Re: FreeBSD 8.0 p#3

2010-06-28 Thread Matthew Seaman
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On 28/06/2010 04:42:21, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
 Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote:
 
 Fix your ports supfile: for ports you /always/ want HEAD ...
 
 s/always/almost /
 
 If one wanted to download a copy of the ports tree as it existed
 when, say, 6.1 was released, specifying the corresponding tag would
 be the way to get it.  Granted one seldom wants a frozen checkpoint
 like that.

You know, practically speaking, the only people that actually need to
use anything other than HEAD in a ports supfile are the people building
the packages to go with a system release.  And they only need to do that
right around the point the release is being cut.

The whole mindset that you need to match the ports tree to the OS
version you have installed is just wrong[*].  Especially if you try and
back-rev as far as 6.1-RELEASE.  You're just going to be ignoring
several years worth of bug fixes, not to mention opening yourself to any
number of security holes that have since been discovered and closed.
Granted you cannot use the current ports tree with a 6.1-RELEASE box.
This is a hint that you really need to upgrade the OS as well as the
ports...

Cheers,

Matthew

[*] Even if you will be installing 8.1-RELEASE on the day it is released
and using packages from the install media, you should still be checking
for updated packages and security patches.

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slapd crash the HP proliant DL360 at 8.0

2010-06-28 Thread Frank Bonnet

Hello

I had BIG trouble saturday morning with a HP proliant DL360
that runs our directory server ( OpenLDAP )

Tha machine had crashed ...

Anyone had the same trouble running slapd at 8.0 ?

I must find out what happened , software or hardware trouble.

Thank you

F
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How to running air video server on FreeBSD

2010-06-28 Thread Jihun, SEO
1. reading below site document.
- http://eincs.net/76
-
http://wiki.birth-online.de/wbrknow-how/hardware...riphone/airvideo-server-linux
- http://www.inmethod.com/air-video/licenses.html

2. Install ports
- faad
- x264-dev
- x264

3. download air video server
-
http://inmethod.com/air-video/download/linux/alpha3/AirVideoServerLinux.jar
- air video server program
- support to iOS4
- http://inmethod.com/air-video/download/linux/alpha1/test.properties
- air video server properties

4. install FFMPEG
- first visit http://www.inmethod.com/air-video/licenses.html and
download ffmpeg 2.2.5
- Others ffmpeg never run on air video server. Only there version 2.2.5
running on air video server.
- install progress
1) ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/ffmpeg-for-2.2.5 --enable-pthreads
--disable-shared --enable-static --enable-gpl --enable-libx264
--enable-libmp3lame --enable-libfaad --disable-decoder=aac
--extra-cflags=-I/usr/local/src/x264-snap -I/usr/local/include
-D__BSD_VISIBLE --extra-ldflags=-L/usr/local/lib
2) make
3) cp ffmpeg /usr/local/bin/ffmpeg

5. Edit test.properties
- if you want subtitle, edit subtitles.encoding, subtitles.font.

6. Running server
- java -jar AirVideoServerLinux.jar test.properties

Enjoy your air video~^^
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Re: slapd crash the HP proliant DL360 at 8.0

2010-06-28 Thread Erik Nørgaard
On 28/giu/2010, at 09:50, Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr wrote:

 Hello
 
 I had BIG trouble saturday morning with a HP proliant DL360
 that runs our directory server ( OpenLDAP )
 
 Tha machine had crashed ...
 
 Anyone had the same trouble running slapd at 8.0 ?
 
 I must find out what happened , software or hardware trouble

It is impossible to answer that based on the above information. 

Check your logs. If you can't find any useful log entries increase loglevel, 
restart and see if problem repeats. 

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Re: slapd crash the HP proliant DL360 at 8.0

2010-06-28 Thread Peter Boosten
On 28-6-2010 9:50, Frank Bonnet wrote:
 Hello
 
 I had BIG trouble saturday morning with a HP proliant DL360
 that runs our directory server ( OpenLDAP )
 
 Tha machine had crashed ...
 
 Anyone had the same trouble running slapd at 8.0 ?


No, you can eliminate that factor. Runs fine on my machine.

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Re: slapd crash the HP proliant DL360 at 8.0

2010-06-28 Thread Frank Bonnet

Argh !!!

I upgraded slapd to 2.4.22 and it does not start anymore !!!

some symbol cannot be found anymore

I had to revert to 2.3.4x to have a working slapd !!!

What's wrong with 2.4.22 folks ?



On 06/28/2010 10:27 AM, Erik Nørgaard wrote:

On 28/giu/2010, at 09:50, Frank Bonnetf.bon...@esiee.fr  wrote:


Hello

I had BIG trouble saturday morning with a HP proliant DL360
that runs our directory server ( OpenLDAP )

Tha machine had crashed ...

Anyone had the same trouble running slapd at 8.0 ?

I must find out what happened , software or hardware trouble


It is impossible to answer that based on the above information.

Check your logs. If you can't find any useful log entries increase loglevel, 
restart and see if problem repeats.

BR

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Re: slapd crash the HP proliant DL360 at 8.0

2010-06-28 Thread Ivan Voras
On 06/28/10 11:56, Frank Bonnet wrote:
 Argh !!!
 
 I upgraded slapd to 2.4.22 and it does not start anymore !!!
 
 some symbol cannot be found anymore
 
 I had to revert to 2.3.4x to have a working slapd !!!
 
 What's wrong with 2.4.22 folks ?

PEBKAC.

How did you upgrade it (and more importantly - why, if it was working
fine and was critical to you)?

In the event of a crash you may have only needed to repair OpenLDAP's
database (if using BDB, with db_recover) and continue.

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Re: slapd crash the HP proliant DL360 at 8.0

2010-06-28 Thread Julien Cigar

On 06/28/2010 11:56, Frank Bonnet wrote:

Argh !!!

I upgraded slapd to 2.4.22 and it does not start anymore !!!

some symbol cannot be found anymore

I had to revert to 2.3.4x to have a working slapd !!!

What's wrong with 2.4.22 folks ?




did you rebuilt all ports which depend on openldap-server ? (portmaster 
-r openldap-server).


also if you want to replace openldap-server23 with openldap-server24 I 
would use portmaster -o




On 06/28/2010 10:27 AM, Erik Nørgaard wrote:

On 28/giu/2010, at 09:50, Frank Bonnetf.bon...@esiee.fr wrote:


Hello

I had BIG trouble saturday morning with a HP proliant DL360
that runs our directory server ( OpenLDAP )

Tha machine had crashed ...

Anyone had the same trouble running slapd at 8.0 ?

I must find out what happened , software or hardware trouble


It is impossible to answer that based on the above information.

Check your logs. If you can't find any useful log entries increase
loglevel, restart and see if problem repeats.

BR

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Would you recommend installing 8.1RC2?

2010-06-28 Thread Antonio Vieiro

Hi all,

I'm brand new to FreeBSD. I've got 8.0-RELEASE up and running in my main 
workstation and I'm quite happy with it. Great job  congratulations.


I'm eager to try out 8.1, and I was thinking of trying it out on my 
laptop for my daily work (I'm currently running OpenSolaris 2009.06).


My question is: if I install 8.1 RC2 would it be very difficult to 
upgrade it to 8.1-RELEASE afterwards? Would you recommend installing 
8.1-RC2 right now or would you wait until 8.1-RELEASE is out within a 
few days?


Thanks in advance,
Antonio
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Re: slapd crash the HP proliant DL360 at 8.0

2010-06-28 Thread Erik Nørgaard
On 28/giu/2010, at 11:56, Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr wrote:

 Argh !!!
 
 I upgraded slapd to 2.4.22 and it does not start anymore !!!
 
 some symbol cannot be found anymore
 
 I had to revert to 2.3.4x to have a working slapd !!!
 
 What's wrong with 2.4.22 folks ?

I don't think there's anything wrong except with your upgrading. Openldap uses 
Berkeley DB as backend and upgrading your ldap you may also have upgraded to a 
different bdb. 

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Re: slapd crash the HP proliant DL360 at 8.0

2010-06-28 Thread Frank Bonnet



On 06/28/2010 12:15 PM, Ivan Voras wrote:

On 06/28/10 11:56, Frank Bonnet wrote:

Argh !!!

I upgraded slapd to 2.4.22 and it does not start anymore !!!

some symbol cannot be found anymore

I had to revert to 2.3.4x to have a working slapd !!!

What's wrong with 2.4.22 folks ?


PEBKAC.

How did you upgrade it (and more importantly - why, if it was working
fine and was critical to you)?


I did this :

cvsup -g -L 2 ports-supfile
cd /usr/ports/net/openldap24-server
make ( I reuse the same config )
make deinstall
make reinstall

This worked fine until I tried to upgrade to 2.4.22 ( 2.4.21 running )




In the event of a crash you may have only needed to repair OpenLDAP's
database (if using BDB, with db_recover) and continue.


the database was OK the 2.4.21 slapd daemon has restarted well



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Re: slapd crash the HP proliant DL360 at 8.0

2010-06-28 Thread Matthew Seaman
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On 28/06/2010 12:23:36, Erik Nørgaard wrote:
 On 28/giu/2010, at 11:56, Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr wrote:
 
 Argh !!!

 I upgraded slapd to 2.4.22 and it does not start anymore !!!

 some symbol cannot be found anymore

 I had to revert to 2.3.4x to have a working slapd !!!

 What's wrong with 2.4.22 folks ?
 
 I don't think there's anything wrong except with your upgrading. Openldap 
 uses Berkeley DB as backend and upgrading your ldap you may also have 
 upgraded to a different bdb. 

As I recall, slapd frequently won't read the BDB data files from a
different minor version (eg 2.3 - 2.4).  Basically you should dump your
LDAP directory using slapcat, move aside your old /var/db/openldap and
create a new one, upgrade slapd, use slapadd to reload your data, then
restart slapd.

As a matter of course when updating slapd, always use slapcat to grab a
copy of the directory before starting.  You can't always tell if the
update will require you to reload the data, so it's wise to always be
prepared.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: slapd crash the HP proliant DL360 at 8.0

2010-06-28 Thread Frank Bonnet

the exact error message is the following :

 /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/libexec/slapd: Undefined symbol
   ldap_pvt_csnstr


On 06/28/2010 12:18 PM, Julien Cigar wrote:

On 06/28/2010 11:56, Frank Bonnet wrote:

Argh !!!

I upgraded slapd to 2.4.22 and it does not start anymore !!!

some symbol cannot be found anymore

I had to revert to 2.3.4x to have a working slapd !!!

What's wrong with 2.4.22 folks ?




did you rebuilt all ports which depend on openldap-server ? (portmaster
-r openldap-server).

also if you want to replace openldap-server23 with openldap-server24 I
would use portmaster -o



On 06/28/2010 10:27 AM, Erik Nørgaard wrote:

On 28/giu/2010, at 09:50, Frank Bonnetf.bon...@esiee.fr wrote:


Hello

I had BIG trouble saturday morning with a HP proliant DL360
that runs our directory server ( OpenLDAP )

Tha machine had crashed ...

Anyone had the same trouble running slapd at 8.0 ?

I must find out what happened , software or hardware trouble


It is impossible to answer that based on the above information.

Check your logs. If you can't find any useful log entries increase
loglevel, restart and see if problem repeats.

BR

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Re: slapd crash the HP proliant DL360 at 8.0

2010-06-28 Thread Frank Bonnet



On 06/28/2010 01:47 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote:

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On 28/06/2010 12:23:36, Erik Nørgaard wrote:

On 28/giu/2010, at 11:56, Frank Bonnetf.bon...@esiee.fr  wrote:


Argh !!!

I upgraded slapd to 2.4.22 and it does not start anymore !!!

some symbol cannot be found anymore

I had to revert to 2.3.4x to have a working slapd !!!

What's wrong with 2.4.22 folks ?


I don't think there's anything wrong except with your upgrading. Openldap uses 
Berkeley DB as backend and upgrading your ldap you may also have upgraded to a 
different bdb.


As I recall, slapd frequently won't read the BDB data files from a
different minor version (eg 2.3 -  2.4).  Basically you should dump your
LDAP directory using slapcat, move aside your old /var/db/openldap and
create a new one, upgrade slapd, use slapadd to reload your data, then
restart slapd.


Yes of course I always did this




As a matter of course when updating slapd, always use slapcat to grab a
copy of the directory before starting.  You can't always tell if the
update will require you to reload the data, so it's wise to always be
prepared.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: Would you recommend installing 8.1RC2?

2010-06-28 Thread David Rawling

On 28/06/2010 8:37 PM, Antonio Vieiro wrote:
I'm brand new to FreeBSD. I've got 8.0-RELEASE up and running in my 
main workstation and I'm quite happy with it. Great job  
congratulations.


I'm eager to try out 8.1, and I was thinking of trying it out on my 
laptop for my daily work (I'm currently running OpenSolaris 2009.06).


My question is: if I install 8.1 RC2 would it be very difficult to 
upgrade it to 8.1-RELEASE afterwards? Would you recommend installing 
8.1-RC2 right now or would you wait until 8.1-RELEASE is out within a 
few days?


Thanks in advance,
Antonio
Hmm. Well apart from the fact that I can't find an 8.1-RC2 release 
(8.1-RC1 is the most recent I can locate) - I'd probably wait a bit - 
especially if you're a newcomer like me.


While upgrading should be easy in most cases (freebsd-update upgrade -r 
8.1-RELEASE ; freebsd-update install) ... I am having trouble with my 
8.1-RC1 x64 VM - fetching files is failing with size mismatches.


To me it appears that either my firewall/proxy, or the web server/fetch 
client cannot agree on the transmission of compressed files. I get size 
mismatches because the file gets decompressed somewhere along the way. I 
suspect the proxy but I haven't been able to prove it yet.


Still, building a test/practice machine on 8.1-RC1 is certainly a good 
plan. If nothing else you can validate your port set :)


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Re: slapd crash the HP proliant DL360 at 8.0

2010-06-28 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:56:50AM +0200, Frank Bonnet wrote:

 Argh !!!
 
 I upgraded slapd to 2.4.22 and it does not start anymore !!!
 
 some symbol cannot be found anymore
 
 I had to revert to 2.3.4x to have a working slapd !!!
 
 What's wrong with 2.4.22 folks ?
 

That is, by far, not enough information to help with the problem.

First you will have to ask the slapd people.   
Second, you need to include a lot more specific information
such as log messages, OS version, error messages on the screen[s]
and any things you had to configure to run it and possible other
things.

Just saying 'don't work' will not be adequate for any response.

jerry


 
 On 06/28/2010 10:27 AM, Erik Nørgaard wrote:
 On 28/giu/2010, at 09:50, Frank Bonnetf.bon...@esiee.fr  wrote:
 
 Hello
 
 I had BIG trouble saturday morning with a HP proliant DL360
 that runs our directory server ( OpenLDAP )
 
 Tha machine had crashed ...
 
 Anyone had the same trouble running slapd at 8.0 ?
 
 I must find out what happened , software or hardware trouble
 
 It is impossible to answer that based on the above information.
 
 Check your logs. If you can't find any useful log entries increase 
 loglevel, restart and see if problem repeats.
 
 BR
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Re: Would you recommend installing 8.1RC2?

2010-06-28 Thread RW
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 12:37:14 +0200
Antonio Vieiro anto...@antonioshome.net wrote:


 I'm eager to try out 8.1,

Personally, I don't ever recall seeing a noticeable difference after a
minor base-system update. Most user visible change comes from ports.
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Re: Would you recommend installing 8.1RC2?

2010-06-28 Thread Antonio Vieiro

Hi all,

Thanks all for your replies.

First of all: I've seen 8.1RC2 announced here:
http://www.evilcoder.org/2010/06/27/freebsd-8-1-rc2-released/
But there're no links, I imagine it's about to be released or something.

I think I'll try 8.1RC2 as soon as it's released. I also think that the 
differences should be minimal. I think I'll start reinstalling the 
workstation first (so that I can cross-compile ports to my laptop 
afterwards) and then I'll go through the process of backing-up my laptop 
and installing FreeBSD there.


Thanks again,
Antonio


On 28/06/10 17:22, RW wrote:

On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 12:37:14 +0200
Antonio Vieiroanto...@antonioshome.net  wrote:



I'm eager to try out 8.1,


Personally, I don't ever recall seeing a noticeable difference after a
minor base-system update. Most user visible change comes from ports.
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Re: slapd crash the HP proliant DL360 at 8.0

2010-06-28 Thread Peter Boosten


On 28 jun 2010, at 11:56, Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr wrote:


Argh !!!

I upgraded slapd to 2.4.22 and it does not start anymore !!!

some symbol cannot be found anymore

I had to revert to 2.3.4x to have a working slapd !!!

What's wrong with 2.4.22 folks ?




Just checked: I'm running 2.4.22 on 8.0, no problems so far.

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Re: FreeBSD 8.0 p#3

2010-06-28 Thread krad
On 28 June 2010 07:14, Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.ukwrote:

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 On 28/06/2010 04:42:21, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
  Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote:
 
  Fix your ports supfile: for ports you /always/ want HEAD ...
 
  s/always/almost /
 
  If one wanted to download a copy of the ports tree as it existed
  when, say, 6.1 was released, specifying the corresponding tag would
  be the way to get it.  Granted one seldom wants a frozen checkpoint
  like that.

 You know, practically speaking, the only people that actually need to
 use anything other than HEAD in a ports supfile are the people building
 the packages to go with a system release.  And they only need to do that
 right around the point the release is being cut.

 The whole mindset that you need to match the ports tree to the OS
 version you have installed is just wrong[*].  Especially if you try and
 back-rev as far as 6.1-RELEASE.  You're just going to be ignoring
 several years worth of bug fixes, not to mention opening yourself to any
 number of security holes that have since been discovered and closed.
 Granted you cannot use the current ports tree with a 6.1-RELEASE box.
 This is a hint that you really need to upgrade the OS as well as the
 ports...

Cheers,

Matthew

 [*] Even if you will be installing 8.1-RELEASE on the day it is released
 and using packages from the install media, you should still be checking
 for updated packages and security patches.

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If you do need to install packages that were released with the original os
build then the easiest way to do it is thus:

 export 
PACKAGESITE=ftp://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/ports/`uname
-a | awk '{print $NF}'`/packages-`uname  -r | sed s/STABLE/RELEASE/ |
tr 'A-Z' 'a-z'`/Latest/
 pkg_add -r package
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Re: slapd crash the HP proliant DL360 at 8.0

2010-06-28 Thread Frank Bonnet



On 06/28/2010 05:40 PM, Peter Boosten wrote:


On 28 jun 2010, at 11:56, Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr wrote:


Argh !!!

I upgraded slapd to 2.4.22 and it does not start anymore !!!

some symbol cannot be found anymore

I had to revert to 2.3.4x to have a working slapd !!!

What's wrong with 2.4.22 folks ?




Just checked: I'm running 2.4.22 on 8.0, no problems so far.

Peter


Hello

could you tell which options you checked  ?
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Re: slapd crash the HP proliant DL360 at 8.0

2010-06-28 Thread Peter Boosten

On 28 jun 2010, at 17:46, Frank Bonnet wrote:

 
 
 On 06/28/2010 05:40 PM, Peter Boosten wrote:
 
 On 28 jun 2010, at 11:56, Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr wrote:
 
 Argh !!!
 
 I upgraded slapd to 2.4.22 and it does not start anymore !!!
 
 some symbol cannot be found anymore
 
 I had to revert to 2.3.4x to have a working slapd !!!
 
 What's wrong with 2.4.22 folks ?
 
 
 
 Just checked: I'm running 2.4.22 on 8.0, no problems so far.
 
 Peter
 
 Hello
 
 could you tell which options you checked  ?

I'm actually running openldap-sasl-server-2.4.22, from 

Origin:
net/openldap24-server

ra% cd /var/db/ports/openldap24 
ra% less options 
# This file is auto-generated by 'make config'.
# No user-servicable parts inside!
# Options for openldap-sasl-server-2.4.15
_OPTIONS_READ=openldap-sasl-server-2.4.15
WITH_SASL=true
WITHOUT_DYNACL=true
WITHOUT_ACI=true
WITHOUT_DNSSRV=true
WITHOUT_PASSWD=true
WITHOUT_PERL=true
WITHOUT_RELAY=true
WITHOUT_SHELL=true
WITHOUT_SOCK=true
WITHOUT_ODBC=true
WITHOUT_RLOOKUPS=true
WITHOUT_SLP=true
WITHOUT_SLAPI=true
WITH_TCP_WRAPPERS=true
WITH_BDB=true
WITHOUT_ACCESSLOG=true
WITHOUT_AUDITLOG=true
WITHOUT_COLLECT=true
WITHOUT_CONSTRAINT=true
WITHOUT_DDS=true
WITHOUT_DEREF=true
WITHOUT_DYNGROUP=true
WITHOUT_DYNLIST=true
WITHOUT_LASTMOD=true
WITHOUT_MEMBEROF=true
WITHOUT_PPOLICY=true
WITHOUT_PROXYCACHE=true
WITHOUT_REFINT=true
WITHOUT_RETCODE=true
WITHOUT_RWM=true
WITH_SEQMOD=true
WITH_SYNCPROV=true
WITHOUT_TRANSLUCENT=true
WITHOUT_UNIQUE=true
WITHOUT_VALSORT=true
WITHOUT_SMBPWD=true
WITH_DYNAMIC_BACKENDS=true

Hope this helps.

Peter


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Re: x11/xfce ssh-agent once per logon for minimal (no gnome/kde) installation

2010-06-28 Thread Steve Franks
#export SSH_ASKPASS=/usr/local/bin/x11-ssh-askpass ;export SSH_ASKPASS
export SSH_ASKPASS=/usr/local/bin/gnome-keyring ;export SSH_ASKPASS
eval $( ssh-agent -s )
ssh-add 
xfce4-session
eval $( ssh-agent -k )
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Page fault in swapper on boot

2010-06-28 Thread Richard Kolkovich
I rebooted today to recover a couple devices which were in use by zombie 
processes.  Now, I'm met
with the same page fault documented in this previous message:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2010-June/217625.html

I also performed the gettext upgrade between my last reboot and this one, but I 
had no problems
completing it.  I have since booted the MFS live CD, mounted my zpools and 
updated world and kernel
(RELENG_8 as of this morning) - still have the same page fault in the same 
place.  I also tried
GENERIC - no dice there, either.  Single user, no-ACPI, etc. don't work.

I'll build some debugging into the kernel and see what else I can find...

Has anyone else seen this or have any clues as to how to fix it?  

Thanks,

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Re: FreeBSD 8.0 p#3

2010-06-28 Thread Grant Peel
- Original Message - 
From: Balázs Mátéffy repcs...@gmail.com

To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: FreeBSD 8.0 p#3



Hi,

Maybe portsnap fetch extract ?

Maybe the tag in your supfile was wrong for the ports.

MB.
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I used the method described above and it got them all back.

Thanks for all the feedback everyone!

-Grant 



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Re: Page fault in swapper on boot

2010-06-28 Thread Richard Kolkovich
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 02:16:42PM -0500, Richard Kolkovich wrote:
 I rebooted today to recover a couple devices which were in use by zombie 
 processes.  Now, I'm met
 with the same page fault documented in this previous message:
 
 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2010-June/217625.html
 
 I also performed the gettext upgrade between my last reboot and this one, but 
 I had no problems
 completing it.  I have since booted the MFS live CD, mounted my zpools and 
 updated world and kernel
 (RELENG_8 as of this morning) - still have the same page fault in the same 
 place.  I also tried
 GENERIC - no dice there, either.  Single user, no-ACPI, etc. don't work.
 
 I'll build some debugging into the kernel and see what else I can find...

I should have done this before spamming the list, but at least I can provide a 
solution.

With debugging enabled, I saw the problem child is the VirtualBox network 
module (vboxnetflt.ko).  I
set both enable_vboxdrv and enable_vboxnetflt to NO in loader.conf, and I was 
able to boot just
fine.

Sorry for the noise - hope this helps someone else out.

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Re: Page fault in swapper on boot

2010-06-28 Thread Michael Powell
Richard Kolkovich wrote:

 On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 02:16:42PM -0500, Richard Kolkovich wrote:
 I rebooted today to recover a couple devices which were in use by zombie
 processes.  Now, I'm met with the same page fault documented in this
 previous message:
 
 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2010-
June/217625.html
 
 I also performed the gettext upgrade between my last reboot and this one,
 but I had no problems
 completing it.  I have since booted the MFS live CD, mounted my zpools
 and updated world and kernel
 (RELENG_8 as of this morning) - still have the same page fault in the
 same place.  I also tried
 GENERIC - no dice there, either.  Single user, no-ACPI, etc. don't work.
 
 I'll build some debugging into the kernel and see what else I can find...
 
 I should have done this before spamming the list, but at least I can
 provide a solution.
 
 With debugging enabled, I saw the problem child is the VirtualBox network
 module (vboxnetflt.ko).  I set both enable_vboxdrv and enable_vboxnetflt
 to NO in loader.conf, and I was able to boot just fine.
 
 Sorry for the noise - hope this helps someone else out.
 

The recent gettext update is a dependency for both the vbox kernel modules 
and the virtualbox-ose ports. Try rebuilding/reinstalling both with make  
make deinstall  make reinstall if you still wish to use them.

-Mike
 

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Boot to ZFS on FreeBSD 7.3

2010-06-28 Thread Dan D Niles

The release notes for FreeBSD 7.3 said that it could boot to zfs.  I did
not see any options for doing that via the normal install.  I followed
the instructions here:

http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot

When I reboot, I get:

can't load 'kernel'

I wiped the disk and tried again to verify I didn't miss a step.  Same
result.  

I saw a suggestion that zfs.cache needed to be copied.  I did that
during the setup, but I tried doing it again from Fixit.  Same result.
The other suggestion I saw was to do section 2 step 7 again.  That
shouldn't be necessary for 7.3, but I tried it anyway.  Still seeing
can't load 'kernel'.

Any suggestions for getting FreeBSD 7.3 to boot to ZFS?

Thanks,

Dan


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sendmail: My unqualified host name

2010-06-28 Thread Michael

Hello.

My console is being flooded with this kind of messages:

Jun 28 15:49:02 prime sendmail[57268]: My unqualified host name 
(localhost) unknown; sleeping for retry
Jun 28 15:49:06 prime sendmail[21451]: unable to qualify my own domain 
name (localhost) -- using short name
Jun 28 15:50:02 prime sendmail[85031]: My unqualified host name 
(localhost) unknown; sleeping for retry
Jun 28 15:50:06 prime sendmail[57268]: unable to qualify my own domain 
name (localhost) -- using short name


Is there any way to find out who/what is trying to use sendmail?

M.
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Question RE: Linux Mode

2010-06-28 Thread Richards, Toby
I have to say that I really feel the FreeBSD development model and Ports system 
to be superior to Linux. I want to use it; however, Adobe Flash is important to 
me. I understand that I can run Linux Flash with FreeBSD's Linux Mode. My 
question is this: If I turn on Linux mode, don't I sacrifice the security, 
performance, and other benefits of the FreeBSD kernel vice Linux?
 
-BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-
Version: 3.1
GIT/TW/O d+(---)pu s: a C++()
UBLS*$ P--(---) L++$ !E-() !W++$ !N !o K-? w--$ !O M+ !V
PS+ PE+ !Y PGP t+ 5 X- R tv b+ DI D G e+$ h r+++ y? 
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Re: Question RE: Linux Mode

2010-06-28 Thread Polytropon
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:57:33 -0700, Richards, Toby 
toby.richa...@slo.courts.ca.gov wrote:
 My question is this: If I turn on Linux mode, don't I sacrifice the
 security, performance, and other benefits of the FreeBSD kernel vice
 Linux?

No. FreeBSD's Linux mode is nothing more or less than an ABI - an
alternative binary interface. Linux programs communicate through
this interface instead of FreeBSD's default one.

Of course, there *are* security implications, as on Linux. Security
limits are given by the FreeBSD infrastructure (e. g. Flash based
malware trying to access system files - no; defective Flash
implementation causing a memory leak - possible).

I don't use Flash anymore so I can't be more specific. Last time
I tried it worked nearly flawlessly with Firefox.

A personal note: Sometimes, I found that Linux programs ran faster
on FreeBSD Linux ABI than on native Linux, but as I'm not a regular
Linux user, my opinion isn't worth more than 2 cent. :-)


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Re: sendmail: My unqualified host name

2010-06-28 Thread Polytropon
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 21:51:46 +0100, Michael mlmichae...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello.
 
 My console is being flooded with this kind of messages:
 
 Jun 28 15:49:02 prime sendmail[57268]: My unqualified host name 
 (localhost) unknown; sleeping for retry
 Jun 28 15:49:06 prime sendmail[21451]: unable to qualify my own domain 
 name (localhost) -- using short name
 Jun 28 15:50:02 prime sendmail[85031]: My unqualified host name 
 (localhost) unknown; sleeping for retry
 Jun 28 15:50:06 prime sendmail[57268]: unable to qualify my own domain 
 name (localhost) -- using short name
 
 Is there any way to find out who/what is trying to use sendmail?

It seems that it's your *sendmail* that is complaining. Check your
settings regarding hostname (hostname= in /etc/rc.conf, corresponding
entry in /etc/hosts), also check sendmail configuration in /etc/mail.


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Re: sendmail: My unqualified host name

2010-06-28 Thread Michael

On 28/06/2010 22:43, Polytropon wrote:

On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 21:51:46 +0100, Michaelmlmichae...@gmail.com  wrote:


My console is being flooded with this kind of messages:

Jun 28 15:49:02 prime sendmail[57268]: My unqualified host name
(localhost) unknown; sleeping for retry
Jun 28 15:49:06 prime sendmail[21451]: unable to qualify my own domain
name (localhost) -- using short name


It seems that it's your *sendmail* that is complaining. Check your
settings regarding hostname (hostname= in /etc/rc.conf, corresponding
entry in /etc/hosts), also check sendmail configuration in /etc/mail.



Yes but I don't quite understand why. It's my laptop system and I don't 
really need or want sendmail there. I guess it must be some script 
trying to send email instead of logging to a file.
But how can I find out exactly what is trying to use sendmail (which 
fails and complaints)?


My configuration (8.0-RELEASE-p3):
/etc/rc.conf
   hostname=prime
   sendmail_enable=NONE
/etc/hosts
   ::1 localhost prime
   127.0.0.1   localhost prime
/etc/nsswitch.conf
   hosts: files dns
/etc/periodic.conf
   daily_output=/var/log/dper.log
   daily_clean_hoststat_enable=NO
   daily_backup_aliases_enable=NO
   daily_status_mailq_enable=NO
   daily_status_include_submit_mailq=NO
   daily_status_mail_rejects_enable=NO
   daily_queuerun_enable=NO
   daily_submit_queuerun=NO
   daily_status_security_output=/var/log/dsec.log
   weekly_output=/var/log/wper.log
   monthly_output=/var/log/mper.log

It was all fine and quiet for months and started just recently. The only 
change in the system I can think of is that I replaced pf with ipfw. 
Still don't understand what is so urgent that sendmail keeps trying 
every minute.


M.
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Re: sendmail: My unqualified host name

2010-06-28 Thread Polytropon
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 23:12:38 +0100, Michael mlmichae...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yes but I don't quite understand why. It's my laptop system and I don't 
 really need or want sendmail there.

You may want to reconsider this statement. :-)



 I guess it must be some script 
 trying to send email instead of logging to a file.

The sendmail facility is used by the system to deliver status messages
(e. g. by the daily/monthly/weekly periodic scripts, sometimes by the
printing subsystem), so it depends on an at least locally working
installation. There may be other services that rely on sendmail to
provide output directed to a system's mail box (usually root).

Check /etc/defaults/rc.conf for the sendmail_* family of options.



 But how can I find out exactly what is trying to use sendmail (which 
 fails and complaints)?

I think it's sendmail itself that complains on startup (running as
local-only delivery system).



 My configuration (8.0-RELEASE-p3):
 /etc/rc.conf
 hostname=prime
 sendmail_enable=NONE
 /etc/hosts
 ::1 localhost prime
 127.0.0.1   localhost prime

Try to additionally define a domainname .local or .lan, e. g.

127.0.0.1   localhost
127.0.0.1   prime.local prime

See man 5 hosts for details, I think it explains it very well (it's
right in the 1st paragraph).

Also give the full name in /etc/rc.conf: hostname=prime.local.

Then make sure to have visited /etc/mail doing make all install. This
will make sure sendmail picks up all neccessary configuration items.



 It was all fine and quiet for months and started just recently.

So THAT is really strange.



 The only 
 change in the system I can think of is that I replaced pf with ipfw. 

I doubt that has anything to do with it.



 Still don't understand what is so urgent that sendmail keeps trying 
 every minute.

It fails to start properly because of a missing configuration item.



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Re: sendmail: My unqualified host name

2010-06-28 Thread Jon Radel

On 6/28/10 6:21 PM, Polytropon wrote:

But how can I find out exactly what is trying to use sendmail (which
fails and complaints)?
 

I think it's sendmail itself that complains on startup (running as
local-only delivery system).

   

That's certainly what it looks like.



The only
change in the system I can think of is that I replaced pf with ipfw.
 

I doubt that has anything to do with it.


   
Unless the change blocked access to DNS and reverse DNS was being used 
to look up the system name.



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Re: Boot to ZFS on FreeBSD 7.3

2010-06-28 Thread Glen Barber

On 6/28/10 5:13 PM, Dan D Niles wrote:


The release notes for FreeBSD 7.3 said that it could boot to zfs.  I did
not see any options for doing that via the normal install.  I followed
the instructions here:

http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot

When I reboot, I get:

can't load 'kernel'

I wiped the disk and tried again to verify I didn't miss a step.  Same
result.

I saw a suggestion that zfs.cache needed to be copied.  I did that
during the setup, but I tried doing it again from Fixit.  Same result.


You don't need this step for 7.3.


The other suggestion I saw was to do section 2 step 7 again.  That
shouldn't be necessary for 7.3, but I tried it anyway.  Still seeing
can't load 'kernel'.

Any suggestions for getting FreeBSD 7.3 to boot to ZFS?



Can you try the following at the loader prompt, where you see the 
FreeBSD boot options?


   load zfs
   load opensolaris # should not be necessary, but just to be safe
   boot

Regards,

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Re: Boot to ZFS on FreeBSD 7.3

2010-06-28 Thread Glen Barber

On 6/28/10 7:27 PM, Glen Barber wrote:

On 6/28/10 5:13 PM, Dan D Niles wrote:


The release notes for FreeBSD 7.3 said that it could boot to zfs. I did
not see any options for doing that via the normal install. I followed
the instructions here:

http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot

When I reboot, I get:

can't load 'kernel'

I wiped the disk and tried again to verify I didn't miss a step. Same
result.

I saw a suggestion that zfs.cache needed to be copied. I did that
during the setup, but I tried doing it again from Fixit. Same result.


You don't need this step for 7.3.


The other suggestion I saw was to do section 2 step 7 again. That
shouldn't be necessary for 7.3, but I tried it anyway. Still seeing
can't load 'kernel'.


I quoted the wrong sentence - you don't need _this_ step.



Any suggestions for getting FreeBSD 7.3 to boot to ZFS?



Can you try the following at the loader prompt, where you see the
FreeBSD boot options?

load zfs
load opensolaris # should not be necessary, but just to be safe
boot

Regards,




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How to get the SPD infomation in freebsd ?

2010-06-28 Thread zaxis

In windows, the `CPU-Z` utility can be used to get the SPD(Serial Presence
Detect) information. How about freebsd ? I want to get those information
especially frequency to add more memory. And i donot want to touch the
hardware.

Sincerely! 

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RE: Question RE: Linux Mode

2010-06-28 Thread Richards, Toby
So as far as I can tell, turning Linux Mode on exposes another threat vector. 
Can I turn on Linux Mode ONLY for a single binary (the Flash plugin)?

-Original Message-
From: Polytropon [mailto:free...@edvax.de]
Sent: Mon 28-Jun-10 2:41 PM
To: Richards, Toby
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Question RE: Linux Mode
 
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:57:33 -0700, Richards, Toby 
toby.richa...@slo.courts.ca.gov wrote:
 My question is this: If I turn on Linux mode, don't I sacrifice the
 security, performance, and other benefits of the FreeBSD kernel vice
 Linux?

No. FreeBSD's Linux mode is nothing more or less than an ABI - an
alternative binary interface. Linux programs communicate through
this interface instead of FreeBSD's default one.

Of course, there *are* security implications, as on Linux. Security
limits are given by the FreeBSD infrastructure (e. g. Flash based
malware trying to access system files - no; defective Flash
implementation causing a memory leak - possible).

I don't use Flash anymore so I can't be more specific. Last time
I tried it worked nearly flawlessly with Firefox.

A personal note: Sometimes, I found that Linux programs ran faster
on FreeBSD Linux ABI than on native Linux, but as I'm not a regular
Linux user, my opinion isn't worth more than 2 cent. :-)


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RE: sshd / tcp packet corruption ? ZFS Samba?

2010-06-28 Thread Martin Minkus
Okay guys,

 

Just thought i’d post that a resolution has been found.

 

People suggested it could be hardware and try memtest – which never
found anything.

 

It seems though that in the end the issue is the motherboard; Possibly
the southbridge or something to do with the PCI bus.

 

The SATA drives which are hanging of a marvel in a pcie slot was
unaffected. No amount of zfs scrubs and rsync with checksumming found
anything wrong.

 

It was only network traffic on the intel pro (pci card) or onboard
nvidia nfe card that had issues. It was worst when using samba of ZFS,
though god knows why that exposed the issue more.

 

I never had any kernel panics, just silent data corruption on the PCI
bus.

 

Moved hdds and cards to a different motherboard, and everything is 100%
fine.

 

So a couple weeks looking at this on and off (and slowly losing my mind)
and it was nothing more than flaky hardware.

 

Thanks for your help to those who took the time to reply.

 

Martin.

 

From: Martin Minkus 
Sent: Monday, 28 June 2010 09:22
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: RE: sshd / tcp packet corruption ? ZFS  Samba?

 

Hey all,

 

It was suggested I do a memtest, but that checked out fine. (I wish it
was as simple as just the ram!)

 

I’ve realised the issue manifests itself almost immediately when
accessing an underlying ZFS filesystem using Samba. But if it is UFS, it
is fine.

 

Does this mean anything to anyone?

 

Ie: md5’ing the same file over SMB, one on UFS (/tmp) one on ZFS:

 

cd5d0011c28fb335d57a83b3751831e7
*//kinetic/pulse/shares/cti/bin/Desktop.exe

2447bdb56c5fa8efa761ffa100908022 *//kinetic/temp/Desktop.exe

bb433ae7e4c3c70c49b3c8c1590e8aa5
*//kinetic/pulse/shares/cti/bin/Desktop.exe

2447bdb56c5fa8efa761ffa100908022 *//kinetic/temp/Desktop.exe

8eeaf672f6742ae4f900b16ec3cb190a
*//kinetic/pulse/shares/cti/bin/Desktop.exe

2447bdb56c5fa8efa761ffa100908022 *//kinetic/temp/Desktop.exe

bc327dc715516b5ba2e8478036112bd2
*//kinetic/pulse/shares/cti/bin/Desktop.exe

2447bdb56c5fa8efa761ffa100908022 *//kinetic/temp/Desktop.exe

0cde0cf7ec036cedc8f3294153209b4c
*//kinetic/pulse/shares/cti/bin/Desktop.exe

2447bdb56c5fa8efa761ffa100908022 *//kinetic/temp/Desktop.exe

71e705470a4af5533eb019e00df3a946
*//kinetic/pulse/shares/cti/bin/Desktop.exe

2447bdb56c5fa8efa761ffa100908022 *//kinetic/temp/Desktop.exe

ba7041e4cad852d00c8da1a461e3b5f9
*//kinetic/pulse/shares/cti/bin/Desktop.exe

2447bdb56c5fa8efa761ffa100908022 *//kinetic/temp/Desktop.exe

7ce9ea8b9a4d8858899da23472a24c76
*//kinetic/pulse/shares/cti/bin/Desktop.exe

2447bdb56c5fa8efa761ffa100908022 *//kinetic/temp/Desktop.exe

8f0eff7cb6069ff39aa46e2affc27a4b
*//kinetic/pulse/shares/cti/bin/Desktop.exe

2447bdb56c5fa8efa761ffa100908022 *//kinetic/temp/Desktop.exe

c23fceb0302fd59b49e22bce61eabe8d
*//kinetic/pulse/shares/cti/bin/Desktop.exe

2447bdb56c5fa8efa761ffa100908022 *//kinetic/temp/Desktop.exe

46c9d538c99be3947b92f9ec47bb900a
*//kinetic/pulse/shares/cti/bin/Desktop.exe

2447bdb56c5fa8efa761ffa100908022 *//kinetic/temp/Desktop.exe

2a2a94c94a167a8e525e368aceb07875
*//kinetic/pulse/shares/cti/bin/Desktop.exe

2447bdb56c5fa8efa761ffa100908022 *//kinetic/temp/Desktop.exe

d303861d09b0584f6c6621e9881e3f63
*//kinetic/pulse/shares/cti/bin/Desktop.exe

2447bdb56c5fa8efa761ffa100908022 *//kinetic/temp/Desktop.exe

ad8f8cef1829de206460b947687909f0
*//kinetic/pulse/shares/cti/bin/Desktop.exe

2447bdb56c5fa8efa761ffa100908022 *//kinetic/temp/Desktop.exe

9a866d9602a9df92b6acb6f1182b05ab
*//kinetic/pulse/shares/cti/bin/Desktop.exe

2447bdb56c5fa8efa761ffa100908022 *//kinetic/temp/Desktop.exe

5552491a9e295890ad48064440d8d05b
*//kinetic/pulse/shares/cti/bin/Desktop.exe

2447bdb56c5fa8efa761ffa100908022 *//kinetic/temp/Desktop.exe

ceee04c26b03132db48d67c076526c82
*//kinetic/pulse/shares/cti/bin/Desktop.exe

2447bdb56c5fa8efa761ffa100908022 *//kinetic/temp/Desktop.exe

7aa666918d73e40a25ccdb1c104f8476
*//kinetic/pulse/shares/cti/bin/Desktop.exe

2447bdb56c5fa8efa761ffa100908022 *//kinetic/temp/Desktop.exe

561aa772884c0b7ef139f556355adffb
*//kinetic/pulse/shares/cti/bin/Desktop.exe

2447bdb56c5fa8efa761ffa100908022 *//kinetic/temp/Desktop.exe

30540ecb4bfb8533969f4a4137a77e79
*//kinetic/pulse/shares/cti/bin/Desktop.exe

2447bdb56c5fa8efa761ffa100908022 *//kinetic/temp/Desktop.exe

c0f315f00be76a4e15dec68de2bba49b
*//kinetic/pulse/shares/cti/bin/Desktop.exe

2447bdb56c5fa8efa761ffa100908022 *//kinetic/temp/Desktop.exe

9de4864a97ed4ad9c495c221fe1b932f
*//kinetic/pulse/shares/cti/bin/Desktop.exe

2447bdb56c5fa8efa761ffa100908022 *//kinetic/temp/Desktop.exe

47c8ad183dbe0d4637229af08cc2cd89
*//kinetic/pulse/shares/cti/bin/Desktop.exe

2447bdb56c5fa8efa761ffa100908022 *//kinetic/temp/Desktop.exe

c9bfe8c7073940acbcdb31430eb4a061
*//kinetic/pulse/shares/cti/bin/Desktop.exe

2447bdb56c5fa8efa761ffa100908022 *//kinetic/temp/Desktop.exe

327605a6ddb89f7a3e2bd056c5f28b2a
*//kinetic/pulse/shares/cti/bin/Desktop.exe

2447bdb56c5fa8efa761ffa100908022 

Re: How to get the SPD infomation in freebsd ?

2010-06-28 Thread Matthew Seaman
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On 29/06/2010 03:29:04, zaxis wrote:
 
 In windows, the `CPU-Z` utility can be used to get the SPD(Serial Presence
 Detect) information. How about freebsd ? I want to get those information
 especially frequency to add more memory. And i donot want to touch the
 hardware.

Try dmidecode(8) -- it's in ports.  This will tell you quite a bit of
information about what type of RAM you have installed, but it may be
more productive to look up the Motherboard model numbers it returns, and
find compatible RAM that way.

Even so, for best results it helps if you install a uniform set of RAM
modules, and I don't think there's any option other than popping the
case and pulling a RAM stick for a visual inspection if you want a 100%
certain match.

Cheers,

Matthew

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