server crash panic: spin lock held too long
Hi I have a P4 2.6Mhz running on FreeBSD 5.3. Every few days the server crashes. When it crashes it says: spin lock sleepq chain held by 0xc1eb7640 for 5 seconds panic: spin lock held too long Uptime: 2d3h56m36s Anybody any idea how I can fix this? Thanks! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The FreeBSD Diary: 2005-02-27 - 2005-03-19
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RE: aac support
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tobias Weingartner Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:54 PM To: Sean Hafeez Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: aac support On Saturday, March 19, Sean Hafeez wrote: There has got to be a better way to work with the vendors in order to get the support we need. It just seem to me that the screw you guys, I am going home stuff just does not work. Other approaches have been tried. Extensively, and for a long time. If you know of an approach that works, please demonstrate. At this point, I believe that the community would welcome someone that is going to step up, and have adaptec supply the documentation because they negotiated it out of them. Words here are cheap... but at the current time, they are the only thing we really have left. The voice of the community. The vendors need a business case in order to do things - they are in business to make money and I can agree with that. They have a business case. More than one. 1800+ cards is not a business case? The points I brought up are not a business case? The bad press and such are not a business case? Give me a break. --Toby. I work for one of these vendors. I know the release of documentation on one of the RAID controllers this company shipped for several years was not based on logic, let alone a $ amount. The decision was left to a single manager who waffled back and forth about whether the information should be released. The engineer who was pushing for the docs to be available eventually published them on a web site, indicating his company email address as a point of contact. It was a gutsy, yet arbitrary decision on his part that led to the opening of docs. After the release of the docs, the company started publishing their 'friedliness' to OSS. My experience tells me the only way to get the attention of people in a large company like Adaptec is to take drastic measures. If this means emailing people who can affect change until they are sufficiently annoyed to make a decision one way or another, so be it. It is most likely one of the few methods that will work. There is most likely a single person who will make the decision and it may boil down to whether they are having a good day or not. If their response is 'no', it will be stated that this is due to 'contractual obligations', 'intellectual property', 'on the advice of our lawyers..' or some other rubbish. As a user of OpenBSD, I am glad to see this stance taken (again). The people I admire in life are the people that stand up for their principles and are true to themselves and their beliefs. The people I despise are those that gladly sacrifice their stated beliefs to increase their wealth or comfort. OpenBSD does not support all of the hw I use. This is due to some of the hw being 'closed'. Some of it is not supported because the developers have not had enough interest in writing the driver. I did what I could by providing hw to some of the developers in the hope that it will be supported one day. Some of this hw is made by the company I work for, but it had to be provided out of my pocket because the company is too short sighted to see the benefit of providing hw to the OpenBSD team. They do freely use OpenSSH in a number of products however... It is unpopular these days to speak directly on issues. In my lowly opinion, Theo can be abrasive at times and I do not always agree with him. He seems to be morally and intellectually honest, and this is rare. The operating system he and the rest of the developers have given to us is true to their stated goals and has served me very well. For all of these reasons, I stand behind the OpenBSD team and will add Adaptec to the list of vendors I will not use or recommend (Intel, Broadcom, etc). mark ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Serious issue with SATA disks again
David Kelly writes: Its impossible to _prove_ the software is _not_ at fault just as its impossible to prove the hardware is not at fault. When software works for others but not on your hardware then one can only conclude there is _something_ about your hardware. It doesn't work for others. I found lots of messages complaining about this on various platforms, but no explanations. With seemingly random timeouts such as you are seeing I would suspect the SATA cable. SATA runs gigabits/sec and could be very sensitive. Try a different cable from another source. I don't want suspicions, I want answers. Who generates the message, and exactly what does it mean? I see the string in ata-queue.c, and references in a couple of other modules, but as usual, there are no comments at all, so there's no way to figure out what's going on. Also run the HD manufacturer's test utility. I don't think Western Digital has one (?). If it does, where can I find it? smartctl from ports was also quite useful at reading the error log maintained by the HD firmware. Interesting reading, such as my drive temperature was 35, lifetime max/min was 19/45 (Celsius). I tried running the offline self-test, but it didn't seem to do anything. It means the driver asked the HD to fill a buffer, but it didn't complete the task within alloted time. Either the drive didn't begin, or data was lost and fell short. Or there's a bug in the code. A few years ago one of my then-new machines could not write a floppy in FreeBSD but could in NT4. Tried lots of things, also got the attention of the floppy driver maintainer. A few weeks later got the idea to Reset to Defaults in the BIOS. Then reset the few specific things I needed back the way they were. Magic. There was something undocumented being set by BIOS at boot that didn't bother NT. Or that NT was programmed to handle (i.e., a better driver in NT than in FreeBSD). More recently, in 5.2.1, I had no problems with a parallel ATA drive with Hyperthreading enabled on my P4. No problems running sysinstall to prep the new SATA drives. But the SATA drives locked the kernel solid moments after first use. Disabled HT and all was fine. Something about HT and the new Geom framework used for SATA (but not for PATA, at least then) didn't work. Or something about the way FreeBSD handled this situation contained a bug. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Serious issue with SATA disks again
Erik de Jong writes: FWIW, I had WRITE_DMA time outs as well, on a non-SATA disk of about 3 years old. My instict told me to make that last backup real quick, so that's what I did. The disk crashed about a week or two later. I'm an absolute FreeBSD newbie, but hardware problems transcend OS differences ;-) What made you think it was a hardware problem? I worked in a large software company for a while and found out (much to my own surprise at the time) that it's not always that easy. It's not always a matter of I wrote the code so I know what this message means. Those messages could be anywhere in any piece of code involved at the time of the error. It could be passed on by another piece of code (firmware?). Somebody, somewhere knows what causes this error. Second, code comes in many shapes and forms (and I think this is one area where open and closed source are probably very similar): neat code, sloppy code, quick fixes, things that really shouldn't be there, absolute gems and everything in between. Such as code without any trace of comments, like I see in FreeBSD. The BEST troubleshooting tip not matter what you trying to resolve is: do not rule out anything. Including the operating system. Obviously, I think you have a hardware issue, but that's only my opinion. I'm just writing to share my own experience. Which hardware issue do I have? You're writing that noone knows what these mysterious error messages mean? This could very well be the case right now. Somebody wrote the code. Perhaps the issue hasn't been troubleshot enough yet. It has been around for a least a year, judging by what I've found on the Net. I think that having problems and having difficulty resolving them is far from a FreeBSD problem. Report myserious error messages to any software company and there's always a risk that they won't be easily resolved. That doesn't make it okay for FreeBSD. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what is the difference between WCPU and CPU
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 01:57:32 +0200, Abu Khaled [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:04:10 +0100, Gert Cuykens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was looking at top and wondering the difference between WCPU and CPU Have you tried man top WCPU, when displayed, is the weighted cpu percentage (this is the same value that ps(1) displays as CPU), CPU is the raw percentage and is the field that is sorted to determine the order of the processes. I read the top man but it does not explain what weighted cpu is and raw cpu is. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
qpopper-4.0.5_2 SSL woes
Recently, I've been trying to get SSL support setup on my 5.3 machine's qpopper. I've installed the port with the following options: WITHOUT_APOP=yes WITHOUT_SSL=no WITH_STANDALONE_MODE=no I've generated a SSL certificate file for qpopper's use. It doesn't seem to complain about the certificate. However, when a user attempts to POP, I see this in my trace file: Mar 20 01:25:16.562 2005 [30945] before TLS; tls_support==0 [popper.c:181] Mar 20 01:25:16.562 2005 [30945] Skipped TLS Init [popper.c:205] The client receives -ERR: Bad Login. Any thoughts on this? P.S. What's the best way to run qpopper, stand-alone or from inetd? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adaptec AAC raid support
On Sat, Mar 19, 2005 at 04:29:59PM -0500, Charles Swiger wrote: | 3) by not insisting at all that vendors open things at least a |bit, Scott is not like Bill Paul or others who have opened |up a lot of hardware, but is a lot more like Sam Leffler who |has perpetuated this (and today, FreeBSD has one 802.11g/a |driver -- and it uses binary bits). | | Yes, well, I prefer the former approach myself, but I am not going to | complain that Sam has written a wireless driver using binary firmware | rather than one that is completely open. I appreciate the work he's | done, even if I would like to see a completely open series of wireless | drivers. There's a problem with this approach. Vendors will see the efforts of developers using binary-only stuff. And it sends a message : These guys can use our stuff, they will buy our products, and we do not have to give out documentation. This makes it harder on developers and on users than need be. But since the vendor has seen that what they've done so far (releasing binary-only stuff, eg a linux-only program that can run on your BSD system via linux-emu (but only if you run on i386)) works for us, why should they then supply more information/documentation ? What is in it for them ? It works, doesn't it ? Why give the vendor such a hard time, they did their job, see this-and-that project can work it out, why can't you ? It's just like Windows. You buy hardware, run Windows, but have no idea what's going on. The vendor supplies the driver and all is well. However, we have an open source operating system. We can see the internals of the system, we can go in ourselves and fix bugs. We can take the code and port it to other architectures, port it to other operating systems, do whatever we want. This is what we want to do. We do not want to be tied into software we can not examine ourselves. Otherwise, why run BSD ? Why run Linux ? There's Windows for you, it comes with drivers so you do not have to write the code yourself, so you can not be bothered to read the code, to take it and port it or fix its bugs or adapt it to suit your needs. I decided long ago to use open source software. The longer I use it, the more I value the freedom open source software gives me. I therefore appreciate open sourced drivers. And I appreciate the time it takes the developers of my operating system to ask vendors for documentation, then take that documentation and use it to write those drivers. What value is there in trying to support a vendor that is unwilling to share the documentation the developers need to write drivers ? They don't support us, why should we support them ? It's sad that I spend money on hardware I later find is not supported. And of course, I would like to use this hardware rather sooner than later. But I would prefer that support to be open source. If that's not possible, then I'll just go support another vendor who truly supports open source. I'll toss out the unsupported hardware, tell my friends, family and co-workers not to buy stuff from that company and endorse the vendor that is willing to open up their stuff. This grass roots approach has turned out to be pretty succesful in the OpenBSD world. We now have a whole lot of drivers for wireless cards where we were unable to use most cards a year ago. Vendors have learned that they can make more sales if they open up their documentation so they are happy. The wireless card I bought last year now works, so I am happy. Others can take the code and make it work on their systems (hardware architecture/operating system) so they can be happy. I feel that this is in large parts due to Theo's approach (and the other developers) to this issue, so I thank them for it. At least now I know what RAID controller not to buy. Cheers, Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd PS: that completely open series of wireless drivers you talked about is now available at your local OpenBSD mirror. Feel free to take it and port it to your prefered system. -- [++-]+++.+++[---].+++[+ +++-].++[-]+.--.[-] http://www.weirdnet.nl/ pgpkLjBr1cPsX.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jerry Bell Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 8:15 PM To: Mike Jeays Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD? I'll second that the calendar/email functionality has become a utility service in many organizations. Exchange/outlook, for all their shortcomings, have really changed the way companies work. At my day job, we have 9 exchange servers around the world, with about 1500 mailboxes, so not a huge install, but in the past 5 years, calendaring, email and public folders have become a critical component of the business, and any bit of unavailability isn't tolerated. Now, we are fortunate that we have several really good windows/exchange guys to keep things humming, but it is clear that the business demands of calendaring and email are outstripping the ability of MS to deliver. We, along with many other organizations, are really looking at ways to achieve 99.999% uptime on exchange, but we're realy kidding ourselves. Something like communigate pro, that can be clustered and run on a non-windows OS could move us closer to the mark, but still not really there. The OS' and apps just aren't meant for that type of availability yet. Jerry, I would strongly encourage you to look at the latest Horde framework, which incorporates webmail, calendaring and many other goodies. It also has a plugin to sync to handhelds, although that is not as far along yet. The biggest hurdle of course is moving people off their calendaring in their own private Outlook calendars. The calendaring in Horde is web-based. But, you can easily continue using Outlook for the front end for e-mail. You can use it with pop3 or with IMAP, and you can setup a centralized address book with an LDAP server that Outlook will use quite nicely (as long as you format the LDAP data properly) Horde lends itself to clustering it is very modular. You can setup a group of Horde servers that use a central mysql database (which is where the calendaring and user settings are stored) Or you can use sql servers on each Horde system and use your own replication scheme between them. Horde is also multilingual, and includes support for the Asian languages, extremely good support in fact. Far better than Outlook clients, some versions of which cannot even display Kanji messages as you probably know. I've had a user run it on a Japanese localized verison of Windows and he raved about it. At the ISP I work at I went to Horde/IMP a few years ago to provide a webinterface for the mailserver. I use it in a dual server config, the mailserver is one box and it just runs sendmail and IMAP, the Horde server is a separate box. For grins I installed the calendaring module in it. I was pretty stunned last month when I went to migrate it to the new version and found the sql server stuffed with appointments and such. Apparently most of the users discovered the calendar and decided to use it. This greatly complicates my migration now since I now got to move all their data. :-) Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Jeays Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 4:51 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD? I have to disagree with this! In my organization, a government department with about 6,000 staff, the ability to schedule meetings and book conference rooms has become an essential part of our computing infrastructure. Any attempt to remove these features or reduce their functionality from that provided by Outlook/Exchange would be met with considerable hostility and the permanent sidelining of he/she who proposed it. A definite career-limiting move. It is a major reason why we can't go to a fully open source desktop. You need to look better. While calendaring apps aren't as numerous in the Open Source world, they exist and some have even more functionality that that provided by Exchange. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OpenBSD's pf and traffic
Hello! Does any body know, how can I use OpenBSD's pf (packet filter) for determine total traffic volume on network interface? If it's impossible, what facility you recommend me to do this? -- Sensory yours, Eugene Minkovskii , ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony Atkielski Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 1:16 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD? Tricking-out a UNIX server just to avoid using Exchange may not be a wise course of action for an enterprise. I'd be interested in knowing, point-by-point, exactly how a UNIX solution would provide every feature provided by Exchange. Fine, you list the features you think are key ones and I'll provide it. Exchange has a much better feature set than any UNIX solution, and that is a major selling point. No it doesen't. Exchange has a better feature set than MANY of the UNIX solutions but not all. And keep in mind that the only serious coompetitor in Windows mailserver server software was Netscape and we know what happened to them. Netscape's product was garbage, and it was never a serious competitor. It was garbage but it was a serious competitor, because it was the only company that had the name recognition to build it's product up - if it had been allowed to do it. Exchange in the beginning was garbage also. As I recall Exchange 5.0 couldn't even be configured to disallow promiscious relaying. Not true any longer. The latest Exchange versions have good support for non-Windows systems. Exchange servers have to be Windows servers. There has been support for _clients_ on other platforms for a long time, but Exchange works best in a mostly-Windows environment ... at least if an enterprise wants to use all the Exchange features (which it should, if it's going to pay for Exchange). The Exchange webinterface - which is usable from any operating system that you can run a browser on - provides exactly the same functionality as Outlook client with the Exchange Connector to an Exchange server does. Please explain how a Windows environment provides all the Exchange features to the end user and a non-Windows environment does not. I've never considered a thousand mailboxes to be a large installation. Exchange can handle a hundred times that without too much trouble, given enough hardware. Not at the level that ISP's have mail passing though their servers. When was the last time that some spammer stuffed your exchange servers outbound queue with spam? Please tell the group how you removed the spam messages when you caught the spammer. And letting it purge them by itself is the wrong answer. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony Atkielski Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:29 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD? If the database becomes corrupted, which is highly unlikely, you must restore it from your last backup (every mail administrator takes frequent backups, which can be done online with Exchange). Only if you purchase a backup software. If you want to use windows backup you must shut down exchange because windows backup will not back up open files. Also, a file based backup is pointless because it takes the mail store in one fell swoop, it does not back up (nor allow you to restore) individual mailboxes. This is yet another high-cost item, backup software that is written to use the hooks in exchange to back it up is expensive. By contrast under UNIX, you can use tar to backup the /var/mail directories and you can definitely restore an individual mailbox if you want to. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD?
Ted Mittelstaedt writes: Fine, you list the features you think are key ones and I'll provide it. Why not just buy Exchange? You make the same mistake that so many people with emotional investments in software make: You feel you must look for non-Microsoft solutions _just for the sake of avoiding Microsoft_. But in this case, as in several other cases, the Microsoft solution tends to be the best overall. And if one has no sacred mission to drive Microsoft back into the Pit, there's no reason to look for cobbled UNIX solutions that do the same thing. No it doesen't. Exchange has a better feature set than MANY of the UNIX solutions but not all. Show me the one-stop UNIX solution that meets or beats Exchange. It was garbage but it was a serious competitor, because it was the only company that had the name recognition to build it's product up - if it had been allowed to do it. It didn't actually have a product, though. It bolted together standard SMTP and POP bits and pieces and tried to call it an integrated solution. Exchange was written from scratch specifically to provide an integrated solution. Nobody else was or is going to come up with the same thing without making a similar investment ... and the investment in Exchange was substantial. Exchange in the beginning was garbage also. As I recall Exchange 5.0 couldn't even be configured to disallow promiscious relaying. I used Exchange from the very beginning, and had no problems with it. The Exchange webinterface - which is usable from any operating system that you can run a browser on - provides exactly the same functionality as Outlook client with the Exchange Connector to an Exchange server does. Please explain how a Windows environment provides all the Exchange features to the end user and a non-Windows environment does not. Not all non-Windows environments have equivalent clients. A Web interface doesn't count, any more than connecting a dumb terminal to a mainframe makes the dumb terminal a PC. Not at the level that ISP's have mail passing though their servers. ISPs should not use Exchange. When was the last time that some spammer stuffed your exchange servers outbound queue with spam? I don't run an Exchange server. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony Atkielski Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:37 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD? Jerry Bell writes: I'll second that the calendar/email functionality has become a utility service in many organizations. Exchange/outlook, for all their shortcomings, have really changed the way companies work. They get spoiled. No they don't. Shared calendaring is a requirement once you introduce e-mail to a large organization. E-mail destroys the justification for having a company mailroom and for interoffice mail. As a result companies that go to e-mail end up removing these things and reassigning people that worked in them. Unfortunately this destroys the same system that was used for scheduling use of conference rooms, setting up meetings, etc. I suppose there's no harm in that intrinsically, but it does tend to lock them into proprietary solutions (which isn't necessarily good or bad). No it doesen't. There are open solutions that handle this well. There isn't any solution that will provide that kind of uptime today. Yes there is. Application systems that provide the functionality your users want are not sufficiently evolved or reliable to achieve utility-grade service. And since all of them are the work of companies that have spent most of their existence writing for PCs, I don't expect this goal to be reached any time soon. Nevertheless, Exchange is at the top of the list in this respect. It would be nice to have better, but this is the best available. You need to learn about other solutions. There is a big wide world out there you haven't seen. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OpenBSD's pf and traffic
Eugene M. Minkovskii wrote: Hello! Does any body know, how can I use OpenBSD's pf (packet filter) for determine total traffic volume on network interface? If it's impossible, what facility you recommend me to do this? I don't realy know if it is impossible to use PF for monitoring the total traffic. But you can ( just as I do ) use MRTG ( Multi Router Traffic ) to keep track of the amount of data which you are using. It renders html-documents. By default MRTG only keeps track of the current bandwith-usage with a script which is known as 'mrtg-totals' you can also get graphs of the total amount of traffic. See www.mrtg.org and http://freebsd.munk.nu/archives/157-MRTG-Totals-Perl-Script.html Good Luck Frank Staals ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony Atkielski Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 1:53 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD? Ted Mittelstaedt writes: Fine, you list the features you think are key ones and I'll provide it. Why not just buy Exchange? You said you would be interested in other solutions that provided the same features as Exchange. What is wrong, were you not telling the truth? You make the same mistake that so many people with emotional investments in software make: You feel you must look for non-Microsoft solutions _just for the sake of avoiding Microsoft_. But in this case, as in several other cases, the Microsoft solution tends to be the best overall. And if one has no sacred mission to drive Microsoft back into the Pit, there's no reason to look for cobbled UNIX solutions that do the same thing. I look for non-Microsoft solutions because they are cheaper and faster and do what I need them to do. To me this to me means better. To someone else who, perhaps, shits money out their ass when they go to the crapper, well perhaps they can buy brand new hardware at $30K a pop for a server, and make up for the speed difference with it, and perhaps they don't care about it being cheaper. Maybe you define better as what is better has more features? Others may define better as running more reliably. Still others may define better as being more flexible. No it doesen't. Exchange has a better feature set than MANY of the UNIX solutions but not all. Show me the one-stop UNIX solution that meets or beats Exchange. I already mentioned Horde in another post. And that's just from the open source world. I didn't even look at the commercial UNIX products. It was garbage but it was a serious competitor, because it was the only company that had the name recognition to build it's product up - if it had been allowed to do it. It didn't actually have a product, though. It bolted together standard SMTP and POP bits and pieces and tried to call it an integrated solution. That is what they started with but they did also put in some of their own code. Exchange was written from scratch specifically to provide an integrated solution. Nobody else was or is going to come up with the same thing without making a similar investment ... and the investment in Exchange was substantial. How much was the investment in FreeBSD? And who made it? The Exchange webinterface - which is usable from any operating system that you can run a browser on - provides exactly the same functionality as Outlook client with the Exchange Connector to an Exchange server does. Please explain how a Windows environment provides all the Exchange features to the end user and a non-Windows environment does not. Not all non-Windows environments have equivalent clients. A Web interface doesn't count, any more than connecting a dumb terminal to a mainframe makes the dumb terminal a PC. Why doesen't it count? That's just rediculous. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stupid ASCII loader prompt
On Sat, Mar 19, 2005 at 03:58:53PM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: Not true, based on the heavy response on this issue on the mailing lists every time it comes up. Oh come on. All that noise is from the same eight or ten people, while the thousands just ignore it and hope it will go away. Jerry, just because people don't spam the lists any further, doesn't mean it's not important to them. Behind the scenes, there's a lot of grumbling about this issue both in Unix User Groups and among sysadmins. The recent anti-beastie push (no, not necessarily the logo contest alone, but the complete campaign, even against the loader prompt!) is generating bad karma all over the place, and a lot of people, esp. outside the US, are really bewildered, why this is happening *right now*. It is a bikeshed discussion. I wished it would go away, together with the few anti-beastie campaign(ers). Please leave things as they are. There's no need to paint that bikeshed again; it is just fine. Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD?
Ted Mittelstaedt writes: Only if you purchase a backup software. If you want to use windows backup you must shut down exchange because windows backup will not back up open files. You can back up a running Exchange server with the standard software provided with Exchange and Windows. Some third-party products also provide special backup capability for Exchange, but you don't have to buy any third-party product to back up a running server. If you use a third-party product to back up the system and it doesn't have special Exchange capability, you must either stop the Exchange server during the backup or exclude the Exchange databases from the backup. No surprise here. Also, a file based backup is pointless because it takes the mail store in one fell swoop, it does not back up (nor allow you to restore) individual mailboxes. You don't lose individual mailboxes in Exchange, so they don't have to be restored (unless you delete them accidentally, which good administrators do not do). Nevertheless, you can restore individual mailboxes if you have deletion retention configured and you're still within the retention time. This was not a feature of the original release of Exchange, but it exists now. I think it's a bad idea, but it was developed in response to customer demand. This is yet another high-cost item, backup software that is written to use the hooks in exchange to back it up is expensive. Life is tough. By contrast under UNIX, you can use tar to backup the /var/mail directories and you can definitely restore an individual mailbox if you want to. You can do that with Exchange, too. However, I normally advise mail administrators that they have to train their users to understand that deleted e-mail is gone. In fact, I suggest that they not even tell users that e-mail is recoverable, unless they want to spend every waking hour restoring mailboxes. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD?
Ted Mittelstaedt writes: No they don't. Shared calendaring is a requirement once you introduce e-mail to a large organization. Most e-mail systems don't provide it. Organizations got along without it before, so they don't actually need it. However, once they have it, they like it, and they don't want to do without it. E-mail destroys the justification for having a company mailroom and for interoffice mail. As a result companies that go to e-mail end up removing these things and reassigning people that worked in them. Unfortunately this destroys the same system that was used for scheduling use of conference rooms, setting up meetings, etc. They can just send e-mail instead of paper mail. That doesn't require any special software capability beyond basic e-mail. No it doesen't. There are open solutions that handle this well. Exchange handles it better, and it's one-stop shopping. Yes there is. What's the name of the product? You need to learn about other solutions. There is a big wide world out there you haven't seen. Name the product. I did this for a living, and I heard and invalidated arguments like yours all the time. There are always a few people with a frothing hatred for Microsoft who feel compelled to do everything some other way--any other way--as long as it avoids Microsoft, no matter how much time and complexity and difficulty it might involve. Fortunately, managers outside IT rarely have this obsession and will simply buy whatever does the job most effectively, and usually that is Exchange. They can be influenced by salespeople to a certain extent, but when they are given objective data they tend to make objective decisions. You haven't given any compelling reason _not_ to use Exchange. The fact that it comes from Microsoft doesn't count. For large organizations with complex e-mail architectures, Exchange is the clear leader. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD?
Ted Mittelstaedt writes: You said you would be interested in other solutions that provided the same features as Exchange. What is wrong, were you not telling the truth? I am telling the truth. But another solution that provides the same features as Exchange will have ALL of them, and so it isn't necessary for me to list the features I think are key. The alternate solution has to have all the features of Exchange, period. I look for non-Microsoft solutions because they are cheaper and faster and do what I need them to do. Except that that's not unconditionally true. Some Microsoft solutions are cheaper and faster than non-Microsoft solutions. And there are other considerations besides price and speed, and in some cases Microsoft solutions are better even if they cost more or aren't quite as performant. I look for solutions, period. I don't care whether they come from Microsoft or not. To me this to me means better. Unfortunately, it doesn't mean that to everyone else. To someone else who, perhaps, shits money out their ass when they go to the crapper, well perhaps they can buy brand new hardware at $30K a pop for a server, and make up for the speed difference with it, and perhaps they don't care about it being cheaper. Exactly. A lot of companies do that ... in part because it is often cheaper overall. Maybe you define better as what is better has more features? I define better as whatever matches the client's requirements. Others may define better as running more reliably. Still others may define better as being more flexible. There are many criteria for better. I already mentioned Horde in another post. It does everything Exchange does, and installs in ten minutes from a single set of CDs? I don't think so. In fact, it doesn't even come remotely close to that. And that's just from the open source world. I didn't even look at the commercial UNIX products. They aren't any better. That is what they started with but they did also put in some of their own code. Yes, mostly copyright notices. The rest was a hodgepodge of whatever garbage they could scrape up. They had neither the time nor the money to build a real messaging system of their own, and they depended on marketing to hide that fact (for example, standards-based was their euphemism for we patched together public-domain code). Unfortunately for them, they couldn't hide it well enough. How much was the investment in FreeBSD? And who made it? I don't know, but I'm pretty certain that it pales to insignificance in comparison to that expended on Exchange. You might be surprised at how much Exchange cost to develop. Why doesen't it count? I just told you why. In a Web interface, all the software is on the server. The fact that it can be accessed by many dumb client machines does not equate to running custom client software on those machines. Web interfaces, as a general rule, are slow, messy pieces of junk that one uses only as a last resort, when one has no client software instead. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Managing virtual e-mails
Hello. I am running the Postfix+Courier on MySQL setup found on: http://www.high5.net/howto I am wondering how to add and delete users, as well as adding and deleting aliases -- and managing my virtual e-mail database in general -- using a pure, clean and efficient approach, rather than having to use Postfixadmin, which I find to be sort of unprofessional and bloated with bad design. For instance, I managed to avoid using the PHPMyAdmin, and instead got all my setup recorded in clean text: USE mysql; CREATE DATABASE gtg_mail; GRANT USAGE ON gtg_mail.* TO [EMAIL PROTECTED] IDENTIFIED BY 'gatNanav'; GRANT CREATE, SELECT, INSERT, DELETE, UPDATE ON gtg_mail.* TO [EMAIL PROTECTED]; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; USE gtg_mail; CREATE TABLE admin ( username varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', password varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', created datetime NOT NULL default '-00-00 00:00:00', modified datetime NOT NULL default '-00-00 00:00:00', active tinyint(1) NOT NULL default '1', PRIMARY KEY (username), KEY username (username) ) TYPE=MyISAM COMMENT='Postfix: virtual admins'; USE gtg_mail; CREATE TABLE alias ( address varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', goto text NOT NULL, domain varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', created datetime NOT NULL default '-00-00 00:00:00', modified datetime NOT NULL default '-00-00 00:00:00', active tinyint(1) NOT NULL default '1', PRIMARY KEY (address), KEY address (address) ) TYPE=MyISAM COMMENT='Postfix: virtual aliases'; USE gtg_mail; CREATE TABLE domain ( domain varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', description varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', aliases int(10) NOT NULL default '0', mailboxes int(10) NOT NULL default '0', maxquota int(10) NOT NULL default '0', transport varchar(255) default NULL, backupmx tinyint(1) NOT NULL default '0', created datetime NOT NULL default '-00-00 00:00:00', modified datetime NOT NULL default '-00-00 00:00:00', active tinyint(1) NOT NULL default '1', PRIMARY KEY (domain), KEY domain (domain) ) TYPE=MyISAM COMMENT='Postfix: virtual domains'; USE gtg_mail; CREATE TABLE domain_admins ( username varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', domain varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', created datetime NOT NULL default '-00-00 00:00:00', active tinyint(1) NOT NULL default '1', KEY username (username) ) TYPE=MyISAM COMMENT='Postfix: virtual domain admins'; USE gtg_mail; CREATE TABLE mailbox ( username varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', password varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', name varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', maildir varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', quota int(10) NOT NULL default '0', domain varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', created datetime NOT NULL default '-00-00 00:00:00', modified datetime NOT NULL default '-00-00 00:00:00', active tinyint(1) NOT NULL default '1', PRIMARY KEY (username), KEY username (username) ) TYPE=MyISAM COMMENT='Postfix: virtual mailboxes'; USE gtg_mail; CREATE TABLE vacation ( email varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', subject varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', body text NOT NULL, cache text NOT NULL, domain varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', created datetime NOT NULL default '-00-00 00:00:00', active tinyint(1) NOT NULL default '1', PRIMARY KEY (email), KEY email (email) ) TYPE=MyISAM COMMENT='Postfix: virtual vacation'; USE gtg_mail; CREATE TABLE log ( timestamp datetime NOT NULL default '-00-00 00:00:00', username varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', domain varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', action varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', data varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', KEY timestamp (timestamp) ) TYPE=MyISAM COMMENT='Postfix: log'; -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Having problems booting when attempting to mounting /dev from another filesystem on 4.11-REL
Guys/Gals, One of my embedded machines died a while back after several years of service (enough to erase my memory.). I am trying to rebuild the flash file system on the machine, and ran into a snag. I'm attempting to manually install 4.11-REL on this system, as it is a rather old device with little RAM (32MB), and a troublesome ACPI system. (By manually, I mean I'm creating/copying file systems from a host drive running 4.11 rather than use the installer) The flash memory is only 32MB, so I have to fairly particular about what I put on it. Right now, I just have the kernel, /bin, /sbin, /etc, /boot, and place holders for /usr. I symlink in /modules, /root, /home, /var, /tmp, etc from /usr (which is an IBM micro drive). I mount /dev from another slice on the flash memory. The rule is, anything that doesn't need to be written, or is required for boot, is placed on a read-only flash slice, /dev (which doesn't actually harm the flash, but must be mounted read-write, is mounted from a separate slice on the flash, and everything else is mounted on /usr. The problem I'm seeing is that the kernel boots to mounting root from ad0s1a and then it hangs. I suspect that is because I don't have the right /dev entries on the primary slice's /dev. The question is what are the minimal set of /dev devices required to boot sufficiently to the point where it can attempt to mount the rest of the file systems? I know this can be done, because the original install did it this way (though it took quite a bit of hacking to get it to work right) I just lost half the secret sauce formula. The other half was remembering to create a 1MB slice, and using newfs -b 4096 -i 128 on the /dev file system so there are enough inodes. Thanks, Seth Henry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD?
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Ted Mittelstaedt writes: Fine, you list the features you think are key ones and I'll provide it. Why not just buy Exchange? You make the same mistake that so many people with emotional investments in software make: You feel you must look for non-Microsoft solutions _just for the sake of avoiding Microsoft_. But in this case, as in several other cases, the Microsoft solution tends to be the best overall. And if one has no sacred mission to drive Microsoft back into the Pit, there's no reason to look for cobbled UNIX solutions that do the same thing. And you failed to answer his question. Why not stop trying to avoid it by answering it. List the features. I am interested in Ted's list of items to replicate them in UNIX. =) As for looking for non microsoft solutions, yes. There is a point to that. It's called voting with your pocketbook, and its a valid course of action in a capitalist society. Choosing to go outside a monopoly is a right. And yes, looking for non MS solutions, for the sake of it, is a valid choice. It's the only way some things get better. If for instance, I go with a product of MS, as opposed to a smaller OSS project, the OSS Project typically *cares* about the feedback I give it. It cares about the features I want and need. I need a credit card before MS will talk to me. The Exchange solution might be best for a gold partner with M$, but overall, a very poor solution, which locks you into a feature set, and a company that has shown little concern for its base of customers. In regards to its use of JET, Jet2003 cannot handle any other process running against its datastore, because it dosent have the ability to cache and then commit like a REAL RDBMS. This is a problem for things such as virus scanning, and tight integration with an AD Environment, which is getting more and more replication based. In fact, some types of virus scanning can introduce data corruption of the store, which could lead to other issues. There are several papers on this, including some in Bugtraq. On this very issue. What's more, the virus scanners that do run against Exchange's DB, also cost money, and typically require some more hardware. And overhead. So now I am running exchange, and a bevy of other stuff to prop it up. The whole point of UNIX, and Open Source is a number of people, getting together and saying...It shouldnt have to be that hard MS has had YEARS to put a SQL backend onto Exchange, yet have not. With its history, and its track record, and indeed, with even most recommending a dry SMTP server outside of the regular exchange server, exchange is hardly a worthwhile solution. With the number of machines you need to run Exchange properly, (basically, 2-3) with freeBSD, I can do *alot* more. FYI, while I do need to run a tight AD environment where I work, I *still* dont do exchange. I use MDaemon (a real mailserver, not piled on with crap) and WorkGroup Share, coupled with the MDaemon Groupware function. Not quite the same featureset as Exchange, but, I am supporting developers who *care* about what I want. I get contact, scheduling, etc. I am voting with my pocketbook, and, its highly arrogant of you to sit there and thinly accuse people of not doing right by their situation by not choosing M$ because they dont want to use MS. Not wanting to use MS is a perfectly valid course of action, and its rather lame of you to suggest otherwise. this is freebsd-questions@ not [EMAIL PROTECTED] No it doesen't. Exchange has a better feature set than MANY of the UNIX solutions but not all. Show me the one-stop UNIX solution that meets or beats Exchange. There probably isint a one stop shop. However, there dosent need to be. In fact, there is something to be said for multiple services offering features. Exchange is bloated. Alot of its problems come from this bloat. Id rather have 5 different standards compliant services (LDAP based) talking to one another, maybe with a text db, or sql backend, than one huge asinine monstrosity, with a crappy and outdated DB backend, running mission critical for me. Exchange was written from scratch specifically to provide an integrated solution. Nobody else was or is going to come up with the same thing without making a similar investment ... and the investment in Exchange was substantial. Bullshit. Exchange is the perfect example of microsofts policy of embrace and extend. That fact is bolstered by you sitting here, and justifying their policy as valid. Id rather have world wide standards, not the standards (or features that MS feels are standards) Microsoft feels I need, or that I should have to pay for. Exchange in the beginning was garbage also. As I recall Exchange 5.0 couldn't even be configured to disallow promiscious relaying. I used Exchange from the very beginning, and had no problems with it. Funny, then you are one of 5 people I know of, who claim to have no
gpg encryption in mutt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hello i am trying to set up decent gpg encryption in mutt, so that my e-mails will look more professional. (like this hushmail one) what i'm doing so far is signing my messages, but mutt-devel gives them stupid filenames (like 2.dat etc.) which doesn't give much of an impression. i'm thinking i oughta just include some key thing in my .signature file but i'm not sure what. i'm searching people who has been in the same situation as me and who would like to help their brothers in need :) here is my setup, .muttrc: source ~/.gpgrc set pgp_replysign set pgp_replyencrypt set pgp_verify_sig=yes set pgp_sign_as=AEC8576C set pgp_strict_enc unset pgp_autosign unset pgp_autoencrypt and here is .gpgrc: set pgp_decode_command=/usr/local/bin/gpg %?p?--passphrase-fd 0? -- no-verbose --quiet --batch --output - %f set pgp_verify_command=/usr/local/bin/gpg --no-verbose --quiet -- batch --output - --verify %s %f set pgp_decrypt_command=/usr/local/bin/gpg --passphrase-fd 0 --no- verbose --quiet --batch --output - %f set pgp_sign_command=/usr/local/bin/gpg --no-verbose --batch -- quiet --output - --passphrase-fd 0 --armor --detach-sign --textmode %?a? - -u %a? %f set pgp_clearsign_command=/usr/local/bin/gpg --no-verbose --batch - - -quiet --output - --passphrase-fd 0 --armor --textmode --clearsign % ?a?-u %a? %f set pgp_encrypt_only_command=pgpewrap /usr/local/bin/gpg --batch -- quiet --no-verbose --output - --encrypt --textmode --armor --always- trust -- -r %r -- %f set pgp_encrypt_sign_command=pgpewrap /usr/local/bin/gpg -- passphrase-fd 0 --batch --quiet --no-verbose --textmode --output - - - -encrypt --sign %?a?-u %a? --armor --always-trust -- -r %r -- %f set pgp_import_command=/usr/local/bin/gpg --no-verbose --import -v %f set pgp_export_command=/usr/local/bin/gpg --no-verbose --export -- armor %r set pgp_verify_key_command=/usr/local/bin/gpg --verbose --batch -- fingerprint --check-sigs %r set pgp_list_pubring_command=/usr/local/bin/gpg --no-verbose -- batch --quiet --with-colons --list-keys %r set pgp_list_secring_command=/usr/local/bin/gpg --no-verbose -- batch --quiet --with-colons --list-secret-keys %r set pgp_good_sign=`gettext -d gnupg -s 'Good signature from ' | tr -d ''` what am i missing? - -- thanks @ awad -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Version: Hush 2.4 wkYEARECAAYFAkI9eAwACgkQgrhgoMygEH4YUgCePBILSM8rc/aTZEdTlMn8KK5Sq50A nAyEO7MpkcmhmaoNoYaHwIvoIGUq =cXFU -END PGP SIGNATURE- Concerned about your privacy? Follow this link to get secure FREE email: http://www.hushmail.com/?l=2 Free, ultra-private instant messaging with Hush Messenger http://www.hushmail.com/services-messenger?l=434 Promote security and make money with the Hushmail Affiliate Program: http://www.hushmail.com/about-affiliate?l=427 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mutt sendmail configuration problems
I'm trying to set up sendmail to route outgoing mail to an external SMTP server. I need this for Mutt, which doesn't have its own means of transfering mail and relies on whatever MTA the system provides. I found out about sendmail's SMARTHOST capability and added this line to my host.mc configuration file (built by 'cd /etc/mail make make install'): define(`SMART_HOST', `smtp.liu.se') I then installed the changes with 'make make install make restart'. Now, whenever I try to send mail from Mutt, I get back the following failure notice: Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:33:21 +0100 (CET) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem MAILER-DAEMON To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) [-- Bilaga #1 --] [-- Typ: text/plain, Kodning: 7bit, Storlek: 0,5K --] The original message was received at Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:33:20 +0100 (CET) from localhost [127.0.0.1] - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - [EMAIL PROTECTED] (reason: 504 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sender address rejected: need fully-qualified address) - Transcript of session follows - ... while talking to smtp.liu.se.: DATA 504 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sender address rejected: need fully-qualified address 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable 554 Error: no valid recipients [-- Bilaga #2 --] [-- Typ: message/delivery-status, Kodning: 7bit, Storlek: 0,4K --] Reporting-MTA: dns; obygden Received-From-MTA: DNS; localhost Arrival-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:33:20 +0100 (CET) Final-Recipient: RFC822; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 5.5.4 Remote-MTA: DNS; smtp.liu.se Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 504 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sender address rejected: need +fully-qualified address Last-Attempt-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:33:21 +0100 (CET) [-- Bilaga #3 --] [-- Typ: message/rfc822, Kodning: 7bit, Storlek: 0,7K --] Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:33:20 +0100 From: Ulf Magnusson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: test User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i test any ideas? Please be aware that I'm totally new to sendmail when replying :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD?
Anthony Atkielski wrote: Ted Mittelstaedt writes: Fine, you list the features you think are key ones and I'll provide it. Why not just buy Exchange? You make the same mistake that so many people with emotional investments in software make: You feel you must look for non-Microsoft solutions _just for the sake of avoiding Microsoft_. But in this case, as in several other cases, the Microsoft solution tends to be the best overall. And if one has no sacred mission to drive Microsoft back into the Pit, there's no reason to look for cobbled UNIX solutions that do the same thing. No it doesen't. Exchange has a better feature set than MANY of the UNIX solutions but not all. Show me the one-stop UNIX solution that meets or beats Exchange. Have a look here: eGroupWare (at egroupware.org) OpenGroupware.org (at opengroupware.org) Open Source Exchange Replacement (at oser.sourceforge.net) OPEN-XCHANGE (at open-xchange.org) PHPGroupware (at phpgroupware.org) -- Best regards, Chris Everything may be divided into as many parts as you please. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD?
Count me in on the group that doesn't think that a web-based system is adequate for the enterprise, but in the realm of web-based groupware systems, I have taken a strong liking to group office. I've not used all of these below, but I've been most impressed with group office's interface and features. http://sourceforge.net/projects/group-office/ Jerry http://www.syslog.org Have a look here: eGroupWare (at egroupware.org) OpenGroupware.org (at opengroupware.org) Open Source Exchange Replacement (at oser.sourceforge.net) OPEN-XCHANGE (at open-xchange.org) PHPGroupware (at phpgroupware.org) -- Best regards, Chris Everything may be divided into as many parts as you please. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD?
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Anthony Atkielski wrote: No it doesen't. There are open solutions that handle this well. Exchange handles it better, and it's one-stop shopping. And, one stop shopping is not always the best course of action. In fact, it's extremely limiting in alot of ways. Another thing, Exchange may have it all as you say, but I say: the more you overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the sink. Exchange's many issues come from its bloated nature. I said it before, Ill say it again: I'll take 4 or 5 different OSS services, that do the same job as Exchange any day. I guarantee they will be more scalable, cheaper TCO, and the developers will be far more receptive to my feedback than MS ever will be. I did this for a living, and I heard and invalidated arguments like yours all the time. There are always a few people with a frothing hatred for Microsoft who feel compelled to do everything some other way--any other way--as long as it avoids Microsoft, no matter how much time and complexity and difficulty it might involve. And, the folks who buy into MS's embrace and extend are a dime a dozen. If you want to evangelize exchange, id suggest you find a list for exchange. The original post in this thread, was about emulating an environment in which to run exchange. that's been answered, you on the other hand, seem to me to be border line trolling. What's more, even if your assesment of Exchange (that its the best) is correct, how can there ever be anything better, if people dont move to other products with potential? If people do not support other methods of solving the problem. It's your attitude that perpetuates embrace and extend. It's your attitude that promotes the continuation of the monopoly. And, when someone disagrees with you for not wanting to give MS money, you invalidate them. Which is just another term for idiotize in your eyes, I think. Fortunately, managers outside IT rarely have this obsession and will simply buy whatever does the job most effectively, and usually that is Exchange. They can be influenced by salespeople to a certain extent, but when they are given objective data they tend to make objective decisions. No, unfortunately, people outside IT, who have zero technical understanding of the pandora's box they open, are making these choices. You haven't given any compelling reason _not_ to use Exchange. The fact that it comes from Microsoft doesn't count. For large organizations with complex e-mail architectures, Exchange is the clear leader. The fact that Ted keeps asking you questions, that you sidestep, ignore, and have yet to answer, is the reason. You should just drop your trolling, unless you are willing to answer the questions posed to you. Everyone answers your question, why cant you reciprocate? Oh, and one stop shopping is not an answer either. Its a blankey generaliztion. Its what we refer to in the real world as a cop out. -- Duo Although the Buddhists will tell you that desire is the root of suffering, my personal experience leads me to point the finger at system administration. --Philip Greenspun ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kern.maxpipekva exceeded, please see tuning(7)
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:17:33 -0500, John DeStefano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jason Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 02:00:48 + Subject: Re: kern.maxpipekva exceeded, please see tuning(7) On 03/13/05 15:44:32, John DeStefano wrote: I have seen a mention or two of this error on the lists before, including this link to the current list I pulled up from Google: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2004-January/019150.html In my case, the errors began after my exploratory two-year-old found the shiny 'reset' button and could not resist its powers. I'm also getting HDD error messages on boot, 'fsck -y' shows all the file systems as read-only and returns errors on one of them, and I can no longer SSH into my system (due to, I assume, too many open file handles), or even get a command in on my console without an error popping in.. The solution does not seem clear cut to me, and it seems the error message itself does not provide valid (or, at least, sufficient) information. Could someone please help, or point me in the right direction? Thanks, as always, John ___ FreeBSD is very robust with power failures, but that was a reset button. Do you have acpi on? When I hit my power button every once in a while my system shuts down properly. Try booting into single user mode and do a manual mount and fsck. And just to help you out: $ sysctl -ad | grep pipekva kern.ipc.maxpipekva: Pipe KVA limit kern.ipc.pipekva: Pipe KVA usage $ sysctl -a | grep pipekva kern.ipc.maxpipekva: 8634368 kern.ipc.pipekva: 344064 Thanks to Jason's instructions, I was able to boot into -s mode, manually mount and fsck the slices, and add the two kernel paramenters to /boot/loader.conf, using his maxpipekva and pipekva parameters and values ver batim; and this seemed to get me back up and running. Howver, whenever I now try to perform any intensive operations, such as cvsup or makeworld, the errors come right back and do not desist unless I reboot the machine. Is there a recommended value for these parameters if I've got a total of 340MB RAM, or another way of solving this problem? Thank you, ~John Hi again folks, In addition to the above, cron is now dumping signal 11 cores on me every two minutes. I had one suggestion to check the value of openfiles in /etc/login.conf, but that's already set to unlimited. Any and all ideas would be appreciated. Thanks. ~John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adaptec AAC raid support
On Mar 20, 2005, at 2:24 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: [ ... ] In that case Dell is a customer of Adaptec, not the other way around, so any NDA that Dell might require for Adaptec to sign would not have restricted Adaptec's use of it's own programming documentation. And you know this, because...? You've read that NDA and you know just what it says and what it covers? Prove it! You've failed to address the point. Do you claim that Adaptec is in a position to ignore an NDA they have with a company like Intel or Dell? The point is they obviously don't have an NDA with Intel since the programming docs for the i860 are open already. (at least the don't have an NDA that covers this aspect of their relationship, which is all we care about) Have you read the NDA between Adaptec and Intel? If not, how do you know just what it does or does not cover? Once again, you're making claims of fact about a document that you've probably never seen. I think you are making wild assertions and have not even a shred of evidence to justify them. As for your comments about my ethics, we can resume that discussion after you provide some evidence to show that your words are based in fact rather than empty claims made up on the spot to suit your argument. If you cannot or will not provide proof, Ted, attacking the credibility of others is rank hypocrisy. -- -Chuck PS: While I haven't seen Adaptec's NDA agreements, I'd bet a stack of nickels they exist and limit the information Adaptec is able to make public. You and others have asked why Adaptec isn't free to give you all of their internal documentation, and you've gotten an answer. If you don't like it or if you refuse to understand the circumstances, that's your problem, not mine. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what is the difference between WCPU and CPU
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:10:57 +0100, Gert Cuykens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 01:57:32 +0200, Abu Khaled [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:04:10 +0100, Gert Cuykens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was looking at top and wondering the difference between WCPU and CPU Have you tried man top WCPU, when displayed, is the weighted cpu percentage (this is the same value that ps(1) displays as CPU), CPU is the raw percentage and is the field that is sorted to determine the order of the processes. I read the top man but it does not explain what weighted cpu is and raw cpu is. hmmm... http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=57634 I am not sure if this information helps or not. I was a little bit confused after reading it. -- Kind regards Abu Khaled ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD?
Jerry Bell wrote: Count me in on the group that doesn't think that a web-based system is adequate for the enterprise, but in the realm of web-based groupware systems, I have taken a strong liking to group office. I've not used all of these below, but I've been most impressed with group office's interface and features. http://sourceforge.net/projects/group-office/ Jerry http://www.syslog.org That's a nice one - So allow me to jump ahead of Anthony, while many of these products are in the infant stages, and others are developed very well - they may not do EXACTLY what Exchange does. Then again, for the overall cost of these alternative products, there is lots to offer, and the future looks very bright indeed for these Open Source alternatives. The biggest thing that MS needs to consider (or even worry about) is while companies consider the overall cost of the commercial products, they can consider the cost of the Open Source products as viable candidates. Once you factor in the savings of the app, the cost to train the staff, and the hours lost - it well may come out the same as the cost of using Exchange... With only one major factor to consider. What's the cost of maintenance? How much does it cost to upgrade your Exchange Server? Consider all the aspects involved with that, IE: Windows2000 has an initial end of support date of June 2005. So, if that date holds true, you need to upgrade the OS Exchange runs on, and if you run Exchange2000, what's the life of that, being that Exchange2003 is out. On the other hand, with OS, it's a minimal fee for the OS (if you pay for it) and the same with the OS Exchange alternatives. While I like Exchange, I do see the alternatives making very strong advances and arguments to be used. Have a look here: eGroupWare (at egroupware.org) OpenGroupware.org (at opengroupware.org) Open Source Exchange Replacement (at oser.sourceforge.net) OPEN-XCHANGE (at open-xchange.org) PHPGroupware (at phpgroupware.org) -- Best regards, Chris -- Best regards, Chris A little ignorance can go a long way. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
xfce4 networking
Hello all, ### ## Synopsis: ### I just installed FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE doing the prepackaged User+X11 option, I updated everything (minus the RELEASE Security updates) with portupgrade, and then I installed xfce4 (cd /usr/ports/x11-wm/xfce4 ; make install clean). When I run xfce4 with the startxfce4 command, it displays an error message (in X11, not on the terminal) that says, Could not look up internet address for iqast.hsd1.ga.comcast.net., This will prevent Xfce from operating correctly. It may be possible to correct the problem by adding iqast.hsd1.ga.comcast.net. to the file /etc/hosts on your system. [ Continue anyway ] [Try again] If I hit [Try again], it keeps repeating the message and when I hit [Continue Anyway], it ends up killing X11 sending me back to my terminal. X11 (X.org 6.8.2) is configured and works properly with the wonderful Twm window manager. The internet works, at least enough that I was running links in another virtual terminal searching for answers to my problem and that it was able to update the system downloading programs. ### ## Additional Information: ### uname -a gives (note that I am typing it as I see it, so if there are a few space mistakes, please forgive (I cannot login to my email acct. via links))... FreeBSD iqast.hsd1.ga.comcast.net. 5.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE #0: Fri Nov 5 04:19:18 UTC 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 I am running an Intel Pentium III 450 MHz // nvidia RIVA TNT w/ 8MB RAM. I go through Comcast for high speed internet and the line of sight from Comcast to me is, Comcast -- Cable Modem -- Netgear Wifi Router -- Computer. During installation, it asked me if I wanted to configure my network settings, so I did. It asked for the computer name so I typed in iqast and it filled in the rest automatically (including the odd . after the net, i.e. iqast.hsd1.ga.comcast.net. ). ### ## What I have done. ### I took the error messages advice and started playing with /etc/hosts on one virtual terminal (making changes as root) whilst seeing if the changes would work on another one (I would run startxfce4 as my normal user account, not my root account). I have tried a plethora of configurations and they will either produce the same result or bypass the error and just kill X11 in place of the error. This is my first time using/installing FreeBSD, so I am definitely in the newbie bunch. I searched Google, the FreeBSD FAQ, Documentation (where I did find some info on /etc/hosts, but not enough to help me fix my problem), Xfce.org, and the mailing list archives. If I have missed something, I do apologize. If this message is meant for a different mailing list, I do apologize for that as well; if this is the case, could you point me in the direction I am to ask? Anyways, thank you for your assistance in this matter and for reading this overlong email. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Anthony Agelastos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adaptec AAC raid support
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:41:33 -0500, Charles Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 20, 2005, at 2:24 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: [ ... ] In that case Dell is a customer of Adaptec, not the other way around, so any NDA that Dell might require for Adaptec to sign would not have restricted Adaptec's use of it's own programming documentation. And you know this, because...? You've read that NDA and you know just what it says and what it covers? Prove it! You've failed to address the point. Do you claim that Adaptec is in a position to ignore an NDA they have with a company like Intel or Dell? The point is they obviously don't have an NDA with Intel since the programming docs for the i860 are open already. (at least the don't have an NDA that covers this aspect of their relationship, which is all we care about) Have you read the NDA between Adaptec and Intel? If not, how do you know just what it does or does not cover? Once again, you're making claims of fact about a document that you've probably never seen. I think you are making wild assertions and have not even a shred of evidence to justify them. Speaking of wild assertions with no evidence, why exactly do you keep making up rediculous excuses for a company that hates you? Why do you think that adaptec is special and had to sign NDAs with intel and dell(?!) to make the same products with the same chips that other vendors clearly didn't have to sign NDAs to make? If you understood the subject at hand, you would realize how rediculous your fairy tales are. There is absolutely no reason that adaptec cannot release documentation for their hardware. Nobody even needs to know how the intel chip works, just how to speak to the adaptec firmware. Adaptec doesn't want you to buy their hardware, and your reaction is to try to justify that stupidity for them, since they can't do it? If you like being shit on that's up to you, but don't tell us that we should like it too, or try to justify why adaptec thinks its customers are toilets. Adam ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Solved problem with hylafax: How to help other users now
Dear Friends, I had the problem reported in the message below with hylafax installation compiled from scratch from the standard ports of rel.5.3. I solved the problem asking around to many mailing lists and found the solution which - in this case - was as simple as: chmod a+rx -R /var/spool Now hylafax works! BUT ... if another user compiles hylafax from the ports chances are it will come across the same problems. How can I help avoiding this? Is there a bug reporting mailing list or should I write to the mantainer of the program (maho 'at' freebsd 'dot' org) to indicate my solution? Furthermore, not being an expert my solution could introduce some security hole in the system; who's going to check it? Ciao Vittorio -- Messaggio inoltrato -- Subject: Problems with /var/spool/hylafax Date: 12:57, mercoledì 16 marzo 2005 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FreeBSD freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Under FBSD 5.3 I've just compiled hylafax from the ports, set up the modem with faxsetup and then started /usr/local/etc/rc.d/hylafax.sh.sample start ... BUT.. /var/log/messages complains that: VicBSD FaxQueuer[668]: /var/spool/hylafax: Can not change directory VicBSD HylaFAX[669]: Can not change directory to /var/spool/hylafax VicBSD FaxQueuer[739]: /var/spool/hylafax: Can not change directory VicBSD HylaFAX[740]: Can not change directory to /var/spool/hylafax What's the matter with it and what shall I do? Here it is a ls -al /var/spool/hylafax total 40 drwxr-xr-x 17 uucpdialer 512 Mar 16 09:07 . drwx-- 9 daemon daemon 512 Mar 15 21:43 .. -r--r--r-- 1 rootdialer 5426 Mar 15 21:43 COPYRIGHT prw--- 1 uucpdialer 0 Mar 15 21:43 FIFO prw--- 1 uucpdialer 0 Mar 16 09:07 FIFO.cuaa0 drwx-- 2 uucpdialer 512 Mar 15 21:43 archive drwxr-xr-x 2 uucpdialer 512 Mar 16 09:05 bin drwxr-xr-x 2 uucpdialer 512 Mar 15 21:43 client drwxr-xr-x 2 uucpdialer 1536 Mar 15 21:43 config drwxr-xr-x 2 uucpdialer 512 Mar 15 21:43 dev drwx-- 2 uucpdialer 512 Mar 15 21:43 docq drwx-- 2 uucpdialer 512 Mar 15 21:43 doneq drwxr-xr-x 2 uucpdialer 512 Mar 16 09:07 etc drwxr-xr-x 2 uucpdialer 512 Mar 15 21:43 info drwxr-xr-x 2 uucpdialer 512 Mar 15 21:43 log drwx-- 2 uucpdialer 512 Mar 15 21:43 pollq drwxr-xr-x 2 uucpdialer 512 Mar 15 21:43 recvq drwx-- 2 uucpdialer 512 Mar 15 21:43 sendq drwxr-xr-x 2 uucpdialer 512 Mar 16 09:01 status drwx-- 2 uucpdialer 512 Mar 15 21:43 tmp Ciao Vittorio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what is the difference between WCPU and CPU
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:09:18 +0200, Abu Khaled [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:10:57 +0100, Gert Cuykens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 01:57:32 +0200, Abu Khaled [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:04:10 +0100, Gert Cuykens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was looking at top and wondering the difference between WCPU and CPU Have you tried man top WCPU, when displayed, is the weighted cpu percentage (this is the same value that ps(1) displays as CPU), CPU is the raw percentage and is the field that is sorted to determine the order of the processes. I read the top man but it does not explain what weighted cpu is and raw cpu is. http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=57634 i like the last sentence, nice and simpel. why couldnt they call it ECPU estimated cpu time? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OpenBSD's pf and traffic
Eugene M. Minkovskii pe v ne 20. 03. 2005 v 12:31 +0300:
Hello!
Does any body know, how can I use OpenBSD's pf (packet filter) for
determine total traffic volume on network interface? If it's
impossible, what facility you recommend me to do this?
I don't know much about pf, but I use ipfw and /usr/ports/sysutils/ipa
for the purpose. Works very well for me. IPFW itself has counters but
ipa makes the stats persist across reboots and changes to the ruleset.
Be carefull not to reconfigure ipfw from under running ipa - it will
think the counters overflowed and add huge numbers to the last known
value. Additionally ipa can do much more than just simple counters.
I configure it like this:
ipfw:
100 add allow all from any to any in via xl0
110 add allow all from any to any out via xl0
ipa(/usr/local/etc/ipa.conf):
rule xl0-in {
ipfw = 100
info = Incoming traffic for xl0
}
rule xl0-out {
ipfw = 110
info = Outgoing traffic for xl0
}
HTH
Michal Mertl
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Re: Solved problem with hylafax: How to help other users now
Sorry for the silly question. Forget it! Only after sending the email I noticed that in www.freebsd.org there's a rich bug reporting section. I will use it, of course. Ciao Vittorio Alle 16:02, domenica 20 marzo 2005, Vittorio ha scritto: Dear Friends, I had the problem reported in the message below with hylafax installation compiled from scratch from the standard ports of rel.5.3. I solved the problem asking around to many mailing lists and found the solution which - in this case - was as simple as: chmod a+rx -R /var/spool Now hylafax works! BUT ... if another user compiles hylafax from the ports chances are it will come across the same problems. How can I help avoiding this? Is there a bug reporting mailing list or should I write to the mantainer of the program (maho 'at' freebsd 'dot' org) to indicate my solution? Furthermore, not being an expert my solution could introduce some security hole in the system; who's going to check it? Ciao Vittorio -- Messaggio inoltrato -- Subject: Problems with /var/spool/hylafax Date: 12:57, mercoledì 16 marzo 2005 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FreeBSD freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Under FBSD 5.3 I've just compiled hylafax from the ports, set up the modem with faxsetup and then started /usr/local/etc/rc.d/hylafax.sh.sample start ... BUT.. /var/log/messages complains that: VicBSD FaxQueuer[668]: /var/spool/hylafax: Can not change directory VicBSD HylaFAX[669]: Can not change directory to /var/spool/hylafax VicBSD FaxQueuer[739]: /var/spool/hylafax: Can not change directory VicBSD HylaFAX[740]: Can not change directory to /var/spool/hylafax What's the matter with it and what shall I do? Here it is a ls -al /var/spool/hylafax total 40 drwxr-xr-x 17 uucpdialer 512 Mar 16 09:07 . drwx-- 9 daemon daemon 512 Mar 15 21:43 .. -r--r--r-- 1 rootdialer 5426 Mar 15 21:43 COPYRIGHT prw--- 1 uucpdialer 0 Mar 15 21:43 FIFO prw--- 1 uucpdialer 0 Mar 16 09:07 FIFO.cuaa0 drwx-- 2 uucpdialer 512 Mar 15 21:43 archive drwxr-xr-x 2 uucpdialer 512 Mar 16 09:05 bin drwxr-xr-x 2 uucpdialer 512 Mar 15 21:43 client drwxr-xr-x 2 uucpdialer 1536 Mar 15 21:43 config drwxr-xr-x 2 uucpdialer 512 Mar 15 21:43 dev drwx-- 2 uucpdialer 512 Mar 15 21:43 docq drwx-- 2 uucpdialer 512 Mar 15 21:43 doneq drwxr-xr-x 2 uucpdialer 512 Mar 16 09:07 etc drwxr-xr-x 2 uucpdialer 512 Mar 15 21:43 info drwxr-xr-x 2 uucpdialer 512 Mar 15 21:43 log drwx-- 2 uucpdialer 512 Mar 15 21:43 pollq drwxr-xr-x 2 uucpdialer 512 Mar 15 21:43 recvq drwx-- 2 uucpdialer 512 Mar 15 21:43 sendq drwxr-xr-x 2 uucpdialer 512 Mar 16 09:01 status drwx-- 2 uucpdialer 512 Mar 15 21:43 tmp Ciao Vittorio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows Mobile connected via uppc-kmod, anyone?
I have this working successfully with a Dell Axim PDA. Please attach relevant logs and conf files On Sun, 2005-03-20 at 01:10 +0100, Georg-W. Koltermann wrote: Hi, I am trying to connect my BlueMedia PDA (rebrand of Yakumo Delta 300 GPS) to FreeBSD 5.3 using the uppc-kmod port. I am having problems to get the connection up. The ppp log shows that the link is established briefly but then immediately disconnects. It never makes it to talk to dccm. Is anyone out there using this? Does it work at all? -- Regards, Georg. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adaptec AAC raid support
On Mar 20, 2005, at 10:00 AM, Adam wrote: Have you read the NDA between Adaptec and Intel? If not, how do you know just what it does or does not cover? Once again, you're making claims of fact about a document that you've probably never seen. I think you are making wild assertions and have not even a shred of evidence to justify them. Speaking of wild assertions with no evidence, why exactly do you keep making up rediculous excuses for a company that hates you? Good example! You've come up with another wild assertion. Adaptec doesn't hate me. Why would that company know me personally, much less have a strong negative opinion? Why do you think that adaptec is special and had to sign NDAs with intel and dell(?!) to make the same products with the same chips that other vendors clearly didn't have to sign NDAs to make? I don't think Adaptec is special. It's normal for companies to enter into a NDA agreement with their partners, and I'd bet a dollar to a donut that LSI, Promise, 3ware, and other vendors of RAID hardware also have NDA agreements which would prevent those companies from making every single internal document available to the public. There is absolutely no reason that adaptec cannot release documentation for their hardware. Nobody even needs to know how the intel chip works, just how to speak to the adaptec firmware. Let's pretend you're right, just for the sake of argument. Let's say that Adaptec could release all of their docs. You've given them an ultimatum, and they've said no. I've dealt with a few people who have told me do it my way, or else. I've chosen the or else part without any regret whatsoever: I make my own decisions, nobody else, and the people who have tried to control my decisions have gotten exactly nothing from me as a result. Nor will they, ever. Adaptec doesn't want you to buy their hardware, Do you claim to speak for Adaptec? Your words are dangerously ill-chosen if you do not work for Adaptec, because you are misleading people about the company and about their products. Besides, I'm quite sure you're wrong: Adaptec wants me and other potential customers to buy their products, just as any other hardware vendor would. and your reaction is to try to justify that stupidity for them, since they can't do it? If you like being shit on that's up to you, but don't tell us that we should like it too, or try to justify why adaptec thinks its customers are toilets. You remind me of someone I knew once that went off the deep end into paranoid delusions. I once tried to explain to that person that, no, nobody was spying on me, or on him either. I think someone spying on me would be bored, quite frankly. Children learn to accept no in the process of growing up. They learn to deal with the world not giving them anything and everything the child might demand, the moment it is demanded. To use your crude metaphor, I tolerate-- not admire-- potty talk from a child that hasn't been toilet-trained, but it's past time for you and Theo to grow up and start acting like adults, rather than like ill-bred, spoiled children throwing temper tantrums when told no. -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ebay Phishing
Hi all, Is it just me, but I've had 2 Ebay Phishing e-mails to this e-mail address that I only use for this mail list. Both mails where from Comcast users !! Rob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ebay Phishing
Robert Slade wrote: Hi all, Is it just me, but I've had 2 Ebay Phishing e-mails to this e-mail address that I only use for this mail list. Both mails where from Comcast users !! Rob Sounds like someone from Comcast is on this list AND using a Windows box AND is infected. Shame on you -- Best regards, Chris If you have always done it that way, it is probably wrong. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: printer gone beszerk
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005, Karl Agee wrote: FreeBSD 4.11-Stable. My printer has gone beszerk...and, I cant clear the queue. Here is some output: bash-2.05b$ lpq -P hp Warning: unable to get address list for remote machine : No address associated with hostname Warning: no daemon present Rank Owner Job Files Total Size 1stkdagee 0(standard input) 145143 bytes 2ndkdagee 1(standard input) 74513 bytes 3rdkdagee 2(standard input) 967543 bytes 4thkdagee 3(standard input) 406428 bytes bash-2.05b$ lprm - lprm: getprintcap: printer not found bash-2.05b$ cat /etc/printcap # This file was automatically generated by cupsd(8) from the # /usr/local/etc/cups/printers.conf file. All changes to this file # will be lost. hp|hp:rm=:rp=hp: This is a local printer on lp0. I set it up using apsfilter, and I dont use cups. Your printcap disagrees with both of those sentences. See the handbook chapter on printing for the way to do this. If you have FreeBSD sources installed, /usr/src/etc/printcap should contain the sample file. Pay particular attention to the lp, rm, and rp parameters. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mutt sendmail configuration problems
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Ulf Magnusson wrote: I'm trying to set up sendmail to route outgoing mail to an external SMTP server. I need this for Mutt, which doesn't have its own means of transfering mail and relies on whatever MTA the system provides. I found out about sendmail's SMARTHOST capability and added this line to my host.mc configuration file (built by 'cd /etc/mail make make install'): define(`SMART_HOST', `smtp.liu.se') Hi, the FEATURE has to be: define(`SMART_HOST',`[smtp.liu.se]')dnl Optional you can use the authinfo-file feature: FEATURE(`authinfo')dnl If so create a file /etc/mail/authinfo wiht something like this: AuthInfo:smtp.liu.se U:yourusername P:yourpassword Go to /etc/mail and run as root: makemap hash authinfo authinfo chmod 600 authinfo authinfo.db Oliver I then installed the changes with 'make make install make restart'. Now, whenever I try to send mail from Mutt, I get back the following failure notice: Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:33:21 +0100 (CET) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem MAILER-DAEMON To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) [-- Bilaga #1 --] [-- Typ: text/plain, Kodning: 7bit, Storlek: 0,5K --] The original message was received at Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:33:20 +0100 (CET) from localhost [127.0.0.1] - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - [EMAIL PROTECTED] (reason: 504 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sender address rejected: need fully-qualified address) - Transcript of session follows - ... while talking to smtp.liu.se.: DATA 504 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sender address rejected: need fully-qualified address 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable 554 Error: no valid recipients [-- Bilaga #2 --] [-- Typ: message/delivery-status, Kodning: 7bit, Storlek: 0,4K --] Reporting-MTA: dns; obygden Received-From-MTA: DNS; localhost Arrival-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:33:20 +0100 (CET) Final-Recipient: RFC822; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 5.5.4 Remote-MTA: DNS; smtp.liu.se Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 504 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sender address rejected: need +fully-qualified address Last-Attempt-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:33:21 +0100 (CET) [-- Bilaga #3 --] [-- Typ: message/rfc822, Kodning: 7bit, Storlek: 0,7K --] Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:33:20 +0100 From: Ulf Magnusson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: test User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i test any ideas? Please be aware that I'm totally new to sendmail when replying :) -- ... don't touch the bang bang fruit ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adaptec AAC raid support
On 2005 Mar 20, at 6:41 AM, Charles Swiger wrote: While I haven't seen Adaptec's NDA agreements, I'd bet a stack of nickels they exist and limit the information Adaptec is able to make public. This is a moot point. If Adaptec has been foolish enough to bind their own hands in this manner then they have demonstrated a serious lack of judgment. Consider: if Adaptec is bound to the sort of NDAs that you suggest, they'd be unable to sell to the military or NASA or other big institutions with RD departments that would want exactly what Theo is asking for himself. If true, it's just another nail in Adaptec's coffin. Cheers, b PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: OpenBSD's pf and traffic
Eugene M. Minkovskii [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does any body know, how can I use OpenBSD's pf (packet filter) for determine total traffic volume on network interface? If it's impossible, what facility you recommend me to do this? Various pfctl -s options (eg pfctl -s info) give you counters of bytes and packets passed or blocked. If you use labels in your pass rules, you'll get per label counters as well. -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/ http://www.datadok.no/ http://www.nuug.no/ First, we kill all the spammers The Usenet Bard, Twice-forwarded tales ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Managing virtual e-mails
Someone broke the silence: Hello. I am running the Postfix+Courier on MySQL setup found on: http://www.high5.net/howto I am wondering how to add and delete users, as well as adding and deleting aliases -- and managing my virtual e-mail database in general -- using a pure, clean and efficient approach, rather than having to use Postfixadmin, which I find to be sort of unprofessional and bloated with bad design. For instance, I managed to avoid using the PHPMyAdmin, and instead got all my setup recorded in clean text: You can just create any applications that has SQL capabilities. Code your own PHP website with administration functions? Python application? C application? Ruby application?...the list goes on. Chris snip ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ebay Phishing
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Robert Slade wrote: Is it just me, but I've had 2 Ebay Phishing e-mails to this e-mail address that I only use for this mail list. Both mails where from Comcast users !! Mail to this list is reposted on the web and through multiple mail-to-news gateways. So your address was likely harvested. As to Comcast, it's a multitude of Windows users on high-speed connections, many of them running infected machines that are broadcasting viruses and spam. If you have your own mailserver, most of this can be rejected by using greylisting or by rejecting mail from dynamic Comcast IP addresses, while still allowing mail coming from Comcast's mail servers. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ebay Phishing
At 10:18 3/20/2005, Robert Slade wrote: Hi all, Is it just me, but I've had 2 Ebay Phishing e-mails to this e-mail address that I only use for this mail list. Both mails where from Comcast users !! Please forward them (include headers) to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Same for [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start Here to Find It Fast! - http://www.US-Webmasters.com/best-start-page/ $8.77 Domain Names - http://domains.us-webmasters.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ebay Phishing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2005-03-20, Warren Block scribbled these curious markings: If you have your own mailserver, most of this can be rejected by using greylisting or by rejecting mail from dynamic Comcast IP addresses, while still allowing mail coming from Comcast's mail servers. Which is completely and totally unfair to those of us who *can* control our networks and who are more than likely being blamed for things that we aren't even doing (i.e. machines not on Comcast's network forging headers). DNS blacklisting is one of the most unfair methods of stopping spam. It's a real pain in the neck for me to edit my Postfix configuration every time some pissy netadmin decides to blacklist a whole netblock because of one or two (ignorant) miscreants. Best Regards, Christopher Nehren -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCPa89k/lo7zvzJioRAtqnAJ9EDa1GEhNIyphls0xSuPwvDq+48ACgh7qQ ctRpzUxRNGO9q8FCIdkyBYM= =XKVA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- I abhor a system designed for the user, if that word is a coded pejorative meaning stupid and unsophisticated. -- Ken Thompson If you ask the wrong questions, you get answers like 42 and God. Unix is user friendly. However, it isn't idiot friendly. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD?
As I follow this discussion an idea/question forms in my head. The server side should be managed by BSD, but the client side is most surely an heterogeneous group. So a solution to somehow emulate/simulate an exchange server on an box (or cluster of sql horde what ever servers), and import this e.g. calendar data into a BSD solution. As I understand the so far mentioned products, these are quite capable of doing so. Then there would be an easy solution to different likes in clients. As I am not at all a skilled programmer I can not appraise the work that would be needed to establish such a thing. Christian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adaptec AAC raid support
On Sat, Mar 19, 2005 at 02:49:04PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: [snip] And how many more people have learned from this and will avoid Adaptec products? At least one, and that one will share his feelings with coworkers and friends in the field you can be sure. (perhaps these circles where it is being discusssed is on the fringe, but people in this fringe circle buy or are involved in the purchases for a LOT of hardware. Much like if Cisco fucks up and someone brings note of it to NANOG. Then Cisco jumps. If Adaptec does not jump now, Adaptec is retarded.) Could be getting too late already. People don't forget so easy when they hear that hardware from vendor X doesn't work. Also, those of us who care about free software now associate Adaptec with problems. I have no pity for Adaptec. They have made their own bed. -Rick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: oo.org unkillable process
Hello Freek I run OO since month without problems (also remote over ssh). X-Version? FreeBSD-Version? Did you make cvsuped fresh installation? Am Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 10:04:36AM +0100 Freek Nossin schrieb: Hello, I recently installed OO.org via the ports. When I start one of its applications the program freezes and I can't kill the process, not even as root with #kill -9 PID I found some related messages in the freebsd-current mailling list, but I could not find a solution. http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/htdig/freebsd-current/2004-November/042264. html http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/htdig/freebsd-current/2004-November/042162. html http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/htdig/freebsd-current/2004-November/04. html http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/htdig/freebsd-current/2004-November/042204. html http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/htdig/freebsd-current/2004-November/042488. html http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/htdig/freebsd-current/2004-November/042156. html Does anybody have an idea? Freek ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards Gruss Mit freundlichen Grüssen Martin Schweizer [EMAIL PROTECTED] PC-Service M. Schweizer GmbH; Bannholzstrasse 6; CH-8608 Bubikon Tel. +41 55 243 30 00; Fax: +41 55 243 33 22; http://www.pc-service.ch; public key : http://www.pc-service.ch/pgp/public_key.asc; fingerprint: EC21 CA4D 5C78 BC2D 73B7 10F9 C1AE 1691 D30F D239; pgp4HyAxzhdHh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD?
Duo writes: And you failed to answer his question. Why not stop trying to avoid it by answering it. I did answer it. I asked for a product that provides ALL the features of Exchange. And he surely knows what all of the features of Exchange are, otherwise he could not say with confidence that other UNIX products provide them. As for looking for non microsoft solutions, yes. There is a point to that. It's called voting with your pocketbook, and its a valid course of action in a capitalist society. Choosing to go outside a monopoly is a right. So you never buy Intel microprocessors, and you never buy anything with a zipper? (Remember, YKK has a virtual world monopoly on zippers.) And yes, looking for non MS solutions, for the sake of it, is a valid choice. Not for many corporate managers. They don't care whether it's Microsoft or not, as long as it's the best tool for the job. People don't usually reach the upper levels of management in large corporations by indulging emotional attachments to one vendor or another. It's the only way some things get better. If you had been using Microsoft Mail (or its inferior predecessor, Network Courrier, which Microsoft bought, modified, and marketed as Microsoft Mail), you could have gone to Exchange and things would have gotten a lot better ... without ever leaving Microsoft. If for instance, I go with a product of MS, as opposed to a smaller OSS project, the OSS Project typically *cares* about the feedback I give it. It cares about the features I want and need. So does Microsoft. That's how it stays on top. It's all a bit amusing, since I remember when Microsoft was the underdog and the Great Satan was IBM or DEC. The names change, but the game remains the same, and the flying accusations are just as baseless today as they were back then. It's a pity that no discussion of software can be carried out these days without degenerating into religious jihads against Microsoft. I need a credit card before MS will talk to me. You need a stroke of good luck before someone working on open source will talk to you. I'm still waiting for solutions to my SATA and SCSI problems. The Exchange solution might be best for a gold partner with M$, but overall, a very poor solution, which locks you into a feature set, and a company that has shown little concern for its base of customers. The success of the product would seem to belie your claim. A lot of organizations and users really like Exchange. In regards to its use of JET, Jet2003 cannot handle any other process running against its datastore, because it dosent have the ability to cache and then commit like a REAL RDBMS. There's only one process running against the database in Exchange. I have yet to see anything on microcomputers that I'd call a real DBMS, but perhaps someone out there is coming close. Eventually they'll reinvent what mainframe programmers knew thirty-five years ago. This is a problem for things such as virus scanning, and tight integration with an AD Environment, which is getting more and more replication based. In fact, some types of virus scanning can introduce data corruption of the store, which could lead to other issues. Step number one in any Exchange database failure is to turn off and deinstall all the antivirus junk running against it. I'd tend to prefer to put antivirus stuff on the client, not on the server. Some users may not want their e-mail scanned for viruses. Power users, in particular, may not want any virus protections at all, since they know not to click on attachments and antivirus software all too often hashes the very system it's supposed to protect. What's more, the virus scanners that do run against Exchange's DB, also cost money, and typically require some more hardware. And overhead. So now I am running exchange, and a bevy of other stuff to prop it up. You don't have to run virus scanners. The whole point of UNIX, and Open Source is a number of people, getting together and saying...It shouldnt have to be that hard Or a number of people drifting apart and saying I'm tired of working on this. Or a number of people saying, Look, I'm not paid for this, if you have a problem with it, get the source and fix it yourself. MS has had YEARS to put a SQL backend onto Exchange, yet have not. That was a deliberate choice on the part of MS, mainly because they were worried about performance and about flexibility. I've always felt that it might not have been a very good decision, but there you have it. Then again, I'm not sure that _any_ kind of database is really a good idea in a messaging system. You really don't need a full database for e-mail. With its history, and its track record, and indeed, with even most recommending a dry SMTP server outside of the regular exchange server, exchange is hardly a worthwhile solution. With the number of machines you need to run Exchange properly, (basically, 2-3) with freeBSD, I can do
RE: Managing virtual e-mails
And if I cannot code? ... Will you code one for me? - Original Message - From: Haulmark, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Fafa Diliha Romanova [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Managing virtual e-mails Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:53:29 -0500 Someone broke the silence: Hello. I am running the Postfix+Courier on MySQL setup found on: http://www.high5.net/howto I am wondering how to add and delete users, as well as adding and deleting aliases -- and managing my virtual e-mail database in general -- using a pure, clean and efficient approach, rather than having to use Postfixadmin, which I find to be sort of unprofessional and bloated with bad design. For instance, I managed to avoid using the PHPMyAdmin, and instead got all my setup recorded in clean text: You can just create any applications that has SQL capabilities. Code your own PHP website with administration functions? Python application? C application? Ruby application?...the list goes on. Chris snip -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD?
Duo writes: And, one stop shopping is not always the best course of action. In fact, it's extremely limiting in alot of ways. Maybe, but that's the way a lot of organizations do it, and they have both good and bad reasons for doing it that way. Another thing, Exchange may have it all as you say, but I say: the more you overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the sink. True, but in large organizations you don't have a choice. Exchange's many issues come from its bloated nature. Yes. So do its advantages. I said it before, Ill say it again: I'll take 4 or 5 different OSS services, that do the same job as Exchange any day. But you may not be the one making the decision. I guarantee they will be more scalable, cheaper TCO, and the developers will be far more receptive to my feedback than MS ever will be. If they are reliable, adequate solutions ... why do you need developers? And, the folks who buy into MS's embrace and extend are a dime a dozen. Exchange was a Microsoft invention, although it did adhere to certain standards. It implemented X.400 quite well (too bad nobody wanted X.400). The original post in this thread, was about emulating an environment in which to run exchange. And I gave the original answer, which is that Exchange doesn't run on anything but Windows servers, period. ... that's been answered, you on the other hand, seem to me to be border line trolling. It takes two to engage in debate. Nobody is obligated to reply to anything I say that he considers off-topic. What's more, even if your assesment of Exchange (that its the best) is correct, how can there ever be anything better, if people dont move to other products with potential? When and if another product that is superior comes along, people may well move to it. As far as I know, however, nobody is trying to compete with Exchange. It would be a billion-dollar undertaking with very high risk, and the market potential just doesn't justify that sort of adventure. It's your attitude that perpetuates embrace and extend. My attitude is that of a longtime IT professional who has grown out of petty schoolyard crushes and hate campaigns. I run whatever does the job best. I don't care who wrote it. I recommend what I consider to be objectively best. No, unfortunately, people outside IT, who have zero technical understanding of the pandora's box they open, are making these choices. Yes, that's what I said. No technical understanding ... but no love or hate, either. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adaptec AAC raid support
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:17:10 -0500, Charles Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think Adaptec is special. It's normal for companies to enter into a NDA agreement with their partners, and I'd bet a dollar to a donut that LSI, Promise, 3ware, and other vendors of RAID hardware also have NDA agreements which would prevent those companies from making every single internal document available to the public. Then you have no idea what you are talking about. Ask them, there is nothing special about their products that requires an NDA between them and their partners. The aren't saying they can't release the docs because of NDAs, so why are you making up such a rediculous excuse for them? You've given them an ultimatum, and they've said no. I've dealt with a few people who have told me do it my way, or else. I've chosen the or else part without any regret whatsoever: I make my own decisions, nobody else, and the people who have tried to control my decisions have gotten exactly nothing from me as a result. Nor will they, ever. No, they haven't said anything. Do you have even a basic grasp of what is going on? Adaptec was asked for info, they said we will stall for a long time and maybe give you something that might be close to what you want someday. So Theo is asking for Adaptec's customers to tell them that this matters. If Adaptec chooses to say no, then that's fine. They can lose all the business they want. In the mean time, everyone who wasted their money on adaptec hardware is free to tell adaptec that they are losing customers. I'm sorry if you feel that corporations should be shielded from critisism from their customers, but that's not how the world works. Do you claim to speak for Adaptec? Your words are dangerously ill-chosen if you do not work for Adaptec, because you are misleading people about the company and about their products. Quit being such a corporate apologist. They refuse to give out the info required to use their hardware. That prevents people from using it. So they obviously don't want people to buy their hardware. Either that or they don't realize its costing them money to be stupid like this, which is the entire point of this, demonstrating to them that this will cost them money. You remind me of someone I knew once that went off the deep end into paranoid delusions. I once tried to explain to that person that, no, nobody was spying on me, or on him either. I think someone spying on me would be bored, quite frankly. You remind me of an asskisser that thinks apologizing for, and making excuses for others will get you favour in some way. I doubt adaptec will give you anything for making retarded excuses for them that don't even make sense, so you can stop. If adaptec has a reason why they won't let people use their hardware, they can tell their customers what that reason is, they don't need you making up excuses. Children learn to accept no in the process of growing up. They learn to deal with the world not giving them anything and everything the child might demand, the moment it is demanded. And adults learn that businesses like money, and showing businesses how they will lose money by making certain decisions can effect those decisions. Maybe you should take some more time to understand what is actually happening instead of making snide remarks about what you wrongly percieve is happening. Adam ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD?
Anthony Atkielski wrote: The original post in this thread, was about emulating an environment in which to run exchange. And I gave the original answer, which is that Exchange doesn't run on anything but Windows servers, period. That's not entirely true. The AS/400 can and do run Windows right along side it's native OS - OS/400 Just wanted to point that out. -- Best regards, Chris The one who least wants to play is the one who will win. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD?
Christian Tischler writes: The server side should be managed by BSD, but the client side is most surely an heterogeneous group. The server side of what? It all depends on the complete architecture of your IT infrastructure. For some situations, sendmail and qpopper are all you'll ever need. For other situations, you'll end up buying racks of servers running Exchange. However, from what you've said thus far, it doesn't sound like Exchange would be the right choice. So a solution to somehow emulate/simulate an exchange server on an box (or cluster of sql horde what ever servers), and import this e.g. calendar data into a BSD solution. As I understand the so far mentioned products, these are quite capable of doing so. Then there would be an easy solution to different likes in clients. Do they really need a calendar function? Remember, once you start building this sort of stuff, it rapidly gets more and more complicated. You might end up at some point realizing that it would have all been easier with Exchange. If you _must_ have functionality equivalent to Exchange, then run Exchange. But if you don't need that functionality, run something simpler. For what it's worth, even fancy Outlook clients can access standard SMTP/POP servers. You can build a backend using only simple software, and then consider something more complex only if and when users absolutely demand it. If you are forced into implementing a very complex solution, consider going to Exchange rather than trying to cobble something together, or you might spend the next ten years trying to get it all to work. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ebay Phishing
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:22:23 -0600 Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: || ||Robert Slade wrote: || Hi all, || || Is it just me, but I've had 2 Ebay Phishing e-mails to this e-mail || address that I only use for this mail list. Both mails where from || Comcast users !! || || Rob || ||Sounds like someone from Comcast is on this list AND using a Windows box ||AND is infected. || ||Shame on you || ||-- ||Best regards, ||Chris || ||If you have always done it that way, it is probably wrong. ** Reply Separator ** Sunday, March 20, 2005 1:35:28 PM 1) Did you actually confirm that the email originated from Comcast 2) Did you report the email to Comcast as well as [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3) Why does it have to be a Windows box? Anyone can access this forum and harvest email addresses. -- Gerard Seibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] They say that a dog is man's best friend. I do not believe that. How many of your friends have you had neutered? smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD?
Anthony Atkielski wrote: Christian Tischler writes: The server side should be managed by BSD, but the client side is most surely an heterogeneous group. The server side of what? It all depends on the complete architecture of your IT infrastructure. For some situations, sendmail and qpopper are all you'll ever need. For other situations, you'll end up buying racks of servers running Exchange. However, from what you've said thus far, it doesn't sound like Exchange would be the right choice. So a solution to somehow emulate/simulate an exchange server on an box (or cluster of sql horde what ever servers), and import this e.g. calendar data into a BSD solution. As I understand the so far mentioned products, these are quite capable of doing so. Then there would be an easy solution to different likes in clients. Do they really need a calendar function? Remember, once you start building this sort of stuff, it rapidly gets more and more complicated. You might end up at some point realizing that it would have all been easier with Exchange. If you _must_ have functionality equivalent to Exchange, then run Exchange. But if you don't need that functionality, run something simpler. For what it's worth, even fancy Outlook clients can access standard SMTP/POP servers. You can build a backend using only simple software, and then consider something more complex only if and when users absolutely demand it. If you are forced into implementing a very complex solution, consider going to Exchange rather than trying to cobble something together, or you might spend the next ten years trying to get it all to work. Just to point out what I need, and then you probably will understand why I started this in the first place. I need to synchronize peoples (in the beginning only a few) calenders. As they all use Outlook I wanted to keep things easy on them. As I really fancy FreeBSD, I started to look for a way to combine both worlds... Christian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: IPv6 in rc.conf only: create gif0 / add route?
Hello again! Your answers were a bit out of my league: here is my rc.conf so far. i'm not sure if it's working i haven't had a chance to reboot yet. please let me know what you think of it? # *** IPv6 configuration # ipv6_enable=YES ipv6_gateway_enable=YES cloned_interfaces=gif0 ipv6_network_interfaces=gif0 ipv6_defaultrouter=fe80:: ifconfig_gif0=inet 213.181.153.22 213.121.24.85 ipv6_ifconfig_gif0_alias1=2001:618:400:33bb::1 prefixlen 64 ipv6_ifconfig_gif0_alias2=2001:618:400:33bb::2 prefixlen 64 ipv6_ifconfig_gif0_alias3=2001:618:400:33bb::3 prefixlen 64 ipv6_firewall_enable=YES ipv6_firewall_type=open rtadvd_enable=YES rtadvd_interfaces=gif0 You have nothing to specify the ipv6 part of the gif tunnel. should have 2 ipv6 addresses usualy on a /128. Could you please provide me with an example? Your ipv6 default gateway is a fe80: address (link local.) Usualy it would be your next hop out onto the ipv6 internet (in my case the other side of the ipv6 part of the gif tunnel.) How should my gateway be? You are advertising your machine as an ipv6 router but only on the gif interface, thus any ipv6 hosts you have on your network wont see the router advertisment packets and wont autoconfigure to the range you are advertising. My network interface connecting me to the Internet is lnc0. Should rtadvd be advertising it instead? Hope you get it working, I'm no expert but it works for me :) Now now :) You seem to know your way. All the best, -- Fafa - Original Message - From: Vince [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Fafa Diliha Romanova' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: IPv6 in rc.conf only: create gif0 / add route? Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:26:53 - Since you are using a gif interface I assume you use a tunnel for your ipv6 connection. Here is the relevant parts of my rc.conf which works (I use a H.E. ipv6 tunnel (http://tunnelbroker.net) but any gif tunnel should be similar) gif_interfaces=gif0 # create the gif gifconfig_gif0=62.140.220.90 64.71.128.83 # setup the ipv4 endpoints of the tunnel ipv6_enable=YES# Set to YES to set up for IPv6. ipv6_gateway_enable=YES ipv6_network_interfaces=gif0 fxp0 # List of network interfaces (or auto). ipv6_defaultrouter=2001:470:1F01:::120# Set to IPv6 default gateway ipv6_ifconfig_gif0=2001:470:1F01:::121 2001:470:1F01:::120 prefixlen 128 #setup ipv6 tunnel ipv6_ifconfig_fxp0=2001:470:1F01:244::1 prefixlen 64 #set fxp0 ipv6 address rtadvd_enable=YES # Set to YES to enable an IPv6 router rtadvd_interfaces=fxp1 fxp0 wi0 # Interfaces rtadvd sends RA packets. Some lines may wrap. Vince -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fafa Diliha Romanova Sent: 13 March 2005 20:11 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: IPv6 in rc.conf only: create gif0 / add route? Hey! I am trying to add my entire IPv6 setup into rc.conf. But it seems it won't automagically create gif0, nor will it add the default route. This is my rc.conf: # *** IPv6 configuration # ipv6_enable=YES ipv6_gateway_enable=YES ipv6_network_interfaces=gif0 ipv6_defaultrouter=fe80::%gif0 ipv6_ifconfig_gif0=inet 213.183.143.59 213.121.24.85 ipv6_ifconfig_gif0=inet6 alias 2001:618:400:4572::1 prefixlen 64 ipv6_ifconfig_gif0=inet6 alias 2001:618:400:4572::2 prefixlen 64 ipv6_ifconfig_gif0=inet6 alias 2001:618:400:4572::3 prefixlen 64 ipv6_firewall_enable=YES ipv6_firewall_type=open rtadvd_enable=YES rtadvd_interfaces=gif0 Is anybody able to tell what I lack? I certainly cannot ping6 6bone.net after reboot. Thanks! All the best, -- Fafa -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FTPD and Internet Explorer 6.0
I've been curious about this for a while. I have a freebsd 5.3 Release Server running FTPD. Users running MS WIndows can connect to it just find as long as they type in ftp://[EMAIL PROTECTED] However, when they connect as ftp://ipaddress, the server thinks they are trying to connect anonymously. But i've noticed that this doesn't happen when running PROFTPD from the ports. Can anyone explain why this is??? Is there a way to connect as ftp://ipaddress and still get prompted for username and password under internet explorer 6.0??? I'm not on the list so please CC: me. Thanks in advance!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anybody using BTExact's IPv6 tunnel?
If you are, please show me your working setup :) Either in the form of rc.conf, or a custom shell script. Thank you, -- Fafa -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Slow Performance with OpenBSD's PF on 5.3-RELEASE
I recently setup a box with 5.3 release and enabled PF in order to do NAT and eventually firewalling and bandwidth control when I become more acustom to the workings of PF. Regardless of which however, I'm having tremendous speed issues with the box currently. Here is my pf.conf: ext_if=rl1 int_if=xl0 int_net=192.168.1.0/24 nat on $ext_if from $int_net to any - $ext_if pass in all keep state pass out all keep state Here is my rc.conf: defaultrouter=63.135.xxx.xxx gateway_enable=YES hostname=ORCA. ifconfig_rl1=inet 63.135.xxx.xxx netmask 255.255.255.240 ifconfig_xl0=inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 linux_enable=YES sshd_enable=YES usbd_enable=YES pf_enable=yes pf_rules=/etc/pfrules.conf pf_flags= pflog_enable=YES pflog_logfile=/var/log/pflog pflog_flags= -- -Tomas Quintero ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ebay Phishing
Gerard Seibert wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:22:23 -0600 Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: || ||Robert Slade wrote: || Hi all, || || Is it just me, but I've had 2 Ebay Phishing e-mails to this e-mail || address that I only use for this mail list. Both mails where from || Comcast users !! || || Rob || ||Sounds like someone from Comcast is on this list AND using a Windows box ||AND is infected. || ||Shame on you || ||-- ||Best regards, ||Chris || ||If you have always done it that way, it is probably wrong. ** Reply Separator ** Sunday, March 20, 2005 1:35:28 PM 1) Did you actually confirm that the email originated from Comcast 2) Did you report the email to Comcast as well as [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3) Why does it have to be a Windows box? Anyone can access this forum and harvest email addresses. -- Gerard Seibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] They say that a dog is man's best friend. I do not believe that. How many of your friends have you had neutered? It is most likely it is a windows box that has been copromised due to one of the slew of M$ vulnerabilities. Some crafty programmer has turned this box into a zombie and installed a mailing package or a proxy server and is sending mail from it in concert with thousands of others just like it...al behind one keyboard. -Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: IPv6 in rc.conf only: create gif0 / add route?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fafa Diliha Romanova Sent: 20 March 2005 19:22 To: Vince Hoffman Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: IPv6 in rc.conf only: create gif0 / add route? Hello again! Hi, Your answers were a bit out of my league: Or badly worded ;) here is my rc.conf so far. i'm not sure if it's working i haven't had a chance to reboot yet. please let me know what you think of it? # *** IPv6 configuration # ipv6_enable=YES ipv6_gateway_enable=YES cloned_interfaces=gif0 ipv6_network_interfaces=gif0 ipv6_defaultrouter=fe80:: ifconfig_gif0=inet 213.181.153.22 213.121.24.85 ipv6_ifconfig_gif0_alias1=2001:618:400:33bb::1 prefixlen 64 ipv6_ifconfig_gif0_alias2=2001:618:400:33bb::2 prefixlen 64 ipv6_ifconfig_gif0_alias3=2001:618:400:33bb::3 prefixlen 64 ipv6_firewall_enable=YES ipv6_firewall_type=open rtadvd_enable=YES rtadvd_interfaces=gif0 You have nothing to specify the ipv6 part of the gif tunnel. should have 2 ipv6 addresses usualy on a /128. Could you please provide me with an example? Ok I had a headstart here as I had already used a gif s an ipv4 over ipv4 tunnel and the HE tunnelbroker page gives you a basic config (for every operating system you're likely to use anyway which includes FreeBSD.) I'll go through the steps of creating the tunnel and then translate them to rc.conf variables. 1) create the gif ifconfig gif0 create-- you have this with cloned_interfaces=gif0 2) the command they give was slightly wrong you need ifconfig gif0 inet 62.140.220.90 64.71.128.83 -- again you have this as ifconfig_gif0=inet 213.181.153.22 213.121.24.85 3) configure the ipv6 point to point tunnel ifconfig gif0 inet6 2001:470:1F01:::121 2001:470:1F01:::120 prefixlen 128 --- you are missing this command. I have ipv6_ifconfig_gif0=2001:470:1F01:::121 2001:470:1F01:::120 prefixlen 128 4) add you ipv6 default route (the far end of the tunnel makes sense) route -n add -inet6 default 2001:470:1F01:::120 In rc.conf ipv6_defaultrouter=2001:470:1F01:::120 Your ipv6 default gateway is a fe80: address (link local.) Usualy it would be your next hop out onto the ipv6 internet (in my case the other side of the ipv6 part of the gif tunnel.) How should my gateway be? Your first hop out onto the ipv6 internet, as provided by your tunnel provider. You are advertising your machine as an ipv6 router but only on the gif interface, thus any ipv6 hosts you have on your network wont see the router advertisment packets and wont autoconfigure to the range you are advertising. My network interface connecting me to the Internet is lnc0. Should rtadvd be advertising it instead? Do you have any hosts that need to use rtadvd? (hosts on your network that are running rtsold/rtsol or equivalent? If not don't run it, if you do then run it on the interface those hosts are connected to. Good luck, Vince Hope you get it working, I'm no expert but it works for me :) Now now :) You seem to know your way. All the best, -- Fafa - Original Message - From: Vince [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Fafa Diliha Romanova' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: IPv6 in rc.conf only: create gif0 / add route? Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:26:53 - Since you are using a gif interface I assume you use a tunnel for your ipv6 connection. Here is the relevant parts of my rc.conf which works (I use a H.E. ipv6 tunnel (http://tunnelbroker.net) but any gif tunnel should be similar) gif_interfaces=gif0 # create the gif gifconfig_gif0=62.140.220.90 64.71.128.83 # setup the ipv4 endpoints of the tunnel ipv6_enable=YES# Set to YES to set up for IPv6. ipv6_gateway_enable=YES ipv6_network_interfaces=gif0 fxp0 # List of network interfaces (or auto). ipv6_defaultrouter=2001:470:1F01:::120# Set to IPv6 default gateway ipv6_ifconfig_gif0=2001:470:1F01:::121 2001:470:1F01:::120 prefixlen 128 #setup ipv6 tunnel ipv6_ifconfig_fxp0=2001:470:1F01:244::1 prefixlen 64 #set fxp0 ipv6 address rtadvd_enable=YES # Set to YES to enable an IPv6 router rtadvd_interfaces=fxp1 fxp0 wi0 # Interfaces rtadvd sends RA packets. Some lines may wrap. Vince -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fafa Diliha Romanova Sent: 13 March 2005 20:11 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: IPv6 in rc.conf only: create gif0 / add route? Hey! I am trying to add my entire IPv6 setup into rc.conf. But it seems it won't automagically create gif0, nor will it add the default route. This is my rc.conf: # *** IPv6 configuration # ipv6_enable=YES ipv6_gateway_enable=YES
Re: Slow Performance with OpenBSD's PF on 5.3-RELEASE
I think more information might be required than just your conf files. What slow performance are you seeing? Are internal LAN clients having issues with using this computer as a firewall/router? Are you running an internal DNS? DHCPd? Just a start.. T - Original Message - From: Tomas Quintero [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 11:36 AM Subject: Slow Performance with OpenBSD's PF on 5.3-RELEASE I recently setup a box with 5.3 release and enabled PF in order to do NAT and eventually firewalling and bandwidth control when I become more acustom to the workings of PF. Regardless of which however, I'm having tremendous speed issues with the box currently. Here is my pf.conf: ext_if=rl1 int_if=xl0 int_net=192.168.1.0/24 nat on $ext_if from $int_net to any - $ext_if pass in all keep state pass out all keep state Here is my rc.conf: defaultrouter=63.135.xxx.xxx gateway_enable=YES hostname=ORCA. ifconfig_rl1=inet 63.135.xxx.xxx netmask 255.255.255.240 ifconfig_xl0=inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 linux_enable=YES sshd_enable=YES usbd_enable=YES pf_enable=yes pf_rules=/etc/pfrules.conf pf_flags= pflog_enable=YES pflog_logfile=/var/log/pflog pflog_flags= -- -Tomas Quintero ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
amd /home /usr/home mounts
I've got 'amd' starting with -F /etc/amd.conf from /etc/rc.conf: amd_enable=YES # Run amd service with $amd_flags amd_flags=-F /etc/amd.conf amd_map_program=NO# Can be set to ypcat... and my /etc/amd.conf file has, amoung other things...: # -- # Define an amd mount point. [ /home ] map_type= file # Specify filename containg actual map. map_name= auto.amd # Specify that we want the directory to be padded out or not. browsable_dirs = no --- My /etc/auto.amd has no entry for 'foo_local'. It only includes those users who have home dirs on a filer. What I want is that only '/home/usr_in_map' is automounted, _not_ '/usr/home/foo_local', but that's what's happening for a user called 'foo_local' who's entry is at the bottom of my passwd file (since he's got the highest UID.) The auto.amd map shows no entry for this user obviously. My question is, is this behaviour basically a bug, built in but not well documented behaviour, or is there something I'm not aware of whereby I'm instructing amd to also handle '/usr/home' in adition to '/home'? (Like order in the pwf, for instance?) BTW, my /etc/nsswitch.conf is stock: ... passwd: compat passwd_compat: nis ... FWIW, I've got a workaround by making the local user's home dir be in '/usr/local/home', but it doesn't seem like I should have to do this, and it seems to aurgue against pwf order issues being the cause of what I'm seeing. Thanks, - Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ebay Phishing
On Sunday 20 March 2005 11:53 am, Bob Ababurko wrote: Gerard Seibert wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:22:23 -0600 Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ||Robert Slade wrote: || Hi all, || || Is it just me, but I've had 2 Ebay Phishing e-mails to this || e-mail address that I only use for this mail list. Both mails || where from Comcast users !! || || Rob || ||Sounds like someone from Comcast is on this list AND using a || Windows box AND is infected. || ||Shame on you || ||-- ||Best regards, ||Chris || ||If you have always done it that way, it is probably wrong. ** Reply Separator ** Sunday, March 20, 2005 1:35:28 PM 1) Did you actually confirm that the email originated from Comcast 2) Did you report the email to Comcast as well as [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3) Why does it have to be a Windows box? Anyone can access this forum and harvest email addresses. -- Gerard Seibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] They say that a dog is man's best friend. I do not believe that. How many of your friends have you had neutered? It is most likely it is a windows box that has been copromised due to one of the slew of M$ vulnerabilities. Some crafty programmer has turned this box into a zombie and installed a mailing package or a proxy server and is sending mail from it in concert with thousands of others just like it...al behind one keyboard. -Bob Just to be fair towards the OS used by common folk, a few months ago I set up a gateway machine with FreeBSD 4.11 and made the mistake of running it on my DSL line without first setting up a firewall, shutting off sendmail and unused ports. (due to lazyness impatience on my part) It took only a few hours for someone to find the open relay and use it! I didn't even know until Verizon sent me an email saying I was a bad boy and they were shutting off my email access for 24 hours, which they did! Bottom line is it can happen to anyone. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Mutt sendmail configuration problems
I made the modifications suggested, but I still get the same error message. Note the following part: ... while talking to smtp.liu.se.: DATA 504 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sender address rejected: need fully- qualified address I'm guessing the problem is that obygden isn't a fully-qualified address, since it's only visible on the local network (that is, you can't do a DNS lookup on it from systems not connected to the network). What I don't know is how to find out what my fully-qualified address is, provided I have one (my understanding of DNS is still somewhat patchy). And, if I do know my fully-qualified hostname, how do I make sendmail use it instead of obygden when talking to the SMTP server? - Original Message - From: Oliver Fuchs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, March 20, 2005 5:47 pm Subject: Re: Mutt sendmail configuration problems On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Ulf Magnusson wrote: I'm trying to set up sendmail to route outgoing mail to an external SMTP server. I need this for Mutt, which doesn't have its own means of transfering mail and relies on whatever MTA the system provides. I found out about sendmail's SMARTHOST capability and added this line to my host.mc configuration file (built by 'cd /etc/mail make make install'): define(`SMART_HOST', `smtp.liu.se') Hi, the FEATURE has to be: define(`SMART_HOST', `[smtp.liu.se]')dnl Optional you can use the authinfo-file feature: FEATURE(`authinfo')dnl If so create a file /etc/mail/authinfo wiht something like this: AuthInfo:smtp.liu.se U:yourusername P:yourpassword Go to /etc/mail and run as root: makemap hash authinfo authinfo chmod 600 authinfo authinfo.db Oliver I then installed the changes with 'make make install make restart'. Now, whenever I try to send mail from Mutt, I get back the following failure notice: Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:33:21 +0100 (CET) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem MAILER-DAEMON To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) [-- Bilaga #1 --] [-- Typ: text/plain, Kodning: 7bit, Storlek: 0,5K --] The original message was received at Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:33:20 +0100 (CET) from localhost [127.0.0.1] - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - [EMAIL PROTECTED] (reason: 504 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sender address rejected: need fully-qualified address) - Transcript of session follows - ... while talking to smtp.liu.se.: DATA 504 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sender address rejected: need fully- qualified address 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable 554 Error: no valid recipients [-- Bilaga #2 --] [-- Typ: message/delivery-status, Kodning: 7bit, Storlek: 0,4K --] Reporting-MTA: dns; obygden Received-From-MTA: DNS; localhost Arrival-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:33:20 +0100 (CET) Final-Recipient: RFC822; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 5.5.4 Remote-MTA: DNS; smtp.liu.se Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 504 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sender address rejected: need +fully-qualified address Last-Attempt-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:33:21 +0100 (CET) [-- Bilaga #3 --] [-- Typ: message/rfc822, Kodning: 7bit, Storlek: 0,7K --] Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:33:20 +0100 From: Ulf Magnusson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: test User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i test any ideas? Please be aware that I'm totally new to sendmail when replying :) -- ... don't touch the bang bang fruit ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adaptec AAC raid support
On Mar 20, 2005, at 1:25 PM, Adam wrote: Do you claim to speak for Adaptec? Your words are dangerously ill-chosen if you do not work for Adaptec, because you are misleading people about the company and about their products. Quit being such a corporate apologist. They refuse to give out the info required to use their hardware. That prevents people from using it. So they obviously don't want people to buy their hardware. This... [ ... ] And adults learn that businesses like money, and showing businesses how they will lose money by making certain decisions can effect those decisions. Maybe you should take some more time to understand what is actually happening instead of making snide remarks about what you wrongly percieve is happening. ...and this contradict each other. Pretend for a second that your first claim is actually correct, that Adaptec does not want to sell hardware. Just what do you think you are accomplishing by trying to convince people not to buy Adaptec hardware, then? According to your words, that's exactly what Adaptec wants. If you want to draw valid conclusions, you need to start with valid premises. More precisely, if you assert A implies B, and A is shown to be false, you have demonstrated absolutely nothing about B. Of course, before you get to the point of being able to derive inferential conclusions using first-order logic, you need to be coherent enough to put together an argument which does not claim that A and not A are true at the same time. -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Adaptec AAC raid support
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Swiger Sent: zondag 20 maart 2005 17:18 To: Adam Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd list; Theo de Raadt Subject: Re: Adaptec AAC raid support I'd bet a dollar to a donut that LSI, Promise, 3ware, and other vendors of RAID hardware also have NDA agreements which would prevent those companies from making every single internal document available to the public. RANT Nobody ever asked they make 'every single internal document available to the public'. That is your own strawman. People do ask, however, that Adaptec makes enough documentation available to know when what commands to set to the chipset, and when to expect what to be returned. Especially if they themselves have not solved all bugs Let's pretend you're right, just for the sake of argument. Let's say that Adaptec could release all of their docs. Same deal; nobody ever asked they release 'all of their docs'. That is just your own twist. Besides, I'm quite sure you're wrong: Adaptec wants me and other potential customers to buy their products, just as any other hardware vendor would. In that case, Adaptec better get their act together. But I can assure you, and your Adaptec buddies, that, having followed this crazy discussion for too long, that I will never ever hereafter advise my boss to buy Adaptec any more. Not that they will feel the pinch, as I am just a small fish; but their attitude stinks up to high heaven. And yours too, I might add. Children learn to accept no in the process of growing up. News-flash: sometimes the customer says 'no' too; I hope they are grown-up enough to deal with that reality, too. :) They learn to deal with the world not giving them anything and everything the child might demand, the moment it is demanded. And if you want children to play with your toys, then you should tell them how they work! Otherwise, pretty soon you'll be sitting there all alone, with your big box of hardware, and all kids shunning you like the plague. /RANT - Mark ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slow Performance with OpenBSD's PF on 5.3-RELEASE
I wasn't quite sure where to start, so I just gave conf lines. The machine is not yet running DNS, DHCPd, etc. however once I have this ironed out I do intend to setup caching DNS and DHCPd. The problem seems to be with Internal LAN clients getting extremely slow speeds. Web pages load extremely slow, if at all. Externally, when I am fetching etc. to determine what speeds the actual machine is getting, it starts off slow then accelerates to 250-300KB/s, which it should be getting. On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:56:16 -0800, Thomas Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think more information might be required than just your conf files. What slow performance are you seeing? Are internal LAN clients having issues with using this computer as a firewall/router? Are you running an internal DNS? DHCPd? Just a start.. T - Original Message - From: Tomas Quintero [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 11:36 AM Subject: Slow Performance with OpenBSD's PF on 5.3-RELEASE I recently setup a box with 5.3 release and enabled PF in order to do NAT and eventually firewalling and bandwidth control when I become more acustom to the workings of PF. Regardless of which however, I'm having tremendous speed issues with the box currently. Here is my pf.conf: ext_if=rl1 int_if=xl0 int_net=192.168.1.0/24 nat on $ext_if from $int_net to any - $ext_if pass in all keep state pass out all keep state Here is my rc.conf: defaultrouter=63.135.xxx.xxx gateway_enable=YES hostname=ORCA. ifconfig_rl1=inet 63.135.xxx.xxx netmask 255.255.255.240 ifconfig_xl0=inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 linux_enable=YES sshd_enable=YES usbd_enable=YES pf_enable=yes pf_rules=/etc/pfrules.conf pf_flags= pflog_enable=YES pflog_logfile=/var/log/pflog pflog_flags= -- -Tomas Quintero ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -Tomas Quintero -- -Tomas Quintero ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ebay Phishing
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Christopher Nehren wrote: On 2005-03-20, Warren Block scribbled these curious markings: If you have your own mailserver, most of this can be rejected by using greylisting or by rejecting mail from dynamic Comcast IP addresses, while still allowing mail coming from Comcast's mail servers. Which is completely and totally unfair to those of us who *can* control our networks and who are more than likely being blamed for things that we aren't even doing (i.e. machines not on Comcast's network forging headers). Spam from genuine Comcast dynamic IP addresses is a serious problem. If someone needs to receive email from Comcast dynamic addresses, greylisting has no more serious effect than delaying it by half an hour. And the mailservers that Comcast provides for dynamic IP users can be whitelisted, so for users who smarthost through those servers there will be no delay or inconvenience at all. (FreeBSD relevant: /usr/ports/mail/milter-greylist) DNS blacklisting is one of the most unfair methods of stopping spam. This is quite a jump from greylisting. I was thinking more of looking up the Comcast listings from blackholes.us and then adding them to /etc/mail/access. It depends on the severity of the problem. It's a real pain in the neck for me to edit my Postfix configuration every time some pissy netadmin decides to blacklist a whole netblock because of one or two (ignorant) miscreants. What do you have to edit? If you're in Comcast dynamic space, why not just smarthost through their servers? -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD?
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Duo writes: And you failed to answer his question. Why not stop trying to avoid it by answering it. I did answer it. I asked for a product that provides ALL the features of Exchange. And he surely knows what all of the features of Exchange are, otherwise he could not say with confidence that other UNIX products provide them. No, you didnt. He asked you *directly* what features we are talking about. you launched into a diatribe. Once again, you cop out by assuming he surely knows all of the features. Stop avoiding, go back to the original mail, and answer the question. As for looking for non microsoft solutions, yes. There is a point to that. It's called voting with your pocketbook, and its a valid course of action in a capitalist society. Choosing to go outside a monopoly is a right. So you never buy Intel microprocessors, and you never buy anything with a zipper? (Remember, YKK has a virtual world monopoly on zippers.) I also do not go to Major League Baseball games, what's your point? We are talking software here, your diversionary attempt will not work with me, mon amie. And yes, looking for non MS solutions, for the sake of it, is a valid choice. Not for many corporate managers. They don't care whether it's Microsoft or not, as long as it's the best tool for the job. People don't usually reach the upper levels of management in large corporations by indulging emotional attachments to one vendor or another. To extrapolate your mickey mouse attempt at diversion, lets use how you would respond to this: YOU KNOW EVERY SINGLE CORPORATE MANAGER IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD? Who's talking emotion? Nobody mentioned feelings here but you. Bottom line is, other competitive software dosent get better, without a user base to use, offer feedback, etc. It's the only way some things get better. If you had been using Microsoft Mail (or its inferior predecessor, Network Courrier, which Microsoft bought, modified, and marketed as Microsoft Mail), you could have gone to Exchange and things would have gotten a lot better ... without ever leaving Microsoft. And now that embrace and extend has worked, Exchange, sits fairly stagnant. If for instance, I go with a product of MS, as opposed to a smaller OSS project, the OSS Project typically *cares* about the feedback I give it. It cares about the features I want and need. So does Microsoft. That's how it stays on top. It's all a bit amusing, since I remember when Microsoft was the underdog and the Great Satan was IBM or DEC. The names change, but the game remains the same, and the flying accusations are just as baseless today as they were back then. It's a pity that no discussion of software can be carried out these days without degenerating into religious jihads against Microsoft. I need a credit card before MS will talk to me. You need a stroke of good luck before someone working on open source will talk to you. Heh. With that statement, I have to question why you are even on this list. You are here, talking with people who work open source, shilling a M$ product. You have some balls. I'm still waiting for solutions to my SATA and SCSI problems. The Exchange solution might be best for a gold partner with M$, but overall, a very poor solution, which locks you into a feature set, and a company that has shown little concern for its base of customers. The success of the product would seem to belie your claim. A lot of organizations and users really like Exchange. So, because cockroaches are more successful, are they above humans? In regards to its use of JET, Jet2003 cannot handle any other process running against its datastore, because it dosent have the ability to cache and then commit like a REAL RDBMS. There's only one process running against the database in Exchange. I have yet to see anything on microcomputers that I'd call a real DBMS, but perhaps someone out there is coming close. Eventually they'll reinvent what mainframe programmers knew thirty-five years ago. This is such a non answer, you are about 3 steps away from the ole killfile. This is a problem for things such as virus scanning, and tight integration with an AD Environment, which is getting more and more replication based. In fact, some types of virus scanning can introduce data corruption of the store, which could lead to other issues. Step number one in any Exchange database failure is to turn off and deinstall all the antivirus junk running against it. heh. you amuse me sir. I'd tend to prefer to put antivirus stuff on the client, not on the server. Some users may not want their e-mail scanned for viruses. Power users, in particular, may not want any virus protections at all, since they know not to click on attachments and antivirus software all too often hashes the very system it's supposed to protect. What's more, the virus scanners that do run against Exchange's DB, also cost money, and typically require some more hardware. And
RE: oo.org unkillable process
I did. My version ports tree was just a week old. -Original Message- From: Martin Schweizer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: zondag 20 maart 2005 19:09 To: Freek Nossin Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: oo.org unkillable process Hello Freek I run OO since month without problems (also remote over ssh). X-Version? FreeBSD-Version? Did you make cvsuped fresh installation? Am Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 10:04:36AM +0100 Freek Nossin schrieb: Hello, I recently installed OO.org via the ports. When I start one of its applications the program freezes and I can't kill the process, not even as root with #kill -9 PID I found some related messages in the freebsd-current mailling list, but I could not find a solution. http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/htdig/freebsd-current/2004- November/042264. html http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/htdig/freebsd-current/2004- November/042162. html http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/htdig/freebsd-current/2004- November/04. html http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/htdig/freebsd-current/2004- November/042204. html http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/htdig/freebsd-current/2004- November/042488. html http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/htdig/freebsd-current/2004- November/042156. html Does anybody have an idea? Freek ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards Gruss Mit freundlichen Grüssen Martin Schweizer [EMAIL PROTECTED] PC-Service M. Schweizer GmbH; Bannholzstrasse 6; CH-8608 Bubikon Tel. +41 55 243 30 00; Fax: +41 55 243 33 22; http://www.pc-service.ch; public key : http://www.pc-service.ch/pgp/public_key.asc; fingerprint: EC21 CA4D 5C78 BC2D 73B7 10F9 C1AE 1691 D30F D239; ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Exchange server on FreeBSD?
Duo wrote: Please, spare me. Welcome to the killfile, troll. You are the most uncouth, evasive, unprofessional troll I have seen on this list. One wonders why you are even on it, as you take every chance you get to try to stomp on people who actually work to improve open souce. *plonk* -- Duo Easy mate - this guy does this and has a history of spewing from both ends. It aint worth it. For that matter, it's not worth it to have this continue in the list. Just ignore it - it may go away. -- Best regards, Chris A fool and his money soon go partying. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adaptec AAC raid support
On Mar 20, 2005, at 3:28 PM, Mark wrote: I'd bet a dollar to a donut that LSI, Promise, 3ware, and other vendors of RAID hardware also have NDA agreements which would prevent those companies from making every single internal document available to the public. RANT Nobody ever asked they make 'every single internal document available to the public'. That is your own strawman. People do ask, however, that Adaptec makes enough documentation available to know when what commands to set to the chipset, and when to expect what to be returned. Especially if they themselves have not solved all bugs I didn't create a strawman argument, you can go read what what was said yourself. Please refer to this exchange between Theo and Scott in Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED], which ended with: No, I can't now and never could before give out docs, but I've always been happy to help, review code, point out bugs, etc. Why is it that Scott cannot release the docs being referred to here? I'll give you a hint: what is a three-letter word which limits an employee from releasing information proprietary to his current or former employer? Theo demanded information from Adaptec and from Scott. He got told no. [ At least Theo seems to understand the situation, or to use his own words: Noone thought to talk to you. You are, I am sure, under a non-disclosure agreement with Adaptec, and I am sure you would therefore not give us documentation. We are quite used to FreeBSD and Linux people signing NDA's by now ] -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Frequent loss of contact with ISP
I reciently upgraded my home computer to FreeBSD 5.3 p5. Sense then I've had minor problems connecting to my ISP. During boot up it will sometimes freeze at the line, Configuring syscons: keymap blanktime. or I'll lose contact with my ISP while sending an email or surfing the web. From an earlier posting to this forum I found that Ctrl+C will let the system finishing the boot up. Then I can easily connect to my ISP by running /etc/netstart as root. Everything works fine at least for a while. However, sooner or later I'll lose the conection again. I have not been able to discern a pattern to the disconnects either. Yet as soon as I run netstart again everything works again. It can be hours before I the lose the connection or sometimes I'll lose the connection again within twenty minutes. I've searched for a permanent fix by looking throught this forum. But I havn't found anything yet. Though that might be because I don't quite know how to search! :-) I am a newbie using FreeBSD so any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you, Ned ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Invalid Gateway IPv4 Address Specified
Hi, i'm installing FreeBSD on my desktop, almost everything went fine, except when i try to setup my connection. The scenario: a static-ip, a direct connection to a router (which i do NOT have ANY control over it) and a outside DNS server. When trying to enter the gateway ip (10.0.0.9) through sysinstall, a box appears on the screen: Invalid Gateway IPv4 Address Specified. And that's it. Therefore i've tried including defaultrouter=10.0.0.9 in /etc/rc.conf, and restarted net, my computer still excluded from outside world. Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adaptec AAC raid support
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:27:13 -0500, Charles Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pretend for a second that your first claim is actually correct, that Adaptec does not want to sell hardware. Just what do you think you are accomplishing by trying to convince people not to buy Adaptec hardware, then? According to your words, that's exactly what Adaptec wants. Your reading comprehension skills are sorely lacking. Nobody is trying to convince people not to buy adaptec hardware. Adaptec has convinced people themselves. Those people are just informing Adaptec of that fact. Why are you so desperate to try to stop other people's efforts to obtain information? Nobody is asking you to do anything. You are free to use whatever you want. Just stop spreading lies and misinformation about other people's efforts that you clearly don't understand. Adam ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aac support
Mark Keating wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tobias Weingartner Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:54 PM To: Sean Hafeez Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: aac support On Saturday, March 19, Sean Hafeez wrote: There has got to be a better way to work with the vendors in order to get the support we need. It just seem to me that the screw you guys, I am going home stuff just does not work. Other approaches have been tried. Extensively, and for a long time. If you know of an approach that works, please demonstrate. At this point, I believe that the community would welcome someone that is going to step up, and have adaptec supply the documentation because they negotiated it out of them. Words here are cheap... but at the current time, they are the only thing we really have left. The voice of the community. The vendors need a business case in order to do things - they are in business to make money and I can agree with that. They have a business case. More than one. 1800+ cards is not a business case? The points I brought up are not a business case? The bad press and such are not a business case? Give me a break. --Toby. I work for one of these vendors. I know the release of documentation on one of the RAID controllers this company shipped for several years was not based on logic, let alone a $ amount. The decision was left to a single manager who waffled back and forth about whether the information should be released. The engineer who was pushing for the docs to be available eventually published them on a web site, indicating his company email address as a point of contact. It was a gutsy, yet arbitrary decision on his part that led to the opening of docs. After the release of the docs, the company started publishing their 'friedliness' to OSS. My experience tells me the only way to get the attention of people in a large company like Adaptec is to take drastic measures. If this means emailing people who can affect change until they are sufficiently annoyed to make a decision one way or another, so be it. It is most likely one of the few methods that will work. There is most likely a single person who will make the decision and it may boil down to whether they are having a good day or not. If their response is 'no', it will be stated that this is due to 'contractual obligations', 'intellectual property', 'on the advice of our lawyers..' or some other rubbish. As a user of OpenBSD, I am glad to see this stance taken (again). The people I admire in life are the people that stand up for their principles and are true to themselves and their beliefs. The people I despise are those that gladly sacrifice their stated beliefs to increase their wealth or comfort. OpenBSD does not support all of the hw I use. This is due to some of the hw being 'closed'. Some of it is not supported because the developers have not had enough interest in writing the driver. I did what I could by providing hw to some of the developers in the hope that it will be supported one day. Some of this hw is made by the company I work for, but it had to be provided out of my pocket because the company is too short sighted to see the benefit of providing hw to the OpenBSD team. They do freely use OpenSSH in a number of products however... It is unpopular these days to speak directly on issues. In my lowly opinion, Theo can be abrasive at times and I do not always agree with him. He seems to be morally and intellectually honest, and this is rare. The operating system he and the rest of the developers have given to us is true to their stated goals and has served me very well. For all of these reasons, I stand behind the OpenBSD team and will add Adaptec to the list of vendors I will not use or recommend (Intel, Broadcom, etc). mark I just wanted to echo your assertion that the decision to release documentation is often arbitrary, and almost always misinformed on the part of the decision maker(s). Recently, I've been involved in an off list conversation with Theo largely on this issue. Off list only because I needed to introduce myself to him, and didn't want to bore the world with personal details. However, a little on list boring might be useful at this point. I'm heavily involved with digital intellectual property but I'm also a programmer. As a result, I can usually understand and speak the various languages with the various parties in such a way they can actually understand what each party is concerned with. I've found that surprisingly the various groups controlling access to technical information in companies really in fact do not understand the issues involved very well. In my experience programmers can't communicate well with managers, managers can't communicate well with lawyers, and lawyers can't
Re: Frequent loss of contact with ISP
Ned Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I reciently upgraded my home computer to FreeBSD 5.3 p5. Sense then I've had minor problems connecting to my ISP. During boot up it will sometimes freeze at the line, Configuring syscons: keymap blanktime. or I'll lose contact with my ISP while sending an email or surfing the web. From an earlier posting to this forum I found that Ctrl+C will let the system finishing the boot up. Then I can easily connect to my ISP by running /etc/netstart as root. Everything works fine at least for a while. However, sooner or later I'll lose the conection again. I have not been able to discern a pattern to the disconnects either. Yet as soon as I run netstart again everything works again. It can be hours before I the lose the connection or sometimes I'll lose the connection again within twenty minutes. I've searched for a permanent fix by looking throught this forum. But I havn't found anything yet. Though that might be because I don't quite know how to search! :-) I am a newbie using FreeBSD so any suggestions would be appreciated. Spend a little time in the /var/log directory and see if anything is being logged around the time you lose connection. Also, more clearly defining lose connection would help. What does ifconfig say when the connection is up and when it's down? The difference between those two outputs may lead you toward a solution. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Invalid Gateway IPv4 Address Specified
Augusto Cesar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, i'm installing FreeBSD on my desktop, almost everything went fine, except when i try to setup my connection. The scenario: a static-ip, a direct connection to a router (which i do NOT have ANY control over it) and a outside DNS server. When trying to enter the gateway ip (10.0.0.9) through sysinstall, a box appears on the screen: Invalid Gateway IPv4 Address Specified. And that's it. Therefore i've tried including defaultrouter=10.0.0.9 in /etc/rc.conf, and restarted net, my computer still excluded from outside world. What is your IP address/netmask? What's the output of 'netstat -rn'? Not enough information to be sure, but my first guess (based on the source code for sysinstall) is that you're specifying an IP for the gateway that is not reachable based on the IP/netmask for the interface. For example: If your IP/netmask is 172.16.0.1/255.255.255.0, then the system has no way to reach 10.0.0.9. If that's not the problem, the I suggest collecting some more detailed information and posting again. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adaptec AAC raid support
On Mar 20, 2005, at 4:31 PM, Adam wrote: Pretend for a second that your first claim is actually correct, that Adaptec does not want to sell hardware. Just what do you think you are accomplishing by trying to convince people not to buy Adaptec hardware, then? According to your words, that's exactly what Adaptec wants. Your reading comprehension skills are sorely lacking. I can't make sense of nonsense, but that proves nothing about my reading skills. You've done a careful job of excerpting prior context away to avoid demonstrating the contradiction your words show. Do you recognize the author who inspired by remark about A and not A? Who was it that said Non-contradiction...A is A? Nobody is trying to convince people not to buy adaptec hardware. Adaptec has convinced people themselves. Those people are just informing Adaptec of that fact. And dropping AAC support from OpenBSD 3.7 has nothing to do with it...? Such a claim is disingenuous and dishonest. Why are you so desperate to try to stop other people's efforts to obtain information? I hope open source projects obtain more information from hardware vendors. I oppose efforts to force people to make choices they would not willingly make themselves. That includes the right of a company to keep some information private if they so choose. Nobody is asking you to do anything. You are free to use whatever you want. Just stop spreading lies and misinformation about other people's efforts that you clearly don't understand. First you say you aren't asking me to do anything, yet two sentences later you try to tell me to stop doing something you claim I'm doing. Contradicting yourself again? Hypocracy isn't one of your prettier failings, Adam. -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Adaptec
Since the original Adaptec guy Doug has blocked his mail, here is the email address of the next person at Adaptec who is involved in this. He has also previously indicated that he would be involved in any decision to provide documentation on the aac RAID management interface. Marty Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Product Manager Adaptec, Inc. (919) 287-2045 Sorry Marty, but you are only getting comments from your customers. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wow ! 5.3 - 5.4 -
Hello dear people @ freebsd something wonderfull ( at least in my case ) happened since the last update of the base system on a sony vaio laptop ( CPU: Intel Pentium III (694.84-MHz 686-class CPU) ) before, when the machine was compiling, it was getting at 82 degrees with 100% CPU now, with 100% CPU it gets at maximum 52 degrees. what happened between 5.3 and 5.4-PRERELEASE ? thanks alot, alex -- ** acme aka Alex D'Elia ** http://root.acme.com ** priv:: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** work:: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adaptec
I'm sorry, but aside from the chain of emails subject'd Adaptec AAC raid support, what good does this email serve to the freebsd-questions@ mailing lists? The only thing this is doing is perpetuating the cycle of emails which is simply clogging inboxes. While some of the discussion may be constructive or useful in the other thread, this is not. Try and keep your subjects together so I can archive them more easily and not be forced to read over more. If anything, this sort of email belongs entirely on your misc lists, not the freebsd lists. -Tomas Quintero FreeBSD User On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:10:29 -0700, Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since the original Adaptec guy Doug has blocked his mail, here is the email address of the next person at Adaptec who is involved in this. He has also previously indicated that he would be involved in any decision to provide documentation on the aac RAID management interface. Marty Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Product Manager Adaptec, Inc. (919) 287-2045 Sorry Marty, but you are only getting comments from your customers. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adaptec
Well, Tomas, The issue is that not all FreeBSD users accept a dependency on binary-only non-free components. Some of them do care. Perhaps not you, but some of them do. I'm sorry, but aside from the chain of emails subject'd Adaptec AAC raid support, what good does this email serve to the freebsd-questions@ mailing lists? The only thing this is doing is perpetuating the cycle of emails which is simply clogging inboxes. No, Tomas, you are incorrect. Yes, thousands of mails are being sent to Adaptec right now, but these mails are coming from their CUSTOMERS. Now if I was a company and I was doing something that pissed off my customers, I would like to know, that's for sure. So your use of the word clogging is incorrect. While some of the discussion may be constructive or useful in the other thread, this is not. No, Tomas, it is entirely useful. It is due to activism actions like this that the documentation for many many chipsets was freed up, for years now, chipsets which I am sure YOU are using on your machine RIGHT NOW. I have been at this for 10 years now, and I am sure you have not. It has been a momentous struggle, and it is not over yet. Try and keep your subjects together so I can archive them more easily and not be forced to read over more. If anything, this sort of email belongs entirely on your misc lists, not the freebsd lists. It belongs whereveer there are people who care about being able to have drivers for their hardware. Otherwise what you are asking for is simply ... that the developer's hands be tied. Flat out, you are wrong. This affects everyone. -Tomas Quintero FreeBSD User On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:10:29 -0700, Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since the original Adaptec guy Doug has blocked his mail, here is the email address of the next person at Adaptec who is involved in this. He has also previously indicated that he would be involved in any decision to provide documentation on the aac RAID management interface. Marty Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Product Manager Adaptec, Inc. (919) 287-2045 Sorry Marty, but you are only getting comments from your customers. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Invalid Gateway IPv4 Address Specified
Bill Moran wrote: What is your IP address/netmask? What's the output of 'netstat -rn'? Not enough information to be sure, but my first guess (based on the source code for sysinstall) is that you're specifying an IP for the gateway that is not reachable based on the IP/netmask for the interface. For example: If your IP/netmask is 172.16.0.1/255.255.255.0, then the system has no way to reach 10.0.0.9. If that's not the problem, the I suggest collecting some more detailed information and posting again. The netmask was the problem, thanks! Shame on me for not thinking of it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ebay Phishing
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:08:49 -0800 Michael C. Shultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: || ||On Sunday 20 March 2005 11:53 am, Bob Ababurko wrote: || Gerard Seibert wrote: || On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:22:23 -0600 Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] ||wrote: || ||Robert Slade wrote: || || Hi all, || || || || Is it just me, but I've had 2 Ebay Phishing e-mails to this || || e-mail address that I only use for this mail list. Both mails || || where from Comcast users !! || || || || Rob || || || ||Sounds like someone from Comcast is on this list AND using a || || Windows box AND is infected. || || || ||Shame on you || || || ||-- || ||Best regards, || ||Chris || || || ||If you have always done it that way, it is probably wrong. || || ** Reply Separator ** || Sunday, March 20, 2005 1:35:28 PM || || 1) Did you actually confirm that the email originated from Comcast || 2) Did you report the email to Comcast as well as [EMAIL PROTECTED] || 3) Why does it have to be a Windows box? Anyone can access this || forum and harvest email addresses. || || -- || Gerard Seibert || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || They say that a dog is man's best friend. I do not believe that. How || many of your friends have you had neutered? || || It is most likely it is a windows box that has been copromised due to || one of the slew of M$ vulnerabilities. Some crafty programmer has || turned this box into a zombie and installed a mailing package or a || proxy server and is sending mail from it in concert with thousands of || others just like it...al behind one keyboard. || || -Bob || || ||Just to be fair towards the OS used by common folk, a few months ago I ||set up a gateway machine with FreeBSD 4.11 and made the mistake of ||running it on my DSL line without first setting up a firewall, shutting ||off sendmail and unused ports. (due to lazyness impatience on my part) || ||It took only a few hours for someone to find the open relay and use it! ||I didn't even know until Verizon sent me an email saying I was a bad ||boy and they were shutting off my email access for 24 hours, which they ||did! Bottom line is it can happen to anyone. || ||-Mike ** Reply Separator ** Sunday, March 20, 2005 5:17:20 PM Thanks Mike, that is exactly my point. Far to many individuals blame Microsoft for every conceivable thing that happens without first fully investigating the actual event. There is a very good chance that Microsoft software may be at the heart of this matter; there is also a change that O.J. Simpson is innocent, but we do not really have to go there. For all we know, these addresses could be harvested by an individual using a MAC. The point is that as soon as someone starts using an OS other than Microsoft, they are lulled into a totally false sense of security, which anyone with any real knowledge knows is simply BS. If someone like yourself can make a mistake like you described, think how easy it is for a novice to accomplish the same feat. Worse yet, they will not even be aware that they have compromised either their own or some others security because of their incompetence. -- Gerard Seibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Support your local medical examiner; die strangely! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adaptec
There is no problem with giving FreeBSD users who really do want free software, and freedom of choice, the contact information for who to talk to at Adaptec. Everyone in the Free Software industry should be telling all hardware companies what they think about their ways of doing business, whether it's good or bad. Jason On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:22:16 -0500, Tomas Quintero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry, but aside from the chain of emails subject'd Adaptec AAC raid support, what good does this email serve to the freebsd-questions@ mailing lists? The only thing this is doing is perpetuating the cycle of emails which is simply clogging inboxes. While some of the discussion may be constructive or useful in the other thread, this is not. Try and keep your subjects together so I can archive them more easily and not be forced to read over more. If anything, this sort of email belongs entirely on your misc lists, not the freebsd lists. -Tomas Quintero FreeBSD User On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:10:29 -0700, Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since the original Adaptec guy Doug has blocked his mail, here is the email address of the next person at Adaptec who is involved in this. He has also previously indicated that he would be involved in any decision to provide documentation on the aac RAID management interface. Marty Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Product Manager Adaptec, Inc. (919) 287-2045 Sorry Marty, but you are only getting comments from your customers. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 5.3-release-p5 pptp stoped working
Géczi Szabolcs wrote: after I made a cvsup and buildworld my pptp doesn't work well. the clients can authenticate succesfully but they cannot reach subnet except the tunnel's endpoint ip which is 192.168.1.1. naturally my ppp/pptp configuration are unchanged. What version were you upgrading *from*? And what kind of PPTP software are you using? There are some notes in /usr/src/UPDATING regarding netgraph and mpd. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adaptec
Mr. Turner, I am very disappointed that Doug is no longer accepting emails from Adaptec customers. I hope it is not Adaptec policy to just disregard all customers when they start telling you how they feel about your hardware and business practices. Previous talks with an ex-employee from Adaptec has led me to believe that Adaptec does indeed just disregard their customers, because he stated that Why do you think Adaptec should care about an OS that only has a small To get the full quote, just ask Doug, as I forwarded that message to him along with my reply. It seems that this is probably a running theme with Adaptec employees to just disregard customers, but Theo has counted over 1,800 AAC-style raid controllers in the OpenBSD community alone, and many other communities would benefit as well. If Adaptec doesn't care about a community that can account for thousands of Adaptec products, not just raid controllers, then you are sending the message that your customers should not care about Adaptec anymore, and take their business elsewhere. If that's what Adaptec wants, keep up your current communication, or lack there of. Adaptec will be losing many, many customers if this is not remedied. Jason Crawford ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slow FreeBSD 5.3 console on Sparc Blade 100
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 02:28:10PM +1030, Bevan Coleman wrote: I've just installed FreeBSD 5.3 onto a Sun Spac Blade 100 desktop machine and have found that the console is slow behond useability press key... wait 3 seconds...press next key). OpenSSL and serial consoles are all fine with good performance, but I was hoping to be able to use X on this machine. Is this a know issue? or have I just not loaded the correct driver / used the correct kernel switch...? You're using the openfirmware console, which is indeed extremely slow. If you want to try syscons, see the freebsd-sparc64 mailing list archives for extensive discussion. Kris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: server crash panic: spin lock held too long
On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 09:06:17AM +0100, Gerard Meijer wrote: Hi I have a P4 2.6Mhz running on FreeBSD 5.3. Every few days the server crashes. When it crashes it says: spin lock sleepq chain held by 0xc1eb7640 for 5 seconds panic: spin lock held too long Uptime: 2d3h56m36s Anybody any idea how I can fix this? See the chapter on kernel debugging in the developers' handbook to learn how to obtain the necessary information for a developer to begin investigating this. Also make sure you're running with all of the 5.3 errata patches, and consider updating to 5.4-PRERELEASE to see if it's fixed already. Kris pgpTlx9NTj3QH.pgp Description: PGP signature
cvsup:make -j4 buildworld - trouble
Please, help me with my problem: make -j4 buildworld give me this error: === gnu/lib/libg2c sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 libg2c.a /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 /usr/src/gnu/lib/libg2c/g2c.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -s -o root -g wheel -m 444 libg2c.so.1 /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib ln -fs libg2c.so.1 /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libg2c.so 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error What it is mean how to solve the problem? ___ http://www.bigmir.net - ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cvsup:make -j4 buildworld - trouble
On Sunday 20 March 2005 03:24 pm, Victor Mel'nichenko wrote: Please, help me with my problem: make -j4 buildworld give me this error: === gnu/lib/libg2c sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 libg2c.a /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 /usr/src/gnu/lib/libg2c/g2c.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -s -o root -g wheel -m 444 libg2c.so.1 /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib ln -fs libg2c.so.1 /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libg2c.so 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error What it is mean how to solve the problem? With the -j4, you don't know what is causing the problem. It is overlapped and hidden. Redo the buildworld with out -j4 and you will see what the real error is. What are you trying to build? Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
