gptboot: invalid GPT backup header on soekris net5501
Hello, I formatted a ssd with the following procedure: gpart create -s gpt ad0 gpart add -t freebsd-boot -l sboot -s 64K ad0 gpart bootcode -b /mnt/boot/pmbr -p /mnt/boot/gptboot -i 1 ad0 gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -l sroot -b 2048 -s 1G ad0 gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -l svar -s 1G ad0 gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -l susr ad0 newfs -b 32768 -f 4096 -L root /dev/ad0p2 newfs -U -b 32768 -f 4096 -L var /dev/ad0p3 newfs -U -b 32768 -f 4096 -L usr /dev/ad0p4 After installing FreeBSD 8.2 the system (a soekris net5501) hangs on boot with gptboot: invalid GPT backup header . I'm not sure if this is a hardware problem or if I make a mistake during the setup. What is the cause of the error message? Many thanks Matthias ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
about NKPT on amd64
Hi, Alan I'm study the Revision 187465 : Prepare for a larger kernel virtual address space. After read some relative source code, I have an question about the macro NKPT on amd64: why 32 is enough for the kernel page table pages? Do it means that the range (KERNBASE, virtual_avail) should always less than 64MB( 32 * 2MB)? -- 别做梦,你已24岁了 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
xorg on Toshiba Tecra A1 freebsd senseless
Xorg -configure Xorg -config xorg.conf.new After doing that on Toshiba Tecra A1 FreeBSD 8.2 Stable. FreeBSD totally hanged + hard boot few times. Hence stressing and fdisking with y option every try. Any one suceeded rinning X on Toshiba Tecra A1? - jahan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 02:09:17AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:56:14 -0700, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Polytropon on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: T: (a deep sigh while rolling his eyes) No, that's not the fuel, that's the tachometer. It is supposed to point at zero if the car is not started. The fuel indicator is usually to the left and smaller that the tachometer, and it should have E written upon it, then a semicircle, then F. And on a VW, it doesn't say E and F -- it says 0/1 and 1/1. That's okay - as long as it doesn't say 1/0 which would cause the operating system of the car to crash, and you have to send the onboard computer unit to VW Germany in order to get it replaced. :-) We were speaking in analogies here, where the car *is* the operating system -- so I think if it said 1/0 it would be more accurate to say the car would crash. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpGQUXGi6Omc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
Quoth Chad Perrin on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 02:09:17AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:56:14 -0700, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Polytropon on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: T: (a deep sigh while rolling his eyes) No, that's not the fuel, that's the tachometer. It is supposed to point at zero if the car is not started. The fuel indicator is usually to the left and smaller that the tachometer, and it should have E written upon it, then a semicircle, then F. And on a VW, it doesn't say E and F -- it says 0/1 and 1/1. That's okay - as long as it doesn't say 1/0 which would cause the operating system of the car to crash, and you have to send the onboard computer unit to VW Germany in order to get it replaced. :-) We were speaking in analogies here, where the car *is* the operating system -- so I think if it said 1/0 it would be more accurate to say the car would crash. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] It's uncertain whether the car would crash, or run infinitely. -- .o. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com ..o | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com ooo | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com pgpb6c1QEYGxZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 02:45:27PM -0500, Jason Hsu wrote: I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word processing, etc.). A word of caution -- as you have probably noticed in responses already: FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD (the most well-known three BSD Unix systems) are each developed as complete OSes, from kernel through userland. This is different from how Linux-based systems are developed, where the kernel is its own, completely separate project, and people collect software that they think go well with that kernel into a distribution package. That distribution package comprises an OS, but the OS developers in this case are often more like kit assemblers rather than software developers (though there's usually a lot of software development involved in ensuring everything gets integrated into a smoothly working whole, too). These OSes in the Linux world are typically called Linux distributions, or distros for short. This means that, for instance, Mint is a Linux distro. By contrast, FreeBSD is not a distro of any particular project; it *is* the project. Both Mint and FreeBSD are operating systems, but Linux is just a kernel. FreeBSD is a BSD Unix operating system because it is an OS descended from the original BSD Unix. Mint is a Linux distribution, because it is an OS assembled as a software distribution package based on Linux. The term BSD itself stands for Berkeley Software Distribution, because BSD Unix was originally a software distribution package based on a UNIX foundation, assembled to a substantial degree by Bill Joy. The current BSD Unix systems, however, have departed from that model; the development of the software that makes up the core OS is no longer a distribution of software developed separately and collected into a smoothly-working whole. In each of the major BSD Unix software projects, the OS is now developed as a cohesive whole, each separately from the others (though they do share code a fair bit). The BSD in FreeBSD is there for historical purposes, rather than because Berkeley or Distribution is in any way particularly accurate or relevant now. As such, you may encounter some poorly specified, potentially confusing statements that BSD has no distros or something like that. Hopefully this explanation will help clear up any confusion you may encounter. But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me. It would take too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking. I couldn't figure out what to enter in GRUB to multi-boot Linux and BSD. I tried PC-BSD, GhostBSD, and DragonflyBSD in VirtualBox. I've found PC-BSD agonizingly slow to install and operate, and KDE didn't even boot up when I logged in. GhostBSD has too many things that don't work, such as the keyboard on my laptop and my Internet connection on my desktop. DragonflyBSD didn't boot up in Virtualbox. Perhaps if you could tell us where you encountered problems, when you tried to configure FreeBSD to [your] liking, we could point out some different ways of doing things that would get you from zero to functional OS in relatively short order. I occasionally give PC-BSD a try, to see how suitable it is to recommending for people who just want to avoid the Microsoft taxes (including antivirus subscriptions, et cetera). My impression is that it is much like Ubuntu, in that it interferes with my ability to get things done. I guess I'm the wrong person to ask about something like that. It is possible that some of the problems you have had with various BSD Unix flavors is related to the fact you are trying to run them all in a virtual machine. Abstracting the hardware away from the OS might introduce difficulties in getting everything working properly. You might be better served by installing something on bare metal -- directly on the hard drive -- if you have a machine you can spare for that purpose. I recommend Linux Mint as a first Linux distro. It's user-friendly, well-established, widely used, includes codecs/drivers that Ubuntu doesn't, and has a Windows-like user interface. For those with older computers, I recommend Puppy Linux or antiX Linux as a first distro. I'm looking for the analogous choice in the BSD world. PC-BSD is pretty much the analogous choice for BSD Unix based systems, I think. It is possible that many of PC-BSD's problems relate to its use of KDE4; I'm not really sure. It is possible to install a different desktop environment or window manager and use that instead, though. That might relieve some of the difficulties you have with it. So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop BSD distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica Chicken of the Sea Simpson can handle it? The sad truth seems to be that, unless someone else sets up the computer in advance, some vapid media whore like Paris Hilton or
Re: Unable to update to kde-4.6.1
try uninstalling cmake cd /usr/ports/devel/cmake make deinstall make install clean -jahan On 3/27/11, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: After following the instructions in UPDATING, I am still experiencing a problem getting KDE-4 updated. I have tried several different methods. The following is the output of the last attempt. === kde4-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/kde4/bin/kdebugdialog - not found ===Verifying install for /usr/local/kde4/bin/kdebugdialog in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase4-runtime === Vulnerability check disabled, database not found === License check disabled, port has not defined LICENSE === Found saved configuration for kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 === Extracting for kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 = SHA256 Checksum OK for KDE/kdebase-runtime-4.6.1.tar.bz2. /bin/mkdir -p /usr/ports/x11/kdebase4-runtime/work/kdebase-runtime-4.6.1/build === Patching for kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 === Applying FreeBSD patches for kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 === kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/libssh.so - found === kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on executable: gmake - found === kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtCore.so - found === kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtDBus.so - found === kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/moc-qt4 - found === kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/qt4/libQtOpenGL.so - found === kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/qt4/libphonon.so - found === kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/qmake-qt4 - found === kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/rcc - found === kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/uic-qt4 - found === kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/automoc4 - found === kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/cmake - found === kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: IlmImf.6 - found === kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: exiv2.9 - found === kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: xine.1 - found === kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: slp.1 - found === kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: smbclient.0 - found === kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: ssh.4 - found === kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: attica.0 - found === kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: pulse.0 - found === kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: canberra.0 - found === kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: intl - found === kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 depends on shared library: kimproxy.5 - found === Configuring for kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 /bin/mkdir -p /usr/ports/x11/kdebase4-runtime/work/kdebase-runtime-4.6.1/build -- The C compiler identification is GNU -- The CXX compiler identification is GNU -- Check for working C compiler: /usr/bin/cc -- Check for working C compiler: /usr/bin/cc -- works -- Detecting C compiler ABI info -- Detecting C compiler ABI info - done -- Check for working CXX compiler: /usr/bin/c++ -- Check for working CXX compiler: /usr/bin/c++ -- works -- Detecting CXX compiler ABI info -- Detecting CXX compiler ABI info - done CMake Error at /usr/local/share/cmake/Modules/FindKDE4.cmake:98 (MESSAGE): ERROR: cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake not found in Call Stack (most recent call first): CMakeLists.txt:14 (find_package) CMake Warning (dev) in CMakeLists.txt: No cmake_minimum_required command is present. A line of code such as cmake_minimum_required(VERSION 2.8) should be added at the top of the file. The version specified may be lower if you wish to support older CMake versions for this project. For more information run cmake --help-policy CMP. This warning is for project developers. Use -Wno-dev to suppress it. -- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred! *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase4-runtime. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kde4. -- Jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: about NKPT on amd64
On 03/30/2011 01:47, fuzhli wrote: Hi, Alan I'm study the Revision 187465 : Prepare for a larger kernel virtual address space. After read some relative source code, I have an question about the macro NKPT on amd64: why 32 is enough for the kernel page table pages? Do it means that the range (KERNBASE, virtual_avail) should always less than 64MB( 32 * 2MB)? NKPT sets the size of the kernel page table during the earliest part of the kernel's initialization. After that, the size of the page table grows dynamically according to usage. Regards, Alan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Easiest desktop BSD distro
When I find things in FreeBSD difficult to accomplish (eg. first time upgrading world kernel from source) I reflect on something I read I think in the introduction to 'Learning Perl' which applies equally to FreeBSD. If there is a choice between making things easy to learn and easy to use, the design principle is to make it easy to use - even if that comes at the cost of a steeper learning curve. Once you've scaled the learning curve, you will appreciate how easy it is to achieve things with FreeBSD compared to other OS which attempt to make things 'easy' for you (wireless networking springs to mind - in my experience if Windows can't do it 'automagically' then you haven't a hope in hell of finding out what's wrong and fixing it). So the easiest BSD? Any of them, if you're prepared to invest the time learning it. -- Peter Harrison www.4harrisons.blogspot.com -original message- Subject: Easiest desktop BSD distro From: Jason Hsu jhsu802...@jasonhsu.com Date: 29/03/2011 21:14 I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word processing, etc.). But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me. It would take too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking. I couldn't figure out what to enter in GRUB to multi-boot Linux and BSD. I tried PC-BSD, GhostBSD, and DragonflyBSD in VirtualBox. I've found PC-BSD agonizingly slow to install and operate, and KDE didn't even boot up when I logged in. GhostBSD has too many things that don't work, such as the keyboard on my laptop and my Internet connection on my desktop. DragonflyBSD didn't boot up in Virtualbox. I recommend Linux Mint as a first Linux distro. It's user-friendly, well-established, widely used, includes codecs/drivers that Ubuntu doesn't, and has a Windows-like user interface. For those with older computers, I recommend Puppy Linux or antiX Linux as a first distro. I'm looking for the analogous choice in the BSD world. So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop BSD distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica Chicken of the Sea Simpson can handle it? Please keep in mind that I have a slow Internet connection, and these BSD distros are ENORMOUS. It took some 12-14 hours to download PC-BSD. -- Jason Hsu jhsu802...@jasonhsu.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
--On March 30, 2011 9:49:02 AM -0600 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 02:45:27PM -0500, Jason Hsu wrote: I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word processing, etc.). A word of caution -- as you have probably noticed in responses already: What a delightful answer. I especially liked As vi is to Notepad, so FreeBSD is to Ubuntu or Mint, I think; My compliments on a job very well done. -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. *** It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead. Thomas Jefferson There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them. George Orwell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:32:29 -0700 (PDT) four.harris...@googlemail.com four.harris...@googlemail.com articulated: Once you've scaled the learning curve, you will appreciate how easy it is to achieve things with FreeBSD compared to other OS which attempt to make things 'easy' for you (wireless networking springs to mind - in my experience if Windows can't do it 'automagically' then you haven't a hope in hell of finding out what's wrong and fixing it). You have conveniently left out the part that if the OS does not have a driver for the wireless card, specifically N protocol cards, then you haven't any hope of getting it to work, period. In any case, the easiest way to get any wireless card to work in Windows, at least up to Win-7, was to deactivate the Windows wireless utility and use the one that accompanies the device, assuming that it does come with a configuration utility. I have not seen any of the top rated ones that did not. If for some reason that did not work, you could still manually enter any of the specific information manually, assuming that you actually took the time to learn (where did I here that term before) how to accomplish it. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ In an orderly world, there's always a place for the disorderly. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
If there is a choice between making things easy to learn and easy to use, the design principle is to make it easy to use - even if that comes at the cost of a steeper learning curve. And you can always create easy-to-learn GUI-based tool that works on the top of low-level tools. BTW Microsoft came to this idea too (see MinWin) So the easiest BSD? Any of them, if you're prepared to invest the time learning it. FreeBSD probably is the easiest to study in all BSD family because it has a really good handbook. But for people with *nix background (like linux) any BSD should not be difficult. -- Peter Harrison www.4harrisons.blogspot.com -original message- Subject: Easiest desktop BSD distro From: Jason Hsu jhsu802...@jasonhsu.com Date: 29/03/2011 21:14 I want to learn BSD. I find that the best way to familiarize myself with a distro is to adopt it as my main distro (for web browsing, email, word processing, etc.). But the challenge of BSD have so far proven too much for me. It would take too long to configure FreeBSD to my liking. I couldn't figure out what to enter in GRUB to multi-boot Linux and BSD. I tried PC-BSD, GhostBSD, and DragonflyBSD in VirtualBox. I've found PC-BSD agonizingly slow to install and operate, and KDE didn't even boot up when I logged in. GhostBSD has too many things that don't work, such as the keyboard on my laptop and my Internet connection on my desktop. DragonflyBSD didn't boot up in Virtualbox. I recommend Linux Mint as a first Linux distro. It's user-friendly, well-established, widely used, includes codecs/drivers that Ubuntu doesn't, and has a Windows-like user interface. For those with older computers, I recommend Puppy Linux or antiX Linux as a first distro. I'm looking for the analogous choice in the BSD world. So what do you recommend as my first desktop BSD distro? What desktop BSD distro is so easy to use that even Paris Hilton or Jessica Chicken of the Sea Simpson can handle it? Please keep in mind that I have a slow Internet connection, and these BSD distros are ENORMOUS. It took some 12-14 hours to download PC-BSD. -- Jason Hsu jhsu802...@jasonhsu.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
I only know FreeBSD so I can't recommend any other BSD as being easier. And I don't use a windowing system on it. But I've an answer to a question you didn't ask: FreeBSD in VirtualBox a convenient way of learning. It saves a lot of uninteresting messing around. And it allows me to save my project (by saving VM state), get on with some other work and come back to it later. Regarding your problems with internet speed, I think you can download one of the small FreeBSD images, run that and instruct the FreeBSD install program to get the files via FTP. Configure the installer to install only the set of OS parts you want. That should save a lot of download relative to the ISO images that contain everything. I've never done this but I expect others can help if you run into difficulty. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: how to enforce password change at first login
On 30/03/2011 06:19, Yuri Pankov wrote: Something like: # pw usermodusername -p -1 Thanks a lot, exactly what I was looking for. Michael ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
Polytropon wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:56:14 -0700, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Polytropon on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: T: (a deep sigh while rolling his eyes) No, that's not the fuel, that's the tachometer. It is supposed to point at zero if the car is not started. The fuel indicator is usually to the left and smaller that the tachometer, and it should have E written upon it, then a semicircle, then F. And on a VW, it doesn't say E and F -- it says 0/1 and 1/1. That's okay - as long as it doesn't say 1/0 which would cause the operating system of the car to crash, and you have to send the onboard computer unit to VW Germany in order to get it replaced. :-) Aloha Poly, Your replies are the funniest ever on the list. Make me smile. Have a great day. -- ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: xorg on Toshiba Tecra A1 freebsd senseless
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 01:32:32PM +, Aftab Jahan Subedar wrote: Xorg -configure Xorg -config xorg.conf.new After doing that on Toshiba Tecra A1 FreeBSD 8.2 Stable. FreeBSD totally hanged + hard boot few times. Hence stressing and fdisking with y option every try. Any one suceeded rinning X on Toshiba Tecra A1? Maybe of no relevance, but I think the default for Xorg -config xorg.conf.new is to show blank screen. You have to type CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE to get back to the terminal. -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Polytropon on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: T: (a deep sigh while rolling his eyes) No, that's not the fuel, that's the tachometer. It is supposed to point at zero if the car is not started. The fuel indicator is usually to the left and smaller that the tachometer, and it should have E written upon it, then a semicircle, then F. And on a VW, it doesn't say E and F -- it says 0/1 and 1/1. On a lot of the older VWs (and Mercedes cars, as well) it says R and 1/1. The R supposedly stood for reserve. I had a Saab for a while that went from 0 to 1, and the middle of the 0 lit up when fuel was low. User interface inconsistencies between cars are actually quite rampant, as anyone who's ever sat down in a rental car and tried to figure out how to turn on the windshield wipers can attest. ;) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Gui CD soft recommend
Which GUI CD writing software can you recommend [less dependencies = better] Thanks! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: xorg on Toshiba Tecra A1 freebsd senseless
On Wed, 30 Mar 2011, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: Maybe of no relevance, but I think the default for Xorg -config xorg.conf.new is to show blank screen. You have to type CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE to get back to the terminal. Depending on key mapping, that may not work. But ctrl-alt-f1 to switch back to a console should. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Gui CD soft recommend
On Wed, 2011-03-30 at 22:00 +0100, Graham Bentley wrote: Which GUI CD writing software can you recommend [less dependencies = better] Depends on what you want to write. I find that Gnome has pretty good built-in support (both for writing ISO's and dysjoint files/directories). -- Cheers, Devin Teske - FUN STUFF - -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version 3.12 GAT/CS/B/CC/E/IT/MC/M/MU/P/S/TW d+(++) s: a- C+++@$ UB$ P@$ L $ E- W+++ N? o? K? w@ O M++$ V- PS+++ PE@ Y+ PGP- t(+) 5? X(+) R(-) tv+ b +++ DI+ D+(++) G++ e h r+++ z+++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- Learn about the Geek Code: http://www.geekcode.com/ - LEGAL DISCLAIMER - This message contains confidential and proprietary information of the sender, and is intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by any other person is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the e-mail sender immediately, and delete the original message without making a copy. - END TRANSMISSION - ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: xorg on Toshiba Tecra A1 freebsd senseless
Its confirmed dead with 20 - 60 blocks un referenced i nodes in HDD. I had to fsck -y using option 4 from boot menu ( the single user mode). And I thing as Unix it should not be able to that right? Its happening tried this that etc. In the process I found that doing Xorg -config xorg.conf.new -showopts this also kills the machine. I kept a ssh login from outside to be able to reboot but it disconnects me also and hangs, gave 3+ minutes to come back to senses but did not. Anyway this is my conclusion: -- Only one driver is recognized intel display driver card0 and card1 -- Dies when reaches ATI load -- Deleted all but intel vesa -- keyboard did not recognize -- touchpad synaptics did not recognize -- hald did not complain a word about touchpad/keyboard but recognizes both in text mode You all dont waste time researching on it, unless someone has succeeded with this Tecra A1. If you all interested to invest some time on it I can connect it online but u all got email me. -- Jahan On 3/30/11, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Wed, 30 Mar 2011, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: Maybe of no relevance, but I think the default for Xorg -config xorg.conf.new is to show blank screen. You have to type CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE to get back to the terminal. Depending on key mapping, that may not work. But ctrl-alt-f1 to switch back to a console should. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
Allow me to add something here: On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:49:55 -0400, Tom Worster f...@thefsb.org wrote: FreeBSD in VirtualBox a convenient way of learning. It saves a lot of uninteresting messing around. And it allows me to save my project (by saving VM state), get on with some other work and come back to it later. There is a project called VirtualBSD that developed a FreeBSD system image that can be used with VirtualBox. It is a preinstalled and preconfigured OS + applications comparable to PC-BSD, but it uses Xfce instead of KDE, and (in my opinion) it looks much better. :-) Project homepage: http://www.virtualbsd.info/ Screenshots: http://www.virtualbsd.info/screenshots/ Downloads: http://www.virtualbsd.info/download.html In order to download the 1.3 GB image, you can easily install e. g. the ctorrent program from ports, download the torrent file from the web page mentioned above, and then let ctorrent get the file. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:12:23 -0400, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:32:29 -0700 (PDT) four.harris...@googlemail.com four.harris...@googlemail.com articulated: Once you've scaled the learning curve, you will appreciate how easy it is to achieve things with FreeBSD compared to other OS which attempt to make things 'easy' for you (wireless networking springs to mind - in my experience if Windows can't do it 'automagically' then you haven't a hope in hell of finding out what's wrong and fixing it). You have conveniently left out the part that if the OS does not have a driver for the wireless card, specifically N protocol cards, then you haven't any hope of getting it to work, period. Although this is correct, you're concluding the wrong thing, in my opinion. In any case, the easiest way to get any wireless card to work in Windows, at least up to Win-7, was to deactivate the Windows wireless utility and use the one that accompanies the device, assuming that it does come with a configuration utility. I have not seen any of the top rated ones that did not. If for some reason that did not work, you could still manually enter any of the specific information manually, assuming that you actually took the time to learn (where did I here that term before) how to accomplish it. So what are you doing, basically? You're taking the operating system's responsibility to interact with hardware. I know there are different approaches. One approach is to let the system interface with hardware, usually by its kernel and the corresponding (loadable) modules. A different approach is to use drivers to do that. Those drivers traditionally come from the same source as the hardware comes. Advantage: The hardware vendor doesn't have to pay attention to existing standards. He just has to made sure that his driver works with the system - depending on his target audience, this may be only one special system (version) in particular. You furthermore suggested to explicitely BYPASS the system's means of accessing hardware and to rely on what the hardware vendor provided. If you haven't lost control by the OS choice yet, you have lost it by the driver. If you don't care for having control about who plays foul with your system (which you can't either notice or even test for), also fine. Dealing with black boxes is what the main target customers of the home PC area are used to. They accept it as being normal. They don't know that there are different ways of doing things. And: As long as everything works as intended - no problems. But diagnosing and SOLVING problems - the not easy parts of the story - you are lost without knowledge and proper tools, and basic skills, of course. And if something doesn't work, the typical customer does not try to solve the problem. If he doesn't delegate it, he buys something different and tries again. Trial error, if you want. And it's not even a financial problem as such hardware costs nearly less than nothing. The targeted customers have been trained to think the following: If I invest time in getting this working, I loose money. Instead of doing that, I invest money into a different product which hopefully will work. What does it imply? If the Windows can't bring up the wireless network, the manufacturer has to do it using his black box driver. If this also doesn't work (maybe because the driver is not compatible to the Windows), the product gets discarded, and a new one is bought. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 08:45:23AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Chad Perrin on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: We were speaking in analogies here, where the car *is* the operating system -- so I think if it said 1/0 it would be more accurate to say the car would crash. It's uncertain whether the car would crash, or run infinitely. Mathematically, that seems to be the case, but implementations tend to result in crashy behavior -- or, quite often, raise exceptions. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpYzNSB85upw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:41:54 -0600, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 08:45:23AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Chad Perrin on Wednesday, 30 March 2011: We were speaking in analogies here, where the car *is* the operating system -- so I think if it said 1/0 it would be more accurate to say the car would crash. It's uncertain whether the car would crash, or run infinitely. Mathematically, that seems to be the case, but implementations tend to result in crashy behavior -- or, quite often, raise exceptions. We're talking about a car. It doesn't raise exceptions, it simply explodes! :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Gui CD soft recommend
On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:00:14 +0100, Graham Bentley ad...@cpcnw.co.uk wrote: Which GUI CD writing software can you recommend [less dependencies = better] I don't know of a stand-alone GUI program, but all the big desktop environments have a favourite. The one provided by Gnome should work quite well, but if you're already using KDE, use the tools that come with it. I think the Xfce file manager also comes with the respective functionalities. In how far they depend on command line tools, I'm not sure. But in the realm of dependencies, those should be the smallest problem. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kern.geom.journal.stats.low_mem refers to what?
I've recently set up gjournal on top of gmirror on FreeBSD 8.2. I understand that this setup has a lot of redundant writing. It is working, but I'm not sure I've set it up as efficiently as I should. During prolonged writes, such as copying large files to the file system across the network or producing very large logfiles, the low_mem and skipped_bytes statisics rise rapidly and the system becomes less responsive. top always reports free memory, so I don't think that's the issue. journal_full and wait_for_copy have never occurred. Here's a sample of what happens after a couple hours of intense writing... kern.geom.journal.stats.low_mem: 5379 kern.geom.journal.stats.journal_full: 0 kern.geom.journal.stats.wait_for_copy: 0 kern.geom.journal.stats.switches: 7543 kern.geom.journal.stats.combined_ios: 265318 kern.geom.journal.stats.skipped_bytes: 935712768 low_mem sounds like a bad thing. What could I do to remedy that? Did I make the journal too small? The stats say that journal_full has never happened, so maybe not? Is there a setting I should tweak? The Handbook says 1GB is good enough most of the time, but it also says that 3x the amount of physical memory is a good size as well. I compromised between the two and made an 8GB journal for this system that has ~4GB of memory. Replying to myself for posterity... I think I figured it out. I believe low_mem means its running out of gjournal cache, defined by kern.geom.journal.cache.limit, which is initially set by kern.geom.journal.cache.divisor, which is initially 2, which means half of the kernel memory, which is vm.kmem_size, which is 330MB on my i386 8.2 system by default. I don't know where this default comes from, but it seems common. This gives me about 167MB of cache for journalling. During big file transfers, I can watch the journal_data statistic in vmstat -m. It climbs close to the 167MB cache size. That's when I see kern.geom.journal.stats.low_mem tick over and the stutter happens. So I think I understand what I'm seeing now. I could try increasing vm.kmem_size and possibly the KMEM_SIZE option that's compiled into my kernel as described in the ZFS tuning documents, since it's a similar issue. This would allow the kernel to have more memory and thus allow gjournal to use more memory for caching. If I'm consistently filling the cache faster than I can empty it, making the cache bigger probably won't help. This journal is on top of a mirror, so I'm always expecting it to read faster than it writes... Copying large files locally might always max out the buffer? No harm in trying, I guess. Or I could just live with it. It's doing what I told it to do. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Gui CD soft recommend
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Graham Bentley ad...@cpcnw.co.uk wrote: Which GUI CD writing software can you recommend [less dependencies = better] If you're already got KDE libs, running sysutils/k3b or sysutils/k3b-kde4 is pretty light. It's feature set is comparable if not better than something like Nero. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kern.geom.journal.stats.low_mem refers to what?
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Luke Dean lu...@pobox.com wrote: The Handbook says 1GB is good enough most of the time, but it also says that 3x the amount of physical memory is a good size as well. I compromised between the two and made an 8GB journal for this system that has ~4GB of memory. I've never understood why that article states that calculation. The amount of RAM a system has little to do with what gjournal needs. That formula will in most cases allocate far more journal space than is really necessary. Disk speed and latency are far more important factors. Back when I was using gjournal, I used a 2GB journal on 7200rpm and was never able to panic the system unlike with a 1 GB journal but that was with all other settings at default. Allocating more to gjournal cache would increase the need for space so perhaps it's good you've made such a large one. As you've discovered, gjournal's performance isn't so great when large files are involved. It still helps on multi-threaded access but those big sequential operations destroy most the other optimizations in place. You might want to consider placing your journal on an SSD. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
gcc
When will we bump the version of gcc? On my fresh 8.2 build it is 4.2.1. The ports tree has newer, up to 4.7.0 dated 19 Mar 2011. -- Gary Dunn, Honolulu Open Slate Project http://openslate.org http://www.facebook.com/garydunn808 http://e9erust.blogspot.com Twitter @garydunn808 Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: gcc
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Gary Dunn knowt...@aloha.com wrote: When will we bump the version of gcc? On my fresh 8.2 build it is 4.2.1. The ports tree has newer, up to 4.7.0 dated 19 Mar 2011. Probably never, as GPL 3 code isn't allowed in the base system. There have been some optimizations backported to gcc in CURRENT that add in stuff like newer instruction sets I believe. The base system compiler is moving towards clang/llvm and it's now possible to run a clang kernel/world on CURRENT. Efforts are underway to change the ports system to allow for a more pluggable compiler eg clang/gcc44/gcc45/gcc46. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Easiest desktop BSD distro
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:57:45AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:41:54 -0600, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 08:45:23AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: It's uncertain whether the car would crash, or run infinitely. Mathematically, that seems to be the case, but implementations tend to result in crashy behavior -- or, quite often, raise exceptions. We're talking about a car. It doesn't raise exceptions, it simply explodes! :-) If my car exploded, I would certainly take exception to that behavior. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpOQ2jJQ5015.pgp Description: PGP signature
