Re: Failure to get past a PCI bridge

2009-05-29 Thread Josef Moellers

Polytropon wrote:

On Thu, 28 May 2009 16:24:00 +0200, Josef Moellers 
josef.moell...@ts.fujitsu.com wrote:
  

The install kernel then boots properly and reaches the Country Selection.
At that point, no keyboard input is accepted. An optical mouse is off, 
so I assume the keyboard to be off, too.



Not neccessarily. Check the blinkenlights with caps lock,
num lock and scroll lock (if present).
  

BTDTNT.

If optical mouse doesn't have any light, it's nearly obvious
that it doesn't get power from the USB port. This doesn't
need to imply that the keyboard is off, too.

Yes, but none of the *Lock key work either.

When trying to install without ACPI, I managed to get past the bridge, 
but then I got a Fatal trap:


---
igb0: Reserved 0x2 bytes for rid 0x10 type 3 at 0xce26
igb0: Reserved 0x4000 bytes for rid 0x1c type 3 at 0xce20
igb0: attempting to allocate 3 MSI-X vectors (10 supported)


Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode
cpuid = 0; apic id = 00
fault virtual address   = 0x18
fault code  = supervisor read data, page not present
instruction pointer = 0x8:0x803e127d
stack pointer   = 0x10:0x810d8830
frame pointer   = 0x10:0x3
code segment= base 0x0, limit 0xf, type 0x1b
   = DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1
processor eflags= interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0
current process = 0 (swapper)
trap number = 12
panic: page fault
--

I'll talk to the BIOS guy again, but if someone has some other ideas, 
I'd be grateful.


Josef

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UK Currency Symbol in 7.2 Console - A Question actually about FreeBSD

2009-05-29 Thread Graham Bentley

Hello All,

Im still struggling with this one and have tried all I could find
by Googling lists and forums. @ and  keys are fine as are
every other key apart from £ symbol. Can anyone suggest
ways to track this down. At 'Login:' I can actually get £ but
after loging I get a beep? I have tried various fonts and maps
to no avail.

Any suggestions / pointers, even an RT[URL]FM or useful
flame appreciated.

Thanks! 


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Re: UK Currency Symbol in 7.2 Console - A Question actually about FreeBSD

2009-05-29 Thread bsd

Hi,

I use a Macintosh as client host, but this could be any computer as  
long as you have a working keyboard configured.



My shell is bash (latest port version).

In my .bashrc I have included the following:

# Display quoted characters
stty cs8 -istrip -parenb
bind 'set convert-meta off'
bind 'set meta-flag on'
bind 'set output-meta on'


Furthermore I have configured emacs (my favorite editor) to also  
handle UTF8 character and encoding


In my .emacs:

(set-terminal-coding-system 'utf-8)
(set-keyboard-coding-system 'utf-8)
(prefer-coding-system 'utf-8)



This allows me to have all my characters encoded in UTF-8.


One more interesting thing is the prompt (more fancy than really  
usefull):


In .bashrc:

case $TERM in
xterm*|rxvt*)
PS1=\[\033[01;33;33m\]\h \w -- \[\033[00m\]
PS2='\u:\w '
;;
screen)
#PS1='\e[1;31...@\h:\e[1;37m\w\e[1;31m\$\e[0;37m '
PS1=\[\033[01;36;36m\]\h \t \w screen $ \[\033[00m\]
;;
*)
PS1='\h:\w\$ '
;;
esac


And the history search, still in .bashrc:

bind '\e[A':history-search-backward
bind '\e[B':history-search-forward







Le 29 mai 09 à 08:54, Graham Bentley a écrit :


Hello All,

Im still struggling with this one and have tried all I could find
by Googling lists and forums. @ and  keys are fine as are
every other key apart from £ symbol. Can anyone suggest
ways to track this down. At 'Login:' I can actually get £ but
after loging I get a beep? I have tried various fonts and maps
to no avail.

Any suggestions / pointers, even an RT[URL]FM or useful
flame appreciated.

Thanks!



Gregober --- PGP ID -- 0x1BA3C2FD
bsd @at@ todoo.biz


P Please consider your environmental responsibility before printing  
this e-mail



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RE: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail

2009-05-29 Thread Johan Hendriks


 Hello,

  Hello all ,  I want to install a  Mail Server with  Webmail,
 
  Anybody to know a good Stable Mail Server and Web Mail

 I recommend the following step-by-step instructions:
 http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4

It's a detailed how-to but consider the following:
a) With Oracle acquiring Sun, one should move to PostgreSQL where ever 
possible.
b) Spam Assassin is a resource hog, use mail/dspam.
c) While postfix-admin is ok for one box setup, it doesn't scale at all - 
you'll have to install it for every physical machine to manage that specific 
database for that box. I know of no alternatives, hence I'm rolling my own.

-- 
Mel

Option c and do not understand.

You can use a centralized database and let as many postfix, dovecot servers 
talk to that database as you want, or am i seeing this wrong.

Regards,
Johan


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Re: Fresh install 7.2-RELEASE i386, X won't start

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar

Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server
(EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed
(EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed
Protocol not supported by server

Do you have
dbus_enable=YES
hald_enable=YES
in your /etc/rc.conf ?


Yes I have


If not: add them, reboot and try to create a new xorg.conf with
# Xorg -configure


Produces the same result :-(



wouldn't it be better to pkg_delete xserver, make config, turn off hal 
dependency and then install. Probably it will work fine then.

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Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint

2009-05-29 Thread Jonathan McKeown
On Thursday 28 May 2009 22:52:47 Jerry wrote:

 Did you ever bother to consider that if the printer manufacturers
 actually formed a consensus on a printer language, some third world
 county or the EU would probably sue them. Nothing I have seen in 20
 years equals the audacity of the EU. As long as no 'standard' no matter
 how arbitrary, stupid or counter-productive exists, they are in theory
 safe from the EU. Besides, nothing stifles development as tightly as
 being bound to an arbitrary 'standard'.

What a breathtakingly stupid remark.

The EU has acted against two companies (Microsoft and Intel) who have used 
illegal business methods to protect and extend their monopolies and suppress 
competition.

Or are you suggesting that a format or protocol which is implemented by 
several different companies, allowing vendors to compete fairly on other 
grounds (price, features, quality, ... ) while protecting consumers by making 
it possible for them to move from one vendor to another, is somehow a worse 
idea than a proprietary format or protocol which is forced into a 
market-dominating position by illegal tactics such as paying manufacturers 
extra to incorporate it, or penalising them financially for providing 
competing products?

If that's the case, why is no-one trying to use the courts to prevent the use 
of ODF, a published standard which is now used by several companies and Free 
Software projects to provide a common format for documents?

Once a company dominates a particular market it's held to a different standard 
than other companies in that market - because the power of the monopoly can 
be used not only to prevent competition in the original market, but to extend 
the market domination into new markets, by techniques like product tying, 
distributing at below cost (effectively drawing subsidy from the original 
monopoly product) until competitors are driven out of business, and so on.

Microsoft has been convicted of doing all these things, in US courts, in 
courts in Asia, and in courts in Europe. These are matters of fact, not 
opinion.

Intel has been convicted of many of these things in courts in Asia and in 
Europe.

The fact that the US system is too supine to take action against these 
companies doesn't make the EU ``arrogant''. Let's not forget why Unix took 
off and expanded the way it did: once upon a time the US courts did take 
antitrust seriously, and prevented ATT using its telco monopoly to expand 
into market domination of the computer business.

Jonathan
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Re: On the need for moderated questions lists

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar


It's just my opinion, time will show if i am right if they will not do
this, and this list turn to 1% on topic.


The only problem with that sort of reasoning is that the FreeBSD mailing
list charters *have* been decided.


but the decision MAY be changed. Of course - it may not, but there is 
nothing that prevent me from having an opinion about moderation and trying 
to explain to others that it make sense.



There is a reason why freebsd-questions is open to everyone, including
people who want to discuss things like ``How do I make my Windows boot
loader launch FreeBSD?''.


I am NOT asking for closing current list

But adding moderated one.


My impression from hanging around this mailing list for several years
now (It's almost a decade now, geez! When did all that time pass?) is


for over decade i use unix but unfortunately much shorter FreeBSD.


that the openness and the all-around friendly character of ``If your
question is even marginally related to a small part of FreeBSD and we
can help, we'll do it'' is a valued and much-cherished attribute of the


This way anything with any real question are difficult to get answers.

It was for example common for my questions that 20 people answered with 
nonsense because they just are on the list as experts answering windows 
question.


Fortunately sometimes i finally got an answer if someone knowing it got 
through the mess before. more often - not.



list.  A lot of the people who hang around here like it this way, and
what you propose to do is such a radical change that it requires a *lot*
of up-front work if you really want to convince anyone.


Once again - i don't want that list to be closed.

It's very possible that some people would like to look at both. On 
moderated professional ;) to get and answer FreeBSD-related question, 
and on this as a cool chat and place to talk about installing KDE if 
he/she like.



You do have a point that there is a very thin line between ``being very
helpful to new people'' and ``talking about irrelevant systems all the
time'',


The line can be clearly defined if rules will be defined.

There are tons of other places when you can help people that way. And of 
course - that list that won't be removed.



moderated list seems to be ``We have to do this or we are doomed to be
flooded with useless non-FreeBSD posts''.


We already all.


volume of off-topic posts has any sort of upwards trend is to:

 (a) Define *precisely* and in very clear terms what you consider on
 topic and what you consider off-topic.


OK. On topic is:

- question about software made by FreeBSD team which is FreeBSD base 
system+ports subsystem. In ports subsystem i mean the set of scripts and 
patches that allows you to compile other programs, BUT NOT THE PROGRAMS 
itself.


- questions about purely FreeBSD-specific and FreeBSD-dependend things of 
ported programs. For example:


---
I start program X, configure it the same way as in linux, installed all 
the same modules, but here it crashes/behave differently. For example:

--- here some output ---
Where is a problem
---


Off topic - it's all not being on-topic.


 (c) Go through the archives by year and/or month and keep statistics
 about things like: thread size, active posters per period, posts
 per period, off-topic/on-topic ratio of messages, and so on.


already did. years ago the percentage of on-topic questions was much 
higher, as more and more often it's dissolved by questions about 
windows,KDE etc.



This sort of approach would probably meet a lot less resistance, because
it is repeatable by anyone who wants to verify your results, and it is
based on the actual *data* of the mailing list itself, instead of a


OK. nice idea.
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7-2 from scratch install , but no sound

2009-05-29 Thread Frank Bonnet
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Hello

I have freshly install a HPXW4200 ( i386 ) but
sound system does not work

I have gnome installed and all the above services are running

moused_enable=YES
nfs_client_enable=YES
sshd_enable=YES
linux_enable=YES
postfix_enable=YES
dovecot_enable=YES
dbus_enable=YES
gdm_enable=YES
hald_enable=YES
avahi_daemon_enable=YES
apache22_enable=YES


Any help/infos welcome

Thanks
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RE: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar



Hello all ,  I want to install a  Mail Server with  Webmail,


as i can't find the first post of that post i will answer the question 
what i see on top.



What i use is:

sendmail - in base system+procmail from ports. procmail is mainly used to 
store messages in maildir format.
spamassassin as antispam, someone already pointed that dspam is faster i 
must check it. Anyway properly configured spamassassin isn't that bad.


sqwebmail for webmail. it's highest performance and easiest to configure 
webmail i've tested. It's fortunately not PHP based, it's written in C.


dovecot for IMAP/POP3 service.
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Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail

2009-05-29 Thread Chris Rees
2009/5/29 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl:

 Hello all ,  I want to install a  Mail Server with  Webmail,

 as i can't find the first post of that post i will answer the question what
 i see on top.


 What i use is:

 sendmail - in base system+procmail from ports. procmail is mainly used to
 store messages in maildir format.
 spamassassin as antispam, someone already pointed that dspam is faster i
 must check it. Anyway properly configured spamassassin isn't that bad.

 sqwebmail for webmail. it's highest performance and easiest to configure
 webmail i've tested. It's fortunately not PHP based, it's written in C.


What's wrong with PHP?



-- 
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list?
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Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar

The EU has acted against two companies (Microsoft and Intel) who have used
illegal business methods to protect and extend their monopolies and suppress
competition.


This is just the occasion to get another tax by UE clerks. As Microsoft 
and Intel just pay a fine, and doesn't really change their behaviour, it's 
just tax that final users pay.


Anyway i am against any such regulations. Free Market is a best regulator. 
As people DO LIKE their products and the slavery by using them - their 
problem.


It would be much better of removing things that are against free market 
rules, software patents are perfect example. But as most of the world 
(lead by UE) goes back into socialism, that heroicly fights problems it 
creates, it won't happen.



Or are you suggesting that a format or protocol which is implemented by
several different companies, allowing vendors to compete fairly on other
grounds (price, features, quality, ... ) while protecting consumers by making


This is a proper idea. But both doing this, and not doing this, is not 
matter of any clerk, politician or king, but of people choice and free 
market.


People should choose if they want to use open standards and be 
independent, or use closed standards and become slaves.


As some people like to be slaves, there are no reason to forbid it.


extra to incorporate it, or penalising them financially for providing
competing products?


The worst thing of UE (and other government) is that they are putting 
their dirty hand into free market at all.



If that's the case, why is no-one trying to use the courts to prevent the use
of ODF, a published standard which is now used by several companies and Free
Software projects to provide a common format for documents?


maybe yet? but yes - i think the first poster exaggerated things. UE 
doesn't (yet?) fights with open standard. They even say they are promoting 
it. Of course best they can do is not to do anything.



Microsoft has been convicted of doing all these things, in US courts, in
courts in Asia, and in courts in Europe. These are matters of fact, not
opinion.


Government in Asia just do the same - another source of taxes.

If they would like to really punish MS, fines will be much higher and 
MEANINGFUL to microsoft.



off and expanded the way it did: once upon a time the US courts did take
antitrust seriously, and prevented ATT using its telco monopoly to expand


Or maybe it solved problem it created - software patents that existed in 
US already, and prevented BSD to be spread and improved?!

Don't you remember.

The government is always a SOURCE, not solution to a problem.
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Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar


What i use is:

sendmail - in base system+procmail from ports. procmail is mainly used to
store messages in maildir format.
spamassassin as antispam, someone already pointed that dspam is faster i
must check it. Anyway properly configured spamassassin isn't that bad.

sqwebmail for webmail. it's highest performance and easiest to configure
webmail i've tested. It's fortunately not PHP based, it's written in C.



What's wrong with PHP?


1) resource hungry
2) quite buggy. While here can be discussed how much is because of PHP 
itself, and how much of stupid-written PHP programs

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Re: On the need for moderated questions lists

2009-05-29 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Fri, 29 May 2009 09:36:07 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar 
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
 It's just my opinion, time will show if i am right if they will not
 do this, and this list turn to 1% on topic.

 The only problem with that sort of reasoning is that the FreeBSD mailing
 list charters *have* been decided.

 but the decision MAY be changed. Of course - it may not, but there is
 nothing that prevent me from having an opinion about moderation and
 trying to explain to others that it make sense.

While a change like this is possible, it is going to be very very hard.

To change something so deeply ingrained into the whole `culture' of
being an open OS that welcomes everyone takes the sort of numbers I was
talking in the rest of my post.  Change for sake of change is often
silly.  Change because there is a measurable advantage is, on the other
hand, quite more often a good thing :)

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7-7.2 upgrade, websvn

2009-05-29 Thread Pieter Donche

Recently upgraded 7.0-7.2
a user tells that he gets, using websvn
 Error running this command: svn --config-dir /tmp --version
   svn: not found
anyone a similar experience?
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Re: On the need for moderated questions lists

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar

nothing that prevent me from having an opinion about moderation and
trying to explain to others that it make sense.


While a change like this is possible, it is going to be very very hard.
To change something so deeply ingrained into the whole `culture' of


why adding extra moderated list is a change of deeply ingrained culture?
Once again i'm not for shutting down that list.

Anyway some common ideas that had ingrained has to be revisited anyway, 
now or soon. Not only by FreeBSD community, but free software at all.


The first will be the common idea of free software should compete with 
commercial. My answer is that it should not as it already failed to do.
And what's a gain even if it will be successful? As it's not commercial 
and not being sold.


It already lives very fine in it's market niche. As FreeBSD never 
really tried to compete with say - windows - hard, it's still so good OS, based 
of real idea of unix, and still well optimized for performance. Actually 
it gets better every release.


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Re: 7-2 from scratch install , but no sound

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar

Any help/infos welcome


please post the output of mixer command.

i bet your volume is set to zero ;)




Thanks
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Re: What is this forum for?

2009-05-29 Thread Chris Rees
2009/5/28 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl:

 These are interoperability questions. Nobody here is asking Windows
 support questions.

 example - do you know how to shrink windows partition from 250 to 50 gigs
 without losing data

 Yes he wanted this 200GB for FreeBSD, but that question has NOTHING to
 FreeBSD.

Actually, this looks far more about interoperability, especially since
as you said, the 200 GB _is_ _for_ _FreeBSD_

Just because you don't know the answer to a question doesn't mean it's
off-topic.

Chris

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Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list?
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Re: 7-2 from scratch install , but no sound

2009-05-29 Thread Chris Rees
2009/5/29 Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr:
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 Hello

 I have freshly install a HPXW4200 ( i386 ) but
 sound system does not work

 I have gnome installed and all the above services are running

 moused_enable=YES
 nfs_client_enable=YES
 sshd_enable=YES
 linux_enable=YES
 postfix_enable=YES
 dovecot_enable=YES
 dbus_enable=YES
 gdm_enable=YES
 hald_enable=YES
 avahi_daemon_enable=YES
 apache22_enable=YES


 Any help/infos welcome

 Thanks


Did you kldload sound?

Chris

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Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list?
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Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail

2009-05-29 Thread Chris Rees
2009/5/29 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl:

 What i use is:

 sendmail - in base system+procmail from ports. procmail is mainly used to
 store messages in maildir format.
 spamassassin as antispam, someone already pointed that dspam is faster i
 must check it. Anyway properly configured spamassassin isn't that bad.

 sqwebmail for webmail. it's highest performance and easiest to configure
 webmail i've tested. It's fortunately not PHP based, it's written in C.


 What's wrong with PHP?

 1) resource hungry
 2) quite buggy. While here can be discussed how much is because of PHP
 itself, and how much of stupid-written PHP programs


I don't think PHP itself is buggy, in fact I think badly written C
programs are responsible for far more lossage.

Though you're right about resource-hunger.

Chris

-- 
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list?
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Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint

2009-05-29 Thread Chris Rees
2009/5/29 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl:
 The EU has acted against two companies (Microsoft and Intel) who have used
 illegal business methods to protect and extend their monopolies and
 suppress
 competition.

 This is just the occasion to get another tax by UE clerks. As Microsoft and
 Intel just pay a fine, and doesn't really change their behaviour, it's just
 tax that final users pay.

 Anyway i am against any such regulations. Free Market is a best regulator.
 As people DO LIKE their products and the slavery by using them - their
 problem.


Do you really think the free market protects our freedoms? Remember
the East India Company?

Chris

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locking attempts fails in FreeBSD (jail)

2009-05-29 Thread Oskar Eyb
hello!


on one of my servers (7.0-R , Jail) I have a very strange problem


I guess its something about LOCKing.


some programs have issued with locking:


saslauthd[38127] :main: could not lock pid lock file: 
/var/run/saslauthd/saslauthd.pid.lock
saslauthd[38127] :main: fcntl: Invalid argument




dovecot: 2009-05-29 03:45:50 Info: dovecot v1.1.15 starting up
dovecot: 2009-05-29 03:45:50 Info: Generating Diffie-Hellman parameters for the 
first time. This may take a while..
dovecot: 2009-05-29 03:45:50 Error: ssl-build-param: fcntl(write-lock) locking 
failed for file /var/db/dovecot/ssl-parameters.dat.tmp: Invalid argument
dovecot: 2009-05-29 03:45:50 Fatal: ssl-build-param: 
file_try_lock(/var/db/dovecot/ssl-parameters.dat.tmp) failed: Invalid argument





deliver(u...@example.com): 2009-05-29 03:43:24 Error: fcntl(write-lock) locking 
failed for file /data/maildirs/example.com/user/dovecot.index.log: Invalid 
argument

deliver(u...@example.com): 2009-05-29 03:43:24 Error: mail_index_wait_lock_fd() 
failed with file /data/maildirs/example.com/user/dovecot.index.log: Invalid 
argument

deliver(u...@example.com): 2009-05-29 03:43:24 Info: 
msgid=blu129-w212f3c73cddc4c399ce338fd...@phx.gbl: save failed to INBOX: 
Internal error occurred. Refer to server log for more information. [2009-05-29 
03:43:24]


-rw---  1 vmail  vmail  24 May 29 03:43 
/data/maildirs/example.com/user/dovecot.index.log


all directorys are existent and wirtable


anyone an idea?

thanks!!


Oskar

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Re: Remotely edit user disk quota

2009-05-29 Thread Chris Rees
2009/5/28 Kirk Strauser k...@strauser.com:
 On Thursday 28 May 2009 02:34:02 pm Wojciech Puchar wrote:

 And yes - i do log as root by insecure rsh and telnet.

 OK, I'm now promoting you to batshit insane.  Seriously, there's no excuse
 for running telnet - even in a secure (ha!) environment - when so much
 better alternatives exist.

 Let me shoot you a hypothetical: your webserver gets compromised.

Something I pointed out earlier.

Chris



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Re: 7-2 from scratch install , but no sound

2009-05-29 Thread Bruce Cran
On Fri, 29 May 2009 09:37:14 +0200
Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr wrote:

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 Hello
 
 I have freshly install a HPXW4200 ( i386 ) but
 sound system does not work
 
 I have gnome installed and all the above services are running
 
 moused_enable=YES
 nfs_client_enable=YES
 sshd_enable=YES
 linux_enable=YES
 postfix_enable=YES
 dovecot_enable=YES
 dbus_enable=YES
 gdm_enable=YES
 hald_enable=YES
 avahi_daemon_enable=YES
 apache22_enable=YES

Have you loaded the sound driver? Check /dev/sndstat to see if it's
running.

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Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint

2009-05-29 Thread perryh
Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:

 CUPS isn't extra software in my opinions.

CUPS is a PITA, but it may nevertheless be the least bad
solution if one is stuck with a junk printer.

Decent, network-capable, PostScript printers do not have to be
costly.  I bought a Samsung ML-2571N at Fry's for something like
$60(US) a year or two ago.  All I had to do was plug it into the
network, add its IP address to /etc/hosts, add a suitable entry
to /etc/printcap, and lpr just works.  No need to bother with
CUPS.

Granted the ML-2571N is monochrome and Samsung's color printer
did not support PostScript last I knew.  For color, I got a
Xerox printer or a few hundred US$ a while back.  Like the Samsung
it has PostScript, networking, and lpd support built in; another
pair of /etc/hosts and /etc/printcap entries and lpr just works
for it also.
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Re: character sets for file names on ufs?

2009-05-29 Thread perryh
Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com wrote:

 ... ufs filenames have no assumed character set.

I take it the / character is the same across all encodings then?
Last I knew the pathname separator was treated specially.
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libapreq2 broken?

2009-05-29 Thread Erik Norgaard

Hi:

I recently upgraded to FBSD7.2 and decided to upgrade my ports as well, 
upgrading perl to 5.10. Now www/libapreq2 won't build:


cd perl; gmake
gmake[2]: Entering directory 
`/usr/local/ports/www/libapreq2/work/libapreq2-2.12/glue/perl'

cp lib/Apache2/Cookie.pm blib/lib/Apache2/Cookie.pm
cp lib/Apache2/Upload.pm blib/lib/Apache2/Upload.pm
cp lib/Apache2/Request.pm blib/lib/Apache2/Request.pm
cp lib/APR/DummyVersions.pm blib/lib/APR/DummyVersions.pm
make: don't know how to make w. Stop
gmake[2]: *** [subdirs] Error 2
gmake[2]: Leaving directory 
`/usr/local/ports/www/libapreq2/work/libapreq2-2.12/glue/perl'

gmake[1]: *** [perl_glue] Error 2
gmake[1]: Leaving directory 
`/usr/local/ports/www/libapreq2/work/libapreq2-2.12/glue'

gmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/local/ports/www/libapreq2.

clearly, gmake fails, but since perl generates the Makefile, could this 
be a problem caused by upgrade to 5.10? Any solution?


Thanks, Erik

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libapreq2 port broken?

2009-05-29 Thread Erik Norgaard

Hi:

I recently upgraded to FBSD7.2 and decided to upgrade my ports as well,
upgrading perl to 5.10. Now www/libapreq2 won't build:

cd perl; gmake
gmake[2]: Entering directory
`/usr/local/ports/www/libapreq2/work/libapreq2-2.12/glue/perl'
cp lib/Apache2/Cookie.pm blib/lib/Apache2/Cookie.pm
cp lib/Apache2/Upload.pm blib/lib/Apache2/Upload.pm
cp lib/Apache2/Request.pm blib/lib/Apache2/Request.pm
cp lib/APR/DummyVersions.pm blib/lib/APR/DummyVersions.pm
make: don't know how to make w. Stop
gmake[2]: *** [subdirs] Error 2
gmake[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/ports/www/libapreq2/work/libapreq2-2.12/glue/perl'
gmake[1]: *** [perl_glue] Error 2
gmake[1]: Leaving directory
`/usr/local/ports/www/libapreq2/work/libapreq2-2.12/glue'
gmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/local/ports/www/libapreq2.

clearly, gmake fails, but since perl generates the Makefile, could this
be a problem caused by upgrade to 5.10? Any solution?

Thanks, Erik
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Re: UK Currency Symbol in 7.2 Console - A Question actually about FreeBSD

2009-05-29 Thread Lars Eighner

On Fri, 29 May 2009, Graham Bentley wrote:


Hello All,

Im still struggling with this one and have tried all I could find
by Googling lists and forums. @ and  keys are fine as are
every other key apart from £ symbol. Can anyone suggest
ways to track this down. At 'Login:' I can actually get £ but
after loging I get a beep? I have tried various fonts and maps
to no avail.

Any suggestions / pointers, even an RT[URL]FM or useful
flame appreciated.


All these remarks apply to the console (and virtual ttys) not xterm
or other terminals in X.

First, you must have a font with £ in it.  It seems you do if you ever see
this character, but for the record your most likely choices are iso-8859-1
and iso-8859-15 (also has the Euro symbol).  It is best to load these at
boot in three sizes:

These lines in /etc/rc.conf

font8x14=iso-8x14
font8x16=iso-8x16
font8x8=iso-8x8

will load iso-8859-1

and these

font8x14=iso15-8x14
font8x16=iso15-8x16
font8x8=iso15-8x8

will load iso-8859-1

There are applications that will help you to edit a font, but that is beyond
the scope here.

remember, in /etc/rc.conf, when the same item is set multiple times, the
last entry wins, so it is best to read this file from the bottom and add at
the bottom.  (Do not edit the master file in /etc/defaults.)

You can see what fonts are on your system and try one out temporarily using
the vidfont command.

Second you must set your TERM variable to something compatible.  You do this
in your shell login scripts.  You can do this for everyone using the same
shell in /etc or per user in the dot file in the home directory of the user. 
Consult the man page for your particular shell.


This works for bash in /etc/profile or in the user's .profile:

TERM='cons25l1'
export TERM

cons25l1 is for an 80x25 console using iso-8859-1.  It also appears to work
for iso-8859-15.  If you have a different number of characters (than 80) or
a different number of lines (than 25), select something appropriate from
/usr/share/misc/termcap  (there may be symbolic link to it from
/etc/termcap).  DO NOT EDIT THE TERMCAP.

Finally you need to select an appropriate keyboard from
/usr/share/syscons/keymaps and be sure it is entered in /etc/rc.conf.

Your main choices would seem to be uk.iso-ctrl.kbd and uk.iso.kbd.  Both
of these have £ at shift-3 (above the letter keys, not on the numeric
keypad).

You can try out keyboards with the keymap command.

this should be in your /etc/rc.conf

keymap='uk.iso.kbd'

(or the other one, if you choose it.  Remember, the LAST assignment to
keymap in /etc/rc.conf wins)

Keymaps are exceeding easy to edit in FreeBSD, which is one of the reasons I
use FreeBSD instead of one of the many linux distros I have tried.  If you
want to give it a try, I suggest you back it up first.

cp uk.iso.kbd uk.iso.kbd.dist

will do.

Then to use your edited map enter

keymap='uk.iso.kbd'

Here are a few lines from uk.iso.kbd:

# alt
# scan   cntrl  altalt   cntrl lock
# code  base   shift  cntrl  shift  altshift  cntrl  shift state
# --
  000   nopnopnopnopnopnopnopnop O
  001   escescescescescescdebug  esc O
  002   '1''!'nopnop'`''`'nopnop O
  003   '2'''nulnul'@''@'nulnul O
  004   '3'163nopnop'#''#'nopnop O
  005   '4''$'164164'4''$'nopnop O
  006   '5''%'nopnop'5''%'nopnop O

The character code for £ is 163.  You get that from shift-3 (using the 3
from above the letter keys, not the numeric keypad).  The character code
for the Euro sign is 164.  You should be able to see that you get that from
cntrl-4.  If you had more use for that than $, you could switch them by
editing line 005 to read:

  005   '4'164'$'164'4''$'nopnop O

If you have an edited keymap you like, keep a copy in a safe place (like
your home directory) in case it get stomped when you upgrade your system.


If you do not have root access, you can change keymaps with kbdcontrol,
and you could change fonts and video modes with vidcontrol.  (See the man
pages for each if you are interested.)  You could put these in the dot file
for your particular shell to have them take effect when you login.

You can even change these on a per-application basis by using a shell script
to launch particular applications.  This might be useful, for example, if
you had applications that do not look right without the IBM box-drawing
characters.  You could use vidcontrol in a script to switch to cp437 before
calling the application and to switch back afterwards.  Fortunately many
applications these days know what to do or can be configured to do the right
thing without such drastic measures.

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Re: Remotely edit user disk quota

2009-05-29 Thread perryh
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:

 Even 15 seconds of thinking is enough to understand that logging
 to other user and then su - gives completely no extra security.

I don't buy this, given that root's login name is well known :)

If a system accepts remote root logins, an attacker need only guess
or intercept one thing -- the root password -- to log in with root
privileges.  If it does not accept remote root logins, that attacker
must guess or intercept three things:  the login name of a user in
the wheel group, that user's password, and also the root password.
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Re: character sets for file names on ufs?

2009-05-29 Thread perryh
Pieter de Goeje pie...@degoeje.nl wrote:

 % touch ??? ? ??  ?? ??? 
 % ls
 ??? ? ??  ?? ???
 % rm ???\ ?\ ??\ \ ??\ ???\
 %

 (I don't have a clue what that means btw)

Here it looks like a string of question marks and a few spaces.

I have a suspicion that something in the path between your keyboard
and my xterm is not 8-bit clean :(
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Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint

2009-05-29 Thread perryh
Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:

 ... If the printer has PS or PCL, gs or even apsfilter will help.

Dunno about PCL, but if the printer has PS it surely does not need
gs.  The whole point of gs -- in connection with printing -- is to
translate PS into some other form that a non-PS printer can handle.
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Re: character sets for file names on ufs?

2009-05-29 Thread Pieter de Goeje
On Friday 29 May 2009 10:20:15 per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
 Pieter de Goeje pie...@degoeje.nl wrote:
 
  % touch ??? ? ??  ?? ??? 
  % ls
  ??? ? ??  ?? ???
  % rm ???\ ?\ ??\ \ ??\ ???\
  %
 
  (I don't have a clue what that means btw)
 
 Here it looks like a string of question marks and a few spaces.
 
 I have a suspicion that something in the path between your keyboard
 and my xterm is not 8-bit clean :(
 

I think xterm cannot display the (braille) characters. I used konsole for this. 
The text was copied from UTF-8-Demo.txt [1].

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1. http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/examples/UTF-8-demo.txt
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Re: On the need for moderated questions lists

2009-05-29 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Fri, 29 May 2009 10:00:23 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar 
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
 nothing that prevent me from having an opinion about moderation and
 trying to explain to others that it make sense.

 While a change like this is possible, it is going to be very very hard.
 To change something so deeply ingrained into the whole `culture' of

 why adding extra moderated list is a change of deeply ingrained culture?
 Once again i'm not for shutting down that list.

Because we already _have_ a list `for general FreeBSD questions', and it
is open.  Adding even more lists to the mix will --at least initially--
only serve as a source of mild confusion.  Imagine you are a new FreeBSD
user.  You know absolutely nothing about all this moderated vs. open
list stuff.  You only happen to stumble upon a listing of the two places
on www.FreeBSD.org and their descriptions are:

freebsd-questions   - A list for general FreeBSD questions.
freebsd-questions-moderated - A moderated list for FreeBSD questions.

Now step back a bit, assume you are a new FreeBSD user, and you have to
decide where to post.  Where would you post and why?

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Re: 7-2 from scratch install , but no sound

2009-05-29 Thread Frank Bonnet
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Bruce Cran wrote:
 On Fri, 29 May 2009 09:37:14 +0200
 Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr wrote:
 
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 Hello

 I have freshly install a HPXW4200 ( i386 ) but
 sound system does not work

 I have gnome installed and all the above services are running

 moused_enable=YES
 nfs_client_enable=YES
 sshd_enable=YES
 linux_enable=YES
 postfix_enable=YES
 dovecot_enable=YES
 dbus_enable=YES
 gdm_enable=YES
 hald_enable=YES
 avahi_daemon_enable=YES
 apache22_enable=YES
 
 Have you loaded the sound driver? Check /dev/sndstat to see if it's
 running.
 

well ... it seems to be I loaded them by hand

lisa.esiee.fr  kldstat
Id Refs AddressSize Name
 1   42 0xc040 9fab28   kernel
 22 0xc0dfb000 289a4linux.ko
 31 0xc0e24000 75a7f4   nvidia.ko
 41 0xc157f000 6a45cacpi.ko
 51 0xc5b6b000 b000 ntfs.ko
 61 0xc6eca000 7000 snd_emu10k1.ko
 7   36 0xc94e 3f000sound.ko
 81 0xc5f6b000 2000 snd_driver.ko
 91 0xc94bd000 5000 snd_vibes.ko
101 0xc664a000 4000 snd_via82c686.ko
111 0xc94d1000 7000 snd_via8233.ko
121 0xc94d8000 5000 snd_t4dwave.ko
133 0xc5f6d000 3000 snd_spicds.ko
141 0xc951f000 5000 snd_solo.ko
154 0xc682e000 4000 snd_sbc.ko
161 0xc6a75000 4000 snd_sb8.ko
171 0xc6a97000 4000 snd_sb16.ko
181 0xc9524000 11000snd_neomagic.ko
192 0xc953f000 a000 snd_mss.ko
201 0xc9535000 9000 snd_maestro3.ko
211 0xc9551000 8000 snd_maestro.ko
221 0xc9549000 6000 snd_ich.ko
231 0xc956f000 19000snd_hda.ko
241 0xc6bfd000 4000 snd_fm801.ko
251 0xc9559000 5000 snd_ess.ko
261 0xc956 8000 snd_es137x.ko
271 0xc9588000 7000 snd_envy24ht.ko
281 0xc9594000 8000 snd_envy24.ko
291 0xc95b7000 12000snd_emu10kx.ko
301 0xc95c9000 b000 snd_ds1.ko
312 0xc959c000 7000 snd_csa.ko
321 0xc95a7000 5000 snd_cs4281.ko
331 0xc95b 5000 snd_cmi.ko
341 0xc95d4000 6000 snd_atiixp.ko
351 0xc95da000 5000 snd_als4000.ko
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Fwd: updating from 7.1 to 7.2 AMD64

2009-05-29 Thread Prokofyev Vladislav


 Very specifically that I was getting watchdog time outs and link status
 up down up on the re nic driver, hopefully 7.2 solves this.


 hmm i do have re(8) nic with 7.1 (6.3 before) - no problems. strange


almost the same.. three rl nic's with 7.0, no problems on all ifaces
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Re: UK Currency Symbol in 7.2 Console - A Question actually about FreeBSD

2009-05-29 Thread Graham Bentley

Lars,

Thanks for taking the time in your detailed reply and
I will look into your suggestions however one thing about
this eludes me ; I have never ever had to even think about
this until 7.2 [ie in all previous verisons I chose uk.iso and
swiss font - I always had £ key?]

Thanks in any case (the list works, long live the list!) 


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Re: Fresh install 7.2-RELEASE i386, X won't start

2009-05-29 Thread Leslie Jensen



Wojciech Puchar skrev:

Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server
(EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed
(EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed
Protocol not supported by server

Do you have
dbus_enable=YES
hald_enable=YES
in your /etc/rc.conf ?


Yes I have


If not: add them, reboot and try to create a new xorg.conf with
# Xorg -configure


Produces the same result :-(



wouldn't it be better to pkg_delete xserver, make config, turn off hal 
dependency and then install. Probably it will work fine then.


Sounds lika a good idea. I'll try it and repport back.
/Leslie
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Re: 7-2 from scratch install , but no sound

2009-05-29 Thread Bruce Cran
On Fri, 29 May 2009 11:01:33 +0200
Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr wrote:

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 Bruce Cran wrote:
  On Fri, 29 May 2009 09:37:14 +0200
  Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr wrote:
  
  -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
  Hash: SHA1
 
  Hello
 
  I have freshly install a HPXW4200 ( i386 ) but
  sound system does not work
 
  I have gnome installed and all the above services are running
 
  moused_enable=YES
  nfs_client_enable=YES
  sshd_enable=YES
  linux_enable=YES
  postfix_enable=YES
  dovecot_enable=YES
  dbus_enable=YES
  gdm_enable=YES
  hald_enable=YES
  avahi_daemon_enable=YES
  apache22_enable=YES
  
  Have you loaded the sound driver? Check /dev/sndstat to see if it's
  running.
  
 
 well ... it seems to be I loaded them by hand

What does /dev/sndstat contain?  You could also try running 'mixer'
to see what, if any, channels are set to.

-- 
Bruce
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Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint

2009-05-29 Thread Jerry
On Fri, 29 May 2009 09:34:36 +0200
Jonathan McKeown j.mcke...@ru.ac.za wrote:

On Thursday 28 May 2009 22:52:47 Jerry wrote:

 Did you ever bother to consider that if the printer manufacturers
 actually formed a consensus on a printer language, some third world
 county or the EU would probably sue them. Nothing I have seen in 20
 years equals the audacity of the EU. As long as no 'standard' no
 matter how arbitrary, stupid or counter-productive exists, they are
 in theory safe from the EU. Besides, nothing stifles development as
 tightly as being bound to an arbitrary 'standard'.

What a breathtakingly stupid remark.

The EU has acted against two companies (Microsoft and Intel) who have
used illegal business methods to protect and extend their monopolies
and suppress competition.

Or are you suggesting that a format or protocol which is implemented
by several different companies, allowing vendors to compete fairly on
other grounds (price, features, quality, ... ) while protecting
consumers by making it possible for them to move from one vendor to
another, is somehow a worse idea than a proprietary format or protocol
which is forced into a market-dominating position by illegal tactics
such as paying manufacturers extra to incorporate it, or penalising
them financially for providing competing products?

The concept behind the EU is socialism, pure and simple. It attempts to
create an artificial playing field that allows the incompetent to
compete with the motivated. It forces those who create new technology
to share it, usually sans monetary compensation, with common bottom
feeders. A free, open market is the way to encourage development and
new ideas and technology. Not some pathetic, socialistic concept.

If that's the case, why is no-one trying to use the courts to prevent
the use of ODF, a published standard which is now used by several
companies and Free Software projects to provide a common format for
documents?

Once a company dominates a particular market it's held to a different
standard than other companies in that market - because the power of
the monopoly can be used not only to prevent competition in the
original market, but to extend the market domination into new markets,
by techniques like product tying, distributing at below cost
(effectively drawing subsidy from the original monopoly product) until
competitors are driven out of business, and so on.

A company has the right to disperse their product as they see fit. I
know a socialist like you finds that abhorrent; however, it is never the
less true. Tell me, if I wanted to sell you a $300 thousand dollar
Ferrari for $10, would you: A: complain to the police or what ever legal
authority you feel so fit to complain to; B: slam $10 in my hand in a
heart beat? I think we know the answer. You are a hypocrite.

Has it ever occurred to you how a company grows and becomes successful?
I know, in your world it is by using the Government to squash
competition; however, in a truly free society, it is by hard word and
giving the consumer what they want at a price they are willing to pay.
Basic business 101.

Microsoft has been convicted of doing all these things, in US courts,
in courts in Asia, and in courts in Europe. These are matters of fact,
not opinion.

Intel has been convicted of many of these things in courts in Asia and
in Europe.

The fact that the US system is too supine to take action against these 
companies doesn't make the EU ``arrogant''. Let's not forget why Unix
took off and expanded the way it did: once upon a time the US courts
did take antitrust seriously, and prevented ATT using its telco
monopoly to expand into market domination of the computer business.

The spinelessness of the American court system is that they do not take
legal action against European countries that practice reverse
discrimination, or the outright breach of copyright laws, etc. I know,
you socialists also abhor copyright laws. The concept of an individual
actually benefiting from his/her hard work and not having to share it
with every scum sucker who comes begging at his door disturbs you.


-- 
Jerry
ges...@yahoo.com

All God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in
fact, barely presentable.

Fran Lebowitz, Metropolitan Life


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Re: 7-2 from scratch install , but no sound

2009-05-29 Thread Frank Bonnet
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 Hello

 I have freshly install a HPXW4200 ( i386 ) but
 sound system does not work

 I have gnome installed and all the above services are running

 moused_enable=YES
 nfs_client_enable=YES
 sshd_enable=YES
 linux_enable=YES
 postfix_enable=YES
 dovecot_enable=YES
 dbus_enable=YES
 gdm_enable=YES
 hald_enable=YES
 avahi_daemon_enable=YES
 apache22_enable=YES
 Have you loaded the sound driver? Check /dev/sndstat to see if it's
 running.

 well ... it seems to be I loaded them by hand
 
 What does /dev/sndstat contain?  You could also try running 'mixer'
 to see what, if any, channels are set to.
 

yes ... strange everything seems OK but ... still no sound
when I try to use the gnome sound manager it says

Waiting for sound system to respond



cat /dev/sndstat
FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm: 32bit 2007061600/i386)
Installed devices:
pcm0: Intel ICH6 (82801FB) at io 0xf0200800, 0xf0200a00 irq 21 bufsz
16384  [MPSAFE] (1p:1v/1r:1v channels duplex default)

mixer
Mixer vol  is currently set to  75:75
Mixer pcm  is currently set to  75:75
Mixer line is currently set to  75:75
Mixer mic  is currently set to   0:0
Mixer cd   is currently set to  75:75
Mixer rec  is currently set to   0:0
Mixer igainis currently set to   0:0
Mixer ogainis currently set to  50:50
Mixer line1is currently set to  75:75
Mixer phin is currently set to   0:0
Mixer phoutis currently set to   0:0
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Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar

itself, and how much of stupid-written PHP programs



I don't think PHP itself is buggy, in fact I think badly written C
programs are responsible for far more lossage.


It all depends who write programs.
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Re: Remotely edit user disk quota

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar

for running telnet - even in a secure (ha!) environment - when so much
better alternatives exist.

Let me shoot you a hypothetical: your webserver gets compromised.


Something I pointed out earlier.


and what? assuming it will actually be possible to get root access at all
because of bug it such buggy things like PHP, mysql etc. (unlikely) what he 
will do?

arp attack from within jail?

But just please accept that other people are DIFFERENT than you.

You prefer just repeating things that you considered simply the best 
once (like ssh), i prefer something more.

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Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar

CUPS isn't extra software in my opinions.


CUPS is a PITA, but it may nevertheless be the least bad
solution if one is stuck with a junk printer.


i really have nicer things to do that fighting with winprinter, when i can 
get normal printer for really low price.



Decent, network-capable, PostScript printers do not have to be
costly.  I bought a Samsung ML-2571N at Fry's for something like
$60(US) a year or two ago.  All I had to do was plug it into the
network, add its IP address to /etc/hosts, add a suitable entry
to /etc/printcap, and lpr just works.  No need to bother with
CUPS.


postscript printers are easiest, but PCL as not much more difficult, just 
write simple filter using ghostscript.


Even not write - just modify existing examples like below

#!/bin/sh
#
#  ifhp - Print Ghostscript-simulated PostScript on a DesJet 500
#  Installed in /usr/local/libexec/hpif

#
#  Treat LF as CR+LF:
#
printf \033k2G || exit 2

#
#  Read first two characters of the file
#
read first_line
first_two_chars=`expr $first_line : '\(..\)'`

if [ $first_two_chars = %! ]; then
#
#  It is PostScript; use Ghostscript to scan-convert and print it
#
/usr/local/bin/gs -dSAFER -dNOPAUSE -q -sPAPERSIZE=a4 -sDEVICE=ljet4 
-sOutputFile=- - \
 exit 0

else
#
#  Plain text or HP/PCL, so just print it directly; print a form
#  at the end to eject the last page.
#
echo $first_line  cat  printf \f  exit 0
fi

exit 2

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pppoe routing problem, default route isnt used for some hosts

2009-05-29 Thread Fabian Holler
Hello,

I have an strange routing problem. I can't connect to some hosts in the
internet till I add an explicit route for this hosts with my default gw
as gateway.
There aren't any other routes that could match the destination IP for
non-working hosts. So the connection should also without an explicit
route for this Hosts use the default gw.

My Setup:
FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE
mppd to make an PPPOE connection to my internet service
provider.
PF as firewall

To isolate the problem I used an minimal pf.conf:
---
inetif=ng0
lanif=vr0

scrub all max-mss 1492
pass quick on lo0 all
pass out on $inetif proto { tcp udp icmp } all keep state
pass on $lanif from any to any
---
I also tried pppd instead of mppd(dont helps).


Hosts that I can't connect to, are ie spiegel.de, tagesschau.de, freebsd.org
southparkstudios.com
I.e
TCP connections to Port 80 of southparkstudios.com dont work.
If I add an explicit route:
route add southparkstudios.com 213.191.84.199
Connections with nc to port 80 works
(the connections tests are made from the router, the iface MTUs are correct)

Anybody have an idea what could be wrong?

I have no idea anymore
(its also not an provider problem, when i made the pppoe connection from 
windows I can connect to alls hosts)


thanks for any hints:)

best regards

Fabian


-
My routing table:

# netstat -ra
Routing tables

Internet:
DestinationGatewayFlagsRefs  Use  Netif Expire
defaultlo1.br04.weham.de. UGS 015505ng0
1.1.1.10x1010101  link#1 UC  00rl0
exxx45031.adsl.al lo0UHS 00lo0
localhost  localhost  UH  0  433lo0
192.168.113.0  link#2 UC  00vr0
xyz 00:30:18:ad:26:88  UHLW124005lo0
mail.xyz.ath.cx 00:30:18:ad:26:88  UHLW186400lo0
http.xyz.ath.cx 00:30:18:ad:26:88  UHLW1  770lo0
192.168.113.255ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff  UHLWb   1 3228vr0
lo1.br04.weham.de. e176145031.adsl.al UH  10ng0

[... ipv6 stuff]


Interface infos:

# netstat -ira
NameMtu Network   Address  Ipkts IerrsOpkts Oerrs  Coll
rl01492 Link#1  00:02:2a:b0:4a:e0 26128479 0 19855993 0 0
  01:00:5e:00:00:010  0
rl01492 1.1.1.10x101 1.1.1.1  0 - 2653 - -
  ALL-SYSTEMS.MCAST
vr01500 Link#2  00:30:18:ad:26:88 12662831 0 17678949 0 0
  01:00:5e:00:00:01 2038  0
vr01500 192.168.113.0 xyz 9745471 - 13639692 - -
  ALL-SYSTEMS.MCAST
vr01500 192.168.113.0 mail.xyz.a   291626 -86404 - -
  ALL-SYSTEMS.MCAST
vr01500 192.168.113.0 http.xyz.a 6814 -  770 - -
  ALL-SYSTEMS.MCAST
lo0   16384 Link#3  113929 0   113929 0 0
lo0   16384 fe80:3::1 fe80:3::10 -0 - -
  ff01:3::1  (refs: 1)
  ff02:3::2:a61d:93b4(refs: 1)
  ff02:3::1  (refs: 1)
  ff02:3::1:ff00:1   (refs: 1)
lo0   16384 localhost ::1  0 -0 - -
  ff01:3::1  (refs: 1)
  ff02:3::2:a61d:93b4(refs: 1)
  ff02:3::1  (refs: 1)
  ff02:3::1:ff00:1   (refs: 1)
lo0   16384 your-net  localhost  433 - 2433 - -
  ALL-SYSTEMS.MCAST
pflog 33204 Link#4   0 080567 0 0
tun0*  1500 Link#5   78331 076381 0 0
tun99  1500 Link#6 353 0  375 0 0
ng01492 Link#717114096 0 13449463 0 0
ng01492 85.176.145.31 e176145031.adsl.a12398 -17011 - -
  ALL-SYSTEMS.MCAST


mpd.conf:

default:
load PPPoE
PPPoE:
new -i ng0 PPPoE PPPoE
set iface addrs 1.1.1.1 2.2.2.2
set iface route default
set iface enable on-demand
set iface idle 0
set bundle disable multilink
set bundle authname xxy
set iface disable tcpmssfix
set link no acfcomp protocomp
set link disable pap chap
set link accept chap
set link mtu 1492
set link mru 1492
set link keep-alive 10 60
set ipcp yes vjcomp
set iface enable tcpmssfix#I know pf also do this in my setup, but Iam 
despaired:)
set ipcp ranges 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0
set nat disable
log +link
open 

Re: Fwd: updating from 7.1 to 7.2 AMD64

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar




hmm i do have re(8) nic with 7.1 (6.3 before) - no problems. strange



almost the same.. three rl nic's with 7.0, no problems on all ifaces


rl and re are different drivers for different chips, just both produced by 
realtek ;)

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Re: Remotely edit user disk quota

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar

Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:


Even 15 seconds of thinking is enough to understand that logging
to other user and then su - gives completely no extra security.


I don't buy this, given that root's login name is well known :)


if someone can intercept the passwords you type, then he/she will 
intercept both user password you log in and then su password you type.


He/she actually can gain more if you use su, as you may use the same user 
password somewhere else.

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Re: 7-2 from scratch install , but no sound

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar

Mixer vol  is currently set to  75:75
Mixer pcm  is currently set to  75:75
Mixer line is currently set to  75:75
Mixer mic  is currently set to   0:0
Mixer cd   is currently set to  75:75
Mixer rec  is currently set to   0:0
Mixer igainis currently set to   0:0
Mixer ogainis currently set to  50:50
Mixer line1is currently set to  75:75
Mixer phin is currently set to   0:0
Mixer phoutis currently set to   0:0


looks absolutely fine.

i don't know what's gnome doing but try

cat /dev/random /dev/audio

and tell if you hear the noise
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Re: On the need for moderated questions lists

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar


Because we already _have_ a list `for general FreeBSD questions', and it
is open.  Adding even more lists to the mix will --at least initially--
only serve as a source of mild confusion.  Imagine you are a new FreeBSD
user.


Try to imagine it now.

i see the webpage, the mailing lists, and ftp with installs and 
documentation.


webpage - clear, understandable, read and understood
documentation - simply excellent, nothing else to say.
unmoderated mailing lists - total off-topic mess, is it really FreeBSD 
support? or maybe it's a chat.
moderated mailing list - not very much here, but at least about FreeBSD. 
for sure i will ask here if i will need help with FreeBSD.


Of course after reading documentation and trying to learn myself.


Lets compare it to many other people with different and more common 
expectations. What he/she thinks:


webpage - quite not trendy, so little graphics, anyway clear i go forward
documentation - what it is? some technical info for programmers i think. 
but why they put it here? OK lets skip this.

ftp with install - OK finally something !
and he/she booted the CD/DVD and by just clicking OK installed FreeBSD by 
accident. And then don't know what's up.


So he/she needs help and see:

moderated mailing list - hmm.. looks somehow too technical, i don't 
understand anything.


unmoderated mailing lists - EXCELLENT, they even tell my how to install 
KDE!


Then he/she installs KDE, is proud about having such professional unix 
system on his/her computer. After few months and lots of questions on 
mailing list he/she still doesn't understand at all what's happening on 
the computer. Proudness already faded and he/she installs windows back.


In windows he/she too - don't understand what's going on, but at least 
it's clear way how to install programs (just click), and he/she THINKS she 
understand something.



At the end - ALL ARE HAPPY.
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Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar

The concept behind the EU is socialism, pure and simple. It attempts to


unfortunately yes. and i'm so unfortunate to live here. Strange enough 
Poland are fortunately very behind in this at least under current 
government, but the question is how long...



feeders. A free, open market is the way to encourage development and
new ideas and technology. Not some pathetic, socialistic concept.


Free means everybody will decide if to share ideas and work or not, 
instead of beaurocratic parasites deciding for them.


If anyone thinks that there will be no sharing then - welcome to FreeBSD 
:)


IMHO Really good deal of code in this system is something that people 
wrote themselves because they needed for their business, and then gave it 
back without any force. am i right?



A company has the right to disperse their product as they see fit. I
know a socialist like you finds that abhorrent; however, it is never the


He fortunately isn't dangerous socialist, just repeating what 
he learned from constant propaganda. nothing else.


Those who tell similar ideas just because he want to get into politics or 
become a clerk to get easily money - are bad but still not as dangerous.


The really dangerous are those who really truly believe in that shit and 
do everything to make it happen.


In computer world Richard Stallman is good example with his GNU ideas and 
communist licence.


Developing things under GNU licence is complete waste of time, as less and 
less companies will use it's product.


Does it make sense that - for example - i develop quite complex 
software/hardware and just used some simple part of GNU code to save time 
and not reinvent a wheel - and then i have to share ALL MY WORK, including 
my trade secrets?


No it doesn't, i would rather seek for BSD licenced things, use it, then 
contribute back any improvement i made to it.


Not because some f..n EU clerk requested me to do this, but because i get 
something and want to reward.

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Re: Fresh install 7.2-RELEASE i386, X won't start

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar

Produces the same result :-(



wouldn't it be better to pkg_delete xserver, make config, turn off hal 
dependency and then install. Probably it will work fine then.


Sounds lika a good idea. I'll try it and repport back.
/Leslie



of course turn off hald, and run moused.
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Re: What is this forum for?

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar


Actually, this looks far more about interoperability, especially since
as you said, the 200 GB _is_ _for_ _FreeBSD_

Just because you don't know the answer to a question doesn't mean it's
off-topic.


for you - as usual - everything i wrote is the proof i don't know the 
answer.


You are boring with this
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Re: On the need for moderated questions lists

2009-05-29 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Fri, 29 May 2009 13:01:04 +0200 (CEST),
Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
 Because we already _have_ a list `for general FreeBSD questions', and it
 is open.  Adding even more lists to the mix will --at least initially--
 only serve as a source of mild confusion.  Imagine you are a new FreeBSD
 user.

 Try to imagine it now.

 i see the webpage, the mailing lists, and ftp with installs and
 documentation.

 webpage - clear, understandable, read and understood
 documentation - simply excellent, nothing else to say.
 unmoderated mailing lists - total off-topic mess, is it really FreeBSD
   support? or maybe it's a chat.
 moderated mailing list - not very much here, but at least about
   FreeBSD. for sure i will ask here if i will need help with FreeBSD.

This includes at least two hypothetical scenarios:

  a) That the current list is an off-topic 'mess'.
  b) That a moderated list would not be a 'mess'.

The 'mess' you are basing the rest of the arguments on is an unproven
hypothesis until you go through all the trouble of proving it.

I, for example, do not consider the current freebsd-questions a 'mess' by
any far stretch of imagination.  I like the people who hang out here and
explain what amusing and wonderful things they can do with FreeBSD.  I have
even learned new and exciting things by simply lurking here and watching
the replies others are giving.

So you have at least one important step before convincing the postmasters
that we need to 'fix' a problem:

Collect data and summarize it in a very concise and readable
way that proves there *is* a problem.

Note that this is going to be a bit tricky though.  A great percentage of
the posts in this very same thread may fall in the 'off topic' category you
are trying to describe.  Many of them have been sent by none other than the
person who defines this particular notion of off-topic-ness: you again.

It may be worth stopping for a moment to think about it.  If this very same
list was one that matches what you describe you would have *never* been
free to post a great deal of the messages you are posting now.

Would you choose to subscribe to it then?  Would you still enjoy being a
party in the collective group of people who post on this discussion forum?

If the answer is 'no', then it means your ideal state of this list is a bit
less than 'ideal', because it would fail to satisfy even you, the one who
defined this ideal.

If the answer is 'yes', then it means that you actually enjoy being free to
post in a discussion forum that is open to all sorts of FreeBSD topics, as
long as they have even the smallest semblance of a question (i.e. one valid
question is then 'What is FreeBSD and why should I prefer it over Linux?').
But if the openness of the list is actually a nice attribute, then the
effort to close it down or to introduce a less enjoyable form of a list for
general FreeBSD questions is a bit wrong.

It's really a very strange argument the one you are trying to make, and you
haven't even *started* to prove that there is a 'mess', to base it upon.

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Re: On the need for moderated questions lists

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar

  FreeBSD. for sure i will ask here if i will need help with FreeBSD.


This includes at least two hypothetical scenarios:

 a) That the current list is an off-topic 'mess'.


it is and will be.


 b) That a moderated list would not be a 'mess'.


b is implicit if rules will be clearly defined.


   Collect data and summarize it in a very concise and readable
   way that proves there *is* a problem.


already told you i will


Note that this is going to be a bit tricky though.  A great percentage of
the posts in this very same thread may fall in the 'off topic' category you


i will try to exclude flamewar posts at all from statistic.


It may be worth stopping for a moment to think about it.  If this very same
list was one that matches what you describe you would have *never* been
free to post a great deal of the messages you are posting now.


so i will not. simple.



Would you choose to subscribe to it then?  Would you still enjoy being a


For sure. i will be subscribed to moderated list when i could get help and 
could help normal unix users about FreeBSD.


I will probably be still subscribed to not moderated one and look 
sometimes when i will have free time and good humour to have lots of fun, 
explain to KDE/Gnome/windows fans what unix is, talk about politics, 
global warming and nice girls etc. etc.

Or maybe sometimes even get help or be helpful, for example with questions
like do you know a program that do this and that?. This is an example 
when i've actually got help and was off topic.


That's why i say that off topic list must be kept too as is.

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Re: 7-2 from scratch install , but no sound

2009-05-29 Thread Frank Bonnet
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Wojciech Puchar wrote:
 Mixer vol  is currently set to  75:75
 Mixer pcm  is currently set to  75:75
 Mixer line is currently set to  75:75
 Mixer mic  is currently set to   0:0
 Mixer cd   is currently set to  75:75
 Mixer rec  is currently set to   0:0
 Mixer igainis currently set to   0:0
 Mixer ogainis currently set to  50:50
 Mixer line1is currently set to  75:75
 Mixer phin is currently set to   0:0
 Mixer phoutis currently set to   0:0
 
 looks absolutely fine.
 
 i don't know what's gnome doing but try
 
 cat /dev/random /dev/audio
 
 and tell if you hear the noise

nothing

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Growing a ZFS file system

2009-05-29 Thread Mike Barnard
Hi,

I have a zfs pool of about 700GB, on it, i have a file system, home, mounted
on /home and its 200GB. The file system has reached 100% capacity and im in
need of growing it... Unfortunately i cannot find any documentation on how
to grow a zfs file system. Any one done this?

PS: I want to grow my file system to 400GB

Regards,

Mike

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Re: Growing a ZFS file system

2009-05-29 Thread Valentin Bud
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Mike Barnard mike.barna...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi,

 I have a zfs pool of about 700GB, on it, i have a file system, home,
 mounted
 on /home and its 200GB. The file system has reached 100% capacity and im in
 need of growing it... Unfortunately i cannot find any documentation on how
 to grow a zfs file system. Any one done this?

 PS: I want to grow my file system to 400GB

 Regards,

 Mike

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If you mounted /honme as a file system on the pool of 700 GB and you didn't
used any attributes
of zfs to force /home to have *only* 200GB than you just have to remove the
attributes regarding the space.

ZFS grows automatically, you don't have to manually enlarge it.
The above is true if the filesystem is ZFS not UFS on top of ZFS.

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Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar


Anyway i am against any such regulations. Free Market is a best regulator.
As people DO LIKE their products and the slavery by using them - their
problem.



Do you really think the free market protects our freedoms?

When it's FREE it does.

Of course there are lot of people that believe in socialism and other 
nonsense about controlling free market. And the more controlled market is, 
the worse is life, add constant brainwashing to this, and EVEN more people 
start to believe in it, then it gets even worse until everything falls 
completely.


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Re: character sets for file names on ufs?

2009-05-29 Thread Tom Worster
On 5/28/09 3:01 PM, Pieter de Goeje pie...@degoeje.nl wrote:

 If you set your locale to UTF-8, you can use unicode characters in filenames.


works like a charm. thanks for the tip!

tom 


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Re: 7-7.2 upgrade, websvn

2009-05-29 Thread Greg Larkin
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 a user tells that he gets, using websvn
  Error running this command: svn --config-dir /tmp --version
svn: not found
 anyone a similar experience?
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Hi Pieter,

I haven't run into that problem yet, but here are some questions to help
troubleshoot it:

- - Dumb question alert :-) I assume that websvn and svn were installed
from ports on the 7.0 system?

- - On the upgraded system, what is the output of pkg_info | grep -i
websvn and pkg_info | grep -i subversion?

- - Has the websvn config file been edited to point to the svn executable?
   Specifically, you may need to add this line:

$config-setSVNCommandPath(/usr/local/bin/);

Hope that helps, and post the answers to those questions back here.

Cheers,
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Re: Need sed to do something which sounds simple

2009-05-29 Thread Manish Jain

Paul Schmehl wrote:
--On Thursday, May 28, 2009 07:48:36 -0500 Manish Jain 
invalid.poin...@gmail.com wrote:





Hi,

I need sed to do something which sounds simple, but I can't figure out
the right command. All I need to do is insert a blank after a '}' at the
end of a line if the next line begins immediately afterwards (i.e. with
no blank line between).

//abc.cpp :
int myclass::fx(int * arg)
{
if(! (isValid()))
{
return -1;
}
return ptr-fx(arg);
}

//what-i-want.cpp :
int myclass::fx(int * arg)
{
if(! (isValid()))
{
return -1;
}

return ptr-fx(arg);
}

The commands I have tried are :

i)
sed -e 's/\(}$\)\n\(^[[:space:]]*[[:alpha:]]\+\)/\1\n\n\2/' \
abc.cpp  what-i-want.cpp

ii)
sed -e 's/\(}$\)\(^[[:space:]]*[[:alpha:]]\+\)/\1\n\2/' \
abc.cpp  what-i-want.cpp

but obviously neither works, which is why posting this message.

Can anybody please tell me what the correct command would be like ?



Seems like this would work to add a space only to lines where the next 
line only has a new line :


sed  '  /\}$/ { N /}$\n\n/ { s/\}$\n/\} $\n/} } ' file

If the possibility exists that the new line might have spaces as well, 
you could do this:


sed  '  /\}$/ { N /}$\n\n/ { s/\}$\n[ ]?/\} $\n/} } '

Note: I haven't tested this, so it may require some modification.  Read 
this page on dealing with multiple lines in sed to gain further 
understanding - http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Sed.html





Hello Paul,

After reading the sed document, the following worked for me :


sed '
/}$/ {
N
s/}\n\([[:space:]]\+\)\n*/}\n\n\1/
}' abc.cpp  what-i-want.cpp


This keeps the indentation intact.

Thanks for the help 
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Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint

2009-05-29 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 29 May 2009 01:09:45 -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
 CUPS is a PITA, but it may nevertheless be the least bad
 solution if one is stuck with a junk printer.

Don't get me wrong, please: I do not like CUPS, and I don't
use it (I prefer apsfilter). CUPS requires too much dependencies
that I don't have any use for.

But regarding its alternatives... there are none. Those modern#
printers can usually only get to work using CUPS, because apsfilter
doesn't support the most modern printers, has no support for
PPD files (as far as I know, never needed it), and the printers
itself cannot be made confirming to standards.



 Decent, network-capable, PostScript printers do not have to be
 costly. 

I didn't say they have. It's always a question of the printers
quality (how good it works, how long it works) and the amount
of toner they come with; for inkjet stuff, criteria are similar
(allthough I don't know an inkjet printer with PS and network).
Even used stuff, therefore cheap, is still of high quality.



 I bought a Samsung ML-2571N at Fry's for something like
 $60(US) a year or two ago.  All I had to do was plug it into the
 network, add its IP address to /etc/hosts, add a suitable entry
 to /etc/printcap, and lpr just works.  No need to bother with
 CUPS.

Done the same with HP Laserjet 4000 duplex - it even received
an IP automatically via DHCP, so I just had to arp -a and
edit /etc/hosts and /etc/printcap. The lpq / lprm tools seemed
to operate on the printer server inside the printer.



 For color, I got a
 Xerox printer or a few hundred US$ a while back.  Like the Samsung
 it has PostScript, networking, and lpd support built in; another
 pair of /etc/hosts and /etc/printcap entries and lpr just works
 for it also.

I'll note this for the upcoming topic of getting a color laser
printer some times in the future. :-)


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Re: Growing a ZFS file system

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar


I have a zfs pool of about 700GB, on it, i have a file system, home, mounted
on /home and its 200GB. The file system has reached 100% capacity and im in


zfs doesn't have static allocation of space for subfilesystems at all!

you just have set a quota

RTFM - to be exact
man zfs

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Re: On the need for moderated questions lists

2009-05-29 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Fri, 29 May 2009 13:55:56 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar 
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
 FreeBSD. for sure i will ask here if i will need help with FreeBSD.

 This includes at least two hypothetical scenarios:

 a) That the current list is an off-topic 'mess'.

 it is and will be.

 b) That a moderated list would not be a 'mess'.

 b is implicit if rules will be clearly defined.

Not necessarily.

There were 'rules' in Nazi Germany too, and there usually exist at least
some 'rules' in oppressive regimes, but they do not necessarily, by
virtue of their mere existence, lead to satisfying results.

But this is a philosophical digression that may be more interesting for
other discussion forums.

Collect data and summarize it in a very concise and readable
way that proves there *is* a problem.

 already told you i will

Thank you!  I'll be watching for interesting updates :)

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Re: 7-2 from scratch install , but no sound

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar


cat /dev/random /dev/audio

and tell if you hear the noise


nothing

so it's all fine with config. i would do sent-pr because it's driver 
problem. I think it's just matter of simple quirk with not-really-compatible 
hardware.


Assuming that something isn't broken with it.
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Re: character sets for file names on ufs?

2009-05-29 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 29 May 2009 01:20:15 -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
 Pieter de Goeje pie...@degoeje.nl wrote:
 
  % touch ??? ? ??  ?? ??? 
  % ls
  ??? ? ??  ?? ???
  % rm ???\ ?\ ??\ \ ??\ ???\
  %
 
  (I don't have a clue what that means btw)
 
 Here it looks like a string of question marks and a few spaces.
 
 I have a suspicion that something in the path between your keyboard
 and my xterm is not 8-bit clean :(

Now, because of quoting, I see the question marks, too. Before
the characters seemed to be Braille characters (dotmatrix
characters in a 2x3 matrix to be read by blind persons), but
I can't remember the letters anymore in order to translate. :-)

By the way, I'm using Sylpheed 2.4.7.




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Re: libapreq2 broken?

2009-05-29 Thread Greg Larkin
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Erik Norgaard wrote:
 Hi:
 
 I recently upgraded to FBSD7.2 and decided to upgrade my ports as well,
 upgrading perl to 5.10. Now www/libapreq2 won't build:
 
 cd perl; gmake
 gmake[2]: Entering directory
 `/usr/local/ports/www/libapreq2/work/libapreq2-2.12/glue/perl'
 cp lib/Apache2/Cookie.pm blib/lib/Apache2/Cookie.pm
 cp lib/Apache2/Upload.pm blib/lib/Apache2/Upload.pm
 cp lib/Apache2/Request.pm blib/lib/Apache2/Request.pm
 cp lib/APR/DummyVersions.pm blib/lib/APR/DummyVersions.pm
 make: don't know how to make w. Stop
 gmake[2]: *** [subdirs] Error 2
 gmake[2]: Leaving directory
 `/usr/local/ports/www/libapreq2/work/libapreq2-2.12/glue/perl'
 gmake[1]: *** [perl_glue] Error 2
 gmake[1]: Leaving directory
 `/usr/local/ports/www/libapreq2/work/libapreq2-2.12/glue'
 gmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
 *** Error code 1
 
 Stop in /usr/local/ports/www/libapreq2.
 
 clearly, gmake fails, but since perl generates the Makefile, could this
 be a problem caused by upgrade to 5.10? Any solution?
 
 Thanks, Erik
 

Hi Erik,

I can confirm that this is also a problem on 7.0-RELEASE with Perl 5.8.9
installed.  I'm pretty sure I've seen an error like this while working
on a port a few months back.  I'll take a look and see if I can jog my
memory about what the solution was.

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Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar

But regarding its alternatives... there are none. Those modern#
printers can usually only get to work using CUPS, because apsfilter


there are. don't use these modern printers. Of course not all of them.

It's natural that you buy hardware that will be supported by software you 
use. CUPS is like workaround for me.



Decent, network-capable, PostScript printers do not have to be
costly.


I didn't say they have. It's always a question of the printers


postscript printer is the simplest solution. anyway - they MAY NOT print 
every page because they have limited hardware capacity and may be not able 
to process overcomplex postscript files.


Possibly not a big deal today as their capacity is better than before, but 
in case of problems you may use ghostscript as ps-to-ps filter.



quality (how good it works, how long it works) and the amount
of toner they come with; for inkjet stuff, criteria are similar


Unless you need to print no more than 10 pages a month, i recommend 
against buying any inkjet printer. They are incredibly costly to use, even 
when being damn cheap to buy.



Done the same with HP Laserjet 4000 duplex - it even received
an IP automatically via DHCP, so I just had to arp -a and
edit /etc/hosts and /etc/printcap. The lpq / lprm tools seemed
to operate on the printer server inside the printer.


For non-ethernet printers like my laserjet 4 there are often available 
original print server modules for them for really nothing (i paid 10$)


if not, and you need ethernet connectivity, then this

http://www.edimax.com/en/produce_detail.php?pd_id=50pl1_id=7pl2_id=34

is a perfect choice. i recommend it for every unix user.

As they are advertised as mostly for windows, i actually found configuring 
it under unix very simple exactly as you said (/etc/printcap), while 
incredibly complex under windows ;)


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Re: On the need for moderated questions lists

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar


Not necessarily.

There were 'rules' in Nazi Germany too, and there usually exist at least
some 'rules' in oppressive regimes, but they do not necessarily, by
virtue of their mere existence, lead to satisfying results.


The difference is that you have choice here, people living in Nazi Germany 
(and Poland) that times didn't.




already told you i will


Thank you!  I'll be watching for interesting updates :)



OK no later than tomorrow morning
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Re: 7-7.2 upgrade, websvn

2009-05-29 Thread Pieter Donche

On Fri, 29 May 2009, Greg Larkin wrote:


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Pieter Donche wrote:
 Recently upgraded 7.0-7.2
 a user tells that he gets, using websvn
  Error running this command: svn --config-dir /tmp --version
svn: not found
 anyone a similar experience?
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I haven't run into that problem yet, but here are some questions to help
troubleshoot it:

- - Dumb question alert :-) I assume that websvn and svn were installed
from ports on the 7.0 system?

svn from ports, websvn from tarball (used by 1 user) in his public_html
directory.


- - On the upgraded system, what is the output of pkg_info | grep -i
websvn and pkg_info | grep -i subversion?

$ pkg_info | grep -i subversion
subversion-1.6.2Version control system
websvn is the very latest version 2.2.1


- - Has the websvn config file been edited to point to the svn executable?
   Specifically, you may need to add this line:
$config-setSVNCommandPath(/usr/local/bin/);

as I understood from my yser, nothing of that was previously set
(SVNCommandPath, diff, tar, gzip etc... )
Setting it makes indeed svn to be found, 
but then I wonder why it worked before 7.2?

(phpinfo shows that PHP environment PATH (as well as Apache PATH) are
/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin
(can't remember if it was somehting different before 7.2, but our
/usr/local/etc/php.ini hasn't changed for months..)
(the example lines commented out)


Hope that helps, and post the answers to those questions back here.

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Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint

2009-05-29 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 29 May 2009 09:48:29 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar 
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
 maybe yet? but yes - i think the first poster exaggerated things. UE 
 doesn't (yet?) fights with open standard. They even say they are promoting 
 it. Of course best they can do is not to do anything.

In fact, they're simply ignoring it.



 If they would like to really punish MS, fines will be much higher and 
 MEANINGFUL to microsoft.

But that's not intended, as you pointed out. The situation SHOULD
not change; the question is just: How can we (the EU) get some
money out of this situation, and maybe repeat it at another time
(which requires that nothing changes)?



 The government is always a SOURCE, not solution to a problem.

I may illustrate this with an example from Germany:

Politicians, accompanied by their counselors from the industry,
released rules about what software to use in schools and in
professional schools, in ministries, in executive organs.
This choice is always Windows (allthough obviously outdated
versions), and only in the mission critical fields mainframes
are used (IBM mostly, and Siemens).

This leads to two important facts:

1. Children who learn in school do only learn Windows. They
get knowledge that they can't use on more modern Windows
systems anymore. Example: In school they have Windows 2000
with Word '97. Then, they encounter Windows XP with some
newer Office (in worst case, the one with that strange GUI
concept).

2. Educational companies who educate professional pupils (in
preparation for a job) are explicitely regulated which Windows
to use. They get money if they meet the requirements. This
money, of course, comes from taxes (and I'm sure you know
where taxes come from). As soon as a company would say, We
want to prepare our pupils for the growing importance of
Linux and UNIX in the corporate world, so we want to offer
a class for Linux beginners, they would get no money for
it (allthough Linux itself is free of charge, PCs aren't).

In these settings where Windows is used, there's almost
no one who can administer the systems nearly correctly.
This is because of the misbelief that Windows administers
itself. In some cases, the maintainers of the PC classes
even don't bother installing expensive MICROS~1 products
that they got a pirated copy of on 30 PCs.

The teachers sometimes even don't have a clue about what
they should teach.

Pupils leaving these edicational companies treat PCs like
worse typewriters and usually aren't able to use any kind
of text processing software halfways properly. When they
enter a job, they recognize that they haven't learned
anything useful.

Nobody cares.

You see: Politicians (those who are responsible for the
decisions made) create their own problems - they are the
source of the problems.


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Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint

2009-05-29 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 29 May 2009 01:35:00 -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
 Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
 
  ... If the printer has PS or PCL, gs or even apsfilter will help.
 
 Dunno about PCL, but if the printer has PS it surely does not need
 gs.  The whole point of gs -- in connection with printing -- is to
 translate PS into some other form that a non-PS printer can handle.

You're correct, PS doesn't need gs. Because most (all?) applications
output PS when printing (that's a standard), the data can be sent
directly to the printer that processes it.

In case of PCL, apsfilter is quite okay, but you can just employ
gs to do the work, so apsfilter is not neededly required. It can
add some functionality.



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upcupsd / freebsdd

2009-05-29 Thread Pieter Donche

I'm putting a APC1000 UPS with APC Network Management Card (AP9617)
to freebsd system with apcupsd, via ethernet cable over SNMP.
apcsupsd is running, apcaccess status returns the status variables.
When pulling out powercable of UPS and back in, I do get 'Warning power 
loss detected; Power failure: Running on UPS batteries; Power has 
returned. So far, so good.


The Overview page in the webinterface shows there is power in the
UPS form over 2 hours. How can I force a faster automatic freebsd
shutdown to see if it is working (can't wait 2 hours)

The web-interface  under UPS / Configuration / shutdown
shows (the defaults):
Start of the shutdown
 Low Battery Duration  02 min
 Shutdown Delay: 90 secs
 (max. Required Delay: 2 minutes)
 Basic Signaling Shutdown  (not checked) Enabled
Duration of Shutdown
 Sleep Time:0.0 hours
End of Shutdown
 Max Battery Capacity:  00 %
 Return Delay:  000 seconds

but do these refer to shutdown of a unix client or shutdown of the UPS 
itself?


The manual is confusing (it's linux oriented not freebsd) most referenced
files do not exist at the mentioned paths...
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Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar

it. Of course best they can do is not to do anything.


In fact, they're simply ignoring it.


The best they can do with anything that exist.


If they would like to really punish MS, fines will be much higher and
MEANINGFUL to microsoft.


But that's not intended, as you pointed out. The situation SHOULD
not change; the question is just: How can we (the EU) get some
money out of this situation, and maybe repeat it at another time
(which requires that nothing changes)?


Still this is not a problem for me as i do not use windows.
But it's bad as there are people that use windows because they want to and 
they should pay only for windows, no extra tax.


In the same time they do best possible marketing for microsoft - computer 
lesson in schools. But i don't opt to change it to use say FreeBSD in 
schools. I opt for removing computer lessons from public schools.
EVEN BETTER - to remove public schools at all, and not getting money 
for them by taxes. then parents could decide to what private school will 
children go, what will learn, and pay for it.



The government is always a SOURCE, not solution to a problem.




deleted part below after reading, as i don't have anything to add...

You just exactly described problem of public school's computer lesson.

But it's just part of a bigger problem - existence of public schools paid 
from out taxes.



The teachers sometimes even don't have a clue about what
they should teach.


This is not only on computer lessons.

Most teachers are just dumb, because there is no free-market mechanism to 
do the selection. If teacher will get employed in public school, it's 
really difficult to fire him/her out.


In schools i was, most teachers was simply dumb. I don't require wonders, 
but knowing basics of physics is quite important requirement of being 
physics teacher.


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Re: libapreq2 broken?

2009-05-29 Thread Erik Norgaard

Greg Larkin wrote:


I can confirm that this is also a problem on 7.0-RELEASE with Perl 5.8.9
installed.  I'm pretty sure I've seen an error like this while working
on a port a few months back.  I'll take a look and see if I can jog my
memory about what the solution was.


Thanks, I had it working on 7.1-STABLE with Perl 5.8.8, libapreq2 2.08 
and gmake 3.80, now I have Perl 5.10.0 gmake 3.81 on 7.2-STABLE trying 
to install libapreq2 2.12.


BR, Erik

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Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar

output PS when printing (that's a standard), the data can be sent
directly to the printer that processes it.

In case of PCL, apsfilter is quite okay, but you can just employ
gs to do the work, so apsfilter is not neededly required. It can


isn't apsfilter just using gs as backend?
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Re: libapreq2 broken?

2009-05-29 Thread Greg Larkin
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Erik Norgaard wrote:
 Greg Larkin wrote:
 
 I can confirm that this is also a problem on 7.0-RELEASE with Perl 5.8.9
 installed.  I'm pretty sure I've seen an error like this while working
 on a port a few months back.  I'll take a look and see if I can jog my
 memory about what the solution was.
 
 Thanks, I had it working on 7.1-STABLE with Perl 5.8.8, libapreq2 2.08
 and gmake 3.80, now I have Perl 5.10.0 gmake 3.81 on 7.2-STABLE trying
 to install libapreq2 2.12.
 
 BR, Erik
 

Hi Erik,

It seems to be a problem only when the WITH_MODPERL2=yes switch is
given to the port make process.  Has that been enabled on both of your
installations?

Cheers,
Greg
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Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint

2009-05-29 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 29 May 2009 15:35:47 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar 
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
  output PS when printing (that's a standard), the data can be sent
  directly to the printer that processes it.
 
  In case of PCL, apsfilter is quite okay, but you can just employ
  gs to do the work, so apsfilter is not neededly required. It can
 
 isn't apsfilter just using gs as backend?

As far as I understood, it is. Driven by a text-mode menu, it
lets you select printer by category and then uses gs to generate
the input fed by an application into the printer's language.
It helps to utilize the system's printer spooler. You can make
settings regarding quality, printer connection, printer name,
and other stuff. It's quite simple and easy to use, in the
case you don't want to get hands dirty with /etc/printcap. :-)

Anyway, it allows you to do something that CUPS won't: It lets
you install a printer that is not attached to the system. Yes,
I know, sounds stupid. :-)

At the moment, I'm using it with some help by the de- list.
I've added some extra gs flags to the configuration which is
text file based (very comfortable), now everything works fine
over parallel line. (My next goal is to achieve the same via
network, shouldn't be a problem, worked before.)




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Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint

2009-05-29 Thread Jonathan McKeown
[Sorry for the excessive quoting - I couldn't decide which bits to take out]

On Friday 29 May 2009 12:48:00 Jerry wrote:
 On Fri, 29 May 2009 09:34:36 +0200

 Jonathan McKeown j.mcke...@ru.ac.za wrote:
 On Thursday 28 May 2009 22:52:47 Jerry wrote:
  Did you ever bother to consider that if the printer manufacturers
  actually formed a consensus on a printer language, some third world
  county or the EU would probably sue them. Nothing I have seen in 20
  years equals the audacity of the EU. As long as no 'standard' no
  matter how arbitrary, stupid or counter-productive exists, they are
  in theory safe from the EU. Besides, nothing stifles development as
  tightly as being bound to an arbitrary 'standard'.
 
 What a breathtakingly stupid remark.
 
 The EU has acted against two companies (Microsoft and Intel) who have
 used illegal business methods to protect and extend their monopolies
 and suppress competition.
 
 Or are you suggesting that a format or protocol which is implemented
 by several different companies, allowing vendors to compete fairly on
 other grounds (price, features, quality, ... ) while protecting
 consumers by making it possible for them to move from one vendor to
 another, is somehow a worse idea than a proprietary format or protocol
 which is forced into a market-dominating position by illegal tactics
 such as paying manufacturers extra to incorporate it, or penalising
 them financially for providing competing products?

 The concept behind the EU is socialism, pure and simple. It attempts to
 create an artificial playing field that allows the incompetent to
 compete with the motivated. It forces those who create new technology
 to share it, usually sans monetary compensation, with common bottom
 feeders. A free, open market is the way to encourage development and
 new ideas and technology. Not some pathetic, socialistic concept.

 If that's the case, why is no-one trying to use the courts to prevent
 the use of ODF, a published standard which is now used by several
 companies and Free Software projects to provide a common format for
 documents?
 
 Once a company dominates a particular market it's held to a different
 standard than other companies in that market - because the power of
 the monopoly can be used not only to prevent competition in the
 original market, but to extend the market domination into new markets,
 by techniques like product tying, distributing at below cost
 (effectively drawing subsidy from the original monopoly product) until
 competitors are driven out of business, and so on.

 A company has the right to disperse their product as they see fit. I
 know a socialist like you finds that abhorrent; however, it is never the
 less true. Tell me, if I wanted to sell you a $300 thousand dollar
 Ferrari for $10, would you: A: complain to the police or what ever legal
 authority you feel so fit to complain to; B: slam $10 in my hand in a
 heart beat? I think we know the answer. You are a hypocrite.

 Has it ever occurred to you how a company grows and becomes successful?
 I know, in your world it is by using the Government to squash
 competition; however, in a truly free society, it is by hard word and
 giving the consumer what they want at a price they are willing to pay.
 Basic business 101.

 Microsoft has been convicted of doing all these things, in US courts,
 in courts in Asia, and in courts in Europe. These are matters of fact,
 not opinion.
 
 Intel has been convicted of many of these things in courts in Asia and
 in Europe.
 
 The fact that the US system is too supine to take action against these
 companies doesn't make the EU ``arrogant''. Let's not forget why Unix
 took off and expanded the way it did: once upon a time the US courts
 did take antitrust seriously, and prevented ATT using its telco
 monopoly to expand into market domination of the computer business.

 The spinelessness of the American court system is that they do not take
 legal action against European countries that practice reverse
 discrimination, or the outright breach of copyright laws, etc. I know,
 you socialists also abhor copyright laws. The concept of an individual
 actually benefiting from his/her hard work and not having to share it
 with every scum sucker who comes begging at his door disturbs you.

Whoa. I don't think that level of personal attack is appropriate or acceptable 
behaviour in a public forum. (I call it attack because you clearly regard 
socialist as a swear word. I'm not a socialist but I don't regard it as an 
insult. I do regard hypocrite as an insult which I choose to ignore.)

Your first paragraph, the one beginning ``the concept behind the EU is 
socialism, pure and simple'', is essentially the Microsoft party line: the 
socialist EU wants to steal our hard work and give it away to people who 
can't stand the heat of competition. The reality is almost the exact 
opposite: the EU is using competition law to try and restore a level playing 
field, despite the 

RE: libapreq2 broken?

2009-05-29 Thread Barry Byrne
 

 -Original Message-
 From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org 
 [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of 
 Erik Norgaard

 Greg Larkin wrote:
  I can confirm that this is also a problem on 7.0-RELEASE 
 with Perl 5.8.9
  installed.  I'm pretty sure I've seen an error like this 
 while working
  on a port a few months back.  I'll take a look and see if I 
 can jog my
  memory about what the solution was.
 
 Thanks, I had it working on 7.1-STABLE with Perl 5.8.8, 
 libapreq2 2.08 
 and gmake 3.80, now I have Perl 5.10.0 gmake 3.81 on 
 7.2-STABLE trying 
 to install libapreq2 2.12.

I have the same issue on a couple of 6.2-RELEASE boxes, with perl-5.8.9_2
installed. Never did find a solution to this, so interested on any insight
anyone may have.

Thanks,

Barry

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Re: libapreq2 broken?

2009-05-29 Thread Greg Larkin
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Erik Norgaard wrote:
 Greg Larkin wrote:
 
 I can confirm that this is also a problem on 7.0-RELEASE with Perl 5.8.9
 installed.  I'm pretty sure I've seen an error like this while working
 on a port a few months back.  I'll take a look and see if I can jog my
 memory about what the solution was.
 
 Thanks, I had it working on 7.1-STABLE with Perl 5.8.8, libapreq2 2.08
 and gmake 3.80, now I have Perl 5.10.0 gmake 3.81 on 7.2-STABLE trying
 to install libapreq2 2.12.
 
 BR, Erik
 

Hi Erik,

Please update your ports tree, then apply this patch:

http://people.freebsd.org/~glarkin/diffs/libapreq2.diff

I reinstalled the port successfully like so:

make WITH_MODPERL2=yes install clean

Whenever the error message make: don't know how to make w appears in a
port build, it indicates that the port requires gmake to build properly,
but some Makefile is calling the BSD make instead.  That's caused if
make is called directly or if the Makefile sets MAKE=make and calls a
subdirectory Makefile.

If this patch solves the problem, I'll ask s...@freebsd.org to commit it
for you.

Cheers,
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Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar

Whoa. I don't think that level of personal attack is appropriate or acceptable
behaviour in a public forum. (I call it attack because you clearly regard
socialist as a swear word. I'm not a socialist but I don't regard it as an
insult.


it's not insult. it's just lethal disease than must be cured or it will 
destroy civilisation

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Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar

Anyway, it allows you to do something that CUPS won't: It lets
you install a printer that is not attached to the system. Yes,
I know, sounds stupid. :-)


nothing stupid. As CUPS (and lots of modern software) is based on 
windows-like philosophy even if runs on unix, it's quite natural.


Someone decided that the right steps of installing driver is to connect 
printer and then install, so user HAVE TO FOLLOW the steps.


Any departure is simply bad, as main windows-like philosophy theorem is 
that user are not allowed to think, because of the danger he/she will 
become a master of his/her own computer, while making him a slave is a 
target.


Only those who are slaves of their own computer, and programs they use, 
will constantly need help and pay for it.

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Re: libapreq2 broken?

2009-05-29 Thread Erik Norgaard

Greg Larkin wrote:


It seems to be a problem only when the WITH_MODPERL2=yes switch is
given to the port make process.  Has that been enabled on both of your
installations?


That works! it will build and install fine if I comment that from my 
make.conf, I thought that this port was to work with mod_perl2!?


Thanks, Erik


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Re: Patching? Probably a trivial question, but...

2009-05-29 Thread Steve Bertrand
Kurt Buff wrote:
 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:36, Mel Flynn
 mel.flynn+fbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.net wrote:
 On Wednesday 27 May 2009 17:21:42 Kurt Buff wrote:
 All,

 I've gotten a patch for a program in the ports tree from one of the
 authors of the program - not the port maintainer - to fix a small
 problem, but don't know how to install the updated port.

 I cd'ed into the
 /usr/ports/%CATEGORY%/%PROGRAM%/work/%PROGRAM-VERSION% directory, then
 performed 'patch patch-name' successfully, AFAICT.

 Then I did a make, but got no output.

 So - I'm obviously lacking clue here. Anyone have a spare set?
 Don't feel like reading the entire thread atm, but for reference:
 - Patches need to have relative paths, where the root of the path corresponds
 to the port's notion of $PATCH_WRKSRC
 - You can find out this directory by running:
 Â  Â  Â  Â % make -C /usr/ports/category/portname -V PATCH_WRKSRC
 Â The default is $WRKSRC which is $WRKDIR/$DISTNAME by default.
 Â Example:
 Â  Â  Â  Â % make -C /usr/ports/sysutils/nagios-statd -V PATCH_WRKSRC
 Â  Â  Â  Â 
 /stable/usr/obj/usr/ports/sysutils/nagios-statd/work/nagios-statd-3.12

 - Patches are automatically applied if they reside in the port's notion of
 PATCHDIR and are named patch-*
 - You can find out this directory by running:
 Â  Â  Â  Â %make -C /usr/ports/category/portname -V PATCHDIR
 Â The default is $.CURDIR/files.
 Â Example:
 Â  Â  Â  Â % make -C /usr/ports/sysutils/nagios-statd -V PATCHDIR
 Â  Â  Â  Â /usr/ports/sysutils/nagios-statd/files

 - In order to apply a new patch after you have previously gone past the patch
 stage (configure, build, install), either run make clean or:
 Â  Â  Â  Â % rm $(make -C /usr/ports/category/portname -V PATCH_COOKIE)
 Â The above can cause problems, with the build. The normal course of action 
 is
 to make clean.
 
 Excellent. I will be trying this tomorrow - I'm leaving work early
 today to get some things taken care of.

Kurt,

I had to leave rather hastily the other day, but I did test the patch,
and it worked ok. If this is a one-off thing, here is how I did it:

# cd /usr/ports/category/program
# make clean
# ee source.patch (pasted the patch in)
# make configure (which preps the source)
# cd work/progname
# patch  ../../source.patch
# cd ../..
# make
# make install

All worked well.

Steve



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Re: locking attempts fails in FreeBSD (jail)

2009-05-29 Thread Oskar Eyb
anonymous wrote

 you don't get an answer probably because nobody knows. 
 it's completely strange for me too, as you said that 
 directories are writable.


the lock-errors from dovecot-deliver I ve solved my lock_method=dotlock (or 
flock).


But I cant change it in ssl-build-param


* The lock-issue is ONLY in jails!

Efcntl(write-lock) locking failed for file /tmp.tmp: Invalid argument
Ffile_try_lock(/tmp.tmp) failed: Invalid argument


So, what does that mean?
What is limiting the locking in jails, howto avoid?



Cheers, Oskar

 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:44:43 +0200
 Von: Oskar Eyb fo...@gmx.de
 An: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Betreff: locking attempts fails in FreeBSD (jail)


 dovecot: 2009-05-29 03:45:50 Fatal: ssl-build-param:
 file_try_lock(/var/db/dovecot/ssl-parameters.dat.tmp) failed: Invalid argument




 deliver(u...@example.com): 2009-05-29 03:43:24 Error: fcntl(write-lock)
 locking failed for file /data/maildirs/example.com/user/dovecot.index.log:
 Invalid argument
 
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7.2 don't set xorg.conf

2009-05-29 Thread Tony
hi, i re-install standar (recommended) way 7.2 version, and finish setp when
i reboot.. i set Xorg -configure and failed,...  this works when i select
the packages to install to by group

(*) User % X-Interfaces

before when i install 1st time i select one-by-one and when i finished and
restarted Xorg -configure rowks to wrote xorg.conf.new

and any way last i said either start X

what i do?

regards from cuba

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Re: libapreq2 broken?

2009-05-29 Thread Greg Larkin
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Erik Norgaard wrote:
 Greg Larkin wrote:
 
 It seems to be a problem only when the WITH_MODPERL2=yes switch is
 given to the port make process.  Has that been enabled on both of your
 installations?
 
 That works! it will build and install fine if I comment that from my
 make.conf, I thought that this port was to work with mod_perl2!?
 
 Thanks, Erik
 
 

I'm no expert on mod_perl2 or the Apache API, but from the looks of the
port, setting WITH_MODPERL2=yes installs the extra modules so you can
call the API library from a Perl script.

The upstream package just wasn't designed to install correctly on a
system where gmake is not named make.  The patch I created should fix
that problem.

Cheers,
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Re: locking attempts fails in FreeBSD (jail)

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar

it's completely strange for me too, as you said that
directories are writable.



the lock-errors from dovecot-deliver I ve solved my lock_method=dotlock (or 
flock).



anyway it should work :(


* The lock-issue is ONLY in jails!


i do use jails, i do use dovecot for IMAP/POP and everything works. anyway 
i don't use dovecot-deliver.



So, what does that mean?
What is limiting the locking in jails, howto avoid?


no idea. as far as we are in jail it should work the same at least in 
theory.

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Re: libapreq2 broken?

2009-05-29 Thread Erik Norgaard

Greg Larkin wrote:

Hi Erik,

Please update your ports tree, then apply this patch:

http://people.freebsd.org/~glarkin/diffs/libapreq2.diff

I reinstalled the port successfully like so:

make WITH_MODPERL2=yes install clean

Whenever the error message make: don't know how to make w appears in a
port build, it indicates that the port requires gmake to build properly,
but some Makefile is calling the BSD make instead.  That's caused if
make is called directly or if the Makefile sets MAKE=make and calls a
subdirectory Makefile.

If this patch solves the problem, I'll ask s...@freebsd.org to commit it
for you.


Hi, thanks, the port builds and installs correctly with this patch.

Problem solved, thanks again, Erik

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growing a graid3 array and growfs not growing ....

2009-05-29 Thread Vikash Badal
Can someone please advise why growfs would return:
growfs: we are not growing (8388607-4194303) ?


I have a FreeBSD 7.2 server in a VM.
I initially had 5 x 4G disks

Created a raid
graid3 label datavol da2 da3 da4 da5 da6

I upgraded them to 5 x 8g disks

swopped out the virtual disks one at a time

graid3 remove -n 0 datavol
graid3 insert -n 0 datavol da2
[wait]
..
graid3 remove -n 4 datavol
graid3 insert -n 4 datavol da6
[wait]

graid3 stop datavol
growfs /dev/raid3/datavol

error message: growfs: we are not growing (8388607-4194303) ?

vix-sw-raid# graid3 list
Geom name: datavol
State: COMPLETE
Components: 5
Flags: NONE
GenID: 0
SyncID: 1
ID: 2704170828
Zone64kFailed: 0
Zone64kRequested: 0
Zone16kFailed: 0
Zone16kRequested: 0
Zone4kFailed: 0
Zone4kRequested: 524
Providers:
1. Name: raid3/datavol
   Mediasize: 34359736320 (32G)
   Sectorsize: 2048
   Mode: r0w0e0
Consumers:
1. Name: da2
   Mediasize: 8589934592 (8.0G)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Mode: r1w1e1
   State: ACTIVE
   Flags: NONE
   GenID: 0
   SyncID: 1
   Number: 0
   Type: DATA
2. Name: da3
   Mediasize: 8589934592 (8.0G)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Mode: r1w1e1
   State: ACTIVE
   Flags: NONE
   GenID: 0
   SyncID: 1
   Number: 1
   Type: DATA
3. Name: da4
   Mediasize: 8589934592 (8.0G)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Mode: r1w1e1
   State: ACTIVE
   Flags: NONE
   GenID: 0
   SyncID: 1
   Number: 2
   Type: DATA
4. Name: da5
   Mediasize: 8589934592 (8.0G)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Mode: r1w1e1
   State: ACTIVE
   Flags: NONE
   GenID: 0
   SyncID: 1
   Number: 3
   Type: DATA
5. Name: da6
   Mediasize: 8589934592 (8.0G)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Mode: r1w1e1
   State: ACTIVE
   Flags: NONE
   GenID: 0
   SyncID: 1
   Number: 4
   Type: PARITY


fdisk /dev/raid3/datavol
*** Working on device /dev/raid3/datavol ***
parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are:
cylinders=1044 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl)

Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1
parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are:
cylinders=1044 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl)

fdisk: invalid fdisk partition table found
fdisk: /boot/mbr: length must be a multiple of sector size


what am I missing ?









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Re: locking attempts fails in FreeBSD (jail)

2009-05-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar


So, what does that mean?
What is limiting the locking in jails, howto avoid?


other question - what filesystem do you use for directory when locks are 
placed?

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Re: libapreq2 broken?

2009-05-29 Thread Erik Norgaard

Erik Norgaard wrote:

Greg Larkin wrote:


It seems to be a problem only when the WITH_MODPERL2=yes switch is
given to the port make process.  Has that been enabled on both of your
installations?


That works! it will build and install fine if I comment that from my 
make.conf, I thought that this port was to work with mod_perl2!?


Too fast, without WITH_MODPERL2=yes build and installed yes, but 
didn't work, it appears that a large portion of the port was simply not 
built nor installed despite the lack of error.


See patch in other reply on this thread.

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Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint

2009-05-29 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 29 May 2009 16:04:22 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar 
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
 nothing stupid. As CUPS (and lots of modern software) is based on 
 windows-like philosophy even if runs on unix, it's quite natural.
 
 Someone decided that the right steps of installing driver is to connect 
 printer and then install, so user HAVE TO FOLLOW the steps.

Allthough CUPS is for UNIX (the U in CUPS), I think it's a bit sad
that it doesn't have something that we would call professional mode
as an option, where someone who knows what he does can install a
printer that is not attached to the system at the moment, or that
cannot be autodetected (maybe some dotmatrix or daisywheel printer
that is needed to print carbon copies).



 Any departure is simply bad, as main windows-like philosophy theorem is 
 that user are not allowed to think, because of the danger he/she will 
 become a master of his/her own computer, while making him a slave is a 
 target.
 
 Only those who are slaves of their own computer, and programs they use, 
 will constantly need help and pay for it.

Translated from a PC commercial: My computer knows who I am, and knows
what I want.

Another attitude at least famous among german Windows users: If the
PC says (!) something, it is alright. Asking for the bankomatcard PIN?
Well, enter it! An obscure web page wants your name and postal address
in order to let you see the dancing elephants? Go aheead, type it in!
The computer will know what it does.

For any consequences, the I don't care campaign, set up by the
MICROS~1 initiated misbelief that Windows administers itself, has
spread terrible results in regards of virus infections, trojans,
pirated copies and illegal file sharing. People just don't care, they
just want the dancing elephants - for free. The logical implication
is that the PC is made responsible for everything the user did
wrong.

That's why I often think PCs are often personified; apotheosis is
the next step (cf. the Forbin Project). Is it possible that people
attribute the intelligency to the PC that they don't seem to have
theirselves?

If you think that's stupid - well, at least it's the reality here. :-)



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Re: 7.2 don't set xorg.conf

2009-05-29 Thread Ricardo Jesus

Tony wrote:

hi, i re-install standar (recommended) way 7.2 version, and finish setp when
i reboot.. i set Xorg -configure and failed,...  this works when i select
the packages to install to by group



(*) User % X-Interfaces



before when i install 1st time i select one-by-one and when i finished and
restarted Xorg -configure rowks to wrote xorg.conf.new



and any way last i said either start X



what i do?



regards from cuba



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Hi Tony,

I think this answers your question: 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/x-config.html.


Regards.
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Re: locking attempts fails in FreeBSD (jail)

2009-05-29 Thread Oskar Eyb
hi,

 other question - what filesystem do you use for directory when locks are 
 placed?


in-jail# mount
/dev/mirror/gm0s1d on / (ufs, local, soft-updates)


host-view:

/dev/mirror/gm0s1d on /var (ufs, local, soft-updates)

the jail is in

/var/jails/mail/ ...

additionally

procfs on /var/jails/mail/proc (procfs, local)
devfs on /var/jails/mail/dev (devfs, local)
/usr on /var/jails/mail/usr (nullfs, local, read-only)
/usr/vol1/maildirs on /var/jails/mail/maildirs (nullfs, local)


I tested dovecot/ssl-build-param on another server: in host ok, in all jails 
the same error.  ?!?!?



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libthr vs lipbthreads

2009-05-29 Thread Gary Gatten
Is there any sort of consensus on the better choice between these two
libraries?  I'm running an app (nTop) on 6.0 RELEASE and have sometimes
odd behavior and performances issues with libpthreads.  I recently
switched the libthr, but I'm not sure if the issues are the app code
itself, or the way FBSD does threads and scheduling.  Apparently these
issues are isolated to FBSD and Linux, Solaris, etc. work fine?  Also
thought about using Linux threads, but too much hassle compared to
creating libmap.conf and restarting.

Any thoughts, insights, etc. would be great.  Found some resources on
the web that indicated libthr is the way to go, but...  still not sure?





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RE: libapreq2 broken?

2009-05-29 Thread Barry Byrne
 

 -Original Message-
 From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org 
 [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Greg Larkin

 
 Please update your ports tree, then apply this patch:
 
 http://people.freebsd.org/~glarkin/diffs/libapreq2.diff
 
 I reinstalled the port successfully like so:
 
 make WITH_MODPERL2=yes install clean
 
 Whenever the error message make: don't know how to make w 
 appears in a
 port build, it indicates that the port requires gmake to 
 build properly,
 but some Makefile is calling the BSD make instead.  That's caused if
 make is called directly or if the Makefile sets MAKE=make 
 and calls a
 subdirectory Makefile.
 
 If this patch solves the problem, I'll ask s...@freebsd.org to 
 commit it
 for you.

Greg,

That seems to have built fine for me. Appreciate the rapid assistance.

Regards,

Barry

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Re: libapreq2 broken?

2009-05-29 Thread Greg Larkin
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Erik Norgaard wrote:
 Erik Norgaard wrote:
 Greg Larkin wrote:

 It seems to be a problem only when the WITH_MODPERL2=yes switch is
 given to the port make process.  Has that been enabled on both of your
 installations?

 That works! it will build and install fine if I comment that from my
 make.conf, I thought that this port was to work with mod_perl2!?
 
 Too fast, without WITH_MODPERL2=yes build and installed yes, but
 didn't work, it appears that a large portion of the port was simply not
 built nor installed despite the lack of error.
 
 See patch in other reply on this thread.
 
 Erik

Hi Erik,

I think that's the normal behavior for the port.  If WITH_MODPERL2=yes
is not specified, the Perl modules are left out of the build, but it
still installs the C libraries, header files, etc.

Cheers,
Greg
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Producing Bad Dumps

2009-05-29 Thread Martin McCormick
I use the following flags to create a level 0 dump:

dump 0ufaL /home/backups/backup /dev/DISKPARTITION

The dump appears to run just fine. /home/backups/backup is a
pipe to a remote system that fills a regular file from the pipe.

Everything seems to run well at the time and the dump
file has gigabytes of data in it. I can restore many files from
it and all seems well.

Today, I practiced restoring a whole system from one of
these dumps and used the following command:

restore -u -fx FILENAME

It prompted for the volume number which is 1 (100% of the dump)
and then I entered none when prompted for the next volume.

That was about an hour ago and it is still spewing out
the names of thousands of files, many of them OS-related such as
/usr/src/xx which were not being modified or created at the time
so if any files should be there, these should.

Any idea as to what I did wrong?

At this point, it is not certain whether the dump is bad
or the restore is bad, but it isn't exactly confidence-en spiring
if the system in question was to melt.

No file systems filled up and the pipe isn't taken down
until the dump has finished, at least that is what I believe to
be the case.

Any suggestions are welcome.

Actually, for this test, I pretended that a directory
on the system called scratch is / so I am just testing the
ability to restore what should be everything under /
before actually trying this on the real / because after that,
you must rebuild the system from CDROM for a proper test.
Thank you.
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Re: What is this forum for?

2009-05-29 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:43:29PM +0100, RW wrote:

 On Thu, 28 May 2009 23:38:46 +0200 (CEST)
 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:
 
 
  i repeated what i read recently about ICE ON ARCTIC SEA melting that
  will flood.
  
  Even knowledge from primary school physics and no single calculation
  is enough to prove that water level will not change at all.
 
 Even for you this is a new low. When you learned about Archimedes
 principle did they not teach you about thermal expansion - or did you
 just assume that as the ice melts everything remains at the same
 temperature. 

And, what about the huge amount of water that is currently sequestered 
in ice above sea level - on 'dry' land?   Where will it go?

jerry


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