Re: A gmirror question.

2008-10-29 Thread Stefan Moro
Ok, that explains it.

Thanks for the quick answers!

BR
Stefan
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Re: flash-9, 10 on FreeBSD

2008-10-29 Thread Glyn Millington
Mikhail Teterin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Sent by Glyn Millington:
 My solution was to install Wine and run the MS port of Firefox. So far
 it works flawlessly for me.
   
 This has two problems:

   1. It requires a (licensed) Windows install handy.

No it doesn't. The MS version of Firefox is running here under Wine with
no problems and definitely no Windows.  Why do you think it needs a
Windows install? 


   2. The solution is only suitable for i386 -- not for amd64, which is
  what I'm using.

Ah well, there you have me!

atb




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build ImageMagick 6.4.4.1_1 from ports failed...

2008-10-29 Thread Aggelidis Nikos
hi to all the list,

i am trying to install ImageMagick 6.4.4.1_1 from the ports system.
The problem seems to be that i can't complete succesfully the tests of
imagemagick. In particular i fail in all the Magick++ tests

[snip]

FAIL: Magick++/tests/exceptions.sh
FAIL: Magick++/tests/appendImages.sh
FAIL: Magick++/tests/attributes.sh
FAIL: Magick++/tests/averageImages.sh
FAIL: Magick++/tests/coalesceImages.sh
FAIL: Magick++/tests/coderInfo.sh
FAIL: Magick++/tests/colorHistogram.sh
FAIL: Magick++/tests/color.sh
FAIL: Magick++/tests/montageImages.sh
FAIL: Magick++/tests/morphImages.sh
FAIL: Magick++/tests/readWriteBlob.sh
FAIL: Magick++/tests/readWriteImages.sh
FAIL: Magick++/demo/analyze.sh
FAIL: Magick++/demo/button.sh
FAIL: Magick++/demo/demo.sh
FAIL: Magick++/demo/flip.sh
FAIL: Magick++/demo/gravity.sh
FAIL: Magick++/demo/piddle.sh
FAIL: Magick++/demo/shapes.sh
FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_bessel.sh
FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_blackman.sh
FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_box.sh
FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_catrom.sh
FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_cubic.sh
FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_gaussian.sh
FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_hamming.sh
FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_hanning.sh
FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_hermite.sh
FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_lanczos.sh
FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_mitchell.sh
FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_point.sh
FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_quadratic.sh
FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_sample.sh
FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_scale.sh
FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_sinc.sh
FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_triangle.sh

[snip]

===
36 of 699 tests failed
Please report to http://www.imagemagick.org
===
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/ImageMagick/work/ImageMagick-6.4.4.
*** Error code 1




What i've tried so far:

* i tried to install using
   portugrade -P -N ImageMagick and then by using
   cd /usr/ports/graphics/ImageMagick/  make install clean
* updated the ports
* installed or updated to the last version all the tools listed from
freshports.org as Required To Build or Required To Run
  Required To Build: lang/perl5.8, devel/pkg-config,
print/ghostscript8-nox11
  Required To Run: lang/perl5.8, devel/pkg-config, print/ghostscript8-nox11
* finally i updated to  libtool-1.5.26 because in
/usr/ports/graphics/ImageMagick/work/ImageMagick-6.4.4/Magick++/tests/attributes.sh
in the comments is mentioned that libtool is needed...

Any ideas will be great! even if they are just directions for where to
look from here...because i am out of ideas..

regards,
nikos
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ports missing their packages.

2008-10-29 Thread FBSD1
It's my understanding that a port maintainer has to install the port for
real any time a change is made to the port make files or a update to the
source of the software to test and verify the changes work as wanted.
Creating the package after this is just one command and a ftp upload to the
package server. Why are maintainers being given approval to apply their
changes without creating the required package? This is just lax management
on the part of the people who do the authorizing of the changes. Missing
packages increases user frustration level and makes FreeBSD look like its
being mis-managed.

An alternate solution to this problem is to allow users to upload missing
packages to the package server direct or to a staging ftp server so port/pkg
management staff can review first and them populate the production package
server.



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RE: flash-9, 10 on FreeBSD

2008-10-29 Thread FBSD1


Mikhail Teterin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Sent by Glyn Millington:
 My solution was to install Wine and run the MS port of Firefox. So far
 it works flawlessly for me.

 This has two problems:

   1. It requires a (licensed) Windows install handy.

No it doesn't. The MS version of Firefox is running here under Wine with
no problems and definitely no Windows.  Why do you think it needs a
Windows install?


   2. The solution is only suitable for i386 -- not for amd64, which is
  what I'm using.

Ah well, there you have me!

Glyn
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What is not clear is do you run wine/firefox from the command line or 
from
within KDE or gnome?

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Re: build ImageMagick 6.4.4.1_1 from ports failed...

2008-10-29 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:33:40AM +0200, Aggelidis Nikos wrote:
 hi to all the list,
 
 i am trying to install ImageMagick 6.4.4.1_1 from the ports system.
 The problem seems to be that i can't complete succesfully the tests of
 imagemagick. In particular i fail in all the Magick++ tests
 
 [snip]
 
 FAIL: Magick++/tests/exceptions.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/tests/appendImages.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/tests/attributes.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/tests/averageImages.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/tests/coalesceImages.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/tests/coderInfo.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/tests/colorHistogram.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/tests/color.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/tests/montageImages.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/tests/morphImages.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/tests/readWriteBlob.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/tests/readWriteImages.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/demo/analyze.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/demo/button.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/demo/demo.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/demo/flip.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/demo/gravity.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/demo/piddle.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/demo/shapes.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_bessel.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_blackman.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_box.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_catrom.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_cubic.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_gaussian.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_hamming.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_hanning.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_hermite.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_lanczos.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_mitchell.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_point.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_quadratic.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_sample.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_scale.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_sinc.sh
 FAIL: Magick++/demo/zoom_triangle.sh
 
 [snip]
 
 ===
 36 of 699 tests failed
 Please report to http://www.imagemagick.org
 ===
 *** Error code 1
 
 Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/ImageMagick/work/ImageMagick-6.4.4.
 *** Error code 1
 
 
 
 
 What i've tried so far:
 
 * i tried to install using
portugrade -P -N ImageMagick and then by using
cd /usr/ports/graphics/ImageMagick/  make install clean
 * updated the ports
 * installed or updated to the last version all the tools listed from
 freshports.org as Required To Build or Required To Run
   Required To Build: lang/perl5.8, devel/pkg-config,
 print/ghostscript8-nox11
   Required To Run: lang/perl5.8, devel/pkg-config, 
 print/ghostscript8-nox11
 * finally i updated to  libtool-1.5.26 because in
 /usr/ports/graphics/ImageMagick/work/ImageMagick-6.4.4/Magick++/tests/attributes.sh
 in the comments is mentioned that libtool is needed...
 
 Any ideas will be great! even if they are just directions for where to
 look from here...because i am out of ideas..

what platform and FBSD version?
did you build with perl support?
mail output of `make showconfig'.
YOu shouldn't need to build each port manually. If you upgrade ImageMagick
with portupgrade or portmaster, all dependencies would have been checked,
and all updates of ports on which IM depends would have been performed.

I've passed all tests on i386 and all but 2 tests on alpha.

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Re: ports missing their packages.

2008-10-29 Thread Erik Trulsson
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 04:09:23PM +0800, FBSD1 wrote:
 It's my understanding that a port maintainer has to install the port for
 real any time a change is made to the port make files or a update to the
 source of the software to test and verify the changes work as wanted.
 Creating the package after this is just one command and a ftp upload to the
 package server. Why are maintainers being given approval to apply their
 changes without creating the required package? This is just lax management
 on the part of the people who do the authorizing of the changes. Missing
 packages increases user frustration level and makes FreeBSD look like its
 being mis-managed.

It is not port managers who create or upload packages.  Most of them do not
even have access to the package server.
The downloadable packages are built and uploaded automatically by a cluster
of servers that do little else.

If a particular port does not have a corresponding package it is generally
not due to laxness on anybodys part.

The main reasons why a port might not have corresponding package are:

1) The port has just been created and the package hasn't had time to built
   yet.  Normally a very temporary situation. 

2) Legal restrictions.  There are several ports where it is simply not legal
   for the FreeBSD project to distribute the corresponding binary packages.

3) The port is currently broken and cannot be built. (This is of course a
   bug which should be fixed as soon as possible.  For ports without a
   maintainer that might take a while.)

4) One or more of the dependencies of the package is not available as a
   package.  (If port A depends on port B, and there does not exist a
   package for B (for any of the reasons listed here) there will not be
   a package of A either.



 
 An alternate solution to this problem is to allow users to upload missing
 packages to the package server direct or to a staging ftp server so port/pkg
 management staff can review first and them populate the production package
 server.

All the packages that can be built and distributed are already being built
and uploaded.  Allowing users to upload packages would not help.



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Calling FBSD1 -

2008-10-29 Thread Glyn Millington

Hi there FBSD1

I note that your system has twice sent a copy of my post, unaltered, in
the thread Flash 9,10 FreeBSD to the freebsd-questions list!

Is there something wrong ?


atb



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RE: ports missing their packages.

2008-10-29 Thread joeb
On Wed, October 29, 2008 9:09 am, FBSD1 wrote:
 It's my understanding that a port maintainer has to install the port for
 real any time a change is made to the port make files or a update to the
 source of the software to test and verify the changes work as wanted.
 Creating the package after this is just one command and a ftp upload to
 the
 package server. Why are maintainers being given approval to apply their
 changes without creating the required package? This is just lax management
 on the part of the people who do the authorizing of the changes. Missing
 packages increases user frustration level and makes FreeBSD look like its
 being mis-managed.

 An alternate solution to this problem is to allow users to upload missing
 packages to the package server direct or to a staging ftp server so
 port/pkg
 management staff can review first and them populate the production package
 server.


There is a certain guideline in place which committers follow. If you have
constructive feedback surely someone will listen to it. Spitting your
frustration is not likely to help. Do note that we have a lot of
maintainers which try to satify each and everyone of us, sending messages
like this is not going to help *you*.

I would have a strong opinion -against- people uploading towarsd the FTP
server directly. That will not be done. period.

To give you a better understanding; We have a ports-cluster which builds
packages and uploads them to the appropriate place on the FTP servers,
sometimes that takes a little to become available, donate more facilities
so that we can do that better. Also note that QAT (a ports tinderbox) runs
periodically to make sure every thing is just fine!

Thanks,
Remko

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Subject: Re: ports missing their packages.


Well if you have this cluster build process why have some ports never been
built all the way back to release 5.0 like kdenetwork-kopete-0.12.8. That is
almost 3 years of waiting to get in the cluster build process. I am grateful
to the maintainers for the great job they do, but completing the job by
building the package is such a small additional task in light of they
already have everything in place to build the package.
Posting a email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or posting a bug report about package
missing does not get the missing package built. Its just considered as
background noise. I have brought this problem to light in past years and new
releases keep coming out with the same packages missing.





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Re: ports missing their packages.

2008-10-29 Thread Remko Lodder

On Wed, October 29, 2008 9:09 am, FBSD1 wrote:
 It's my understanding that a port maintainer has to install the port for
 real any time a change is made to the port make files or a update to the
 source of the software to test and verify the changes work as wanted.
 Creating the package after this is just one command and a ftp upload to
 the
 package server. Why are maintainers being given approval to apply their
 changes without creating the required package? This is just lax management
 on the part of the people who do the authorizing of the changes. Missing
 packages increases user frustration level and makes FreeBSD look like its
 being mis-managed.

 An alternate solution to this problem is to allow users to upload missing
 packages to the package server direct or to a staging ftp server so
 port/pkg
 management staff can review first and them populate the production package
 server.


There is a certain guideline in place which committers follow. If you have
constructive feedback surely someone will listen to it. Spitting your
frustration is not likely to help. Do note that we have a lot of
maintainers which try to satify each and everyone of us, sending messages
like this is not going to help *you*.

I would have a strong opinion -against- people uploading towarsd the FTP
server directly. That will not be done. period.

To give you a better understanding; We have a ports-cluster which builds
packages and uploads them to the appropriate place on the FTP servers,
sometimes that takes a little to become available, donate more facilities
so that we can do that better. Also note that QAT (a ports tinderbox) runs
periodically to make sure every thing is just fine!

Thanks,
Remko

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Re: gmirror slice insertion, FAILURE - READ_DMA status=51READY, DSC, ERROR

2008-10-29 Thread Carl

Jeremy Chadwick wrote:

Seagate chooses to encode some raw data for some SMART attributes in a
custom format.  The format is not publicly documented.  This is why you
have to go off of the adjusted values shown in VALUE/WORST/THRESH.
How am I supposed to know all of this?!  You aren't -- it comes with
experience.


And yet my failing drive's VALUE numbers are still all above their 
THRESH values, despite it being bad enough to cripple the system. One 
might argue those threshold values leave something to be desired.


Is there anything I should know about this model of hard disk with  
regards to being known for problems? Also, is there a good test I can  
perform to hopefully flush out any problems before I put this thing into  
service?


I'm confused: what gives you the impression there's a problem with
*this model* of hard disk?  I've seen no evidence presented that
indicates such.  What makes you ask that question?


I don't have such an impression, thus far. In fact, Seagate drives have 
always been good to me prior to this. It's only a precautionary question 
because it's better to ask now than after I've committed a lot of real 
data and time to it and put it all into service.



Let's take a look at the SMART data.


# smartctl -a /dev/ad4

ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED  
WHEN_FAILED   RAW_VALUE

...

198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   100   000Old_age  Offline
-   0

...


To get an update on Attribute 198, you'd need to run a short offline
test (smartctl -t short /dev/ad4).  You can safely do this while
the disk is in use; don't let the word offline make you think the
disk disappears.  You can watch the status using smartctl -a, and
once its finished, you can compare the old value to the new.  I'm
willing to bet it remains zero.


I ran that test on both drives. ad6 failed immediately at 90% with a 
read failure - not surprising. ad4 completed without error and no 
change in it's values, just as you predicted.



# smartctl -a /dev/ad6

ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED  
WHEN_FAILED   RAW_VALUE

...

  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   036Pre-fail Always 
-   2

...

 10 Spin_Retry_Count0x0013   100   100   097Pre-fail Always 
-   1

...

187 Reported_Uncorrect  0x0032   098   098   000Old_age  Always 
-   2

...

197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   100   100   000Old_age  Always 
-   2
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   100   000Old_age  Offline
-   2

...


And here we see the core of the problem.  :-)



Advice is simple: replace this hard disk.



Hope this helps.


It definitely did, Jeremy. Your explanations were most helpful. Thanks!

Carl / K0802647

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RE: ports missing their packages.

2008-10-29 Thread joeb


-Original Message-
From: Erik Trulsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:47 PM
To: FBSD1
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ORG; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ports missing their packages.

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 04:09:23PM +0800, FBSD1 wrote:
 It's my understanding that a port maintainer has to install the port for
 real any time a change is made to the port make files or a update to the
 source of the software to test and verify the changes work as wanted.
 Creating the package after this is just one command and a ftp upload to
the
 package server. Why are maintainers being given approval to apply their
 changes without creating the required package? This is just lax management
 on the part of the people who do the authorizing of the changes. Missing
 packages increases user frustration level and makes FreeBSD look like its
 being mis-managed.

It is not port managers who create or upload packages.  Most of them do not
even have access to the package server.
The downloadable packages are built and uploaded automatically by a cluster
of servers that do little else.

If a particular port does not have a corresponding package it is generally
not due to laxness on anybodys part.

The main reasons why a port might not have corresponding package are:

1) The port has just been created and the package hasn't had time to built
   yet.  Normally a very temporary situation.

2) Legal restrictions.  There are several ports where it is simply not legal
   for the FreeBSD project to distribute the corresponding binary packages.

3) The port is currently broken and cannot be built. (This is of course a
   bug which should be fixed as soon as possible.  For ports without a
   maintainer that might take a while.)

4) One or more of the dependencies of the package is not available as a
   package.  (If port A depends on port B, and there does not exist a
   package for B (for any of the reasons listed here) there will not be
   a package of A either.




 An alternate solution to this problem is to allow users to upload missing
 packages to the package server direct or to a staging ftp server so
port/pkg
 management staff can review first and them populate the production package
 server.

All the packages that can be built and distributed are already being built
and uploaded.  Allowing users to upload packages would not help.



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-Original Message-
From: Erik Trulsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:47 PM
To: FBSD1
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Subject: Re: ports missing their packages.
How does kdenetwork-kopete-0.12.8 or php5-gd or pdflib fit into those
reasons you gave?
These all have ports but no package for many releases of Freebsd.

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Re: ports missing their packages.

2008-10-29 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2008-Oct-29 16:09:23 +0800, FBSD1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's my understanding that a port maintainer has to install the port for
real any time a change is made to the port make files or a update to the
source of the software to test and verify the changes work as wanted.

I'm not sure what you mean by install the port for real.  A port
maintainer is responsible for updating his/her ports and verifying
that they work.  This presumably includes building and installing
the port.

Creating the package after this is just one command and a ftp upload
to the package server.

This isn't true for a whole variety of reasons.

 Why are maintainers being given approval to apply their
changes without creating the required package?

Because packages aren't required and creation of packages is nothing
to do with ports maintainers.  

 This is just lax management
on the part of the people who do the authorizing of the changes.

I suggest you do a bit more reading and a bit less pontificating.

 Missing
packages increases user frustration level and makes FreeBSD look like its
being mis-managed.

Not all ports have packages for a variety of reasons and there is no
requirement that every port has packages for every supported version
of FreeBSD.

Maybe you need to learn how to cd /usr/ports/...  make install

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Re: Calling FBSD1 -

2008-10-29 Thread Glyn Millington
Glyn Millington [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Hi there FBSD1

 I note that your system has twice sent a copy of my post, unaltered, in
 the thread Flash 9,10 FreeBSD to the freebsd-questions list!

 Is there something wrong ?

Apologies Joeb,   I see now that you did in fact append a question.  But
why two copies?

atb


Glyn
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tangoGPS FreeBSD 7.0

2008-10-29 Thread Matthias Apitz

Hello,

Is anybody aware of a port of tangoGPS http://www.tangogps.org/gps/cat/About
to FreeBSD 7.0? It runs it in my Linux based cellphone Openmoko
FreeRunner and it would be nice to have it as well in my eeePC (just for
having better capacity for cached maps of OpenStreetMap and a bigger
display). What kind of USB based GPS devices could be used in this
eeePC with FreeBSD 7.0?

Thx

matthias
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Re: flash-9, 10 on FreeBSD

2008-10-29 Thread Glyn Millington
FBSD1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Mikhail Teterin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Sent by Glyn Millington:
 My solution was to install Wine and run the MS port of Firefox. So far
 it works flawlessly for me.

 This has two problems:

   1. It requires a (licensed) Windows install handy.

 No it doesn't. The MS version of Firefox is running here under Wine with
 no problems and definitely no Windows.  Why do you think it needs a
 Windows install?


   2. The solution is only suitable for i386 -- not for amd64, which is
  what I'm using.

 Ah well, there you have me!

 Glyn
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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Glyn Millington
 Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:41 PM
 To: Mikhail Teterin
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Danielisz Laszlo; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: flash-9, 10 on FreeBSD

   What is not clear is do you run wine/firefox from the command line or 
 from
 within KDE or gnome?

An answer to this question and an apology for missing the question the
first time.  

Neither.  I use good old Fvwm, but actually launch MS Firefox from the
Rox filer.

I was surprised at how easy this was to set up.  I don't say it is right
or clever, but it does work, and I'm not so very interested in Flash that
I want to spend ages fiddling to make it work in the other ways that have
been suggested.  I'm getting older so like to pick my fights with care!


atb


Glyn
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Re: collecting pv entries -- suggest increasing PMAP_SHPGPERPROC

2008-10-29 Thread Mel
On Tuesday 28 October 2008 15:44:49 Francis Dubé wrote:
 Jeremy Chadwick a écrit :
  On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:56:30PM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote:
  On Oct 27, 2008, at 12:38 PM, FreeBSD wrote:
  You need to keep your MaxClients setting limited to what your system
  can run under high load; generally the amount of system memory is the
  governing factor. [1]  If you set your MaxClients higher than that,
  your system will start swapping under the load and once you start
  hitting VM, it's game over: your throughput will plummet and clients
  will start getting lots of broken connections, just as you describe.
 
  According to top, we have about 2G of Inactive RAM with 1,5G Active
  (4G total RAM with amd64). Swapping is not a problem in this case.
 
  With 4GB of RAM, you're less likely to run into issues, but the most
  relevant numbers would be the Swap: line in top under high load, or the
  output of vmstat 1 / vmstat -s.

 We're monitoring our swap with cacti, and we've never been swapping even
 during high load because we dont let apache spawn enough process to do so.

  It would also be helpful to know what your httpd's are looking like in
  terms of size, and what your content is like.  For Apache serving mostly
  static content and not including mod_perl, mod_php, etc, you tend to
  have 5-10MB processes and much of that is shared, so you might well be
  able to run 400+ httpd children.  On the other hand, as soon as you pull
  in the dynamic language modules like perl or PHP, you end up with much
  larger process sizes (20 - 40 MB) and much more of their memory usage is
  per-process rather than shared, so even with 4GB you probably won't be
  able to run more than 100-150 children before swapping.

 Here's an example of top's output regarding our httpd process :
 54326 apache1  960   156M 13108K select 1   0:00  0.15% httpd
 54952 apache1  960   156M 12684K select 1   0:00  0.10% httpd
 52343 apache1   40   155M 12280K select 0   0:01  0.10% httpd

 Most of our page are in HTML with a LOT of images. Few PHP pages, very
 light PHP processing.

Then your best bet is to properly set up mod_expires for the images. More then 
anything else that will reduce the load on your server.

http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_expires.html#expiresbytype

The better solution involves recoding your site to serve images from a 
different webserver (can be the same machine, simply use a very light jail). 
This installation only loads mod_expires and mod_headers and serves images 
only.

I would do this regardless, for two reasons:
1) You will almost certainly get rid of PMAP_SHPGPERPROC on the document 
server
2) You will more easily detect bottlenecks in scripts, because the problem is 
not aggrevated/masked by the image serving.
-- 
Mel

Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules
and never get to the software part.
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Re: ports missing their packages.

2008-10-29 Thread Erik Trulsson
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:02:14PM +0800, joeb wrote:

 How does kdenetwork-kopete-0.12.8 or php5-gd or pdflib fit into those
 reasons you gave?
 These all have ports but no package for many releases of Freebsd.
 

For print/pdflib it is legal restrictions. (The Makefile says
RESTRICTED= many odd restrictions on usage and distribution)

As for graphics/php5-gd and net-im/kopete ports, they both seem to be available
as pre-built packages so I am not sure what problem you are having with them.



 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Erik Trulsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:47 PM
 To: FBSD1
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ORG; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: ports missing their packages.
 
 On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 04:09:23PM +0800, FBSD1 wrote:
  It's my understanding that a port maintainer has to install the port for
  real any time a change is made to the port make files or a update to the
  source of the software to test and verify the changes work as wanted.
  Creating the package after this is just one command and a ftp upload to
 the
  package server. Why are maintainers being given approval to apply their
  changes without creating the required package? This is just lax management
  on the part of the people who do the authorizing of the changes. Missing
  packages increases user frustration level and makes FreeBSD look like its
  being mis-managed.
 
 It is not port managers who create or upload packages.  Most of them do not
 even have access to the package server.
 The downloadable packages are built and uploaded automatically by a cluster
 of servers that do little else.
 
 If a particular port does not have a corresponding package it is generally
 not due to laxness on anybodys part.
 
 The main reasons why a port might not have corresponding package are:
 
 1) The port has just been created and the package hasn't had time to built
yet.  Normally a very temporary situation.
 
 2) Legal restrictions.  There are several ports where it is simply not legal
for the FreeBSD project to distribute the corresponding binary packages.
 
 3) The port is currently broken and cannot be built. (This is of course a
bug which should be fixed as soon as possible.  For ports without a
maintainer that might take a while.)
 
 4) One or more of the dependencies of the package is not available as a
package.  (If port A depends on port B, and there does not exist a
package for B (for any of the reasons listed here) there will not be
a package of A either.
 
 
 
 
  An alternate solution to this problem is to allow users to upload missing
  packages to the package server direct or to a staging ftp server so
 port/pkg
  management staff can review first and them populate the production package
  server.
 
 All the packages that can be built and distributed are already being built
 and uploaded.  Allowing users to upload packages would not help.
 




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Re: ports missing their packages.

2008-10-29 Thread andrew clarke
On Wed 2008-10-29 16:53:26 UTC+0800, joeb ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 Well if you have this cluster build process why have some ports never been
 built all the way back to release 5.0 like kdenetwork-kopete-0.12.8. That is
 almost 3 years of waiting to get in the cluster build process.

You need to understand that the FreeBSD project by its nature is
primarily source-code driven.  Making packages available (of any port)
is of very low priority in comparison to the rest of the system
(testing, documentation, etc).  Demanding that the FreeBSD volunteers
build a package just because you want to use it is a bit unfair,
particularly when you can make one yourself without much trouble.
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Re: gmirror slice insertion, FAILURE - READ_DMA status=51READY, DSC, ERROR

2008-10-29 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 02:00:21AM -0700, Carl wrote:
 Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
 Seagate chooses to encode some raw data for some SMART attributes in a
 custom format.  The format is not publicly documented.  This is why you
 have to go off of the adjusted values shown in VALUE/WORST/THRESH.
 How am I supposed to know all of this?!  You aren't -- it comes with
 experience.

 And yet my failing drive's VALUE numbers are still all above their  
 THRESH values, despite it being bad enough to cripple the system. One  
 might argue those threshold values leave something to be desired.

I'd urge you to file complaint(s) with drive manufacturers, as they're
the ones who decide the values.  Thresholds are not defined per the
ATA-ATAPI specification, so technically they can pick whatever value
they want.  This is exactly why you'll encounter people screaming SMART
is worthless, the drive is already dead by the time the overall SMART
health check fails!

If you go this route, please CC me, as I'd be quite to see what
manufacturers have to say.

-- 
| Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com |
| Parodius Networking   http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator  Mountain View, CA, USA |
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Re: ports missing their packages.

2008-10-29 Thread Scot Hetzel
On 10/29/08, FBSD1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's my understanding that a port maintainer has to install the port for
  real any time a change is made to the port make files or a update to the
  source of the software to test and verify the changes work as wanted.

Port maintainers usually verify that an updated port will build and
work correctly with their currently installed ports.

  Creating the package after this is just one command and a ftp upload to the
  package server. Why are maintainers being given approval to apply their
  changes without creating the required package?

So you are advocating that port maintainers have to create packages
for all the supported FreeBSD architecture's (amd64, arm, i386, ia64,
mips, pc98, powerpc, sparc64, sun4v).  That would be 9 packages
needing to be created at the time the port maintainer submits the
upgrade PR.

We have the package cluster to automate these builds.

 This is just lax management
  on the part of the people who do the authorizing of the changes. Missing
  packages increases user frustration level and makes FreeBSD look like its
  being mis-managed.

Some packages have to remain missing due to their license restricting
redistribution of the compiled softare.  This can cause other ports
that don't have a restrictive license to fail building because
one/more of it's dependencies has this restrictive license.

  An alternate solution to this problem is to allow users to upload missing
  packages to the package server direct or to a staging ftp server so port/pkg
  management staff can review first and them populate the production package
  server.

This solution won't work, if the user has custom compile flags and/or
builds the port with non-default options defined in /etc/make.conf or
using 'make config'.  The next user who downloads the port might get a
package that doesn't function the same as the previous version.

The package may not even work on that users computer (i.e. package
compiled for k8 processor installed on a pentium4 system).

The best solution to find out why a package is not being built for a
port is to check it's Makefile, and the Makefiles of it's
dependencies.   Also looking at http://portsmon.freebsd.org/ to find
out why a port has failed to build a package.  If you can't find a
reason for why the package failed to build, then send a message to the
maintainers, and the ports list to have some one look into the
problem.  It could be as simple as forgetting to add the ports
subdirectory to the category Makefile (i.e www/Makefile).

Scot
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Re: Newbie question about pkg_add

2008-10-29 Thread Canhua
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Steven Susbauer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ports-mgmt/portupgrade is a useful tool for easily getting packages and
 ports, it includes the tool portinstall which does what it says it does.
 By running portinstall -P pkgname, it will install a port and
 dependencies with packages if available, otherwise they are built from
 source.

 portsman and portmanager are some other frontend tools that can help
 with package administration, it's really up to your own tastes.

 -Steve

I tried portinstall, although dependecies are install with port sources still.
It take me a whole afternoon to portinstall math/py-neworkx, and it
still doesn't complete as yet.
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RE: ports missing their packages.

2008-10-29 Thread Remko Lodder

On Wed, October 29, 2008 9:53 am, joeb wrote:
 On Wed, October 29, 2008 9:09 am, FBSD1 wrote:
 It's my understanding that a port maintainer has to install the port for
 real any time a change is made to the port make files or a update to the
 source of the software to test and verify the changes work as wanted.
 Creating the package after this is just one command and a ftp upload to
 the
 package server. Why are maintainers being given approval to apply their
 changes without creating the required package? This is just lax
 management
 on the part of the people who do the authorizing of the changes. Missing
 packages increases user frustration level and makes FreeBSD look like
 its
 being mis-managed.

 An alternate solution to this problem is to allow users to upload
 missing
 packages to the package server direct or to a staging ftp server so
 port/pkg
 management staff can review first and them populate the production
 package
 server.


 There is a certain guideline in place which committers follow. If you have
 constructive feedback surely someone will listen to it. Spitting your
 frustration is not likely to help. Do note that we have a lot of
 maintainers which try to satify each and everyone of us, sending messages
 like this is not going to help *you*.

 I would have a strong opinion -against- people uploading towarsd the FTP
 server directly. That will not be done. period.

 To give you a better understanding; We have a ports-cluster which builds
 packages and uploads them to the appropriate place on the FTP servers,
 sometimes that takes a little to become available, donate more facilities
 so that we can do that better. Also note that QAT (a ports tinderbox) runs
 periodically to make sure every thing is just fine!

 Thanks,
 Remko

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 -Original Message-
 From: Remko Lodder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:17 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ORG; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: ports missing their packages.


 Well if you have this cluster build process why have some ports never been
 built all the way back to release 5.0 like kdenetwork-kopete-0.12.8. That
 is
 almost 3 years of waiting to get in the cluster build process.

There might be reasons for packages not being built, sometimes it's an
license issue, sometimes the package does not build etc. It's not
something that you can demand that you need a package that it gets there.
There is more to it then just build the freaking thing ;-)

 I am
 grateful
 to the maintainers for the great job they do, but completing the job by
 building the package is such a small additional task in light of they
 already have everything in place to build the package.

It's not, we have guidelines that we have to follow in order to keep
things managable.

 Posting a email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or posting a bug report about package
 missing does not get the missing package built. Its just considered as
 background noise. I have brought this problem to light in past years and
 new
 releases keep coming out with the same packages missing.

Then apparantly there is no need for your idea and it will not get
implemented. Stating that a package is missing, soit, we build packages
all the time and as said there are reasons for some ports not being build
into packages etc. First investigate that before complaining this loud.

We have been in this proces before with you (Bob was your name back then
if I remember correctly).

Thnx,
Remko









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Re: ports missing their packages.

2008-10-29 Thread freebsd
andrew clarke mail_ozzmosis.com said (on 2008/10/29):
 You need to understand that the FreeBSD project by its nature is
 primarily source-code driven.  Making packages available (of any port)
 is of very low priority in comparison to the rest of the system
 (testing, documentation, etc).  Demanding that the FreeBSD volunteers
 build a package just because you want to use it is a bit unfair,
 particularly when you can make one yourself without much trouble.

I'm not sure I got all the emails in this thread... maybe some just
haven't arrived yet.

Anyway... I, for one, depend on packages. It literally takes days to 
build something like Firefox on my (admittedly old) computer. I'm 
surprised that package creation is such a low priority. Are there so 
few people running FreeBSD on old hardware?


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Re: build ImageMagick 6.4.4.1_1 from ports failed...

2008-10-29 Thread Manolis Kiagias

Aggelidis Nikos wrote:

hi to all the list,

i am trying to install ImageMagick 6.4.4.1_1 from the ports system.
The problem seems to be that i can't complete succesfully the tests of
imagemagick. In particular i fail in all the Magick++ tests

[snip]


  


If I remember well, this is a known issue.  Change to the port's 
directory, execute make config, and deselect IMAGEMAGICK_TESTS from the 
options dialog. It should build and install fine.

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Re: GPT Support on Freebsd

2008-10-29 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Franck Royer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Can I oblige pcbsd to look the gpt table instead of the msdos one ? How
 can I access to my fifth partition ?

John Baldwin (jhb) has been working on GPT support, but it's still
reported to be a work in progress. It works as far as recognizing
disks over 16TB.  It also gets picked up by the geom framework.  I'm
not sure about booting, although there are tantalizing hints in the
manual pages.  

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Re: build ImageMagick 6.4.4.1_1 from ports failed...

2008-10-29 Thread Aggelidis Nikos
Here are the configurations options:

=== The following configuration options are available for
ImageMagick-6.4.4.1_1:
 X11=on X11 support
 IMAGEMAGICK_TESTS=on Run bundled self-tests after build
 IMAGEMAGICK_OPENMP=off OpenMP for SMP (needs threads)
 IMAGEMAGICK_PERL=on Perl support
 IMAGEMAGICK_MODULES=off Modules support (broken)
 IMAGEMAGICK_BZLIB=on Bzlib support
 IMAGEMAGICK_16BIT_PIXEL=on 16bit pixel support
 IMAGEMAGICK_DJVU=off DJVU format support (needs threads)
 IMAGEMAGICK_LCMS=on LCMS support
 IMAGEMAGICK_HDRI=off High Dynamic Range Images (HDRI)
 IMAGEMAGICK_TTF=on Freetype support
 IMAGEMAGICK_FONTCONFIG=on Fontconfig support
 IMAGEMAGICK_JPEG=on JPG format support
 IMAGEMAGICK_OPENEXR=off OpenEXR support (needs threads)
 IMAGEMAGICK_PNG=on PNG format support
 IMAGEMAGICK_TIFF=on TIFF format support
 IMAGEMAGICK_FPX=on FPX format support
 IMAGEMAGICK_JBIG=on JBIG format support
 IMAGEMAGICK_JPEG2000=on JPEG2000 format support
 IMAGEMAGICK_DOT=off GraphViz dot graphs support
 IMAGEMAGICK_WMF=off WMF format support
 IMAGEMAGICK_SVG=off SVG format support
 IMAGEMAGICK_PDF=on PDF format support
 IMAGEMAGICK_GSLIB=off libgs (Postscript SHLIB) support
=== Use 'make config' to modify these settings

 what platform and FBSD version?

#uname -a: FreeBSD apollo 7.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #0: Sun Feb
24 19:59:52 UTC 2008
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  i386

 did you build with perl support?
yes


 If I remember well, this is a known issue.  Change to the port's directory,
 execute make config, and deselect IMAGEMAGICK_TESTS from the options dialog.
 It should build and install fine.

oh i didn't know this, but Anton stated that
 I've passed all tests on i386

So you think i should disable the tests and recompile?

thank you all for your help so far,
nikos
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Re: ports missing their packages.

2008-10-29 Thread andrew clarke
On Wed 2008-10-29 04:10:33 UTC-0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:

 I'm not sure I got all the emails in this thread... maybe some just
 haven't arrived yet.

It began on freebsd-ports, then the OP started cross-posting to
-questions, so I moved my replies to -questions.

 Anyway... I, for one, depend on packages. It literally takes days to 
 build something like Firefox on my (admittedly old) computer. I'm 
 surprised that package creation is such a low priority. Are there so 
 few people running FreeBSD on old hardware?

Well, FF eats memory.  Just running it on something older than that is
not going to be a pleasant experience.  I imagine most people using
Firefox are probably using fairly modern hardware, built within the
last 4 years or so.  

I built Firefox from ports on a 5 year old 1.6 GHz PC running 7.0-REL
in 256 Mb RAM.  It certainly didn't take _days_ to build.  From memory
I ran it overnight and it was done in the morning.  I would've killed
the build if it was still running when I woke up.

Anyway, Firefox is a pretty complicated piece of software.  Most ports
don't take anything like that long to build.  In any case, there are
packages of Firefox available, so it's not as bad as you make out!

ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-6-stable/www/firefox-2.0.0.17,1.tbz
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-6-stable/www/firefox-3.0.3,1.tbz

ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-7-stable/www/firefox-2.0.0.17,1.tbz
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-7-stable/www/firefox-3.0.3,1.tbz
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Re: build ImageMagick 6.4.4.1_1 from ports failed...

2008-10-29 Thread Manolis Kiagias

Aggelidis Nikos wrote:

Here are the configurations options:

=== The following configuration options are available for
ImageMagick-6.4.4.1_1:
 X11=on X11 support
 IMAGEMAGICK_TESTS=on Run bundled self-tests after build
 IMAGEMAGICK_OPENMP=off OpenMP for SMP (needs threads)
 IMAGEMAGICK_PERL=on Perl support
 IMAGEMAGICK_MODULES=off Modules support (broken)
 IMAGEMAGICK_BZLIB=on Bzlib support
 IMAGEMAGICK_16BIT_PIXEL=on 16bit pixel support
 IMAGEMAGICK_DJVU=off DJVU format support (needs threads)
 IMAGEMAGICK_LCMS=on LCMS support
 IMAGEMAGICK_HDRI=off High Dynamic Range Images (HDRI)
 IMAGEMAGICK_TTF=on Freetype support
 IMAGEMAGICK_FONTCONFIG=on Fontconfig support
 IMAGEMAGICK_JPEG=on JPG format support
 IMAGEMAGICK_OPENEXR=off OpenEXR support (needs threads)
 IMAGEMAGICK_PNG=on PNG format support
 IMAGEMAGICK_TIFF=on TIFF format support
 IMAGEMAGICK_FPX=on FPX format support
 IMAGEMAGICK_JBIG=on JBIG format support
 IMAGEMAGICK_JPEG2000=on JPEG2000 format support
 IMAGEMAGICK_DOT=off GraphViz dot graphs support
 IMAGEMAGICK_WMF=off WMF format support
 IMAGEMAGICK_SVG=off SVG format support
 IMAGEMAGICK_PDF=on PDF format support
 IMAGEMAGICK_GSLIB=off libgs (Postscript SHLIB) support
=== Use 'make config' to modify these settings

  

what platform and FBSD version?



#uname -a: FreeBSD apollo 7.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #0: Sun Feb
24 19:59:52 UTC 2008
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  i386

  

did you build with perl support?


yes

  

If I remember well, this is a known issue.  Change to the port's directory,
execute make config, and deselect IMAGEMAGICK_TESTS from the options dialog.
It should build and install fine.



oh i didn't know this, but Anton stated that
  

I've passed all tests on i386



So you think i should disable the tests and recompile?

thank you all for your help so far,
nikos
  


AFAIR, there was a discussion about this not so long ago, and compiling 
without the tests was a proposed solution. In fact, I just checked my 
system and I have ImageMagick installed without the tests in the config 
options.

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Re: build ImageMagick 6.4.4.1_1 from ports failed...

2008-10-29 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:52:08PM +0200, Aggelidis Nikos wrote:
 Here are the configurations options:
 
 === The following configuration options are available for
 ImageMagick-6.4.4.1_1:
  X11=on X11 support
  IMAGEMAGICK_TESTS=on Run bundled self-tests after build
  IMAGEMAGICK_OPENMP=off OpenMP for SMP (needs threads)
  IMAGEMAGICK_PERL=on Perl support
  IMAGEMAGICK_MODULES=off Modules support (broken)
  IMAGEMAGICK_BZLIB=on Bzlib support
  IMAGEMAGICK_16BIT_PIXEL=on 16bit pixel support
  IMAGEMAGICK_DJVU=off DJVU format support (needs threads)
  IMAGEMAGICK_LCMS=on LCMS support
  IMAGEMAGICK_HDRI=off High Dynamic Range Images (HDRI)
  IMAGEMAGICK_TTF=on Freetype support
  IMAGEMAGICK_FONTCONFIG=on Fontconfig support
  IMAGEMAGICK_JPEG=on JPG format support
  IMAGEMAGICK_OPENEXR=off OpenEXR support (needs threads)
  IMAGEMAGICK_PNG=on PNG format support
  IMAGEMAGICK_TIFF=on TIFF format support
  IMAGEMAGICK_FPX=on FPX format support
  IMAGEMAGICK_JBIG=on JBIG format support
  IMAGEMAGICK_JPEG2000=on JPEG2000 format support
  IMAGEMAGICK_DOT=off GraphViz dot graphs support
  IMAGEMAGICK_WMF=off WMF format support
  IMAGEMAGICK_SVG=off SVG format support
  IMAGEMAGICK_PDF=on PDF format support
  IMAGEMAGICK_GSLIB=off libgs (Postscript SHLIB) support
 === Use 'make config' to modify these settings
 
  what platform and FBSD version?
 
 #uname -a: FreeBSD apollo 7.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #0: Sun Feb
 24 19:59:52 UTC 2008
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  i386
 
  did you build with perl support?
 yes
 
 
  If I remember well, this is a known issue.  Change to the port's directory,
  execute make config, and deselect IMAGEMAGICK_TESTS from the options dialog.
  It should build and install fine.
 
 oh i didn't know this, but Anton stated that
  I've passed all tests on i386
 
 So you think i should disable the tests and recompile?

In any case you can build and install without tests,
and then do 'make check' separately.

I'm building IM on i386 7.0-stable and 8.0-current.
Will let you know how the tests go soon.

Post also your /etc/make.conf

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Re: build ImageMagick 6.4.4.1_1 from ports failed...

2008-10-29 Thread Aggelidis Nikos
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Anton Shterenlikht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In any case you can build and install without tests,
 and then do 'make check' separately.

 I'm building IM on i386 7.0-stable and 8.0-current.
 Will let you know how the tests go soon.

 Post also your /etc/make.conf


here it is:
NO_OPENSSH = YES
# added by use.perl 2008-10-28 20:44:42
PERL_VER=5.8.8
PERL_VERSION=5.8.8

i will try and build without the tests
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Re: tangoGPS FreeBSD 7.0

2008-10-29 Thread Rui Paulo


On 29 Oct 2008, at 09:25, Matthias Apitz wrote:



Hello,

Is anybody aware of a port of tangoGPS http://www.tangogps.org/gps/cat/About
to FreeBSD 7.0? It runs it in my Linux based cellphone Openmoko
FreeRunner and it would be nice to have it as well in my eeePC (just  
for

having better capacity for cached maps of OpenStreetMap and a bigger
display). What kind of USB based GPS devices could be used in this
eeePC with FreeBSD 7.0?


Googling shows http://www.deluoelectronics.com/customer/product.php?productid=60cat=0page 
 as a possible option. I don't have it, but people have been using it  
with FreeBSD, as far as I can tell.


Regards,
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Re: ports missing their packages.

2008-10-29 Thread mdh
--- On Wed, 10/29/08, FBSD1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From: FBSD1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: ports missing their packages.
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ORG freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 4:09 AM
 It's my understanding that a port maintainer has to
 install the port for
 real any time a change is made to the port make files or a
 update to the
 source of the software to test and verify the changes work
 as wanted.
 Creating the package after this is just one command and a
 ftp upload to the
 package server. Why are maintainers being given approval to
 apply their
 changes without creating the required package? This is just
 lax management
 on the part of the people who do the authorizing of the
 changes. Missing
 packages increases user frustration level and makes FreeBSD
 look like its
 being mis-managed.

Very few port maintainers have access to simply upload a package to the ftp 
servers.  This just isn't how the system works.  During the process of checking 
to ensure that a port was built or updated sanely, we do create a package, just 
to ensure that that make target works as expected.  Port maintainers are not 
the ones responsible for the entire system, only for maintaining a few files 
which folks get in the ports tree.  

 
 An alternate solution to this problem is to allow users to
 upload missing
 packages to the package server direct or to a staging ftp
 server so port/pkg
 management staff can review first and them populate the
 production package
 server.

Yeah, that's sane.  Nobody will ever just upload something that demands to be 
run as root, then changes the root password, enables telnet, and hops on IRC to 
notify the person who uploaded it, or something.  

The system does work.  It just doesn't provide instant gratification.  If you 
really need things to happen in real-time, email the FreeBSD Foundation and 
find out how much cash it'd take for additional hardware to make that a 
reality, then send them that much cash.  

- mdh



  
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HP Proliant DL360 G5

2008-10-29 Thread Julien Cigar
Dear FreeBSD users,

Our hardware begins to age and we plan to buy two new machines at HP.
Our choice focused on the HP Proliant DL360 G5. As HP doesn't officially
support FreeBSD, I checked with the 7.0-RELEASE Hardware Notes and
everything seems to be supported, except the network interface which is
an HP NC373i. From what I can see, only NC370i and NC370T are supported.

Can someone confirm that this chip is not supported (and that the rest
is OK) ? If you have other comments about our choice they are welcome
too ...

Thanks,
Julien




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Re: HP Proliant DL360 G5

2008-10-29 Thread Michael Lednev

Julien Cigar пишет:

Dear FreeBSD users,

Our hardware begins to age and we plan to buy two new machines at HP.
Our choice focused on the HP Proliant DL360 G5. As HP doesn't officially
support FreeBSD, I checked with the 7.0-RELEASE Hardware Notes and
everything seems to be supported, except the network interface which is
an HP NC373i. From what I can see, only NC370i and NC370T are supported.

Can someone confirm that this chip is not supported (and that the rest
is OK) ? If you have other comments about our choice they are welcome
too ...
  

from dmesg

bce0: Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5708 1000Base-T (B2) mem 
0xf800-0xf9ff irq 18 at device 0.0 on pci3

miibus0: MII bus on bce0
brgphy0: BCM5708C 10/100/1000baseTX PHY PHY 1 on miibus0
brgphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseT, 
1000baseT-FDX, auto

bce0: Ethernet address: 00:22:64:06:f8:96
bce0: [ITHREAD]
bce0: ASIC (0x57081020); Rev (B2); Bus (PCI-X, 64-bit, 133MHz); F/W 
(0x01090605); Flags( MFW MSI )
bce1: Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5708 1000Base-T (B2) mem 
0xfa00-0xfbff irq 19 at device 0.0 on pci5

miibus1: MII bus on bce1
brgphy1: BCM5708C 10/100/1000baseTX PHY PHY 1 on miibus1
brgphy1:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseT, 
1000baseT-FDX, auto

bce1: Ethernet address: 00:22:64:06:f8:8a
bce1: [ITHREAD]
bce1: ASIC (0x57081020); Rev (B2); Bus (PCI-X, 64-bit, 133MHz); F/W 
(0x01090605); Flags( MFW MSI )


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Re: HP Proliant DL360 G5

2008-10-29 Thread Olivier Mueller
Hello,

On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 13:27 +0100, Julien Cigar wrote:
 Our hardware begins to age and we plan to buy two new machines at HP.
 Our choice focused on the HP Proliant DL360 G5. As HP doesn't officially
 support FreeBSD, I checked with the 7.0-RELEASE Hardware Notes and
 everything seems to be supported, except the network interface which is
 an HP NC373i. From what I can see, only NC370i and NC370T are supported.
 Can someone confirm that this chip is not supported

I have just got two new DL360G5 with xeon E5420 cpus  (HP Ref Number:
470064-731), and the on-board network cards are seen from FreeBSD7 as:

bce0: Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5708 1000Base-T (B2) mem
0xf800-0xf9ff irq 18 at device 0.0 on pci3
miibus0: MII bus on bce0
brgphy0: BCM5708C 10/100/1000baseTX PHY PHY 1 on miibus0
brgphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseT,
1000baseT-FDX, auto
bce0: Ethernet address: 00:21:5a:a6:8f:f0
bce0: [ITHREAD]
bce0: ASIC (0x57081020); Rev (B2); Bus (PCI-X, 64-bit, 133MHz); F/W
(0x01090605); Flags( MFW MSI )

So there are good chances it's the same on your setup?   But maybe it's
a new model of mainboard... 

regards  HTH,
Olivier


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Re: build ImageMagick 6.4.4.1_1 from ports failed...

2008-10-29 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 02:49:36PM +0200, Aggelidis Nikos wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Anton Shterenlikht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  In any case you can build and install without tests,
  and then do 'make check' separately.
 
  I'm building IM on i386 7.0-stable and 8.0-current.
  Will let you know how the tests go soon.
 
  Post also your /etc/make.conf
 
 
 here it is:
 NO_OPENSSH = YES
 # added by use.perl 2008-10-28 20:44:42
 PERL_VER=5.8.8
 PERL_VERSION=5.8.8

Your NO_OPENSSH = YES line is broken, by the way.  You have a space
between the H and the =.

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Re: HP Proliant DL360 G5

2008-10-29 Thread Julien Cigar
The one we plan to buy is this one (457922-421) :
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/be/fr/sm/WF06b/15351-15351-3328412-241475-241475-1121486-3633805.html

It seems to be the same network chipset as in yours ..
(https://h10057.www1.hp.com/ecomcat/hpcatalog/specs/provisioner/05/470064-731.htm)

So I can consider that it's supported .. good! :-)

Thanks for your answers

On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 14:05 +0100, Olivier Mueller wrote:
 Hello,
 
 On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 13:27 +0100, Julien Cigar wrote:
  Our hardware begins to age and we plan to buy two new machines at HP.
  Our choice focused on the HP Proliant DL360 G5. As HP doesn't officially
  support FreeBSD, I checked with the 7.0-RELEASE Hardware Notes and
  everything seems to be supported, except the network interface which is
  an HP NC373i. From what I can see, only NC370i and NC370T are supported.
  Can someone confirm that this chip is not supported
 
 I have just got two new DL360G5 with xeon E5420 cpus  (HP Ref Number:
 470064-731), and the on-board network cards are seen from FreeBSD7 as:
 
 bce0: Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5708 1000Base-T (B2) mem
 0xf800-0xf9ff irq 18 at device 0.0 on pci3
 miibus0: MII bus on bce0
 brgphy0: BCM5708C 10/100/1000baseTX PHY PHY 1 on miibus0
 brgphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseT,
 1000baseT-FDX, auto
 bce0: Ethernet address: 00:21:5a:a6:8f:f0
 bce0: [ITHREAD]
 bce0: ASIC (0x57081020); Rev (B2); Bus (PCI-X, 64-bit, 133MHz); F/W
 (0x01090605); Flags( MFW MSI )
 
 So there are good chances it's the same on your setup?   But maybe it's
 a new model of mainboard... 
 
 regards  HTH,
 Olivier
 
 
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Re: build ImageMagick 6.4.4.1_1 from ports failed...

2008-10-29 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 02:47:03PM +0200, Aggelidis Nikos wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Anton Shterenlikht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  In any case you can build and install without tests,
  and then do 'make check' separately.
 
  I'm building IM on i386 7.0-stable and 8.0-current.
  Will let you know how the tests go soon.
 
  Post also your /etc/make.conf
 
 here it is:
 NO_OPENSSH = YES
 # added by use.perl 2008-10-28 20:44:42
 PERL_VER=5.8.8
 PERL_VERSION=5.8.8
 
 i will try and build without the tests

not sure if it is related to your problems, but
I'm surprised you haven't got at least this in your /etc/make.conf

CFLAGS= -O -pipe
MAKE_SHELL=sh
BDECFLAGS=  -W -Wall -ansi -pedantic -Wbad-function-cast -Wcast-align \
-Wcast-qual -Wchar-subscripts -Winline \
-Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith \
-Wredundant-decls -Wshadow -Wstrict-prototypes -Wwrite-strings
COPTFLAGS= -O -pipe
INSTALL=install -C

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Re: Newbie question about pkg_add

2008-10-29 Thread Thiago R. Santos
On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 11:14 +0800, Canhua wrote:
 Hi, good day all. I am new to FreeBSD.
 I tried to pkg_add -r a package (py-networkx), which tell me that:
 Error: FTP Unable to get ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/
 FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-7.0-release/Latest/py-networkx.tbz:
 File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access)
 
 although I know that py-network does exist in /usr/ports.
 Actually I could go to /usr/ports/math/py-networkx and make install
 using ports means.
 
 Then I could learn from this that there are softwares that could be
 install from ports while not able to be added from package system?
 Am I right?

The package name of this port is 'py25-networkx'. You can use the
Freshports.org search to find the package names.

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Re: build ImageMagick 6.4.4.1_1 from ports failed...

2008-10-29 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:17:23PM +0200, Manolis Kiagias wrote:
 Aggelidis Nikos wrote:
  hi to all the list,
 
  i am trying to install ImageMagick 6.4.4.1_1 from the ports system.
  The problem seems to be that i can't complete succesfully the tests of
  imagemagick. In particular i fail in all the Magick++ tests
 
  [snip]
 
 

 
 If I remember well, this is a known issue.  Change to the port's 
 directory, execute make config, and deselect IMAGEMAGICK_TESTS from the 
 options dialog. It should build and install fine.

on i386 7.0-release:

[skip]

PASS: utilities/tests/wave.sh
PASS: utilities/tests/montage.sh

All 699 tests passed

cd PerlMagick  make CC='cc -std=gnu99' test
/bin/sh ../magick.sh PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.8 -MExtUtils::Com
mand::MM -e test_harness(0, 'blib/lib', 'blib/arch') t/*.t t/bzlib/*.t t/fp
x/*.t t/jbig/*.t t/jpeg/*.t t/jp2/*.t t/png/*.t t/tiff/*.t t/wmf/*.t t/zlib/*.t
t/blobok
t/bzlib/read..ok
t/bzlib/write.ok
t/composite...ok
t/filter..ok
t/fpx/readok
t/fpx/write...ok
t/getattributeok
t/jbig/read...ok
t/jbig/write..ok
t/jp2/readok
t/jpeg/read...ok
t/jpeg/write..ok
t/montage.ok
t/png/read-16.ok
t/png/readok
t/png/write-16ok
t/png/write...ok
t/readok
t/setattributeok
t/tiff/read...ok
t/tiff/write..ok
t/wmf/readok
t/write...ok
t/zlib/read...ok
t/zlib/write..ok
All tests successful.
Files=26, Tests=343, 130 wallclock secs ( 0.45 cusr +  0.06 csys =  0.52 CPU)
#

on i386 8.0-current (faster box):

PASS: utilities/tests/wave.sh
PASS: utilities/tests/montage.sh

All 699 tests passed

cd PerlMagick  make CC='cc -std=gnu99' test
/bin/sh ../magick.sh PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.8 -MExtUtils::Com
mand::MM -e test_harness(0, 'blib/lib', 'blib/arch') t/*.t t/bzlib/*.t t/fp
x/*.t t/jbig/*.t t/jpeg/*.t t/jp2/*.t t/png/*.t t/tiff/*.t t/wmf/*.t t/zlib/*.t
t/blobok
t/bzlib/read..ok
t/bzlib/write.ok
t/composite...ok
t/filter..ok
t/fpx/readok
t/fpx/write...ok
t/getattributeok
t/jbig/read...ok
t/jbig/write..ok
t/jp2/readok
t/jpeg/read...ok
t/jpeg/write..ok
t/montage.ok
t/png/read-16.ok
t/png/readok
t/png/write-16ok
t/png/write...ok
t/readok
t/setattributeok
t/tiff/read...ok
t/tiff/write..ok
t/wmf/readok
t/write...ok
t/zlib/read...ok
t/zlib/write..ok
All tests successful.
Files=26, Tests=343, 20 wallclock secs (13.97 cusr +  4.35 csys = 18.32 CPU)
#

perhaps you just haven't built perlmagick, or use some old libraries -
just a guess.

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freebsd installation order

2008-10-29 Thread pwn
immediately after the installation of FreeBSD what steps should be 
performed by order

1 - Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel
2 - The Cutting Edge
3 - Updating FreeBSD

Is this the proper order?
there is some set of rules to be followed post-installation?
since, i do not find any reference mentioning the order that should be 
followed immediately after installation i would like to be informed if 
possible what will be the proper order to facilitate the maintenance of 
the operating system and the installation of new applications without 
conflicts or problems with ports.

thank you.

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Re: build ImageMagick 6.4.4.1_1 from ports failed...

2008-10-29 Thread Aggelidis Nikos
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Your NO_OPENSSH = YES line is broken, by the way.  You have a space
 between the H and the =.

thank you! i fixed it.
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Re: gmirror slice insertion, FAILURE - READ_DMA status=51READY, DSC, ERROR

2008-10-29 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 08:41:31PM -0700, Carl wrote:
 Jeremy Chadwick said:
 ad6: FAILURE - READ_DMA status=51READY,DSC,ERROR   
 error=40UNCORRECTABLE LBA=134802751

 Are you sure you don't have a bad hard disk?  This looks to be like a
 classic block/sector failure.

 I hadn't realized that a bad block would manifest itself with a message  
 about DMA. Seems like such semantics would be a little obscure to most  
 users, apparently including me.

Do not let the term DMA confuse you -- the operation was a read
operation, and DMA is used to do the transfer of data between
disk/controller/local memory.  You might see things like READ_DMA48
and WRITE_DMA48, which just indicate that 48-bit LBA addressing mode
is in use when attempting the operation.

For sake of comparison, you should see what Linux and Solaris do.  For
example, when a disk falls off the bus (silently) on a Linux machine
using ext3fs, all I've ever seen is continual spewing of ext3fs journal
errors on the console -- absolutely no indication that the disk itself
has actually fallen off the bus.  With SCSI disks under Solaris, the
level of detail you get is perfect -- it's very easy to determine what
happened.  But in the case of ATA disks, you get more or less something
that looks similar to FreeBSD.

If you have complaints about the formatting of the output, I would
recommend filing a PR for it, or bringing it up with Soren Schmidt
([EMAIL PROTECTED]), author of the ata(4) layer.  I will agree with you
that some more coherent error messages would be useful.

 So you're saying that the *exact* same READ_DMA error, at the *exact*
 same LBA, is reported on ad4?  If so, that's very bizarre.

 No, perhaps I wasn't clear enough. Both instances were on ad6, so far.

Then that makes ad6, or something specific to ad6, the culprit.

 Can you please provide the output from the following commands?

 See end of message. Let me know if you then want more (in- or out-of-band).

 Having now installed smartmontools, you can see below that I ran it for  
 both ad4 and ad6. Sure enough, ad6 has logged 2 READ DMA errors - does  
 that make this a definitive bad disk then?

I'll have to look at the output.  See below.

 Should I not be worried about ad4 too? Those Raw_Read_Error_Rate and  
 Seek_Error_Rate numbers should be zero or very close to it, shouldn't  
 they? I don't know how to interpret what I'm seeing in that output, so  
 I'd appreciate any insight. Should I be returning both disks for  
 warranty claims (they're both very recently purchased)?

As you've admitted, the problem is that most people don't know how to
interpret SMART data, and start freaking out over things which are
normal.  People focus on the RAW values, which for many attributes is
the wrong thing to look at.  For example, on Seagate disks, a insanely
high Raw_Read_Error_Rate and Seek_Error_Rate means absolutely nothing;
it's normal.  But with another vendor, it might actually be accurate.
Welcome to one of the problems with SMART: the specification does not
state what format the raw data must be in.

Seagate chooses to encode some raw data for some SMART attributes in a
custom format.  The format is not publicly documented.  This is why you
have to go off of the adjusted values shown in VALUE/WORST/THRESH.
How am I supposed to know all of this?!  You aren't -- it comes with
experience.

 Is there anything I should know about this model of hard disk with  
 regards to being known for problems? Also, is there a good test I can  
 perform to hopefully flush out any problems before I put this thing into  
 service?

I'm confused: what gives you the impression there's a problem with
*this model* of hard disk?  I've seen no evidence presented that
indicates such.  What makes you ask that question?

None of us here work at Seagate, so even if there was a known problem
with this specific model of disk, we wouldn't know.  For all we know,
there could be little 3mm tall terrorists dancing on the platters, ready
to leap out at any moment and stab us!  :-)

Please keep something in mind: just because you have brand new hard
disks *does not* guarantee they're free of errors.  I have seen hundreds
of brand new hard disks fail right out of the box, including SCSI
disks (which people, for some reason, think are less likely to have
this problem simply because they cost more money).  I deal with this
situation on a daily basis at work, believe it or not.

 # vmstat -i

Interrupts look fine; I was looking for anything that might indicate an
absurdly high rate.

atacontrol cap output looks fine too, nothing weird or out of the
ordinary (I wasn't expecting anything to show up here, but I did want to
get an idea if the disks were truly SATA300 or not).

Let's take a look at the SMART data.

 # smartctl -a /dev/ad4

 ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED  
 WHEN_FAILED   RAW_VALUE
   1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f   117   099   006Pre-fail Always   
   -   

Re: flash9 checklist

2008-10-29 Thread Steve Polyack

Juergen Lock wrote:


Preliminary checklist for getting flash9 to work in native firefox:
(flash10 needs more ports work, I shall post about that seperately on
-emulation...)  If you have additions to this please post a followup to
this thread, keeping the Cc: (I'm not on -questions...)

1. You need RELENG_7 from at least Mon Oct 20 11:15:57 2008 UTC
(the relevant MFC commits are:
http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base?view=revisionrevision=183819
http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base?view=revisionrevision=184075
- a recent HEAD should also work of course.)  There are linprocfs patches
for RELENG_6 too (merging the former commit), but the latter commit can't
be merged to 6 (and 7.0) since they lack the cpuset bits, so flash9
probably won't work on SMP there.  (Although if you have SMP you probably
should be running 7 anyway. :)  Oh and if you do have SMP you also need to
use the ULE scheduler, the cpuset syscalls are not supported with 4BSD.
linprocfs patches for 6:
http://people.freebsd.org/~nox/linprocfs-6.3.patch
http://people.freebsd.org/~nox/linprocfs-6.4.patch

2. Your portstree needs to be from at least Sun Oct 19 17:37:28 2008 UTC
(the last www/linux-flashplugin9 commit is:
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/cvs-ports/2008-October/158404.html
)

3. Make sure linprocfs is mounted to /compat/linux/proc .

4. Make sure www/nspluginwrapper, www/linux-flashplugin9 and dependencies
are installed and up to date(!).  (the default emulators/linux_base-fc4
should work, if you want to use a later one don't forget to set
compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.16 in sysctl.conf and OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT
to whichever version you use in make.conf.  Note however that on 6, only
the default compat.linux.osrelease=2.4.2 really works.)

5. If the plugin doesnt show up in firefox' about:plugins, run
nspluginwrapper -i 
/usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so
and restart firefox.

6. And remember there's a security advisory for the current version of
flash9,

http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/portaudit/78f456fd-9c87-11dd-a55e-00163e16.html
(if you use portaudit you need to `make -DDISABLE_VULNERABILITIES ...'
to be able to install the port), and fc4 seems to be eol'd too, so you
probably want to install something like the noscript firefox extension,
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/722
and only allow plugins (and scripts, tho thats a different problem) on
sites you trust...

 And finally, if you still get crashes after following the above even
on pages that are reported to work now (like youtube) you probably want
to run `ktrace -di firefox...' and look at the output using linux_kdump
(thats the devel/linux_kdump port, you want to use a package), paying
specific attention to the lines above `PSIG SIGSEGV' (or whichever
signal you got), maybe there are still shlibs missing that the plugin
needs (NAMI ...something.so...), and if this is the case tell us about
it so the appropriate dependencies can be added to the relevant ports.
If you can't figure it out I guess it doesn't hurt to post the last
few 100 lines of the dump up to the relevant PSIG on -emulation...

 You may also want to check linked shlibs like this:
/compat/linux/bin/sh /compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd 
/usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so
and
/compat/linux/bin/sh /compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd 
/usr/local/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer.bin
(if you see `not found' in there you know something is wrong) - although
that doesn't show libs that may be dlopen()d at runtime.

  
Thanks for this.  I was able to get linux-flashplugin9 working in native 
Firefox 3.0.3 on FreeBSD 7-STABLE i386.  The only additional thing I had 
to do was copy 
/usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so into 
~/.mozilla/plugins/ for Firefox to recognize the plugin.  After that 
Youtube, google video, and google maps (incl. street view) work fine, 
but slow.  A friend of mine with a very similar setup was not so lucky 
and still has problems with flash9 locking up FF.

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Re: build ImageMagick 6.4.4.1_1 from ports failed...

2008-10-29 Thread Aggelidis Nikos
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Anton Shterenlikht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 perhaps you just haven't built perlmagick, or use some old libraries -
 just a guess.

I haven't build perlmagick. I only tried to build imagemagick {because
it was required by kile}...

Could it be this? The problems that i find are at the test of
magick++ i pass successfully every other test...

 I'm surprised you haven't got at least this in your /etc/make.conf

 CFLAGS= -O -pipe
 MAKE_SHELL=sh
 BDECFLAGS=  -W -Wall -ansi -pedantic -Wbad-function-cast -Wcast-align \
-Wcast-qual -Wchar-subscripts -Winline \
-Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith \
-Wredundant-decls -Wshadow -Wstrict-prototypes -Wwrite-strings
 COPTFLAGS= -O -pipe
 INSTALL=install -C
i have the default make.conf if i recall correctly... should i add them?
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Re: ports missing their packages.

2008-10-29 Thread RW
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 04:10:33 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 andrew clarke mail_ozzmosis.com said (on 2008/10/29):
  You need to understand that the FreeBSD project by its nature is
  primarily source-code driven.  Making packages available (of any
  port) is of very low priority in comparison to the rest of the
  system (testing, documentation, etc).  Demanding that the FreeBSD
  volunteers build a package just because you want to use it is a bit
  unfair, particularly when you can make one yourself without much
  trouble.
 
 I'm not sure I got all the emails in this thread... maybe some just
 haven't arrived yet.
 
 Anyway... I, for one, depend on packages. It literally takes days to 
 build something like Firefox on my (admittedly old) computer.

In that case I would suggest that you stick to release versions and
don't update your ports tree between releases unless there's a
significant vulnerability that's fixed in the current tree. 
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Re: build ImageMagick 6.4.4.1_1 from ports failed...

2008-10-29 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 04:30:35PM +0200, Aggelidis Nikos wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Anton Shterenlikht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  perhaps you just haven't built perlmagick, or use some old libraries -
  just a guess.
 
 I haven't build perlmagick. I only tried to build imagemagick {because
 it was required by kile}...
 
 Could it be this? The problems that i find are at the test of
 magick++ i pass successfully every other test...
 
  I'm surprised you haven't got at least this in your /etc/make.conf
 
  CFLAGS= -O -pipe
  MAKE_SHELL=sh
  BDECFLAGS=  -W -Wall -ansi -pedantic -Wbad-function-cast -Wcast-align \
 -Wcast-qual -Wchar-subscripts -Winline \
 -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith \
 -Wredundant-decls -Wshadow -Wstrict-prototypes 
  -Wwrite-strings
  COPTFLAGS= -O -pipe
  INSTALL=install -C
 i have the default make.conf if i recall correctly... should i add them?

have a look at the example, typically at /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf

-- 
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Re: Newbie question about pkg_add

2008-10-29 Thread Canhua
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:18 PM, Thiago R. Santos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 11:14 +0800, Canhua wrote:
 Hi, good day all. I am new to FreeBSD.
 I tried to pkg_add -r a package (py-networkx), which tell me that:
 Error: FTP Unable to get ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/
 FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-7.0-release/Latest/py-networkx.tbz:
 File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access)

 although I know that py-network does exist in /usr/ports.
 Actually I could go to /usr/ports/math/py-networkx and make install
 using ports means.

 Then I could learn from this that there are softwares that could be
 install from ports while not able to be added from package system?
 Am I right?

 The package name of this port is 'py25-networkx'. You can use the
 Freshports.org search to find the package names.

Wonderful place~ thank you

However I could not pkg_add py25-networkx still, being told that
  pkg_add: unable to fetch
'ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-7.0-release/Latest/py25-networkx.tbz'
by URL
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Re: ports missing their packages.

2008-10-29 Thread Mark Linimon
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 04:09:23PM +0800, FBSD1 wrote:
 An alternate solution to this problem is to allow users to upload missing
 packages

one word for you: security.

What you suggest is never, ever, going to be implemented, due to the
total lack of security.

mcl
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Re: ports missing their packages.

2008-10-29 Thread Mark Linimon
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 04:42:18AM -0500, Scot Hetzel wrote:
 So you are advocating that port maintainers have to create packages
 for all the supported FreeBSD architecture's (amd64, arm, i386, ia64,
 mips, pc98, powerpc, sparc64, sun4v).  That would be 9 packages
 needing to be created at the time the port maintainer submits the
 upgrade PR.

Nope, not 9 :-)  You are forgetting FreeBSD 6, 7, and -current have
builds enabled.  OTOH, portmgr is only supporting amd64, i386, and
sparc64 right now, and is not doing sparc64-8 due to lack of machines,
so really the matrix is only 8.

The ia64 package builds were stopped due to problems (and the fact
that we only have 2 machines).  There are no package building machines
for the others yet -- and some of them ae really only going to be
used for embedded systems, so only a very minimal subset of ports is
going to be useful.  So far, we've talked about addding machines for
these, but there are no fixed plans so far.

 It could be as simple as forgetting to add the ports subdirectory to
 the category Makefile (i.e www/Makefile).

Actually this is an uncommon problem; every time portmgr builds a
package set, error messages are spit out if things are missing, and
we are quick to email the maintainers :-)

mcl
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Re: odd problem, system clock stops while power-down

2008-10-29 Thread Ian Smith
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Richard Smith wrote:
  How do i get around this so i wouldn't have
   to set the clock every
  time i boot into freebsd? and by the way, does
   freebsd use the
  CMOS clock?
 
 An idea would to use NTP to get the exact time from
   your
 local atomic time dealer at system startup. :-)
 
 See ntpd and ntpdate for further information.
   
   Definitely the best advice.  However it doesn't explain
   why his system 
   apparently fails to retrieve the current date  time
   from CMOS on boot.
   
   Mine always have, though CMOS clocks rarely keep good time,
   so using NTP 
   after network connection after boot I see initial
   corrections of several 
   seconds usually .. still it's better than having all
   your log timestamps 
   screwed after reboot until NTP does its thing.
   
   Richard: are you running UTC or local time in CMOS?  If the
   latter, does 
   the file /etc/wall_cmos_clock exist?
   
   cheers, Ian

Copying back to the list, for the archives and for more eyes to help, 
especially if the below doesn't help.

  Thanks for the reply, wondering how to configure freebsd to use CMOS 
  time, as i'm using it as a desktop system. so it wouldn't be that my 
  machine always connects to the Internet to get the correct time.

If in the wrong timezone it should come up a whole number of hours out.

  my CMOS is running local time, and the file /etc/wall_cmos_clock 
  exists. is the time zone configuration related to this problem?

Could well be.  Check out tzsetup(8) re setting your timezone.

If you update it, see the note about needing to run adjkerntz(8) .. but 
being a workstation you may as well just reboot to see if it's fixed :)

cheers, Ian
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Re: freebsd installation order

2008-10-29 Thread andrew clarke
On Wed 2008-10-29 13:43:23 UTC+, pwn ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 immediately after the installation of FreeBSD what steps should be  
 performed by order
 1 - Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel
 2 - The Cutting Edge
 3 - Updating FreeBSD

 Is this the proper order?
 there is some set of rules to be followed post-installation?
 since, i do not find any reference mentioning the order that should be  
 followed immediately after installation i would like to be informed if  
 possible what will be the proper order to facilitate the maintenance of  
 the operating system and the installation of new applications without  
 conflicts or problems with ports.

Re: Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel.  Depending on your hardware and
software requirements you may need to configure the supplied GENERIC
kernel, or perhaps even build your own custom kernel and configure
that.  These days I think many people just use the GENERIC kernel and
configure it from /boot/loader.conf.  For a desktop machine it may
just be a single entry to load a kernel module for your sound card.

If you do use a GENERIC kernel this has the advantage that you can run
freebsd-update whenever there are important security updates to the
kernel itself, and then those updates become immediately active after
a reboot.  There is no need to rebuild the kernel, and very little
downtime.

Re: The Cutting Edge.  In simple terms I would not bother with any of
this unless you want to be actively involved in the development of the
operating system.  If you just want something that works reliably,
stick with FreeBSD-RELEASE and use freebsd-update when you want to
upgrade your FreeBSD version (eg. from 6.3 to 6.4).  freebsd-update is
brilliant and really makes updating fairly painless.  Which leads me
to...

Re: Updating FreeBSD.  Every FreeBSD sysadmin should read this.  You
should know how to install packages from the command-line using
pkg_add (see the section called Installing Applications: Packages and
Ports), and if you want to use the Ports system, learn how to use
portsnap (another brilliant tool).

Also, if you're using the Ports system (to build and install software
from source code) I also recommend using portmaster, which isn't
talked about in the Handbook, but is leaps and bounds over portupgrade
(my personal opinion).

 thank you.

Regards
Andrew
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Re: ports missing their packages.

2008-10-29 Thread Mark Linimon
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:02:14PM +0800, joeb wrote:
 How does kdenetwork-kopete-0.12.8 or php5-gd or pdflib fit into those
 reasons you gave?

A little research shows:

ftp://ftp4.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-7-stable/All/php5-gd-5.2.6_2.tbz

So, there is a current package for php5-gd.

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/print/pdflib/Makefile?rev=1.54

So, there will never be a package for pdflib, because we are not
allowed to distibute it.

Now, apparently audio/jack is not being built at the moment, but without
access to my home system I can't probe any further.  See
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/audio/jack/Makefile?rev=1.44
and
http://portsmon.freebsd.org/portoverview.py?category=audioportname=jack.

mcl
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Re: Newbie question about pkg_add

2008-10-29 Thread Thiago R. Santos
On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 22:41 +0800, Canhua wrote:
 Wonderful place~ thank you
 
 However I could not pkg_add py25-networkx still, being told that
   pkg_add: unable to fetch
 'ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-7.0-release/Latest/py25-networkx.tbz'
 by URL

Oh, sorry. I didn't realize that you wanted a package built for
7.0-RELEASE. Indeed, there isn't a package of this port built for this
release, so you might want to get packages from the 'packages-7-stable'
directory[1][2]. This particular port seems to have been added to the
ports tree after the release of FreeBSD 7.0. Of course, you can build it
yourself from your ports tree.

[1]http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/packages-using.html
[2]ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-7-stable/Latest/
-- 
Thiago R. Santos [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: ports missing their packages.

2008-10-29 Thread Mark Linimon
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:55:20AM -0700, mdh wrote:
 email the FreeBSD Foundation and find out how much cash it'd take for
 additional hardware to make that a reality, then send them that much cash.  

We are actually set up ok on amd64 machines right now (incremental
package builds take just over a day).   We are in the process of adding
some more i386 machines (it is a matter of configuration; however, most
of these are not really powerful machines).  This should help get the
incremental builds down from 3-4 days to 2-3 days.

We also have some sparc64 machines that are on loan to us, which I am
also in the process of configuration, but these are only UltraSPARC-II
machines.  There seems to be some work going on right now to get us
running on US-III machines; if so, then it would be handy to get some of
them.  In the meantime, sparc64 package builds take more than 2 weeks :-(

mcl
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Re: freebsd installation order

2008-10-29 Thread pwn

andrew clarke escreveu:

On Wed 2008-10-29 13:43:23 UTC+, pwn ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

  
immediately after the installation of FreeBSD what steps should be  
performed by order

1 - Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel
2 - The Cutting Edge
3 - Updating FreeBSD

Is this the proper order?
there is some set of rules to be followed post-installation?
since, i do not find any reference mentioning the order that should be  
followed immediately after installation i would like to be informed if  
possible what will be the proper order to facilitate the maintenance of  
the operating system and the installation of new applications without  
conflicts or problems with ports.



Re: Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel.  Depending on your hardware and
software requirements you may need to configure the supplied GENERIC
kernel, or perhaps even build your own custom kernel and configure
that.  These days I think many people just use the GENERIC kernel and
configure it from /boot/loader.conf.  For a desktop machine it may
just be a single entry to load a kernel module for your sound card.

If you do use a GENERIC kernel this has the advantage that you can run
freebsd-update whenever there are important security updates to the
kernel itself, and then those updates become immediately active after
a reboot.  There is no need to rebuild the kernel, and very little
downtime.

Re: The Cutting Edge.  In simple terms I would not bother with any of
this unless you want to be actively involved in the development of the
operating system.  If you just want something that works reliably,
stick with FreeBSD-RELEASE and use freebsd-update when you want to
upgrade your FreeBSD version (eg. from 6.3 to 6.4).  freebsd-update is
brilliant and really makes updating fairly painless.  Which leads me
to...

Re: Updating FreeBSD.  Every FreeBSD sysadmin should read this.  You
should know how to install packages from the command-line using
pkg_add (see the section called Installing Applications: Packages and
Ports), and if you want to use the Ports system, learn how to use
portsnap (another brilliant tool).

Also, if you're using the Ports system (to build and install software
from source code) I also recommend using portmaster, which isn't
talked about in the Handbook, but is leaps and bounds over portupgrade
(my personal opinion).

  

thank you.



Regards
Andrew
  


Andrew, nice answer very enlightening, the steps you mention im already 
familiar with them.
at this moment im using a customised kernel, FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE and 
all ports tree updated, i just want to know the ascending order that 
should be followed after an installation, thank you.


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Re: DHCP server

2008-10-29 Thread Svein Halvor Halvorsen

bofh42 wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]$ dhcpcd -n eth0
 eth0: dhcpcd 4.0.2 starting
 eth0: broadcasting for a lease
 eth0: offered 10.0.0.176 from 10.0.1.1 `mirrorball'
 eth0: checking 10.0.0.176 is available on attached networks


Are you sure you are using the correct command to start the DHCP

client?

I'm not familiar with Archlinux, but on Debian linux the command
you 
need is dhclient.  On the other hand, dhcpd starts the dhcp

*server*



Yes, I'm sure. Notice the extra c in there. I'm using the DHCP client 
deamon. That is, a client that runs in the background keeping my DCHP 
lease up to speed. The -n option will cause it to signal a renewal. 
Also, I get similar results if I use the dhclient utility instead of dhcpcd.


But thanks for your suggestion!


sv.
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Re: flash9 checklist

2008-10-29 Thread Mikhail Teterin

Sent by Vladimir Grebenschikov:

I've seen temporary FF lockups with flashblock FF plugin enabled.
Same here. Sometimes it works and some times any page containing flash 
will hang the entire browser. Doing a `killall npviewer.bin' (I use 
nspluginwrapper) will unfreeze the browser like nothing happened. You'll 
get the page -- but without the embedded flash, of course.
I have only gotten Flash-9 to (mostly) work this morning -- thanks to 
nox' checklist, and have not yet been able to investigate, why it hangs 
on occasion...


   -mi


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Re: GPT Support on Freebsd

2008-10-29 Thread Franck Royer
John Baldwin a écrit :
 On Wednesday 29 October 2008 07:42:18 am Lowell Gilbert wrote:
   
 Franck Royer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
 Can I oblige pcbsd to look the gpt table instead of the msdos one ? How
 can I access to my fifth partition ?
   
 John Baldwin (jhb) has been working on GPT support, but it's still
 reported to be a work in progress. It works as far as recognizing
 disks over 16TB.  It also gets picked up by the geom framework.  I'm
 not sure about booting, although there are tantalizing hints in the
 manual pages.
 

 GPT booting works just fine on 6.x and later.  Using the gpt(8) utility you 
 basically do:

 # gpt create foo0
 # gpt boot foo0

 The second command creates a special boot partition in /dev/foo0p1.  You can 
 then add partitions:

 # gpt add -t ufs other params like size if needed foo0
 # newfs /dev/foo0p2

 gpart(8) in HEAD works similarly.  The one thing lacking is that 
 sysinstall/libdisk doesn't handle GPT, so there isn't a nice way to do it 
 during installation.

   
Ok thank you. But actually, it's not what I'm looking for.

I use freebsd on a macbook. On this macbook, I already have a gpt,
refit, mac os x and some linux partitions. The problem is freebsd, which
doesn't recognize partitions after the fourth one (but my gentoo linux
see them).

Then, I suppose freebsd use the mbr partition table (synchronized from
the gpt one using refit) to populate the /dev, but partitions after the
fourth, which are those I want to use, are only indexed in the gpt.

Finally, I want to force freebsd to use the gpt on my hard drive to
allow it to see others partitions.

I don't want to destroy my actual gpt, maybe one day, but no right now.

Tell me if my english is too bad to be understood.

I just want to precise that I use pcvbsd 7.0, so the kernel
configuration might be different than the freebsd generic one.

Thank you for your answers.

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Re: flash9 checklist

2008-10-29 Thread Vladimir Grebenschikov
On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 10:11 -0400, Steve Polyack wrote:
   
 Thanks for this.  I was able to get linux-flashplugin9 working in
 native 
 Firefox 3.0.3 on FreeBSD 7-STABLE i386.  The only additional thing I
 had 
 to do was copy 
 /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so into 
 ~/.mozilla/plugins/ for Firefox to recognize the plugin.  After that 
 Youtube, google video, and google maps (incl. street view) work fine, 
 but slow.  A friend of mine with a very similar setup was not so
 lucky 
 and still has problems with flash9 locking up FF.

I've seen temporary FF lockups with flashblock FF plugin enabled.
After disabling it lockups disappear.
Probably it is such case ?

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Re: flash9 checklist

2008-10-29 Thread Robert Huff

Mikhail Teterin writes:
  Sent by Vladimir Grebenschikov:

   I've seen temporary FF lockups with flashblock FF plugin enabled.

  Same here. Sometimes it works and some times any page containing
  flash will hang the entire browser. Doing a `killall
  npviewer.bin' (I use nspluginwrapper) will unfreeze the browser
  like nothing happened. You'll get the page -- but without the
  embedded flash, of course.

I have the same issue with SeaMonkey.
The problem is that while npviewer.bin is loading, it
effectively hogs the CPU.  It also chews up ~550 mb of RAM.


Robert Huff

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Re: GPT Support on Freebsd

2008-10-29 Thread John Baldwin
On Wednesday 29 October 2008 07:42:18 am Lowell Gilbert wrote:
 Franck Royer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Can I oblige pcbsd to look the gpt table instead of the msdos one ? How
  can I access to my fifth partition ?
 
 John Baldwin (jhb) has been working on GPT support, but it's still
 reported to be a work in progress. It works as far as recognizing
 disks over 16TB.  It also gets picked up by the geom framework.  I'm
 not sure about booting, although there are tantalizing hints in the
 manual pages.

GPT booting works just fine on 6.x and later.  Using the gpt(8) utility you 
basically do:

# gpt create foo0
# gpt boot foo0

The second command creates a special boot partition in /dev/foo0p1.  You can 
then add partitions:

# gpt add -t ufs other params like size if needed foo0
# newfs /dev/foo0p2

gpart(8) in HEAD works similarly.  The one thing lacking is that 
sysinstall/libdisk doesn't handle GPT, so there isn't a nice way to do it 
during installation.

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Re: flash9 checklist

2008-10-29 Thread Masoom Shaikh
will this howto work for amd64 ?

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Steve Polyack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Juergen Lock wrote:


 Preliminary checklist for getting flash9 to work in native firefox:
 (flash10 needs more ports work, I shall post about that seperately on
 -emulation...)  If you have additions to this please post a followup to
 this thread, keeping the Cc: (I'm not on -questions...)

 1. You need RELENG_7 from at least Mon Oct 20 11:15:57 2008 UTC
 (the relevant MFC commits are:
http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base?view=revisionrevision=183819
http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base?view=revisionrevision=184075
 - a recent HEAD should also work of course.)  There are linprocfs patches
 for RELENG_6 too (merging the former commit), but the latter commit can't
 be merged to 6 (and 7.0) since they lack the cpuset bits, so flash9
 probably won't work on SMP there.  (Although if you have SMP you probably
 should be running 7 anyway. :)  Oh and if you do have SMP you also need to
 use the ULE scheduler, the cpuset syscalls are not supported with 4BSD.
 linprocfs patches for 6:

 http://people.freebsd.org/~nox/linprocfs-6.3.patchhttp://people.freebsd.org/%7Enox/linprocfs-6.3.patch

 http://people.freebsd.org/~nox/linprocfs-6.4.patchhttp://people.freebsd.org/%7Enox/linprocfs-6.4.patch

 2. Your portstree needs to be from at least Sun Oct 19 17:37:28 2008 UTC
 (the last www/linux-flashplugin9 commit is:

 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/cvs-ports/2008-October/158404.html
 )

 3. Make sure linprocfs is mounted to /compat/linux/proc .

 4. Make sure www/nspluginwrapper, www/linux-flashplugin9 and dependencies
 are installed and up to date(!).  (the default emulators/linux_base-fc4
 should work, if you want to use a later one don't forget to set
 compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.16 in sysctl.conf and OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT
 to whichever version you use in make.conf.  Note however that on 6, only
 the default compat.linux.osrelease=2.4.2 really works.)

 5. If the plugin doesnt show up in firefox' about:plugins, run
nspluginwrapper -i
 /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so
 and restart firefox.

 6. And remember there's a security advisory for the current version of
 flash9,

 http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/portaudit/78f456fd-9c87-11dd-a55e-00163e16.html
 (if you use portaudit you need to `make -DDISABLE_VULNERABILITIES ...'
 to be able to install the port), and fc4 seems to be eol'd too, so you
 probably want to install something like the noscript firefox extension,
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/722
 and only allow plugins (and scripts, tho thats a different problem) on
 sites you trust...

  And finally, if you still get crashes after following the above even
 on pages that are reported to work now (like youtube) you probably want
 to run `ktrace -di firefox...' and look at the output using linux_kdump
 (thats the devel/linux_kdump port, you want to use a package), paying
 specific attention to the lines above `PSIG SIGSEGV' (or whichever
 signal you got), maybe there are still shlibs missing that the plugin
 needs (NAMI ...something.so...), and if this is the case tell us about
 it so the appropriate dependencies can be added to the relevant ports.
 If you can't figure it out I guess it doesn't hurt to post the last
 few 100 lines of the dump up to the relevant PSIG on -emulation...

  You may also want to check linked shlibs like this:
/compat/linux/bin/sh /compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd
 /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so
 and
/compat/linux/bin/sh /compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd
 /usr/local/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer.bin
 (if you see `not found' in there you know something is wrong) - although
 that doesn't show libs that may be dlopen()d at runtime.



 Thanks for this.  I was able to get linux-flashplugin9 working in native
 Firefox 3.0.3 on FreeBSD 7-STABLE i386.  The only additional thing I had to
 do was copy /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.sointo 
 ~/.mozilla/plugins/ for Firefox to recognize the plugin.  After that
 Youtube, google video, and google maps (incl. street view) work fine, but
 slow.  A friend of mine with a very similar setup was not so lucky and still
 has problems with flash9 locking up FF.
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Re: flash9 checklist

2008-10-29 Thread Mikhail Teterin

   Sent by Robert Huff:

The problem is that while npviewer.bin is loading, it
effectively hogs the CPU.  It also chews up ~550 mb of RAM.
  

   Well, when it all works correctly, it starts quickly for me. But when
   there is a problem, no amount of waiting seems enough, so I doubt, it
   is the question of hogging or heaviness... I have a fairly beefy
   machine too -- 4Opterons, 6Gb of RAM, so when things work, they work
   quickly.

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Re: flash9 checklist

2008-10-29 Thread Robert Huff

Mikhail Teterin writes:

  The problem is that while npviewer.bin is loading, it
  effectively hogs the CPU.  It also chews up ~550 mb of RAM.
  
 Well, when it all works correctly, it starts quickly for
 me. But when there is a problem, no amount of waiting seems
 enough, so I doubt, it is the question of hogging or
 heaviness... I have a fairly beefy machine too -- 4Opterons,
 6Gb of RAM, so when things work, they work quickly.

My machine (in question) is a P4 2.26ghz with 2 gb; loading
takes about 60-90 seconds.


Robert
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Re: How can I get the screenshots only under the command-line?

2008-10-29 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:32:16 -0700, Chuck Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi--
 
 On Oct 28, 2008, at 9:16 AM, zhenghua wang wrote:
  I wanna get some screenshots of my command-line-only system(8- 
  current),how
  can I perform this?
  Thanks a lot,looking forward to your mail.
 
 See man vidcontrol, as in:
 
   The following command will capture the contents of the first  
 virtual ter-
   minal, and redirect the output to the shot.scr file:
 
 vidcontrol -p  /dev/ttyv0  shot.scr

Another option would be to utilize the mouse edit buffer to
capture screen content in ASCII only, it requires a standard
three button mouse and moused running correctly. Then you can
select parts of the screen content or the whole screen using
the left mouse button, then use Alt+PF2 (for example) to
switch to another VT, login, start an editor (ee screen.txt)
and then press the middle mouse button - the selected text
will be put 1:1 into the file.

Unelegang manual work, but sometimes useful (e. g. if you
need screenshots for documentation purposes where a simple
ASCII reproduction without colors or other attributes is
needed).



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Re: freebsd installation order

2008-10-29 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:43:23PM +, pwn wrote:

 immediately after the installation of FreeBSD what steps should be 
 performed by order
 1 - Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel
 2 - The Cutting Edge
 3 - Updating FreeBSD
 
 Is this the proper order?

I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild.
Then update the ports tree
Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel - or if
nothing is critical, just skip that.

Then, install what ports you want and start running.

As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT?
If so, if you are using it to get in on FreeBSD development, then
do that now and daily.If it is a server for something, then don't 
do that.  Just periodically or if some important patch comes put, pull 
in the latest security fixes with update.


jerry

 there is some set of rules to be followed post-installation?
 since, i do not find any reference mentioning the order that should be 
 followed immediately after installation i would like to be informed if 
 possible what will be the proper order to facilitate the maintenance of 
 the operating system and the installation of new applications without 
 conflicts or problems with ports.
 thank you.
 
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Re: flash-9, 10 on FreeBSD

2008-10-29 Thread John Nielsen
On Tuesday 28 October 2008 01:30:18 pm matt donovan wrote:
 On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Dánielisz László 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I also had some fight with Adobe's Flash player, but unfortunately
  without success.
  I remaing curios about any solution.
  
  From: Mikhail Teterin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:59:23 PM
 
  I'm having serious problems with Adobe's Flash 9 and 10 on my
  FreeBSD-7/amd64
  system.
 
  If I try to use it directly with linux-firefox, the entire browser
  crashes quickly. If I try www/nspluginwrapper with a native browser,
  the wrapper-launched npviewer.bin seg-faults instead. Either way, the
  plugin does
  not work...
 
  It appears, there was some activity recently in trying to fix these
  problems
  (is it all in linprocfs/?) What is the current status? Thanks,

 FreeBSD 7.1 should work with flash9 myself I had no luck so far but
 nox- does say it should work

I just updated to RELENG_7 (aka 7.1-PRERELEASE these days) on Monday and 
am able to use Flash 9 in native Firefox 3 with sound, no sound lag and 
no crashes so far. I have:

FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #0: Mon Oct 27 18:31:37 EDT 2008
compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.16
linux_base-f8-8_8
firefox-3.0.3,1
linux-flashplugin-9.0r124_2
nspluginwrapper-1.0.0

JN

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Re: flash-9, 10 on FreeBSD

2008-10-29 Thread John Nielsen
On Wednesday 29 October 2008 01:22:40 pm Mikhail Teterin wrote:
 Sent by John Nielsen:
  I just updated to RELENG_7 (aka 7.1-PRERELEASE these days) on Monday
  and am able to use Flash 9 in native Firefox 3 with sound, no sound
  lag and no crashes so far. I have:
 
  FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #0: Mon Oct 27 18:31:37 EDT 2008
  compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.16
  linux_base-f8-8_8
  firefox-3.0.3,1
  linux-flashplugin-9.0r124_2
  nspluginwrapper-1.0.0

 Congratulations. i386 or amd64, though?

i386.

JN



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gmirror + gjournal setup question

2008-10-29 Thread Gabriel Lavoie
Hello,
 I would like to know what is the best way to setup gmirror + gjournal,
on a slice level on two hard drives. Do I set up a mirrored journal
partition + mirrored journalized slice (gmirror on top of gjournal) on which
I create my labels with bsdlabels (will create /dev/mirror/name.journal,
/dev/mirror/name.journala, /dev/mirror/name.journalb). Or I setup a
journalized slice on both hard drive and then I mirror /dev/ad0s1.journal
and /dev/ad1s1.journal (gjournal on top of gmirror)? I have hard time to
figure out what would be the best, if I want to avoid mirror rebuild on
power failure and I want fast fsck. I'd also like to make this setup on my
1st slice (which contains the root filesystem).

Thanks

Gabriel

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Re: GPT Support on Freebsd

2008-10-29 Thread John Baldwin
On Wednesday 29 October 2008 11:52:19 am Franck Royer wrote:
 John Baldwin a écrit :
  On Wednesday 29 October 2008 07:42:18 am Lowell Gilbert wrote:

  Franck Royer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  
  Can I oblige pcbsd to look the gpt table instead of the msdos one ? How
  can I access to my fifth partition ?

  John Baldwin (jhb) has been working on GPT support, but it's still
  reported to be a work in progress. It works as far as recognizing
  disks over 16TB.  It also gets picked up by the geom framework.  I'm
  not sure about booting, although there are tantalizing hints in the
  manual pages.
  
 
  GPT booting works just fine on 6.x and later.  Using the gpt(8) utility 
you 
  basically do:
 
  # gpt create foo0
  # gpt boot foo0
 
  The second command creates a special boot partition in /dev/foo0p1.  You 
can 
  then add partitions:
 
  # gpt add -t ufs other params like size if needed foo0
  # newfs /dev/foo0p2
 
  gpart(8) in HEAD works similarly.  The one thing lacking is that 
  sysinstall/libdisk doesn't handle GPT, so there isn't a nice way to do it 
  during installation.
 

 Ok thank you. But actually, it's not what I'm looking for.
 
 I use freebsd on a macbook. On this macbook, I already have a gpt,
 refit, mac os x and some linux partitions. The problem is freebsd, which
 doesn't recognize partitions after the fourth one (but my gentoo linux
 see them).
 
 Then, I suppose freebsd use the mbr partition table (synchronized from
 the gpt one using refit) to populate the /dev, but partitions after the
 fourth, which are those I want to use, are only indexed in the gpt.
 
 Finally, I want to force freebsd to use the gpt on my hard drive to
 allow it to see others partitions.
 
 I don't want to destroy my actual gpt, maybe one day, but no right now.
 
 Tell me if my english is too bad to be understood.
 
 I just want to precise that I use pcvbsd 7.0, so the kernel
 configuration might be different than the freebsd generic one.

What device entries do you see in /dev?

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Re: flash-9, 10 on FreeBSD

2008-10-29 Thread Mikhail Teterin

Sent by John Nielsen:
I just updated to RELENG_7 (aka 7.1-PRERELEASE these days) on Monday and 
am able to use Flash 9 in native Firefox 3 with sound, no sound lag and 
no crashes so far. I have:


FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #0: Mon Oct 27 18:31:37 EDT 2008
compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.16
linux_base-f8-8_8
firefox-3.0.3,1
linux-flashplugin-9.0r124_2
nspluginwrapper-1.0.0
  

Congratulations. i386 or amd64, though?

   -mi

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Re: freebsd installation order

2008-10-29 Thread pwn

Jerry McAllister escreveu:

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:43:23PM +, pwn wrote:

  
immediately after the installation of FreeBSD what steps should be 
performed by order

1 - Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel
2 - The Cutting Edge
3 - Updating FreeBSD

Is this the proper order?



I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild.
Then update the ports tree
Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel - or if
nothing is critical, just skip that.

Then, install what ports you want and start running.

As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT?
If so, if you are using it to get in on FreeBSD development, then
do that now and daily.If it is a server for something, then don't 
do that.  Just periodically or if some important patch comes put, pull 
in the latest security fixes with update.



jerry
  



just to clarify

I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild. Then update the ports tree
Re:both this task can be done using csup or cvsup and using the samples 
provided in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/

Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel 
Re:(taking a look on hardware and editing generic for example)


As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT? 
Re:yes, but i dont want get in on FreeBSD dev team, so i guess STABLE is enought.





  

there is some set of rules to be followed post-installation?
since, i do not find any reference mentioning the order that should be 
followed immediately after installation i would like to be informed if 
possible what will be the proper order to facilitate the maintenance of 
the operating system and the installation of new applications without 
conflicts or problems with ports.

thank you.

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Re: ports missing their packages.

2008-10-29 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2008-Oct-29 10:22:36 -0500, Mark Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We also have some sparc64 machines that are on loan to us, which I am
also in the process of configuration, but these are only UltraSPARC-II
machines.  There seems to be some work going on right now to get us
running on US-III machines; if so, then it would be handy to get some of
them.  In the meantime, sparc64 package builds take more than 2 weeks :-(

Since sparc64 userland will run on sun4v (similar to using (eg) Pentium
userland on a Pentium-4 CPU), the other option is to invest some resources
in the sun4v port and build sparc64 packages on a sun4v cluster.

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Re: flash-9, 10 on FreeBSD

2008-10-29 Thread matt donovan
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 1:29 PM, John Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wednesday 29 October 2008 01:22:40 pm Mikhail Teterin wrote:
  Sent by John Nielsen:
   I just updated to RELENG_7 (aka 7.1-PRERELEASE these days) on Monday
   and am able to use Flash 9 in native Firefox 3 with sound, no sound
   lag and no crashes so far. I have:
  
   FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #0: Mon Oct 27 18:31:37 EDT 2008
   compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.16
   linux_base-f8-8_8
   firefox-3.0.3,1
   linux-flashplugin-9.0r124_2
   nspluginwrapper-1.0.0
 
  Congratulations. i386 or amd64, though?

 i386.

 JN



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for me firefox3 native crashes regularly with flash9, but works fine using
linux-firefox which I will be using I believe for quite a while. I m still
using linux_base-fc4 though
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Re: flash9 checklist

2008-10-29 Thread Gary Jennejohn
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:50:27 -0400
Mikhail Teterin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sent by Vladimir Grebenschikov:
  I've seen temporary FF lockups with flashblock FF plugin enabled.
 Same here. Sometimes it works and some times any page containing flash 
 will hang the entire browser. Doing a `killall npviewer.bin' (I use 
 nspluginwrapper) will unfreeze the browser like nothing happened. You'll 
 get the page -- but without the embedded flash, of course.
 I have only gotten Flash-9 to (mostly) work this morning -- thanks to 
 nox' checklist, and have not yet been able to investigate, why it hangs 
 on occasion...
 

I don't have flashblock installed, but http://www.mtvmusic.com/ hangs
firefox 100% of the time.  Strangely enough, under Linux it works just
fine and I have pretty much the same version of flash and firefox installed
on both systems.

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no reverse dns

2008-10-29 Thread Robin Becker
We have just moved offices and our freebsd machine has started complaining in 
the following terms


Oct 29 17:14:39 int kernel: arplookup ww.xx.yy.zz failed: host is not on local 
network


We have an external router connected as a dhcp server at 192.168.0.2 which 
apparently has external address ww.xx.yy.zz. I am using a fixed ip address ie


192.168.0.6

I have this in my rc.conf

defaultrouter=192.168.0.2
hostname=int.myoffice.com
ifconfig_em0=inet 192.168.0.6  netmask 255.255.255.0


and have dns mapping int.myoffice.com -- ww.xx.yy.zz, but our ISP will not make 
the reverse mapping. I assume that we're trying to reverse lookup something and 
the lack of reverse dns is causing this issue.


What can I add to my rc.conf to stop this arplookup problem?
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Re: freebsd installation order

2008-10-29 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:56:01PM +, pwn wrote:

 Jerry McAllister escreveu:
 On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:43:23PM +, pwn wrote:
 
   
 immediately after the installation of FreeBSD what steps should be 
 performed by order
 1 - Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel
 2 - The Cutting Edge
 3 - Updating FreeBSD
 
 Is this the proper order?
 
 
 I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild.
 Then update the ports tree
 Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel - or if
 nothing is critical, just skip that.
 
 Then, install what ports you want and start running.
 
 As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT?
 If so, if you are using it to get in on FreeBSD development, then
 do that now and daily.If it is a server for something, then don't 
 do that.  Just periodically or if some important patch comes put, pull 
 in the latest security fixes with update.
 
 
 jerry
   
 
 
 just to clarify
 
 I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild. Then update the ports 
 tree
 Re:both this task can be done using csup or cvsup and using the samples 
 provided in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/

Yup.   That is what I use.

 
 Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel 
 Re:(taking a look on hardware and editing generic for example)

Unless you are running something where absolute maximum performance
is critical, don't bother removing things from the kernel.  Just
limit customizing to adding those things you need that are not
in by default - some drivers, maybe.

 
 As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT? 
 Re:yes, but i dont want get in on FreeBSD dev team, so i guess STABLE is 
 enought.
 

So, yup.   You seem to have it.

jerry

 
 
 
   
 there is some set of rules to be followed post-installation?
 since, i do not find any reference mentioning the order that should be 
 followed immediately after installation i would like to be informed if 
 possible what will be the proper order to facilitate the maintenance of 
 the operating system and the installation of new applications without 
 conflicts or problems with ports.
 thank you.
 
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Re: flash9 checklist

2008-10-29 Thread matt donovan
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Gary Jennejohn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:50:27 -0400
 Mikhail Teterin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  Sent by Vladimir Grebenschikov:
   I've seen temporary FF lockups with flashblock FF plugin enabled.
  Same here. Sometimes it works and some times any page containing flash
  will hang the entire browser. Doing a `killall npviewer.bin' (I use
  nspluginwrapper) will unfreeze the browser like nothing happened. You'll
  get the page -- but without the embedded flash, of course.
  I have only gotten Flash-9 to (mostly) work this morning -- thanks to
  nox' checklist, and have not yet been able to investigate, why it hangs
  on occasion...
 

 I don't have flashblock installed, but http://www.mtvmusic.com/ hangs
 firefox 100% of the time.  Strangely enough, under Linux it works just
 fine and I have pretty much the same version of flash and firefox installed
 on both systems.

 ---
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the issue seems to be with native firefox3 if you guys use it  since I have
native firefox3 and linux-firefox whihc is 2.0.0.17 and the linux-firefox
seems to work fine but the native firefox3 the npviewer.bin just hogs memory
and cpu
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Re: no reverse dns

2008-10-29 Thread Chuck Swiger

On Oct 29, 2008, at 11:10 AM, Robin Becker wrote:
We have just moved offices and our freebsd machine has started  
complaining in the following terms


Oct 29 17:14:39 int kernel: arplookup ww.xx.yy.zz failed: host is  
not on local network


We have an external router connected as a dhcp server at 192.168.0.2  
which apparently has external address ww.xx.yy.zz. I am using a  
fixed ip address ie


192.168.0.6

I have this in my rc.conf

defaultrouter=192.168.0.2
hostname=int.myoffice.com
ifconfig_em0=inet 192.168.0.6  netmask 255.255.255.0

and have dns mapping int.myoffice.com -- ww.xx.yy.zz,


If you tell the machine that it is int.myoffice.com and you set up DNS  
which claims that hostname has an external IP, it will be sad because  
it doesn't know how to reach that IP.  You can use DNS split-horizon /  
views to return the internal IP when the machine asks, or simply keep  
your external and internal names separate.  Ie, set up DNS like:


int.myoffice.com  A  192.168.0.6
ext.myoffice.com  A  ww.xx.yy.zz

Regards,
--
-Chuck

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Re: freebsd installation order

2008-10-29 Thread pwn

Jerry McAllister escreveu:

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:56:01PM +, pwn wrote:

  

Jerry McAllister escreveu:


On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:43:23PM +, pwn wrote:

 
  
immediately after the installation of FreeBSD what steps should be 
performed by order

1 - Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel
2 - The Cutting Edge
3 - Updating FreeBSD

Is this the proper order?
   


I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild.
Then update the ports tree
Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel - or if
nothing is critical, just skip that.

Then, install what ports you want and start running.

As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT?
If so, if you are using it to get in on FreeBSD development, then
do that now and daily.If it is a server for something, then don't 
do that.  Just periodically or if some important patch comes put, pull 
in the latest security fixes with update.



jerry
 
  

just to clarify

I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild. Then update the ports 
tree
Re:both this task can be done using csup or cvsup and using the samples 
provided in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/



Yup.   That is what I use.

  
Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel 
Re:(taking a look on hardware and editing generic for example)



Unless you are running something where absolute maximum performance
is critical, don't bother removing things from the kernel.  Just
limit customizing to adding those things you need that are not
in by default - some drivers, maybe.

  
As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT? 
Re:yes, but i dont want get in on FreeBSD dev team, so i guess STABLE is 
enought.





So, yup.   You seem to have it.

jerry
  
on this page 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html 
it says:
Tip: By default, when you build a custom kernel, all kernel modules will 
be rebuilt as well. If you want to update a kernel faster or to build 
only custom modules, you should edit /etc/make.conf before starting to 
build the kernel:


isnt enought editing the configuration file?  part of the devices listed 
there use modules that do not interest me which can i delete or comment, 
why the use of /etc/make.conf ?
also, its possible to automate all this pos-installation tasks in order 
to get things running fast and optimized? (i know /etc/make.conf can be 
used for this) but there are other methods that require spendless time?


  



 
  

there is some set of rules to be followed post-installation?
since, i do not find any reference mentioning the order that should be 
followed immediately after installation i would like to be informed if 
possible what will be the proper order to facilitate the maintenance of 
the operating system and the installation of new applications without 
conflicts or problems with ports.

thank you.

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Filesystem, RAID questions

2008-10-29 Thread Rich Fairbanks
Hi,

I'm new to FreeBSD (and UNIX in general), and I have read through the
handbook and various websites to gain some insight on this question, but
haven't found a concrete solution yet, and I'm hoping you guys can help.

I'm wanting to build a FreeBSD 7.0 based file server for a small/medium
company that I work for and I've got the box up and running, samba is
working fine, the only problem that I can see is that the array that I
installed (3ware 9650SE) with 3 WD 1TB SATA drives in RAID 5 seems to be
performing very slowly. This isn't just an issue of slow access over the
network for the Windows users, but when I transfer a few GB from directory
to directory on the array, or from the system disk to the array or vice
versa.

Now, this is how I set up the array. I installed the card, popped in the
drives. The card bios found the drives and allowed me to setup in RAID 5.
Then, FreeBSD booted and found the disk as da0. I want the entire array to
be one big chunk of space. In other words, I don't need a bunch of slices or
partitions (or DO I? I'm still very new to the whole slice vs. partition
concept)

I typed newfs /dev/da0 . A ton of numbers went across the screen, then I
mounted /dev/da0 at /usr/home/storage. It works, but perhaps I missed a step
that would have made things easier/perform better, etc.

Besides creating the file system a different way, what would be an optimum
stripe size for the array? I will using this for storing, basically, a TON
of word documents and email messages, and a few large .pst files. So, the
average file size will be in the 25-100K range, but a few 1-2GB files.

Thanks for ANY and all help. If this question has been asked and answered a
million times, please forgive me and just point me to the place where I can
read up on this issue.

Thanks,

RF
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Filesystem, RAID Question

2008-10-29 Thread Rich Fairbanks
Hi,

I'm new to FreeBSD (and UNIX in general), and I have read through the
handbook and various websites to gain some insight on this question, but
haven't found a concrete solution yet, and I'm hoping you guys can help.

I'm wanting to build a FreeBSD 7.0 based file server for a small/medium
company that I work for and I've got the box up and running, samba is
working fine, the only problem that I can see is that the array that I
installed (3ware 9650SE) with 3 WD 1TB SATA drives in RAID 5 seems to be
performing very slowly. This isn't just an issue of slow access over the
network for the Windows users, but when I transfer a few GB from directory
to directory on the array, or from the system disk to the array or vice
versa.

Now, this is how I set up the array. I installed the card, popped in the
drives. The card bios found the drives and allowed me to setup in RAID 5.
Then, FreeBSD booted and found the disk as da0. I want the entire array to
be one big chunk of space. In other words, I don't need a bunch of slices or
partitions (or DO I? I'm still very new to the whole slice vs. partition
concept)

I typed newfs /dev/da0 . A ton of numbers went across the screen, then I
mounted /dev/da0 at /usr/home/storage. It works, but perhaps I missed a step
that would have made things easier/perform better, etc.

Besides creating the file system a different way, what would be an optimum
stripe size for the array? I will using this for storing, basically, a TON
of word documents and email messages, and a few large .pst files. So, the
average file size will be in the 25-100K range, but a few 1-2GB files.

Thanks for ANY and all help. If this question has been asked and answered a
million times, please forgive me and just point me to the place where I can
read up on this issue.

Thanks,

RF
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Re: freebsd installation order

2008-10-29 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 06:39:16PM +, pwn wrote:

 Jerry McAllister escreveu:
 On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:56:01PM +, pwn wrote:
 
   
 Jerry McAllister escreveu:
 
 On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:43:23PM +, pwn wrote:
 
  
   
 immediately after the installation of FreeBSD what steps should be 
 performed by order
 1 - Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel
 2 - The Cutting Edge
 3 - Updating FreeBSD
 
 Is this the proper order?

 
 I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild.
 Then update the ports tree
 Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel - or if
 nothing is critical, just skip that.
 
 Then, install what ports you want and start running.
 
 As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT?
 If so, if you are using it to get in on FreeBSD development, then
 do that now and daily.If it is a server for something, then don't 
 do that.  Just periodically or if some important patch comes put, pull 
 in the latest security fixes with update.
 
 
 jerry
  
   
 just to clarify
 
 I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild. Then update the ports 
 tree
 Re:both this task can be done using csup or cvsup and using the samples 
 provided in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/
 
 
 Yup.   That is what I use.
 
   
 Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel 
 Re:(taking a look on hardware and editing generic for example)
 
 
 Unless you are running something where absolute maximum performance
 is critical, don't bother removing things from the kernel.  Just
 limit customizing to adding those things you need that are not
 in by default - some drivers, maybe.
 
   
 As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT? 
 Re:yes, but i dont want get in on FreeBSD dev team, so i guess STABLE is 
 enought.
 
 
 
 So, yup.   You seem to have it.
 
 jerry
   
 on this page 
 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html 
 it says:
 Tip: By default, when you build a custom kernel, all kernel modules will 
 be rebuilt as well. If you want to update a kernel faster or to build 
 only custom modules, you should edit /etc/make.conf before starting to 
 build the kernel:

It would take more time to edit /etc/make.conf than you would
save in the kernel build.If you are doing lots of kernel
builds while doing development, maybe then this would be worthwhile,
but kernel builds do not take enough time on modern machines to
bother speeding them up trivial amounts.   Basically, this is 
saying you can fix things up so that it only builds those modules
that you are changing when you do a rebuild and skips the others.

This is not relevant to general system performance, just kernel
builds.

jerry

 
 isnt enought editing the configuration file?  part of the devices listed 
 there use modules that do not interest me which can i delete or comment, 
 why the use of /etc/make.conf ?
 also, its possible to automate all this pos-installation tasks in order 
 to get things running fast and optimized? (i know /etc/make.conf can be 
 used for this) but there are other methods that require spendless time?
 
   
 
 
  
   
 there is some set of rules to be followed post-installation?
 since, i do not find any reference mentioning the order that should be 
 followed immediately after installation i would like to be informed if 
 possible what will be the proper order to facilitate the maintenance of 
 the operating system and the installation of new applications without 
 conflicts or problems with ports.
 thank you.
 
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Re: flash9 checklist

2008-10-29 Thread Maciej Suszko
Gary Jennejohn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:50:27 -0400
 Mikhail Teterin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Sent by Vladimir Grebenschikov:
   I've seen temporary FF lockups with flashblock FF plugin enabled.
  Same here. Sometimes it works and some times any page containing
  flash will hang the entire browser. Doing a `killall
  npviewer.bin' (I use nspluginwrapper) will unfreeze the browser
  like nothing happened. You'll get the page -- but without the
  embedded flash, of course. I have only gotten Flash-9 to (mostly)
  work this morning -- thanks to nox' checklist, and have not yet
  been able to investigate, why it hangs on occasion...
  
 
 I don't have flashblock installed, but http://www.mtvmusic.com/ hangs
 firefox 100% of the time.  Strangely enough, under Linux it works just
 fine and I have pretty much the same version of flash and firefox
 installed on both systems.

I can't confirm that - I just disabled flashblock and currently
watching some videos from site you have problems with. Saying more -
I'm clicking on different flash-sites over 1 hour with flashblock
disabled and my FF (3.0.3,1) didn't hang.
I'm using yesterday's build of 7.0-PRERELEASE with latest available
linux-flashplugin9 port.

I also can't confirm that it's not going to crash ;-)
-- 
regards, Maciej Suszko.


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Re: freebsd installation order

2008-10-29 Thread pwn

Jerry McAllister escreveu:

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 06:39:16PM +, pwn wrote:

  

Jerry McAllister escreveu:


On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:56:01PM +, pwn wrote:

 
  

Jerry McAllister escreveu:
   


On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:43:23PM +, pwn wrote:


 
  
immediately after the installation of FreeBSD what steps should be 
performed by order

1 - Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel
2 - The Cutting Edge
3 - Updating FreeBSD

Is this the proper order?
  
   


I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild.
Then update the ports tree
Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel - or if
nothing is critical, just skip that.

Then, install what ports you want and start running.

As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT?
If so, if you are using it to get in on FreeBSD development, then
do that now and daily.If it is a server for something, then don't 
do that.  Just periodically or if some important patch comes put, pull 
in the latest security fixes with update.



jerry

 
  

just to clarify

I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild. Then update the ports 
tree
Re:both this task can be done using csup or cvsup and using the samples 
provided in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/
   


Yup.   That is what I use.

 
  
Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel 
Re:(taking a look on hardware and editing generic for example)
   


Unless you are running something where absolute maximum performance
is critical, don't bother removing things from the kernel.  Just
limit customizing to adding those things you need that are not
in by default - some drivers, maybe.

 
  
As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT? 
Re:yes, but i dont want get in on FreeBSD dev team, so i guess STABLE is 
enought.


   


So, yup.   You seem to have it.

jerry
 
  
on this page 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html 
it says:
Tip: By default, when you build a custom kernel, all kernel modules will 
be rebuilt as well. If you want to update a kernel faster or to build 
only custom modules, you should edit /etc/make.conf before starting to 
build the kernel:



It would take more time to edit /etc/make.conf than you would
save in the kernel build.If you are doing lots of kernel
builds while doing development, maybe then this would be worthwhile,
but kernel builds do not take enough time on modern machines to
bother speeding them up trivial amounts.   Basically, this is 
saying you can fix things up so that it only builds those modules

that you are changing when you do a rebuild and skips the others.

This is not relevant to general system performance, just kernel
builds.

jerry
  


i got it =), although, imho kernel builds always affect system 
performance.(maybe not in general)
i was just asking myself a away for simplify at extreme this tasks that 
sometime can take many time, i guess after configure FreeBSD on a 
machine i should copy some configuration files like, /etc/make.conf and 
a custom kernel in attempt to avoid repetitive tasks.
  
isnt enought editing the configuration file?  part of the devices listed 
there use modules that do not interest me which can i delete or comment, 
why the use of /etc/make.conf ?
also, its possible to automate all this pos-installation tasks in order 
to get things running fast and optimized? (i know /etc/make.conf can be 
used for this) but there are other methods that require spendless time?



 
  
   

 
  

there is some set of rules to be followed post-installation?
since, i do not find any reference mentioning the order that should be 
followed immediately after installation i would like to be informed if 
possible what will be the proper order to facilitate the maintenance of 
the operating system and the installation of new applications without 
conflicts or problems with ports.

thank you.

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Re: flash9 checklist

2008-10-29 Thread Chagin Dmitry
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 07:05:51PM +0100, Gary Jennejohn wrote:
 On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:50:27 -0400
 Mikhail Teterin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Sent by Vladimir Grebenschikov:
   I've seen temporary FF lockups with flashblock FF plugin enabled.
  Same here. Sometimes it works and some times any page containing flash 
  will hang the entire browser. Doing a `killall npviewer.bin' (I use 
  nspluginwrapper) will unfreeze the browser like nothing happened. You'll 
  get the page -- but without the embedded flash, of course.
  I have only gotten Flash-9 to (mostly) work this morning -- thanks to 
  nox' checklist, and have not yet been able to investigate, why it hangs 
  on occasion...
  
 
 I don't have flashblock installed, but http://www.mtvmusic.com/ hangs
 firefox 100% of the time.  Strangely enough, under Linux it works just

Hi,
yes, I can confirm. thnx!


 fine and I have pretty much the same version of flash and firefox installed
 on both systems.
 

-- 
Have fun!
chd
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Re: Filesystem, RAID questions

2008-10-29 Thread Chris St Denis
At 1TB the drive will take very long to fsck if the server ever crashes 
or looses power.


If this is a problem you should look into using gjournal(8)

Not sure off hand why it would be so slow, but keep in mind raid5 isn't 
particularly fast for writes



Rich Fairbanks wrote:

Hi,

I'm new to FreeBSD (and UNIX in general), and I have read through the
handbook and various websites to gain some insight on this question, but
haven't found a concrete solution yet, and I'm hoping you guys can help.

I'm wanting to build a FreeBSD 7.0 based file server for a small/medium
company that I work for and I've got the box up and running, samba is
working fine, the only problem that I can see is that the array that I
installed (3ware 9650SE) with 3 WD 1TB SATA drives in RAID 5 seems to be
performing very slowly. This isn't just an issue of slow access over the
network for the Windows users, but when I transfer a few GB from directory
to directory on the array, or from the system disk to the array or vice
versa.

Now, this is how I set up the array. I installed the card, popped in the
drives. The card bios found the drives and allowed me to setup in RAID 5.
Then, FreeBSD booted and found the disk as da0. I want the entire array to
be one big chunk of space. In other words, I don't need a bunch of slices or
partitions (or DO I? I'm still very new to the whole slice vs. partition
concept)

I typed newfs /dev/da0 . A ton of numbers went across the screen, then I
mounted /dev/da0 at /usr/home/storage. It works, but perhaps I missed a step
that would have made things easier/perform better, etc.

Besides creating the file system a different way, what would be an optimum
stripe size for the array? I will using this for storing, basically, a TON
of word documents and email messages, and a few large .pst files. So, the
average file size will be in the 25-100K range, but a few 1-2GB files.

Thanks for ANY and all help. If this question has been asked and answered a
million times, please forgive me and just point me to the place where I can
read up on this issue.

Thanks,

RF
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freebsd-update can't find update.FreeBSD.org

2008-10-29 Thread Steven Susbauer

freebsd-update fetch fails if the default ServerName
update.FreeBSD.org is not changed to ServerName update1.FreeBSD.org
in /etc/freebsd-update.conf.

This happens on at least 6.3, I believe it is also the case in later
versions but am unsure (7-RELEASE and later kill my networking card due
to a kernel regression).

I am wanting input before writing up a PR, to see if in fact I am just
some isolated case, or if it has been fixed already in newer versions.

uname -a:

FreeBSD thinkpad.lan 6.3-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE-p5 #0: Wed Oct
1 05:34:19 UTC 2008
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  i386


Nonfunctional:

thinkpad# freebsd-update --debug fetch
Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found.
Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update.FreeBSD.org...
fetch: http://update.FreeBSD.org/6.3-RELEASE/i386/latest.ssl: No address
record
failed.
No mirrors remaining, giving up.

With update1:

thinkpad# freebsd-update --debug fetch
Looking up update1.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found.
Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update1.FreeBSD.org...
latest.ssl100% of  512  B  123 kBps
done.
Fetching metadata index...
344cfb64472cacb781688b5de744795f140233e84105c4100% of  225  B   52 kBps
done.
Inspecting system... done.
Preparing to download files... done.


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Re: freebsd-update can't find update.FreeBSD.org

2008-10-29 Thread matt donovan
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Steven Susbauer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 freebsd-update fetch fails if the default ServerName
 update.FreeBSD.org is not changed to ServerName update1.FreeBSD.org
 in /etc/freebsd-update.conf.

 This happens on at least 6.3, I believe it is also the case in later
 versions but am unsure (7-RELEASE and later kill my networking card due
 to a kernel regression).

 I am wanting input before writing up a PR, to see if in fact I am just
 some isolated case, or if it has been fixed already in newer versions.

 uname -a:

 FreeBSD thinkpad.lan 6.3-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE-p5 #0: Wed Oct
 1 05:34:19 UTC 2008
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  i386


 Nonfunctional:

 thinkpad# freebsd-update --debug fetch
 Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found.
 Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update.FreeBSD.org...
 fetch: http://update.FreeBSD.org/6.3-RELEASE/i386/latest.ssl: No address
 record
 failed.
 No mirrors remaining, giving up.

 With update1:

 thinkpad# freebsd-update --debug fetch
 Looking up update1.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found.
 Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update1.FreeBSD.org...
 latest.ssl100% of  512  B  123 kBps
 done.
 Fetching metadata index...
 344cfb64472cacb781688b5de744795f140233e84105c4100% of  225  B   52 kBps
 done.
 Inspecting system... done.
 Preparing to download files... done.


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update.freebsd.org should work
 Considering that update1.freebsd.org is a mirror for update.freebsd.org. it
works fine here for update.freebsd.org ever since I updated to 7.x from
6.2(tested freebsd-update on 6.2)
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Re: Filesystem, RAID Question

2008-10-29 Thread Matthew Seaman

Rich Fairbanks wrote:


Now, this is how I set up the array. I installed the card, popped in the
drives. The card bios found the drives and allowed me to setup in RAID 5.
Then, FreeBSD booted and found the disk as da0. I want the entire array to
be one big chunk of space. In other words, I don't need a bunch of slices or
partitions (or DO I? I'm still very new to the whole slice vs. partition
concept)


The default settings should actually work just about right for a 
general purpose file system with reasonably sized files.  A RAID5 
across 3x1TB drives will give you 2+ TB usable space -- that's within 
the  capabilities of UFS2, so you should be OK there.  However a 3 disk 
RAID5 is the worst performing RAID5 setup you can create.  A larger 
number of smaller disks would probably have served you better.



I typed newfs /dev/da0 . A ton of numbers went across the screen, then I
mounted /dev/da0 at /usr/home/storage. It works, but perhaps I missed a step
that would have made things easier/perform better, etc.


The sort of changes you can make at newfs time mostly affect how 
efficient the storage is -- ie. tuning the system for particularly 
large or small files.  While newfs and tunefs can affect performance, 
they aren't the first thing to look at here. 


Besides creating the file system a different way, what would be an optimum
stripe size for the array? I will using this for storing, basically, a TON
of word documents and email messages, and a few large .pst files. So, the
average file size will be in the 25-100K range, but a few 1-2GB files.


Just take the default stripe size the array controller presents you 
with -- it will be appropriate for this sort of mixed file sizes.


The first thing to consider is what sort of IO caching strategy your
hardware is using.  Does your RAID controller have a battery backup
unit?  Probably not, as that tends to add a large whack onto the price.

If not, then your array controller will not report an IO operation as 
complete to the OS until the bits have been written to the disk[*].  
With the BBU, the controller can report the operation as complete as 
soon as  the data is stored in (battery backed) RAM on the controller.  
These  modes are called 'write through' and 'write back' in some 
controllers, but I can't for the life of me remember which is which.


Given that you don't have a BBU, what is the status of write caching
on the individual hard drives?  You'll have to use 3dm2 or the CLI 
equivalent to investigate this, as the RAID controller tends to hide 
that level of information from the OS.  However, this setting is the
same thing as controlled by the hw.ata.wc sysctl -- and like that 
it has a major effect on disk IO performance.  Turning write caching 
off is the safe, conservative thing to do for maximum data security.  

Turning write caching on is the only way to get decent performance out 
of ordinary hard drives, but it leaves you open to data loss if the 
machine should crash or lose power suddenly.  Most systems with ATA

or ordinary SATA drives default to using write caching.  SCSI and fast
SAS drives can be configured either way.

You'ld always turn disk level write caching off if you've got a BBU, 
because it's made redundant in that case by the controller memory 
cache.


If fiddling with write caching can't make things any better, then I'd 
reconsider using RAID5.  Unfortunately 3 disks doesn't leave you with 
many options.  Add another drive of the same size and you can make a 4 
disk RAID10 with 2TB usable space.  Or you can configure the RAID 
controller to act as a JBOD and try out ZFS -- the RAID-Z mode is 
the moral equivalent of RAID5 but quite different in operation.


Cheers,

Matthew

[*] Some disks have been known to lie about completing IO transactions 
even when set to the most conservative mode.  IMHO they aren't fit for 
purpose and should you be landed with such things you'ld be entitled 
to a refund from the vendor.


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Re: freebsd-update can't find update.FreeBSD.org

2008-10-29 Thread Steven Susbauer

matt donovan wrote:



On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Steven Susbauer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

freebsd-update fetch fails if the default ServerName
update.FreeBSD.org http://update.FreeBSD.org is not changed to
ServerName update1.FreeBSD.org http://update1.FreeBSD.org
in /etc/freebsd-update.conf.

This happens on at least 6.3, I believe it is also the case in later
versions but am unsure (7-RELEASE and later kill my networking card 
due

to a kernel regression).

I am wanting input before writing up a PR, to see if in fact I am just
some isolated case, or if it has been fixed already in newer versions.

uname -a:

FreeBSD thinkpad.lan 6.3-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE-p5 #0: Wed Oct
1 05:34:19 UTC 2008
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386


Nonfunctional:

thinkpad# freebsd-update --debug fetch
Looking up update.FreeBSD.org http://update.FreeBSD.org mirrors...
none found.
Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update.FreeBSD.org...
fetch: http://update.FreeBSD.org/6.3-RELEASE/i386/latest.ssl: No 
address

record
failed.
No mirrors remaining, giving up.

With update1:

thinkpad# freebsd-update --debug fetch
Looking up update1.FreeBSD.org http://update1.FreeBSD.org
mirrors... none found.
Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from 
update1.FreeBSD.org...

latest.ssl 100% of 512 B 123 kBps
done.
Fetching metadata index...
344cfb64472cacb781688b5de744795f140233e84105c4100% of 225 B 52 kBps
done.
Inspecting system... done.
Preparing to download files... done.


update.freebsd.org should work
Considering that update1.freebsd.org is a
mirror for update.freebsd.org. it works fine
here for update.freebsd.org ever since I
updated to 7.x from 6.2(tested freebsd-update on 6.2)


update.freebsd.org does not have a DNS entry associated with it, could
that be part of the problem I'm having? (just-ping.com gets Unknown Host
from 34 systems around the world)


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Re: freebsd-update can't find update.FreeBSD.org

2008-10-29 Thread andrew clarke
On Wed 2008-10-29 13:37:11 UTC-0600, Steven Susbauer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 freebsd-update fetch fails if the default ServerName
 update.FreeBSD.org is not changed to ServerName update1.FreeBSD.org
 in /etc/freebsd-update.conf.

 thinkpad# freebsd-update --debug fetch
 Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found.

May be related to this:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2008-October/183886.html
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Re: freebsd-update can't find update.FreeBSD.org

2008-10-29 Thread Steven Susbauer

andrew clarke wrote:
On Wed 2008-10-29 13:37:11 UTC-0600, Steven Susbauer 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:



freebsd-update fetch fails if the default ServerName
update.FreeBSD.org is not changed to ServerName update1.FreeBSD.org
in /etc/freebsd-update.conf.



thinkpad# freebsd-update --debug fetch
Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found.


May be related to this:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2008-October/183886.html


Yes it certainly was, my router dnsmasq.conf included filterwin2k, which
apparently blocks SRV requests. Will remember to keep that off in the
future.

Thanks


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Re: Filesystem, RAID Question

2008-10-29 Thread Josh Paetzel
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Matthew Seaman wrote:
 Rich Fairbanks wrote:
 
 Now, this is how I set up the array. I installed the card, popped in the
 drives. The card bios found the drives and allowed me to setup in RAID 5.
 Then, FreeBSD booted and found the disk as da0. I want the entire
 array to
 be one big chunk of space. In other words, I don't need a bunch of
 slices or
 partitions (or DO I? I'm still very new to the whole slice vs. partition
 concept)
 

newfs /dev/da0 gives you a filesystem with softupdates turned off.
You'll want to enable them.  Either reinitialize the filesystem with
newfs -U or use tunefs to turn softupdates on.

3ware recently released new firmware for the 9650 and 9690 cards that
has given me some impressive jumps in application level performance.
You can flash the card from in the OS using tw_cli


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Thanks,

Josh Paetzel

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GPT Support on Freebsd

2008-10-29 Thread Franck
Hi,

Thank you for help. I provide you the maximum information about my partitions.

Before, I watch the kernel configuration. When I fetch the kernel
sources, I can see 2 differents configuration files : DEFAULTS and
GENERIC. and the line : options GEOM_PART_GPT is present
only in GENERIC. If I use my knowledge in linux systems, I would say
that my actual kernel was compiled with the DEFAULTS conf, which
doesn't enable the support of GPT for GEOM. Maybe I'm wrong, my knew
kernel is compiling...

On Freebsd :

[EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/home/Dante]$ ls /dev/|grep ^ad
ad0
ad0s2
ad0s3
ad0s4
ad0s4a
ad0s4b
ad0s4c

my dmesg :
http://pastebin.com/m7b5f130e

On Gentoo :

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ % LANG=C sudo parted /dev/sda
GNU Parted 1.8.8
Using /dev/sda
Welcome to GNU Parted! Type 'help' to view a list of commands.
(parted) p
Model: ATA ST9200420ASG (scsi)
Disk /dev/sda: 200GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: gpt

Number  Start   End SizeFile system  Name  Flags
 1  20.5kB  210MB   210MB   fat32EFI System Partition  boot
 2  210MB   19.4GB  19.2GB  hfs+ MacOSX
 3  19.4GB  19.6GB  206MB   ext2
 4  19.6GB  39.5GB  19.9GB
 6  39.5GB  42.7GB  3142MB  linux-swap
 5  42.7GB  58.4GB  15.7GB  ext3 Gentoo
 7  58.4GB  74.1GB  15.7GB  ext3
 9  89.9GB  200GB   110GB   ext3

The 4 is my ufs partition. UFS is not recognize on my gentoo system.
The partition 7 is my home, the one that I want to mount under
freebsd.

Again, thank you for your help

Franck

2008/10/29 John Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Wednesday 29 October 2008 11:52:19 am Franck Royer wrote:
 John Baldwin a écrit :
  On Wednesday 29 October 2008 07:42:18 am Lowell Gilbert wrote:
 
  Franck Royer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 
  Can I oblige pcbsd to look the gpt table instead of the msdos one ? How
  can I access to my fifth partition ?
 
  John Baldwin (jhb) has been working on GPT support, but it's still
  reported to be a work in progress. It works as far as recognizing
  disks over 16TB.  It also gets picked up by the geom framework.  I'm
  not sure about booting, although there are tantalizing hints in the
  manual pages.
 
 
  GPT booting works just fine on 6.x and later.  Using the gpt(8) utility
 you
  basically do:
 
  # gpt create foo0
  # gpt boot foo0
 
  The second command creates a special boot partition in /dev/foo0p1.  You
 can
  then add partitions:
 
  # gpt add -t ufs other params like size if needed foo0
  # newfs /dev/foo0p2
 
  gpart(8) in HEAD works similarly.  The one thing lacking is that
  sysinstall/libdisk doesn't handle GPT, so there isn't a nice way to do it
  during installation.
 
 
 Ok thank you. But actually, it's not what I'm looking for.

 I use freebsd on a macbook. On this macbook, I already have a gpt,
 refit, mac os x and some linux partitions. The problem is freebsd, which
 doesn't recognize partitions after the fourth one (but my gentoo linux
 see them).

 Then, I suppose freebsd use the mbr partition table (synchronized from
 the gpt one using refit) to populate the /dev, but partitions after the
 fourth, which are those I want to use, are only indexed in the gpt.

 Finally, I want to force freebsd to use the gpt on my hard drive to
 allow it to see others partitions.

 I don't want to destroy my actual gpt, maybe one day, but no right now.

 Tell me if my english is too bad to be understood.

 I just want to precise that I use pcvbsd 7.0, so the kernel
 configuration might be different than the freebsd generic one.

 What device entries do you see in /dev?

 --
 John Baldwin




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Re: flash9 checklist

2008-10-29 Thread Scott T. Hildreth
On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 22:02 +0300, Chagin Dmitry wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 07:05:51PM +0100, Gary Jennejohn wrote:
  On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:50:27 -0400
  Mikhail Teterin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Sent by Vladimir Grebenschikov:
I've seen temporary FF lockups with flashblock FF plugin enabled.
   Same here. Sometimes it works and some times any page containing flash 
   will hang the entire browser. Doing a `killall npviewer.bin' (I use 
   nspluginwrapper) will unfreeze the browser like nothing happened. You'll 
   get the page -- but without the embedded flash, of course.
   I have only gotten Flash-9 to (mostly) work this morning -- thanks to 
   nox' checklist, and have not yet been able to investigate, why it hangs 
   on occasion...
   
  
  I don't have flashblock installed, but http://www.mtvmusic.com/ hangs
  firefox 100% of the time.  Strangely enough, under Linux it works just
 
 Hi,
 yes, I can confirm. thnx!

  Works for me, but I am using 2.0.0.17 + flash9.

  I didn't know about this site.  Awesome, back when MTV actually played
music.

:-D

 
 
  fine and I have pretty much the same version of flash and firefox installed
  on both systems.
  
 
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Re: GPT Support on Freebsd

2008-10-29 Thread Polytropon
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:40:33 +, Franck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If I use my knowledge in linux systems, I would say
 that my actual kernel was compiled with the DEFAULTS conf, which
 doesn't enable the support of GPT for GEOM. Maybe I'm wrong, my knew
 kernel is compiling...

Without setting KERNCONF, the GENERIC kernel configuration file
will be used to build a kernel, if I remember the handbook
correctly.



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Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
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Re: MTA on non-standard port

2008-10-29 Thread Jeffrey Goldberg

On Oct 26, 2008, at 7:23 PM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:

1) Incoming SMTP (e.g. someIP:* -- yourIP:25)
2) Outbound SMTP (e.g. yourIP:* -- someIP:25)

#2 has become prominent in the past few years, and is applied by ISPs
because they want to curb their customers sending spam out onto the
Internet (usually as a result of viruses, trojans, etc.), getting  
their

IPs blocked by DNSBLs and giving them a bad social rep.  Instead, they
force customers to relay outbound mail through their own SMTP servers
(called a smart host in sendmail terms).

There's absolutely no way around this; you can beg them all you want,
but the chances of them adding a pass-through for you is very slim.


If you want to do direct to MX mailing, you are going to need to  
negotiate that separately.  At the very least you will need a static  
IP address.  If you pay for that, then you will probably be allowed to  
do direct to MX mailing.


On the whole, I think that Access Service Providers are right in this  
policy.  Back in the old days of smaller ASPs, there were several that  
had a simple policy.  You could be allowed destination:25 traffic  
merely by asking for it.  They figured that anyone smart enough to ask  
for it knew what they were doing.  But it was blocked by default.


But keep in mind that if you don't have a static IP address, the mail  
hosts you try to reach are also very likely to block you.



The Linksys router has two outbound firewall rules applied to it: it
only allows bsdIP on my LAN to connect to someIP:25,587 -- thus, only
one machine on my LAN is allowed to speak SMTP to the world.  I do  
this
purely as a precautionary measure (in case one of my friends comes  
over

with his/her laptop, which happens to be infected and sends spam, etc.
-- it won't work, period).


Wise choice.  I wish more home and business networks did that.

Eventually they stated that I could send mail through their mail  
servers

on port 587.  I quickly set this up, and found it failed -- their
servers require SMTP AUTH on port 587, no exceptions (note: this is
NOT mandatory by the RFC; it's OPTIONAL).


Again.  I think that this is fit and proper.


The reason I do not like siphoning mail through Comcast: their mail
servers are known to act wonky or /dev/null mail for mysterious  
reasons.


Then pay money to a company whose business depends on doing mail  
right.  I use fastmail.fm which I highly recommend.



I hope the experience with your ISP is better than mine.  Good luck.


A business account (needed for a static IP address) is expensive.  But  
don't expect to mail directly to MX (without going through some  
mailhub, either comcast's or a service that you pay separately for)  
without one.


Cheers,

-j
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