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Re: Music production on FreeBSD
Conrad J. Sabatier conr...@cox.net wrote: And lately, even some of the timidity++ stuff isn't working right. The Xaw interface refuses to build/install properly, ever since the removal of X11BASE from the ports infrastructure. That should only require replacing X11BASE with LOCALBASE in the 3 port files where it appears: timidity++/Makefile.interface (3 places) timidity++-motif/Makefile timidity++-xaw/pkg-plist (2 places) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Music production on FreeBSD
On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 01:02:17 -0700 per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Conrad J. Sabatier conr...@cox.net wrote: And lately, even some of the timidity++ stuff isn't working right. The Xaw interface refuses to build/install properly, ever since the removal of X11BASE from the ports infrastructure. That should only require replacing X11BASE with LOCALBASE in the 3 port files where it appears: timidity++/Makefile.interface (3 places) timidity++-motif/Makefile timidity++-xaw/pkg-plist (2 places) Yes, I took a look at the port one day not too long ago, but ran into some unexpected difficulties with it, which I can't recall exactly at the moment. What I thought would be a simple search-and-replace thing turned out to have some surprises hidden away up in there. I'll have to take another shot at it, as my memory of what exactly the problem was is completely blank right now. :-) -- Conrad J. Sabatier conr...@cox.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Music production on FreeBSD
On 04/08/12 15:32, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:28:51 +1000 Da Rockfreebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au wrote: On 04/08/12 11:39, Mario Lobo wrote: On Saturday 07 April 2012 21:04:41 Tony wrote: Hello! Is anybody aware of any talented producers who produce their music primarily on FreeBSD? Thanks! Tony Man, that has been my dream for a good while! Ardour is a fine multitrack but no MIDI, at least on FreeBSD. And FBSD itself has lots of issues with MIDI. Besides that, there is the driver problem with most professional sound boards. I am going to attempt something a quite bit out of my league which is try to port the alsa drivers for my echo Gina3G board to FBSD. If I can manage to do that, then I believe the rest will fall on my lap by gravity. I hope I don't blow up my desktop. I'm eager to read the replies to the OP. I have. Or more accurately my wife and co have, with me behind the wheel. My wife is a musician and music teacher, and we only use FreeBSD, so its a given here (and a massive drive for me to find a way to support it). We used simple tools: audacity, rosegarden, and hydrogen. We used a usb yamaha sound board, and a ribbon mic for the vocals. The biggest problem here is that rosegarden refuses to use jack for midi transport now, so even though there is a jack_umidi daemon in the ports it still wont pick it up. I'll have to look at another app like ardour and see if it is better there. Other than that, all good. Incidentally, the reason for the emphasis on rosegarden is that it does midi and audio multitrack; as well as notation editing. Apparently they're hell bent on only using alsa (God only knows why - must have a death wish or something...), with marginal support for jack. Hence they only support midi through alsa, not jack. Madness... Yes, Rosegarden is a very nice app; it's just too bad we can't get true MIDI working with it under FreeBSD. As an amateur (frustrated?) composer, I *really* like the notation editing. I don't know about not having true midi, midi seems fine its just the software is (for some inexplicable reason) not supporting OSS anymore and chasing the horrid monster that is alsa. Even jack supports the freebsd midi using the daemon, but the software doesn't suport jack midi. Like I said: madness... For several months now, I've been unable to use Rosegarden at all (under 10-CURRENT). It crashes very early on startup. Haven't been able to track this one down yet. Gosh, how I miss my early days with FreeBSD and my Soundblaster AWE64 with the special MIDI apps for it in the ports collection (back in the good ol' days when OSS was our soundsystem). The usb audio was a good call; the uaudio driver worked well in our case with jack, and given all work was done on a laptop it made sense. These days I think it makes more sense because of the portability, not to mention if the power happens to go off in the midst of a take you can keep going and finish the track ;) The only other option that would be ideal would be firewire audio - if that ever comes to FBSD. I think there may be some support through jack, but I haven't investigated that fully yet. And dont forget lilypond for notation... :) I wish driver coding and such were more my area of expertise; I'd gladly lend a hand to any efforts to improve our MIDI support. Unfortunately, every time I've tried looking at any of the actual code for the sound subsystem, it's left me in a veritable mystified stupor. :-) And lately, even some of the timidity++ stuff isn't working right. The Xaw interface refuses to build/install properly, ever since the removal of X11BASE from the ports infrastructure. This is really my single, my one-and-only gripe with FreeBSD: MIDI! Used to have a nice setup that was working beautifully, pretty much comparable to what you might find under Windows or Mac. But the whole thing got yanked out and replaced with the newpcm stuff back in -- what year was it? -- sometime in the late 90s. Most unfortunate. I and a number of others protested at the time, that we were having functionality ripped out with no viable replacement in sight, and sadly, that's still pretty much the case. MIDI support in FreeBSD has never been the same since. :-( The replacement is there now, but everything else has moved on. Oh well, I'll shut up now. Hate to come off as a whiner or something. :-) No, I'd call it constructive criticism. Once my wife gets on my back about it I imagine I'll be driving it all forward again, so maybe there will be hope :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Upgrade to 9.0 - Mount to root failed..
Greetings all,
It's my 1st time on any of the FreeBSD lists I'm fairly new to FreeBSD to
please bear with me..
So I've upgraded from 8.1 to 9.0 now the system can't mount in single
user mode to go through the final step of installing the world..
# cvsup.. Done..
# make buildworld.. Done..
# make buildkernel.. Done..
# make installkernel.. Done..
# reboot in single user mode to install world.. Failed to mount to
/dev/ad2s1a.. {Yes, that *is* my HD}
I rebooted from the loader prompt with my old (GENERIC) kernel came up
with the following..
peggy# ls -l /dev/ad*
crw-r- 1 root operator0, 79 Apr 8 08:47 /dev/ad2
crw-r- 1 root operator0, 82 Apr 8 08:47 /dev/ad2s1
crw-r- 1 root operator0, 84 Apr 8 08:47 /dev/ad2s1a
peggy# cat /etc/fstab
# DeviceMountpointFStypeOptionsDumpPass#
/dev/ad2s1a/ufsrw11
/dev/acd0/cdromcd9660ro,noauto00
peggy# disklabel /dev/ad2s1a
# /dev/ad2s1a:
8 partitions:
#size offsetfstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg]
a: 2004401704.2BSD 2048 16384 28552
c: 200440170unused0 0 # raw part,
don't edit
peggy# fsck
** /dev/ad2s1a (NO WRITE)
** Last Mounted on /
** Root file system
** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes
** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames
** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity
** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts
** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups
415735 files, 3148200 used, 1702923 free (40563 frags, 207795 blocks, 0.8%
fragmentation)
peggy# kldstat
Id Refs AddressSize Name
17 0xc040 bb5504 kernel
21 0xc2e1a000 26000linux.ko
I know there's many 'mount' problem discussions out there but I can't seem
to find out how to overcome this problem..
Many thanx in advance for any assistance..
Regards,
E.
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Re: Upgrade to 9.0 - Mount to root failed..
On 8 April 2012 09:53, Airosoβicz fb. airosov...@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings all,
It's my 1st time on any of the FreeBSD lists I'm fairly new to FreeBSD to
please bear with me..
So I've upgraded from 8.1 to 9.0 now the system can't mount in single
user mode to go through the final step of installing the world..
# cvsup.. Done..
# make buildworld.. Done..
# make buildkernel.. Done..
# make installkernel.. Done..
# reboot in single user mode to install world.. Failed to mount to
/dev/ad2s1a.. {Yes, that *is* my HD}
I rebooted from the loader prompt with my old (GENERIC) kernel came up
with the following..
peggy# ls -l /dev/ad*
crw-r- 1 root operator 0, 79 Apr 8 08:47 /dev/ad2
crw-r- 1 root operator 0, 82 Apr 8 08:47 /dev/ad2s1
crw-r- 1 root operator 0, 84 Apr 8 08:47 /dev/ad2s1a
peggy# cat /etc/fstab
# Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass#
/dev/ad2s1a / ufs rw 1 1
/dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0
peggy# disklabel /dev/ad2s1a
# /dev/ad2s1a:
8 partitions:
# size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg]
a: 20044017 0 4.2BSD 2048 16384 28552
c: 20044017 0 unused 0 0 # raw part,
don't edit
peggy# fsck
** /dev/ad2s1a (NO WRITE)
** Last Mounted on /
** Root file system
** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes
** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames
** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity
** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts
** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups
415735 files, 3148200 used, 1702923 free (40563 frags, 207795 blocks, 0.8%
fragmentation)
peggy# kldstat
Id Refs Address Size Name
1 7 0xc040 bb5504 kernel
2 1 0xc2e1a000 26000 linux.ko
I know there's many 'mount' problem discussions out there but I can't seem
to find out how to overcome this problem..
Many thanx in advance for any assistance..
Regards,
E.
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try specifying 'ufs:/dev/adas1a' at the kernel prompt or editing that
into you fstab if you can. My devices changed and the 8-9 jump.
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Re: Upgrade to 9.0 - Mount to root failed..
On 08/04/2012 09:53, Airosoβicz fb. wrote:
So I've upgraded from 8.1 to 9.0 now the system can't mount in single
user mode to go through the final step of installing the world..
# cvsup.. Done..
# make buildworld.. Done..
# make buildkernel.. Done..
# make installkernel.. Done..
# reboot in single user mode to install world.. Failed to mount to
/dev/ad2s1a.. {Yes, that *is* my HD}
As was mentioned else-thread, you are probably hitting problems due to
the name change from ad(4) to ada(4) for PATA/SATA disk devices.
One way to fix this is simply to type in the new boot device in the
loader and then edit /etc/fstab from single user mode -- which is fine,
but you'ld have to go through the same sort of rigmarole again to revert
back to 8.1 should that be necesssary. The preferred method nowadays is
to label the partitions. There are three options:
glabel(8) -- generic labels for geom devices, which will appear in
/dev/label/foo
tunefs(8) -- specifically the -L option. For UFS, labels will
appear as /dev/ufs/foo
gpart(8) -- GPT partitioning has built-in label support. Devices
appear as /dev/gpt/foo
(Additionally partitions can be referred to by uuid for the tunefs and
gpart labelling schemes, but that's not relevant here.) Quite why
FreeBSD needs so many different labelling schemes escapes me.
gpart(8) labelling is the default for new installs of 9.0. However,
given you're upgrading from 8.1, then you will likely be using MBR +
bsdlabel oldstyle partitioning, so probably tunefs(8) labelling would be
the best choice to get you through the 8.1 - 9.0 reboot.
ie. Create the label:
# tunefs -L ROOT /dev/as2s1a
then edit /etc/fstab so the line for the root filesystem reads like so:
/dev/ufs/ROOT / ufs rw 0 1
Repeat this for all the other UFS filesystems you have -- a good system
is to label them according to their mountpoint (USR, VAR, HOME, LOCAL,
and so forth.)
This should work with both 8.1 and 9.0 kernels -- however, untested, so
apply appropriate levels of caution.
Cheers,
Matthew
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Re: Can FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE mount Ext3 file system ?
from Xavier xavierfreebsdquesti...@gmail.com: I have: casa# disktype /dev/da1 --- /dev/da1 Character device, size 3.771 GiB (4048551936 bytes) FreeBSD boot loader (i386 boot2/BTX 1.02 at sector 2) BSD disklabel (at sector 1), 8 partitions Partition c: 2.145 GiB (2302711808 bytes, 4497484 sectors from 0) Type 0 (Unused) DOS/MBR partition map Partition 1: 3.547 GiB (3808272384 bytes, 7438032 sectors from 63) Type 0x83 (Linux) Ext3 file system UUID D1A7E6D6-3A34-4864-B6E8-C4DAA34AD776 (DCE, v4) Last mounted at / Volume size 3.547 GiB (3808272384 bytes, 929754 blocks of 4 KiB) Partition 2: 227.5 MiB (238533120 bytes, 465885 sectors from 7438095) Type 0x05 (Extended) Partition 5: 227.5 MiB (238500864 bytes, 465822 sectors from 7438095+63) Type 0x82 (Linux swap / Solaris) Linux swap, version 2, subversion 1, 4 KiB pages, little-endian Swap size 227.4 MiB (238489600 bytes, 58225 pages of 4 KiB) I'm running from FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE I try: casa# mount -t ext2fs /dev/da1a /mnt/JetFlash\ Transcend\ 4GB\ 1100/ mount: /dev/da1a : Invalid argument How can I mount it ? I'm confused between the BSD disklabel and DOS/MBR partition map. What does (running from Linux) fdisk -lu /dev/sdb (or whatever the Linux name for that disk is) show? How do you mount that Linux ext3fs partition in Linux? That knowledge might help me figure how to mount that partition from FreeBSD. I'm still not sure how or if FreeBSD supports ext3fs as opposed to ext2fs. I don't see the rationale for setting up an extended partition when you only use two partitions. The second (Linux swap) partition could be primary, and you would be well under the quota of four primary partitions. Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Can FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE mount Ext3 file system ?
On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 06:32:36AM -0400, Thomas Mueller wrote: Hi Thomas, from Xavier xavierfreebsdquesti...@gmail.com: I have: casa# disktype /dev/da1 --- /dev/da1 Character device, size 3.771 GiB (4048551936 bytes) FreeBSD boot loader (i386 boot2/BTX 1.02 at sector 2) BSD disklabel (at sector 1), 8 partitions Partition c: 2.145 GiB (2302711808 bytes, 4497484 sectors from 0) Type 0 (Unused) DOS/MBR partition map Partition 1: 3.547 GiB (3808272384 bytes, 7438032 sectors from 63) Type 0x83 (Linux) Ext3 file system UUID D1A7E6D6-3A34-4864-B6E8-C4DAA34AD776 (DCE, v4) Last mounted at / Volume size 3.547 GiB (3808272384 bytes, 929754 blocks of 4 KiB) Partition 2: 227.5 MiB (238533120 bytes, 465885 sectors from 7438095) Type 0x05 (Extended) Partition 5: 227.5 MiB (238500864 bytes, 465822 sectors from 7438095+63) Type 0x82 (Linux swap / Solaris) Linux swap, version 2, subversion 1, 4 KiB pages, little-endian Swap size 227.4 MiB (238489600 bytes, 58225 pages of 4 KiB) I'm running from FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE I try: casa# mount -t ext2fs /dev/da1a /mnt/JetFlash\ Transcend\ 4GB\ 1100/ mount: /dev/da1a : Invalid argument How can I mount it ? I'm confused between the BSD disklabel and DOS/MBR partition map. What does (running from Linux) fdisk -lu /dev/sdb (or whatever the Linux name for that disk is) show? ^^ I'll run that command line from a GNU/Linux ( not from FreeBSD ) ? How do you mount that Linux ext3fs partition in Linux? That knowledge might help me figure how to mount that partition from FreeBSD. I don't probe it. /dev/da1 is a USB pen drive with GNU/Linux OS. Well, I wait to confirm that command ... Thanks, see you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
ghostscript message when running ps2pdf
Antonio Olivares writes: Has anyone seen the following message: GPL Ghostscript 9.05: Error: Font Renderer Plugin ( FreeType ) return code = -1? This is the first time I see this error message when running ps2pdf on FreeBSD. Any pointers as to how to suppress these messages when invoking ps2pdf? I have not seen this message. However, I note Freetype(2) recently had a minor version bump. Have you updated that port, and could this be the cause of this problem? Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity
Hello! As much as I love FreeBSD, I'm a bit alarmed by its webdesign / corporate identity. Since FreeBSD is the world's best OS, I believe it should have a design that reflects this. A design that is so neutral and stripped of any unnecessary details that the user's attention is directed straight on to the content as opposed to how the content looks. A design that you can look at over and over without getting annoyed. The current design is an uneven mix of various styles, and seems more forced than well thought out. First you have the shiny Satanic 3D-lookalike logo (yes, despite what y'all say, it's still Satanic) that might look cool the first few times one looks at it. Now though it's more like what the hell *is* that thing anyway? (ref: Tres Logoshttp://www.amazon.com/Tres-Logos-Robert-Klanten/dp/3899552679/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1332777820sr=8-1 ) Then you have a surrounding layout trying to cater to that logo, but fails miserably as it was made by programmers as opposed to people with an actual education in design http://www.royalacademy.org.uk/. There is no natural flow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laminar_flow and the whole thing just comes off as corny http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=corny - and this makes us all look bad. I also hear PostgreSQLhttp://www.postgresql.org/is planning to sue FreeBSD for stealing its design. I propose a new, supersimple look for FreeBSD based on Helveticahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkoX0pEwSCw. No devil logo, no bells and whistles, just straight forward FreeBSD - the world's best operating system. So simple that hardly anything it will go out of fashion and need to be replaced, so simple that it'll remain as current now as it will be a hundred years from now. Perfection is achieved, not when there's nothing left to add, but when there's nothing left to take away. Tony http://siegelgale.com/ http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/ http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity
Hi, not again. Erich On Sunday 08 April 2012 19:40:12 Tony wrote: Hello! As much as I love FreeBSD, I'm a bit alarmed by its webdesign / corporate identity. Since FreeBSD is the world's best OS, I believe it should have a design that reflects this. A design that is so neutral and stripped of any unnecessary details that the user's attention is directed straight on to the content as opposed to how the content looks. A design that you can look at over and over without getting annoyed. The current design is an uneven mix of various styles, and seems more forced than well thought out. First you have the shiny Satanic 3D-lookalike logo (yes, despite what y'all say, it's still Satanic) that might look cool the first few times one looks at it. Now though it's more like what the hell *is* that thing anyway? (ref: Tres Logoshttp://www.amazon.com/Tres-Logos-Robert-Klanten/dp/3899552679/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1332777820sr=8-1 ) Then you have a surrounding layout trying to cater to that logo, but fails miserably as it was made by programmers as opposed to people with an actual education in design http://www.royalacademy.org.uk/. There is no natural flow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laminar_flow and the whole thing just comes off as corny http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=corny - and this makes us all look bad. I also hear PostgreSQLhttp://www.postgresql.org/is planning to sue FreeBSD for stealing its design. I propose a new, supersimple look for FreeBSD based on Helveticahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkoX0pEwSCw. No devil logo, no bells and whistles, just straight forward FreeBSD - the world's best operating system. So simple that hardly anything it will go out of fashion and need to be replaced, so simple that it'll remain as current now as it will be a hundred years from now. Perfection is achieved, not when there's nothing left to add, but when there's nothing left to take away. Tony http://siegelgale.com/ http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/ http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Upgrade to 9.0 - Mount to root failed..
Hi Matthew, Thanx for the quick reply.. Can't get it to work though.. On 08/04/2012 09:53, Airosoβicz fb. wrote: So I've upgraded from 8.1 to 9.0 now the system can't mount in single user mode to go through the final step of installing the world.. As was mentioned else-thread, you are probably hitting problems due to the name change from ad(4) to ada(4) for PATA/SATA disk devices. It's starting to make sense now.. Mounting ufs:/dev/ad*a*2s1a i.o. from ufs:/dev/ad2s1a simply doesn't work because as I've put in my original post with # ls -l /dev/ad* it doesn't exist.. Only ad2,ad2s1 ad2s1a do.. One way to fix this is simply to type in the new boot device in the loader and then edit /etc/fstab from single user mode Which boot device..? I wish it was simple.. The preferred method nowadays is to label the partitions, so probably tunefs(8) labelling would be the best choice to get you through the 8.1 - 9.0 reboot. ie. Create the label: # tunefs -L ROOT /dev/as2s1a # man 8 tunefs: The tunefs can not be run on an active filesystem. To change an active filesystem it must be downgraded to read only or to unmounted.. [Which I've done with # mount -r -f..] # tunefs: /dev/ad2s1a: failed to write superblock.. I've updated the /etc/fstab with the ROOT label but I can't get the single-user mount nor the tunefs to work.. Regards, E. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity
Tony wrote: Hello! As much as I love FreeBSD, I'm a bit alarmed by its webdesign / corporate identity. Since FreeBSD is the world's best OS, I believe it should have a design that reflects this. A design that is so neutral and stripped of any unnecessary details that the user's attention is directed straight on to the content as opposed to how the content looks. A design that you can look at over and over without getting annoyed. Since you seem to know so much about web design WHY don't you create your version for review and maybe acceptance if the community likes it? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD losing market share?
On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:22:47 +0200 Tony articulated: Just look at how well low-cost airlines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_low-cost_airlines are doing. You seriously want to fly on the airline that has cut everything, including maintenance to the bare bone? Everyone is not a pauper. Some of us actually like the amenities that hard work can buy. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: FreeBSD losing market share?
Tony wrote... --- I'm a bit alarmed by the fact that none of the major low-cost Xen VPS-based hosting providers in the modern web development scenehttp://rubyonrails.org/screencasts/rails3 (Rackspace, Linode, SliceHost, Webbynode etc.) offer FreeBSD hosting. Sure there are some that offer dedicated servers like M5 Hosting, RootBSD, Pair etc. but those are hard to find and ridiculously expensive. Why doesn't FreeBSD support Xen? --- One could also ask why Xen doesn't support FreeBSD ;) I've been a loyal FreeBSD zealot for decades and I still am. However, I have to admit, there are two severe shortcomings - not all entirely freebsd's fault - that keep it out of Xen hosting (and some other high end) environments. The answer is: 1) No true clustered filesystem (GFS for one example). Takes it out of the running completely for those environments. Hast is a wonderful step in the right direction, but really not the answer. 2) Xen - Xen-Tools have not been supported on FreeBSD to this day. Without it, there's little sense in running FreeBSD in a commercial hosting environment under XenServer. No live migration, and half the other nice features aren't available. If Xen-tools was supported in FreeBSD, I'm sure you'd see it popping up as a guest in XenServer hosting providers. J ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrade to 9.0 - Mount to root failed..
On Sun, 8 Apr 2012, Airoso?icz fb. wrote: It's starting to make sense now.. Mounting ufs:/dev/ad*a*2s1a i.o. from ufs:/dev/ad2s1a simply doesn't work because as I've put in my original post with # ls -l /dev/ad* it doesn't exist.. Only ad2,ad2s1 ad2s1a do.. ada device numbering is relative, so the first drive found is always ada0. If there are no ada devices in /dev at all, I'd guess too much has been removed from the custom kernel. # man 8 tunefs: The tunefs can not be run on an active filesystem. To change an active filesystem it must be downgraded to read only or to unmounted.. [Which I've done with # mount -r -f..] # tunefs: /dev/ad2s1a: failed to write superblock.. I've updated the /etc/fstab with the ROOT label but I can't get the single-user mount nor the tunefs to work.. http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/labels.html shows a full example. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Token Ring (really)
Adam wrote... Otherwise, it's time to abandon steamships for airplanes. Sounds like you have a primed business opportunity just waiting to be exploited. --- Actually, this is for a historical re-creation project. Airplanes would be entirely inappropriate for a historical display, so steamships it is. Last I checked, there was no primed business opportunity in doing something for non-profits (museums, etc.) :) I guess I'll have to see how tough it would be to yank the TR code from 7x and get it running under 9x. Probably above my skillset, but I'll have a looksee. J ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrade to 9.0 - Mount to root failed..
On 4/8/2012 8:51 AM, Airosoβicz fb. wrote: Hi Matthew, Thanx for the quick reply.. Can't get it to work though.. On 08/04/2012 09:53, Airosoβicz fb. wrote: So I've upgraded from 8.1 to 9.0 now the system can't mount in single user mode to go through the final step of installing the world.. As was mentioned else-thread, you are probably hitting problems due to the name change from ad(4) to ada(4) for PATA/SATA disk devices. It's starting to make sense now.. Mounting ufs:/dev/ad*a*2s1a i.o. from ufs:/dev/ad2s1a simply doesn't work because as I've put in my original post with # ls -l /dev/ad* it doesn't exist.. Only ad2,ad2s1 ad2s1a do.. One way to fix this is simply to type in the new boot device in the loader and then edit /etc/fstab from single user mode Which boot device..? I wish it was simple.. When you get to the loader, escape to the loader prompt. Then type lsdev to see what the loader finds. You'll have to find which one looks right, and type that into the mount failed prompt. After it's done booting, check /dev to make sure it looks right and change your fstab. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ghostscript message when running ps2pdf
On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 7:06 AM, Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com wrote: Antonio Olivares writes: Has anyone seen the following message: GPL Ghostscript 9.05: Error: Font Renderer Plugin ( FreeType ) return code = -1? This is the first time I see this error message when running ps2pdf on FreeBSD. Any pointers as to how to suppress these messages when invoking ps2pdf? I have not seen this message. However, I note Freetype(2) recently had a minor version bump. Have you updated that port, and could this be the cause of this problem? That is it. The update in ports cures this message :) Thanks for the information. Regards, Antonio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity
On Apr 8, 2012, at 5:40 AM, Tony wrote: Hello! As much as I love FreeBSD, [snip] I propose a new, supersimple look for FreeBSD based on Helveticahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkoX0pEwSCw. [snip] Tony [snip] http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/ It's like a punch-line almost. I admit to enjoying the Helvetica Trailer video linked-to above. I even admit to liking the proposed motto's. But I disagree with any sentiment that designcouncil.org.uk embodies the same clean lines and well-thought-out design that is being encouraged here. Most egregious is the mishmash of serif with sans-serif and misaligned content areas. -- Devin _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity
On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:40:12 +0200 Tony wrote: Tony http://siegelgale.com/ The FreeBSD site isn't great, but this site is worse. Has no-one ever pointed-out the irony that the top 20% of the page bangs-on about simplifying, and has a fight bloat on your website link, but the other 80% is a cluttered mess. It also has a pet hate of mine: menus that make the rest of the page move around even when the pointer is just passing-over them. I can forgive the FreeBSD site all its faults for not doing that. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Token Ring (really)
On 4/8/2012 4:41 PM, Jay West wrote: Adam wrote... Otherwise, it's time to abandon steamships for airplanes. Sounds like you have a primed business opportunity just waiting to be exploited. --- Actually, this is for a historical re-creation project. Airplanes would be entirely inappropriate for a historical display, so steamships it is. Last I checked, there was no primed business opportunity in doing something for non-profits (museums, etc.) :) I guess I'll have to see how tough it would be to yank the TR code from 7x and get it running under 9x. Probably above my skillset, but I'll have a looksee. J Hi, You could try finding an ethernet to token ring translating bridge, though I am not aware of the budget will need - or if you'll find one anyways. Just a thought, Nikos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrade to 9.0 - Mount to root failed..
On 04/09/12 02:17, Joshua Isom wrote: On 4/8/2012 8:51 AM, Airosoβicz fb. wrote: Hi Matthew, Thanx for the quick reply.. Can't get it to work though.. On 08/04/2012 09:53, Airosoβicz fb. wrote: So I've upgraded from 8.1 to 9.0 now the system can't mount in single user mode to go through the final step of installing the world.. As was mentioned else-thread, you are probably hitting problems due to the name change from ad(4) to ada(4) for PATA/SATA disk devices. It's starting to make sense now.. Mounting ufs:/dev/ad*a*2s1a i.o. from ufs:/dev/ad2s1a simply doesn't work because as I've put in my original post with # ls -l /dev/ad* it doesn't exist.. Only ad2,ad2s1 ad2s1a do.. One way to fix this is simply to type in the new boot device in the loader and then edit /etc/fstab from single user mode Which boot device..? I wish it was simple.. When you get to the loader, escape to the loader prompt. Then type lsdev to see what the loader finds. You'll have to find which one looks right, and type that into the mount failed prompt. After it's done booting, check /dev to make sure it looks right and change your fstab. From a theoretical point of view (I'll have to consider this for my own needs in the near future) I'd say the labeling option mentioned by Warren would be better for the long term. It may seem a little complicated to setup but it will work just about anywhere. If you continue with devices as you are at the moment you run the risk of having this trouble every time something changes. My 2c. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity
On 04/09/12 07:44, RW wrote: On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:40:12 +0200 Tony wrote: Tony http://siegelgale.com/ The FreeBSD site isn't great, but this site is worse. Has no-one ever pointed-out the irony that the top 20% of the page bangs-on about simplifying, and has a fight bloat on your website link, but the other 80% is a cluttered mess. It also has a pet hate of mine: menus that make the rest of the page move around even when the pointer is just passing-over them. I can forgive the FreeBSD site all its faults for not doing that. The FreeBSD site is accessible (as is legal required) and to the point. That is what matters. It provides all the information needed and communicates it exceedingly well. FreeBSD is a no nonsense get the job done without bloat OS: the site communicates that as well, and communication is not just about the words. My 2c. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD losing market share?
On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 09:37:15AM -0500, Jay West wrote: Tony wrote... --- I'm a bit alarmed by the fact that none of the major low-cost Xen VPS-based hosting providers in the modern web development scenehttp://rubyonrails.org/screencasts/rails3 (Rackspace, Linode, SliceHost, Webbynode etc.) offer FreeBSD hosting. Sure there are some that offer dedicated servers like M5 Hosting, RootBSD, Pair etc. but those are hard to find and ridiculously expensive. Why doesn't FreeBSD support Xen? --- One could also ask why Xen doesn't support FreeBSD ;) I've been a loyal FreeBSD zealot for decades and I still am. However, I have to admit, there are two severe shortcomings - not all entirely freebsd's fault - that keep it out of Xen hosting (and some other high end) environments. The answer is: 1) No true clustered filesystem (GFS for one example). Takes it out of the running completely for those environments. Hast is a wonderful step in the right direction, but really not the answer. 2) Xen - Xen-Tools have not been supported on FreeBSD to this day. Without it, there's little sense in running FreeBSD in a commercial hosting environment under XenServer. No live migration, and half the other nice features aren't available. If Xen-tools was supported in FreeBSD, I'm sure you'd see it popping up as a guest in XenServer hosting providers. Well, guess you and Tony have some work to do then. I expect it will be more than a weekend project for you. jerry J ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity
On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 01:25:54 +0200 Mikkel Bang wrote: Den 23:44 8. april 2012 skrev RW rwmailli...@googlemail.com følgende: The FreeBSD site isn't great, but this site is worse. Has no-one ever pointed-out the irony that the top 20% of the page bangs-on about simplifying, and has a fight bloat on your website link, but the other 80% is a cluttered mess. It also has a pet hate of mine: menus that make the rest of the page move around even when the pointer is just passing-over them. I can forgive the FreeBSD site all its faults for not doing that. I understand you're trying to stand up for FreeBSD, You understand wrongly. I don't really care about the FreeBSD site. I genuinely think that Siegel+Gale have a substandard website. Take a look at the Royal Academy and Design Council sites he linked - it's not in the same league. but what you're saying makes little sense. Siegel+Gale is one of the world's most respected design agencies. And like, who are you? So what are you saying? - I'm automatically wrong (irrespective of the facts) because they're respected design agency and I'm a nobody - You didn't understand what I wrote. - you disagree with a specific point that you're not bothering to mention Haters gonna hate. I'm not a hater. I'm at most a mocker. In particular I find it amusing that their own website fails to follow the vision that they advocate for other peoples. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity
On 04/08/2012 05:40 AM, Tony wrote: Hello! As much as I love FreeBSD, I'm a bit alarmed by its webdesign / corporate identity. Since FreeBSD is the world's best OS, I believe it should have a design that reflects this. A design that is so neutral and stripped of any unnecessary details that the user's attention is directed straight on to the content as opposed to how the content looks. A design that you can look at over and over without getting annoyed. The current design is an uneven mix of various styles, and seems more forced than well thought out. First you have the shiny Satanic 3D-lookalike logo (yes, despite what y'all say, it's still Satanic) that might look cool the first few times one looks at it. Now though it's more like what the hell *is* that thing anyway? (ref: Tres Logoshttp://www.amazon.com/Tres-Logos-Robert-Klanten/dp/3899552679/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1332777820sr=8-1 ) Then you have a surrounding layout trying to cater to that logo, but fails miserably as it was made by programmers as opposed to people with an actual education in designhttp://www.royalacademy.org.uk/. There is no natural flowhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laminar_flow and the whole thing just comes off as cornyhttp://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=corny - and this makes us all look bad. I also hear PostgreSQLhttp://www.postgresql.org/is planning to sue FreeBSD for stealing its design. I propose a new, supersimple look for FreeBSD based on Helveticahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkoX0pEwSCw. No devil logo, no bells and whistles, just straight forward FreeBSD - the world's best operating system. So simple that hardly anything it will go out of fashion and need to be replaced, so simple that it'll remain as current now as it will be a hundred years from now. Perfection is achieved, not when there's nothing left to add, but when there's nothing left to take away. Tony http://siegelgale.com/http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/ http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Now your are starting to sound like a troll. get lost ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity
On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:40:12 +0200, Tony wrote: Hello! As much as I love FreeBSD, I'm a bit alarmed by its webdesign / corporate identity. What's wrong with it? It's very accessible (especially for blind users) and it presents the availabe information in a structured way. Sure, it does not use many of today's modern extensions to get simple things done, as it uses _simple_ things to get them done (e. g. a href= for a link istead of Flash), but that's not a problem in my opinion. The pages load fast, they display well in all four major browsers (Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Opera), and it even renders properly in browsers with limited abilities (lynx, links, w3m, dillo). Your next point: Corporate identity. I sadly fail to see where FreeBSD can be seen as a corporation. It's rather a community, having some core installations, but it's not a company that has to maintain a specific design across all its products. However, FreeBSD's projects are consistent regarding naming and logos. Since FreeBSD is the world's best OS, I believe it should have a design that reflects this. In your opinion, what would you consider a good example to imitiate, or at least to consider as a source of inspiration? I don't say design couldn't be improved - but what are _your_ opinions in how it should be done? Can you be more specific? A design that is so neutral and stripped of any unnecessary details that the user's attention is directed straight on to the content as opposed to how the content looks. A design that you can look at over and over without getting annoyed. Hmmm... I always thought exactly that is what the landing page of the FreeBSD project already is. You're describing the status quo. The current design is an uneven mix of various styles, and seems more forced than well thought out. That may be due to the reason that those are different project which are somewhat independent. The home page is a different thing than the documentation (different maintainers, different projects), and the wiki, as well as other sources, are associated projects not governed by the the core team of the FreeBSD project. First you have the shiny Satanic 3D-lookalike logo (yes, despite what y'all say, it's still Satanic) [...] Despite you say the opposite, it's not. :-) [...] that might look cool the first few times one looks at it. Now though it's more like what the hell *is* that thing anyway? It's a logo, nothing more, nothing less. There are many logos in the corporate world that raise the question of What _is_ this?!, and even in some cases, it cannot be answered because it's _nothing_ (except a graphical exercise). See the logo in that way, and see the mascot. Both of them are not satanic. They have horns, the mascot has a tail. A bull also has horns and a tail. Is it satanic therefore? Would you refuse to eat a steak because it might be satanic as well? (ref: Tres Logoshttp://www.amazon.com/Tres-Logos-Robert-Klanten/dp/3899552679/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1332777820sr=8-1 ) This reference cannot be reviewed for free, so I sadly have to discard it. If you could be more specific on the FreeBSD case, please _be_ more specific. Then you have a surrounding layout trying to cater to that logo, but fails miserably as it was made by programmers as opposed to people with an actual education in design http://www.royalacademy.org.uk/. No, the design caters the _content_. That is the purpose of design aiming at the designated target audience. There is no natural flow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laminar_flow and the whole thing just comes off as corny http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=corny - and this makes us all look bad. I also hear PostgreSQLhttp://www.postgresql.org/is planning to sue FreeBSD for stealing its design. Let's watch the result of the lawsuit then. :-) I propose a new, supersimple look for FreeBSD based on Helveticahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkoX0pEwSCw. I don't think you can consider a font being the center of a web design. What if that font isn't even installed? What if a blind user accesses the page? Even though I like the Helvetica font, I believe it's not enough, and even not possible to design around a font. Or am I misunderstanding your intention? No devil logo, [...] There already is no devil logo. [...] no bells and whistles, [...] Fully agreed, and already present. Perfection is achieved, not when there's nothing left to add, but when there's nothing left to take away. Very good. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
