Re: Modern FreeBSD Installer?

2009-04-23 Thread Polytropon
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:27:39 -0700, Fritz fkolb...@q.com wrote:
 As a big fan (and paying subscriber) of FreeBSD it pains
 me to ask this question:  When are you going to build
 a modern installer for FreeBSD?

It has already been done. The modern installer is called sysinstall.
It covers many actions: It does not only install the operating systen,
it furthermore helps installaing applications and configuring the
system, its services, network settings, security and so on. It can
be used from a serial console, from the text mode, and from an X
terminal. It's very straight forward. For maximum easiness of
operations, it's controlled via the keyboard. As I mentioned, this
can be a local keyboard, or one of a serial terminal (a real
terminal in hardware or a connected terminal emulator). At the
moment, this modern installer is available in the english language,
which is the main communications language of the FreeBSD operating
system. English language is a mandatory language for any serious
IT bizniz, so it's no problem at all.

If you think the FreeBSD installer lacks a specific functionality,
then feel free to report to the mailing list or contact the FreeBSD
developers.



 I looked at the list of projects and didn't see it there ... did
 I miss something?

Obviously. :-)



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Re: awk question (actively tail a file notify when expression is found)

2009-04-23 Thread Polytropon
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:38:47 -0700, Evuraan::ഏവൂരാന്‍  evur...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 but this below, does not work
 
  tail -f /var/log/apache2/access.log |awk ' /192.168.1.100/ {  print
 $0 | mail m...@email.address  }'

I would suggest to keep the system() approach:

tail -f /var/log/apache2/access.log | awk '/192.168.1.100/ { 
system(sprintf(echo %s | mail m...@email.address, $0)); }'



 Any pointers would be much appreciated.

It should work, but I'm sure someonle else will soon show you
some more elegant way. :-)



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Re: Modern FreeBSD Installer?

2009-04-23 Thread Polytropon
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:16:43 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar 
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
 i don't understand WHY something has to be better just because it's 
 working in graphics mode.

The problem is that if the graphics isn't optional (if it's the
default), the whole thing is *limiting* the actions you can do
with it. Simply consider what will happen if you try to use a
GUI installer via a serial console (and this is a common task
in datacenters).



 it doesn't make sense.

Exactly. More graphics != better. And surely not modern.



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Re: i had a tought

2009-04-23 Thread Polytropon
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:10:05 -0500, Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote:
 LMAO!  Touche!  So, are you saying I shouldn't ask any questions here
 about Ubuntu, Suse, RedHat, et al? 

Only if you want to know how to delete them. The answer is newfs. :-)



 Isn't Lunix better than BSD anyway?
 ;-)

No no, FreeBSD is the better Linux, as a german computer magazine
titled some years ago. :-)



PS. Please don't put HTML stuff in your mails. A mail client is
not a HTML browser and renderer. Thanks!

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Re: Modern FreeBSD Installer?

2009-04-23 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:59:53 +0300, Manolis Kiagias son...@otenet.gr wrote:
 VirtualHost wrote:
  Perhaps he doesn't want to specify what the
  partioning would look like himself, unless he prefered to do it
  otherwise.

The installer does this already, as far as I know.



 Exactly. Modern install does not necessarily mean GUI. FreeBSD *needs* a
 text installer to work on old machines, headless servers, serial
 consoles and the like. That being said, there are quite a few annoyances
 with sysinstall. And of course, having a GUI installer as an additional
 option is also very welcome.

No problem, as long as (a) it isn't default (read: too complicated
to switch it off of not needed) and (b) doesn't make things more
complicated.

It's nice you mentioned some problems (invitations for further
development) of sysinstall. Lemme see if I can add something
to it:

 Some of the current problems with sysinstall IMHO:
 
 - Confusing set of options - Beginners tend to go in circles inside the
 installer



 - No real 'back' functionality. Can't fix most mistakes, need to redo
 the install

Hmmm... I think this is where the user learns first think, then do
on a good basis.



 - Does not make the difference between base system and packages obvious.

Yes, especially when adding functionalities like Linux compatibility,
the installer installs some additional packages at this given moment.
I'd prefer an installer which acts in two stages:

Stage 1:
Make all the settings; this would maybe include the option
of having a back button, or much better: Instead of a
linear structure, a hierarchical structure with direct
access (as it is now) is much better - in this case, you
don't need a back button.

Stage 2:
Download (and install) the system and the packages that are
required by the settings made in stage 1.



 Personally, I would like a text installer using a previous/next approach
 that would give me options like:

Forgive me my ignorance, but personally, I completely DISLIKE this
linear approach. Instead of

A --- B --- C --- D --- E --- Foops, forgot something
E ---  no, not here
 D --- not here, too
  C ---ah, here it was, okay, got it
  C --- D --- E --- F --- Finish

A hierarchy would be better.

Options:
A   This and that
B   Some other stuff
C   More stuff
D   Even more stuff
E   Some settings
F   Several other settings
DoneCommit

So one could first select
A   This and that
then, knowing that C - E are not interesting for him, address
F   Several other settings
directly, make some choices, and then, maybe go back to 
A   This and that
and do some more tasks, and finally select
DoneCommit
to do the install.

This is what sysinstall already provides. In a modern way, it allows
to go back to any setting that has already been done and change it,
and the user is not limited in doing choices in a pre-defined order.





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Re: Modern FreeBSD Installer?

2009-04-23 Thread Polytropon
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:07:54 -1000, Al Plant n...@hdk5.net wrote:
 Gui installs have a tendency to hide things you need to tweak or alter 
 to suit a specific need.

That's a point especially when you want to turn an older 150 MHz
P1 into a worthful part of the IT society. :-)

No, honestly: If the GUI installer just runs on a narrow subsets
of up-to-date GPUs, there are major problems. Especially when a
server has no GPU at all.

Let me state this: correct screen detection is already a problem
with the big X, how should a small installer get this right
with its limited resources? Mind this: The installer runs in a
very limited setting, while X can rely on an already running
system.

Good ways to go (for those who want it this way) are PC-BSD,
DesktopBSD and FreeSBIE.



 I find it fast and efficient the way it is.

Which makes it modern, in my opinion. But hey, I'm old and
old-fashioned anyway. :-)

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Re: Modern FreeBSD Installer?

2009-04-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar

The problem is that if the graphics isn't optional (if it's the
default), the whole thing is *limiting* the actions you can do
with it.


like installing over serial port or without mouse.
both i use
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Re: Modern FreeBSD Installer?

2009-04-23 Thread Manolis Kiagias
Polytropon wrote:
 On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:59:53 +0300, Manolis Kiagias son...@otenet.gr wrote:
   

 Exactly. Modern install does not necessarily mean GUI. FreeBSD *needs* a
 text installer to work on old machines, headless servers, serial
 consoles and the like. That being said, there are quite a few annoyances
 with sysinstall. And of course, having a GUI installer as an additional
 option is also very welcome.
 

 No problem, as long as (a) it isn't default (read: too complicated
 to switch it off of not needed) and (b) doesn't make things more
 complicated.
   

The text installer should always be the default, IMHO. A GUI  installer
should be selectable i.e. from the boot options.
I hope Ivan Voras finds the time to continue with the finstall project,
it looked very promising:

http://ivoras.sharanet.org/blog/tree/2009-02-19.what-happened-to-finstall.html

 - No real 'back' functionality. Can't fix most mistakes, need to redo
 the install
 

 Hmmm... I think this is where the user learns first think, then do
 on a good basis.


   

The problem here is that sysinstall *does* allow you to go back and redo
some steps, but then fails miserably and mysteriously


   
 Personally, I would like a text installer using a previous/next approach
 that would give me options like:
 

 Forgive me my ignorance, but personally, I completely DISLIKE this
 linear approach. Instead of

   A --- B --- C --- D --- E --- Foops, forgot something
   E ---  no, not here
D --- not here, too
 C ---ah, here it was, okay, got it
 C --- D --- E --- F --- Finish
   

The moving back approach as I see it is not intended as an excuse to
leave your brain turned off. And it doesn't even have to move back all
steps - one would be enough for the occasional wrong key-press.

 A hierarchy would be better.

   Options:
   A   This and that
   B   Some other stuff
   C   More stuff
   D   Even more stuff
   E   Some settings
   F   Several other settings
   DoneCommit

 So one could first select
   A   This and that
 then, knowing that C - E are not interesting for him, address
   F   Several other settings
 directly, make some choices, and then, maybe go back to 
   A   This and that
 and do some more tasks, and finally select
   DoneCommit
 to do the install.

   

I have no problem with this strategy, but...

 This is what sysinstall already provides. In a modern way, it allows
 to go back to any setting that has already been done and change it,
 and the user is not limited in doing choices in a pre-defined order.
   

...it does allow you to go back in a sort of way - but then fails many
times to continue normally.

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Re: Modern FreeBSD Installer?

2009-04-23 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 06:43:32 +0100, Matthew Seaman 
m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote:
 So long as it maintains two other really useful features of the existing
 sysinstall: [...]
* You answer all of the questions first, and only then does the installer
  commit any irreversible changes -- and particularly not any operations
  that take appreciable lengths of time like creating filesystems or
  downloading voluminous install sets.

Exactly, that would be my point, too: FIRST do the interaction,
do ALL the interaction and do it in one chunk. THEN start installing
everything that's needed by the choices done. This would include
additional packages required by certain services.

As an addition, I could imagine a combination of the linear and
the hierarchical settings access method. I may draw a silly
picture:

FreeBSD installerNTP settings10/28
--

Enable NTP? [x] Yes [ ] No
NTP server: [ntpthing.bla.dings.org  ]   Select   
Some setting:   [oh don't know   ]
Other setting:  [ ] Choice A[x] Choice B[ ] Choice C

Prev next
--
F1   | F2   | F3   | F4   | F10
Help | Menu | Prev: Network (9/28) | Next: Kernel (11/28) | Cancel

And yes, I know emplying the function keys can be a problem, but
I like them. :-)

But I think you get the idea.



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Re: Modern FreeBSD Installer?

2009-04-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar

Good ways to go (for those who want it this way) are PC-BSD,
DesktopBSD and FreeSBIE.


or ever better - Windows. don't use imitations when you can get an 
original!

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Re: Modern FreeBSD Installer?

2009-04-23 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:00:24 +0300, Manolis Kiagias son...@otenet.gr wrote:
 The text installer should always be the default, IMHO. A GUI  installer
 should be selectable i.e. from the boot options.
 I hope Ivan Voras finds the time to continue with the finstall project,
 it looked very promising:
 
 http://ivoras.sharanet.org/blog/tree/2009-02-19.what-happened-to-finstall.html

As an option, yes; as a replacement... uhm, no, better not...



 The problem here is that sysinstall *does* allow you to go back and redo
 some steps, but then fails miserably and mysteriously
 [...]
 ...it does allow you to go back in a sort of way - but then fails many
 times to continue normally.

I don't deny that fact that this observation is possible, but I
never found such a behaviour. Could you provide an example how
to create a situation where sysinstall fails as you mentioned it?
(It's a completely honest question.)


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how to deceive programs as if I were a local user?

2009-04-23 Thread Kouichiro Iwao
Hi.

I'm going to connect to the remote server with nxclient.
But, net/linux-nx-client does't work with non-local (NIS or LDAP) account.

Connecting the remote server, nxclient says connection error and
I found out that it caused by nxssh.

If nxssh was executed by a NIS account, nxssh says,
[m...@trueno ~]$ nxssh
You don't exist, go away!

How to deceive programs as if I were a user in /etc/master.passwd?

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Re: Modern FreeBSD Installer?

2009-04-23 Thread Manolis Kiagias
Polytropon wrote:
 On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:00:24 +0300, Manolis Kiagias son...@otenet.gr wrote:
   
 The text installer should always be the default, IMHO. A GUI  installer
 should be selectable i.e. from the boot options.
 I hope Ivan Voras finds the time to continue with the finstall project,
 it looked very promising:

 http://ivoras.sharanet.org/blog/tree/2009-02-19.what-happened-to-finstall.html
 

 As an option, yes; as a replacement... uhm, no, better not...



   
 The problem here is that sysinstall *does* allow you to go back and redo
 some steps, but then fails miserably and mysteriously
 [...]
 ...it does allow you to go back in a sort of way - but then fails many
 times to continue normally.
 

 I don't deny that fact that this observation is possible, but I
 never found such a behaviour. Could you provide an example how
 to create a situation where sysinstall fails as you mentioned it?
 (It's a completely honest question.)
   
An example: pressing cancel on any dialog will almost certainly get you
somewhere where you cannot continue or restart successfully. The label
editor will not allow me to create any partitions other than the
standard ones, as it keeps asking for mount points. You can select Exit
this menu (returning to previous one) (I think cancel too) in the
distributions list without making any selection at all, and it still
goes on and install (what?).  Pressing CTRL+C at most parts of
sysinstall will give you a menu to abort or restart the installation
program. On restart, most of the times it will fail creating (slices or
partitions) or formating filesystems. These are just a few problems I
remember now. Granted, if you do always follow the same ritual (as I do
mostly) it works and I can simply ignore it, but others hate it...
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Re: freebsd-update on FreeBSD 6.x

2009-04-23 Thread Andy Smith

Quoting Manolis Kiagias son...@otenet.gr:



A quick visit to http://update.freebsd.org does not show this directory
- although this maybe intentional. I suggest you try the server change
and if you connect but still fail to get the key, then go on and hack
the script. I don't have a 6.1 machine around, but freebsd-update is
just a sh script and you should be able to find what's going on.  There
is nothing hardcoded in it, at least in the version distributed with
7.x. In fact I would try running the 7.x version on this system.



Hi Manolis,

  thanks for the reply! I have simply copied over the freebsd-update  
script from a 7.0 machine and it seems to work fine just as on the 7.0  
machine. I have run a fetch without making any changes to the conf  
file, I haven't applied the updates as yet as its a production server  
and I'll need to schedule down time and work out a fall back plan if  
anything goes bad when doing an install.

Thanks again!

Andy.


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Re: Modern FreeBSD Installer?

2009-04-23 Thread Michael David Crawford
The partitioner will allow you to create more partitions than the 
FreeBSD partition table will allow.  Rather than giving it the name of a 
special file in the /dev/directory, it will name it just X.  You can 
create as many partitions named X as you like.


Then the newfs will fail.

I experienced this the other day, and have been meaning to file a bug 
report about it.


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Re: Modern FreeBSD Installer?

2009-04-23 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:


 Let me state this: correct screen detection is already a problem
 with the big X, how should a small installer get this right
 with its limited resources? Mind this: The installer runs in a
 very limited setting, while X can rely on an already running
 system.



Yesterday I was installing a CentOS 5.3  Linux distribution in GUI mode .

It detected monitor maximum size correctly ( 1920 x 1440 ) ,
but set the monitor mode to 1600 x 1200 while display was in 1920 x 1440
without screen border sliders .  Click area for Back and Next was the bottom
right corner of the
screen which they were not visible .

I wondered what will be result of install . By changing zoom values of
monitor
( Installer was assuming that screen settings are conforming to each other )

I could manage to squeeze 1920 x 1440 screen size into 1600 x 1200 screen
size
( setting of factory defaults of monitor did not help )  .

Arrangement of monitor settings took longer than installation itself .

Ideas that GUI is NOT better than text based installs is VALID .


Thank you very much .


Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
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Re: how to deceive programs as if I were a local user?

2009-04-23 Thread Ruben de Groot
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 04:32:29PM +0900, Kouichiro Iwao typed:
 Hi.
 
 I'm going to connect to the remote server with nxclient.
 But, net/linux-nx-client does't work with non-local (NIS or LDAP) account.
 
 Connecting the remote server, nxclient says connection error and
 I found out that it caused by nxssh.
 
 If nxssh was executed by a NIS account, nxssh says,
 [m...@trueno ~]$ nxssh
 You don't exist, go away!
 
 How to deceive programs as if I were a user in /etc/master.passwd?

I don't know anything of nxssh, but it sounds like a pam issue.

Ruben
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Re: 7.0-STABLE qemu not terminating

2009-04-23 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Tuesday, March 24, 2009 a las 07:24:26PM +0100, Juergen Lock escribió:

 While I don't remeber seeing reports about this particular issue, it is
 still very well possible that it has been fixed in the meantime, so I'd
 advise you to update.  (the port is at 0.10.1 now, which contains quite
 a few bugfixes and improvements...  Don't forget to read UPDATING and
 the pkg-message of the port tho.)
 ...

I've port updated to:
kqemu-kmod-devel-1.4.0.p1_2 Kernel Accelerator for QEMU CPU Emulator 
(development versi
qemu-0.10.2 QEMU CPU Emulator

and the problem went away;

a new effect is that the qemu proc ends on termination of guest OS; the
flag -no-shutdown does not help;

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BurnCd--Kernel Panic

2009-04-23 Thread David M. Patronis
I'm using an Intel DG33BU board with a SATA HD and SATA optical drives. 
Using FreeBSD 7.1 AMD64 I get a kernel panic and subsequent file system 
corruption when attempting to burn a cd using the burncd utility. I can 
avoid this easily enough by using cdrecord and growisofs which work as 
they should. I wanted to alert others using the same or similar boards.


If anyone has any ideas, I'd  like to know why this happens. Is there a 
planned update to the burncd software or how it addresses the system 
that might remedy this in future releases?


--David
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MySQL without Innodb

2009-04-23 Thread Mark
Hello,

 

I'm trying to compile MySQL 5.1.34, but I can't find options to not compile

in innodb database support. Have these been removed? And, if so, why?

 

Thanks,

 

- Mark

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Re: MySQL without Innodb

2009-04-23 Thread Odhiambo ワシントン
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Mark asar...@xs4all.nl wrote:

 Hello,



 I'm trying to compile MySQL 5.1.34, but I can't find options to not compile

 in innodb database support. Have these been removed? And, if so, why?



Why does it bother you? It will be built but if your tables are MyISAM type,
the InnoDB code will be dormant anyway.


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Re: Freebsd Built-in vacation program does not auto reply

2009-04-23 Thread lyd mc
hi derek,

It is by the way mydomain.com, sorry.

I also tried no period on user account...

kly...@mydomain.com


...still it does not auto reply.


thanks,

alydiomc


--- On Tue, 4/21/09, Derek Ragona de...@computinginnovations.com wrote:
From: Derek Ragona de...@computinginnovations.com
Subject: Re: Freebsd Built-in vacation program does not auto reply
To: alydi...@yahoo.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 7:40 PM


 
At 08:16 PM 4/19/2009, lyd mc wrote:


Hi derek,


Correction on step 4, it should be:


\alydio.mc, |/usr/bin/vacation alydio.mc


thanks,


alyd




--- On Mon, 4/20/09, lyd mc alydi...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: lyd mc alydi...@yahoo.com

Subject: Re: Freebsd Built-in vacation program does not auto reply

To: Derek Ragona de...@computinginnovations.com

Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org

Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 9:07 AM


hi derek,


It is not also working on my sendmail.


May be I overlooked some steps?


step 1. login to user 

# su alydio.mc


step 2. initialize vacation db 

$ vacation -i


step 3. create .vacation.msg 


 From: alydio...@mydomain.com

 Subject: I am on vacation

 Delivered-By-The-Graces-Of: The Vacation program

 Precedence: bulk


 I am on vacation until...


step 4. create .forward


\klyren, |/usr/bin/vacation klyren




sendmail log


Apr 20 08:21:08 MAIL sm-mta[18102]: n3K0L2Jl018092:
to=|/usr/bin/vacation alydio.mc,
ctladdr=alydio...@mydomain (1001/0), delay=00:00:05,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=62458, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent


...nothing follows...


thanks

alydiomc

In the log entry above, I see:

ctladdr=alydio...@mydomain  

I suspect this is NOT a deliverable address but that depends on how you
have mydomain resolving.


Also you might want to try using a user account without a period
in the name.  The period may be causing a silent parsing problem for
sendmail and vacation.


  -Derek





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Derek Ragona

 de...@computinginnovations.com wrote:

From: Derek Ragona de...@computinginnovations.com

Subject: Re: Freebsd Built-in vacation program does not auto reply

To: alydi...@yahoo.com, Odhiambo Washington
odhia...@gmail.com

Cc: Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca,
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org

Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 9:51 PM




 

At 07:27 AM 4/17/2009, lyd mc wrote:


Thanks Odhiambo for your

time.




Actually i have a working vacation program  from freebsd ports

(/usr/ports/mail/vacation).




I only wondering why the freebsd base vacation behave
differently





I still want freebsd base vacation... the one from ports is obsolete
(as

per its maintainer website) and sometime i need to edit its makefile
for

it to compile




Thanks again.










I think the base system vacation is the one that is part of

sendmail.  So using it with postfix as the MTA may be the

issue.  I have use the base vacation version flawlessly with

sendmail.




  -Derek
















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From: Odhiambo Washington odhia...@gmail.com


Subject: Re: Freebsd Built-in vacation program does not auto
reply


To: alydi...@yahoo.com


Cc: Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca,

freebsd-questions@freebsd.org


Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 8:10 PM








On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:47 PM, lyd mc alydi...@yahoo.com

wrote:







hi,




I don't know how to run it in debug mode




I already try this one.




#/usr/bin/vacation -d alydio.mc




but nothing happened... no logs in /var/log/message and
/var/log/maillog

pertaining to vacation.







Okay. I think you need to look again at your MTA logs. Not being an

expert with Postfix, I am not sure I can help with it anyway.







-- 


Best regards,




Odhiambo WASHINGTON,


Nairobi,KE


+254733744121/+254722743223


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influence on society.


 


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MySQL without Innodb

2009-04-23 Thread Mark
Hello,

 

I'm trying to compile MySQL 5.1.34, but I can't find options to not compile

in innodb database support. Have these been removed? And, if so, why?

 

Thanks,

 

- Mark

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Re: MySQL without Innodb

2009-04-23 Thread Matt
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Mark ad...@asarian-host.net wrote:
 Hello,

 I'm trying to compile MySQL 5.1.34, but I can't find options to not compile

 in innodb database support. Have these been removed? And, if so, why?

Can't comment on if/why the options were removed, but adding
skip-innodb to your my.cnf file will turn off the innodb engine at
runtime and reduce the memory consumption of the MySQL server
processes.

Matt
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RE: MySQL without Innodb

2009-04-23 Thread Mark
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Mark wrote:

 Hello,



  I'm trying to compile MySQL 5.1.34, but I can't find options to not
 compile in innodb database support. Have these been removed?
 And, if so, why?

 Why does it bother you? It will be built but if your tables are MyISAM type,
 the InnoDB code will be dormant anyway.

I'm getting a weird compilation error (see below); hence, I figured I skip
as much engines as possible during the compilation process. Done
with gcc 2.95.4, btw.

- Mark


-RETRY_COUNT=100 -DUSE_PRAGMA_IMPLEMENTATION -o mysqld sql_lex.o
sql_handler.o sql_partition.o item.o item_sum.o item_buff.o item_func.o
item_cmpfunc.o item_strfunc.o item_timefunc.o thr_malloc.o item_create.o
item_subselect.o item_row.o item_geofunc.o item_xmlfunc.o field.o
strfunc.o key.o sql_class.o sql_list.o net_serv.o protocol.o sql_state.o
lock.o my_lock.o sql_string.o sql_manager.o sql_map.o mysqld.o password.o
hash_filo.o hostname.o sql_connect.o scheduler.o sql_parse.o set_var.o
sql_yacc.o sql_base.o table.o sql_select.o sql_insert.o sql_profile.o
sql_prepare.o sql_error.o sql_locale.o sql_update.o sql_delete.o uniques.o
sql_do.o procedure.o sql_test.o log.o init.o derror.o sql_acl.o unireg.o
des_key_file.o log_event.o rpl_record.o log_event_old.o rpl_record_old.o
discover.o time.o opt_range.o opt_sum.o records.o filesort.o handler.o
ha_partition.o sql_db.o sql_table.o sql_rename.o sql_crypt.o sql_load.o
mf_iocache.o field_conv.o sql_show.o sql_udf.o sql_analyse.o sql_cache.o
slave.o sql_repl.o rpl_filter.o rpl_tblmap.o rpl_utility.o rpl_injector.o
rpl_rli.o rpl_mi.o rpl_reporting.o sql_union.o sql_derived.o sql_client.o
repl_failsafe.o sql_olap.o sql_view.o gstream.o spatial.o sql_help.o
sql_cursor.o tztime.o my_decimal.o sp_head.o sp_pcontext.o sp_rcontext.o
sp.o sp_cache.o parse_file.o sql_trigger.o event_scheduler.o
event_data_objects.o event_queue.o event_db_repository.o events.o
sql_plugin.o sql_binlog.o sql_builtin.o sql_tablespace.o partition_info.o
sql_servers.o event_parse_data.o mini_client_errors.o pack.o client.o
my_time.o my_user.o -pthread -pthread -Wl,--export-dynamic 
../.libs/libndb.a -pthread -pthread -pthread -pthread
.../storage/archive/libarchive.a ../storage/blackhole/libblackhole.a
.../storage/csv/libcsv.a ../storage/federated/libfederated.a
.../storage/heap/libheap.a ../storage/innobase/libinnobase.a
.../storage/myisam/libmyisam.a ../storage/myisammrg/libmyisammrg.a
.../vio/libvio.a ../mysys/libmysys.a ../dbug/libdbug.a .../regex/libregex.a
.../strings/libmystrings.a ../zlib/.libs/libzlt.a -lwrap -pthread -pthread
-lcrypt -lm -pthread -pthread
sql_insert.o(.gnu.linkonce.d._vt$Q313select_result61prepare__13select_crea
teRt4List1Z4ItemP18st_select_lex_unit.0_8MY_HOOKS+0xc): undefined
reference to
`_$_Q313select_result61prepare__13select_createRt4List1Z4ItemP18st_select_
lex_unit.0_8MY_HOOKS.11298'
sql_insert.o(.gnu.linkonce.d._vt$Q313select_result61prepare__13select_crea
teRt4List1Z4ItemP18st_select_lex_unit.0_8MY_HOOKS+0x1c): undefined
reference to
`do_postlock__Q313select_result61prepare__13select_createRt4List1Z4ItemP18
st_select_lex_unit.0_8MY_HOOKSPP8st_tableUi.11297'
gmake[3]: *** [mysqld] Error 1
gmake[3]: Leaving directory
`/usr/ports/databases/mysql51-server/work/mysql-5.1.34/sql'
gmake[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
gmake[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/ports/databases/mysql51-server/work/mysql-5.1.34/sql'
gmake[1]: *** [all] Error 2
gmake[1]: Leaving directory
`/usr/ports/databases/mysql51-server/work/mysql-5.1.34/sql'
gmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
*** Error code1

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Re: MySQL without Innodb

2009-04-23 Thread Chuck Swiger

On Apr 23, 2009, at 7:08 AM, Mark wrote:
I'm getting a weird compilation error (see below); hence, I figured  
I skip

as much engines as possible during the compilation process. Done
with gcc 2.95.4, btw.


Really...why such an old compiler version?  I think that even  
FreeBSD-5.0 shipped with gcc-3.2.1; 6.4/6-STABLE is using gcc-3.4.6,  
and 7 is using gcc-4.2.1...


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Re: PAM-SSH-LDAP problem

2009-04-23 Thread Panos

Anyone?


O/H Panos έγραψε:

I think I found what is the problem but I don't kow how to fix it.
from the error messages err=49 means that the password is wrong.
I'm sure that I type it correctly.
So I captured traffic using whireshark

when the manager tires toy bind everything is normal and the bind is 
succeful. In the field authentication simple of the packet the 
password was the correct
but when ldap_test tries to bind the password that it send to ldap 
server is INCORECT (   08 0a 0d 7f 49 4e 43 4f 52 52 45 43 54   
the hex field), so ldap server returns invalid credentials.


I think that this is the problem but I don't have a clue how to solve it.
I can't understand why it sends an incorect password, and most 
important which of ssh, pam, pam_ldap has the problem.


Any ideas?


O/H Panos έγραψε:

O/H Emiel van de Laar έγραψε:


On Apr 17, 2009, at 11:04 PM, Panos wrote:


hello I'm trying to setup an ldap for authenticating users.
I think that the ldap server is ok
but ssh gives me an error PAM authntication error illigal user XXX 
from XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX

I think that something is wrong when pam-ldap is quering tο ldap.
Fisrt I thounght that was acl problem so I tried something like 
this access * by * write

full access to alla but nothing.
When I'm using phpldadmin to connet to ldap I have no problem,


[snip]

Apr 18 00:01:05 FreeBSD slapd[1336]: conn=0 fd=11 ACCEPT from 
IP=127.0.0.1:51667 (IP=0.0.0.0:389)
Apr 18 00:01:05 FreeBSD slapd[1336]: conn=0 op=0 BIND 
dn=cn=manager,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something method=128
Apr 18 00:01:05 FreeBSD slapd[1336]: conn=0 op=0 BIND 
dn=cn=manager,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something mech=SIMPLE 
ssf=0
Apr 18 00:01:05 FreeBSD slapd[1336]: conn=0 op=0 RESULT tag=97 
err=0 text=
Apr 18 00:01:05 FreeBSD slapd[1336]: conn=0 op=1 SRCH 
base=ou=users,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something scope=2 
deref=0 filter=((?objectClass=possixAccount)(uid=ldap_test))
Apr 18 00:01:05 FreeBSD slapd[1336]: conn=0 op=1 SEARCH RESULT 
tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text=value does not conform to assertion 
syntax
Apr 18 00:01:05 FreeBSD slapd[1336]: conn=0 fd=11 closed 
(connection lost)


I suggest you have a look at the LDAP filter.

The log above shows:

((?objectClass=possixAccount)(uid=ldap_test))

While I expect something like:

((objectClass=possixAccount)(uid=ldap_test))

i.e. remove the '?'.

Regards,

 - Emiel


I know, I found strange this filter but in my ldpa.conf this is the 
filter line.

pam_filter objectclass=possixAccount
So no ? should be in the filter
i tried without
pam_filter objectclass=possixAccount
and the only difference in the logs is instead of
((?objectClass=possixAccount)(uid=ldap_test))
I  get (uid=ldap_test) but still I can't log in.
then I tried with filter shadowAccount
and here is the output
It says that is not indexed why?

Apr 18 07:54:13 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=7 fd=11 ACCEPT from 
IP=127.0.0.1:49379 (IP=0.0.0.0:389)
Apr 18 07:54:13 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=7 op=0 BIND 
dn=cn=manager,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something method=128
Apr 18 07:54:13 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=7 op=0 BIND 
dn=cn=manager,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something mech=SIMPLE ssf=0
Apr 18 07:54:13 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=7 op=0 RESULT tag=97 err=0 
text=
Apr 18 07:54:13 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=7 op=1 SRCH 
base=ou=users,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something scope=2 
deref=0 filter=((objectClass=shadowAccount)(uid=ldap_test))
Apr 18 07:54:13 FreeBSD slapd[593]: = bdb_equality_candidates: (uid) 
not indexed
Apr 18 07:54:13 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=7 op=1 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 
err=0 nentries=1 text=
Apr 18 07:54:13 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=7 op=2 BIND anonymous 
mech=implicit ssf=0
Apr 18 07:54:13 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=7 op=2 BIND 
dn=cn=ldap_test,ou=users,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something 
method=128
Apr 18 07:54:13 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=7 op=2 RESULT tag=97 err=49 
text=
Apr 18 07:54:13 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=7 op=3 BIND 
dn=cn=manager,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something method=128
Apr 18 07:54:13 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=7 op=3 BIND 
dn=cn=manager,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something mech=SIMPLE ssf=0
Apr 18 07:54:13 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=7 op=3 RESULT tag=97 err=0 
text=
Apr 18 07:54:13 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=7 fd=11 closed (connection 
lost)


then I tried with this filter

pam_filter objectclass=*
again the same error

Apr 18 08:07:28 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=13 fd=11 ACCEPT from 
IP=127.0.0.1:58165 (IP=0.0.0.0:389)
Apr 18 08:07:28 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=13 op=0 BIND 
dn=cn=manager,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something method=128
Apr 18 08:07:28 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=13 op=0 BIND 
dn=cn=manager,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something mech=SIMPLE ssf=0
Apr 18 08:07:28 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=13 op=0 RESULT tag=97 err=0 
text=
Apr 18 08:07:28 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=13 op=1 SRCH 
base=ou=users,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something scope=2 
deref=0 filter=((objectClass=*)(uid=ldap_test))
Apr 18 08:07:28 FreeBSD 

Re: PAM-SSH-LDAP problem

2009-04-23 Thread Philip Kizer

You had said:

O/H Panos έγραψε:

the strange thing is that the ldapsearch command gives me this:
ldapsearch -x -b 'ou=users,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something'  
'((objectClass=*)(uid=ldap_test))'


# extended LDIF
#
# LDAPv3
# base ou=users,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something with scope  
subtree

# filter: ((objectClass=*)(uid=ldap_test))
# requesting: ALL

dn: cn=ldap_test,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something
cn: ldap_test
[...]



gecos: ldap_test
homeDirectory: /home/ldap/ldap_test
loginShell: /bin/sh
[...]



uidNumber: 1003
uid: ldap_test
gidNumber: 1000
userPassword:: XX


And then later:

O/H Panos έγραψε:

I think I found what is the problem but I don't kow how to fix it.
from the error messages err=49 means that the password is wrong.
I'm sure that I type it correctly.
So I captured traffic using whireshark

when the manager tires toy bind everything is normal and the bind is  
succeful. In the field authentication simple of the packet the  
password was the correct
but when ldap_test tries to bind the password that it send to ldap  
server is INCORECT (   08 0a 0d 7f 49 4e 43 4f 52 52 45 43 54
the hex field), so ldap server returns invalid credentials.


I think that this is the problem but I don't have a clue how to  
solve it.
I can't understand why it sends an incorect password, and most  
important which of ssh, pam, pam_ldap has the problem.


Any ideas?


On 2009, Apr 23, at 09:54, Panos wrote:

Anyone?



With the later message where you say you found a message that the  
bind attempt resulted in the password reported as INCORRECT, I do  
not see you describe how you initiated the BIND attempt, only that you  
captured it with wireshark.


When you login as cn=manager,[...] that you say works, is that via  
ssh, or your admin tool you mentioned in a previous message, or more  
directly using something like ldapsearch(1)?



I highly recommend you test things from the ground-up to try and find  
at which level the failure is occurring:


	network (already covered, you know you can talk to the LDAP server  
from the client you are testing)


	LDAP: Try performing the LDAP searches manually using  
ldapsearch(1), more on that below


Account: getent passwd ldap_test

SSH: If those work, try more logging in the PAM or SSH layers


For doing the direct LDAP test, you've already checked that the entry  
is in your database:


	ldapsearch -x -b 'ou=users,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something'  
'((objectClass=*)(uid=ldap_test))'


next, make sure you can actually bind as that user:

	% ldapsearch -x -b 'ou=users,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something' - 
D 'cn=ldap_test,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something' -W  
'((objectClass=*)(uid=ldap_test))'

Enter LDAP Password: x
[...]

If that fails, bump up the logging on either the client and/or server  
side of the LDAP server and see what clues you get from those logs.   
If it works, move on to the next layer and see if it can properly  
access the information you could get manually.



-philip

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openwebmail undefined subroutine

2009-04-23 Thread Noah

Hi there,

any clues why this is happening?
I have Compress::Zlib installs.

Undefined subroutine Compress::Zlib::memGzip called at 
/usr/local/www/cgi-bin/openwebmail/shares/ow-shared.pl line 1212.


Cheers,
Noah

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filesystem compatibility

2009-04-23 Thread Chuck Robey
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Are there any filesystems which FreeBSD has which offer compatibility to
OpenBSD?  I want to add a OpenBSD partition to my long-existing FreeBSD disk,
make it OpenBSD, but I want to be able to transfer data between FreeBSD 
OpenBSD.  Any filesystem which could do that?  Or, maybe looking at it from the
other way, can OpenBSD read any of our FreeBSD filesystems?  I want to move data
between these two, if at all possible, and they're on the same machine, so nfs
isn't a possibility here.
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Re: filesystem compatibility

2009-04-23 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:54:41 -0400, Chuck Robey chu...@telenix.org wrote:
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 Are there any filesystems which FreeBSD has which offer compatibility to
 OpenBSD?  I want to add a OpenBSD partition to my long-existing FreeBSD disk,
 make it OpenBSD, but I want to be able to transfer data between FreeBSD 
 OpenBSD.  Any filesystem which could do that? 

From my experiences, the tar filesystem is the best one to
do this. You can transfer the tar archives (and add compression
if needed) between different operating systems using FTP or
any Internet means as well as via optical media, even the
use of floppy disks (if you still know them) is possible.

On one end:

% tar cvf bla.tar your stuff here

On the other end:

% tar xvf bla.tar



 Or, maybe looking at it from the
 other way, can OpenBSD read any of our FreeBSD filesystems?  I want to move 
 data
 between these two, if at all possible, and they're on the same machine, so nfs
 isn't a possibility here.

FreeBSD and OpenBSD use FFS / UFS file systems. Have you already
tried mounting FreeBSD partitions with OpenBSD or vice versa?

Of course, it's possible to transfer data via FTP, rsync or
scp between machines.

But because you asked about file systems, just try the mount
advice.



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Re: filesystem compatibility

2009-04-23 Thread Tim Judd
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Chuck Robey chu...@telenix.org wrote:

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 Are there any filesystems which FreeBSD has which offer compatibility to
 OpenBSD?  I want to add a OpenBSD partition to my long-existing FreeBSD
 disk,
 make it OpenBSD, but I want to be able to transfer data between FreeBSD 
 OpenBSD.  Any filesystem which could do that?  Or, maybe looking at it from
 the
 other way, can OpenBSD read any of our FreeBSD filesystems?  I want to move
 data
 between these two, if at all possible, and they're on the same machine, so
 nfs
 isn't a possibility here.


MS-DOS FAT32
Severely limited, but that is as close to as a universal filesystem as you
can get.
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Re: filesystem compatibility

2009-04-23 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:37:29 -0600, Tim Judd taj...@gmail.com wrote:
 MS-DOS FAT32

Ugh. :-)



 Severely limited, but that is as close to as a universal filesystem as you
 can get.

Among BSDs, UFS / FFS should work. To get rid of the many
limitations in the MS-DOS file system, tar is really the
best solution. (I know this from interoperability works
with many different UNIXes, such as BSDs, Solaris, IRIX
and Mac OS X - even Linux can handle it without problems.)
And it is not limited to a subset of media.

I can only say: Avoid MICROS~1 stuff if possible. Not using
it makes you happy afterwards. :-)




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mail server/webmail

2009-04-23 Thread Liontaur
Hi folks, I was searching around but i'm not quite sure what i'm looking
for. I want to have a program that gets the mail from my ISP mail server
(pop), stores the mail permanently, allows me webmail access, and also lets
me grab the mail with a mail client (Outlook Express). I'd like to be able
to sync the mail with outlook express also. Like if I send a mail over
webmail, that sent mail will also go into the sent box in outlook express,
or conversly, perhaps store all the mail on the server and have outlook
express just show the folders and contents stored on the server. But i'd
have to somehow upload all of the mail currently in my outlook express. I'll
also need some kind of spam functionality as I get a sizable amount of spam.
Currently I use K9 for spam and I quite like it.

Thanks for any help you can offer folks!

Mark
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Re: how to deceive programs as if I were a local user?

2009-04-23 Thread Chris Cowart
Ruben de Groot wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 04:32:29PM +0900, Kouichiro Iwao typed:
  Hi.
  
  I'm going to connect to the remote server with nxclient.
  But, net/linux-nx-client does't work with non-local (NIS or LDAP) account.
  
  Connecting the remote server, nxclient says connection error and
  I found out that it caused by nxssh.
  
  If nxssh was executed by a NIS account, nxssh says,
  [m...@trueno ~]$ nxssh
  You don't exist, go away!
  
  How to deceive programs as if I were a user in /etc/master.passwd?
 
 I don't know anything of nxssh, but it sounds like a pam issue.

This error means the program tried to look up some name information for
your UID number and failed. You need to configure the data source in
/etc/nsswitch.conf:

group: files cache ldap
passwd: files cache ldap

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Re: mail server/webmail

2009-04-23 Thread Frederique Rijsdijk

Liontaur wrote:

Hi folks, I was searching around but i'm not quite sure what i'm looking
for. I want to have a program that gets the mail from my ISP mail server
(pop), stores the mail permanently, allows me webmail access, and also lets
me grab the mail with a mail client (Outlook Express). I'd like to be able
to sync the mail with outlook express also. Like if I send a mail over
webmail, that sent mail will also go into the sent box in outlook express,
or conversly, perhaps store all the mail on the server and have outlook
express just show the folders and contents stored on the server. But i'd
have to somehow upload all of the mail currently in my outlook express. I'll
also need some kind of spam functionality as I get a sizable amount of spam.
Currently I use K9 for spam and I quite like it.

I guess you could start to look in the area of:

- /usr/ports/mail/fetchmail (to fetch/store the mail)
- /usr/ports/mail/dovecot (for access to the mail via imap)
- /usr/ports/mail/squirremail or roundcube (webmail w/ imap)
- /usr/ports/www/apache22 for the webmail

As you're then using IMAP, any client that connects to dovecot will get 
the same set of mailfolders (sync).



-- Frederique





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Re: mail server/webmail

2009-04-23 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:39:26 -0700, Liontaur liont...@gmail.com wrote:
 I want to have a program that gets the mail from my ISP mail server
 (pop), stores the mail permanently, 

This would be a task for fetchmail. It stores the mail
in mbox format in /var/mail/$USER, so you can chose any
mail program to incorporate them.



 allows me webmail access, and also lets
 me grab the mail with a mail client (Outlook Express).

Repeat after me: Outlook Express is NOT a mail client. :-)



 I'd like to be able
 to sync the mail with outlook express also.

Maybe you can get Redmond to give you the source code of
their... erm... stuff, so you can see how to interact
with it. :-)

I would suggest to use a standardized application, such
as M2 of Opera or Mozilla Thunderbird, or Sylpheed-Claws,
or pine, or mutt... there are many, and some of them are
even available in Windows. Because they're using standard
mbox files for the mail messages, syncing them is quite
easy, because it can automatically be done on a per-file
basis. Another advantage of sticking to standards is that
you can instruct different mail applications to use the
same mbox files for their operations, in mixed mode,
e. g. use Opera's M2 today, Thunderbird tomorrow, and
Sylpheed-Claws at the weekend.



 Like if I send a mail over
 webmail, that sent mail will also go into the sent box in outlook express,

I can't imagine how this should be possible. Call the
MICROS~1 hotline and ask them. :-)



 or conversly, perhaps store all the mail on the server and have outlook
 express just show the folders and contents stored on the server. But i'd
 have to somehow upload all of the mail currently in my outlook express. I'll
 also need some kind of spam functionality as I get a sizable amount of spam.
 Currently I use K9 for spam and I quite like it.

Under certain circumstances, it looks like a job for
an IMAP solution. Note that most of the things you've
mentioned are possible with standard UNIX mail applications,
because many stuff can be done on a per-file basis.
Regarding the part of a web interface, I'm sure there
are free webmailers that you can run on your server.
If your machine is not a server, your idea with keeping
local files and server files in sync is excellent.
There are good programs that cope with spam, such as
SpamAssassin, or simple filter rules in your preferred
mail application.


 Thanks for any help you can offer folks!

Well, I know that my comment isn't much help, but maybe
you find a starting point in it, and if it's only to
start *not* using Outlook Express, because it solves
nothing. :-)



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Re: mail server/webmail

2009-04-23 Thread Adam Vande More

Frederique Rijsdijk wrote:

Liontaur wrote:

Hi folks, I was searching around but i'm not quite sure what i'm looking
for. I want to have a program that gets the mail from my ISP mail server
(pop), stores the mail permanently, allows me webmail access, and 
also lets
me grab the mail with a mail client (Outlook Express). I'd like to be 
able

to sync the mail with outlook express also. Like if I send a mail over
webmail, that sent mail will also go into the sent box in outlook 
express,

or conversly, perhaps store all the mail on the server and have outlook
express just show the folders and contents stored on the server. But i'd
have to somehow upload all of the mail currently in my outlook 
express. I'll
also need some kind of spam functionality as I get a sizable amount 
of spam.

Currently I use K9 for spam and I quite like it.

I guess you could start to look in the area of:

- /usr/ports/mail/fetchmail (to fetch/store the mail)
- /usr/ports/mail/dovecot (for access to the mail via imap)
- /usr/ports/mail/squirremail or roundcube (webmail w/ imap)
- /usr/ports/www/apache22 for the webmail

As you're then using IMAP, any client that connects to dovecot will 
get the same set of mailfolders (sync).



-- Frederique

I've not used roundcube, but horde imp is a also an IMAP webmail client, 
and I find to be be a much better client than squirrelmail.

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Firefox3 and dependencies on firefox2,libxul,xulrunner

2009-04-23 Thread Lena
Hi,

I uninstalled firefox 2, installed firefox 3 and use it. Later,
portupgrade of librsvg2 began to build firefox 2 (I aborted it with ^C).
Then I specified

graphics/librsvg2 = WITH_GECKO=xulrunner,

in MAKE_ARGS in /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf . Now I'm trying to portupgrade
mplayer-plugin, it also tried to build firefox 2. I tried

www/mplayer-plugin = WITH_GECKO=xulrunner,

but that gave an error message (xulrunner isn't an option). So, I tried

www/mplayer-plugin = WITH_GECKO=libxul,

then:

 ===  libxul-1.9.0.7_3 conflicts with installed package(s):
   xulrunner-1.8.0.4_15

   They install files into the same place.
   Please remove them first with pkg_delete(1).

What to do - to allow firefox2 to be installed along with firefox3?
Will they conflict?

Is Gecko a really necessary dependence of librsvg2 and mplayer-plugin
if they are invoked only from firefox3?  For what?

7.1-PRERELEASE (Oct 20) i386, linux_base-f8-8_11.

Thanks.
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Re: mail server/webmail

2009-04-23 Thread Jon Radel

Polytropon wrote:

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:39:26 -0700, Liontaur liont...@gmail.com wrote:



I'd like to be able
to sync the mail with outlook express also.


Maybe you can get Redmond to give you the source code of
their... erm... stuff, so you can see how to interact
with it. :-)


At least one person here, and it may well be me, is somewhat confused.

Outlook  Outlook Express

Not even close.  And while I personally would not pick Outlook Express 
as a POP/IMAP client, it is pretty standards based.  Outlook talking to 
an Exchange server is an entirely different matter.


At least that was the lay of the land the last time I was forced to pay 
close attention to Microsoft e-mail clients.


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Re: mail server/webmail

2009-04-23 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:49:01 -0400, Jon Radel j...@radel.com wrote:
 At least one person here, and it may well be me, is somewhat confused.
 
 Outlook  Outlook Express

Maybe. The original question included no reference to Outlook
but Outlook Express. Forgive me my lack of knowledge, but I've
never used one of these products (as I have not used any product
by MICROS~1).



 Not even close. 

I've been told so.



 And while I personally would not pick Outlook Express 
 as a POP/IMAP client, it is pretty standards based.  Outlook talking to 
 an Exchange server is an entirely different matter.

It wasn't clear what solution the poster initially expected,
but more and more I think IMAP would be the way to go. So
there's not much responsibility on the MICROS~1 side (which
is good). An IMAP system is quite easily set up with FreeBSD,
and there have already been good advices which programs to
employ for this purpose. The client on the user's site doesn't
matter much, as long as it does the IMAP communications.



 At least that was the lay of the land the last time I was forced to pay 
 close attention to Microsoft e-mail clients.

As I said, I never payed any attention to them, because I
don't consider them mail clients, but a bad excuse for not
being one. :-)



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Re: mail server/webmail

2009-04-23 Thread Julien Cigar
On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 13:30 -0500, Adam Vande More wrote:
 Frederique Rijsdijk wrote:
  Liontaur wrote:
  Hi folks, I was searching around but i'm not quite sure what i'm looking
  for. I want to have a program that gets the mail from my ISP mail server
  (pop), stores the mail permanently, allows me webmail access, and 
  also lets
  me grab the mail with a mail client (Outlook Express). I'd like to be 
  able
  to sync the mail with outlook express also. Like if I send a mail over
  webmail, that sent mail will also go into the sent box in outlook 
  express,
  or conversly, perhaps store all the mail on the server and have outlook
  express just show the folders and contents stored on the server. But i'd
  have to somehow upload all of the mail currently in my outlook 
  express. I'll
  also need some kind of spam functionality as I get a sizable amount 
  of spam.
  Currently I use K9 for spam and I quite like it.
  I guess you could start to look in the area of:
 
  - /usr/ports/mail/fetchmail (to fetch/store the mail)
  - /usr/ports/mail/dovecot (for access to the mail via imap)
  - /usr/ports/mail/squirremail or roundcube (webmail w/ imap)
  - /usr/ports/www/apache22 for the webmail
 
  As you're then using IMAP, any client that connects to dovecot will 
  get the same set of mailfolders (sync).
 
 
  -- Frederique
 
 I've not used roundcube, but horde imp is a also an IMAP webmail client, 
 and I find to be be a much better client than squirrelmail.
 _

Take a look at Hastymail too .. (version 2, because the port is still
version 1)
http://www.hastymail.org/

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Re: Firefox3 and dependencies on firefox2,libxul,xulrunner

2009-04-23 Thread Jonathan Chen
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 09:01:57PM +0300, l...@lena.kiev.ua wrote:
[...]
 Is Gecko a really necessary dependence of librsvg2 and mplayer-plugin
 if they are invoked only from firefox3?  For what?
 
 7.1-PRERELEASE (Oct 20) i386, linux_base-f8-8_11.

You need to replace your xulrunner references in pkgtools.conf with
libxul. Then, you can:

portupgrade -f -r -o www/libxul xulrunner

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Spam from your domain

2009-04-23 Thread Roberto
Hello. I'm receiving a lot of spam e-mails that links to your domain like to
different pages like:
http://11.a21a15.free-bsd.org/6f8n1jb6n97.html
and many others. Can you stop this ? They sends mail to me
through my website.
Please answer me.

Thanks,
Roberto.
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Re: Spam from your domain

2009-04-23 Thread Glen Barber
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Roberto jackal...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello. I'm receiving a lot of spam e-mails that links to your domain like to
 different pages like:
 http://11.a21a15.free-bsd.org/6f8n1jb6n97.html
 and many others. Can you stop this ? They sends mail to me
 through my website.
 Please answer me.


That is not the FreeBSD website.  The Official domain is 'freebsd.org'
not 'free-bsd.org'.

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Re: Spam from your domain

2009-04-23 Thread Bill Moran
In response to Roberto jackal...@gmail.com:

 Hello. I'm receiving a lot of spam e-mails that links to your domain like to
 different pages like:
 http://11.a21a15.free-bsd.org/6f8n1jb6n97.html
 and many others. Can you stop this ? They sends mail to me
 through my website.

Thanks for your email, Roberto.

free-bsd.org is not the same as freebsd.org.  You're talking to the
wrong people.

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Re: filesystem compatibility

2009-04-23 Thread Tim Judd
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:

 On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:37:29 -0600, Tim Judd taj...@gmail.com wrote:
  MS-DOS FAT32

 Ugh. :-)



  Severely limited, but that is as close to as a universal filesystem as
 you
  can get.

 Among BSDs, UFS / FFS should work. To get rid of the many
 limitations in the MS-DOS file system, tar is really the
 best solution. (I know this from interoperability works
 with many different UNIXes, such as BSDs, Solaris, IRIX
 and Mac OS X - even Linux can handle it without problems.)
 And it is not limited to a subset of media.

 I can only say: Avoid MICROS~1 stuff if possible. Not using
 it makes you happy afterwards. :-)



Speaking of...

Recently I'm seeing a new filesystem, exFAT (apparently to work with
excessively large filesystems).

Is exFAT compatible with the msdosfs filesystem in BSD?
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Re: 7.0-STABLE qemu not terminating

2009-04-23 Thread Juergen Lock
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:43:56AM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote:
 El día Tuesday, March 24, 2009 a las 07:24:26PM +0100, Juergen Lock escribió:
 
  While I don't remeber seeing reports about this particular issue, it is
  still very well possible that it has been fixed in the meantime, so I'd
  advise you to update.  (the port is at 0.10.1 now, which contains quite
  a few bugfixes and improvements...  Don't forget to read UPDATING and
  the pkg-message of the port tho.)
  ...
 
 I've port updated to:
 kqemu-kmod-devel-1.4.0.p1_2 Kernel Accelerator for QEMU CPU Emulator 
 (development versi
 qemu-0.10.2 QEMU CPU Emulator
 
 and the problem went away;
 
That's good to hear. :)

 a new effect is that the qemu proc ends on termination of guest OS; the
 flag -no-shutdown does not help;

 Oh, yeah, same here.  I've just reported this on the qemu list, and btw
kvm seems to be affected too:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kvm/+bug/362550/+viewstatus

 HTH,
Juergen
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Re: Modern FreeBSD Installer?

2009-04-23 Thread cpghost
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:50:46AM -0700, Michael David Crawford wrote:
 The partitioner will allow you to create more partitions than the 
 FreeBSD partition table will allow.  Rather than giving it the name of a 
 special file in the /dev/directory, it will name it just X.  You can 
 create as many partitions named X as you like.
 
 Then the newfs will fail.
 
 I experienced this the other day, and have been meaning to file a bug 
 report about it.

Yes, this is a long standing problem. On one or both of {Open,Net}BSD,
the number of possible partitions per slice is higher. I'd really wish
FreeBSD's bsdlabel(8) would allow for more partitions. The problem
here is not with sysinstall though. From bsdlabel(8):

 The partition table can have up to 8 entries.  It contains the following
 information:

 #   The partition identifier is a single letter in the range `a' to
 `h'.  By convention, partition `c' is reserved to describe the
 entire disk.

Take away 'b' for swap, and 'c' for the whole disk, you can only
use 6 partitions per slice (including the root partition) on the
bootable slice. That's clearly not enough, esp. on big disks, and
with complex setups. :-(

 Mike
 -- 
 Michael David Crawford
 m...@prgmr.com

-cpghost.

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Re: mail server/webmail

2009-04-23 Thread Jason Garrett
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 13:49, Jon Radel j...@radel.com wrote:

 Polytropon wrote:

 On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:39:26 -0700, Liontaur liont...@gmail.com wrote:


  I'd like to be able
 to sync the mail with outlook express also.


 Maybe you can get Redmond to give you the source code of
 their... erm... stuff, so you can see how to interact
 with it. :-)


 At least one person here, and it may well be me, is somewhat confused.

 Outlook  Outlook Express

 Not even close.  And while I personally would not pick Outlook Express as a
 POP/IMAP client, it is pretty standards based.


I would not say that O.E. is standards based at all. MICROS~1 does what they
want, standards be damned


  Outlook talking to an Exchange server is an entirely different matter.

 At least that was the lay of the land the last time I was forced to pay
 close attention to Microsoft e-mail clients.

 --

 --Jon Radel
 j...@radel.com

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Format of history output Sometimes is very Different.

2009-04-23 Thread Martin McCormick
the normal output of the history command resembles:

1  env
2  ssh system1.somedomain.com
3  scan cur

etc.

On occasion, I have seen a history output that shows the
list of commands plus the time they were executed. I am not sure
exactly how I got that output as I couldn't duplicate it on
demand. Any ideas on what I did to get that alternative output?
Thank you.

Martin McCormick
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Re: mail server/webmail

2009-04-23 Thread Liontaur
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:

 On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:39:26 -0700, Liontaur liont...@gmail.com wrote:
  I want to have a program that gets the mail from my ISP mail server
  (pop), stores the mail permanently,

 This would be a task for fetchmail. It stores the mail
 in mbox format in /var/mail/$USER, so you can chose any
 mail program to incorporate them.


fetchmail, gotcha. I'll look into that.




  allows me webmail access, and also lets
  me grab the mail with a mail client (Outlook Express).

 Repeat after me: Outlook Express is NOT a mail client. :-)


The Outlook Express deal is not for me, that's for another person who needs
access to this email account and they happen to be very computer illiterate
and being as they're used to OE, i'm not going to bother trying to teach
them something new. As for me, I plan on just using webmail to access this
email account.


  or conversly, perhaps store all the mail on the server and have outlook
  express just show the folders and contents stored on the server. But i'd
  have to somehow upload all of the mail currently in my outlook express.
 I'll
  also need some kind of spam functionality as I get a sizable amount of
 spam.
  Currently I use K9 for spam and I quite like it.

 Under certain circumstances, it looks like a job for
 an IMAP solution. Note that most of the things you've
 mentioned are possible with standard UNIX mail applications,
 because many stuff can be done on a per-file basis.
 Regarding the part of a web interface, I'm sure there
 are free webmailers that you can run on your server.
 If your machine is not a server, your idea with keeping
 local files and server files in sync is excellent.
 There are good programs that cope with spam, such as
 SpamAssassin, or simple filter rules in your preferred
 mail application.


IMAP, gotcha. And yea, the idea is to run this stuff on a FreeBSD server
i've got running just for little tasks like this, then the windows
workstation can access it with a not-a-real email client and I can access it
from wherever from my laptop too.



  Thanks for any help you can offer folks!

 Well, I know that my comment isn't much help, but maybe
 you find a starting point in it, and if it's only to
 start *not* using Outlook Express, because it solves
 nothing. :-)


Oh your comments are helpful, I don't care what everyone else says ;)
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Re: mail server/webmail

2009-04-23 Thread Steve Bertrand
Frederique Rijsdijk wrote:
 Liontaur wrote:
 Hi folks, I was searching around but i'm not quite sure what i'm looking
 for. I want to have a program that gets the mail from my ISP mail server
 (pop), stores the mail permanently, allows me webmail access, and also
 lets
 me grab the mail with a mail client (Outlook Express). I'd like to be
 able
 to sync the mail with outlook express also. Like if I send a mail over
 webmail, that sent mail will also go into the sent box in outlook
 express,
 or conversly, perhaps store all the mail on the server and have outlook
 express just show the folders and contents stored on the server. But i'd
 have to somehow upload all of the mail currently in my outlook
 express. I'll
 also need some kind of spam functionality as I get a sizable amount of
 spam.
 Currently I use K9 for spam and I quite like it.
 I guess you could start to look in the area of:
 
 - /usr/ports/mail/fetchmail (to fetch/store the mail)
 - /usr/ports/mail/dovecot (for access to the mail via imap)
 - /usr/ports/mail/squirremail or roundcube (webmail w/ imap)
 - /usr/ports/www/apache22 for the webmail
 
 As you're then using IMAP, any client that connects to dovecot will get
 the same set of mailfolders (sync).

If one is going that far, I'd recommend:

http://www.thenetworkpeople.biz/internet/mail/toaster/

I've been using them for many years, for thousands of accounts across
hundreds of domains, and it just works.

Steve
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Re: FreeBSD and Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG

2009-04-23 Thread Fernando Apesteguía
2009/4/23 Daniel Underwood djuatde...@gmail.com:
 [SOLVED]

 Thanks for the help, folks. It works fine now.

I wasn't that lucky :)

I'm using FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE-p4 #12
This is my loader.conf configuration:

legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=1
iwi_bss_load=YES
iwi_ibss_load=YES
iwi_monitor_load=YES

And in my kernel config I have:

device  pci

device  wlan# 802.11 support
device  wlan_wep# 802.11 WEP support
device  wlan_ccmp   # 802.11 CCMP support
device  wlan_tkip   # 802.11 TKIP support
device  wlan_amrr   # AMRR transmit rate control algorithm
device  wlan_scan_ap# 802.11 AP mode scanning
device  wlan_scan_sta   # 802.11 STA mode scanning

device  iwi # For Intel Pro Wireless 2200bg

device  firmware# firmware assist module

This is the output of ifconfig:

iwi0: flags=8802BROADCAST,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 1500
ether 00:0e:35:fd:aa:0f
media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect
status: no carrier
ssid  channel 1 (2412 Mhz 11b)
authmode OPEN privacy OFF bmiss 10 scanvalid 60 bgscan
bgscanintvl 300 bgscanidle 250 roam:rssi11b 7 roam:rate11b 1 bintval 0

After seting debug.iwi=1 this is what I get when I try to bring the
interface up:

$ ifconfig iwi0 up

iwi_newstate: INIT - INIT flags 0x0
enter FW state 1
firmware_get: failed to load firmware image iwi_bss
iwi0: could not load firmware
exit FW state 1
iwi_newstate: INIT - INIT flags 0x0

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.


 2009/4/22 Daniel Underwood djuatde...@gmail.com:
 Thanks Patrick.  After updating my /boot/loader.conf, it now contains:

 legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=1
 iwi_bss_load=YES
 iwi_ibss_load=YES
 iwi_monitor_load=YES
 wlan_scan_ap_load=YES
 wlan_scan_sta_load=YES
 wlan_wep_load=YES
 wlan_tkip_load=YES
 wlan_ccmp_load=YES

 I no longer receive the error message about failing to load the
 firmware. However, when I enter ifconfig iwi0 up scan, I receive the
 following in the xconsole:

 iwi0: firmware stuck in state4, resetting

 Any idea what that means, or what state4 is?  (Sorry, I'm very new to 
 FreeBSD.)

 Thanks,
 Daniel

 2009/4/22 Patrick Lamaizière patf...@davenulle.org:
 Le Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:04:41 -0400,
 Daniel Underwood djuatde...@gmail.com:

 After re-reading man iwi, I noticed that it says:

 This driver requires firmware to be loaded before it will work. You
 need to obtain iwicontrol(8)  from the IWI web page listed below to
 accomplish loading the firmware before ifconfig(8)  will work.

 I'm going to look into this. Sounds like this may be the problem. Do
 you think so?

 No, before FreeBSD 7 you needed to download the firmware.
 There is a port in /usr/ports/net/iwi-firmware but it is only for
 FreeBSD  7

 You don't need anything on FreeBSD 7.x and you it seems you are not
 using the right manual page for 7.1:
 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=iwimanpath=FreeBSD+7.1-RELEASEformat=html

 Regards.


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Re: Firefox3 and dependencies on firefox2,libxul,xulrunner

2009-04-23 Thread Matthew Seaman

l...@lena.kiev.ua wrote:

Hi,

I uninstalled firefox 2, installed firefox 3 and use it. Later,
portupgrade of librsvg2 began to build firefox 2 (I aborted it with ^C).
Then I specified

graphics/librsvg2 = WITH_GECKO=xulrunner,

in MAKE_ARGS in /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf . Now I'm trying to portupgrade
mplayer-plugin, it also tried to build firefox 2. I tried


Do a 'make config' in graphic/librsvg2 and disable the mozilla plugin
option.  It's not needed for firefox3 -- at least firefox is still happily
rendering SVG content for me -- and it gets rid of the libxul vs. xulrunner
thing.  Everything else that uses Gecko which I have installed works happily
with WITH_GECKO=libxul in /etc/make.conf

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: Format of history output Sometimes is very Different.

2009-04-23 Thread Matthew Seaman

Martin McCormick wrote:

the normal output of the history command resembles:

1  env
2  ssh system1.somedomain.com
3  scan cur

etc.

On occasion, I have seen a history output that shows the
list of commands plus the time they were executed. I am not sure
exactly how I got that output as I couldn't duplicate it on
demand. Any ideas on what I did to get that alternative output?



tcsh(1) includes timestamps in it's .history.  bash(1) doesn't.
Not sure about other shells, but the historical (ahem!) behaviour
of csh(1) was not to use timestamps, and I think most shells 
subsequently developed have carried on the same history format, with

tcsh(1) being the exception.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: maybe OT, but involves OOO its slideshow fmt, ``Impress''

2009-04-23 Thread Gary Kline
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 05:38:25PM +0200, Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote:
 Am Mittwoch, den 22.04.2009, 00:23 -0700 schrieb Gary Kline:
  In any case, there are
  two questions for this list.  
  The first, obviously, is subjective and is:
  would having my stuff in slideshow fmt gain me a wider readership?  
 Yes. Any sort of attractive presentation will draw more attention to
 your content than ordinary text without any pictures or animations.
 
  The
  second is:  anybody out there willing to clue me in on this stuff?
 I have always made very good experiences with technical questions of all
 kind on this list. Regarding your contents or lay-out and design there
 probably are better forums.


Hm, okay.  WEll, there's not really any layout or design.   I may
want to change the one .jpg file that i created.  Maybe givve the
pages a different background or font, but that's the limitation
of my ``artistic'' abilities.   Sound, music/page might be a
help; I'll need volunteer help with this, and the -questions list
isn't the place to post for that:)

tHat said: how can I experiement with translating my html into 
slideshow format?  If this is a case of RTFM, where is the FM
page website that will get me going.?

thanks much,

gary




 
 Greetings,
 
 Uli.
  gary
  
  

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Re: maybe OT, but involves OOO its slideshow fmt, ``Impress''

2009-04-23 Thread Gary Kline
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:47:44AM -0500, Andrew Gould wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Peter Ulrich Kruppa
 ulr...@pukruppa.netwrote:
 
  Am Mittwoch, den 22.04.2009, 00:23 -0700 schrieb Gary Kline:
 In any case, there are
 two questions for this list.
 The first, obviously, is subjective and is:
 would having my stuff in slideshow fmt gain me a wider readership?
  Yes. Any sort of attractive presentation will draw more attention to
  your content than ordinary text without any pictures or animations.
 
 The
 second is:  anybody out there willing to clue me in on this stuff?
  I have always made very good experiences with technical questions of all
  kind on this list. Regarding your contents or lay-out and design there
  probably are better forums.
 
  Greetings,
 
  Uli.
 gary
  
 
 
 It is very difficult to convey concepts or ideas with any complexity with
 slides alone.  Usually, slides should accompany and complement a
 presentation.


I understand that much, and I have at least one file of preamble 
chatter per section.  Some sections have 4 or 5 preamble
mumblings that offer the user///reader a clue re my thinking.
One thing I never forgot was that we all take away a slightly
different set of concepts from what we read or see on the tube.
Even from a painting or photo.  My chatter/mumblings are only my
ideas, my guidelines.  I was surprised when my daughter drew
something completely different from one thing I wrote.


 
 If the document must stand alone (no speech, etc), and the content is of any
 complexity, I would advise not using slides.
 
 For anyone using slides, I recommend the following book by Garr Reynolds:
 Presentation Zen: Simple Ideas on Presentation Design and Delivery
 


Thanks for the pointer.  I googled Reynolds' website and see that
his book is available thru amazon.com.this opens a whole new
field of opportunity... .

gary


 
 Best regards,
 
 Andrew

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Mergemaster Problem

2009-04-23 Thread Annelise Anderson


I'm running mergemaster as root (-v -i -c) on an upgrade to
stable (I rebooted with the new kernel but have not done
the install) and can't run mergemaster, with result as follows:



  Default is to use /var/tmp/temproot as is

How should I deal with this? [Use the existing /var/tmp/temproot] d

   *** Deleting the old /var/tmp/temproot

*** Creating the temporary root environment in /var/tmp/temproot
 *** /var/tmp/temproot ready for use
 *** Creating and populating directory structure in /var/tmp/temproot

 *** Press the [Enter] or [Return] key to continue
/usr/src/etc/Makefile, line 34: Malformed conditional (${MK_AMD} != 
no)

/usr/src/etc/Makefile, line 36: if-less endif
/usr/src/etc/Makefile, line 38: Malformed conditional (${MK_APM} != 
no)

/usr/src/etc/Makefile, line 40: if-less endif
/usr/src/etc/Makefile, line 42: Malformed conditional (${MK_BSNMP} != 
no)

/usr/src/etc/Makefile, line 44: if-less endif
/usr/src/etc/Makefile, line 46: Malformed conditional 
(${MK_FREEBSD_UPDATE} != no)

/usr/src/etc/Makefile, line 48: if-less endif
/usr/src/etc/Makefile, line 50: Malformed conditional (${MK_LOCATE} != 
no)

/usr/src/etc/Makefile, line 52: if-less endif
/usr/src/etc/Makefile, line 58: Malformed conditional (${MK_MAIL} != 
no)

/usr/src/etc/Makefile, line 60: if-less endif
/usr/src/etc/Makefile, line 79: Malformed conditional (${MK_PORTSNAP} != 
no)

/usr/src/etc/Makefile, line 81: if-less endif
/usr/src/etc/Makefile, line 218: Malformed conditional (${MK_PPP} != 
no)

/usr/src/etc/Makefile, line 221: if-less endif
/usr/src/etc/Makefile, line 222: Malformed conditional (${MK_MAIL} != 
no)

/usr/src/etc/Makefile, line 230: if-less endif
make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue

  *** FATAL ERROR: Cannot 'cd' to /usr/src/etc and install files to
  the temproot environment

Any suggestions?

Annelise
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Re: Modern FreeBSD Installer?

2009-04-23 Thread Paul B. Mahol
On 4/23/09, cpghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:50:46AM -0700, Michael David Crawford wrote:
 The partitioner will allow you to create more partitions than the
 FreeBSD partition table will allow.  Rather than giving it the name of a
 special file in the /dev/directory, it will name it just X.  You can
 create as many partitions named X as you like.

 Then the newfs will fail.

 I experienced this the other day, and have been meaning to file a bug
 report about it.

 Yes, this is a long standing problem. On one or both of {Open,Net}BSD,

That problem is fixed in 8.0 with introducion of gpart(8)

 the number of possible partitions per slice is higher. I'd really wish
 FreeBSD's bsdlabel(8) would allow for more partitions. The problem
 here is not with sysinstall though. From bsdlabel(8):

  The partition table can have up to 8 entries.  It contains the
 following
  information:

  #   The partition identifier is a single letter in the range `a' to
  `h'.  By convention, partition `c' is reserved to describe the
  entire disk.

 Take away 'b' for swap, and 'c' for the whole disk, you can only
 use 6 partitions per slice (including the root partition) on the
 bootable slice. That's clearly not enough, esp. on big disks, and
 with complex setups. :-(

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Re: Modern FreeBSD Installer?

2009-04-23 Thread cpghost
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:10:50AM +0200, Paul B. Mahol wrote:
 On 4/23/09, cpghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote:
  On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:50:46AM -0700, Michael David Crawford wrote:
  The partitioner will allow you to create more partitions than the
  FreeBSD partition table will allow.  Rather than giving it the name of a
  special file in the /dev/directory, it will name it just X.  You can
  create as many partitions named X as you like.
 
  Then the newfs will fail.
 
  I experienced this the other day, and have been meaning to file a bug
  report about it.
 
  Yes, this is a long standing problem. On one or both of {Open,Net}BSD,
 
 That problem is fixed in 8.0 with introducion of gpart(8)
 
  the number of possible partitions per slice is higher. I'd really wish
  FreeBSD's bsdlabel(8) would allow for more partitions. The problem
  here is not with sysinstall though. From bsdlabel(8):

Ah, gpart(8), good hint! Not yet familiar with that.

Apparently, it's already in 7.x. I have no spare disk right now to
give it a try. Would it already support 8+ partitions on RELENG_7,
or do we have to wait for 8.0?

 Paul

Thanks,
-cpghost.

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Re: Modern FreeBSD Installer?

2009-04-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar

the number of possible partitions per slice is higher. I'd really wish
FreeBSD's bsdlabel(8) would allow for more partitions. The problem
here is not with sysinstall though. From bsdlabel(8):

that's isn't supported by sysinstall but you can partition a partition.
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Re: FreeBSD and Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG

2009-04-23 Thread Daniel Underwood
What is the contents of your /etc/rc.conf file?

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Fernando Apesteguía
fernando.apesteg...@gmail.com wrote:
 2009/4/23 Daniel Underwood djuatde...@gmail.com:
 [SOLVED]

 Thanks for the help, folks. It works fine now.

 I wasn't that lucky :)

 I'm using FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE-p4 #12
 This is my loader.conf configuration:

 legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=1
 iwi_bss_load=YES
 iwi_ibss_load=YES
 iwi_monitor_load=YES

 And in my kernel config I have:

 device          pci

 device          wlan            # 802.11 support
 device          wlan_wep        # 802.11 WEP support
 device          wlan_ccmp       # 802.11 CCMP support
 device          wlan_tkip       # 802.11 TKIP support
 device          wlan_amrr       # AMRR transmit rate control algorithm
 device          wlan_scan_ap    # 802.11 AP mode scanning
 device          wlan_scan_sta   # 802.11 STA mode scanning

 device          iwi             # For Intel Pro Wireless 2200bg

 device          firmware        # firmware assist module

 This is the output of ifconfig:

 iwi0: flags=8802BROADCAST,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 1500
        ether 00:0e:35:fd:aa:0f
        media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect
        status: no carrier
        ssid  channel 1 (2412 Mhz 11b)
        authmode OPEN privacy OFF bmiss 10 scanvalid 60 bgscan
        bgscanintvl 300 bgscanidle 250 roam:rssi11b 7 roam:rate11b 1 bintval 0

 After seting debug.iwi=1 this is what I get when I try to bring the
 interface up:

 $ ifconfig iwi0 up

 iwi_newstate: INIT - INIT flags 0x0
 enter FW state 1
 firmware_get: failed to load firmware image iwi_bss
 iwi0: could not load firmware
 exit FW state 1
 iwi_newstate: INIT - INIT flags 0x0

 Any ideas?

 Thanks in advance.


 2009/4/22 Daniel Underwood djuatde...@gmail.com:
 Thanks Patrick.  After updating my /boot/loader.conf, it now contains:

 legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=1
 iwi_bss_load=YES
 iwi_ibss_load=YES
 iwi_monitor_load=YES
 wlan_scan_ap_load=YES
 wlan_scan_sta_load=YES
 wlan_wep_load=YES
 wlan_tkip_load=YES
 wlan_ccmp_load=YES

 I no longer receive the error message about failing to load the
 firmware. However, when I enter ifconfig iwi0 up scan, I receive the
 following in the xconsole:

 iwi0: firmware stuck in state4, resetting

 Any idea what that means, or what state4 is?  (Sorry, I'm very new to 
 FreeBSD.)

 Thanks,
 Daniel

 2009/4/22 Patrick Lamaizière patf...@davenulle.org:
 Le Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:04:41 -0400,
 Daniel Underwood djuatde...@gmail.com:

 After re-reading man iwi, I noticed that it says:

 This driver requires firmware to be loaded before it will work. You
 need to obtain iwicontrol(8)  from the IWI web page listed below to
 accomplish loading the firmware before ifconfig(8)  will work.

 I'm going to look into this. Sounds like this may be the problem. Do
 you think so?

 No, before FreeBSD 7 you needed to download the firmware.
 There is a port in /usr/ports/net/iwi-firmware but it is only for
 FreeBSD  7

 You don't need anything on FreeBSD 7.x and you it seems you are not
 using the right manual page for 7.1:
 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=iwimanpath=FreeBSD+7.1-RELEASEformat=html

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Re: FreeBSD and Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG

2009-04-23 Thread Daniel Underwood
Also, when you enter kldstat, do you see these?

iwi_bss.ko
iwi_ibss.ko
iwi_monitor.ko
if_iwi.ko

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Fernando Apesteguía
fernando.apesteg...@gmail.com wrote:
 2009/4/23 Daniel Underwood djuatde...@gmail.com:
 [SOLVED]

 Thanks for the help, folks. It works fine now.

 I wasn't that lucky :)

 I'm using FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE-p4 #12
 This is my loader.conf configuration:

 legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=1
 iwi_bss_load=YES
 iwi_ibss_load=YES
 iwi_monitor_load=YES

 And in my kernel config I have:

 device          pci

 device          wlan            # 802.11 support
 device          wlan_wep        # 802.11 WEP support
 device          wlan_ccmp       # 802.11 CCMP support
 device          wlan_tkip       # 802.11 TKIP support
 device          wlan_amrr       # AMRR transmit rate control algorithm
 device          wlan_scan_ap    # 802.11 AP mode scanning
 device          wlan_scan_sta   # 802.11 STA mode scanning

 device          iwi             # For Intel Pro Wireless 2200bg

 device          firmware        # firmware assist module

 This is the output of ifconfig:

 iwi0: flags=8802BROADCAST,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 1500
        ether 00:0e:35:fd:aa:0f
        media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect
        status: no carrier
        ssid  channel 1 (2412 Mhz 11b)
        authmode OPEN privacy OFF bmiss 10 scanvalid 60 bgscan
        bgscanintvl 300 bgscanidle 250 roam:rssi11b 7 roam:rate11b 1 bintval 0

 After seting debug.iwi=1 this is what I get when I try to bring the
 interface up:

 $ ifconfig iwi0 up

 iwi_newstate: INIT - INIT flags 0x0
 enter FW state 1
 firmware_get: failed to load firmware image iwi_bss
 iwi0: could not load firmware
 exit FW state 1
 iwi_newstate: INIT - INIT flags 0x0

 Any ideas?

 Thanks in advance.


 2009/4/22 Daniel Underwood djuatde...@gmail.com:
 Thanks Patrick.  After updating my /boot/loader.conf, it now contains:

 legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=1
 iwi_bss_load=YES
 iwi_ibss_load=YES
 iwi_monitor_load=YES
 wlan_scan_ap_load=YES
 wlan_scan_sta_load=YES
 wlan_wep_load=YES
 wlan_tkip_load=YES
 wlan_ccmp_load=YES

 I no longer receive the error message about failing to load the
 firmware. However, when I enter ifconfig iwi0 up scan, I receive the
 following in the xconsole:

 iwi0: firmware stuck in state4, resetting

 Any idea what that means, or what state4 is?  (Sorry, I'm very new to 
 FreeBSD.)

 Thanks,
 Daniel

 2009/4/22 Patrick Lamaizière patf...@davenulle.org:
 Le Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:04:41 -0400,
 Daniel Underwood djuatde...@gmail.com:

 After re-reading man iwi, I noticed that it says:

 This driver requires firmware to be loaded before it will work. You
 need to obtain iwicontrol(8)  from the IWI web page listed below to
 accomplish loading the firmware before ifconfig(8)  will work.

 I'm going to look into this. Sounds like this may be the problem. Do
 you think so?

 No, before FreeBSD 7 you needed to download the firmware.
 There is a port in /usr/ports/net/iwi-firmware but it is only for
 FreeBSD  7

 You don't need anything on FreeBSD 7.x and you it seems you are not
 using the right manual page for 7.1:
 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=iwimanpath=FreeBSD+7.1-RELEASEformat=html

 Regards.


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Re: Format of history output Sometimes is very Different.

2009-04-23 Thread N. Raghavendra
At 2009-04-23T15:31:51-05:00, Martin McCormick wrote:

   On occasion, I have seen a history output that shows the
 list of commands plus the time they were executed. I am not sure
 exactly how I got that output as I couldn't duplicate it on
 demand. Any ideas on what I did to get that alternative output?

In tcsh, one way to do that is `history -T'.

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Re: Mergemaster Problem

2009-04-23 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:54:25 -0700 (PDT), Annelise Anderson 
and...@andrsn.stanford.edu wrote:
 I'm running mergemaster as root (-v -i -c) on an upgrade to
 stable (I rebooted with the new kernel but have not done
 the install) and can't run mergemaster, with result as follows:

   Default is to use /var/tmp/temproot as is

 How should I deal with this? [Use the existing /var/tmp/temproot] d

*** Deleting the old /var/tmp/temproot

 *** Creating the temporary root environment in /var/tmp/temproot
  *** /var/tmp/temproot ready for use
  *** Creating and populating directory structure in /var/tmp/temproot

  *** Press the [Enter] or [Return] key to continue
 /usr/src/etc/Makefile, line 34: Malformed conditional (${MK_AMD} != no)
 /usr/src/etc/Makefile, line 36: if-less endif
[...]

   *** FATAL ERROR: Cannot 'cd' to /usr/src/etc and install files to
   the temproot environment

 Any suggestions?

Hi Annelise,

It seems you are running mergemaster with a new kernel but with the old
make(1) binary across a major release update.  Since part of the update
process spawned by mergemaster depends on `make' and the `/usr/share/mk'
files, you have to installworld before you can use the new megemaster
script.

The pre-buildworld mode of mergemaster (`mergemaster -p') should run
fine even with an old userland and old `/usr/share/mk' files.  But you
should install everything before you run a full mergemaster update of
all files in `/etc'.


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Re: maybe OT, but involves OOO its slideshow fmt, ``Impress''

2009-04-23 Thread Peter Ulrich Kruppa
Am Donnerstag, den 23.04.2009, 14:36 -0700 schrieb Gary Kline:
 On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 05:38:25PM +0200, Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote:
  Am Mittwoch, den 22.04.2009, 00:23 -0700 schrieb Gary Kline:
 In any case, there are
 two questions for this list.  
 The first, obviously, is subjective and is:
 would having my stuff in slideshow fmt gain me a wider readership?  
  Yes. Any sort of attractive presentation will draw more attention to
  your content than ordinary text without any pictures or animations.
  
 The
 second is:  anybody out there willing to clue me in on this stuff?
  I have always made very good experiences with technical questions of all
  kind on this list. Regarding your contents or lay-out and design there
  probably are better forums.
 
 
   Hm, okay.  WEll, there's not really any layout or design.   I may
   want to change the one .jpg file that i created.  Maybe givve the
   pages a different background or font, but that's the limitation
   of my ``artistic'' abilities.   Sound, music/page might be a
   help; I'll need volunteer help with this, and the -questions list
   isn't the place to post for that:)
Please do excuse my limited possibilites in the english language:
But the question of design and medium is quite deeply connected with the
kind of content you wish to communicate.
For example:
A slideshow format needs sort of a linear argumentation like this:
(1)--(2)--(3)--(4)-- ...

HTML permits multiple lines of argumentation and crossreferences like
this
_-(2a)--(3a)--(4a)-- ...
   /
(1)---(2b)--(3b)--(4b)-- ...
\   /
  ---(3c)-- 
A slideshow is a one-way communication from you to your readers, HTML as
for example used in a wiki allows interaction with your readers
(comments, own contributions,...)

Thus it might not at all be possible to convert HTML to a slide show.
You will have to decide which kind of medium fits your content best.


 
   tHat said: how can I experiement with translating my html into 
   slideshow format?  If this is a case of RTFM, where is the FM
   page website that will get me going.?
When you have decided to use openoffice-impress you can find a first
manual on http://documentation.openoffice.org/

Greetings

Uli.

   thanks much,
 
   gary
 
 
 
 
  
  Greetings,
  
  Uli.
 gary
   
   
 
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Re: maybe OT, but involves OOO its slideshow fmt, ``Impress''

2009-04-23 Thread Peter Ulrich Kruppa
Am Donnerstag, den 23.04.2009, 14:36 -0700 schrieb Gary Kline:
 On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 05:38:25PM +0200, Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote:
  Am Mittwoch, den 22.04.2009, 00:23 -0700 schrieb Gary Kline:
 In any case, there are
 two questions for this list.  
 The first, obviously, is subjective and is:
 would having my stuff in slideshow fmt gain me a wider readership?  
  Yes. Any sort of attractive presentation will draw more attention to
  your content than ordinary text without any pictures or animations.
  
 The
 second is:  anybody out there willing to clue me in on this stuff?
  I have always made very good experiences with technical questions of all
  kind on this list. Regarding your contents or lay-out and design there
  probably are better forums.
 
 
   Hm, okay.  WEll, there's not really any layout or design.   I may
   want to change the one .jpg file that i created.  Maybe givve the
   pages a different background or font, but that's the limitation
   of my ``artistic'' abilities.   Sound, music/page might be a
   help; I'll need volunteer help with this, and the -questions list
   isn't the place to post for that:)
 
   tHat said: how can I experiement with translating my html into 
   slideshow format?  If this is a case of RTFM, where is the FM
   page website that will get me going.?
 
   thanks much,
 
   gary
 
 
 
 
  
  Greetings,
  
  Uli.
 gary
   
   
 
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Re: Mergemaster Problem

2009-04-23 Thread Annelise Anderson

On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:


On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:54:25 -0700 (PDT), Annelise Anderson 
and...@andrsn.stanford.edu wrote:

I'm running mergemaster as root (-v -i -c) on an upgrade to
stable (I rebooted with the new kernel but have not done
the install) and can't run mergemaster, with result as follows:

  Default is to use /var/tmp/temproot as is

How should I deal with this? [Use the existing /var/tmp/temproot] d

   *** Deleting the old /var/tmp/temproot

*** Creating the temporary root environment in /var/tmp/temproot
 *** /var/tmp/temproot ready for use
 *** Creating and populating directory structure in /var/tmp/temproot

 *** Press the [Enter] or [Return] key to continue
/usr/src/etc/Makefile, line 34: Malformed conditional (${MK_AMD} != no)
/usr/src/etc/Makefile, line 36: if-less endif

[...]


  *** FATAL ERROR: Cannot 'cd' to /usr/src/etc and install files to
  the temproot environment

Any suggestions?


Hi Annelise,

It seems you are running mergemaster with a new kernel but with the old
make(1) binary across a major release update.  Since part of the update
process spawned by mergemaster depends on `make' and the `/usr/share/mk'
files, you have to installworld before you can use the new megemaster
script.

The pre-buildworld mode of mergemaster (`mergemaster -p') should run
fine even with an old userland and old `/usr/share/mk' files.  But you
should install everything before you run a full mergemaster update of
all files in `/etc'.


Right you are.  Thanks.  Now I understand what I was reading in UPDATING.

Annelise
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