kdebase4 installation failure
While installing kdebase4, I get the following error. What can I do to get this port installed. [ 41%] Building CXX object apps/konsole/src/CMakeFiles/konsoleprivate.dir/konsoleprivate_automoc.o [ 41%] Building CXX object apps/konsole/src/CMakeFiles/konsoleprivate.dir/BlockArray.o [ 43%] Building CXX object apps/konsole/src/CMakeFiles/konsoleprivate.dir/BookmarkHandler.o [ 43%] Building CXX object apps/konsole/src/CMakeFiles/konsoleprivate.dir/ColorScheme.o [ 43%] Building CXX object apps/konsole/src/CMakeFiles/konsoleprivate.dir/Emulation.o [ 43%] Building CXX object apps/konsole/src/CMakeFiles/konsoleprivate.dir/Filter.o [ 44%] Building CXX object apps/konsole/src/CMakeFiles/konsoleprivate.dir/History.o [ 44%] Building CXX object apps/konsole/src/CMakeFiles/konsoleprivate.dir/HistorySizeDialog.o [ 44%] Building CXX object apps/konsole/src/CMakeFiles/konsoleprivate.dir/IncrementalSearchBar.o [ 44%] Building CXX object apps/konsole/src/CMakeFiles/konsoleprivate.dir/KeyboardTranslator.o [ 45%] Building CXX object apps/konsole/src/CMakeFiles/konsoleprivate.dir/ProcessInfo.o /usr/ports/x11/kdebase4/work/kdebase-4.3.0/apps/konsole/src/ProcessInfo.cpp: In member function 'virtual bool FreeBSDProcessInfo::readCurrentDir(int)': /usr/ports/x11/kdebase4/work/kdebase-4.3.0/apps/konsole/src/ProcessInfo.cpp:751: error: 'kinfo_getfile' was not declared in this scope /usr/ports/x11/kdebase4/work/kdebase-4.3.0/apps/konsole/src/ProcessInfo.cpp:756: error: invalid use of incomplete type 'struct kinfo_file' /usr/ports/x11/kdebase4/work/kdebase-4.3.0/apps/konsole/src/ProcessInfo.cpp:748: error: forward declaration of 'struct kinfo_file' /usr/ports/x11/kdebase4/work/kdebase-4.3.0/apps/konsole/src/ProcessInfo.cpp:756: error: invalid use of incomplete type 'struct kinfo_file' /usr/ports/x11/kdebase4/work/kdebase-4.3.0/apps/konsole/src/ProcessInfo.cpp:748: error: forward declaration of 'struct kinfo_file' /usr/ports/x11/kdebase4/work/kdebase-4.3.0/apps/konsole/src/ProcessInfo.cpp:756: error: 'KF_FD_TYPE_CWD' was not declared in this scope /usr/ports/x11/kdebase4/work/kdebase-4.3.0/apps/konsole/src/ProcessInfo.cpp:757: error: invalid use of incomplete type 'struct kinfo_file' /usr/ports/x11/kdebase4/work/kdebase-4.3.0/apps/konsole/src/ProcessInfo.cpp:748: error: forward declaration of 'struct kinfo_file' /usr/ports/x11/kdebase4/work/kdebase-4.3.0/apps/konsole/src/ProcessInfo.cpp:757: error: invalid use of incomplete type 'struct kinfo_file' /usr/ports/x11/kdebase4/work/kdebase-4.3.0/apps/konsole/src/ProcessInfo.cpp:748: error: forward declaration of 'struct kinfo_file' *** Error code 1 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase4. Thanks, Alain ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Desktop Install Option
So, I've been wondering about something. FreeBSD is a general purpose operating system, even though it has historically only heavily been used on servers. Why is it that FreeBSD doesn't provide a desktop installation, something similar to say Debian's option of Standard Desktop? For those who need it, it'd be great. -- No person has sustained greater loss than that whose learning could not restrain him from indulging in vices. | Imam Abu Hanifa Sabeeh Ahmed Baig ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [OT] Vim mailing list
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 01:59:05AM -0400, Glen Barber wrote: [...] Google has a Vim group. I'm not sure if you need a Google account or not. Perhaps it might be better to go to Usenet straight ahead. There's a NG comp.editors, mostly about vim. Sorry for jumping in, but I think Usenet is Usenet and Google is Google. Both have their merits but groups.google.com has little IMHO. Sabine -- Nicht das Schicksal zu aendern, sondern sich ihm zu unterwerfen, macht den Heroismus des autoritaeren Charakters aus. (E. Fromm) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
duplex printing with OOo.
Well, this one was/is bizarre. I finally got my Brother 5250 networked printer to print duplex (AKA noth sides :) using % lpr file but from OpenOffice, no matter what I do, it only prints on one side. Has anybody runn ito this before and know how to get it to print double-sided? Note that in a day or three I will *finally* be printing off two copies of my thesis, and this will be single-sided-only according to the rules. So really, it's a dontcare well, other than I would like to know what and where and why to change this in the OO config. thanks guys, gary -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 5.67a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [OT] Vim mailing list
Sabine Baer wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 01:59:05AM -0400, Glen Barber wrote: [...] Google has a Vim group. I'm not sure if you need a Google account or not. Perhaps it might be better to go to Usenet straight ahead. There's a NG comp.editors, mostly about vim. Sorry for jumping in, but I think Usenet is Usenet and Google is Google. Both have their merits but groups.google.com has little IMHO. Thanks Glen, Sabine, The email list bounces upon sub are coming from an aliased Google address. Not only that, I absolutely need write access. I've joined groups through Google previously (that fit into my mailer), but couldn't post. There is little more frustrating when you know you can help someone, but can't speak. Although I work within an ISP network, NNTP is a protocol that has evaded me, and I don't have the time, nor the desire to learn about it. What I do know is that this ISP does not have access to a proper news server (that can be posted to), nor does any of it's direct peers. Am I missing something about posting to newsgroups? My understanding is ISP's don't utilize them anymore because of the ominous unavoidable illegal behaviour. If this is the case, ideas on a (legal) workaround so posting to text-only newsgroups would be great. Now that this has been brought up, I'd be interested if I could barder with another small ISP for this functionality. (post on -isp). Steve smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [OT] Vim mailing list
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Sabine Baerbae...@t-online.de wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 01:59:05AM -0400, Glen Barber wrote: [...] Google has a Vim group. I'm not sure if you need a Google account or not. Perhaps it might be better to go to Usenet straight ahead. There's a NG comp.editors, mostly about vim. Sorry for jumping in, but I think Usenet is Usenet and Google is Google. Jump in all you want. After all, it was an admittedly [OT] post. :-) I agree. I don't see much use for Google's usenet interface. (Especially since you can't post directly from it, AFAIK.) -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Desktop Install Option
Hi, So, I've been wondering about something. FreeBSD is a general purpose operating system, even though it has historically only heavily been used on servers. Why is it that FreeBSD doesn't provide a desktop installation, something similar to say Debian's option of Standard Desktop? For those who need it, it'd be great. Not sure what you are looking for but I have a feeling that it may be something like http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/sysutils/desktopbsd-tools/pkg-descr http://desktopbsd.net/ Rgds, Peter. -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Desktop Install Option
Sabeeh Baig wrote: So, I've been wondering about something. FreeBSD is a general purpose operating system, even though it has historically only heavily been used on servers. Why is it that FreeBSD doesn't provide a desktop installation, something similar to say Debian's option of Standard Desktop? For those who need it, it'd be great. God willing, the majority of effort in regards to FreeBSD will be spent where it always has. FreeBSD is not Linux. There are those who are working toward making a GUI easier-to-implement, but afaik, that is not (and hope not) the design goal. Instead of Desktop features to appeal to people, what FreeBSD really needs is people who are willing to take the time to drop the GUI for a few weeks, and gain a bit of exposure and enlightenment. If it clicks, you're hooked. If not, then there's Linux and Windows. Steve smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Desktop Install Option
Hi, On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 1:54 AM, Sabeeh Baigsba...@jhu.edu wrote: So, I've been wondering about something. FreeBSD is a general purpose operating system, even though it has historically only heavily been used on servers. Why is it that FreeBSD doesn't provide a desktop installation, something similar to say Debian's option of Standard Desktop? For those who need it, it'd be great. You may want to have a look at: http://freebsd-custom.wikidot.com http://pcbsd.org/ http://desktopbsd.net -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [OT] Vim mailing list
Steve Bertrand wrote: Am I missing something about posting to newsgroups? My understanding is ISP's don't utilize them anymore because of the ominous unavoidable illegal behaviour. No -- it's not legal problems, which offer no worse consequences than for defamatory postings on blogs or forums, but fashion. A lot of people seem to prefer to use web forums rather than newsgroups. I can't see any particular advantage myself, and I've always preferred the e-mail/netnews style myself. (Of course, for old farts like myself, this is a welcome return to the blessed golden age of usenet circa 1993 before the ravening hordes of AOL and it's successors descended upon it...) Because of that perceived shift, and because running a full-feed NNTP server is no trivial undertaking, many of the cheaper sort of ISPs have stopped providing NNTP as a standard part of their offerring. If this is the case, ideas on a (legal) workaround so posting to text-only newsgroups would be great. Now that this has been brought up, I'd be interested if I could barder with another small ISP for this functionality. (post on -isp). There are a number of pay-for net news services available. The ones I know of are based in Europe: http://www.eternal-september.org/ http://news.individual.net/ See also: http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Usenet/Public_News_Servers/ Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. Flat 3 7 Priory Courtyard PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW, UK signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Recovering files after a crash
Roland Smith wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 09:30:15AM +0200, Erik Norgaard wrote: The problem is that I have no idea which files were affected. So, now some questions: First, how do I determine which files were corrupted? And how do I recover these files? From what you have shown it is impossible to tell. A short filesystem check (fsck -F) is run at boot time. If no major problems are found, the complete filesystem check is done later in the background. The result of that check will be visible in /var/log/messages. Thanks, I couldn't decipher these GEOM_LABEL messages, nice to know that I can stop worrying. But for future incidents, the second question remains: 1. How do I best protect my system from disk errors in case of a crash? I have a headless system with no spare head to attach and doing single-user blind-folded is further complicated by the fact that I'm not native to the US keyboard layout, so my top priority is that it boots. 2. When you have lost inodes or similar errors and stuff ends up in lost+found, how do you figure out what it was and recover the lost files? Is there a FBSD crash guide? Thanks, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please help to uninstall FreeBSD!!!
Am Mittwoch, den 19.08.2009, 07:59 + schrieb freebsd-questions-requ...@freebsd.org: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 01:45:27PM -0400, Karl Vogel wrote: On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:23:29 -0700, Walt Pawley w...@wump.org said: W As speculation on my part, perhaps the six character limitation is less W a software issue than an early architecture issue - DEC's PDP-6/10 W design used 36-bit words and packed six characters (clearly from a W limited subset of the then current ASCII) per word, making simple W searches very effective through symbol tables with a simple word level W compare loop. I'll second that. My first job for Uncle Sugar was on a DEC 10/55 for the Air Force, and 36-bit words were a fact of life. There were lots of programs around for conversion to/from 32-bit words, just so we could talk to everybody else on Earth. CDC (Control Data) mainframe machines used 6 bit characters. I believe the 3600 series had 36 bit words. The 6000 series (6400, 6500, etc, plus 170/750) used 60 bit words but still used 6 bit characters. So, everything was all upper case. It had 12 bit 'peripheral processors' which tended the 60 bit main processor[s] so later started to use 12 bit characters or sometimes 8 in 12 to allow for upper/lower case. That was a Seymour Cray thing. He designed their early mainframes before he bolted to make his own companies (so he wouldn't have to conform to corporate control). And I always thought it was 14 bit with 7 bit characters, perhaps this is why my outputs looked strange :) This was the last model I've used: http://www.cray-cyber.org/systems/cy960.php Later CDC came out with their 180 series that used 64 bit words and 8 bit bytes. It was kind of a nice system but it was too late for them. The world was turning to clusters of cheap CPU chips running UNIX instead of massive mainframes running proprietary OSen and CDC didn't jump on that bandwagon soon or strongly or cheaply enough. Anyway, in those earliest of days, 6 bits was the economical character set. But it was an obstacle to upper/lower case characters without using some shift code. IBM and DEC started doing 8 bit bytes - I don't know just when - and that allowed eash use of upper/lower characters and so quickly determined the standard character size for a long time. Didn't need lower case at this time. REAL PROGRAMMERS USED FORTRAN http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/real.programmers.html The problem was, the programmers packed the string into integer arrays. 2 characters in 1 integer saved a lot of space, but the VAX didn't like this style. Now that 8 bit byte is a thorn in the side of those who want to create and universalize a character set that is international. jerry Wasn't it just 3 or 4 releases ago FreeBSD went 8 bit clean ? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: duplex printing with OOo.
Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: Well, this one was/is bizarre. I finally got my Brother 5250 networked printer to print duplex (AKA noth sides :) using % lpr file but from OpenOffice, no matter what I do, it only prints on one side. Has anybody runn ito this before and know how to get it to print double-sided? Note that in a day or three I will *finally* be printing off two copies of my thesis, and this will be single-sided-only according to the rules. So really, it's a dontcare well, other than I would like to know what and where and why to change this in the OO config. It works for me, using 3 steps: 1) Use CUPS instead of lpd 2) Install a PPD for the printer that knows about duplex printing 3) Install OOo with CUPS support I don't know if it's possible to do through lpd, though. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
freebsd
I know freebsd is free but i would like to know how much will I pay if I need additional package like updates and other useful software,and can you tell how secure it is how protected i will be if i use freebsd Disclaimer This e-mail transmission contains confidential information, which is the property of the sender. The information in this e-mail or attachments thereto is intended for the attention and use only of the addressee. Should you have received this e-mail in error, please delete and destroy it and any attachments thereto immediately. Under no circumstances will the Cape Peninsula University of Technology or the sender of this e-mail be liable to any party for any direct, indirect, special or other consequential damages for any use of this e-mail. For the detailed e-mail disclaimer please refer to http://www.cput.ac.za/email.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 6:42 AM, BONGANI MANGANYE205038...@cput.ac.za wrote: I know freebsd is free but i would like to know how much will I pay if I need additional package like updates and other useful software,and can you tell how secure it is how protected i will be if i use freebsd it's free along with the many, many, many software packages fBSD provides . . . and it's secure. have you checked out the website (www.freebsd.org)? It's a good place to start. Disclaimer This e-mail transmission contains confidential information, which is the property of the sender. The information in this e-mail or attachments thereto is intended for the attention and use only of the addressee. Should you have received this e-mail in error, please delete and destroy it and any attachments thereto immediately. Under no circumstances will the Cape Peninsula University of Technology or the sender of this e-mail be liable to any party for any direct, indirect, special or other consequential damages for any use of this e-mail. For the detailed e-mail disclaimer please refer to http://www.cput.ac.za/email.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd
BONGANI MANGANYE wrote: I know freebsd is free but i would like to know how much will I pay if I need additional package like updates and other useful software,and can you tell how secure it is how protected i will be if i use freebsd FreeBSD is free, and any updates are free. Third party applications may or may not be free depending on the license terms and the intended usage. This is no different than for any other operating system. There is only one operating system (AFAIK) that claims a definite level of security: OpenBSD claims to be secure by default and shows an impresive track record. This is defined as there are no known remote exploits in the most resent version in the default instalation. However, any change to the default configuration or installation of third party applications may change that. Really, there is no common or objective scale for comparing the security of different systems. Regardless of any claims, all liability is disclaimed. BR, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Desktop Install Option
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Sabeeh Baigsba...@jhu.edu wrote: So, I've been wondering about something. FreeBSD is a general purpose operating system, even though it has historically only heavily been used on servers. Why is it that FreeBSD doesn't provide a desktop installation, something similar to say Debian's option of Standard Desktop? For those who need it, it'd be great. -- Sabeeh Ahmed Baig I am of the opinion that specializing in everything is the same thing as specializing in nothing. (Said another way: If everything is a priority, nothing is.) Every operating system has its strengths and weaknesses. The more an operating system becomes all-things-to-all-users, the more it tends to lose its comparative edge in any one area. All of that being said, PC-BSD is a desktop solution on FreeBSD. You can download it for free or purchase it with support: http://www.pcbsd.org/ Andrew ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd
On Wednesday 19 August 2009 07:42:39 BONGANI MANGANYE wrote: I know freebsd is free but i would like to know how much will I pay if I need additional package like updates and other useful software,and can you tell how secure it is how protected i will be if i use freebsd FreeBSD is released under the BSD license: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.php Most third party software is licensed as OSI Approved: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/category Some third party software have commercial restrictions, but are the minor ones... The only restrictions that you have to use FreeBSD are those restrictions which the license have. It also applies to third party software that you like to use. About the security on FreeBSD --- and most FOSS platforms --- it depends on the system administrator. Reaching exploitable bugs is strange with a well done configuration. [SNIP] Best regards, -- .O. | Daniel Molina Wegener | FreeBSD Linux ..O | dmw [at] coder [dot] cl | Open Standards OOO | http://coder.cl/| FOSS Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Desktop Install Option
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Sabeeh Baig sba...@jhu.edu wrote: So, I've been wondering about something. FreeBSD is a general purpose operating system, even though it has historically only heavily been used on servers. Why is it that FreeBSD doesn't provide a desktop installation, something similar to say Debian's option of Standard Desktop? On Debian Lenny, let me know how the install of kde4 goes. Not attempting to disregard your view, just saying there are roadblocks to every approach. IMO, the FreeBSD method allows for greatest flexibility. For those who need it, it'd be great. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Desktop Install Option
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 01:54:51AM -0400, Sabeeh Baig wrote: So, I've been wondering about something. FreeBSD is a general purpose operating system, even though it has historically only heavily been used on servers. Why is it that FreeBSD doesn't provide a desktop installation, something similar to say Debian's option of Standard Desktop? For those who need it, it'd be great. Really, all the desktop options you get on Linux are available for FreeBSD.KDE and Gnome are the main things and many people install one of them to make a desktop environment. The main difference with FreeBSD over Lunix is that Linux sort of forces it on you and FreeBSD gives you a choice. That means you have to click one more thing during installation to get that stuff installed. But, if you are doing a server, you don't have to spend an extra hour or two getting rid of all the bloat you don't need or want like on some other systems. To add to that, some people have packaged desktop versions of FreeBSD with all those gui extras already included just to make you happy. Probably someone else will post their favorites with links. jerry -- No person has sustained greater loss than that whose learning could not restrain him from indulging in vices. | Imam Abu Hanifa Sabeeh Ahmed Baig ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Desktop Install Option
Andrew Gould wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Sabeeh Baigsba...@jhu.edu wrote: So, I've been wondering about something. FreeBSD is a general purpose operating system, even though it has historically only heavily been used on servers. Why is it that FreeBSD doesn't provide a desktop installation, something similar to say Debian's option of Standard Desktop? For those who need it, it'd be great. -- Sabeeh Ahmed Baig I am of the opinion that specializing in everything is the same thing as specializing in nothing. (Said another way: If everything is a priority, nothing is.) Every operating system has its strengths and weaknesses. The more an operating system becomes all-things-to-all-users, the more it tends to lose its comparative edge in any one area. All of that being said, PC-BSD is a desktop solution on FreeBSD. You can download it for free or purchase it with support: http://www.pcbsd.org/ That's true, but the FreeBSD thing is performance[*] which, curiously enough is at the core of a good desktop system as well as the core of a good server system. In fact, the missing parts required to make a good desktop out of FreeBSD are more to do with graphics hardware support -- much of which comes out of the Xorg project now -- and support for various proprietary data formats and software packages like flash, and, of course, a really well written user interface. Or to put it another way, you can build a good desktop system based on a good server OS, but it's pretty hard to build a good desktop system based on a bad server OS. Cheers, Matthew [*] and for completeness, the NetBSD thing is portability, and the OpenBSD thing is security. Not that the big three *BSDs are entirely lacking in any of those departments. -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. Flat 3 7 Priory Courtyard PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW, UK signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: freebsd
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 01:42:39PM +0200, BONGANI MANGANYE wrote: I know freebsd is free but i would like to know how much will I pay if I need additional package like updates and other useful software, Nothing if you install stuff from ports or from any of the many free software products available.If you need something, first look through the 'ports' list on FreeBSD. It is probably there. It might take some hints as to just which ports directory to look under, but people will usually make useful suggestions if you ask on the list with a specific question. and can you tell how secure it is how protected i will be if i use freebsd More secure than most other systems. Especially more secure than anything from Redmond. All of the tools for implementing and monitoring security are available on FreeBSD. Of course you have to use good practices. If you give away passwords or use bad software, no system can help you with security.But FreeBSD gives the best tools of the generally available (and especially the freely available) operating systems for PCs. jerry Disclaimer This e-mail transmission contains confidential information, which is the property of the sender. The information in this e-mail or attachments thereto is intended for the attention and use only of the addressee. Should you have received this e-mail in error, please delete and destroy it and any attachments thereto immediately. Under no circumstances will the Cape Peninsula University of Technology or the sender of this e-mail be liable to any party for any direct, indirect, special or other consequential damages for any use of this e-mail. For the detailed e-mail disclaimer please refer to http://www.cput.ac.za/email.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Desktop Install Option
Op woensdag 19 augustus 2009 09:18:15 schreef Steve Bertrand: Sabeeh Baig wrote: So, I've been wondering about something. FreeBSD is a general purpose operating system, even though it has historically only heavily been used on servers. Why is it that FreeBSD doesn't provide a desktop installation, something similar to say Debian's option of Standard Desktop? For those who need it, it'd be great. God willing, the majority of effort in regards to FreeBSD will be spent where it always has. FreeBSD is not Linux. There are those who are working toward making a GUI easier-to-implement, but afaik, that is not (and hope not) the design goal. Instead of Desktop features to appeal to people, what FreeBSD really needs is people who are willing to take the time to drop the GUI for a few weeks, and gain a bit of exposure and enlightenment. If it clicks, you're hooked. If not, then there's Linux and Windows. Steve That seems to be the standard answer here when (periodicaly) this questions comes up :-) We don't need it (the we being the server-gurus). It's that or if you want it, do it yourself. But to me it seems that the question returns regularly and that there must be a certain demand for it. So why don't you let the user decide if he wants a bloated desktop or a lean mean server ? Now I don't have that option... That is why I run pc-bsd now. They are able to do a GUI install of a desktop on top of a solid OS, something that the hardcore server/headless/serial/admins/whatever users here don't seem to care about. And yes, I know this discussion has been done already several times here :-) -- Beni. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: duplex printing with OOo.
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 07:23:07 -0400, Bill Moran wmo...@potentialtech.com wrote: It works for me, using 3 steps: 1) Use CUPS instead of lpd CUPS brings its own lpd, so in fact you're still using a lpd, even if it's not the system one's. :-) 2) Install a PPD for the printer that knows about duplex printing It seems that this Brother printer does not come with an operator panel where you can set default modes. As an example, you can tell a HP laserjet 4000 duplex to be duplex by default, so you don't need additional configuration. For modern printers, PPD files are needed to make printer spoolers and filters aware of what capabilities the printer has. This is needed if the printer does not conform to standard printer languages, such as PS or PCL. 3) Install OOo with CUPS support There are some printer settings available in OO, but maybe they do not cover all the printer's capabilities. I don't know if it's possible to do through lpd, though. With a real printer, it works by default. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please help to uninstall FreeBSD!!!
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:22:11 +0200, Heiner Strauß heiner...@yahoo.de wrote: Didn't need lower case at this time. REAL PROGRAMMERS USED FORTRAN http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/real.programmers.html When you're there, don't miss The story about Mel. By the way... we have a Mel on our mailing list... :-) http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/mel.html Little history lesson from far away: In approx. 1950, the IBM N.O.R.C. processed numerical values only. There were no plans to make the printer print characters because no need for this was seen. Even the need for a programming language like FORTRAN wasn't seen. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Desktop Install Option
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 05:00:27PM +0200, beni wrote: Op woensdag 19 augustus 2009 09:18:15 schreef Steve Bertrand: Sabeeh Baig wrote: So, I've been wondering about something. FreeBSD is a general purpose operating system, even though it has historically only heavily been used on servers. Why is it that FreeBSD doesn't provide a desktop installation, something similar to say Debian's option of Standard Desktop? For those who need it, it'd be great. God willing, the majority of effort in regards to FreeBSD will be spent where it always has. FreeBSD is not Linux. There are those who are working toward making a GUI easier-to-implement, but afaik, that is not (and hope not) the design goal. Instead of Desktop features to appeal to people, what FreeBSD really needs is people who are willing to take the time to drop the GUI for a few weeks, and gain a bit of exposure and enlightenment. If it clicks, you're hooked. If not, then there's Linux and Windows. Steve That seems to be the standard answer here when (periodicaly) this questions comes up :-) We don't need it (the we being the server-gurus). It's that or if you want it, do it yourself. But to me it seems that the question returns regularly and that there must be a certain demand for it. So why don't you let the user decide if he wants a bloated desktop or a lean mean server ? Now I don't have that option... That is why I run pc-bsd now. They are able to do a GUI install of a desktop on top of a solid OS, something that the hardcore server/headless/serial/admins/whatever users here don't seem to care about. And yes, I know this discussion has been done already several times here :-) FreeBSD is the one that does let users have an option. One of those options is pcBSD. There are others who make up a bundle with FreeBSD as the base OS that already has your GUI and other things built for you -- a FreeBSD desktop. I hear they install real easily and work well.It is not what I need so I haven't tried them, but rather than raile at those who are building a good platform, just go and get one of those bundles. Seems you actually have already - a pretty close to FreeBSD based bundle anyway. jerry -- Beni. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Recovering files after a crash
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 09:59:32AM +0200, Erik Norgaard wrote: Thanks, I couldn't decipher these GEOM_LABEL messages, nice to know that I can stop worrying. But for future incidents, the second question remains: 1. How do I best protect my system from disk errors in case of a crash? One word: _backups_! Multiple solutions are possible. You can have two disks in RAID1 (mirroring, which is like instantaneous backup). Or you can have two disks where the second is kept up-to-date by rsync running from cron (this also gives you a limited undo functionality if you accidentaly delete a file). Ar you can back up to a NAS, USB connected disk or to tape. I have a headless system with no spare head to attach and doing single-user blind-folded is further complicated by the fact that I'm not native to the US keyboard layout, so my top priority is that it boots. If you can connect it to another system (that has a monitor) via a serial null-modem cable and you enable the serial console (see the Handbook), you can watch the boot process from the other system. If you don't have anothe machine closeby, you should get a network-accessible KVM switch with serial connectors. [maybe something like this: http://www.knuerr.com/web/en/products/kvm/kvm-switch-dominion-ksx.html] With such a switch and the serial console you should be able to watch the boot of the machine remotely. 2. When you have lost inodes or similar errors and stuff ends up in lost+found, how do you figure out what it was and recover the lost files? You have to look at the contents of the files in lostfound. Usually it is easier to restore from backup. Is there a FBSD crash guide? Not that I know of. The only guidance that really matter would be make sure you have backed up critical data. No need for elaborate guides. :-) Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpT0irSuljL3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Desktop Install Option
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:57:21 -0400, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: FreeBSD is the one that does let users have an option. One of those options is pcBSD. There are others who make up a bundle with FreeBSD as the base OS that already has your GUI and other things built for you -- a FreeBSD desktop. I hear they install real easily and work well.It is not what I need so I haven't tried them, but rather than raile at those who are building a good platform, just go and get one of those bundles. Seems you actually have already - a pretty close to FreeBSD based bundle anyway. Even if you state the existance of FreeBSD based preinstalled and preconfigured GUI oriented desktop environments, the next problem that will arise is the availability of a live file system that can be booted and tried out, such as: The $NAME Linux distribution can be run from a DVD and I don't have to install it in order to try it out. And when I want, I can install it from the same media. Why can't FreeBSD have such thing? The answer is: Is has. After a short read on the homepage of the FreeBSD project, the reader will have learned that there is a live file system (Fixit) on the install CDs or DVDs. But that's text mode, so no deal. BUT projects like FreeSBIE feature a XFCE driven FreeBSD based preinstalled and preconfigured GUI oriented desktop environment that can be used without installing anything. It's very useful for diagnostics and recovery preparations. And it's FreeBSD. I just wanted to mention it, in case a question like above arises. It usually does. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Desktop Install Option
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 01:54:51AM -0400, Sabeeh Baig wrote: So, I've been wondering about something. FreeBSD is a general purpose operating system, even though it has historically only heavily been used on servers. Why is it that FreeBSD doesn't provide a desktop installation, something similar to say Debian's option of Standard Desktop? For those who need it, it'd be great. Just install any of the destkop environment ports like Gnome, KDE or XFCE, whichever takes your fancy. That will give you the basics. Other apps are just a port away. :-) My workstation has been running FreeBSD since 5.3-RELEASE. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpUrcd1koh7Y.pgp Description: PGP signature
Getting rid of X
In a parallel sort of thread to the current desktop thread, when I installed FreeBSD 7.2 since I had plenty of disk space and memory I installed X, however, I don't need it or really want it. How can I pare that out of the system short of doing a complete rebuild? Scott ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Getting rid of X
Hi, On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Scott Schappellarc...@silvertree.org wrote: In a parallel sort of thread to the current desktop thread, when I installed FreeBSD 7.2 since I had plenty of disk space and memory I installed X, however, I don't need it or really want it. How can I pare that out of the system short of doing a complete rebuild? You can deinstall the x11/xorg metaport. (Or, pkg_delete -x xorg.) The leftovers can be removed with ports-mgmt/pkg_cutleaves. HTH -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Getting rid of X
On Wednesday 19 August 2009 12:17:10 Scott Schappell wrote: In a parallel sort of thread to the current desktop thread, when I installed FreeBSD 7.2 since I had plenty of disk space and memory I installed X, however, I don't need it or really want it. How can I pare that out of the system short of doing a complete rebuild? Install and run pkg-cutleaves, and let it loop through as many iterations as it needs. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
netbooks for freebsd?
I would like to try some experimental software on a netbook. Can somebody recommend a netbook that can do FreeBSD. Requirements: 1) Need to able to wipe out any ms-windows stuff, get installed, boot up and running within 60 minutes of my time. Download, svn checkouts, etc. not included. I've tired of spending weekend marathons for fun 2) Normal user will boot up in graphical interface, connect to net, etc. without anything other than one finger (touchpad?) I'm thinking this is a normal end-user requirement. 3) $200 even possible? 4) hook up gps units? cronjobs? Am I dreaming? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Getting rid of X
On Aug 19, 2009, at 09:19:56, Glen Barber wrote: Hi, You can deinstall the x11/xorg metaport. (Or, pkg_delete -x xorg.) The leftovers can be removed with ports-mgmt/pkg_cutleaves. HTH -- Glen Barber Thanks, Glen and John. I pared out 72 packages. I kept ones that seemed ambiguously related to X just to be on the safe side. Scot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: duplex printing with OOo.
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 05:40:50PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 07:23:07 -0400, Bill Moran wmo...@potentialtech.com wrote: It works for me, using 3 steps: 1) Use CUPS instead of lpd CUPS brings its own lpd, so in fact you're still using a lpd, even if it's not the system one's. :-) It's been years since I tried CUPS; it gives me fits. In short, it has never worked. 2) Install a PPD for the printer that knows about duplex printing It seems that this Brother printer does not come with an operator panel where you can set default modes. As an example, you can tell a HP laserjet 4000 duplex to be duplex by default, so you don't need additional configuration. For modern printers, PPD files are needed to make printer spoolers and filters aware of what capabilities the printer has. This is needed if the printer does not conform to standard printer languages, such as PS or PCL. My networked 5250 does come with a configuration panel. Simplex or Duplex. That lets me do % lpr file single- or double-sided. Regardless, my OpenOffice only prints on one-sided. [?] 3) Install OOo with CUPS support There are some printer settings available in OO, but maybe they do not cover all the printer's capabilities. Might help if I knew how to get CUPS working... Anyway, I'll try CUPS again thanks, gary I don't know if it's possible to do through lpd, though. With a real printer, it works by default. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 5.67a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Recovering files after a crash
Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl writes: Is there a FBSD crash guide? Not that I know of. The only guidance that really matter would be make sure you have backed up critical data. No need for elaborate guides. :-) Any data that isn't securely backed up, including offsite, isn't really important to you. However, having other measures in place can be worthwhile as well, for convenience if nothing else. In particular, a UPS is usually a good idea, and monitoring it so the system does a clean shutdown before running out of power can make it even more so (not in all situations, but in many). Integrity checks on files will catch damage to files; ZFS does this automatically, but mtree(8) can do various types of checksums to serve the purpose as well. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: netbooks for freebsd?
On 2009-08-19 09:29, Jeff Hamann wrote: I would like to try some experimental software on a netbook. Can somebody recommend a netbook that can do FreeBSD. I've put FreeBSD on an Asus Eee PC before. It worked rather nicely. Just be careful, because the wiki[1] page notes that some models contain unsupported hardware. [1] http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee -- Matthew Anthony Kolybabi (Mak) m...@kolybabi.com () ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org | Against proprietary extensions ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: netbooks for freebsd?
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:29:12 -0700, Jeff Hamann jeff.ham...@forestinformatics.com wrote: 1) Need to able to wipe out any ms-windows stuff, get installed, boot up and running within 60 minutes of my time. Download, svn checkouts, etc. not included. I've tired of spending weekend marathons for fun There's a good procedure for what you're mentioning. It takes placec on Asus EEEpc. http://www.unixarea.de/installEeePC.txt There's an updated version, too, but I didn't have that in my bookmarks, and I'm too lazy to google for it. :-) Additionally, check out the FreeBSD wiki at http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee about how to get FreeBSD on there. I'm very sure there are other netbooks that can be used in the same way. 2) Normal user will boot up in graphical interface, Create user; entry al= in /etc/gettytab; set ~/.login to contain startx; ~/.xinitrc and / or ~/.xsession to start DE or WM and autostart applications as desired. Or use KDE. connect to net, Correct settings in /etc/rc.conf for dhclient, or settings for connecting to WLAN APs using the proper configuration files. etc. without anything other than one finger (touchpad?) It's possible to do this with ZERO fingers, automatically. :-) As I said, KDE comes with most functionalities needed for that. I'm thinking this is a normal end-user requirement. I do consider myself as a normal end-user, and I don't have such a requirement, but finally, end-users are quite different, even in what they think about other end-users. :-) 3) $200 even possible? I think it's possible. 4) hook up gps units? cronjobs? First: Don't know, never needed, never tried. Consult documentation of intended GPS unit. Second: Yes. Am I dreaming? No. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: duplex printing with OOo.
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:00:20 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: It's been years since I tried CUPS; it gives me fits. In short, it has never worked. With modern printers that are not standard compliant, you almost have no way around CUPS. Printers that can do PS don't need any printer filter, and those who talk some standard printer language, such as PCL, are fine with gs drivers, as apsfilter employs them. PCL can, for example, control if the printer should use duplex or not, or from which cassette paper should be taken. This allows you to install several printers, if you wish to use redirection to a specific printer according to the features you want. And it's quite easy. Additionally, it'w roth mentioning that (at least office-class) network printers do contain their own printer spooler system that can be remotely controled via FreeBSD. One of the major downsides of CUPS is, in my opinion, that it does not allow you to add a parallel printer that is not connected to the computer at booting time and at the moment you want to make the installtion. Background story: A friend wanted me to install CUPS for his parallel inkjet printer. He told me name and model of the printer, but CUPS didn't let me install it. Sadly, there seem to be various printer filters that can be used on FreeBSD, and you have to select the correct one according to your printer: none, apsfilter, CUPS, hpijs, gimp-print, gutenprint... My networked 5250 does come with a configuration panel. Simplex or Duplex. That lets me do % lpr file single- or double-sided. Regardless, my OpenOffice only prints on one-sided. [?] An idea might be the following: OpenOffice outputs to PCL or PS and defaults to a single page setting that is forced upon the printer and overriding the preferred setting (duplex) from the operator panel. I had this problem with the HP Laserjet 4000 duplex, too. My solution was to explicitely check the filter, a gs command, to take the printer's setting; but that's not CUPS, it's apsfilter, the more lightweight but limited to quite standard hardware little brother of CUPS. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Desktop Install Option
Sabeeh Baig wrote: So, I've been wondering about something. FreeBSD is a general purpose operating system, even though it has historically only heavily been used on servers. Why is it that FreeBSD doesn't provide a desktop installation, something similar to say Debian's option of Standard Desktop? For those who need it, it'd be great. Aloha Manolis Desk Top with XFCE works! Have a look at Manolis Kiagias work at http://freebsd-custom.wikidot.com/downloads-page I run it on a HP MIni from a San Disk. +++ -- ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please help to uninstall FreeBSD!!!
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:23:29 -0700 Walt Pawley w...@wump.org At 4:44 PM +0200 8/17/09, Heiner Strauß wrote: [..] Putting the symbol names in one word helped the linker / loader a lot. Live was so easy. Heiner C(one word = 32 bit) .NOT. (some word processor software) As something of an ancient curmudgeon these days, I've enjoyed this discussion. As speculation on my part, perhaps the six character limitation is less a software issue than an early architecture issue - DEC's PDP-6/10 design used 36-bit words and packed six characters (clearly from a limited subset of the then current ASCII) per word, making simple searches very effective through symbol tables with a simple word level compare loop. Can I play in the ancient curmudgeonly nostalgia reunion too? While likely not all that closely related to the issue, I recall a technique I was introduced to on Control Data systems called COSY, in which one punched binary coded Hollerith cards with two characters per column encoded (six bits per character). Of course, such cards required excellent handling equipment (which Control Data had) because a stack of cards punched with 960 holes in each one had lots of opportunity for hanging chads. First real systems programming job was converting $multinat's data files from NCR 315 format (12-bit 'slabs' holding 2 6-bit alphanum upper-case characters or 3 4-bit BCD numbers, on 7 track tape and some paper tape) to IBM 360 format (8 bit EBCDIC chars or BCD numerics, on 9 track tape), which only took about 4 months, replacing a whole floor tons of gear. The NCR was also clearly designed around 80-column punch cards; 2 alphas or 3 digits or one 12-bit instruction code per column. The programmer's art was judged (by peers, not management :) on what your best single card 80-slab program could do once booted .. test runs of which involved turning up at the end of The Operator's shift and likely offering some $inducement, after conning one of the punch girls into typing 160 chars of utter gibberish for no apparent reason .. /OT nostalgia cheers, Ian___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: duplex printing with OOo.
Well, after umch mucking around, the Brother 5250DN works with OO and prints in Duplex only if I turn the dialog to OFF where is say Duplex __ [arrows] Now that that's resolved, I can change the printer web page config back to Simplex and everything will be fine. The King will be in his heaven; God will be in his Counting_House, c. gary -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 5.67a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: netbooks for freebsd?
Jeff Hamann wrote: I would like to try some experimental software on a netbook. Can somebody recommend a netbook that can do FreeBSD. Requirements: 1) Need to able to wipe out any ms-windows stuff, get installed, boot up and running within 60 minutes of my time. Download, svn checkouts, etc. not included. I've tired of spending weekend marathons for fun 2) Normal user will boot up in graphical interface, connect to net, etc. without anything other than one finger (touchpad?) I'm thinking this is a normal end-user requirement. 3) $200 even possible? 4) hook up gps units? cronjobs? Am I dreaming? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Aloha, I installed Manolis desktop (DVD) on a sandisc and it works fine from a USB port on an HP 1000 mini netbook. (The netbook has Ubuntu Linux on the internal drive BTW). So I figured it would work with another UNIX. http://freebsd-custom.wikidot.com/downloads-page ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: duplex printing with OOo.
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:05:19 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: Well, after umch mucking around, the Brother 5250DN works with OO and prints in Duplex only if I turn the dialog to OFF where is say Duplex __ [arrows] Do I understand this correctly? Duplex works in OO when duplex is set to OFF = no duplex? Oh joy of modern software! This reminds me to a POS program with a very creative error handling, it went like this: switch error case 1: printer not connected; case 2: scanner not connected; case 4: keyboard not connected; case 8: some other error; ... default: file not found; (without mentioning which file) Maybe OO should add something like In order to activate a feature, deactivate it. :-) Now that that's resolved, I can change the printer web page config back to Simplex and everything will be fine. The King will be in his heaven; God will be in his Counting_House, c. I hope both are well, up and running. :-) By the way, long time that I saw someone write c.. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: netbooks for freebsd?
Al Plant wrote: Jeff Hamann wrote: I would like to try some experimental software on a netbook. Can somebody recommend a netbook that can do FreeBSD. Requirements: 1) Need to able to wipe out any ms-windows stuff, get installed, boot up and running within 60 minutes of my time. Download, svn checkouts, etc. not included. I've tired of spending weekend marathons for fun 2) Normal user will boot up in graphical interface, connect to net, etc. without anything other than one finger (touchpad?) I'm thinking this is a normal end-user requirement. 3) $200 even possible? 4) hook up gps units? cronjobs? Am I dreaming? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Aloha, I installed Manolis desktop (DVD) on a sandisc and it works fine from a USB port on an HP 1000 mini netbook. (The netbook has Ubuntu Linux on the internal drive BTW). So I figured it would work with another UNIX. http://freebsd-custom.wikidot.com/downloads-page Aspire One (the original one) also works nicely with FreeBSD. If buying a newer model it is best to check it at a shop display or stg, since the hardware has changed and some models may be incompatible (esp. check video card and wireless chipset. The original one is equipped with Intel 950 and an Atheros wireless. Avoid models with the Z520 - Z530 atom cpu. Go for an N270-280 model). The biggest problems with running FreeBSD on such a device (at least in my opinion) are: - Suspend and resume not working. Using powerd though, battery time is quite good - CPU is underpowered so forget compiling ports on it (the occasional small port is OK, larger stuff is a no go). Kernel compilation takes 55 minutes on the One. A quick note on the XFCE DVD: I will be releasing a version based on FreeBSD 8, soon after 8.0 is released. I will also rerun a 7.2 build at about the same time. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Getting rid of X
John Nielsen wrote: On Wednesday 19 August 2009 12:17:10 Scott Schappell wrote: In a parallel sort of thread to the current desktop thread, when I installed FreeBSD 7.2 since I had plenty of disk space and memory I installed X, however, I don't need it or really want it. How can I pare that out of the system short of doing a complete rebuild? Install and run pkg-cutleaves, and let it loop through as many iterations as it needs. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org To be safe, after you have deleted leaf ports you can install ports-mgmt/portmanager and run 'portmanager -s' redirected to a file then you will have a list of any missing ports. 'portmanager -u' will reinstall them for you. Of course you can probably do the same with portmaster or portupgrade but I've found portmanager does a pretty good job. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: netbooks for freebsd?
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:11:20PM +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: Al Plant wrote: Jeff Hamann wrote: I would like to try some experimental software on a netbook. Can somebody recommend a netbook that can do FreeBSD. Too soon to know, but I've just ordered the Starling, a netbook sold by System76.com. They ship it with Ubuntu, and that means it may well run other *nixes as well. I've got a copy of PC-BSD I'm excited to try to load on it, since I'm not a big fan of Ubuntu in general. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: duplex printing with OOo.
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 08:28:34PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:05:19 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: Well, after umch mucking around, the Brother 5250DN works with OO and prints in Duplex only if I turn the dialog to OFF where is say Duplex __ [arrows] Do I understand this correctly? Duplex works in OO when duplex is set to OFF = no duplex? Oh joy of modern software! that should have been:: Duplex _OFF_ [arrows] This reminds me to a POS program with a very creative error handling, it went like this: switch error case 1: printer not connected; case 2: scanner not connected; case 4: keyboard not connected; case 8: some other error; ... default: file not found; (without mentioning which file) LMOA! man, that's rich... sounds like some seriously lazy hacking to me... . Maybe OO should add something like In order to activate a feature, deactivate it. :-) i'm actually starting a ~/.helpOOo file with tricks and tips about the program, mostly swriter. there are some pretty sharp folks over on oooforum.org. luckily:_) Now that that's resolved, I can change the printer web page config back to Simplex and everything will be fine. The King will be in his heaven; God will be in his Counting_House, c. I hope both are well, up and running. :-) By the way, long time that I saw someone write c.. not sure if easier to type etc. or c, given the shift-7 == '' ... but it's different. gary -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 5.67a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
kein Betreff
Dear list, I'd like to install FreeBSD 7.2 on my computer for testing purpuse and eventually remove my Linux installation. Using FreeBSD in VirtualBox works fine, so far. I can't install it on my real hardware, as the installation media won't boot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41639...@n06/3835572003/ The boot menu appears, but as soon as I press a button OR around one second elapses I get a message from the bootstrap loader (have a look at the image). Can't work out which disk we are booting from. And the system seems frozen. This happens with the AMD64 install media. Using i386 install media I get the same message, but the system reboots automatically. Even the PC-BSD install media have the same problem. My hardware: Gigabyte board with AMD 770 chipset, two SATA disk in AHCI mode, an IDE DVD drive (so nothing special). Other bootable optical disks (e.g. using isolinux or grub) work fine. What might be the problem? Thanks a lot for your help, O.Leidinger __ GRATIS für alle WEB.DE-Nutzer: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://movieflat.web.de ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kein Betreff
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Olaf Leidingerleid...@web.de wrote: Dear list, I'd like to install FreeBSD 7.2 on my computer for testing purpuse and eventually remove my Linux installation. Using FreeBSD in VirtualBox works fine, so far. I can't install it on my real hardware, as the installation media won't boot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41639...@n06/3835572003/ The boot menu appears, but as soon as I press a button OR around one second elapses I get a message from the bootstrap loader (have a look at the image). Can't work out which disk we are booting from. And the system seems frozen. This happens with the AMD64 install media. Using i386 install media I get the same message, but the system reboots automatically. Even the PC-BSD install media have the same problem. My hardware: Gigabyte board with AMD 770 chipset, two SATA disk in AHCI mode, an IDE DVD drive (so nothing special). Try disabling AHCI. I had to do that on an Intel board. Other bootable optical disks (e.g. using isolinux or grub) work fine. What might be the problem? Thanks a lot for your help, Hope it does help. :-) -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: netbooks for freebsd?
Al Plant wrote: Jeff Hamann wrote: I would like to try some experimental software on a netbook. Can somebody recommend a netbook that can do FreeBSD. I'm displeased with my Lenovo S10. On the upside, all the hardware worked on 7.2 out of the box, after I swapped the internal broadcom wifi for a highpower atheros. The ACPI is a real nightmare on it, however. dmesg is constantly full of acpi barfs, and it hangs on shutdown, and won't suspend, which is pretty much a requirement for a notebook at my house. Tried all the standard lenovo acpi hacks, but no luck. Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: netbooks for freebsd?
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Manolis Kiagias wrote: Aspire One (the original one) also works nicely with FreeBSD. If buying a newer model it is best to check it at a shop display or stg, since the hardware has changed and some models may be incompatible (esp. check video card and wireless chipset. The original one is equipped with Intel 950 and an Atheros wireless. Avoid models with the Z520 - Z530 atom cpu. Go for an N270-280 model). The biggest problems with running FreeBSD on such a device (at least in my opinion) are: - Suspend and resume not working. Using powerd though, battery time is quite good - CPU is underpowered so forget compiling ports on it (the occasional small port is OK, larger stuff is a no go). Kernel compilation takes 55 minutes on the One. There are a lot of variations of the One. I just installed 8.0 on an AOA150. This is the version with the 160G hard drive instead of an SSD, and it's really not bad for building ports. ccache helps with building kernel and world. Neither of the two card readers seems to be supported, unfortunately. One way around hardware problems for the original purpose would be to run FreeBSD in a VM on Windows. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
csh tcsh history missing after reboot FBSD_8
Aloha, Terminal history gone. I cannot get any recent version of FreeBSD 8.* to keep the csh or tcsh history across a reboot in root or usr. It stays after exit and a new login however. This happens on several machines that previously ran FreeBSD 7* with no issues. One runs AMD64 and one i386 versions.I can load Manolis Kiagias Desk top version on them and it works fine as do other 7.* versions. I suspect it has to do with PXE ? or something changed in the later versions of 8 Current BETA 1 and 2 since I have 2 boxes running early versions of 8 CURRENT where everything works fine and the history remains in tact following a reboot. What can I do to get the history to remain in memory across a reboot? Changing the capicity of set history to greater than 100 does not affect it. Thanks ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Flash10 with 8.0-BETA2 and Firefox 3.5.2
On 8.0-BETA2 with www/linux-f10-flashplugin10 and www/firefox35 installed. As per the Handbook, a soft link in /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins to /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so. nspluginwrapper -a -i runs normally. linprocfs mounted, and nspluginwrapper -l shows /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/libflashplayer.so. But about:plugins shows nothing but the default plugin. Is something else necessary? -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: csh tcsh history missing after reboot FBSD_8
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Al Plant wrote: Aloha, Terminal history gone. I cannot get any recent version of FreeBSD 8.* to keep the csh or tcsh history across a reboot in root or usr. It stays after exit and a new login however. Does the history stick around if you do shutdown -r now instead of reboot? -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: csh tcsh history missing after reboot FBSD_8
Warren Block wrote: On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Al Plant wrote: Aloha, Terminal history gone. I cannot get any recent version of FreeBSD 8.* to keep the csh or tcsh history across a reboot in root or usr. It stays after exit and a new login however. Does the history stick around if you do shutdown -r now instead of reboot? -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA Aloha Warren, No. I used shutdown -r now and shutdown -h now and they both blow it away. -- ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: csh tcsh history missing after reboot FBSD_8
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Al Plant wrote: Warren Block wrote: On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Al Plant wrote: Terminal history gone. I cannot get any recent version of FreeBSD 8.* to keep the csh or tcsh history across a reboot in root or usr. It stays after exit and a new login however. Does the history stick around if you do shutdown -r now instead of reboot? No. I used shutdown -r now and shutdown -h now and they both blow it away. My thinking was that reboot is more abrupt than shutdown, and killed the shell without giving it a chance to write out the history. But I've never noticed the history in a csh being written out before a reboot of either type. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kein Betreff
On 8/19/09, Olaf Leidinger leid...@web.de wrote: Dear list, I'd like to install FreeBSD 7.2 on my computer for testing purpuse and eventually remove my Linux installation. Using FreeBSD in VirtualBox works fine, so far. I can't install it on my real hardware, as the installation media won't boot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41639...@n06/3835572003/ The boot menu appears, but as soon as I press a button OR around one second elapses I get a message from the bootstrap loader (have a look at the image). Can't work out which disk we are booting from. And the system seems frozen. This happens with the AMD64 install media. Using i386 install media I get the same message, but the system reboots automatically. Even the PC-BSD install media have the same problem. My hardware: Gigabyte board with AMD 770 chipset, two SATA disk in AHCI mode, an IDE DVD drive (so nothing special). Other bootable optical disks (e.g. using isolinux or grub) work fine. What might be the problem? Thanks a lot for your help, O.Leidinger General answer to anyone having trouble booting or working reliably in bsd: In BIOS, disable PnP OS (may not have this exact verbiage, another common one is Win95 installed) Also in BIOS, disable power management (HDD spindown, system standby, etc) try booting again. If it still fails, go into BIOS and Load Safe Defaults or whatever they call it, resetting all tweaks of the BIOS config to defaults and try booting. Some mobos just have quirks that need a BIOS update, try that last. Welcome to BSD. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [OT] Vim mailing list
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 01:59:05AM -0400, Glen Barber wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:43 AM, Steve Bertrandst...@ibctech.ca wrote: Apologies up front for the off-topic'dness. I'm thoroughly enjoying my new editor, and swiftly learning and experiencing the benefits. As a matter of fact, nearly everywhere I type, the common commands come naturally, and I get frustrated that all of my software doesn't work like vi does :) Getting to the point, I'd like to find a vi(m) community, but the list subscribe that appears authoritative for vim-users bounces. I despise and refuse to belong to web forums. Given that, where can I go to follow vim discussions, without having to bring it up OT here on my favourite list? Hi, Steve Google has a Vim group. I'm not sure if you need a Google account or not. And, of course, there's this one: http://www.vim.org/maillist.php I'm a member of that list which is a straightforward mailing list AFAIK (Disclaimer: I do have a google account but I can't remember if that was necessary to sign up). I've found it a very helpful list and I've learnt a lot being subscribed to it despite being a +10yr user of vim. Even Bram Molenaar posts there occasionally. Recommended reading. Regards, -- Glen Barber Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
