Re: ZFS License and Future
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Steven Susbauer ste...@too1337.com wrote: Android uses the Java language, but this is not what that suit is about. Oracle claims the Dalvik VM infringes on their patents. If Android was using the Java VM there would be no lawsuit. Sun was able to successfully sue Microsoft for similar reasons in 1997 (incomplete implementation of the Java standard). Somehow people continued using Java, despite this. Actually they were not. If I remember correctly, the Microsoft Java VM was abandoned because of this and everyone had to switch to the Sun one. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: how to generate pi in c
Julian Fagir g...@physik.tu-berlin.de wrote:
Does anyone has a generate-pi.c source code?
...
1 #include stdlib.h
2 #include string.h
3 #include stdio.h
4
5 // Change this for a more accurate result.
6 long max = 1;
7 double a, b;
8 double pi;
9 long counter;
10 long i;
11
12 int main() {
13 for (i = 0; i max; i++) {
14 a = drand48();
15 b = drand48();
16 if (a*a + b*b = 1)
17 counter++;
18 }
19 pi = 4*counter;
20
21 printf(%e\n, pi);
22 return(0);
23 }
...
This approximation is stupid ... Just take 'random' numbers and
look whether they are in a circle (that's the a*a + b*b = 1).
Not stupid, clever. Very clever. I rather doubt it resembles what
the OP had in mind, but it is a brilliant example of what can be
accomplished when one casts aside any perceived need to adopt a
conventional approach.
The detail of this approximation heavily depends on the pseudo-rng
you are using, as does its correctness
Perhaps it would be useful in a PRNG test suite?
(e.g., when your 'rng' always returns 10, pi would be computed to
be 10) ...
Bad example. If abs(drand48()) always exceeded (0.5 * sqrt(2.0)),
a*a + b*b would always exceed 1.0, thus counter would never be
incremented and pi would be reported as zero.
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dying disk
My system disk is dying. No problem here. I know how to move a FreeBSD system to new hardware. I have a question though about my GEOM mirror. The system now had one geom mirror consisting of two 1Tb drives. How can I move that mirror over to the Fbsd system on the new hardware. I guess I don't know the right steps to take on a new fbsd system for an existing geom mirror. Any help is welcome. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: dying disk
On 06/11/2010 09:35, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: My system disk is dying. No problem here. I know how to move a FreeBSD system to new hardware. I have a question though about my GEOM mirror. The system now had one geom mirror consisting of two 1Tb drives. How can I move that mirror over to the Fbsd system on the new hardware. I guess I don't know the right steps to take on a new fbsd system for an existing geom mirror. Any help is welcome. Do you mean physically moving over the disk hardware behind the gmirror from one machine to another? Well, assuming that the processors on the old and new machines are binary compatible, it's just a matter of hooking up both drives to the new system[*]. It doesn't matter if they end up with different underlying device names -- so long as the kernel can taste the geom metadata on both drives it can reconstruct your gmirror. If the gmirror contains the root FS, it's actually easier than moving a traditionally configured system on a single drive, since you won't have to fiddle about rewriting /etc/fstab and teaching the bootloader the new place to mount the root directory from. It's much the same effect when moving ZFS RAID sets between systems -- as you might hope, since this is basic functionality required when setting up hot-swap and high-availability disk systems. Similarly, using glabel helps make moving single drives between systems (eg. USB memory sticks) much more pleasurable. Cheers, Matthew [*] Or you could just move one drive from your gmirror plus install a blank drive which you could later add to the mirror and resynch. -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
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Re: dying disk
On 6-11-2010 11:02, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 06/11/2010 09:35, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: My system disk is dying. No problem here. I know how to move a FreeBSD system to new hardware. I have a question though about my GEOM mirror. The system now had one geom mirror consisting of two 1Tb drives. How can I move that mirror over to the Fbsd system on the new hardware. I guess I don't know the right steps to take on a new fbsd system for an existing geom mirror. Any help is welcome. Do you mean physically moving over the disk hardware behind the gmirror from one machine to another? Thanks for the answer so far. No, I don't intend to buy a new system. I'll just replace the old system drive with a new one in the same system. If I understand you corrrectly it will be enough to have geom_load set on this new fbsd install to have FreeBSD load (and create) the existing geom mirror I now already have? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 02:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Tushar tushar...@gmail.com wrote: I want to use windows and freeBSD, both of them at the same time... please help... You can run Windows from FreeBSD, or FreeBSD from within Windows. Either way, use VirtualBox (http://www.virtualbox.org, emulators/virtualbox-ose from ports) to run both at the same time. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 02:01:22 -0700 (PDT), Tushar tushar...@gmail.com wrote: I want to use windows and freeBSD, both of them at the same time... please help... Consider using a virtualization solution to run both operating systems in parallel. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
Personally I would install FreeBSD as the primary operating system and install Windows in a VirtualBox VM. That way you can get the best of both worlds and no need to reboot to access a particular application. Opportunity is most often missed by people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. Thomas Alva Edison Inventor of 1093 patents, including: The light bulb, phonogram and motion pictures. On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Tushar tushar...@gmail.com wrote: I want to use windows and freeBSD, both of them at the same time... please help... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
update issue
Hi All, I regularly update my ports tree using portsnap fetch/update followed by portmanager -u commands. (Not forgetting to check the content of /usr/ports/UPDATING file.) It seems that some of the stuff can't be downloaded from the servers, so the update process is not finished successfully. I found that this problem is caused by pciids-20101005 and v4l_compat-1.0.20101027. They can't be retrieved from the servers or 'operation is not permitted'. These are the very last messages of my portmanager -u command: skipping pciids-20101005 /misc/pciids marked IGNORE reason: failed during make fetch skipping libpciaccess-0.12.0 /devel/libpciaccess until dependency pciids-20101020 updated skipping v4l_compat-1.0.20100403_1 /multimedia/v4l_compat marked IGNORE reason: failed during make fetch skipping hal-0.5.14_9 /sysutils/hal until dependency v4l_compat-1.0.20101027 updated skipping gstreamer-plugins-v4l2-0.10.25,3 /multimedia/gstreamer-plugins-v4l2 until dependency v4l_compat-1.0.20101027 updated skipping webcamd-0.1.16 /multimedia/webcamd until dependency v4l_compat-1.0.20101027 updated skipping libv4l-0.6.4 /multimedia/libv4l until dependency v4l_compat-1.0.20101027 updated skipping pwcview-1.4.1_3 /multimedia/pwcview until dependency v4l_compat-1.0.20101027 updated I missed something important, I am afraid. Could anyone be so kind as to provide me with an idea, what happened to my system and how to mitigate the issue, please? Istvan -- This mail was sent by Mutt-1.4.2.3_5, FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p1 #0, GENERIC i386 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
ssmtp - possible anomaly with SSL
I recently figured out how to send mail thru my ISP ID using ssmtp. I had previously only been using KMail, and I had it configured to use port 465 SSL LOGIN. I can send mail when I don't use port 465: mailhub=mail.InsightBB.com but if I add the port 465 a,d enable SSL with: UseTLS=YES then I use the -v switch and also -auFreeBSD -apPassword as in smtp -v -auFreeBSD -apPassword free...@insightbb.com and the messages all indicate success, but the mail never arrives. It does when I don't use SSL on port 465. KMail does work with SSL on port 465. -- System Name: laptop2.StevenFriedrich.org Hardware: 2.80GHz Intel Pentium 4 (HTT) with 2 GB memory OS version:FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p1 i386 (6.4 MB kernel) manager(s):kde4-4.5.3 X windows: xorg-7.5X.Org X Server 1.7.5 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: portmaster
Yes, of course I did. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: portmaster
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Re: ZFS License and Future
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Steven Susbauer ste...@too1337.com wrote: On 11/5/10 5:19 PM, Alejandro Imass wrote: [...] It sounds like he's probably a big fan of the BSD license. I do not see how this is a bad thing, other than he uses potentially inflammatory words like exploit. The basics of what he says are exactly what Red Hat has done from the beginning, and Apple with OS X. Note he says take it for nothing, he is not referring to buying companies but the practice of including/distributing this software and providing support for the entirety. Yes, but in practice, it looks like its really about buying companies mostly for their IP and IMHO, in turn sequestering, and to potentially close previously open source software. Of course, communities could potentially fork the already released OSS, but patents and tricky licensing schemes may stop them from doing so. I'm no expert and perhaps is very much speculation but my gut feeling is that companies like Oracle are in a position somewhat like SCO was a while back, trying to compensate their shrinking revenue streams on software sales by suing people. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ssmtp - possible anomaly with SSL
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Steven Friedrich free...@insightbb.comwrote: I recently figured out how to send mail thru my ISP ID using ssmtp. I had previously only been using KMail, and I had it configured to use port 465 SSL LOGIN. I can send mail when I don't use port 465: mailhub=mail.InsightBB.com but if I add the port 465 a,d enable SSL with: UseTLS=YES then I use the -v switch and also -auFreeBSD -apPassword as in smtp -v -auFreeBSD -apPassword free...@insightbb.com and the messages all indicate success, but the mail never arrives. It does when I don't use SSL on port 465. KMail does work with SSL on port 465. What does /var/log/maillog say? Can you post /usr/local/etc/ssmtp.conf? (without password of course) Here is mine and it works fine. MailHub=smtp.gmail.com:587 UseTLS=YES authuser=r*...@xaerolimit.net AuthPass= FromLineOverride=YES Hostname=mail.xaerolimit.net root=*...@xaerolimit.net UseSTARTTLS=YES Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions -- System Name: laptop2.StevenFriedrich.org Hardware: 2.80GHz Intel Pentium 4 (HTT) with 2 GB memory OS version:FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p1 i386 (6.4 MB kernel) manager(s):kde4-4.5.3 X windows: xorg-7.5X.Org X Server 1.7.5 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
OpenLDAP: slapd and all clienttools coredumping on FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE/amd64
I got three FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE/amd64 servers running acting as OpenLDAP
servers and clients. On one box every cleint out of the
openldap-sasl-client suite crashes as well as slapd itself. On all three
boxes we use identical installations, the OS is mostly identical (most
recent FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE/amd64).
Well, I tried recompiling everything neccessary for OpenLDAP via
portmaster -f, but it does not seem to help.
I deleted on the crashing box every config and tried configuring from
scratch, but then I realized that slapd and, for instance, slapcat,
coredumping immediately. This happens to all openldap related clients.
It seems there is a kind of miscompilation. Using truss results in the
following appended. I feel a little bit desperated since on two boxes
the OpenLDAP suite works perfectly
truss /usr/local/libexec/slapd -d 255 -f
/usr/local/etc/openldap/slapd.conf
===
[snip]
fstat(2,{ mode=-rw-r--r-- ,inode=211975,size=1613,blksize=16384 }) = 0 (0x0)
read(2,# $FreeBSD: stable/8/etc/hosts 1...,16384) = 1613 (0x64d)
close(2) = 0 (0x0)
open(/usr/local/etc/openldap/ldap.conf,O_RDONLY,0666) = 2 (0x2)
fstat(2,{ mode=-rw-r--r-- ,inode=801488,size=339,blksize=16384 }) = 0 (0x0)
read(2,#\n# LDAP Defaults\n#\n\n# See l...,16384) = 339 (0x153)
read(2,0x801e32000,16384)= 0 (0x0)
close(2) = 0 (0x0)
geteuid()= 0 (0x0)
getuid() = 0 (0x0)
open(/root/ldaprc,O_RDONLY,0666) ERR#2 'No such file or
directory'
open(/root/.ldaprc,O_RDONLY,0666) ERR#2 'No such file or
directory'
open(ldaprc,O_RDONLY,0666) ERR#2 'No such file or
directory'
socket(PF_LOCAL,SOCK_DGRAM,0)= 2 (0x2)
fcntl(2,F_SETFD,FD_CLOEXEC) = 0 (0x0)
connect(2,{ AF_UNIX /var/run/logpriv },106)= 0 (0x0)
write(2,@(#) $OpenLDAP: slapd 2.4.23 (No...,153) = 153 (0x99)
clock_gettime(13,{1289053015.0 })= 0 (0x0)
access(/etc/localtime,4) ERR#2 'No such file or
directory'
issetugid(0x8018a45e0,0x8019d9120,0x1,0x2,0x568f6b,0x0) = 0 (0x0)
open(/usr/share/zoneinfo/UTC,O_RDONLY,056) ERR#2 'No such file or
directory'
issetugid(0x8018a4521,0x8019d9120,0x0,0x8018a45e8,0x101010101010101,0x8080808080808080)
= 0 (0x0)
open(/usr/share/zoneinfo/posixrules,O_RDONLY,056) = 3 (0x3)
fstat(3,{ mode=-r--r--r-- ,inode=71592,size=3519,blksize=16384 }) = 0 (0x0)
read(3,TZif2\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0...,41448) = 3519 (0xdbf)
close(3) = 0 (0x0)
getpid() = 35315 (0x89f3)
sendto(2,167Nov 6 14:16:55 slapd[35315...,187,0x0,NULL,0x0) = 187
(0xbb)
__sysctl(0x7fffe8c0,0x2,0x7fffe8e0,0x7fffe8b8,0x0,0x0) = 0 (0x0)
stat(/etc/nsswitch.conf,{ mode=-rw-r--r--
,inode=212011,size=491,blksize=16384 }) = 0 (0x0)
open(/etc/hosts,O_RDONLY,0666) = 3 (0x3)
fstat(3,{ mode=-rw-r--r-- ,inode=211975,size=1613,blksize=16384 }) = 0 (0x0)
read(3,# $FreeBSD: stable/8/etc/hosts 1...,16384) = 1613 (0x64d)
close(3) = 0 (0x0)
write(2,ldap_pvt_gethostbyname_a: host=t...,61) = 61 (0x3d)
write(2,daemon_init: null\n,20) = 20 (0x14)
getrlimit(RLIMIT_NOFILE,{ cur=11095,max=11095 }) = 0 (0x0)
pipe(0x64b748) = 0 (0x0)
fcntl(4,F_GETFL,)= 2 (0x2)
fcntl(4,F_SETFL,O_NONBLOCK|0x2) = 0 (0x0)
write(2,daemon_init: listen on ldap:///...,32) = 32 (0x20)
write(2,daemon_init: 1 listeners to open...,36) = 36 (0x24)
write(2,ldap_url_parse_ext(ldap:///)\n,29) = 29 (0x1d)
socket(PF_INET6,SOCK_DGRAM,0)ERR#43 'Protocol not
supported'
socket(PF_INET,SOCK_DGRAM,0) = 5 (0x5)
close(5) = 0 (0x0)
socket(PF_INET,SOCK_STREAM,0)= 5 (0x5)
setsockopt(0x5,0x,0x4,0x7fffea0c,0x4,0x0) = 0 (0x0)
bind(5,{ AF_INET 0.0.0.0:389 },16) = 0 (0x0)
write(2,daemon: listener initialized lda...,38) = 38 (0x26)
write(2,daemon_init: 1 listeners opened...,32) = 32 (0x20)
write(2,ldap_create\n,12) = 12 (0xc)
SIGNAL 11 (SIGSEGV)
process exit, rval = 0
===
And for slapcat:
===
[snip]
sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK,0x0,0x0) = 0 (0x0)
sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK,SIGHUP|SIGINT|SIGQUIT|SIGKILL|SIGPIPE|SIGALRM|SIGTERM|SIGURG|SIGSTOP|SIGTSTP|SIGCONT|SIGCHLD|SIGTTIN|SIGTTOU|SIGIO|SIGXCPU|SIGXFSZ|SIGVTALRM|SIGPROF|SIGWINCH|SIGINFO|SIGUSR1|SIGUSR2,0x0)
= 0 (0x0)
sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK,0x0,0x0) = 0 (0x0)
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
Yes, I'm going to try virtualbox. Thankyou On Nov 6, 4:22 pm, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 02:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Tushar tushar...@gmail.com wrote: I want to use windows and freeBSD, both of them at the same time... please help... You can run Windows from FreeBSD, or FreeBSD from within Windows. Either way, use VirtualBox (http://www.virtualbox.org, emulators/virtualbox-ose from ports) to run both at the same time. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org mailing listhttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
Yes, I'm going to try virtualbox. Thankyou On Nov 6, 4:33 pm, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 02:01:22 -0700 (PDT), Tushar tushar...@gmail.com wrote: I want to use windows and freeBSD, both of them at the same time... please help... Consider using a virtualization solution to run both operating systems in parallel. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org mailing listhttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
Yes, I'm going to try virtualbox. Thankyou On Nov 6, 4:20 pm, Ross Cameron ross.came...@linuxpro.co.za wrote: Personally I would install FreeBSD as the primary operating system and install Windows in a VirtualBox VM. That way you can get the best of both worlds and no need to reboot to access a particular application. Opportunity is most often missed by people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. Thomas Alva Edison Inventor of 1093 patents, including: The light bulb, phonogram and motion pictures. On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Tushar tushar...@gmail.com wrote: I want to use windows and freeBSD, both of them at the same time... please help... ___ freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org mailing listhttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ssmtp - possible anomaly with SSL
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 07:23:39AM -0400, Steven Friedrich wrote: I recently figured out how to send mail thru my ISP ID using ssmtp. I had previously only been using KMail, and I had it configured to use port 465 SSL LOGIN. I can send mail when I don't use port 465: mailhub=mail.InsightBB.com but if I add the port 465 a,d enable SSL with: UseTLS=YES then I use the -v switch and also -auFreeBSD -apPassword as in smtp -v -auFreeBSD -apPassword free...@insightbb.com and the messages all indicate success, but the mail never arrives. It does when I don't use SSL on port 465. KMail does work with SSL on port 465. I'm not entirely clear on what you're using as a mail user agent. Are you still using KMail as your MUA, but using ssmtp to send the emails to your SMTP server, or have you switched MUAs when you started using ssmtp? Chris Brennan suggested you send more information; in addition to answering my question, it might be useful to give us the information Chris requested -- but make sure you obscure any username/password information. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpU2tev6gfP9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ZFS License and Future
On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 11:44:28PM -0500, Steven Susbauer wrote: On 11/5/10 5:19 PM, Alejandro Imass wrote: Precisely. This is Larry Ellison's position on Open Source: quote If an open source product gets good enough, we'll simply take it. [...] So the great thing about open source is nobody owns it – a company like Oracle is free to take it for nothing, include it in our products and charge for support, and that's what we'll do. So it is not disruptive at all – you have to find places to add value. Once open source gets good enough, competing with it would be insane. [...] We don't have to fight open source, we have to exploit open source. /quote Source: Financial Times interview, 18-Apr-2006 http://us.ft.com/ftgateway/superpage.ft?news_id=fto041820061306424713 It sounds like he's probably a big fan of the BSD license. I do not see how this is a bad thing, other than he uses potentially inflammatory words like exploit. The basics of what he says are exactly what Red Hat has done from the beginning, and Apple with OS X. Note he says take it for nothing, he is not referring to buying companies but the practice of including/distributing this software and providing support for the entirety. It *does* seem that way, at first glance. Taken in the context of Oracle's recent behavior, though, a less pleasant picture emerges. Combining Oracle's willingness to violate the spirit of open source software development in the case of the Google/Java lawsuit with its willingness to essentially end an open source project as with Solaris, we end up with a situation where it becomes risky to rely on the open source status of anything Oracle owns, regardless of the license under which it is distributed. What happens if Oracle decides to close up a previously open project on which your projects rely? Will Oracle lawyers find some patent related to the creation of that software the company owns and use that to sue you if you fork the project to ensure the survival of your own development projects? It seems somewhat likely, somehow. As much as I think MySQL and OpenOffice.org are crappy software in many respects, I'm glad they've both been forked following Oracle's acquisition, if only because they can serve as tests of Oracle's readiness to sue people for forking the company's intellectual property. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgputUKbiYIvq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ZFS License and Future
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 09:16:05AM +0200, App Deb wrote: On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Steven Susbauer ste...@too1337.com wrote: Android uses the Java language, but this is not what that suit is about. Oracle claims the Dalvik VM infringes on their patents. If Android was using the Java VM there would be no lawsuit. Sun was able to successfully sue Microsoft for similar reasons in 1997 (incomplete implementation of the Java standard). Somehow people continued using Java, despite this. Actually they were not. If I remember correctly, the Microsoft Java VM was abandoned because of this and everyone had to switch to the Sun one. I think Steven was saying that people are still using Java the language, not that they're still using Microsoft's Java implementation. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpstWNYXBsOL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ZFS License and Future
On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 11:25:13PM -0500, Steven Susbauer wrote: On 11/5/10 4:34 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: Will Oracle start using patent suits to try to stop people who aren't paying for ZFS or who are using it on platforms other than Solaris from using it? Whether you think concerns like these will prove reasonable in the long run, they make a lot more sense than assuming that Alejandro just wonders if the CDDL is dangerous somehow. I would be surprised. Oracle (real Oracle, not Sun) is still the primary developer of btrfs on Linux. They are pretty much going for feature parity with ZFS and want people to actually use it. If they start suing over ZFS patents which are certainly applicable to btrfs, it will have repercussions on that side. Perhaps. On the other hand, Oracle could offer some kind of patent covenant protecting btrfs while going after a ZFS fork as a way of focing people to migrate from it to btrfs, as a more hostile way of achieving what Microsoft does when it ends support for an older OS to get people to buy the newer Windows release. . . . or maybe Oracle will decide it doesn't need the open source community's help any longer at some future date, and shut down *both* open source filesystem development projects. Oracle is known to be at least intermittently hostile toward open source software, in ways that are sometimes more frightening than Microsoft's hostility. This is scaring people, and I don't blame them. The uncertainty about Oracle's future position on everything it has acquired with Sun is something that will need to be tested and observed to see how it shakes out in the next few years; in the meantime, I do not blame anyone for being cautious about committing to use of open source software under the Oracle umbrella. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpp1MmYMhx2Q.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ssmtp - possible anomaly with SSL
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 07:23:39AM -0400, Steven Friedrich wrote: I recently figured out how to send mail thru my ISP ID using ssmtp. I had previously only been using KMail, and I had it configured to use port 465 SSL LOGIN. I can send mail when I don't use port 465: mailhub=mail.InsightBB.com but if I add the port 465 a,d enable SSL with: UseTLS=YES then I use the -v switch and also -auFreeBSD -apPassword as in smtp -v -auFreeBSD -apPassword free...@insightbb.com and the messages all indicate success, but the mail never arrives. It does when I don't use SSL on port 465. KMail does work with SSL on port 465. I'm not entirely clear on what you're using as a mail user agent. Are you still using KMail as your MUA, but using ssmtp to send the emails to your SMTP server, or have you switched MUAs when you started using ssmtp? Chris Brennan suggested you send more information; in addition to answering my question, it might be useful to give us the information Chris requested -- but make sure you obscure any username/password information. If you reference my last e-mail, I posted my my working ssmtp.conf (for communicating w/ GMail/Google for Domains). If sSMTP is your only MTA, then using my example will get you up and running very quickly. You can also reference http://wiki.freebsd.org/SecureSSMTP on how to secure it (if this is a (semi-)public machine with more then one user on it. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS License and Future
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 11:25:13PM -0500, Steven Susbauer wrote: On 11/5/10 4:34 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: Will Oracle start using patent suits to try to stop people who aren't paying for ZFS or who are using it on platforms other than Solaris from using it? Whether you think concerns like these will prove reasonable in the long run, they make a lot more sense than assuming that Alejandro just wonders if the CDDL is dangerous somehow. I would be surprised. Oracle (real Oracle, not Sun) is still the primary developer of btrfs on Linux. They are pretty much going for feature parity with ZFS and want people to actually use it. If they start suing over ZFS patents which are certainly applicable to btrfs, it will have repercussions on that side. Perhaps. On the other hand, Oracle could offer some kind of patent covenant protecting btrfs while going after a ZFS fork as a way of focing people to migrate from it to btrfs, as a more hostile way of achieving what Microsoft does when it ends support for an older OS to get people to buy the newer Windows release. . . . or maybe Oracle will decide it doesn't need the open source community's help any longer at some future date, and shut down *both* open source filesystem development projects. Oracle is known to be at least intermittently hostile toward open source software, in ways that are sometimes more frightening than Microsoft's hostility. This is scaring people, and I don't blame them. The uncertainty about Oracle's future position on everything it has acquired with Sun is something that will need to be tested and observed to see how it shakes out in the next few years; in the meantime, I do not blame anyone for being cautious about committing to use of open source software under the Oracle umbrella. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Chad, what are these attachments to your e-mail? My client keeps flagging your mail as questionable and I'm sandboxing it to make sure it's nothing bad :D ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ssmtp - possible anomaly with SSL
On Saturday 06 November 2010 12:01:53 pm Chad Perrin wrote: On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 07:23:39AM -0400, Steven Friedrich wrote: I recently figured out how to send mail thru my ISP ID using ssmtp. I had previously only been using KMail, and I had it configured to use port 465 SSL LOGIN. I can send mail when I don't use port 465: mailhub=mail.InsightBB.com but if I add the port 465 a,d enable SSL with: UseTLS=YES then I use the -v switch and also -auFreeBSD -apPassword as in smtp -v -auFreeBSD -apPassword free...@insightbb.com and the messages all indicate success, but the mail never arrives. It does when I don't use SSL on port 465. KMail does work with SSL on port 465. I'm not entirely clear on what you're using as a mail user agent. Are you still using KMail as your MUA, but using ssmtp to send the emails to your SMTP server, or have you switched MUAs when you started using ssmtp? Chris Brennan suggested you send more information; in addition to answering my question, it might be useful to give us the information Chris requested -- but make sure you obscure any username/password information. I still use KMail for my essential email. However, I want to be able to use send-pr. There is a port called ssmtp, and I use it only for outgoing mail, it allows any userID to send outgoing email using a single ISP account. When my /usr/local/etc/ssmtp.conf is: root=free...@insightbb.com mailhub=mail.InsightBB.com rewriteDomain=InsightBB.com hostname=_HOSTNAME_ I can send an outgoing email to myself so I can prove it works. ssmtp -v free...@insighttbb.com And the verbose output indicates success. I didn't post it, just stated what it was. But when I configure SSL on port 465, it also shows a good exchange, but maybe I didn't wait long enough to see it get thru the ISP's system. So my SSL version of ssmtp.conf is: root=free...@insightbb.com mailhub=mail.InsightBB.com:465 rewriteDomain=InsightBB.com hostname=_HOSTNAME_ # Use SSL/TLS to send secure messages to server. UseTLS=YES The verbose option indicated success when sending an email from root. Let me verify that it wasn't my mistake for not waiting longer... -- System Name: laptop2.StevenFriedrich.org Hardware: 2.80GHz Intel Pentium 4 (HTT) with 2 GB memory OS version:FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p1 i386 (6.4 MB kernel) manager(s):kde4-4.5.3 X windows: xorg-7.5X.Org X Server 1.7.5 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ssmtp - possible anomaly with SSL
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Steven Friedrich free...@insightbb.comwrote: On Saturday 06 November 2010 12:01:53 pm Chad Perrin wrote: On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 07:23:39AM -0400, Steven Friedrich wrote: I recently figured out how to send mail thru my ISP ID using ssmtp. I had previously only been using KMail, and I had it configured to use port 465 SSL LOGIN. I can send mail when I don't use port 465: mailhub=mail.InsightBB.com but if I add the port 465 a,d enable SSL with: UseTLS=YES then I use the -v switch and also -auFreeBSD -apPassword as in smtp -v -auFreeBSD -apPassword free...@insightbb.com and the messages all indicate success, but the mail never arrives. It does when I don't use SSL on port 465. KMail does work with SSL on port 465. I'm not entirely clear on what you're using as a mail user agent. Are you still using KMail as your MUA, but using ssmtp to send the emails to your SMTP server, or have you switched MUAs when you started using ssmtp? Chris Brennan suggested you send more information; in addition to answering my question, it might be useful to give us the information Chris requested -- but make sure you obscure any username/password information. I still use KMail for my essential email. However, I want to be able to use send-pr. There is a port called ssmtp, and I use it only for outgoing mail, it allows any userID to send outgoing email using a single ISP account. When my /usr/local/etc/ssmtp.conf is: root=free...@insightbb.com mailhub=mail.InsightBB.com rewriteDomain=InsightBB.com hostname=_HOSTNAME_ I can send an outgoing email to myself so I can prove it works. ssmtp -v free...@insighttbb.com And the verbose output indicates success. I didn't post it, just stated what it was. But when I configure SSL on port 465, it also shows a good exchange, but maybe I didn't wait long enough to see it get thru the ISP's system. So my SSL version of ssmtp.conf is: root=free...@insightbb.com mailhub=mail.InsightBB.com:465 rewriteDomain=InsightBB.com hostname=_HOSTNAME_ # Use SSL/TLS to send secure messages to server. UseTLS=YES The verbose option indicated success when sending an email from root. Let me verify that it wasn't my mistake for not waiting longer... -- System Name: laptop2.StevenFriedrich.org Hardware: 2.80GHz Intel Pentium 4 (HTT) with 2 GB memory OS version:FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p1 i386 (6.4 MB kernel) manager(s):kde4-4.5.3 X windows: xorg-7.5X.Org X Server 1.7.5 ___ /var/log/maillog is where you will see success/fail. Your config looks good to me, so I would watch maillog while sending mail and see what crops up. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS License and Future
On 06.11.2010 17:44, Chris Brennan wrote: On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 11:25:13PM -0500, Steven Susbauer wrote: On 11/5/10 4:34 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: Will Oracle start using patent suits to try to stop people who aren't paying for ZFS or who are using it on platforms other than Solaris from using it? Whether you think concerns like these will prove reasonable in the long run, they make a lot more sense than assuming that Alejandro just wonders if the CDDL is dangerous somehow. I would be surprised. Oracle (real Oracle, not Sun) is still the primary developer of btrfs on Linux. They are pretty much going for feature parity with ZFS and want people to actually use it. If they start suing over ZFS patents which are certainly applicable to btrfs, it will have repercussions on that side. Perhaps. On the other hand, Oracle could offer some kind of patent covenant protecting btrfs while going after a ZFS fork as a way of focing people to migrate from it to btrfs, as a more hostile way of achieving what Microsoft does when it ends support for an older OS to get people to buy the newer Windows release. . . . or maybe Oracle will decide it doesn't need the open source community's help any longer at some future date, and shut down *both* open source filesystem development projects. Oracle is known to be at least intermittently hostile toward open source software, in ways that are sometimes more frightening than Microsoft's hostility. This is scaring people, and I don't blame them. The uncertainty about Oracle's future position on everything it has acquired with Sun is something that will need to be tested and observed to see how it shakes out in the next few years; in the meantime, I do not blame anyone for being cautious about committing to use of open source software under the Oracle umbrella. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Chad, what are these attachments to your e-mail? My client keeps flagging your mail as questionable and I'm sandboxing it to make sure it's nothing bad :D I suppose they are the PGP signature? //Svein -- +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv...@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | sv...@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listm...@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +---+--- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |sv...@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle:SS16503-RIPE +---+--- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: ZFS License and Future
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) svein-listm...@stillbilde.net wrote: Chad, what are these attachments to your e-mail? My client keeps flagging your mail as questionable and I'm sandboxing it to make sure it's nothing bad :D I suppose they are the PGP signature? //Svein You could suppose that but I'm on a windows machine at the moment so not going to risk it and ... your attachment shows as a PGP Signature ... his didn't, just 'noname' for the file name ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
802.11 USB recommendations
Can anyone recommend a stable USB Wifi NIC?? Mine seems to be having issues: [...@yeaguy ~]$ cat /var/log/messages | grep wlan0 Nov 4 19:03:29 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: Ethernet address: 00:1e:e5:a8:bd:5a Nov 4 19:03:30 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to UP Nov 4 20:59:53 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: Ethernet address: 00:1e:e5:a8:bd:5a Nov 4 20:59:54 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to UP Nov 6 00:16:15 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to DOWN Nov 6 00:16:19 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to UP Nov 6 00:16:47 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to DOWN Nov 6 00:16:47 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to UP Nov 6 00:17:30 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to DOWN Nov 6 00:17:31 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to UP Nov 6 04:23:40 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to DOWN Nov 6 04:23:53 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to UP Nov 6 10:28:18 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to DOWN Nov 6 10:28:28 yeaguy kernel: wlan0: link state changed to UP [...@yeaguy ~]$ grep rum /var/run/dmesg.boot rum0: Cisco-Linksys Compact Wireless-G USB Adapter, class 0/0, rev 2.00/0.01, addr 2 on usbus2 rum0: MAC/BBP RT2573 (rev 0x2573a), RF RT2528 rum0: need multicast update callback [...@yeaguy ~]$ Thanks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: portmaster
On 6-11-2010 13:39, RW wrote: On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 23:22:49 +0100 Dick Hoogendijkd...@nagual.nl wrote: Yes, of course I did. Then of course you should have mentioned it. Ans of course you are right. ;-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: update issue
On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 12:26:55 +0100 Istvan Galgand igalg...@freemail.hu articulated: Hi All, I regularly update my ports tree using portsnap fetch/update followed by portmanager -u commands. (Not forgetting to check the content of /usr/ports/UPDATING file.) It seems that some of the stuff can't be downloaded from the servers, so the update process is not finished successfully. I found that this problem is caused by pciids-20101005 and v4l_compat-1.0.20101027. They can't be retrieved from the servers or 'operation is not permitted'. These are the very last messages of my portmanager -u command: skipping pciids-20101005 /misc/pciids marked IGNORE reason: failed during make fetch skipping libpciaccess-0.12.0 /devel/libpciaccess until dependency pciids-20101020 updated skipping v4l_compat-1.0.20100403_1 /multimedia/v4l_compat marked IGNORE reason: failed during make fetch skipping hal-0.5.14_9 /sysutils/hal until dependency v4l_compat-1.0.20101027 updated skipping gstreamer-plugins-v4l2-0.10.25,3 /multimedia/gstreamer-plugins-v4l2 until dependency v4l_compat-1.0.20101027 updated skipping webcamd-0.1.16 /multimedia/webcamd until dependency v4l_compat-1.0.20101027 updated skipping libv4l-0.6.4 /multimedia/libv4l until dependency v4l_compat-1.0.20101027 updated skipping pwcview-1.4.1_3 /multimedia/pwcview until dependency v4l_compat-1.0.20101027 updated I missed something important, I am afraid. Could anyone be so kind as to provide me with an idea, what happened to my system and how to mitigate the issue, please? That happens sometimes. I usually just cd to the afflicted port directory and try to download the requisite files prior to running portmanager. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case. George W. Bush January 30, 2000 From speech in Pella, Iowa and quoted in the San Antonio Express-News. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS License and Future
On 5 November 2010 19:11, Alejandro Imass aim...@yabarana.com wrote: Hey folks, A while back I started the thread Troubles on SATA drives ZFS. I decided to bring the zpool down check each disk and re-construct the pool. Nevertheless, I was revising one of the ZFS error message links and Oracle made me create a developer id to access the info. This really pissed me off even more than teh Android suit, so it got me thinking... Maybe I should go back to UFS, CCD, GEOM, etc. instead of continuing to support f***ing Oracle. ZFS was honestly very easy and seemed very reliable and fast, but I would like the opinion and position of people here on ZFS before I continue using it. Many thanks, Alejandro Imass ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org the main problem is geom and ufs isnt a like for like replacement yet. Good as though geom is it just not as easy as zfs from an adminsistration point of view in my opinion. It may potentinally get a block checksum class but it will be a long time before its like for like. I've had a play around with btrfs, which is supposed to be an opensource equivelent to zfs. It is far from ready yet though. It may mature into a good product in the future, but its a long way off and far from polished (dam horrible from what ive seen so far). Most of its development was backed by oracle though from what i have read, so who knows where that will go now. If oracle want to continue to push linux and it to have a decent fs, it may well just be easier for them to drop the licensing issues with cddl which was preventing zfs from making it into linux. Who knows but for anything in the near to medium future there is nothing to rival zfs on the opensource market. Having said all that it really depends on whether you need the extra features of zfs. Personally I cant see how anyone with any important data can do without checksuming. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS License and Future
On 5 November 2010 22:19, Alejandro Imass a...@p2ee.org wrote: On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 08:25:05PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote: Well ... CDDL was (iirc) based on the Mozilla Public License. Are you similarly worried about Thunderbird or Firefox? I think Alejandro's more worried about what will happen with future versions of ZFS based on the company that now owns the copyrights, which is not (in any meaningful way I've been able to determine) at all similar to the Mozilla Foundation. Yes, the current stable version is CDDL. Will the next be purely proprietary, or some new license, or simply discontinued? Will Oracle start using patent suits to try to stop people who aren't paying for ZFS or who are using it on platforms other than Solaris from using it? Whether you think concerns like these will prove reasonable in the long run, they make a lot more sense than assuming that Alejandro just wonders if the CDDL is dangerous somehow. Precisely. This is Larry Ellison's position on Open Source: quote If an open source product gets good enough, we'll simply take it. [...] So the great thing about open source is nobody owns it – a company like Oracle is free to take it for nothing, include it in our products and charge for support, and that's what we'll do. So it is not disruptive at all – you have to find places to add value. Once open source gets good enough, competing with it would be insane. [...] We don't have to fight open source, we have to exploit open source. /quote Source: Financial Times interview, 18-Apr-2006 http://us.ft.com/ftgateway/superpage.ft?news_id=fto041820061306424713 I am not about to check the actual licensing of ZFS, I mean to which parts are actually licensed with the CDDL or not, for example the HTML error message documents. Which patents Sun or Oracle have obtained on the technology, etc. Look at what happened to Android for choosing Java. Supposedly, it was Open Source and there you have it: it's open source if and only if... For example, WyTF do I have to login to Oracle to access the error message information? So, my inquiry to this community is: should we really be promoting the use of ZFS directly by putting it on the FBSD handbook? Maybe it should go on a different document, and make it really optional. MySQL is another example, and Open Office, and to top it off BDB. Yes, it's Oracle Berkeley DB - are we as a community continue to allow, and worse yet promote, this trend? Anyway, I'm not going to use it any more. I think that we have to raise awareness to Companies that create Open Source not sell themselves out to these vicious looters. Or at least have the decency to release one final version under a license that will allow the communities to continue development and keeping the software really open. Best, Alejandro Imass ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org this thread shouldnt be limited to just zfs really, dtrace is also affected by all the same licensing issues ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS License and Future
On 06.11.2010 19:52, krad wrote: On 5 November 2010 19:11, Alejandro Imass aim...@yabarana.com wrote: Hey folks, A while back I started the thread Troubles on SATA drives ZFS. I decided to bring the zpool down check each disk and re-construct the pool. Nevertheless, I was revising one of the ZFS error message links and Oracle made me create a developer id to access the info. This really pissed me off even more than teh Android suit, so it got me thinking... Maybe I should go back to UFS, CCD, GEOM, etc. instead of continuing to support f***ing Oracle. ZFS was honestly very easy and seemed very reliable and fast, but I would like the opinion and position of people here on ZFS before I continue using it. Many thanks, Alejandro Imass ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org the main problem is geom and ufs isnt a like for like replacement yet. Good as though geom is it just not as easy as zfs from an adminsistration point of view in my opinion. It may potentinally get a block checksum class but it will be a long time before its like for like. I've had a play around with btrfs, which is supposed to be an opensource equivelent to zfs. It is far from ready yet though. It may mature into a good product in the future, but its a long way off and far from polished (dam horrible from what ive seen so far). Most of its development was backed by oracle though from what i have read, so who knows where that will go now. If oracle want to continue to push linux and it to have a decent fs, it may well just be easier for them to drop the licensing issues with cddl which was preventing zfs from making it into linux. Who knows but for anything in the near to medium future there is nothing to rival zfs on the opensource market. Having said all that it really depends on whether you need the extra features of zfs. Personally I cant see how anyone with any important data can do without checksuming. The question I keep asking myself, is what could FreeBSD + DragonFlyBSD do with DragonFly's Hammer. Is there any work in progress porting Hammer to FreeBSD, or is that unlikely for ... personal history reasons? //Svein -- +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv...@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | sv...@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listm...@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +---+--- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |sv...@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle:SS16503-RIPE +---+--- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Is Intel Core I7 930 2.80 Ghz as good or better option than AMD
I've always been an AMD fan but am getting the idea that they are loosing their edge. So my question if the Intel Core I7 930 2.80 Ghz is as good and option or is their a better AMD at a similar o cheaper price? I plan to install this in a GigaByte GA-X58A/UD7 motherboard with 6 Gb in a Cosmos-S Cooler Master cabinet with extra fans and Cooler Master 600w power supply. Any comments appreciated. Please copy me on your answers. Enjoy your weekend. ed ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
Yes, I would recommend that configuration also, because FreeBSD is much more lightweight of the two, so you don't impose the overhead of running Windows when all you need is FreeBSD. Quoth Ross Cameron on Saturday, 06 November 2010: Personally I would install FreeBSD as the primary operating system and install Windows in a VirtualBox VM. That way you can get the best of both worlds and no need to reboot to access a particular application. Opportunity is most often missed by people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. Thomas Alva Edison Inventor of 1093 patents, including: The light bulb, phonogram and motion pictures. On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Tushar tushar...@gmail.com wrote: I want to use windows and freeBSD, both of them at the same time... please help... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgp4DjFCTcWzv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Is Intel Core I7 930 2.80 Ghz as good or better option than AMD
eculp wrote: I've always been an AMD fan but am getting the idea that they are loosing their edge. So my question if the Intel Core I7 930 2.80 Ghz is as good and option or is their a better AMD at a similar o cheaper price? I plan to install this in a GigaByte GA-X58A/UD7 motherboard with 6 Gb in a Cosmos-S Cooler Master cabinet with extra fans and Cooler Master 600w power supply. Any comments appreciated. Please copy me on your answers. What will you be doing with it? Will you actually be running FBSD on it and what sort of applications? You're talking about value here, but who is going to do the research for you.. So please don't be lazy and pick an exact AMD processor you're looking at.. (most likely Istanbul/Magny-cours) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 12:09:34 -0700 Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Yes, I would recommend that configuration also, because FreeBSD is much more lightweight of the two, so you don't impose the overhead of running Windows when all you need is FreeBSD. I'm not sure that's true, actually. FreeBSD by itself may be a lot more lightweight than Windows but once you add in Xorg and KDE I think it needs about the same, if not more, memory. People will argue that you don't have to run KDE or GNOME but as can be seen from the success of Ubuntu people like complete desktop environments. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ssmtp - possible anomaly with SSL
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 12:54:39PM -0400, Chris Brennan wrote: On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Steven Friedrich free...@insightbb.comwrote: I still use KMail for my essential email. Okay, thanks for clarifying, Steven. And the verbose output indicates success. I didn't post it, just stated what it was. But when I configure SSL on port 465, it also shows a good exchange, but maybe I didn't wait long enough to see it get thru the ISP's system. So my SSL version of ssmtp.conf is: root=free...@insightbb.com mailhub=mail.InsightBB.com:465 rewriteDomain=InsightBB.com hostname=_HOSTNAME_ # Use SSL/TLS to send secure messages to server. UseTLS=YES The verbose option indicated success when sending an email from root. Let me verify that it wasn't my mistake for not waiting longer... . . . and you said that setting it to send email through mail.insightbb.com:465 in KMail config works. Right? In addition to Chris Brennan's article references, there's another that I wrote quite some time ago that I think explains ssmtp config for TLS use pretty well: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=440 From what you said so far, it seems like ssmtp is configured correctly. It seems likely, then, that the problem is with KMail or with something filtering port 465. Does KDE have something going on with firewall management that might be allowing KMail to send stuff on port 465 while outside of KDE's help you cannot? Have you checked to see whether you can send with your TLS settings for ssmtp from outside of KMail? If you are not wedded to ssmtp per se, you could always try msmtp instead: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=1842 It does much the same sort of stuff as ssmtp, but is a bit more feature rich, and appears to be more actively maintained than ssmtp. /var/log/maillog is where you will see success/fail. Your config looks good to me, so I would watch maillog while sending mail and see what crops up. It appears that Chris Brennan knows a bit about this subject. Yes, that file may prove useful in troubleshooting this issue. If you are having trouble figuring out whether maillog has anything to offer for hints, you might want to paste its contents into pastebin and give us a link to it there so we can give it a look (after checking to make sure you are not pasting any sensitive data, of course). -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgp4vEGMWEDJJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ZFS License and Future
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 06:52:19PM +, krad wrote: the main problem is geom and ufs isnt a like for like replacement yet. Good as though geom is it just not as easy as zfs from an adminsistration point of view in my opinion. It may potentinally get a block checksum class but it will be a long time before its like for like. I have not really spent any quality time with ZFS, so I'm a little sketchy on the details. Is there anything the checksumming capabilities of ZFS do that cannot be duplicated with an external tool -- perhaps something like a filesystem integrity auditing system? I've had a play around with btrfs, which is supposed to be an opensource equivelent to zfs. It is far from ready yet though. It may mature into a good product in the future, but its a long way off and far from polished (dam horrible from what ive seen so far). Most of its development was backed by oracle though from what i have read, so who knows where that will go now. If oracle want to continue to push linux and it to have a decent fs, it may well just be easier for them to drop the licensing issues with cddl which was preventing zfs from making it into linux. Who knows but for anything in the near to medium future there is nothing to rival zfs on the opensource market. As far as I'm aware, btrfs has not been ported to any BSD Unix systems, either -- so there's a major downside to btrfs (as compared with ZFS). Having said all that it really depends on whether you need the extra features of zfs. Personally I cant see how anyone with any important data can do without checksuming. I guess that depends on what you're doing with the data and what kind of external tools you have in place to protect/duplicate it in case of a problem. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpXi4bBsOBXE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 08:02:39PM +, Bruce Cran wrote: On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 12:09:34 -0700 Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Yes, I would recommend that configuration also, because FreeBSD is much more lightweight of the two, so you don't impose the overhead of running Windows when all you need is FreeBSD. I'm not sure that's true, actually. FreeBSD by itself may be a lot more lightweight than Windows but once you add in Xorg and KDE I think it needs about the same, if not more, memory. People will argue that you don't have to run KDE or GNOME but as can be seen from the success of Ubuntu people like complete desktop environments. Well, there's your problem -- you're using Windows Lite (KDE). Anyway, it appears to be fairly reliably reported that KDE and (especially now) GNOME still run lighter than the whole MS Windows GUI, even if they're much heavier than other options. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgp6D3xoJmzGp.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ZFS License and Future
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 06:56:11PM +, krad wrote: this thread shouldnt be limited to just zfs really, dtrace is also affected by all the same licensing issues While we're at it, OpenOffice.org, MySQL, Solaris, Java, and VirtualBox are also entangled with Oracle. There may be others that escape my memory at this exact moment, too. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpiuw1ewKEDC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ZFS License and Future
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 01:20:39PM -0400, Chris Brennan wrote: On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) svein-listm...@stillbilde.net wrote: Chad, what are these attachments to your e-mail? My client keeps flagging your mail as questionable and I'm sandboxing it to make sure it's nothing bad :D I suppose they are the PGP signature? You could suppose that but I'm on a windows machine at the moment so not going to risk it and ... your attachment shows as a PGP Signature ... his didn't, just 'noname' for the file name That supposition is correct. I find it odd that someone else's signature is labeled as such and mine is not for you; for me, I see mine labeled as PGP signatures as well. I'm currently using GnuPG with Mutt; I don't know if that makes a difference. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpuJ8zvovgUB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ZFS License and Future
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 02:30:16PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: Having said all that it really depends on whether you need the extra features of zfs. Personally I cant see how anyone with any important data can do without checksuming. I guess that depends on what you're doing with the data and what kind of external tools you have in place to protect/duplicate it in case of a problem. The GEOM_ELI class provides optional authentication/checksumming. See geli(8), especially the -a option. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpXaW1NbA3TO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ssmtp - possible anomaly with SSL
I should port this wiki to @doc On Nov 6, 2010, at 9:30 AM, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 07:23:39AM -0400, Steven Friedrich wrote: I recently figured out how to send mail thru my ISP ID using ssmtp. I had previously only been using KMail, and I had it configured to use port 465 SSL LOGIN. I can send mail when I don't use port 465: mailhub=mail.InsightBB.com but if I add the port 465 a,d enable SSL with: UseTLS=YES then I use the -v switch and also -auFreeBSD -apPassword as in smtp -v -auFreeBSD -apPassword free...@insightbb.com and the messages all indicate success, but the mail never arrives. It does when I don't use SSL on port 465. KMail does work with SSL on port 465. I'm not entirely clear on what you're using as a mail user agent. Are you still using KMail as your MUA, but using ssmtp to send the emails to your SMTP server, or have you switched MUAs when you started using ssmtp? Chris Brennan suggested you send more information; in addition to answering my question, it might be useful to give us the information Chris requested -- but make sure you obscure any username/password information. If you reference my last e-mail, I posted my my working ssmtp.conf (for communicating w/ GMail/Google for Domains). If sSMTP is your only MTA, then using my example will get you up and running very quickly. You can also reference http://wiki.freebsd.org/SecureSSMTP on how to secure it (if this is a (semi-)public machine with more then one user on it. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS License and Future
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 01:20:39PM -0400, Chris Brennan wrote: On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) svein-listm...@stillbilde.net wrote: Chad, what are these attachments to your e-mail? My client keeps flagging your mail as questionable and I'm sandboxing it to make sure it's nothing bad :D I suppose they are the PGP signature? You could suppose that but I'm on a windows machine at the moment so not going to risk it and ... your attachment shows as a PGP Signature ... his didn't, just 'noname' for the file name That supposition is correct. I find it odd that someone else's signature is labeled as such and mine is not for you; for me, I see mine labeled as PGP signatures as well. I'm currently using GnuPG with Mutt; I don't know if that makes a difference. Shouldn't but just to be clear Chad's signature-attachement is claimed to be safe! And the answer is 42. Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ssmtp - possible anomaly with SSL
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Jason Helfman jhelf...@experts-exchange.com wrote: I should port this wiki to @doc if you need an extra pair of eyes, I shall provide mine and what little free time I may have. Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
Quoth Chad Perrin on Saturday, 06 November 2010: On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 08:02:39PM +, Bruce Cran wrote: On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 12:09:34 -0700 Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Yes, I would recommend that configuration also, because FreeBSD is much more lightweight of the two, so you don't impose the overhead of running Windows when all you need is FreeBSD. I'm not sure that's true, actually. FreeBSD by itself may be a lot more lightweight than Windows but once you add in Xorg and KDE I think it needs about the same, if not more, memory. People will argue that you don't have to run KDE or GNOME but as can be seen from the success of Ubuntu people like complete desktop environments. Well, there's your problem -- you're using Windows Lite (KDE). Anyway, it appears to be fairly reliably reported that KDE and (especially now) GNOME still run lighter than the whole MS Windows GUI, even if they're much heavier than other options. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] I'm using FBSD xith Xorg sans KDE or GNOME quite productively. And with everything running that I normally need, I use less than 1GB out of the 4GB available -- less than 300MB on boot. Windows 7 wants the a whole GB just to start up, or it's painfully slow. Actually, it's painfully slow anyway -- and furthermore it imposes that pain on guest OSes as well. What does KDE or GNOME buy you anyway? Besides overhead. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgpQ1riXd5Yvf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ZFS License and Future
Quoth Chad Perrin on Saturday, 06 November 2010: On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 06:56:11PM +, krad wrote: this thread shouldnt be limited to just zfs really, dtrace is also affected by all the same licensing issues While we're at it, OpenOffice.org, MySQL, Solaris, Java, and VirtualBox are also entangled with Oracle. There may be others that escape my memory at this exact moment, too. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] The one in that list that worries me the most is VirtualBox -- that's a truly useful solution that isn't easily replaced. But I read somewhere that there was a movement gaining steam to break off from Oracle. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgpvrWDljZhYm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.comwrote:
Quoth Chad Perrin on Saturday, 06 November 2010:
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 08:02:39PM +, Bruce Cran wrote:
On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 12:09:34 -0700
Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote:
Yes, I would recommend that configuration also, because FreeBSD is
much more lightweight of the two, so you don't impose the overhead of
running Windows when all you need is FreeBSD.
I'm not sure that's true, actually. FreeBSD by itself may be a lot more
lightweight than Windows but once you add in Xorg and KDE I think it
needs about the same, if not more, memory. People will argue that you
don't have to run KDE or GNOME but as can be seen from the success of
Ubuntu people like complete desktop environments.
Well, there's your problem -- you're using Windows Lite (KDE).
Anyway, it appears to be fairly reliably reported that KDE and
(especially now) GNOME still run lighter than the whole MS Windows GUI,
even if they're much heavier than other options.
--
Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]
I'm using FBSD xith Xorg sans KDE or GNOME quite productively. And with
everything running that I normally need, I use less than 1GB out of the
4GB available -- less than 300MB on boot. Windows 7 wants the a whole GB
just to start up, or it's painfully slow. Actually, it's painfully slow
anyway -- and furthermore it imposes that pain on guest OSes as well.
What does KDE or GNOME buy you anyway? Besides overhead.
Preference I use Gnome on occasion but I stick w/ {open|black|etc}box
because I'm more a minimalist then anything and I abhor desktop icons ...
even in windows, I turn them off.
--
Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F
http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com|
http://chipsquips.com
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Thinkpad R51 + xf86-video-intel-2.7.1_3 = lockup
Hello I aquired an R51 model 2887 recently. It has the latest BIOS and the video chipset is 855GM. I am getting the same problem as mentioned here http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=991679+1008170+/usr/local/www/db/text/2010/freebsd-questions/20100829.freebsd-questions and here http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=453703+0+/usr/local/www/db/text/2010/freebsd-questions/20100829.freebsd-questions Loading X (with/without -retro) causes the machine to lock up with a black screen. I have to press and hold the power button to turn the machine off and Xorg.0.log is empty on reboot. This occurs with xorg-7.5 and xf86-video-intel-2.7.1_3. With xorg_7.4_3 and xf86-video-intel-2.7.1_1 it works. Replacing the intel driver with vesa also works. Other things I have tried are: replace xf86-video-intel-2.7.1_3 in the xorg-7.5 setup with xf86-video-intel-2.7.1_1 from a package compiled with xorg_7.4_3 - works but lots of warnings of version mismatches when installing. compile xf86-video-intel-2.7.1_1 with xorg-7.5 - failed to compile. add Option AccelMethod EXA to xorg.conf (because xf86-video-intel-2.7.1_1 failed to compile with errors about uxa) - no effect. remove a second instance of screen, device etc in xorg.conf which gets set up by X -configure - no effect. One thing I haven't done is add Option UseSIGIO and Option NoTrapSignals to xorg.conf as they both have warnings which I didn't feel competent to deal with. I haven't included xorg.conf and dmesg as they are both virtually identical to the ones in the links above, but of course I can if required. OS is 8.1-R Any suggestions welcome. thanks Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS License and Future
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.comwrote: The one in that list that worries me the most is VirtualBox -- that's a truly useful solution that isn't easily replaced. But I read somewhere that there was a movement gaining steam to break off from Oracle. I agree, vBox is vital OOo3 has movement as well. See the following links http://www.documentfoundation.org/ http://www.documentfoundation.org/download/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument_Foundation -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Thinkpad R51 + xf86-video-intel-2.7.1_3 = lockup
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Chris Whitehouse cwhi...@onetel.com wrote: Hello I aquired an R51 model 2887 recently. It has the latest BIOS and the video chipset is 855GM. I am getting the same problem as mentioned here http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=991679+1008170+/usr/local/www/db/text/2010/freebsd-questions/20100829.freebsd-questions and here http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=453703+0+/usr/local/www/db/text/2010/freebsd-questions/20100829.freebsd-questions Loading X (with/without -retro) causes the machine to lock up with a black screen. I have to press and hold the power button to turn the machine off and Xorg.0.log is empty on reboot. This occurs with xorg-7.5 and xf86-video-intel-2.7.1_3. With xorg_7.4_3 and xf86-video-intel-2.7.1_1 it works. Replacing the intel driver with vesa also works. Other things I have tried are: replace xf86-video-intel-2.7.1_3 in the xorg-7.5 setup with xf86-video-intel-2.7.1_1 from a package compiled with xorg_7.4_3 - works but lots of warnings of version mismatches when installing. compile xf86-video-intel-2.7.1_1 with xorg-7.5 - failed to compile. add Option AccelMethod EXA to xorg.conf (because xf86-video-intel-2.7.1_1 failed to compile with errors about uxa) - no effect. remove a second instance of screen, device etc in xorg.conf which gets set up by X -configure - no effect. One thing I haven't done is add Option UseSIGIO and Option NoTrapSignals to xorg.conf as they both have warnings which I didn't feel competent to deal with. I haven't included xorg.conf and dmesg as they are both virtually identical to the ones in the links above, but of course I can if required. OS is 8.1-R Any suggestions welcome. thanks Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Installed from packages or Ports? Are you mixing the two? (I would hope not.) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
[2nd try] OpenGL 3.3 and 4.0/4.1 for FreeBSD?
Sorry to repeat my question: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2010-November/223379.html but I got no replies at all. Anyone with accelerated 3D on FreeBSD out there using binary drivers and the new OpenGL APIs? Some practical recommendations as to GPUs and drivers? Pointers? Hints? TIA, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS License and Future
App Deb appde...@gmail.com!appdebgr@agora.rdrop.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Steven Susbauer ste...@too1337.com wrote: Sun was able to successfully sue Microsoft for similar reasons in 1997 (incomplete implementation of the Java standard). If I remember correctly, the Microsoft Java VM was abandoned because of this and everyone had to switch to the Sun one. My understanding was that M$ did not abandon their engine, but they had to quit calling it Java(TM). Didn't they just rename it to .Net? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
8.1R buildworld failing in cc1 on amd64
I'm running FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p1 on a Phenom II. I'm trying to rebuild world as a load test. However it keeps failing at the same spot while compiling cc1. I'm not using -j or any other flag, just a simple make buildworld. I've rm -rf /usr/src/* /usr/obj/* and re-cvsup'd the whole tree twice (from cvsup6 and cvsup3). This is tag=RELENG_8_1, so I really wouldn't expect compile issues, but that's what it seems to be.I'm asking here to see if there's something I might be over looking, if not I'll run it over to bugs. Any other things I should be trying? -Jed fbsdam3# uname -a FreeBSD fbsdam3.my.domain 8.1-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p1 #1: Sat Oct 16 21:23:09 EDT 2010 r...@fbsdam3.my.domain:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/AM3 amd64 fbsdam3# which gcc /usr/bin/gcc fbsdam3# gcc --version gcc (GCC) 4.2.1 20070719 [FreeBSD] Copyright (C) 2007 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Last bit of output from make buildworld: === gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1 (all) cc -O2 -pipe -DIN_GCC -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DPREFIX=\/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr\ -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../cc_tools -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../cc_tools -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../../contrib/gcc -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../../contrib/gcc/config -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/include -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/libcpp/include -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/libdecnumber -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/include -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../../contrib/gcc/main.c cc -O2 -pipe -DIN_GCC -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DPREFIX=\/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr\ -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../cc_tools -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../cc_tools -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../../contrib/gcc -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../../contrib/gcc/config -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/include -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/libcpp/include -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/libdecnumber -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/include -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../../contrib/gcc/c-parser.c rib/gcclibs/libdecnumber -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/include -static -L/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/lib -o cc1-dummy main.o c-parser.o c-lang.o /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../cc_int/libbackend.a /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../libcpp/libcpp.a /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../libdecnumber/libdecnumber.a /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../libiberty/libiberty.a -legacy /usr/bin/ld: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../cc_int/libbackend.a(fold-const.o)(.text+0x808f6e): reloc against `integer_zerop': error 2 *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. fbsdam3# ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Thinkpad R51 + xf86-video-intel-2.7.1_3 = lockup
On 11/06/10 23:12, Chris Brennan wrote: On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Chris Whitehousecwhi...@onetel.com wrote: Hello I aquired an R51 model 2887 recently. It has the latest BIOS and the video chipset is 855GM. I am getting the same problem as mentioned here http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=991679+1008170+/usr/local/www/db/text/2010/freebsd-questions/20100829.freebsd-questions and here http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=453703+0+/usr/local/www/db/text/2010/freebsd-questions/20100829.freebsd-questions Loading X (with/without -retro) causes the machine to lock up with a black screen. I have to press and hold the power button to turn the machine off and Xorg.0.log is empty on reboot. This occurs with xorg-7.5 and xf86-video-intel-2.7.1_3. With xorg_7.4_3 and xf86-video-intel-2.7.1_1 it works. Replacing the intel driver with vesa also works. Other things I have tried are: replace xf86-video-intel-2.7.1_3 in the xorg-7.5 setup with xf86-video-intel-2.7.1_1 from a package compiled with xorg_7.4_3 - works but lots of warnings of version mismatches when installing. compile xf86-video-intel-2.7.1_1 with xorg-7.5 - failed to compile. add Option AccelMethod EXA to xorg.conf (because xf86-video-intel-2.7.1_1 failed to compile with errors about uxa) - no effect. remove a second instance of screen, device etc in xorg.conf which gets set up by X -configure - no effect. One thing I haven't done is add Option UseSIGIO and Option NoTrapSignals to xorg.conf as they both have warnings which I didn't feel competent to deal with. I haven't included xorg.conf and dmesg as they are both virtually identical to the ones in the links above, but of course I can if required. OS is 8.1-R Any suggestions welcome. thanks Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Installed from packages or Ports? Are you mixing the two? (I would hope All installed from packages. The packages are from two different builds in a tinderbox with two different sets of ports. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Is Intel Core I7 930 2.80 Ghz as good or better option than AMD
I've always been an AMD fan but am getting the idea that they are loosing their edge. So my question if the Intel Core I7 930 2.80 Ghz is as good and option or is their a better AMD at a similar o cheaper price? I plan to install this in a GigaByte GA-X58A/UD7 motherboard with 6 Gb in a Cosmos-S Cooler Master cabinet with extra fans and Cooler Master 600w power supply. You've apparently already made your choice, as that MB is only socketed for a certain family of Intel CPUs. The days of pin compatible Intel and AMD CPUs are long gone. However if the MB decision is still open, there are many web sites that do comparisons. Tom's Hardware comes to mind. Anandtech is another. Personally, I go with AMD. But it's more of a habit than anything technical. -Jed___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Is Intel Core I7 930 2.80 Ghz as good or better option than AMD
2010/11/6 C. Bergström cbergst...@pathscale.com: eculp wrote: I've always been an AMD fan but am getting the idea that they are loosing their edge. So my question if the Intel Core I7 930 2.80 Ghz is as good and option or is their a better AMD at a similar o cheaper price? I plan to install this in a GigaByte GA-X58A/UD7 motherboard with 6 Gb in a Cosmos-S Cooler Master cabinet with extra fans and Cooler Master 600w power supply. Any comments appreciated. Please copy me on your answers. What will you be doing with it? Will you actually be running FBSD on it and what sort of applications? You're talking about value here, but who is going to do the research for you.. So please don't be lazy and pick an exact AMD processor you're looking at.. (most likely Istanbul/Magny-cours) I'm doing my own research and trying to find a machine that is available here at a reasonable price. For the last few years all my machines have been AMD but I found the above using Intel Core I7 930 at a tolerable price. I haven't found an AMD that meets my requirements, YET and if this is a good procesor I will probably not look any more. Yes, I will be running FreeBSD on it (8.0 or 9.0). Is there another option;) I've been using it for almost 15 years if I remember right. Principal Apps: Apache Mysql ldap PHP Courier bind I've not noticed any comments on the 4 core Intel I7. Thanks for asking, ed P.S. I am registered on questions with both email addresses but the one that is activated in gmail and I didn't remember until I got this. Sorry for any confusion. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [2nd try] OpenGL 3.3 and 4.0/4.1 for FreeBSD?
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 7:34 PM, C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: Sorry to repeat my question: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2010-November/223379.html but I got no replies at all. Anyone with accelerated 3D on FreeBSD out there using binary drivers and the new OpenGL APIs? Some practical recommendations as to GPUs and drivers? Pointers? Hints? TIA, -cpghost. I'm using the binary driver (out of ports) for my nVidia chipset video card, works fine so far, but I am not doing anything fancy yet. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS License and Future
Chip == Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com writes: Chip The one in that list that worries me the most is VirtualBox -- that's a Chip truly useful solution that isn't easily replaced. But I read somewhere Chip that there was a movement gaining steam to break off from Oracle. When I interviewed the VirtualBox guys for FLOSS Weekly (http://twit.tv/floss130), they seemed pretty confident that Oracle was going to keep fairly hands off, in a way that was starkly contrasted with some of the other former-Sun project leaders I've spoken to. (Ugh, too early to fix the tortured english... I hope you get the point.) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 mer...@stonehenge.com URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS License and Future
Chad == Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com writes: Chad I have not really spent any quality time with ZFS, so I'm a little Chad sketchy on the details. Is there anything the checksumming capabilities Chad of ZFS do that cannot be duplicated with an external tool -- perhaps Chad something like a filesystem integrity auditing system? How would that external tool work to (a) detect the bad block during its access to prevent bad data from being returned to the user and (b) enable the swapping of bad data with a good spare copy if available? Nope... it's got to be in the kernel. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 mer...@stonehenge.com URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS License and Future
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 8:00 PM, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: App Deb appde...@gmail.com!appdebgr@agora.rdrop.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Steven Susbauer ste...@too1337.com wrote: Sun was able to successfully sue Microsoft for similar reasons in 1997 (incomplete implementation of the Java standard). If I remember correctly, the Microsoft Java VM was abandoned because of this and everyone had to switch to the Sun one. My understanding was that M$ did not abandon their engine, but they had to quit calling it Java(TM). Didn't they just rename it to .Net? .NET is C# not java... or at least that's what I've been lead to believe in more then one book on the subject. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
restart virtualbox
i intall virturl box like this: # cd /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox # make install clean # cd /boot /modules/*however i forgot do this commander # ls vbox* /*i also forgot vboxdrv.ko vboxnetadp.ko vboxnetflt.ko # echo 'vboxdrv_load=yes' /boot/loader.conf # echo 'ng_ether_load=yes' /boot/loader.conf # echo 'ng_ether_load=yes' /boot/loader.conf # cat /boot/loader.conf vboxdrv_load=yes vboxnetflt_load=yes ng_ether_load=yes after i restart bsd auto restart ! i think it caused by i made a mistake on loader.conf but i don't know how to do now i can't get in the system to change the /boot/loader.conf thank you ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS License and Future
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 05:00:53PM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: App Deb appde...@gmail.com!appdebgr@agora.rdrop.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Steven Susbauer ste...@too1337.com wrote: Sun was able to successfully sue Microsoft for similar reasons in 1997 (incomplete implementation of the Java standard). If I remember correctly, the Microsoft Java VM was abandoned because of this and everyone had to switch to the Sun one. My understanding was that M$ did not abandon their engine, but they had to quit calling it Java(TM). Didn't they just rename it to .Net? Some of the technology may have made it into the .NET framework, and C# may in some respects be quite similar to Java, but .NET is most certainly not Java. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpmYp8be6Xgk.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ZFS License and Future
On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 07:09:57PM -0400, Chris Brennan wrote: On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.comwrote: The one in that list that worries me the most is VirtualBox -- that's a truly useful solution that isn't easily replaced. But I read somewhere that there was a movement gaining steam to break off from Oracle. I agree, vBox is vital OOo3 has movement as well. See the following links http://www.documentfoundation.org/ http://www.documentfoundation.org/download/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument_Foundation Yes, there are already forks underway -- such as LibreOffice (OO.o fork), MariaDB (MySQL fork), and so on. We'll see whether they end up subject to expensive lawsuits as a result. I haven't read your links yet, but I'll probably get to it tomorrow. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpsdU57ahHxn.pgp Description: PGP signature
