Re: installing linux after freebsd (multi-boot)
,--[ On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 09:03:08AM +0530, अनुज Anuj Singh wrote: [snipped] | On 30/12/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Hello , | I have freebsd6.2 installed with Fedora core 7 and rhe4. | I am installing rhel5 , when linux installation process starts I get an | error of /dev/hdc1 busy , can not report to kernel about partition | layout. In the past I installed linux then FreeBSD. | Is there some method that rhel5 installation can skip /dev/hdc1 | (freebsd slice) ? saving my freebsd installation You get /dev/hdc1 busy error. At which step in installation, you get /dev/hdc1 busy error, hmm...? Are you trying to remove '/dev/hdc1' (FreeBSD slice), if yes, then you'll get error, and you probably need to remove FreeBSD partitions (present in slice) first. [snipped] | Hi, | 1. I am trying to fresh install over single disk. | 2. I have FreeBSD6.2 slice on first primary partition of the disk. There should be absolutely no problem in installing RHEL5, even GNU/Linux can read FreeBSD disklabels (and partitions) without any problem :) . | can I have a look at your partition table ? Here is mine, I'm running Ubuntu Linux, which is installed after FreeBSD. Disk /dev/sdb: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x00083e09 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 * 1261120972826 a5 FreeBSD /dev/sdb22612922953159085 83 Linux /dev/sdb392309254 200812 83 Linux Partition 3 does not end on cylinder boundary. /dev/sdb49255 1945781955597+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/sdb59255 1537349150836 83 Linux /dev/sdb6 15374 1932931776538+ 83 Linux /dev/sdb7 19330 19457 1028128+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris | I have IDE hard disk. Mine is SATA disk, but that should make no difference :) | Regards. | Anuj singh anugunj HTH -- Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल http://wahjava.wordpress.com/ ·-- ·- ·--- ·- ···- ·- ·--·-· --· -- ·- ·· ·-·· ·-·-·- -·-· --- -- signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: remote x session
Jonathan Horne wrote: well, the part i didnt mention before, was the method behind the madness. its actually a jail-host, with 3 jails running. my intention, is to keep the latest of kde, gnome, and xfce built on each, and just remotely attach to (or forward) its x session from my main workstation. i vision it basically working just like when i sit down to my workstation, and type 'startx'. cheers, Hmmm well may I ask why you want such a setup ? The only advantages I can see are to keep your main-workstation free of the builds for your WMs and the fact that your main system remains somewhat cleaner. But I doubt it will weigh up against the time-costs for your X11 forwarding ? Or am I missing something ? Regards, -- -Frank Staals ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boot Menu Damaged
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:17:51 -0500 E. J. Cerejo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm running FreeBSD 6 stable and I lost my boot menu after reinstalling xp and tried to fix it by booting with instalation cd and run fdisk -B -b /boot/boot0 /dev/ad0 it restored it but when I boot I get the mountroot prompt, it fails to mount ad0s2a, b, c, d. Is it possible to fix this or do I have to reinstall freebsd? What does 'bsdlabel /dev/ad0s2' say? -- Nikola Lečić :: Никола Лечић ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is it possible to mount OpenBSD FFS partitions in FreeBSD?
Hi list, I'm in the mid of migrating my workstation from OpenBSD/amd64 to FreeBSD/amd64. I have three hard discs installed in it (two identical 250GByte SATA300, and one 500GByte SATA300 drive). When still running OpenBSD, I copied all data I want to transfer to the 500GByte drive; I plan to run the two 250GByte HDs as RAID1 when running FreeBSD. Prior to installing FreeBSD on this machine, I grabbed the 500GByte HD (with one single OpenBSD FFS partition on it, 'wd2a' in OpenBSD speak) and tried to mount it on a FreeBSD machine. Unfortunately, this doesn't work, but I'm pretty sure it should. I probably don't use the right parameter: # mount /dev/ad8s1a /mnt/ mount: /dev/ad8s1a : No such file or directory (I thought that the first -- and only -- partition on OpenBSD would show up as 'slice 1' on FreeBSD.) Help greatly appreciated -- thank you! Seth ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dlopen(), atexit() on FreeBSD
On 2007-12-30 18:49, Markus Hoenicka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I bumped into a platform-specific problem when using the Firebird
database client library in a dlopen()ed module on FreeBSD. libdbi
(http://libdbi.sourceforge.net) is a database abstraction layer which
dlopen()s available database drivers at runtime to provide
connectivity to various database engines. This design works without
problems on a variety of platforms and with a variety of database
client libraries, but causes a segfault with Firebird on FreeBSD:
#0 0x28514fe4 in ?? ()
#1 0x281507c3 in __cxa_finalize () from /lib/libc.so.6
#2 0x281503fe in exit () from /lib/libc.so.6
#3 0x0804a40f in main (argc=1, argv=0xbfbfe754) at test_dbi.c:419
The application crashes when exit() is called. Googling told me that
__cxa_finalize () is invoked by atexit(). Our drivers and apps do not
use this function, but the firebird client libraries do:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/prog/libdbi-drivers/tests# grep atexit
/usr/local/lib/libfb*
Binary file /usr/local/lib/libfbclient.so matches
Binary file /usr/local/lib/libfbembed.so matches
Googling also told me that the conflict between atexit() and dlopen()
on FreeBSD is a known problem, see e.g.:
http://www.imagemagick.org/pipermail/magick-developers/2006-March/002523.html
Is there anything I can do about this from my end?
The __cxa_finalize() function is not called by atexit(), but by exit()
itself. I don't know of any way to `unregister' exit handlers, so one
way of `fixing' this is to avoid calling dlclose() before exit() in the
example code shown at the URL above:
% #include stdio.h
% #include dlfcn.h
%
% int main( int argc, char ** argv)
% {
% void * handle;
% const char * mod = /usr/local/lib/libMagick.so;
% void (*InitializeMagick)(const char*);
%
% handle = dlopen( mod, RTLD_LAZY);
% if ( !handle) {
% fprintf( stderr, cannot load %s\n, mod);
% exit(1);
% }
%
% (void*) InitializeMagick = dlsym( handle, InitializeMagick);
% if ( !InitializeMagick) {
% fprintf( stderr, cannot resolve InitializeMagick\n);
% exit(1);
% }
%
% InitializeMagick( moo);
% dlclose( handle);
% }
Since the program is going to exit and have all its dlopened shared
objects be unmapped, it's probably ok to skip the dlclose() step in
this example.
In the case of the firebird libraries, since they are libraries things
are a bit trickier, because the consumers of these libraries don't
really know that a dlopened object has called atexit() :(
I think this is probably something that the freebsd-hackers list will
be interested in. Can you post a description of the problem there too?
- Giorgos
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Is it possible to mount OpenBSD FFS partitions in FreeBSD?
[Second try, first email disappeared in the way to the list server...?] Hi list, I'm in the mid of migrating my workstation from OpenBSD/amd64 to FreeBSD/amd64. I have three hard discs installed in it (two identical 250GByte SATA300, and one 500GByte SATA300 drive). When still running OpenBSD, I copied all data I want to transfer to the 500GByte drive; I plan to run the two 250GByte HDs as RAID1 when running FreeBSD. Prior to installing FreeBSD on this machine, I grabbed the 500GByte HD (with one single OpenBSD FFS partition on it, 'wd2a' in OpenBSD speak) and tried to mount it on a FreeBSD machine. Unfortunately, this doesn't work, but I'm pretty sure it should. I probably don't use the right parameter: # mount /dev/ad8s1a /mnt/ mount: /dev/ad8s1a : No such file or directory (I thought that the first -- and only -- partition on OpenBSD would show up as 'slice 1' on FreeBSD.) Help greatly appreciated -- thank you! Seth ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it possible to mount OpenBSD FFS partitions in FreeBSD?
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:58:17 +0100 Seth Brundle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] # mount /dev/ad8s1a /mnt/ mount: /dev/ad8s1a : No such file or directory (I thought that the first -- and only -- partition on OpenBSD would show up as 'slice 1' on FreeBSD.) (The disk area occupied by OpenBSD is a slice, whilst BSD-style chunk(s) within are partitions.) Is it possible to mount it just with 'mount /dev/ad8s1 /mnt'? -- Nikola Lečić :: Никола Лечић ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it possible to mount OpenBSD FFS partitions in FreeBSD?
2007/12/31, Nikola Lečić [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:58:17 +0100 Seth Brundle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] # mount /dev/ad8s1a /mnt/ mount: /dev/ad8s1a : No such file or directory (I thought that the first -- and only -- partition on OpenBSD would show up as 'slice 1' on FreeBSD.) (The disk area occupied by OpenBSD is a slice, whilst BSD-style chunk(s) within are partitions.) Is it possible to mount it just with 'mount /dev/ad8s1 /mnt'? Thanks for your fast reply; # mount /dev/ad8s1 /mnt mount: /dev/ad8s1 : No such file or directory Also tried this before, doesn't work. The main problem for me is that I don't know the way the OpenBSD disc appears to FreeBSD, layout-wise. A ``disklabel ad8'' to have a peek also doesn't work: # disklabel ad8 disklabel: /dev/ad8: no valid label found Thanks, Seth -- Nikola Lečić :: Никола Лечић ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it possible to mount OpenBSD FFS partitions in FreeBSD?
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:16:50 +0100 Seth Brundle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/12/31, Nikola Lečić [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:58:17 +0100 Seth Brundle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] # mount /dev/ad8s1a /mnt/ mount: /dev/ad8s1a : No such file or directory (I thought that the first -- and only -- partition on OpenBSD would show up as 'slice 1' on FreeBSD.) (The disk area occupied by OpenBSD is a slice, whilst BSD-style chunk(s) within are partitions.) Is it possible to mount it just with 'mount /dev/ad8s1 /mnt'? Thanks for your fast reply; # mount /dev/ad8s1 /mnt mount: /dev/ad8s1 : No such file or directory Also tried this before, doesn't work. The main problem for me is that I don't know the way the OpenBSD disc appears to FreeBSD, layout-wise. A ``disklabel ad8'' to have a peek also doesn't work: Ah sorry, I misunderstood you; the ad8 is dedicated to OpenBSD in its entirety? In that case I'm pretty sure that, in standard cases, it should be possible to mounted it as /dev/ad8. (Yes, you wrote that it's seen as wd2a from OpenBSD.) (Btw, what does 'ls /dev/ad*' show?) # disklabel ad8 disklabel: /dev/ad8: no valid label found This is expected, BSD labels are not compatible among BSDs: The various BSDs all use slightly different versions of BSD labels and are not generally compatible. (from bsdlabel(8) manpage). That's why you can't (by default) see BSD labels created by another BSD. However, I know that first partition of a NetBSD slice/disk can be mounted from FreeBSD _without_ partition-letter addition (e.g. ad8 will represent what you would expect to be ad8a -- it the disk is dedicated -- and ad8s1 will represent what you would expect to be ad8s1a -- if the disk is sliced), but maybe OpenBSD does something differently. -- Nikola Lečić :: Никола Лечић ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it possible to mount OpenBSD FFS partitions in FreeBSD?
2007/12/31, Nikola Lečić [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:16:50 +0100 Seth Brundle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/12/31, Nikola Lečić [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:58:17 +0100 Seth Brundle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] # mount /dev/ad8s1a /mnt/ mount: /dev/ad8s1a : No such file or directory (I thought that the first -- and only -- partition on OpenBSD would show up as 'slice 1' on FreeBSD.) (The disk area occupied by OpenBSD is a slice, whilst BSD-style chunk(s) within are partitions.) Is it possible to mount it just with 'mount /dev/ad8s1 /mnt'? Thanks for your fast reply; # mount /dev/ad8s1 /mnt mount: /dev/ad8s1 : No such file or directory Also tried this before, doesn't work. The main problem for me is that I don't know the way the OpenBSD disc appears to FreeBSD, layout-wise. A ``disklabel ad8'' to have a peek also doesn't work: Ah sorry, I misunderstood you; the ad8 is dedicated to OpenBSD in its entirety? Yes. Just a big fat place to put files. In that case I'm pretty sure that, in standard cases, it should be possible to mounted it as /dev/ad8. (Yes, you wrote that it's seen as wd2a from OpenBSD.) (Btw, what does 'ls /dev/ad*' show?) What it should ;) # ls /dev/ad* /dev/ad4/dev/ad4s1b /dev/ad4s1e /dev/ad6 /dev/ad4s1 /dev/ad4s1c /dev/ad4s1f /dev/ad6s4 /dev/ad4s1a /dev/ad4s1d /dev/ad4s1g /dev/ad8 # disklabel ad8 disklabel: /dev/ad8: no valid label found This is expected, BSD labels are not compatible among BSDs: The various BSDs all use slightly different versions of BSD labels and are not generally compatible. (from bsdlabel(8) manpage). Thanks, didn't check it yet. That's why you can't (by default) see BSD labels created by another BSD. However, I know that first partition of a NetBSD slice/disk can be mounted from FreeBSD _without_ partition-letter addition (e.g. ad8 will represent what you would expect to be ad8a -- it the disk is dedicated -- and ad8s1 will represent what you would expect to be ad8s1a -- if the disk is sliced), but maybe OpenBSD does something differently. Obviously, yes. AFAIR they have their own identifier, too (read: There's a NetBSD identifier as well as an OpenBSD one)... Okay, I think I'll set up another machine running OpenBSD, migrate my workstation to FreeBSD and copy the stuff over the net... (Most convenient way, AFAICS.) Thanks, Nikola! :) -- Nikola Lečić :: Никола Лечић ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it possible to mount OpenBSD FFS partitions in FreeBSD?
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:44:33 +0100 Seth Brundle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # ls /dev/ad* /dev/ad4/dev/ad4s1b /dev/ad4s1e /dev/ad6 /dev/ad4s1 /dev/ad4s1c /dev/ad4s1f /dev/ad6s4 /dev/ad4s1a /dev/ad4s1d /dev/ad4s1g /dev/ad8 Just for the record, 'mount /dev/ad8 /mnt' works? -- Nikola Lečić :: Никола Лечић ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pkg_delete: package 'xorg-drivers-7.3' doesn't have a prefix
Peter Boosten wrote, on 12/30/07 18:04: Quoting Eric Crist [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Dec 28, 2007, at 12:47 PM, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: Mon Si wrote: Dear list, I'm experiencing problems when I try to portupgrade the xorg-driver port. The old version of the port can't be uninstalled during the portupgrade due to an undefined prefix. The port can't be deleted by pkg_delete -f xorg-drivers-7.3 Does anybody know how to upgrade / remove this port? Thanks in advance, Simon If nothing else works, you could try rm -rf /var/db/pkg/xorg-drivers-7.3 If I remember correctly, there are detailed instructions in /usr/ports/UPDATING -- go back to notes for sometime in May of 2007, and there's a really long entry on upgraded to Xorg 7.x from 6.9. I think the entry specifically mentions 7.2, but it should work for 7.3 as well. The following worked for me: In /usr/ports/x11-drivers/xorg-drivers do make config then portupgrade -f xorg-drivers Peter Thanks a lot for the suggestions! Removing /var/db/pkg/xorg-drivers-7.3 worked, the make config portupgrade -f xorg-drivers method gave me the same error message as before. However I don't really understand why this prefix thing shows up well after the upgrade from 6.9 to 7.2. Perhaps I cvsup'd at a bad time. Simon -- -- -- -- GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it possible to mount OpenBSD FFS partitions in FreeBSD?
2007/12/31, Nikola Lečić [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:44:33 +0100 Seth Brundle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # ls /dev/ad* /dev/ad4/dev/ad4s1b /dev/ad4s1e /dev/ad6 /dev/ad4s1 /dev/ad4s1c /dev/ad4s1f /dev/ad6s4 /dev/ad4s1a /dev/ad4s1d /dev/ad4s1g /dev/ad8 Just for the record, 'mount /dev/ad8 /mnt' works? No, unfortunately not: # mount /dev/ad8 /mnt mount: /dev/ad8 : Invalid argument Seth -- Nikola Lečić :: Никола Лечић ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: installing linux after freebsd (multi-boot)
On Dec 31, 2007 1:29 PM, आशीष शुक्ल Ashish Shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ,--[ On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 09:03:08AM +0530, अनुज Anuj Singh wrote: [snipped] | On 30/12/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Hello , | I have freebsd6.2 installed with Fedora core 7 and rhe4. | I am installing rhel5 , when linux installation process starts I get an | error of /dev/hdc1 busy , can not report to kernel about partition | layout. In the past I installed linux then FreeBSD. | Is there some method that rhel5 installation can skip /dev/hdc1 | (freebsd slice) ? saving my freebsd installation You get /dev/hdc1 busy error. At which step in installation, you get /dev/hdc1 busy error, hmm...? Are you trying to remove '/dev/hdc1' (FreeBSD slice), if yes, then you'll get error, and you probably need to remove FreeBSD partitions (present in slice) first. No I am not removing/mounting/using FreeBSD slice. This is the log... 03:29:50 INFO: moving (1) to step confirminstall 03:30:13 INFO: moving (1) to step install 03:30:13 INFO: moving (1) to step enablefilesystems 03:30:17 INFO: lv is VolGroup00/LogVol00, size of 1472 03:30:17 INFO: lv is VolGroup00/LogVol01, size of 2496 03:30:17 INFO: lv is VolGroup00/LogVol02, size of 672 03:30:17 INFO: lv is VolGroup00/LogVol03, size of 1024 03:30:17 INFO: lv is VolGroup00/LogVol04, size of 9984 03:30:17 INFO: lv is VolGroup00/LogVol05, size of 9344 03:30:17 INFO: removing lv LogVol03 03:30:18 INFO: removing lv LogVol00 03:30:18 INFO: removing lv LogVol04 03:30:19 INFO: removing lv LogVol05 03:30:19 INFO: removing lv LogVol02 03:30:20 INFO: removing lv LogVol01 03:30:21 INFO: pv is /dev/hdc11 in vg VolGroup00, size is 29996 03:30:21 INFO: vgremove VolGroup00 03:30:22 INFO: pvremove -ff -y /dev/hdc11 03:30:22 INFO: pvcreate -ff -y -v /dev/hdc11 03:30:23 CRITICAL: parted exception: Error: Error informing the kernel about modifications to partition /dev/hdc1 -- Device or resource busy. This means Linux won't know about any changes you made to /dev/hdc1 until you reboot -- so you shouldn't mount it or use it in any way before rebooting. 03:31:08 CRITICAL: Traceback (most recent call first): File /usr/lib/anaconda/partedUtils.py, line 876, in savePartitions disk.commit() File /usr/lib/anaconda/packages.py, line 145, in turnOnFilesystems anaconda.id.diskset.savePartitions () File /usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.py, line 201, in moveStep rc = stepFunc(self.anaconda) File /usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.py, line 124, in gotoNext self.moveStep() File /usr/lib/anaconda/gui.py, line 1007, in nextClicked self.anaconda.dispatch.gotoNext() File /usr/lib/anaconda/iw/progress_gui.py, line 243, in renderCallback self.intf.icw.nextClicked() File /usr/lib/anaconda/gui.py, line 1034, in handleRenderCallback self.currentWindow.renderCallback() error: Error: Error informing the kernel about modifications to partition /dev/hdc1 -- Device or resource busy. This means Linux won't know about any changes you made to /dev/hdc1 until you reboot -- so you shouldn't mount it or use it in any way before rebooting. From anacdump.txt Traceback (most recent call first): File /usr/lib/anaconda/partedUtils.py, line 876, in savePartitions disk.commit() File /usr/lib/anaconda/packages.py, line 145, in turnOnFilesystems anaconda.id.diskset.savePartitions () File /usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.py, line 201, in moveStep rc = stepFunc(self.anaconda) File /usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.py, line 124, in gotoNext self.moveStep() File /usr/lib/anaconda/gui.py, line 1007, in nextClicked self.anaconda.dispatch.gotoNext() File /usr/lib/anaconda/iw/progress_gui.py, line 243, in renderCallback self.intf.icw.nextClicked() File /usr/lib/anaconda/gui.py, line 1034, in handleRenderCallback self.currentWindow.renderCallback() error: Error: Error informing the kernel about modifications to partition /dev/hdc1 -- Device or resource busy. This means Linux won't know about any changes you made to /dev/hdc1 until you reboot -- so you shouldn't mount it or use it in any way before rebooting. Local variables in innermost frame: self: partedUtils.DiskSet instance at 0xb7bce72c disk: PedDisk object at 0xb7e37638 [snipped] | Hi, | 1. I am trying to fresh install over single disk. | 2. I have FreeBSD6.2 slice on first primary partition of the disk. There should be absolutely no problem in installing RHEL5, even GNU/Linux can read FreeBSD disklabels (and partitions) without any problem :) . | can I have a look at your partition table ? Here is mine, I'm running Ubuntu Linux, which is installed after FreeBSD. Disk /dev/sdb: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x00083e09 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 * 1
Re: Small Unix install
Erik Cederstrand wrote: DAve wrote: Good morning, I am looking for a small install for an old laptop. I have an old but quite reliable Toshiba 330CDT that used to be my personal laptop. I ran FBSD 3.x/4.x on it for years but it has been wiped and in a closet for years. I want to use it again just to access a few web forums and read my email. I don't do POV RAY or 3D, I don't need Open Office, I don't watch any Tubes. Mutt, Fluxbox and a minimal browser would make me happy. I don't have the time or inclination to roll my own again. PCBSD can't finish the install due to only having 96mb of memory. Desktop BSD wants more than 4gb of drive space just to complete the install. I currently have 98SE on it only consuming 300mb and it runs fine, but it's 98SE ;^) Does anyone know of anything ready to install? BSD, Linux, I don't care. You could try Damn Small Linux. The main problem with using old laptops is finding a browser that doesn't hog memory. The only on I've found (apart from Lynx) is Dillo, but it doesn't support CSS. Yep, Dillo fails on most of the web forums I want to read. As I responded to another reply, I am a ASCII kinda guy in a Multimedia world. Another option if you really want FreeBSD is to search the FTP archives for a FreeBSD 3/4 install CD and go from there. They'll have the packages ready to install. Just beware of the security implications of using old releases. I still have a full four disk set of FreeBSD 3.2 ;^) Security implications! Ha! A bit of tuning here, a firewall there, kill some daemons off, I wouldn't worry. Safer than Windows. I spent (wasted IMO) the better part of 8 hours this weekend installing FreeBSD and Slackware on the laptop with disappointing results. X was incredibly slow with all browsers, my pcmcia card isn't working, my wireless card is unsupported. But I work from home, I have VMWare on my work laptop, I installed PCBSD in VMWare. I was downloading mail and reading a forum in under 15 minutes. I am happy. I will keep an eye out for a cheap/used replacement laptop for personal use. Thanks everyone who responded, and have a happy New Year. DAve -- Google finally, after 7 years, provided a logo for veterans. Thank you Google. What to do with my signature now? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I installed FreeBSD, but managed to completely fail at getting the man pages installed.
None of the default man pages were installed on my system when I installed FreeBSD recently. I figured I forgot some part of the install (accidentally forgot to click something). Does anyone know how I can trivially obtain the base install's man pages? Thanks, -Jim Stapleton ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boot Menu Damaged
On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 01:17:51AM -0500, E. J. Cerejo wrote: I'm running FreeBSD 6 stable and I lost my boot menu after reinstalling xp and tried to fix it by booting with instalation cd and run fdisk -B -b /boot/boot0 /dev/ad0 it restored it but when I boot I get the mountroot prompt, it fails to mount ad0s2a, b, c, d. Is it possible to fix this or do I have to reinstall freebsd? It may be that you got the slices no longer marked as bootable. Try using fdisk(8) or boot0cfg(8) to re-enable booting on those slices. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I installed FreeBSD, but managed to completely fail at getting the man pages installed.
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:41:05 -0500 Jim Stapleton wrote: None of the default man pages were installed on my system when I installed FreeBSD recently. I figured I forgot some part of the install (accidentally forgot to click something). Does anyone know how I can trivially obtain the base install's man pages? sysinstall - Configure - Distributions - [x] man WBR -- Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone Internet SP FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re:I installed FreeBSD, but managed to completely fail at getting the man pages installed.
you can install this from sysinstall: here is a link to full instructions: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-install-man-info-pages-and-other-package-set.html hope this helps, Phil ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I installed FreeBSD, but managed to completely fail at getting the man pages installed.
In response to Jim Stapleton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: None of the default man pages were installed on my system when I installed FreeBSD recently. I figured I forgot some part of the install (accidentally forgot to click something). Does anyone know how I can trivially obtain the base install's man pages? Boot up the system and log in as root. Then run sysinstall. Select Custom - Distributions - Custom. From there you can select the man distribution. Then OK your way back until sysinstall actually installs the man pages. I expect you selected a minimal install when you installed, which doesn't include man pages. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to not start syslogd
On Dec 30, 2007, at 10:44 PM, Bill Moran wrote: Jeffrey Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Putting syslogd_enable=NO into /etc/rc.conf did not prevent it from starting. The above works on every system I've done it to (which is quite a few). I suspect you've either got a typo in your rc.conf, [...] Yep. It was a typo. I should let this be a reminder to always copy and paste such things into email instead of retyping. What I had in my rc.conf was really syslog_enable=NO Notice the missing d'. Thanks. -j ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to not start syslogd
Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: On Dec 30, 2007, at 10:44 PM, Bill Moran wrote: Jeffrey Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Putting syslogd_enable=NO into /etc/rc.conf did not prevent it from starting. The above works on every system I've done it to (which is quite a few). I suspect you've either got a typo in your rc.conf, [...] Yep. It was a typo. I should let this be a reminder to always copy and paste such things into email instead of retyping. What I had in my rc.conf was really syslog_enable=NO Notice the missing d'. Small hint shown to me many years ago when enabling things in rc.conf. If I want to startup ipfilter for example (trimmed to avoid wrapping). bash-2.05b# cat /etc/defaults/rc.conf | grep ^ipfilter Returns the following, ipfilter_enable=NO# Set to YES to enable ipfilter ipfilter_program=/sbin/ipf# where the ipfilter program lives ipfilter_rules=/etc/ipf.rules # rules definition file for ipfilter, ipfilter_flags= # additional flags for ipfilter If it looks like what you want then write it into your running rc.conf, cat /etc/defaults/rc.conf | grep ^ipfilter /etc/rc.conf Then you can edit to enable, add flags, etc. Cures the typos. DAve -- Google finally, after 7 years, provided a logo for veterans. Thank you Google. What to do with my signature now? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrading mplayer fails on linux-pango
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:23:58 -0500 Dave wrote: Trying to upgrade my ports. And mplayer is failing on the linux-pango dependency. The error from linux-pango is that elf binary type 3 is not known and the install fails with an error 2. Does anyone have a fix for this? Did you (kld)loaded linux emulation module? (I.e. did the command kldstat | grep linux shows the linux.ko module?) WBR -- Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone Internet SP FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Blocking undesirable domains using BIND
Hi, Maxim Khitrov wrote: On Dec 30, 2007 12:31 PM, Darren Spruell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 30, 2007 9:52 AM, Maxim Khitrov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I then installed dnsmasq, which is able to read domain info from the hosts file. Just for the fun of it, I loaded domains from all the sources I've gathered into a separate hosts file - a total of 155,150 entries. Dnsmasq loaded that file and has been running for several minutes now. It's currently taking up a total of 17MB! Now granted, it doesn't need to deal with whole zone files, but this still goes to show the level of efficiency that can be achieved in theory even with this many entries. this sounds like a perfect solution for me too. I will have to try this next year. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boot Menu Damaged
- Original Message - From: Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: E. J. Cerejo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: Re: Boot Menu Damaged On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 01:17:51AM -0500, E. J. Cerejo wrote: I'm running FreeBSD 6 stable and I lost my boot menu after reinstalling xp and tried to fix it by booting with instalation cd and run fdisk -B -b /boot/boot0 /dev/ad0 it restored it but when I boot I get the mountroot prompt, it fails to mount ad0s2a, b, c, d. Is it possible to fix this or do I have to reinstall freebsd? It may be that you got the slices no longer marked as bootable. Try using fdisk(8) or boot0cfg(8) to re-enable booting on those slices. jerry Do you run it from the instalation CD using fixit or run from the mountroot prompt on the computer. It seems to me I can't can any commands from this prompt. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Hi; Way OT here...but don't know where else to ask ;) I'm considering starting an open source project for language translation. Initially, I'll write this in python (with both MySQL and OpenLDAP for different needs). But the processing will be heavy duty, so I need to look toward a low-level language. I am not good in any :( I'm thinking Java's probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out there than any other language (I think). But what about C++ or C#? Your comments would be appreciated. TIA, Victor ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Port Updates for 6.1
Don O'Neil [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is the safest and cleanest way to update the ports in /usr/ports for a 6.1-STABLE install? I don't want to risk breaking anything, I just need some updated ports so I can install the latest SpamAssassin port. http://www.cvsup.org/faq.html#caniadopt csup(1) should be able to do the same kind of thing. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Victor Subervi wrote: Hi; Way OT here...but don't know where else to ask ;) I'm considering starting an open source project for language translation. Initially, I'll write this in python (with both MySQL and OpenLDAP for different needs). But the processing will be heavy duty, so I need to look toward a low-level language. I am not good in any :( I'm thinking Java's probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out there than any other language (I think). But what about C++ or C#? Your comments would be appreciated. TIA, Victor ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't realy concider java to be a low-level language, so I would take a look at C or C++ first (And TBH I think there are at least as many C/C++ programmers as Java programmes ). Good luck with your project, -- -Frank Staals ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Java not low level? It's a scripting lang? Doesn't compile? C is easy enough. C++ is tough but would be necessary. What about C#? Forget it? TIA, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 12:02 PM, Frank Staals [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Victor Subervi wrote: Hi; Way OT here...but don't know where else to ask ;) I'm considering starting an open source project for language translation. Initially, I'll write this in python (with both MySQL and OpenLDAP for different needs). But the processing will be heavy duty, so I need to look toward a low-level language. I am not good in any :( I'm thinking Java's probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out there than any other language (I think). But what about C++ or C#? Your comments would be appreciated. TIA, Victor ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't realy concider java to be a low-level language, so I would take a look at C or C++ first (And TBH I think there are at least as many C/C++ programmers as Java programmes ). Good luck with your project, -- -Frank Staals ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Imaging to new system
Robert Fitzpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 11:10 -0700, Darren Spruell wrote: On Dec 30, 2007 10:54 AM, Robert Fitzpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a server running 5.4-RELEASE using RAID-5 on an Intel RAID controller that I need to move to faster RAID. Is it possible to image or some other way to save the current install and restore after setting up the RAID or should I just plan to reinstall everything? Running dump(8) and restore(8) would allow you to back up and restore your system. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=dump http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=restore This is typically used with tape, although you can dump to disk as well. If your data/system is critical, you ought to already have some backup strategy you could restore the system from to your new RAID. If not, you might put one in place (RAID != backups). Yes, of course, we have data backup and can restore after reinstalling everything, but I was looking for a complete system restore option. I'll look into these docs, thanks. There is no tape system, so I guess the only hope is if it can be dumped and restored from an NFS drive. From looking at the docs, it does appear this is possible, as long as the data in on a fs mounted by fstab? Another possibility is to dump to stdout, and pipe that over ssh. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Hi, Victor Subervi wrote: toward a low-level language. I am not good in any :( I'm thinking Java's Assembler? probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out there than any other language (I think). But what about C++ or C#? Your comments I would use a combination out of C and C++. Even if there are more Java programmers out there, they not have the experience of the most C/C++ programmers. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Good point. Most legacy s/w is in C++. I'm assuming from lack of comment that C# is as yet an unborn language ;) TIA, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 12:28 PM, Erich Dollansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Victor Subervi wrote: toward a low-level language. I am not good in any :( I'm thinking Java's Assembler? probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out there than any other language (I think). But what about C++ or C#? Your comments I would use a combination out of C and C++. Even if there are more Java programmers out there, they not have the experience of the most C/C++ programmers. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Victor Subervi wrote: I'm thinking Java's probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out there than any other language (I think). That's almost always the *worst* reason for choosing a language. On similar basis, you might want to do it in PHP since a lot of people use it. It's exceedingly tough to use Java for high-performance applications, especially if you're just starting out in it. It apparently can be done, but only by experts (average quality code in Java is almost certain to be slow). But what about C++ or C#? Your comments would be appreciated. C# is similar in this way to Java, though my own experience says it's faster than Java. C++ or C are, of course, faster than any of the mentioned languages. If it's not a serious project and you just want to learn a new language, try D (http://www.digitalmars.com/d/). It's similar to C, C++ and Java but has some very nice features that sometimes make it even Python-like. It's almost as fast as C (http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/debian/benchmark.php?test=alllang=dlanglang2=gcc). signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: dlopen(), atexit() on FreeBSD
Giorgos Keramidas writes: The __cxa_finalize() function is not called by atexit(), but by exit() I see. Since the program is going to exit and have all its dlopened shared objects be unmapped, it's probably ok to skip the dlclose() step in this example. Just for the record: I've tried disabling the dlclose() call in our code. It both prevents the segfaults and does not seem to inflict any harm. I'll use the code that way for the time being, any real solution for this problem notwithstanding. I think this is probably something that the freebsd-hackers list will be interested in. Can you post a description of the problem there too? I'll do. I haven't read up the full history of this problem, but apparently other programs and libraries are affected too, so it is probably fair to seek assistance. regards, Markus -- Markus Hoenicka [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Spam-protected email: replace the quadrupeds with mhoenicka) http://www.mhoenicka.de ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. Go figure. Sounds like C++ is the way to go. Now, getting back on topic :) I know that one has to install all sorts of s/w and rebuild the kernel for working with Java. Is that true of C++ as well? Or is it like C, native to FBSD? TIA, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 12:55 PM, Ivan Voras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Victor Subervi wrote: I'm thinking Java's probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out there than any other language (I think). That's almost always the *worst* reason for choosing a language. On similar basis, you might want to do it in PHP since a lot of people use it. It's exceedingly tough to use Java for high-performance applications, especially if you're just starting out in it. It apparently can be done, but only by experts (average quality code in Java is almost certain to be slow). But what about C++ or C#? Your comments would be appreciated. C# is similar in this way to Java, though my own experience says it's faster than Java. C++ or C are, of course, faster than any of the mentioned languages. If it's not a serious project and you just want to learn a new language, try D (http://www.digitalmars.com/d/). It's similar to C, C++ and Java but has some very nice features that sometimes make it even Python-like. It's almost as fast as C ( http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/debian/benchmark.php?test=alllang=dlanglang2=gcc ). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Hi, Victor Subervi wrote: Good point. Most legacy s/w is in C++. I'm assuming from lack of comment that C# is as yet an unborn language ;) there is another very simple problem with languages like C# or Java. In the case of C, it is the developers machine which has to have the proper software installed to compile it. Java need the proper run-time and so the byte compiler installed on every client machine. If you run into a very specific problem with the byte-compiler, you have to have a specific version installed on all clients. In case of C, you can do a static link to minimise this impact. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Victor Subervi wrote: I know that one has to install all sorts of s/w and rebuild the kernel for working with Java. Is that true of C++ as well? Or is it like C, native to FBSD? It's native - it's the GNU c++ compiler (g++). signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Yuck. Steering clear of Java ... :) Thanks, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:05 PM, Erich Dollansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Victor Subervi wrote: Good point. Most legacy s/w is in C++. I'm assuming from lack of comment that C# is as yet an unborn language ;) there is another very simple problem with languages like C# or Java. In the case of C, it is the developers machine which has to have the proper software installed to compile it. Java need the proper run-time and so the byte compiler installed on every client machine. If you run into a very specific problem with the byte-compiler, you have to have a specific version installed on all clients. In case of C, you can do a static link to minimise this impact. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Perfect. Yet another reason to choose c++ Thanks, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:14 PM, Victor Subervi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yuck. Steering clear of Java ... :) Thanks, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:05 PM, Erich Dollansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Victor Subervi wrote: Good point. Most legacy s/w is in C++. I'm assuming from lack of comment that C# is as yet an unborn language ;) there is another very simple problem with languages like C# or Java. In the case of C, it is the developers machine which has to have the proper software installed to compile it. Java need the proper run-time and so the byte compiler installed on every client machine. If you run into a very specific problem with the byte-compiler, you have to have a specific version installed on all clients. In case of C, you can do a static link to minimise this impact. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Victor Subervi wrote: Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. Go figure. Sounds like C++ is the way to go. Now, getting back on topic :) I know that one has to install all sorts of s/w and rebuild the kernel for working with Java. Is that true of C++ as well? Or is it like C, native to FBSD? If your talking natural langs then Henry Pjiffers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has done a fair amount of work... even though he might attempt to sell you on enhanced open-source ;-) [I would also do this if I had done work in the translation area... he is the other 1/3 of the licensing model I have mentioned a few times on the lists] - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHeSXpzIOMjAek4JIRAstpAJwLfmUpzghGV22K7iVt3iKsc9rrAgCcCdBZ DoWyBolAD6sd5x3E1/W12/g= =luLC -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Thanks. I'll drop him a line. Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:24 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Victor Subervi wrote: Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. Go figure. Sounds like C++ is the way to go. Now, getting back on topic :) I know that one has to install all sorts of s/w and rebuild the kernel for working with Java. Is that true of C++ as well? Or is it like C, native to FBSD? If your talking natural langs then Henry Pjiffers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has done a fair amount of work... even though he might attempt to sell you on enhanced open-source ;-) [I would also do this if I had done work in the translation area... he is the other 1/3 of the licensing model I have mentioned a few times on the lists] - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHeSXpzIOMjAek4JIRAstpAJwLfmUpzghGV22K7iVt3iKsc9rrAgCcCdBZ DoWyBolAD6sd5x3E1/W12/g= =luLC -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Blocking undesirable domains using BIND
Darren Spruell wrote: On Dec 28, 2007 8:49 AM, Kevin Kinsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the absence of egress filtering on the firewall, that would definitely be an advantage. Does anyone use BIND for filtering in a small to medium business environment then? How does it perform? Performs fine. # rndc status number of zones: 17210 ... snip Thanks, Darren. -- Pity the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. -- Don Marquis ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Victor Subervi wrote: Thanks. I'll drop him a line. Forgot to mention that as far I know it is straight Java also. As a side note to those who are knocking Java a few things need to be dismistified: I don't know if I am the exception but I know a fair number of people who have switched from c/c++ to Java (like me)... most of my carrer (and still do) is writting high performence code (largely via custom alogrithems instead of hand optimization) and have had zero issue with Java in this issue (except for the slow startup time for the jvm). Matter one of my projects is a Java--native compiler which I eventually plan to base an OS around. Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:24 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Victor Subervi wrote: Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. Go figure. Sounds like C++ is the way to go. Now, getting back on topic :) I know that one has to install all sorts of s/w and rebuild the kernel for working with Java. Is that true of C++ as well? Or is it like C, native to FBSD? If your talking natural langs then Henry Pjiffers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has done a fair amount of work... even though he might attempt to sell you on enhanced open-source ;-) [I would also do this if I had done work in the translation area... he is the other 1/3 of the licensing model I have mentioned a few times on the lists] - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHeSd0zIOMjAek4JIRAhgBAJ9mX2SUOPMBIKSse9/09BE8owV1QQCfTD6O IU5nLP56NiASTFp90dMxrco= =jQgV -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Hmm. Why did you switch to Java? Also, that email address for Henry bounced :-} Could you check it? TIA, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:31 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Victor Subervi wrote: Thanks. I'll drop him a line. Forgot to mention that as far I know it is straight Java also. As a side note to those who are knocking Java a few things need to be dismistified: I don't know if I am the exception but I know a fair number of people who have switched from c/c++ to Java (like me)... most of my carrer (and still do) is writting high performence code (largely via custom alogrithems instead of hand optimization) and have had zero issue with Java in this issue (except for the slow startup time for the jvm). Matter one of my projects is a Java--native compiler which I eventually plan to base an OS around. Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:24 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Victor Subervi wrote: Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. Go figure. Sounds like C++ is the way to go. Now, getting back on topic :) I know that one has to install all sorts of s/w and rebuild the kernel for working with Java. Is that true of C++ as well? Or is it like C, native to FBSD? If your talking natural langs then Henry Pjiffers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has done a fair amount of work... even though he might attempt to sell you on enhanced open-source ;-) [I would also do this if I had done work in the translation area... he is the other 1/3 of the licensing model I have mentioned a few times on the lists] - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHeSd0zIOMjAek4JIRAhgBAJ9mX2SUOPMBIKSse9/09BE8owV1QQCfTD6O IU5nLP56NiASTFp90dMxrco= =jQgV -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
On 11:57:01 Dec 31, Victor Subervi wrote: Hi; Way OT here...but don't know where else to ask ;) I don't think so. I'm considering starting an open source project for language translation. Initially, I'll write this in python (with both MySQL and OpenLDAP for different needs). But the processing will be heavy duty, so I need to look toward a low-level language. I am not good in any :( I'm thinking Java's probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out there than any other language (I think). But what about C++ or C#? Your comments would be appreciated. I am yet to find something that C cannot do. I just finished creating the web interface for my firewall product in C. (I don't mean the interface,but the interface backend) The inteface will be in jQuery of course. No two ways about it. (http://jquery.com ) I have coded support for unlimited UNDO/REDO/BACK/FORWARD (time travel), support for concurrent processing, high performance, crash recovery and avoided the flaws of on the fly file reading in CGI/Ajax programming. I used a combo of UNIX domain sockets, daemon(3),poll(2), sophisticated linked lists with queue(3) macros, even object oriented programming all in C. Wondering how to do OO in C? Look at GTK. You can embed function pointers in structures right? And create a linked list? What more do you need for OO? Forget protection , encapsulation and all that marketing bullshit. We have code that works and that is what counts. Performance? Can you ever match C? This is a highly sensitive topic in which passions run high. So I don't plan to create a flame war in this beautiful New Year eve.;) Hope this helps. Wish you the very best in your project and may God bless you with every success! Happy 2008! -Girish ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Victor Subervi wrote: Hmm. Why did you switch to Java? Rich system API, everything inherits from Object (helps in many situations), the relization that 99% of time I was using ptrs it was only to keep a ref to some struct in RAM (the only time I have ever found a use for them is when for some hardware reason you *MUST* address a specific address in RAM) for low level work you can turn the GC off via a non-JVM compilor, etc. Basically it lets me not worry about low level details that are pure book keeping vs. some performence/functionality gain Also, that email address for Henry bounced [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHeSpRzIOMjAek4JIRAl1WAJ0bUH073PKH/wjg8cGvtY5Ww7IqaQCfTPws DWVv6YiE9DEC9vL2Pc0BIDo= =VmKj -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Yeah, this is what happens when some ding-a-ling asks a wide open emotionally sensitive question on an issue he knows nothing about LOL. Do it all in C? Interesting. Much easier, much more support from the community. Will look into it. Is jquery installed server-side? TIA, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:41 PM, Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello: Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. I don't have the original post, but if you're talking about translating between human languages ... are you aware of OmegaT? (http://sourceforge.net/projects/omegat/www.omegat.org;) Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: Victor Subervi wrote: Hmm. Why did you switch to Java? Rich system API, everything inherits from Object (helps in many situations), the relization that 99% of time I was using ptrs it was only to keep a ref to some struct in RAM (the only time I have ever found a use for them is when for some hardware reason you *MUST* address a specific address in RAM) for low level work you can turn the GC off via a non-JVM compilor, etc. Basically it lets me not worry about low level details that are pure book keeping vs. some performence/functionality gain Forgot to mention reflection which makes certain things possible (not just easier)... for example the aMock product I make would be impossible without reflection and even thisTest would be significantly harder to use without it. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHeSwYzIOMjAek4JIRAl6DAKCNiZ6wv2cyyWbRzUpnUYa98X7lPACcDlfQ fmt4j82cfv77ixXRVlWbck8= =QhCH -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Thanks for both :) Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:50 PM, Victor Subervi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, this is what happens when some ding-a-ling asks a wide open emotionally sensitive question on an issue he knows nothing about LOL. Do it all in C? Interesting. Much easier, much more support from the community. Will look into it. Is jquery installed server-side? TIA, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:41 PM, Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello: Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. I don't have the original post, but if you're talking about translating between human languages ... are you aware of OmegaT? ( http://sourceforge.net/projects/omegat/www.omegat.org;) Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:04:07 -0400 Victor Subervi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. If I were you, I'd look into what languages the industry is using. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 RW wrote: On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:04:07 -0400 Victor Subervi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. If I were you, I'd look into what languages the industry is using. C and Java. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHeS1RzIOMjAek4JIRAk7EAKCLVho0xH0JUMD9axAgov0skoTeSgCfefqB ubBjgpMuJUOwHYBeyLJY+iQ= =00mx -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Now that's the smartest suggestion yet! Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:56 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 RW wrote: On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:04:07 -0400 Victor Subervi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. If I were you, I'd look into what languages the industry is using. C and Java. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHeS1RzIOMjAek4JIRAk7EAKCLVho0xH0JUMD9axAgov0skoTeSgCfefqB ubBjgpMuJUOwHYBeyLJY+iQ= =00mx -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Annoted :) On 12/31/07, Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Victor Subervi writes: Yeah, this is what happens when some ding-a-ling asks a wide open emotionally sensitive question on an issue he knows nothing about LOL. Do it all in C? Interesting. Much easier, much more support from the community. Will look into it. Is jquery installed server-side? I do not now and have never used the program. I have no idea how it works. I know tanslation professional who have used it, or who have evaluated it in compariso to thigs like Trados ad DejaVu. If your project ever reaches beta, or if you're doing a re-write and want input on what features real users would kill for, look me up and I can put you in contact. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
corporate backers of freebsd
Good Day All and Happy New Year, I'm not looking to incite anyone, but here comes a BSD vs Linux question. Yes, I tried searching the archives and found nothing. I used FreeBSD back in 2000 for a few firewalls, but due to certain influences I switched to Linux after a couple of years. I'm interested in getting back to the BSD's but have just one big concern. As most users Unix and it's clones, I prefer the free as in beer licensing model, but want to know that someone else is paying the big bills. In short, here's my question: Canonical, RedHat, IBM, Novell, and a slew of others are funding / supporting Linux development and pushing some of that development into the free community, so that all can benefit from full-time developers and the money that supports them. I've seen where Cisco and Juniper are using FreeBSD, and assuming there are other big names, do they directly fund or contribute to the community? I guess my big concern is that I'd like for development to continue, with new features and hardware being supported. The best way for this to happen, IMHO, is for the developers to have full time jobs essentially devoted to FreeBSD and that some, if not most of that work is then sent back to the community. I'm not saying that I should contribute nothing, as I have contributed cash via CD's, T-Shirts, and other venues, but that doesn't provide nearly the revenue that a good corporate backer can. And just to throw more gasoline on the fire, I'll also assume that the BSD's are going strong and that there are no concerns of them suddenly disappearing if I make the change over. If you made it this far, thanks for your time in reading it. dg ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
BTW, someone wisely suggested looking up what the industry uses. This from Google: ¨translation software¨java 2,350,000 hits ¨translation software¨¨c++ 224,000 hits Hmmm... Victor On 12/31/07, Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Victor Subervi writes: Yeah, this is what happens when some ding-a-ling asks a wide open emotionally sensitive question on an issue he knows nothing about LOL. Do it all in C? Interesting. Much easier, much more support from the community. Will look into it. Is jquery installed server-side? I do not now and have never used the program. I have no idea how it works. I know tanslation professional who have used it, or who have evaluated it in compariso to thigs like Trados ad DejaVu. If your project ever reaches beta, or if you're doing a re-write and want input on what features real users would kill for, look me up and I can put you in contact. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
BTW, someone wisely suggested looking up what the industry uses. This from Google: ¨translation software¨java 2,350,000 hits ¨translation software¨¨c++ 224,000 hits Hmmm... Victor On 12/31/07, Victor Subervi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Annoted :) On 12/31/07, Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Victor Subervi writes: Yeah, this is what happens when some ding-a-ling asks a wide open emotionally sensitive question on an issue he knows nothing about LOL. Do it all in C? Interesting. Much easier, much more support from the community. Will look into it. Is jquery installed server-side? I do not now and have never used the program. I have no idea how it works. I know tanslation professional who have used it, or who have evaluated it in compariso to thigs like Trados ad DejaVu. If your project ever reaches beta, or if you're doing a re-write and want input on what features real users would kill for, look me up and I can put you in contact. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: corporate backers of freebsd
On Dec 31, 2007 10:10 AM, Gary Smithe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've seen where Cisco and Juniper are using FreeBSD, and assuming there are other big names, do they directly fund or contribute to the community? If memory serves, Yahoo! also is a substantial user of FreeBSD, though I don't have any insight into their support of it. Also, IIRC, F5 seems to make use of it in their products. Their support may consist of employing FreeBSD talent, or may be more substantial. Kurt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: corporate backers of freebsd
Gary Smithe wrote: Good Day All and Happy New Year, I'm not looking to incite anyone, but here comes a BSD vs Linux question. Yes, I tried searching the archives and found nothing. I used FreeBSD back in 2000 for a few firewalls, but due to certain influences I switched to Linux after a couple of years. I'm interested in getting back to the BSD's but have just one big concern. As most users Unix and it's clones, I prefer the free as in beer licensing model, but want to know that someone else is paying the big bills. In short, here's my question: Canonical, RedHat, IBM, Novell, and a slew of others are funding / supporting Linux development and pushing some of that development into the free community, so that all can benefit from full-time developers and the money that supports them. I've seen where Cisco and Juniper are using FreeBSD, and assuming there are other big names, do they directly fund or contribute to the community? I guess my big concern is that I'd like for development to continue, with new features and hardware being supported. The best way for this to happen, IMHO, is for the developers to have full time jobs essentially devoted to FreeBSD and that some, if not most of that work is then sent back to the community. I'm not saying that I should contribute nothing, as I have contributed cash via CD's, T-Shirts, and other venues, but that doesn't provide nearly the revenue that a good corporate backer can. And just to throw more gasoline on the fire, I'll also assume that the BSD's are going strong and that there are no concerns of them suddenly disappearing if I make the change over. Can't answer the rest of your questions but I can say we are a large Midwest ISP and we use the best tool for the job. Sometimes it is Server 2003 (Windows media streaming), sometimes it is Linux (ISCSI initiator), sometimes it is NetBSD (old Sparc boxes), more often than anything else it has been FreeBSD (mail, web, SQL, ftp, QT Streaming). There has never been any concern with using FreeBSD as a production OS either towards it's stability, ability, or it's future. If FreeBSD suites your needs, by all means switch over. DAve -- Google finally, after 7 years, provided a logo for veterans. Thank you Google. What to do with my signature now? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boot Menu Damaged
Jerry McAllister wrote: On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 10:46:04AM -0500, E. J. Cerejo wrote: - Original Message - From: Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: E. J. Cerejo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: Re: Boot Menu Damaged On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 01:17:51AM -0500, E. J. Cerejo wrote: I'm running FreeBSD 6 stable and I lost my boot menu after reinstalling xp and tried to fix it by booting with instalation cd and run fdisk -B -b /boot/boot0 /dev/ad0 it restored it but when I boot I get the mountroot prompt, it fails to mount ad0s2a, b, c, d. Is it possible to fix this or do I have to reinstall freebsd? It may be that you got the slices no longer marked as bootable. Try using fdisk(8) or boot0cfg(8) to re-enable booting on those slices. jerry Do you run it from the instalation CD using fixit or run from the mountroot prompt on the computer. It seems to me I can't can any commands from this prompt. I would do it from the fixit. Well that didn't work but I finally fixed it. from the moutroot I was able to go into single user mode by running these commands: ufs:/dev/ad0s2a fsck -p / mount / after this I was able to check and fix my /etc/fstab file, for some reason the mount points got all changed to slice 4, e.g. ad0s4a, changed them back to ad0s2a and so on, after that I was able to boot just fine. How it happened I have no idea. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I installed FreeBSD, but managed to completely fail at getting the man pages installed.
Thanks. I feel stupid now (through my own stupidity and not the fault of anyone here but me). I should have looked at that before. I have always done a minimal install of FreeBSD (well, for 6.1 and 6.2, didn't use FreeBSD before that), and have not had any problems getting the man pages before. Is this new, or is my memory going/gone? -Jim On Dec 31, 2007 9:55 AM, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In response to Jim Stapleton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: None of the default man pages were installed on my system when I installed FreeBSD recently. I figured I forgot some part of the install (accidentally forgot to click something). Does anyone know how I can trivially obtain the base install's man pages? Boot up the system and log in as root. Then run sysinstall. Select Custom - Distributions - Custom. From there you can select the man distribution. Then OK your way back until sysinstall actually installs the man pages. I expect you selected a minimal install when you installed, which doesn't include man pages. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ssh + kerberos: problems w/ -current to openbsd 4.2 KDC
have most of the machines here doing ssh authentication via kerberos against a heimdal KDC running openbsd 4.2-release. the freebsd 7.0beta4 host i recently installed will not allow machines to ssh into it using kerberos credentials but it (freebsd host) does successfully get and use tickets from the KDC when [gssapi] correct_des3_mic = host/[EMAIL PROTECTED] is added to /etc/krb5.conf. nothing notable shows up in the KDC logs and the following appears in /var/log/auth.log on the freebsd host: Dec 31 12:46:48 databank1 sshd[24658]: error: ssh_msg_send: write Dec 31 12:50:14 databank1 sshd[24690]: error: ssh_msg_send: write the changes made on the freebsd host to accommodate kerberos authentication were in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and /etc/pam.d/sshd, respectively: KerberosAuthentication yes KerberosOrLocalPasswd yes KerberosTicketCleanup yes GSSAPIAuthentication yes GSSAPICleanupCredentials yes authsufficient pam_krb5.so no_warn try_first_pass account requiredpam_krb5.so passwordsufficient pam_krb5.so no_warn try_first_pass where the lines in /etc/pam.d/sshd were simply uncommented and in the original order. debugging outputs from a client trying to ssh into the freebsd host are not very enlightening: ... debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,gssapi-with-mic,keyboard-interactive debug1: Next authentication method: gssapi-with-mic debug1: Delegating credentials debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,gssapi-with-mic,keyboard-interactive debug1: Next authentication method: publickey ... any clues as to what needs to be done to get this to work correctly would be appreciated. cheers, jake -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Drop in replacement for imap-UW?
I've been running imap-UW on FreeBSD 6.x STABLE for a while. Clients are mostly Thunderbird, TREOs and Horde (running on the same box. I'm having issues when multiple clients try to access the same user's mailbox. Typically the TREO will do a scheduled check for new mail while Thunderbird has it already open. Research indicates that this is a limitation of the UW imapd implementation. Can anyone recommend a good and secure imapd implementation that won't require a ton of reconfiguration? Mostly I'd like the replacement to be able to use all the existing end-user imap folders and mail spools. All users have accounts and mail spools on the box. There's no virtual users or database authentication backends to deal with. TIA ...jgm ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: installing linux after freebsd (multi-boot)
अनुज == अनुज Anuj Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: अनुज On Dec 31, 2007 1:29 PM, आशीष शुक्ल Ashish Shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ,--[ On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 09:03:08AM +0530, अनुज Anuj Singh wrote: [snipped] | On 30/12/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Hello , | I have freebsd6.2 installed with Fedora core 7 and rhe4. | I am installing rhel5 , when linux installation process starts I get an | error of /dev/hdc1 busy , can not report to kernel about partition | layout. In the past I installed linux then FreeBSD. | Is there some method that rhel5 installation can skip /dev/hdc1 | (freebsd slice) ? saving my freebsd installation You get /dev/hdc1 busy error. At which step in installation, you get /dev/hdc1 busy error, hmm...? Are you trying to remove '/dev/hdc1' (FreeBSD slice), if yes, then you'll get error, and you probably need to remove FreeBSD partitions (present in slice) first. अनुज No I am not removing/mounting/using FreeBSD slice. अनुज This is the log... अनुज 03:29:50 INFO: moving (1) to step confirminstall अनुज 03:30:13 INFO: moving (1) to step install अनुज 03:30:13 INFO: moving (1) to step enablefilesystems अनुज 03:30:17 INFO: lv is VolGroup00/LogVol00, size of 1472 अनुज 03:30:17 INFO: lv is VolGroup00/LogVol01, size of 2496 अनुज 03:30:17 INFO: lv is VolGroup00/LogVol02, size of 672 अनुज 03:30:17 INFO: lv is VolGroup00/LogVol03, size of 1024 अनुज 03:30:17 INFO: lv is VolGroup00/LogVol04, size of 9984 अनुज 03:30:17 INFO: lv is VolGroup00/LogVol05, size of 9344 अनुज 03:30:17 INFO: removing lv LogVol03 अनुज 03:30:18 INFO: removing lv LogVol00 अनुज 03:30:18 INFO: removing lv LogVol04 अनुज 03:30:19 INFO: removing lv LogVol05 अनुज 03:30:19 INFO: removing lv LogVol02 अनुज 03:30:20 INFO: removing lv LogVol01 अनुज 03:30:21 INFO: pv is /dev/hdc11 in vg VolGroup00, size is 29996 अनुज 03:30:21 INFO: vgremove VolGroup00 अनुज 03:30:22 INFO: pvremove -ff -y /dev/hdc11 अनुज 03:30:22 INFO: pvcreate -ff -y -v /dev/hdc11 अनुज 03:30:23 CRITICAL: parted exception: Error: Error informing the kernel अनुज about modifications to partition /dev/hdc1 -- Device or resource busy. अनुज This means Linux won't know about any changes you made to /dev/hdc1 अनुज until you reboot -- so you shouldn't mount it or use it in any way अनुज before rebooting. अनुज 03:31:08 CRITICAL: Traceback (most recent call first): अनुज File /usr/lib/anaconda/partedUtils.py, line 876, in savePartitions अनुज disk.commit() अनुज File /usr/lib/anaconda/packages.py, line 145, in turnOnFilesystems अनुज anaconda.id.diskset.savePartitions () अनुज File /usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.py, line 201, in moveStep अनुज rc = stepFunc(self.anaconda) अनुज File /usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.py, line 124, in gotoNext अनुज self.moveStep() अनुज File /usr/lib/anaconda/gui.py, line 1007, in nextClicked अनुज self.anaconda.dispatch.gotoNext() अनुज File /usr/lib/anaconda/iw/progress_gui.py, line 243, in renderCallback अनुज self.intf.icw.nextClicked() अनुज File /usr/lib/anaconda/gui.py, line 1034, in handleRenderCallback अनुज self.currentWindow.renderCallback() अनुज error: Error: Error informing the kernel about modifications to अनुज partition /dev/hdc1 -- Device or resource busy. This means Linux अनुज won't know about any changes you made to /dev/hdc1 until you reboot -- अनुज so you shouldn't mount it or use it in any way before rebooting. अनुज From anacdump.txt अनुज Traceback (most recent call first): अनुज File /usr/lib/anaconda/partedUtils.py, line 876, in savePartitions अनुज disk.commit() अनुज File /usr/lib/anaconda/packages.py, line 145, in turnOnFilesystems अनुज anaconda.id.diskset.savePartitions () अनुज File /usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.py, line 201, in moveStep अनुज rc = stepFunc(self.anaconda) अनुज File /usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.py, line 124, in gotoNext अनुज self.moveStep() अनुज File /usr/lib/anaconda/gui.py, line 1007, in nextClicked अनुज self.anaconda.dispatch.gotoNext() अनुज File /usr/lib/anaconda/iw/progress_gui.py, line 243, in renderCallback अनुज self.intf.icw.nextClicked() अनुज File /usr/lib/anaconda/gui.py, line 1034, in handleRenderCallback अनुज self.currentWindow.renderCallback() अनुज error: Error: Error informing the kernel about modifications to अनुज partition /dev/hdc1 -- Device or resource busy. This means Linux अनुज won't know about any changes you made to /dev/hdc1 until you reboot -- अनुज so you shouldn't mount it or use it in any way before rebooting. अनुज Local variables in innermost frame: अनुज self: partedUtils.DiskSet instance at 0xb7bce72c अनुज disk: PedDisk object at 0xb7e37638
Re: Drop in replacement for imap-UW?
On Monday 31 December 2007 01:42:14 pm Joe in MPLS wrote: I've been running imap-UW on FreeBSD 6.x STABLE for a while. Clients are mostly Thunderbird, TREOs and Horde (running on the same box. I'm having issues when multiple clients try to access the same user's mailbox. Typically the TREO will do a scheduled check for new mail while Thunderbird has it already open. Research indicates that this is a limitation of the UW imapd implementation. Can anyone recommend a good and secure imapd implementation that won't require a ton of reconfiguration? Mostly I'd like the replacement to be able to use all the existing end-user imap folders and mail spools. All users have accounts and mail spools on the box. There's no virtual users or database authentication backends to deal with. TIA ...jgm im not having any trouble using kmail from my freebsd desktop, thunderbird from my mac, and outlook from my pocketpc all at the same time, using dovecot. cheers, -- Jonathan Horne http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Drop in replacement for imap-UW?
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:42:14 -0600 Joe in MPLS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm having issues when multiple clients try to access the same user's mailbox. Typically the TREO will do a scheduled check for new mail while Thunderbird has it already open. Research indicates that this is a limitation of the UW imapd implementation. Could it be the deadlock bug that's fixed in the latest release (2006k): http://www.washington.edu/imap/documentation/RELNOTES.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NFS issues ??
I am trying to mount a Linux box with NFS from my FreeBSD box, with the command: # mount_nfs4 192.168.1.66:/home/chris/ /mnt/nfs/ where the IP is the Linux box and the share is /home/chris When I run the command I get: mount_nfs4: /mnt/nfs: No such file or directory Now /mnt/nfs exists and is writable. Running showmount returns: # showmount -e 192.168.1.66 /home/chrisns1 Very strange, I have done this in the past with no problems. Any suggestions? -- Chris Maness (909) 223-9179 http://www.chrismaness.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
On Monday 31 December 2007, Victor Subervi wrote: Hi; Way OT here...but don't know where else to ask ;) I'm considering starting an open source project for language translation. Initially, I'll write this in python (with both MySQL and OpenLDAP for different needs). But the processing will be heavy duty, so I need to look toward a low-level language. I am not good in any :( I'm thinking Java's probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out there than any other language (I think). But what about C++ or C#? Your comments would be appreciated. TIA, Victor checkout freepascal. its oo, has good language features, easier to learn than c/c++, well established. good email list for developer advice. http://www.freepascal.org/download.var neal. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I installed FreeBSD, but managed to completely fail at getting the man pages installed.
On Monday 31 December 2007 01:53:15 pm Jim Stapleton wrote: Thanks. I feel stupid now (through my own stupidity and not the fault of anyone here but me). I should have looked at that before. I have always done a minimal install of FreeBSD (well, for 6.1 and 6.2, didn't use FreeBSD before that), and have not had any problems getting the man pages before. Is this new, or is my memory going/gone? -Jim the man pages all magically appear after a buildworld and upgrade, so you probably just never noticed in the past. i only do minimal installs too, and a while back, i remember i had the same issue. i had some systems with man pages, and some systems without. took me a bit to figure out that the ones that had them, were all updated, and the ones without, were all 'fresh' RELEASE installs. cheers, -- Jonathan Horne http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Building FreeBSD from source on OS X?
Greetings. Recently i acquired an intel-based Mac mini and would like to build FreeBSD on it, but the mini needs to be (always) running OS X, because of other duties (DVR) it has. Is it possible to build FreeBSD from source on OS X running on intel hardware? I've tried the straight forward make in the source area, but it appears that OS X's make is actually gnu make, and it doesn't like the FreeBSD makefiles. I have the NetBSD pkgsrc system setup, and have a bmake which gets a little further when trying to build /usr/src/usr/bin/make, but still has some problems. Before i go any further with this, i wanted to check and see if this is even possible. Anyone know? -johan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why aren't more secure download options offered?
On Monday 31 December 2007 04:25:05 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello FreeBSD representative, I am new to the FreeBSD community. In the past I have typically installed a linux variant in my home systems, but recently decided to give FreeBSD a try since I could not find a distribution that fit my needs. I believe that fbsd is a good platform, but have found some areas that I'd like to point out. They are both rooted in the idea of a secure file transfer and file validation. Why isn't checksum information provided for packages? These are found in this directory: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/6.2-RELEASE/packages/ There are checksums for the ISO images. For example: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/6.2 has the checksums. I can't seem to find any documentation anywhere. You are looking for documentation for FreeBSD? http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ is a good place to start. I have only been using FreeBSD for a few months, so I ordered the book Absolute FreeBSD and I got it over the weekend. It has a lot of information useful to new users. If you don't know if you want to spend the money, you might find the first edition in your local library. The second edition was released recently. These are for all of the .tbz packages. The information is provided for every file except for these. Also, instead of the ftp protocol, why don't you offer download options like https? I am sure that many people are interested in such an option. I don't know the answer to that question. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why aren't more secure download options offered?
On Monday 31 December 2007 04:25:05 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello FreeBSD representative, BTW, this is a mailing list. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Building FreeBSD from source on OS X?
On 2007-12-31 16:33, Johan A. van Zanten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings. Recently i acquired an intel-based Mac mini and would like to build FreeBSD on it, but the mini needs to be (always) running OS X, because of other duties (DVR) it has. Is it possible to build FreeBSD from source on OS X running on intel hardware? I've tried the straight forward make in the source area, but it appears that OS X's make is actually gnu make, and it doesn't like the FreeBSD makefiles. I have the NetBSD pkgsrc system setup, and have a bmake which gets a little further when trying to build /usr/src/usr/bin/make, but still has some problems. Before i go any further with this, i wanted to check and see if this is even possible. I think one of the best options right now is to use Parallels, or some other virtualization system. BTW, I'm trying to 'port' FreeBSD make to make it buildable with autoconf, and automake, so that it is easier to run freebsd-make on non-FreeBSD systems, but there's still a lot of work before this is usable for building a full FreeBSD source tree. - Giorgos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ssh + kerberos: problems w/ -current to openbsd 4.2 KDC
On Mon, 2007-12-31 at 14:07 -0600, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote: have most of the machines here doing ssh authentication via kerberos against a heimdal KDC running openbsd 4.2-release. I have a similar setup here with an OpenBSD 4.2 KDC and a FreeBSD 7.0-BETA2 machine and I remember it being a hassle. I set this up awhile ago and don't totally remember why everything is set the way it is without reading man pages again but it's New Years Eve here so... I'll just throw my configuration here at you. ;) the freebsd 7.0beta4 host i recently installed will not allow machines to ssh into it using kerberos credentials but it (freebsd host) does successfully get and use tickets from the KDC when [gssapi] correct_des3_mic = host/[EMAIL PROTECTED] is added to /etc/krb5.conf. I have the same line above in krb5.conf on the FreeBSD machine with no [gssapi] section in the krb5.conf on the OpenBSD machine. nothing notable shows up in the KDC logs and the following appears in /var/log/auth.log on the freebsd host: Dec 31 12:46:48 databank1 sshd[24658]: error: ssh_msg_send: write Dec 31 12:50:14 databank1 sshd[24690]: error: ssh_msg_send: write the changes made on the freebsd host to accommodate kerberos authentication were in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and /etc/pam.d/sshd, respectively: KerberosAuthentication yes KerberosOrLocalPasswd yes KerberosTicketCleanup yes GSSAPIAuthentication yes GSSAPICleanupCredentials yes #PasswordAuthentication no #PermitEmptyPasswords no ChallengeResponseAuthentication no #KerberosAuthentication no #KerberosOrLocalPasswd yes #KerberosTicketCleanup yes #KerberosGetAFSToken no GSSAPIAuthentication yes #GSSAPICleanupCredentials yes #UsePAM yes authsufficient pam_krb5.so no_warn try_first_pass account requiredpam_krb5.so passwordsufficient pam_krb5.so no_warn try_first_pass I never got pam_krb5 to work and was happy enough with sshd's own GSSAPI stuff so I just stopped trying to figure out IIRC. where the lines in /etc/pam.d/sshd were simply uncommented and in the original order. debugging outputs from a client trying to ssh into the freebsd host are not very enlightening: ... debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,gssapi-with-mic,keyboard-interactive debug1: Next authentication method: gssapi-with-mic debug1: Delegating credentials debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,gssapi-with-mic,keyboard-interactive debug1: Next authentication method: publickey ... any clues as to what needs to be done to get this to work correctly would be appreciated. cheers, jake -- | tmclaugh at sdf.lonestar.org tmclaugh at FreeBSD.org | | FreeBSD http://www.FreeBSD.org | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: corporate backers of freebsd
On Monday 31 December 2007 18:10:55 Gary Smithe wrote: In short, here's my question: Canonical, RedHat, IBM, Novell, and a slew of others are funding / supporting Linux development and pushing some of that development into the free community, so that all can benefit from full-time developers and the money that supports them. This is true but on the flip side, Linux has become a target of the patent trolls (Microsoft and SCO to name two) and thus far they have left FreeBSD alone. This was one thing that prompted me to try FreeBSD and to not depend exclusively on one OS solution. I am just an individual user but this was still important to me. BTW you may have read that SCO has been delisted by NASDAQ :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Now sendmail won't even start
HI, Ok, a couple of days ago, Josh Tolbert told me to check out his site for how to setup sendmail+SMTP AUTH+SSL/TLS. So, I went to your (Josh's) site and followed the directions. Now however, sendmail doesn't even want to start. Actually, more correctly, it doesn't want to stay running. If I do: /etc/rc.d/sendmail start sendmail starts and is actually listening on port 25 for all of 30 seconds, then that section of sendmail dies. Then, all I have is this left over from the start of sendmail (gleened by doing sockstat | grep sendmail): smmspsendmail 5085 3 dgram - /var/run/log root sendmail 5082 4 dgram - /var/run/logpriv root sendmail 5082 6 tcp4 192.168.2.23:63862204.17.36.86:25 Doing tail /var/log/maillog yeilds this: Dec 31 18:40:16 whitbap sm-msp-queue[5059]: starting daemon (8.13.8): [EMAIL PROTECTED]:30:00 Dec 31 18:40:24 whitbap sm-mta[5018]: lBU9XI9f063744: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], delay=1+16:07:06, xdelay=00:01:15, mailer=esmtp, pri=7595712, relay=gpcvb.org. [204.17.36.86], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Operation timed out with gpcvb.org. Dec 31 18:41:03 whitbap sm-mta[5080]: gethostbyaddr(192.168.2.23) failed: 1 Dec 31 18:41:03 whitbap sm-mta[5081]: starting daemon (8.13.8): [EMAIL PROTECTED]:30:00 Dec 31 18:41:03 whitbap sm-mta[5081]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(root): opendaemonsocket: daemon MTA: cannot bind: Address already in use Dec 31 18:41:03 whitbap sm-mta[5081]: daemon MTA: problem creating SMTP socket Dec 31 18:41:03 whitbap sm-msp-queue[5085]: starting daemon (8.13.8): [EMAIL PROTECTED]:30:00 Dec 31 18:41:03 whitbap sm-mta[5082]: m010sNBM004564: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], delay=00:46:40, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=845114, relay=mail02.interchangeusa.com. [63.251.210.81], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection refused by mail02.interchangeusa.com. Dec 31 18:41:08 whitbap sm-mta[5081]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(root): opendaemonsocket: daemon MTA: cannot bind: Address already in use Dec 31 18:41:08 whitbap sm-mta[5081]: daemon MTA: problem creating SMTP socket Other than the below lines my hostname.mc file is unaltered. These are the only lines I've added: dnl set SASL options TRUST_AUTH_MECH(`GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN')dnl define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS', `GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN')dnl #define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS',`PLAIN LOGIN')dnl #TRUST_AUTH_MECH(`PLAIN LOGIN')dnl #define(`CERT_DIR', `/etc/mail/certs')dnl #define(`confCACERT_PATH', `CERT_DIR')dnl #define(`confCACERT', `CERT_DIR/whitbap_cert.pem')dnl #define(`confSERVER_CERT', `CERT_DIR/whitbap_cert.pem')dnl #define(`confSERVER_KEY', `CERT_DIR/whitbap_key.pem')dnl #define(`confCLIENT_CERT', `CERT_DIR/whitbap_cert.pem')dnl #define(`confCLIENT_KEY', `CERT_DIR/whitbap_key.pem')dnl #DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp, Name=MTA')dnl #DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtps, Name=TLSMTA')dnl The commented stuff is what I added from Josh's web site. The stuff above it is what I added following some other instructions a couple of days ago. I made these changes from the instructions in the handbook, http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/smtp-auth.html. I uncommented them because before I made the changes to use SSL, it (sendmail) worked. Now it's not so I was trying to back the changes out just to see if sendmail would work again, but it's not. What is going on? Andy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: corporate backers of freebsd
On 2007-12-31 23:14, Pollywog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 31 December 2007 18:10:55 Gary Smithe wrote: In short, here's my question: Canonical, RedHat, IBM, Novell, and a slew of others are funding / supporting Linux development and pushing some of that development into the free community, so that all can benefit from full-time developers and the money that supports them. This is true but on the flip side, Linux has become a target of the patent trolls (Microsoft and SCO to name two) and thus far they have left FreeBSD alone. This was one thing that prompted me to try FreeBSD and to not depend exclusively on one OS solution. I am just an individual user but this was still important to me. BTW you may have read that SCO has been delisted by NASDAQ :) This is probably a bit off-topic for the original thread, but SCO has filed for bankruptcy. This is probably related to being delisted by NASDAQ. To help a bit with the original question too: Yes, Gary, there are companies who also fund FreeBSD work in several ways, i.e.: * Paying developers on a per-project basis, to implement features which they need. * Employing developers, and then contributing code back to the FreeBSD Project. * Supporting FreeBSD drivers and subsystems, and working with the Project to keep their hardware support up to date, to implement new features, fix bugs, and so on. Some examples which I recall off the top of my head are: The support of Isilon Systems for VFS locking, which was then 'ported' back to FreeBSD. Jeff Roberson worked with Isilon Systems to bring VFS locking to FreeBSD, and it is not part of the official kernel source tree. NetApp and Isilon systems have made public statements, through the FreeBSD Foundation, about the reasons they like FreeBSD. Advocacy of this sort, from successful companies is also a good contribution to the Project. It may convince other companies to look at FreeBSD too. The hwpmc(4) performance counter work was started by Joseph Koshy, and then sponsored by Google and the FreeBSD foundation. NLNet supports the work of Marko Zec for the Network Stack Virtualization project. Cisco, iXsystems, Chelsio, Intel, Myricom, Neterion and others are actively contributing hardware to our netperf cluster. Sentex is hosting the netperf cluster, and has been providing ongoing support to the FreeBSD Project for a very long time now. ISC is hosting FreeBSD Project machines too. Yahoo!, Apple, Juniper, Philips and Cisco are employers of some of the most active FreeBSD developers, and they have contributed in many many ways to the well-being and ongoing development of FreeBSD as we know it today. Cisco has provided, through Randall R. Stewart, a fully functional version of the SCTP protocol, and Randall has done an excellent job both of integrating SCTP into the tree, and supporting / maintaining it later on. Last, but definitely not least, Google, through its wonderful `Summer of Code' projects, has funded the development of a huge number of features which are either already part of the main FreeBSD source tree, or are in the process of being refined, debugged, tested and integrated to the main FreeBSD system. The list of all the Google SoC projects is available through out web site, but here are some of the projects which I remember as I'm typing this: * BSD bintools project (some of the tools which are part of the GNU binutils have been cleanly implemented using only BSD-licensed code). * Improvements to the Ports infrastructure. This was completed and committed to CVS by Gabor Kovesdan, who was fudned by Google for _two_ years in a row. Kudos to both Gabor and Google for all the Ports work they have done :) * SNMP monitoring and a BSD-licensed snmpd daemon has been implemented by Shteryana Shopova and committed to the tree. This is, by far, not an exchaustive list, but just a *few* of the companies which have supported the FreeBSD Project so far. I have undoubtedly forgot many more, since I am both a relatively new FreeBSD team member, and I am not involved in *all* the sub-projects which are part of the greater FreeBSD Project umbrella. There is a lot more information on our web site about companies who contribute to the development of FreeBSD. The quarterly status reports at http://www.freebsd.org/news/status/ and the `Newsflash' at http://www.freebsd.org/news/newsflash.html are good places to hunt for this sort of information. HTH, Giorgos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: corporate backers of freebsd
Giorgos Keramidas wrote: Yes, Gary, there are companies who also fund FreeBSD work in several ways [...] Some examples which I recall off the top of my head are: Don't forget pair Networks, which has generously supported phk, andre, and myself on our respective sponsored FreeBSD coding fundraising drives of 2004, 2005, and 2006, with slightly over $40,000 in total. Colin Percival ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: corporate backers of freebsd
On Tue, 1 Jan 2008, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: The support of Isilon Systems for VFS locking, which was then 'ported' back to FreeBSD. Jeff Roberson worked with Isilon Systems to bring VFS locking to FreeBSD, and it is not part of the official kernel ^^^ source tree. Probably s/not/now/ ... -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: corporate backers of freebsd
On 2007-12-31 16:57, Colin Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giorgos Keramidas wrote: Yes, Gary, there are companies who also fund FreeBSD work in several ways [...] Some examples which I recall off the top of my head are: Don't forget pair Networks, which has generously supported phk, andre, and myself on our respective sponsored FreeBSD coding fundraising drives of 2004, 2005, and 2006, with slightly over $40,000 in total. I knew I was forgetting something. Thanks for the addition :-) On 2007-12-31 18:00, Warren Block [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 1 Jan 2008, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: The support of Isilon Systems for VFS locking, which was then 'ported' back to FreeBSD. Jeff Roberson worked with Isilon Systems to bring VFS locking to FreeBSD, and it is not part of the official kernel ^^^ source tree. Probably s/not/now/ ... That is true. The VFS locking code *is* part of the source tree. Unfortunately, spell-checking the original text couldn't really warn me about this. Thanks for this correction too :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to not start syslogd
On Dec 31, 2007, at 9:13 AM, DAve wrote: Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: Yep. It was a typo. I should let this be a reminder to always copy and paste such things into email instead of retyping. Small hint shown to me many years ago when enabling things in rc.conf. If I want to startup ipfilter for example (trimmed to avoid wrapping). bash-2.05b# cat /etc/defaults/rc.conf | grep ^ipfilter Returns the following, ipfilter_enable=NO# Set to YES to enable ipfilter ipfilter_program=/sbin/ipf# where the ipfilter program lives ipfilter_rules=/etc/ipf.rules # rules definition file for ipfilter, ipfilter_flags= # additional flags for ipfilter If it looks like what you want then write it into your running rc.conf, cat /etc/defaults/rc.conf | grep ^ipfilter /etc/rc.conf Then you can edit to enable, add flags, etc. Cures the typos. Thank you! That is a very nice tip. -j ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 00:28:35 +0800 Erich Dollansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Victor Subervi wrote: toward a low-level language. I am not good in any :( I'm thinking Java's Assembler? probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out there than any other language (I think). But what about C++ or C#? Your comments I would use a combination out of C and C++. Even if there are more Java programmers out there, they not have the experience of the most C/C++ programmers. Erich Yes, C/C++ would be ideal as low level language combo. But a hybrid approach is not bad either, e.g. C/C++ for bottlenecks that ought to be fast, Python for everything else. You can nicely mix and match Python and C/C++ with tools like SWIG or with the Boost.Python C++ library. Give it a try, you won't regret it. Even if only while developping pure C/C++ code, it ain't bad to use a hybrid approach for unit testing, rapid prototyping etc. during development. Happy new year to all. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Future development of Jail (was Re: corporate backers of freebsd)
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007, Colin Percival wrote: Giorgos Keramidas wrote: Yes, Gary, there are companies who also fund FreeBSD work in several ways [...] Some examples which I recall off the top of my head are: Don't forget pair Networks, which has generously supported phk, andre, and myself on our respective sponsored FreeBSD coding fundraising drives of 2004, 2005, and 2006, with slightly over $40,000 in total. Not that I have a pile of money laying around I could throw at it, but the thing I wish for most from FreeBSD is a more mature and robust jail implementation. Specifically, the ability to implement per-jail quotas and resource limitations on disk, memory, network and cpu. I'd really love a seperate network stack for each jail...that's critical for a plethora of reasons. I'd be curious what sort of commitment (in $) that would require. There was some development being done last year (2006) to that effect, but the developer seems to have abandoned it. Over the next 2-3 years, as cheap commodity hardware continues to explode with numerous processors with numerous cores and several gigs of memory, fast busses and standard multiple gige ports, inexpensive solid state disks...down the road I think it will become best common practice to setup any service on a virtual server, if for no other reason than to abstract the operating environment from the hardware to enable greater levels of redundancy and to better leverage the unused horsepower of these boxes in such a way that doesn't increase exposure and vulnerability. We seem to be very close to having the ability to completely segregate the control-plane from the data-plane (using router terminology). This is such a huge improvement over the status quo that I'm a little bit sad and confused why it seems to be such a low priority with the developers. But they have their hands full and nobody seems to be driven to steer that particular ship. Happy new year everybody. I definitely owe a huge thanks to all the developers who have worked to improve FreeBSD, my professional tool of choice for over a decade now. Andy --- Andy Dills Xecunet, Inc. www.xecu.net 301-682-9972 --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Now sendmail won't even start (update)
With every sendmail process turned off (verified using ps -aux | grep sendmail, and netstat -naf inet and lastly sockstat | grep sendmail; ok, ok, overkill); I've determined that nothing on the system is listening on port 25 except sendmail. Andy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Future development of Jail
On Dec 31, 2007 5:51 PM, Andy Dills [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not that I have a pile of money laying around I could throw at it, but the thing I wish for most from FreeBSD is a more mature and robust jail implementation. Specifically, the ability to implement per-jail quotas and resource limitations on disk, memory, network and cpu. I'd really love a seperate network stack for each jail...that's critical for a plethora of reasons. I'd be curious what sort of commitment (in $) that would require. I would like to see per-jail quotas such as the ones Andy mentions, and would like to hear if anyone would be interested in doing it for the right price. You may contact me via this list or in private. Cheers, and, a happy New Year. Karl. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
