Re: BSD logo
Disclaimer: I do not represent the FreeBSD project in any way, shape, or form. I am certain any such people would be much nicer and more polite about this than me. I'm sure I would be much nicer and more polite about it if I became a representative of the FreeBSD project at some point in the future. Because I am not officially affiliated with the project at all, though, I feel free to be brutally honest. On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 06:01:07AM +0400, Victor Skovorodnikov wrote: This may sound strange but I have a question about logo. Why such a logo for BSD? What is the meaning of that logo? It's a reference to daemons, a type of software that runs in the background listening for connections. The term daemon has ancient roots in Greek mythology and has nothing to do with more recent Christian notions of demons. In short, mythological daemons are basically just supernatural beings of lower power and stature than the pantheon of Greek gods, and computer daemons are helpful programs. I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get deterred by its un-Christian logo. Good grief. Are you referring to the cartoon character? It's a cartoon character. It's not an attempt to lure your children to join Satan's armies. There's no reason to be deterred from giving FreeBSD a try just because of a friendly cartoon character. People who value their wool socks should not be deterred from using MS products because of the stupid moth mascot used by MSN, and those who dislike arctic climates shouldn't be deterred from using Linux-based systems because Linux uses a penguin as its mascot. By the same token, the notion that a red cartoon character with horns should deter a Christian from using FreeBSD is kind of silly. I was a member of a military unit known as the Red Devils years ago. I did not feel like I was being corrupted by Evil. Perhaps you would be deterred from being my friend because of this, nonetheless. If that is the case, though, I think I'm better off without you. While I normally prefer to take an inclusive approach to dealing with people who run into obstacles in their approach to thinking about OSes, there are cases where I simply feel the urge to throw my hands in the air and giving up on someone. Such cases are those where it seems likely that some kind of closed-minded idolatry (which is exactly what this is: taking a cartoony mascot as some kind of Manifest Presence of a supernatural, superhuman Force, Principle, or Being) is going on. Either you will get over it, or you will not, and it is only a very faint hope that pointing out the ludicrousness of your objection that compels me to respond at all. If you're talking about the weird sex toy thing that has become the new(er) official FreeBSD logo, however, it seems the FreeBSD project simply can't please some people. I'm pretty sure that was made so ambiguous and largely meaningless specifically because of fear of negative reactions from those who cannot imagine going through life without being offended -- and it still isn't working, if that's the reason for your complaint. It may be un-Christian, but if so it's un-Christian like a penguin or a moth is un-Christian, and not like a burning cross would be (and I'd call that anti-Christian instead, anyway). Have you considered changing it to something else? Doesn't have to be an angel, but perhaps something neutral ;-) ? I hope the logo doesn't change because of silly requests from those who cannot have religious beliefs without also being reasonable human beings. This whole thing reminds me of a conversation I had in the early '90s where someone told me that a Nine Inch Nails song called God's Money was blasphemous. Of course, there is no Nine Inch Nails song by that name, and the song the person was talking about (Head Like A Hole) doesn't have the words God's money in it at all. The guy had misheard something and leaped to an erroneous conclusion without bothering to consider the possibility he was just a reactionary idiot. Someone's sure to call me intolerant or abrasive as a result of this email, but frankly, I don't care. Guilty as charged: I am not tolerant of intolerant, willfully ignorant fundamentalists, regardless of what fundamentalism infects them. It's not like you couldn't look up the answer to your question about the meaning of the cartoon mascot character on the Internet fairly easily anyway, assuaging your fears of eternal damnation by choosing the wrong OS. The desire to be outraged appears to be stronger than the desire to educate oneself. When this is the way someone starts a discussion about wanting to use a new OS, I tend to believe there is no genuine interest in using the OS in question. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpXqWrDBTxyz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: BSD logo
On Jul 23, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: It's a cartoon character. It's not an attempt to lure your children to join Satan's armies. There's no reason to be deterred from giving FreeBSD a try just because of a friendly cartoon character. I'm reminded of when some Christian groups called for a boycott of Apple because they had an OS project code-named Darwin. Some people will just go out of their way to look for reasons to take offense. I'm reminded that the SATAN network scanner project used to ship a utility with the source code that would patch it to rename it SANTA. I suppose someone could fork a new BSD distribution with an angel for a logo, to mollify these sorts of people. Call it BlessedBSD (BleSseD?) or something. ;) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
David Brodbeck said the following on 2010-07-24 09:05: Call it BlessedBSD (BleSseD?) or something. ;) BBsd? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
Victor Skovorodnikov said the following on 2010-07-24 04:01: Hi! This may sound strange but I have a question about logo. Why such a logo for BSD? What is the meaning of that logo? I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get deterred by its un-Christian logo. Grow up your silly sod! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On 24/07/2010 08:38:24, Bernt Hansson wrote: Victor Skovorodnikov said the following on 2010-07-24 04:01: Hi! This may sound strange but I have a question about logo. Why such a logo for BSD? What is the meaning of that logo? I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get deterred by its un-Christian logo. Grow up your silly sod! No, no. I'm afraid the game is up, chaps. Such perspicacious observation! Such penetrating insight! How could we have dreamed that anyone would uncover our daemonic plot to make the world a better place through superior software by simply examining our logo? My friends, I fear that there is going to be a lot of holy water sprinkled in data centres over the coming months. There will be much weeping and wailing and a darkness shall spread over the face of the net; lightnings and thunders and unwholesome smokes shall assault those holy warriors attempting to drive out the daemonically possessed (Hint: turn off the power *before* applying the Holy Water.) Cheers, Matthew Disclaimer: Prophecy not valid where Enlightenment values have largely replaced the Medieval superstition, nor in those countries with a predominantly non-Abrahamic religious heritage. Terms and conditions may apply. The value of your investments may go down as well as up. -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: BSD logo
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 09:21:48AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 24/07/2010 08:38:24, Bernt Hansson wrote: Victor Skovorodnikov said the following on 2010-07-24 04:01: Hi! This may sound strange but I have a question about logo. Why such a logo for BSD? What is the meaning of that logo? I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get deterred by its un-Christian logo. Grow up your silly sod! No, no. I'm afraid the game is up, chaps. Such perspicacious observation! Such penetrating insight! How could we have dreamed that anyone would uncover our daemonic plot to make the world a better place through superior software by simply examining our logo? My friends, I fear that there is going to be a lot of holy water sprinkled in data centres over the coming months. There will be much weeping and wailing and a darkness shall spread over the face of the net; lightnings and thunders and unwholesome smokes shall assault those holy warriors attempting to drive out the daemonically possessed (Hint: turn off the power *before* applying the Holy Water.) You stick to your holy water, I'll stick to defenestrating virgins, sacrificing goats and chanting the Lord's prayer backwards whilst dancing naked in a pentagram. I find it's the only way to get FreeBSD to workok, I admit it, I just like doing it. Cheers, Matthew Disclaimer: Prophecy not valid where Enlightenment values have largely replaced the Medieval superstition, nor in those countries with a predominantly non-Abrahamic religious heritage. Terms and conditions may apply. The value of your investments may go down as well as up. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On 24 July 2010 11:21, Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 09:21:48AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 24/07/2010 08:38:24, Bernt Hansson wrote: Victor Skovorodnikov said the following on 2010-07-24 04:01: Hi! This may sound strange but I have a question about logo. Why such a logo for BSD? What is the meaning of that logo? I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get deterred by its un-Christian logo. Grow up your silly sod! No, no. I'm afraid the game is up, chaps. Such perspicacious observation! Such penetrating insight! How could we have dreamed that anyone would uncover our daemonic plot to make the world a better place through superior software by simply examining our logo? My friends, I fear that there is going to be a lot of holy water sprinkled in data centres over the coming months. There will be much weeping and wailing and a darkness shall spread over the face of the net; lightnings and thunders and unwholesome smokes shall assault those holy warriors attempting to drive out the daemonically possessed (Hint: turn off the power *before* applying the Holy Water.) You stick to your holy water, I'll stick to defenestrating virgins, sacrificing goats and chanting the Lord's prayer backwards whilst dancing naked in a pentagram. I find it's the only way to get FreeBSD to workok, I admit it, I just like doing it. Cheers, Matthew Disclaimer: Prophecy not valid where Enlightenment values have largely replaced the Medieval superstition, nor in those countries with a predominantly non-Abrahamic religious heritage. Terms and conditions may apply. The value of your investments may go down as well as up. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I think its important to point out that was are dealing with a faith and religion issue here. Therefore all logical reasoning goes out of the window, and trying to argue with a possible troll becomes futile, and does you a disservice. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get deterred by its un-Christian logo. It's amazing how exercised people get over a topic like this, like in that old story: http://www.milk.com/true-stories/unix_for_the_masses.html I think it's a pretty dumb logo myself, but a group of people that offer you free software, and even some help using it -- that doesn't seem benign to you? Why don't you talk to some of the other Christians involved in the project, like those that maintain bible study software in FreeBSD Ports? ... The term daemon has ancient roots in Greek mythology and has nothing to do with more recent Christian notions of demons. Well, nothing to do with is overstating the case a bit. There are some connections, even beyond the etymological, and not all Greeks thought alike about them. But we take your point. ... I was a member of a military unit known as the Red Devils years ago. I did not feel like I was being corrupted by Evil. Some people would find this a lot more problematic than wearing a daemon t-shirt. ;) Out of curiosity, Is that the one that got its ass kicked at Pearl Harbor and Wake Island, or the one that got its ass kicked at Arnhem? Or just a hardcore bunch of Man U. fans? ... You stick to your holy water, I'll stick to defenestrating virgins, That seems like a waste of a perfectly good virgin. sacrificing goats and chanting the Lord's prayer backwards whilst dancing naked in a pentagram. I find it's the only way to get FreeBSD to work I knew I was missing something. b. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 00:05:14 -0700, David Brodbeck g...@gull.us wrote: I'm reminded of when some Christian groups called for a boycott of Apple because they had an OS project code-named Darwin. Some people will just go out of their way to look for reasons to take offense. I'm reminded to a specific Computer Stupidity, and please forgive me that I quote it here: Tech Support: All right...now double-click on the File Manager icon. Customer: That's why I hate this Windows -- because of the icons -- I'm a Protestant, and I don't believe in icons. Tech Support: Well, that's just an industry term sir. I don't believe it was meant to -- Customer: I don't care about any 'Industry Terms'. I don't believe in icons. Tech Support: Well...why don't you click on the 'little picture' of a file cabinet...is 'little picture' ok? Customer: [click] http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/cs_icons.shtml Sorry. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
8.1 is available
Since the release team never makes a announcement on this list when a new RELEASE is published. I will let you all know that RELEASE 8.1 has been published and is available for download. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 64-bit Windows XP NDIS drivers giving missing symbols
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Gautham Ganapathy gauth...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I have an Alienware m11x with a Dell 1520 wireless minicard (Broadcom BCM4353 chipset). It comes with only Windows 7 drivers, but I was able to download Windows XP drivers seperately. However, after I generate the kernel module (I am using the 64-bit WinXP driver and freebsd amd64), I get errors when I try to load it. It says that the following symbols are missing ZwQueryInformationFile ZwCreateFile ZwReadFile IoUnregisterPlugPlayNotification ExFreePoolWithTag According to MSDN, these were introduced in Windows 2000. Is there any way of getting this driver running ? Such symbols are completly irrelevant for normal operation, because NDISulator crash on amd64 during driver initialization. I fixed this in my own git repo, but fpudna in kernel mode (my understanding is that it is source of panic when trying to use ndis0 device on amd64), present only on amd64 is still not yet fixed - this should be addressed with fpu_kern KPI available on CURRENT - not done yet... Feel free to send patches. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 64-bit Windows XP NDIS drivers giving missing symbols
On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 12:01:24 + Paul B Mahol one...@gmail.com articulated: Such symbols are completly irrelevant for normal operation, because NDISulator crash on amd64 during driver initialization. I fixed this in my own git repo, but fpudna in kernel mode (my understanding is that it is source of panic when trying to use ndis0 device on amd64), present only on amd64 is still not yet fixed - this should be addressed with fpu_kern KPI available on CURRENT - not done yet... Feel free to send patches. I feel his pain. I need 64 bit drivers for cards that FBSD does not support, mostly 'N' protocol wireless cards. The inability to secure and use perfectly good drivers that are available for Windows users in FreeBSD is a real PIA. Of course, it does give my Window user friends something to laugh about. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ Do something unusual today. Pay a bill. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
28amen.org : trying to portinstall ffmpeg
Hello... I'm trying to sudo portinstall ffmpeg but I've run into problems with mpfr Stop in /ports/math/mpfr. ** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/binscript -qa /tmp/portinstall20100724-99593-ob933z-0 env make The freebsd server software at viaverio is old FreeBSD 28amen.org 6.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE #6: Wed Oct 21 09:32:42 MDT 2009 r...@fc:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/VKERN i386 I really need to have ffmpeg available. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks. -- This message may have been intercepted and read by U.S. government agencies including the FBI, CIA, and NSA and/or the present government of Thailand without notice or warrant or knowledge of sender or recipient. John Francis Lee 246/3 Thanon Kaew Wai Mueang Chiangrai 57000 Thailand ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
2010/7/23 Victor Skovorodnikov vic...@mail.ru: Hi! This may sound strange but I have a question about logo. Why such a logo for BSD? What is the meaning of that logo? Strange in deed, it sounds. At first I really thought it was funny, but after consulting the infinite wisdom of my wife (actually I read it to her making fun of it), she immediately said well if the logo was a priest I am sure it would make _you_ uncomfortable as well Which, of course, immediately wiped off the smile from my face, and suddenly the issue at hand was not so funny. I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get deterred by its un-Christian logo. I am not a religious man myself, but if the logo had any religious meaning to me I am sure I could better understand Victor's issues. Seems silly, but if it was the other way around I'm sure _many_ people here would probably concur in the discomfort of using an OS who's logo was some sort of religion symbol, say a Christian Cross, Egyptian Ankh, David Star, Muslim Moon, or a Satanic Encircled Five Point Star. Have you considered changing it to something else? Doesn't have to be an angel, but perhaps something neutral ;-) ? My conclusion and advice to yo Victor is: FBSD's logo a cute cartoon character that can indeed be thought of representing a Daemon and I am sure that there was no bad (satanic) intention in the usage of the little red devil. It's just a funny little character, but again it would make me really uncomfortable if it was a religious symbol of any kind, even if was a cartoon. Many would probably argue that a devil is in fact a religious symbol, so honestly I am left with doubt on the issue. Again, I am not religious except for the fact I am religious against _fanatical_ religion and/or any extremism of _any_ sort. In the end, I personally ___love___ the logo and I would ___never___ like to see it changed!!! Best, Alejandro Imass Thanks, Victor. Я в Моем Мире - http://my.mail.ru/mail/vic_sk/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 8.1 is available
Aiza wrote: Since the release team never makes a announcement on this list when a new RELEASE is published. I will let you all know that RELEASE 8.1 has been published and is available for download. Has it been announced anywhere? Downloads have been available for some days. Generally advice from those who know is not to assume it's available until the announcement because changes could still be made. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 8.1 is available
On 24/07/2010 16:05, Chris Whitehouse wrote: Aiza wrote: Since the release team never makes a announcement on this list when a new RELEASE is published. I will let you all know that RELEASE 8.1 has been published and is available for download. Has it been announced anywhere? Downloads have been available for some days. Generally advice from those who know is not to assume it's available until the announcement because changes could still be made. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org It was anounced 16 hours ago on freebsd-annou...@freebsd.org http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2010-July/001338.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 8.1 is available
Ansar Mohammed wrote: I think it's been announced on the front page of freebsd.org http://freebsd.org. You think I should wait for somthing more formal? You're right it's on the website but didn't come through in my RSS feed for some reason (which I set up to watch for the announcement :p). Chris On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Chris Whitehouse cwhi...@onetel.com mailto:cwhi...@onetel.com wrote: Aiza wrote: Since the release team never makes a announcement on this list when a new RELEASE is published. I will let you all know that RELEASE 8.1 has been published and is available for download. Has it been announced anywhere? Downloads have been available for some days. Generally advice from those who know is not to assume it's available until the announcement because changes could still be made. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org mailto:freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 8.1 is available
I think it's been announced on the front page of freebsd.org. You think I should wait for somthing more formal? On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Chris Whitehouse cwhi...@onetel.comwrote: Aiza wrote: Since the release team never makes a announcement on this list when a new RELEASE is published. I will let you all know that RELEASE 8.1 has been published and is available for download. Has it been announced anywhere? Downloads have been available for some days. Generally advice from those who know is not to assume it's available until the announcement because changes could still be made. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tv-card for freebsd
In article aanlktil5_9vmp3zal-4knwx-lblrpwz6dcxq4cora...@mail.gmail.com you write: On 7/14/10, Bernt Hansson be...@bah.homeip.net wrote: Hello list! I'm in the process of buying a tv-card for dvb-t transmissions. Any tips on cards that have a driver for freebsd? Thank you. For a built-in tuner card itself, no recommendations. For an alternative solution, look at silicondust.com for the HDHomeRun boxes. I've had one for a long time and it is a beautiful device. Simply stated, a dual (or more) digital tuner to ethernet bridge. [...] Another option may be an usb tuner with webcamd on FreeBSD 8.1; webcamd is a pretty cool hack by the author of FreeBSD 8's new usb stack that essentially runs Linux usb v4l/dvb/atsc drivers on FreeBSD in userspace and is now in ports: http://www.freshports.org/multimedia/webcamd I've put together some (hopefully) useful info here: http://people.freebsd.org/~nox/dvb/ and there I'm also maintaining experimental ports for vdr which most Linux users I know prefer over mythtv which is already committed to ports. But `simpler' apps like mplayer, kaffeine, vlc, etc can of course also be used if you build the respective ports with the V4L knobs enabled in their `make config'. (and DVBPSI too in case of vlc.) HTH, Juergen ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Automake installed
Just had a quick look in my installed ports and found out that I have multiple versions of automake installed: automake-1.10.1: ok automake-1.4.6_5: ok automake-1.5_5,1: ok automake-1.9.6_3: ok automake-wrapper-20071109: ok Is this common or should I get rid of all automake-1.9.x versions? How could I do such best? thanks Jos Chrispijn ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
Victor, On 24-7-2010 4:01, Victor Skovorodnikov wrote: Have you considered changing it to something else? Doesn't have to be an angel, but perhaps something neutral ;-) ? Seeing something in it that isn't there at all or perhaps wanting to see something that isn't there at all in fact is true religion. For me FreeBSD is true religion: bringing people together and speak about it is so much better that seeing things in a logo that isn't there at all... best regrets, jos chrispijn ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 8.1 is available
On Jul 24, 2010, at 1:38 PM, Aiza wrote: Since the release team never makes a announcement on this list when a new RELEASE is published. I will let you all know that RELEASE 8.1 has been published and is available for download. Then there must be a reason that the announce@ mailinglist exists., now I wonder what is periodically send there, to not overload the many other mailinglists? :-) Ofcourse thanks for bringing it to the attention, but do realise that announce is the way to go for these kind of things.. Cheers Remko -- /\ Best regards,| re...@freebsd.org \ / Remko Lodder | re...@efnet Xhttp://www.evilcoder.org/| / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign| Against HTML Mail and News ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
Victor, On 24-7-2010 4:01, Victor Skovorodnikov wrote: Have you considered changing it to something else? Doesn't have to be an angel, but perhaps something neutral ;-) ? Seeing something in it that isn't there at all or perhaps wanting to see something that isn't there at all in fact is true religion. For me FreeBSD is true religion: bringing people together and speak about it is so much better that seeing things in a logo that isn't there at all... best regrets, jos chrispijn ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Port upgrade problem
Petre Bandac pe...@kgb.ro writes: While upgrading port, I have the following problems: - some cfg files are overwritten (authdaemon's authmysqlrc) I can't figure out what port that comes from, so I can't help. - some make install options are not kept (maildrop - not compiled against mysql and courier imap - fam is compiled, even though initially was ruled out) Those aren't set up as OPTIONS, so they won't get stored in /var/db/ports. The upgrade sequence is: # portsnap fetch update # portmanager -u Am I doing something wrong? See alternative configuration in the portmanager manual. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: popt-1.50 or better??
Gary Kline kl...@thought.org writes: hey y'all, there is a program called libots [or ots] that acts to summarize text that i'd like to port to freebsd. i grabbed the src from scourceforge days ago and found that i need a later version of popt than we have. we've got v 1.14 of popt and the configure script from libots says that 1.5 is required. i've stumbled around but haven't figured out where to grab the newer version. 1.14 is the latest version. 1.5 is considerably older. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Automake installed
On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:19:56 +0200 Jos Chrispijn ker...@webrz.net wrote: Just had a quick look in my installed ports and found out that I have multiple versions of automake installed: ... Is this common yes, it's normal ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Cannot from Opera
Hello My system: FreeBSD 8.1 AMD64, KDE 4.4.5, cups-base-1.4.3 I can print from Firefox, OpenOffice and all KDE applications over cups but not from Opera: - opera-10.10.20091120_2 - opera-linuxplugins-10.10.20091120_2 I also checked http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/481/ but with no luck (and tried a view other things). If I print from the file menu nothing occurs. Any ideas? -- Martin Schweizer off...@pc-service.ch PC-Service M. Schweizer GmbH; Bannholzstrasse 6; CH-8608 Bubikon Tel. +41 55 243 30 00; Fax: +41 55 243 33 22 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Automake installed
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Jos Chrispijn ker...@webrz.net wrote: Is this common or should I get rid of all automake-1.9.x versions? How could I do such best? There are numerous tools for doing this; e.g., pkg_cutleaves and pkg_rmleaves. This is common because not all ports build with a given automake version, so the wrapper takes care of selecting the appropiate version. I would say that it's a waste of time to uninstall these since they take next to no space, and reinstalling them everytime you build something seems like a bigger waste in the long run. Andres ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: why do I require WPA in rc.conf even for open networks.
On 22 July 2010 22:03, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote: For some reason I can not connect to *any* wireless network regardless of the connection type unless I have WPA in /etc/rc.conf right before DHCP. Why would I require this to connect to open networks? -- Eitan Adler ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I use WPA and have no urge to run tests for someone else on this right now, but are you sure something like ifconfig_wlan0=ssid ForteanJungle wepmode mixed wepkey 8675309 DHCP doesn't work at all these days? -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
Quoth Chad Perrin on Saturday, 24 July 2010: Disclaimer: I do not represent the FreeBSD project in any way, shape, or form. I am certain any such people would be much nicer and more polite about this than me. I'm sure I would be much nicer and more polite about it if I became a representative of the FreeBSD project at some point in the future. Because I am not officially affiliated with the project at all, though, I feel free to be brutally honest. On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 06:01:07AM +0400, Victor Skovorodnikov wrote: This may sound strange but I have a question about logo. Why such a logo for BSD? What is the meaning of that logo? It's a reference to daemons, a type of software that runs in the background listening for connections. The term daemon has ancient roots in Greek mythology and has nothing to do with more recent Christian notions of demons. In short, mythological daemons are basically just supernatural beings of lower power and stature than the pantheon of Greek gods, and computer daemons are helpful programs. I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get deterred by its un-Christian logo. Good grief. Are you referring to the cartoon character? It's a cartoon character. It's not an attempt to lure your children to join Satan's armies. There's no reason to be deterred from giving FreeBSD a try just because of a friendly cartoon character. People who value their wool socks should not be deterred from using MS products because of the stupid moth mascot used by MSN, and those who dislike arctic climates shouldn't be deterred from using Linux-based systems because Linux uses a penguin as its mascot. By the same token, the notion that a red cartoon character with horns should deter a Christian from using FreeBSD is kind of silly. I was a member of a military unit known as the Red Devils years ago. I did not feel like I was being corrupted by Evil. Perhaps you would be deterred from being my friend because of this, nonetheless. If that is the case, though, I think I'm better off without you. While I normally prefer to take an inclusive approach to dealing with people who run into obstacles in their approach to thinking about OSes, there are cases where I simply feel the urge to throw my hands in the air and giving up on someone. Such cases are those where it seems likely that some kind of closed-minded idolatry (which is exactly what this is: taking a cartoony mascot as some kind of Manifest Presence of a supernatural, superhuman Force, Principle, or Being) is going on. Either you will get over it, or you will not, and it is only a very faint hope that pointing out the ludicrousness of your objection that compels me to respond at all. If you're talking about the weird sex toy thing that has become the new(er) official FreeBSD logo, however, it seems the FreeBSD project simply can't please some people. I'm pretty sure that was made so ambiguous and largely meaningless specifically because of fear of negative reactions from those who cannot imagine going through life without being offended -- and it still isn't working, if that's the reason for your complaint. It may be un-Christian, but if so it's un-Christian like a penguin or a moth is un-Christian, and not like a burning cross would be (and I'd call that anti-Christian instead, anyway). Have you considered changing it to something else? Doesn't have to be an angel, but perhaps something neutral ;-) ? I hope the logo doesn't change because of silly requests from those who cannot have religious beliefs without also being reasonable human beings. This whole thing reminds me of a conversation I had in the early '90s where someone told me that a Nine Inch Nails song called God's Money was blasphemous. Of course, there is no Nine Inch Nails song by that name, and the song the person was talking about (Head Like A Hole) doesn't have the words God's money in it at all. The guy had misheard something and leaped to an erroneous conclusion without bothering to consider the possibility he was just a reactionary idiot. Someone's sure to call me intolerant or abrasive as a result of this email, but frankly, I don't care. Guilty as charged: I am not tolerant of intolerant, willfully ignorant fundamentalists, regardless of what fundamentalism infects them. It's not like you couldn't look up the answer to your question about the meaning of the cartoon mascot character on the Internet fairly easily anyway, assuaging your fears of eternal damnation by choosing the wrong OS. The desire to be outraged appears to be stronger than the desire to educate oneself. When this is the way someone starts a discussion about wanting to use a new OS, I tend to believe there is no genuine interest in using the OS in question. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]
Re: Automake installed
On 24 July 2010 12:19, Jos Chrispijn ker...@webrz.net wrote: Just had a quick look in my installed ports and found out that I have multiple versions of automake installed: automake-1.10.1: ok automake-1.4.6_5: ok automake-1.5_5,1: ok automake-1.9.6_3: ok automake-wrapper-20071109: ok Is this common or should I get rid of all automake-1.9.x versions? How could I do such best? Would not worry about it. On about any machine faster than a pII they take very little time to build, so it wouldn't matter the other way either. -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
Quoth David Brodbeck on Saturday, 24 July 2010: On Jul 23, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: It's a cartoon character. It's not an attempt to lure your children to join Satan's armies. There's no reason to be deterred from giving FreeBSD a try just because of a friendly cartoon character. I'm reminded of when some Christian groups called for a boycott of Apple because they had an OS project code-named Darwin. Some people will just go out of their way to look for reasons to take offense. I'm reminded that the SATAN network scanner project used to ship a utility with the source code that would patch it to rename it SANTA. I suppose someone could fork a new BSD distribution with an angel for a logo, to mollify these sorts of people. Call it BlessedBSD (BleSseD?) or something. ;) That would probably make a lot of Christian BSD users happy. Personally, I like the devilish association, however indirect it may be. FreeBSD is somewhat counter-cultural and anti-authoritarian, after all. The whole notion of the Christian heaven seems remarkably close to Microsoft's vision of software: everyone will exist together in this eternal utopian sameness, and they'll like it. Give me my daemons, my lake of fire, and some people who aren't too good to know what they want and don't want-- we'll have a party. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgpcGxAcud6gG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: BSD logo
2010/7/24 Alejandro Imass a...@p2ee.org: FBSD's logo a cute cartoon character that can indeed be thought of representing a Daemon and I am sure that there was no bad (satanic) intention in the usage of the little red devil. It's just a funny little character, but again it would make me really uncomfortable if it was a religious symbol of any kind, even if was a cartoon. Many would probably argue that a devil is in fact a religious symbol, so honestly I am left with doubt on the issue. Again, I am not religious except for the fact I am religious against _fanatical_ religion and/or any extremism of _any_ sort. In the end, I personally ___love___ the logo and I would ___never___ like to see it changed!!! Interesting, because judging from the latest logo overhaul it seems that the team is moving away from their former image at a fast pace, whether it be because of the cartoony appearance or religious undertones. Andres ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
Quoth Frank Shute on Saturday, 24 July 2010: On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 09:21:48AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 24/07/2010 08:38:24, Bernt Hansson wrote: Victor Skovorodnikov said the following on 2010-07-24 04:01: Hi! This may sound strange but I have a question about logo. Why such a logo for BSD? What is the meaning of that logo? I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get deterred by its un-Christian logo. Grow up your silly sod! No, no. I'm afraid the game is up, chaps. Such perspicacious observation! Such penetrating insight! How could we have dreamed that anyone would uncover our daemonic plot to make the world a better place through superior software by simply examining our logo? My friends, I fear that there is going to be a lot of holy water sprinkled in data centres over the coming months. There will be much weeping and wailing and a darkness shall spread over the face of the net; lightnings and thunders and unwholesome smokes shall assault those holy warriors attempting to drive out the daemonically possessed (Hint: turn off the power *before* applying the Holy Water.) You stick to your holy water, I'll stick to defenestrating virgins, sacrificing goats and chanting the Lord's prayer backwards whilst dancing naked in a pentagram. s/enestrat/lower/ -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgpIigHixIa9d.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: 64-bit Windows XP NDIS drivers giving missing symbols
On 7/24/10, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 12:01:24 + Paul B Mahol one...@gmail.com articulated: Such symbols are completly irrelevant for normal operation, because NDISulator crash on amd64 during driver initialization. I fixed this in my own git repo, but fpudna in kernel mode (my understanding is that it is source of panic when trying to use ndis0 device on amd64), present only on amd64 is still not yet fixed - this should be addressed with fpu_kern KPI available on CURRENT - not done yet... Feel free to send patches. I feel his pain. I need 64 bit drivers for cards that FBSD does not support, mostly 'N' protocol wireless cards. The inability to secure and use perfectly good drivers that are available for Windows users in FreeBSD is a real PIA. Of course, it does give my Window user friends something to laugh about. And bwn(4) doesn't work at all? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 06:01:07AM +0400, Victor Skovorodnikov wrote: Hi! This may sound strange but I have a question about logo. Why such a logo for BSD? What is the meaning of that logo? Do you really mean the logo kind of a round ball with points? Or do you mean the mascott - the little guy with sneakers and a trident? Probably the latter. It has little to do with religion. It has to do with the UNIX concept of helper programs what hang around in the OS and take care of tasks. Some of these are sshd that answers remote ssh requests or lpd that handles printer requests. There are lots of them. UNIX most basic concept really is that each utility or program has a specific task and does it when needed and then goes on to wait for the next one. In general, the OS is mostly made up of a bunch of these utilities just waiting to go to work, plus a kind of management program that is the kernel. In ancient lore there was a bunch friendly characters who hung around out of sight and waited for a being - human being mostly - to need help. One of those creatures would slip in and somewhat mysteriously do little things to help - not necessarily fix the whole problem, but place something in the human's way that can help them solve the problem. These merry creatures were called daemons - pronounced day-mohn. I guess they are sort of like friendly sprites of elves. As with any myth, the myth of daemons points to some truth beyond the mere physical aspect of the stories and images. In this case, somehow in life, ideas and successes come that we cannot completely explain by what we knew before. This is playfully represented by helpful daemons taking care of things behind the scene. Some people amused themselves by coming up with images that graphically represented the UNIX concept of an OS. Kirk McKusick, one of the early and continuing,BSD developers, came up with a sketch of a little creature that lightly dashed around (thus the sneakers) and used its special tools (represented by the trident) to make the good things of the OS happen - with almost all of the work being done behind the scenes. I don't know how the pointy tail got added. Maybe it just filled out the caricature. I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get deterred by its un-Christian logo. Again, it is not religious. People who get weighed down by that thought are usually not well informed about either ancient history or early Christian imagery. Actually I have used the FreeBSD mascot image in church, where I am very active. The uses have been mostly in stuff from the office that had the Powered by FreeBSD tag. No one even noticed. Have you considered changing it to something else? Doesn't have to be an angel, but perhaps something neutral ;-) ? This has come up on this list a hundred times. Far better to educate those who are poorly informed than to roll over to prejudice and misinformation. jerry Thanks, Victor. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 8.1 is available
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 07:38:51PM +0800, Aiza wrote: Since the release team never makes a announcement on this list when a new RELEASE is published. I will let you all know that RELEASE 8.1 has been published and is available for download. Funny, I received an official announcement fromthe RELEASE team. Maybe you are just not properly subscribed to the FreeBSD-Announce list. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 64-bit Windows XP NDIS drivers giving missing symbols
On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:45:24 + Paul B Mahol one...@gmail.com articulated: On 7/24/10, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 12:01:24 + Paul B Mahol one...@gmail.com articulated: Such symbols are completly irrelevant for normal operation, because NDISulator crash on amd64 during driver initialization. I fixed this in my own git repo, but fpudna in kernel mode (my understanding is that it is source of panic when trying to use ndis0 device on amd64), present only on amd64 is still not yet fixed - this should be addressed with fpu_kern KPI available on CURRENT - not done yet... Feel free to send patches. I feel his pain. I need 64 bit drivers for cards that FBSD does not support, mostly 'N' protocol wireless cards. The inability to secure and use perfectly good drivers that are available for Windows users in FreeBSD is a real PIA. Of course, it does give my Window user friends something to laugh about. And bwn(4) doesn't work at all? quote bwn -- Broadcom BCM43xx IEEE 802.11b/g wireless network driver /quote You will notice that there is no 'n' in the description. In any case, it is limited to 'broadcom' chips. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
TexLive on FreeBSD 8.1
Dear folks, Sorry to ask about this since this has been beaten to death many times, but I *wonder* why FreeBSD does not have TeXLive as default tex installation? I look at a Linux project that is very similar to FreeBSD, Slackware and they at least explain why it is not included as default and include tetex 3.0 which is no longer developed. One can build a tetex package for slackware easily through slackbuilds.org. No problem there. On FreeBSD, there are several attempts to address this issue: http://tug.org/pipermail/tex-live/2009-November/023783.html http://code.google.com/p/freebsd-texlive/ I have tried Romain's repository, followed the instructions on FreeBSD 8.0 AMD 64, but did not get anywhere, the default tetex(installed by ports) was the only one that worked. I did not try the other binaries on second link provided. Is there a foolproof/idiotproof way of installing TeXLive, even from source, that does not require one to have tetex? I see NetBSD or OpenBSD has TeXLive as a port in their ports, why hasn't FreeBSD followed them? I can see why others[Linux/BSD distributors] have licensing issues, but FreeBSD is not like that at least from what I know. I broke my 8.0 installation, and want to install 8.1 but want to see how it would be easier to install texlive or just be happy with tetex and move on till FreeBSD developers include texlive by default? Don't want to add insult to injury or offend anyone, I just want to see how installing texlive on FreeBSD can be made easier? Regards, Antonio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: TexLive on FreeBSD 8.1
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 07:51:55PM +, Antonio Olivares wrote:
Dear folks,
Sorry to ask about this since this has been beaten to death many
times, but I *wonder* why FreeBSD does not have TeXLive as default tex
installation?
TeXLive has a _huge_ list of options, and its own configuration/install
script. I guess that makes it hard to port.
Is there a foolproof/idiotproof way of installing TeXLive, even from
source, that does not require one to have tetex?
I've documented my install (including building the binaries from source) at
http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/unix/misc.xhtml#updatingtexlivetoversion2009
I've been using TeXLive on FreeBSD for years without problems.
There are some ports (e.g. auctex for emacs) that require TeX. For those
ports, I patch their Makefiles to use TeXLive. Below is the patch for
auctex's port Makefile;
- auctex port patch -
--- Makefile.orig 2009-07-31 15:55:10.0 +0200
+++ Makefile2009-12-21 16:06:05.0 +0100
@@ -16,8 +16,8 @@
MAINTAINER=h...@freebsd.org
COMMENT= Integrated environment for writing LaTeX using GNU Emacs
-BUILD_DEPENDS= ${MKTEXLSR}:${PORTSDIR}/print/teTeX-base
-RUN_DEPENDS= ${MKTEXLSR}:${PORTSDIR}/print/teTeX-base
+#BUILD_DEPENDS=${MKTEXLSR}:${PORTSDIR}/print/teTeX-base
+#RUN_DEPENDS= ${MKTEXLSR}:${PORTSDIR}/print/teTeX-base
USE_GHOSTSCRIPT=yes
GNU_CONFIGURE= yes
@@ -38,8 +38,8 @@
MKTEXLSR=${MKTEXLSR}
INFO= auctex preview-latex
-TEXMFDIR= share/texmf
-MKTEXLSR= ${LOCALBASE}/bin/mktexlsr
+TEXMFDIR= texlive/2009/texmf
+MKTEXLSR= ${LOCALBASE}/texlive/2009/bin/amd64-freebsd/mktexlsr
NOT_FOR_ARCHS= ia64
- auctex port patch -
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Re: TexLive on FreeBSD 8.1
Thank you Roland, I will download 8.1 Release and attempt it. Thanks
your for your advice and for the howto :)
Regards,
Antonio
On 7/24/10, Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 07:51:55PM +, Antonio Olivares wrote:
Dear folks,
Sorry to ask about this since this has been beaten to death many
times, but I *wonder* why FreeBSD does not have TeXLive as default tex
installation?
TeXLive has a _huge_ list of options, and its own configuration/install
script. I guess that makes it hard to port.
Is there a foolproof/idiotproof way of installing TeXLive, even from
source, that does not require one to have tetex?
I've documented my install (including building the binaries from source) at
http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/unix/misc.xhtml#updatingtexlivetoversion2009
I've been using TeXLive on FreeBSD for years without problems.
There are some ports (e.g. auctex for emacs) that require TeX. For those
ports, I patch their Makefiles to use TeXLive. Below is the patch for
auctex's port Makefile;
- auctex port patch -
--- Makefile.orig 2009-07-31 15:55:10.0 +0200
+++ Makefile 2009-12-21 16:06:05.0 +0100
@@ -16,8 +16,8 @@
MAINTAINER= h...@freebsd.org
COMMENT= Integrated environment for writing LaTeX using GNU Emacs
-BUILD_DEPENDS= ${MKTEXLSR}:${PORTSDIR}/print/teTeX-base
-RUN_DEPENDS= ${MKTEXLSR}:${PORTSDIR}/print/teTeX-base
+#BUILD_DEPENDS= ${MKTEXLSR}:${PORTSDIR}/print/teTeX-base
+#RUN_DEPENDS=${MKTEXLSR}:${PORTSDIR}/print/teTeX-base
USE_GHOSTSCRIPT=yes
GNU_CONFIGURE= yes
@@ -38,8 +38,8 @@
MKTEXLSR=${MKTEXLSR}
INFO=auctex preview-latex
-TEXMFDIR=share/texmf
-MKTEXLSR=${LOCALBASE}/bin/mktexlsr
+TEXMFDIR=texlive/2009/texmf
+MKTEXLSR=${LOCALBASE}/texlive/2009/bin/amd64-freebsd/mktexlsr
NOT_FOR_ARCHS= ia64
- auctex port patch -
Roland
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Re: popt-1.50 or better??
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 12:21:12PM -0400, Lowell Gilbert wrote: Gary Kline kl...@thought.org writes: hey y'all, there is a program called libots [or ots] that acts to summarize text that i'd like to port to freebsd. i grabbed the src from scourceforge days ago and found that i need a later version of popt than we have. we've got v 1.14 of popt and the configure script from libots says that 1.5 is required. i've stumbled around but haven't figured out where to grab the newer version. 1.14 is the latest version. 1.5 is considerably older. how can 1.50 be older than 1.14? -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.83a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org 99 44/100% Guaranteed Novel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 09:21:48AM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 24/07/2010 08:38:24, Bernt Hansson wrote: Victor Skovorodnikov said the following on 2010-07-24 04:01: Hi! This may sound strange but I have a question about logo. Why such a logo for BSD? What is the meaning of that logo? I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get deterred by its un-Christian logo. Grow up your silly sod! No, no. I'm afraid the game is up, chaps. Such perspicacious observation! Such penetrating insight! How could we have dreamed that anyone would uncover our daemonic plot to make the world a better place through superior software by simply examining our logo? My friends, I fear that there is going to be a lot of holy water sprinkled in data centres over the coming months. There will be much weeping and wailing and a darkness shall spread over the face of the net; lightnings and thunders and unwholesome smokes shall assault those holy warriors attempting to drive out the daemonically possessed (Hint: turn off the power *before* applying the Holy Water.) [[ ... ]] Suggest that Victor not do much more 'thinking'; his head may explode ... . gary -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.83a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org 99 44/100% Guaranteed Novel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 01:45:47PM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 00:05:14 -0700, David Brodbeck g...@gull.us wrote:
I'm reminded of when some Christian groups called for a boycott of
Apple because they had an OS project code-named Darwin. Some people
will just go out of their way to look for reasons to take offense.
I guess ao! I mean, who has anything against Ralph Darwin?
He was the absolute nicest fellow ever born ... {Foxy wife, too.]
I'm reminded to a specific Computer Stupidity, and please
forgive me that I quote it here:
Tech Support: All right...now double-click on the
File Manager icon.
Customer: That's why I hate this Windows -- because of
the icons -- I'm a Protestant, and I don't
believe in icons.
Tech Support: Well, that's just an industry term sir.
I don't believe it was meant to --
Customer: I don't care about any 'Industry Terms'.
I don't believe in icons.
Tech Support: Well...why don't you click on the
'little picture' of a file cabinet...is
'little picture' ok?
Customer: [click]
http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/cs_icons.shtml
Sorry. :-)
I would sigh, but i'm all sighed out right now
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Re: BSD logo
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:46:34AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth David Brodbeck on Saturday, 24 July 2010: On Jul 23, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: It's a cartoon character. It's not an attempt to lure your children to join Satan's armies. There's no reason to be deterred from giving FreeBSD a try just because of a friendly cartoon character. I'm reminded of when some Christian groups called for a boycott of Apple because they had an OS project code-named Darwin. Some people will just go out of their way to look for reasons to take offense. I'm reminded that the SATAN network scanner project used to ship a utility with the source code that would patch it to rename it SANTA. I suppose someone could fork a new BSD distribution with an angel for a logo, to mollify these sorts of people. Call it BlessedBSD (BleSseD?) or something. ;) That would probably make a lot of Christian BSD users happy. Personally, I like the devilish association, however indirect it may be. FreeBSD is somewhat counter-cultural and anti-authoritarian, after all. The whole notion of the Christian heaven seems remarkably close to Microsoft's vision of software: everyone will exist together in this eternal utopian sameness, and they'll like it. Give me my daemons, my lake of fire, and some people who aren't too good to know what they want and don't want-- we'll have a party. I'll bring the Leinenkugels Limited. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.83a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org 99 44/100% Guaranteed Novel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: popt-1.50 or better??
On 24/07/2010 21:29:43, Gary Kline wrote: On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 12:21:12PM -0400, Lowell Gilbert wrote: Gary Kline kl...@thought.org writes: hey y'all, there is a program called libots [or ots] that acts to summarize text that i'd like to port to freebsd. i grabbed the src from scourceforge days ago and found that i need a later version of popt than we have. we've got v 1.14 of popt and the configure script from libots says that 1.5 is required. i've stumbled around but haven't figured out where to grab the newer version. 1.14 is the latest version. 1.5 is considerably older. how can 1.50 be older than 1.14? Ummm... you seem to be in some sort of timewarp there Gary... The home of the popt project appears to be http://freshmeat.net/projects/popt/, and there the most recent version available is 1.14. Now, 1.50 would by rights be newer than 1.14, but trouble is, 1.50 doesn't exist yet. Also, you said 1.50 in the Subject of your e-mail, and 1.5 in the body: one of those is probably a typo, and I'm not offering odds on which. How old is the ots software you're trying to port? If it's from before there was popt = 1.10 available, then it might be something as simple as a failure to read all the digits in the popt version number, or comparing the numbers alphabetically rather than numerically. Shouldn't be too hard to debug. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: BSD logo
On Jul 24, 2010, at 7:33 AM, Alejandro Imass wrote: I am not a religious man myself, but if the logo had any religious meaning to me I am sure I could better understand Victor's issues. Seems silly, but if it was the other way around I'm sure _many_ people here would probably concur in the discomfort of using an OS who's logo was some sort of religion symbol, say a Christian Cross, Egyptian Ankh, David Star, Muslim Moon, or a Satanic Encircled Five Point Star. Well, to me it's about intent. I doubt the FreeBSD logo was picked with the intent of sticking a thumb in the eye of anyone religious. I also think it's pretty clear it wasn't picked by someone who identified with Satanism. On the other hand, if someone uses a Jesus Fish or a cross as a logo, they're usually trying to make a political point. *That* would make me uncomfortable -- not the symbol itself, but the sentiment I knew was behind it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: BSD logo
snip To all who replied to this, I just have to say I have not laugh so hard in ages. Regards Graeme ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: TexLive on FreeBSD 8.1
On 07/24/10 22:29, Antonio Olivares wrote: Thank you Roland, I will download 8.1 Release and attempt it. Thanks your for your advice and for the howto :) Regards, Antonio Take a look at ports-mgmt/portshaker-config :) Portshaker is basically a tool which allows you to merge multiple ports-trees into one. With portshaker-config you can enable the texlive part of the portstree. Allthough it mentions it is still experimental I have been using this setup for quite some time now and did not encounter any problems, allthough portupgrade had some problems updating everything correctly from texlive2008 to 2009. Regards, -- - Frank ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 02:59:25PM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: In ancient lore there was a bunch friendly characters who hung around out of sight and waited for a being - human being mostly - to need help. One of those creatures would slip in and somewhat mysteriously do little things to help - not necessarily fix the whole problem, but place something in the human's way that can help them solve the problem. These merry creatures were called daemons - pronounced day-mohn. I guess they are sort of like friendly sprites of elves. Actually, daemon is a Latinization of the Greek daimon. Daimon is pronounced something more like die-mahn, but (being from the Latin) daemon is prounounced dee-mohn. Unix tradition holds that daemon is pronounced similarly to the Latin fashion (in practice, roughly like dee-muhn by English speakers). This has come up on this list a hundred times. Far better to educate those who are poorly informed than to roll over to prejudice and misinformation. I agree. Good work. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpK81aEuGk6D.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: BSD logo
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 12:05:14AM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: I'm reminded that the SATAN network scanner project used to ship a utility with the source code that would patch it to rename it SANTA. I suppose someone could fork a new BSD distribution with an angel for a logo, to mollify these sorts of people. Call it BlessedBSD (BleSseD?) or something. ;) By the way . . . while I think a BelssedBSD fork is a ridiculous idea, the name BlessedBSD is *brilliant*. Pronouncing it aloud makes the high-quality pun buried in the name more obvious, for those who didn't quite catch it on the first read-through. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpBk60IpxRA3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: popt-1.50 or better??
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:06:12PM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 24/07/2010 21:29:43, Gary Kline wrote: On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 12:21:12PM -0400, Lowell Gilbert wrote: Gary Kline kl...@thought.org writes: hey y'all, there is a program called libots [or ots] that acts to summarize text that i'd like to port to freebsd. i grabbed the src from scourceforge days ago and found that i need a later version of popt than we have. we've got v 1.14 of popt and the configure script from libots says that 1.5 is required. i've stumbled around but haven't figured out where to grab the newer version. 1.14 is the latest version. 1.5 is considerably older. how can 1.50 be older than 1.14? Ummm... you seem to be in some sort of timewarp there Gary... The home of the popt project appears to be http://freshmeat.net/projects/popt/, and there the most recent version available is 1.14. Now, 1.50 would by rights be newer than 1.14, but trouble is, 1.50 doesn't exist yet. Also, you said 1.50 in the Subject of your e-mail, and 1.5 in the body: one of those is probably a typo, and I'm not offering odds on which. How old is the ots software you're trying to port? If it's from before there was popt = 1.10 available, then it might be something as simple as a failure to read all the digits in the popt version number, or comparing the numbers alphabetically rather than numerically. Shouldn't be too hard to debug. Cheers, Matthew hdere are the last few lines of output from configure, ots-0.5.0: checking for pkg-config... /usr/X11R6/bin/pkg-config checking for glib-2.0 = 2.0 libxml-2.0 = 2.4.23... yes checking OTS_CFLAGS... -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include checking OTS_LIBS... -L/usr/local/lib -lglib-2.0 -lxml2 checking for poptParseArgvString in -lpopt... no configure: error: popt 1.5 or newer is required to build ots. You can download the latest version from ftp://ftp.rpm.org/pub/rpm/dist/rpm-4.1.x/ p2 15:33 tao [5784] what am i missing? gary -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.83a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org 99 44/100% Guaranteed Novel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 64-bit Windows XP NDIS drivers giving missing symbols
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:45:24 + Paul B Mahol one...@gmail.com articulated: On 7/24/10, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 12:01:24 + Paul B Mahol one...@gmail.com articulated: Such symbols are completly irrelevant for normal operation, because NDISulator crash on amd64 during driver initialization. I fixed this in my own git repo, but fpudna in kernel mode (my understanding is that it is source of panic when trying to use ndis0 device on amd64), present only on amd64 is still not yet fixed - this should be addressed with fpu_kern KPI available on CURRENT - not done yet... Feel free to send patches. I feel his pain. I need 64 bit drivers for cards that FBSD does not support, mostly 'N' protocol wireless cards. The inability to secure and use perfectly good drivers that are available for Windows users in FreeBSD is a real PIA. Of course, it does give my Window user friends something to laugh about. And bwn(4) doesn't work at all? quote bwn -- Broadcom BCM43xx IEEE 802.11b/g wireless network driver /quote You will notice that there is no 'n' in the description. In any case, it is limited to 'broadcom' chips. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Nope, bwn did not work. The man page mentioned a port that also had to be installed. It had two modules, which I put in loader.conf one at a time along with if_bwn.ko, but still no luck. The card I have has a Broadcom 4353 chipset. I think it is b/g/n. Regards Gautham ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: popt-1.50 or better??
here are the last few lines of output from configure, ots-0.5.0: checking for pkg-config... /usr/X11R6/bin/pkg-config checking for glib-2.0 = 2.0 libxml-2.0 = 2.4.23... yes checking OTS_CFLAGS... -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include checking OTS_LIBS... -L/usr/local/lib -lglib-2.0 -lxml2 checking for poptParseArgvString in -lpopt... no configure: error: popt 1.5 or newer is required to build ots. You can download the latest version from ftp://ftp.rpm.org/pub/rpm/dist/rpm-4.1.x/ poptParseArgvString is in the $PREFIX/lib/libpopt.so.0 library from our devel/popt port. The latest available version of this software is 1.16, in the Red Hat repos. Look at the configure script to determine why it can't find the symbol. Maybe you need to reinstall devel/popt, or patch the configure script. b. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 8.1 is available
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 07:38:51PM +0800, Aiza wrote: Since the release team never makes a announcement on this list when a new RELEASE is published. I will let you all know that RELEASE 8.1 has been published and is available for download. And if you were wondering why the release iso images were uploaded to the main project server four days prior to the announcement, the official reason given was to allow all of the mirrors time to synchronize with the main server before the announcement, to avoid lots of inquiries about why the release isn't available. b. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 8.1 is available
b. f. wrote: On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 07:38:51PM +0800, Aiza wrote: Since the release team never makes a announcement on this list when a new RELEASE is published. I will let you all know that RELEASE 8.1 has been published and is available for download. And if you were wondering why the release iso images were uploaded to the main project server four days prior to the announcement, the official reason given was to allow all of the mirrors time to synchronize with the main server before the announcement, to avoid lots of inquiries about why the release isn't available. What I am wondering is why the release iso have been renamed. The path and file name was to long before and now with 8.1 some fool added the word Freebsd to it. What on earth for? How many times does the word freebsd have to be in the path/name? Wish somebody would supervise the worker bees so they don't go changing thing on their own. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 8.1 is available
On 7/24/10, Fbsd8 fb...@a1poweruser.com wrote: b. f. wrote: On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 07:38:51PM +0800, Aiza wrote: What I am wondering is why the release iso have been renamed. The path and file name was to long before and now with 8.1 some fool added the word Freebsd to it. What on earth for? How many times does the word freebsd have to be in the path/name? Wish somebody would supervise the worker bees so they don't go changing thing on their own. That was because a lot of people with a different opinion about this complained, so that re@ was persuaded to make the change: Revision 200775 - (view) (annotate) - [select for diffs] Modified Mon Dec 21 14:42:35 2009 UTC (7 months ago) by kensmith File length: 45736 byte(s) Diff to previous 197313 Add FreeBSD- to the beginning of the filenames for the ISO images. People who collect ISOs from more than just us have been requesting this for a while. MFC after: 1 week It seems reasonable to me, even if it does require a few (possibly annoying) one-time-only adjustments for some people. b. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: TexLive on FreeBSD 8.1
On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 19:51:55 + Antonio Olivares olivares14...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry to ask about this since this has been beaten to death many times, but I *wonder* why FreeBSD does not have TeXLive as default tex installation? As TeXLive 2009 doesn't have binaries for FreeBSD ;) You can try TeXLive 2008 instead. [snip] Don't want to add insult to injury or offend anyone, I just want to see how installing texlive on FreeBSD can be made easier? I build TeXLive from source code. It isn't easy but it works. Regards, -- Anh Ky Huynh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
searching INDEX in .sh
I'm looking for a snippet of .sh type shell code that searches the /usr/ports/INDEX-8 file for dependents. Just a pointer to a script in the ports system that has this would be helpful. Thanks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: popt-1.50 or better??
Gary Kline kl...@thought.org writes: On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:06:12PM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 24/07/2010 21:29:43, Gary Kline wrote: On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 12:21:12PM -0400, Lowell Gilbert wrote: Gary Kline kl...@thought.org writes: hey y'all, there is a program called libots [or ots] that acts to summarize text that i'd like to port to freebsd. i grabbed the src from scourceforge days ago and found that i need a later version of popt than we have. we've got v 1.14 of popt and the configure script from libots says that 1.5 is required. i've stumbled around but haven't figured out where to grab the newer version. 1.14 is the latest version. 1.5 is considerably older. how can 1.50 be older than 1.14? It can't. But you just modified 1.5 into 1.50, which (given that they aren't floating-point numbers) is an important difference. Remember: there can be more than one '.' in a version string. Ummm... you seem to be in some sort of timewarp there Gary... The home of the popt project appears to be http://freshmeat.net/projects/popt/, and there the most recent version available is 1.14. Now, 1.50 would by rights be newer than 1.14, but trouble is, 1.50 doesn't exist yet. Also, you said 1.50 in the Subject of your e-mail, and 1.5 in the body: one of those is probably a typo, and I'm not offering odds on which. How old is the ots software you're trying to port? If it's from before there was popt = 1.10 available, then it might be something as simple as a failure to read all the digits in the popt version number, or comparing the numbers alphabetically rather than numerically. Shouldn't be too hard to debug. Cheers, Matthew hdere are the last few lines of output from configure, ots-0.5.0: checking for pkg-config... /usr/X11R6/bin/pkg-config checking for glib-2.0 = 2.0 libxml-2.0 = 2.4.23... yes checking OTS_CFLAGS... -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include checking OTS_LIBS... -L/usr/local/lib -lglib-2.0 -lxml2 checking for poptParseArgvString in -lpopt... no configure: error: popt 1.5 or newer is required to build ots. You can download the latest version from ftp://ftp.rpm.org/pub/rpm/dist/rpm-4.1.x/ p2 15:33 tao [5784] what am i missing? Version strings aren't decimal numbers. Most projects use each field as a separate integer. 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 1.7 1.8 1.9 1.10 1.11 1.12 1.13 1.14 1.15 . . . 1.49 1.50 1.51 . . . So: 14 is bigger than 5. the version of popt in ports is the latest. Really. Trust Josh Paetzel; he's on top of things. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
What's the meaning of this warn?
HI,ALL: My freebsd server offer service to thousands of clients. I found lots of warning in the /var/log/message like this :Approaching the limit on PV entries, consider increasing either the vm.pmap.shpgperproc or the vm.pmap.pv_entry_max tunable My question is : 1.what is the meaning of PV? 2.Although there are lots of this warning,my server works still well. Could someone explain the meaning of this warning ? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: searching INDEX in .sh
I'm looking for a snippet of .sh type shell code that searches the /usr/ports/INDEX-8 file for dependents. Just a pointer to a script in the ports system that has this would be helpful Do you mean that, given port A, you want to find all ports that need port A in order to be fetched, extracted, patched, built or installed? Or do you want to find all ports that are needed to fetch, extract, patch, build or install port A? If the former, you could look at the parts of ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk that are used by running `make -C $PORTSDIR search bdeps=insert PKGNAME of port A here display=name,path`, and `make -C $PORTSDIR search rdeps=insert PKGNAME of port A here display=name,path`. If the latter, look at the parts of ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk that are used by running `make -C insert PKGORIGIN of port A here pretty-print-run-depends pretty-print-build-depends`. Also, parts of the ports-mgmt/portmaster script used with --index-only may have similar functionality. And do you mean to only use the INDEX? Or are you able to use parts of the port tree? Or the pkg_info utility? b. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: searching INDEX in .sh
On 7/25/10, b. f. bf1...@googlemail.com wrote: the parts of ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk that are used by running `make -C insert PKGORIGIN of port A here pretty-print-run-depends pretty-print-build-depends`. Sorry, it's actually 'pretty-print-build-depends-list' and 'pretty-print-run-depends-list'. b. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FreeBSD 8.1 AHCI Timeouts
I bought a netbook today, and am trying to get FreeBSD 8.1 amd64 installed on it. As is my custom, I'm trying to back up the default system image the device came with. But no matter what I do, FreeBSD seems unable to properly interact with the hard drive. The netbook is a Toshiba NB250. The hard drive is listed by the BIOS as TOSHIBA MK1665GSXV-(S1). The BIOS version is V1.30. The first thing I did was boot the FreeBSD 8.1 amd64 USB install image, move to a fixit session using the live USB filesystem, and try and dd the hard drive to a USB stick. When I did that, the dd went terribly slow (a few KB a minute, before stalling), while dmesg was printing out: ad0: FAILURE - READ_DMA status=51READY, DSC, ERROR error=0 LBA=20530 These DMA failures occur regardless of whether the drive is in compatibility or AHCI mode. The next thing I did was boot again, changed the drive to AHCI mode, and did a load ahci.ko in the bootloader command prompt. The dd caused: ahcich0: Timeout on slot 0 ahcich0: is cs ss rs tfd 40 serr The next thing I did was boot again, with the drive in AHCI mode, and did a load ataahci.ko in the bootloader command prompt. The dd caused: ad0: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA retrying (1 retry left) LBA=2048 Doing some searches on the Internet for this problem, people often asked for verbose dmesg, pciconf, and vmstat output. I have attached them all. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Copyright (c) 1992-2010 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE #0: Mon Jul 19 02:36:49 UTC 2010 r...@mason.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 Preloaded elf kernel /boot/kernel/kernel at 0x8127c000. Preloaded mfs_root /boot/mfsroot at 0x8127c230. Preloaded elf obj module /boot/kernel/ahci.ko at 0x8127c280. Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 Calibrating TSC clock ... TSC clock: 1662690860 Hz CPU: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N455 @ 1.66GHz (1662.69-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin = GenuineIntel Id = 0x106ca Family = 6 Model = 1c Stepping = 10 Features=0xbfe9fbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE Features2=0x40e39dSSE3,DTES64,MON,DS_CPL,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,MOVBE AMD Features=0x20100800SYSCALL,NX,LM AMD Features2=0x1LAHF TSC: P-state invariant real memory = 1073741824 (1024 MB) Physical memory chunk(s): 0x1000 - 0x00099fff, 626688 bytes (153 pages) 0x012aa000 - 0x3d7cbfff, 1012015104 bytes (247074 pages) avail memory = 1004281856 (957 MB) ACPI APIC Table: TOSCPL TOSCPL00 FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 1 core(s) x 2 HTT threads cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP/HT): APIC ID: 1 x86bios: IVT 0x00-0x0004ff at 0xff00 x86bios: SSEG 0x01-0x01 at 0xff80e000 x86bios: EBDA 0x09d000-0x09 at 0xff09d000 x86bios: ROM 0x0a-0x0e at 0xff0a APIC: CPU 0 has ACPI ID 0 APIC: CPU 1 has ACPI ID 1 ULE: setup cpu 0 ULE: setup cpu 1 ACPI: RSDP 0xf7ca0 00024 (v2 TOSCPL) ACPI: XSDT 0x3f5d7ae1 00074 (v1 TOSCPL TOSCPL00 0604 LTP ) ACPI: FACP 0x3f5dfc60 000F4 (v3 TOSCPL TOSCPL00 0604 PTL 0002) ACPI: DSDT 0x3f5d8c77 06F75 (v1 TOSCPL TOSCPL00 0604 MSFT 0300) ACPI: FACS 0x3f5e2fc0 00040 ACPI: TCPA 0x3f5dfd54 00032 (v1 Phoeni x 0604 TL ) ACPI: HPET 0x3f5dfd86 00038 (v1 DELL M09 0604 LOHR 005A) ACPI: MCFG 0x3f5dfdbe 0003C (v1 INTEL CRESTLNE 0604 LOHR 005A) ACPI: SLIC 0x3f5dfdfa 00176 (v1 TOSCPL TOSCPL00 0604 LOHR ) ACPI: APIC 0x3f5dff70 00068 (v1 TOSCPL TOSCPL00 0604 LTP ) ACPI: BOOT 0x3f5dffd8 00028 (v1 TOSCPL TOSCPL00 0604 LTP 0001) ACPI: SSDT 0x3f5d80d7 0025F (v1 PmRef Cpu0Tst 3000 INTL 20050624) ACPI: SSDT 0x3f5d8031 000A6 (v1 PmRef Cpu1Tst 3000 INTL 20050624) ACPI: SSDT 0x3f5d7b55 004DC (v2 PmRefCpuPm 3000 INTL 20050624) MADT: Found IO APIC ID 2, Interrupt 0 at 0xfec0 ioapic0: Routing external 8259A's - intpin 0 lapic0: Routing NMI - LINT1 lapic0: LINT1 trigger: edge lapic0: LINT1 polarity: high lapic1: Routing NMI - LINT1 lapic1: LINT1 trigger: edge lapic1: LINT1 polarity: high MADT: Interrupt override: source 0, irq 2 ioapic0: Routing IRQ 0 - intpin 2 MADT: Interrupt override: source 9, irq 9 ioapic0: intpin 9 trigger: level ioapic0 Version 2.0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard cpu0 BSP: ID: 0x VER: 0x00050014 LDR: 0x DFR: 0x lint0: 0x00010700 lint1: 0x0400 TPR: 0x SVR: 0x01ff timer: 0x000100ef therm: 0x0200 err: 0x00f0 pmc: 0x00010400 wlan: 802.11 Link Layer random: entropy source,
Re: searching INDEX in .sh
b. f. wrote: I'm looking for a snippet of .sh type shell code that searches the /usr/ports/INDEX-8 file for dependents. Just a pointer to a script in the ports system that has this would be helpful Do you mean that, given port A, you want to find all ports that need port A in order to be fetched, extracted, patched, built or installed? Or do you want to find all ports that are needed to fetch, extract, patch, build or install port A? If the former, you could look at the parts of ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk that are used by running `make -C $PORTSDIR search bdeps=insert PKGNAME of port A here display=name,path`, and `make -C $PORTSDIR search rdeps=insert PKGNAME of port A here display=name,path`. If the latter, look at the parts of ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk that are used by running `make -C insert PKGORIGIN of port A here pretty-print-run-depends pretty-print-build-depends`. Also, parts of the ports-mgmt/portmaster script used with --index-only may have similar functionality. And do you mean to only use the INDEX? Or are you able to use parts of the port tree? Or the pkg_info utility? I just found /usr/ports/Tools/scripts/postsearch which uses the /usr/ports/INDEX-8 file as its source to search. This is a perl script but can be used from within in .sh script. Been playing with it and see a big inconsistence in how ports list build-deps and run-deps. Some ports list no build-deps just run-deps and vise-versa and some have same listed list in both. Thinking I will have to take both the build and run deps lists and sort them together and drop dups to create a good list of dependents to allow for the lax enforcement of standards in the Makefile about how to list the ports dependents. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
