Re: FreeBSD losing market share?
Tony, I'm always fascinated how people consider market share the purpose of everyone and everything. FreeBSD is not a profit-oriented company (it's not even a company in this regards), and you can hardly _measure_ its market share. Hell, you can't even measure its _usage share_! Unlike corporations with a certain income model where unit sales can be counted, you cannot count them for FreeBSD as anyone can download and install as many copies of it as he likes. Due to the licensing model, derived works that are turned into a closed-source project can even be attributed to a different company (e. g. a FreeBSD-derived OS that is installed into an embedded system acting as a firewall will sales_units++; for that company, not for FreeBSD). You have _no_, I repeat NO means to determine how many FreeBSD systems are currently up and running. That would be usage share. Market share is a measuring model that you can't even apply to FreeBSD in my opinion. On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:22:47 +0200, Tony wrote: Imagine how FreeBSD's market share and popularity would skyrocket once regular people gets access to it. FreeBSD has no market share, if you apply the term correctly, as it is not part of the market. Low-cost hosting definitely is the way of the future. I'm not sure it is. Even by the means of cloud computing prices are still rising (due to energy costs increasing), and only efficiency is a way to chance this trend. Sadly, requirements to not follow this approach, which makes things becoming more expensive in the future. Unlimited data is also a thing that, in my opinion, will disappear in the future. Lean and fast applications will have a renaissance. Just look at how well low-cost airlineshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_low-cost_airlinesare doing. Are _currently_ doing, but they will sooner or later be out of fuel. Fuel is becoming more expensive as the available amount is limited. If you consider such things on the long run, you will surely have to admit that a short-time strategy (being cheap right now) does not pay. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity
On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 10:16:49AM -0700, Devin Teske wrote: On Apr 8, 2012, at 5:40 AM, Tony wrote: http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/ It's like a punch-line almost. I admit to enjoying the Helvetica Trailer video linked-to above. I even admit to liking the proposed motto's. But I disagree with any sentiment that designcouncil.org.uk embodies the same clean lines and well-thought-out design that is being encouraged here. Most egregious is the mishmash of serif with sans-serif and misaligned content areas. I thought maybe you were just being snarky here, but then I took a look at the site. I actually had a minimal education in design, once upon a time, and the first thing I think when I see the Design Council site is Was that thing designed by children? It is nothing like what Tony suggests would be a good approach to the design of the FreeBSD site, which is actually a good recommendation for the design he suggests for the FreeBSD site. Gawd, it's comically bad for something called the Design Council, unless you take the name as an ironic reference to the idea that design by committee is a horrible idea. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD losing market share?
On 04/09/12 16:01, Polytropon wrote: Tony, I'm always fascinated how people consider market share the purpose of everyone and everything. FreeBSD is not a profit-oriented company (it's not even a company in this regards), and you can hardly _measure_ its market share. Hell, you can't even measure its _usage share_! Unlike corporations with a certain income model where unit sales can be counted, you cannot count them for FreeBSD as anyone can download and install as many copies of it as he likes. Due to the licensing model, derived works that are turned into a closed-source project can even be attributed to a different company (e. g. a FreeBSD-derived OS that is installed into an embedded system acting as a firewall will sales_units++; for that company, not for FreeBSD). You have _no_, I repeatNO means to determine how many FreeBSD systems are currently up and running. That would be usage share. Market share is a measuring model that you can't even apply to FreeBSD in my opinion. On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 15:22:47 +0200, Tony wrote: Imagine how FreeBSD's market share and popularity would skyrocket once regular people gets access to it. FreeBSD has no market share, if you apply the term correctly, as it is not part of the market. And regular people already can access it. They can use it freely as much as they like and get free help to boot (though I hope they reciprocate in kind in some way). Unlike certain OS you have to actually pay for to use and pay to get help, such as a certain popular OS which supposedly has 90% market share and gives all a headache... ;) Community is a so much nicer term for this phenomena. Low-cost hosting definitely is the way of the future. I'm not sure it is. Even by the means of cloud computing prices are still rising (due to energy costs increasing), and only efficiency is a way to chance this trend. Sadly, requirements to not follow this approach, which makes things becoming more expensive in the future. Unlimited data is also a thing that, in my opinion, will disappear in the future. Lean and fast applications will have a renaissance. Just look at how well low-cost airlineshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_low-cost_airlinesare doing. Are _currently_ doing, but they will sooner or later be out of fuel. Fuel is becoming more expensive as the available amount is limited. If you consider such things on the long run, you will surely have to admit that a short-time strategy (being cheap right now) does not pay. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Token Ring (really)
Jay West jw...@ezwind.net wrote: this is for a historical re-creation project ... I guess I'll have to see how tough it would be to yank the TR code from 7x and get it running under 9x. Might it not be both more historically accurate, and a great deal easier, to just use the version of FreeBSD that corresponds to the historical era being re-created? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: how often to update ports?
Aleksandr Miroslav wrote: How often do you folks update your ports/packages. I was manging two servers for years for my personal web/email, and I've rarely gone for more than 3 months with any single package being not up to date, usually about once a month I would update all my ports. Recently, in the past few months or so, I've added several more servers, I currently have around 10 servers that I'm managing, and because of changes in my work schedule, it has become somewhat quite tedious to do this (keep ports updated as frequently, I mean). From what I've gleaned from this list and other BSD mailing lists that I'm on, is that some people don't update their port-installed packages nearly as frequently (security patches/updates aside). Some people go for months/years without doing so. So I'm curious, how often do you keep your ports update, and what are the reasons for doing so? I update my desktops daily. The process is streamlined and doesn't need an eye on it. I'm updating servers weekly or so. This means I have smaller blob of updates and almost never face large updates that broke everything. -- Sphinx of black quartz judge my vow. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity
Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:40:12 +0200, Tony wrote: As much as I love FreeBSD, I'm a bit alarmed by its webdesign / corporate identity. What's wrong with it? It's very accessible (especially for blind users) and it presents the availabe information in a structured way. Sure, it does not use many of today's modern extensions to get simple things done, as it uses _simple_ things to get them done (e. g. a href= for a link istead of Flash), but that's not a problem in my opinion. The pages load fast, they display well in all four major browsers (Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Opera), and it even renders properly in browsers with limited abilities (lynx, links, w3m, dillo). Actually the site does not display well in all four major browsers in general: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=91539 It might work with your browser configuration but it fails with others. And while it might (or might not) be accessible for blind users, visually impaired users run into problems if they increase the browser's default font size. Fabian signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: problem with Xorg
On Mon, Apr 09, 2012 at 12:38:45PM +0200, Bernt Hansson wrote: Hi Bernt, Hello list. When I try to start X I'm getting this error X.Org X Server 1.7.7 Release Date: 2010-05-04 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE i386 Current Operating System: FreeBSD kw.fqdn 8.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Feb 18 02:24:46 UTC 2011 r...@almeida.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 Build Date: 09 April 2012 02:21:53AM Current version of pixman: 0.24.2 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, Time: Mon Apr 9 12:30:37 2012 Please, can you paste ^^^ thsi file to ie. pastebin.com and share the URL ? For better help. Thanks, see you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: problem with Xorg
On 04/09/12 20:38, Bernt Hansson wrote: Hello list. When I try to start X I'm getting this error Yep. This one will be fun... :) X.Org X Server 1.7.7 Release Date: 2010-05-04 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE i386 Current Operating System: FreeBSD kw.fqdn 8.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Feb 18 02:24:46 UTC 2011 r...@almeida.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 Build Date: 09 April 2012 02:21:53AM Current version of pixman: 0.24.2 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, Time: Mon Apr 9 12:30:37 2012 (==) Using default built-in configuration (30 lines) (EE) LoadModule: Module fbdevhw does not have a fbdevhwModuleData data object. (EE) Failed to load module fbdevhw (invalid module, 0) Setting master The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: Warning: Type ONE_LEVEL has 1 levels, but RALT has 2 symbols Ignoring extra symbols Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server xinit: connection to X server lost waiting for X server to shut down Dropping master First some questions: 1. Does the machine lock up when you run X? 2. Do you know what video card you're using? 3. What is the output of pciconf -lv, dmesg? 4. What does Xorg -configure produce? Finally, can you change the driver setting in the xorg.conf.new to vesa and run X -conf /root/xorg.conf.new and see if it works then? Good luck! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Token Ring (really)
per...@pluto.rain.com writes: Might it not be both more historically accurate, and a great deal easier, to just use the version of FreeBSD that corresponds to the historical era being re-created? And skip feature, performance, and security improvements made since? Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: problem with Xorg
On 04/09/12 21:38, Bernt Hansson wrote: 2012-04-09 13:03, Da Rock skrev: On 04/09/12 20:38, Bernt Hansson wrote: Hello list. When I try to start X I'm getting this error Yep. This one will be fun... :) X.Org X Server 1.7.7 Release Date: 2010-05-04 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE i386 Current Operating System: FreeBSD kw.fqdn 8.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Feb 18 02:24:46 UTC 2011 r...@almeida.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 Build Date: 09 April 2012 02:21:53AM Current version of pixman: 0.24.2 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, Time: Mon Apr 9 12:30:37 2012 (==) Using default built-in configuration (30 lines) (EE) LoadModule: Module fbdevhw does not have a fbdevhwModuleData data object. (EE) Failed to load module fbdevhw (invalid module, 0) Setting master The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: Warning: Type ONE_LEVEL has 1 levels, butRALT has 2 symbols Ignoring extra symbols Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server xinit: connection to X server lost waiting for X server to shut down Dropping master First some questions: 1. Does the machine lock up when you run X? No It doesn't but no picture. 2. Do you know what video card you're using? Intel 845 3. What is the output of pciconf -lv, dmesg? pciconf -lv hostb0@pci0:0:0:0: class=0x06 card=0x chip=0x25608086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'DRAM Controller / Host-Hub I/F Bridge (82845G/GL/GV/GE/PE)' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI vgapci0@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x03 card=0x00b90e11 chip=0x25628086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82845G/GL/GV/GE/PE Integrated Graphics Device' class = display subclass = VGA uhci0@pci0:0:29:0: class=0x0c0300 card=0x00b90e11 chip=0x24c28086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller *1' class = serial bus subclass = USB uhci1@pci0:0:29:1: class=0x0c0300 card=0x00b90e11 chip=0x24c48086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller *2' class = serial bus subclass = USB ehci0@pci0:0:29:7: class=0x0c0320 card=0x00b90e11 chip=0x24cd8086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB 2.0 EHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB pcib1@pci0:0:30:0: class=0x060400 card=0x chip=0x244e8086 rev=0x81 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801 Family (ICH2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9,63xxESB) Hub Interface to PCI Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI isab0@pci0:0:31:0: class=0x060100 card=0x chip=0x24c08086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) LPC Interface Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-ISA atapci0@pci0:0:31:1:class=0x01018a card=0x00b90e11 chip=0x24cb8086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) UltraATA/100 EIDE Controller' class = mass storage subclass = ATA pcm0@pci0:0:31:5: class=0x040100 card=0x00ad0e11 chip=0x24c58086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'Realtek AC97 Audio (82801DBM SoundMAXController (ICH4-M B0 step))' class = multimedia subclass = audio fxp0@pci0:5:8:0:class=0x02 card=0x00120e11 chip=0x103b8086 rev=0x81 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) PRO/100 VM Network Connection' class = network subclass = ethernet 4. What does Xorg -configure produce? No idea, haven't tried it. Using HAL. Given your previous answers, I'd say you _have_ to run it. Then the last option I offered _will_ work. You need to force it to use vesa and that is the only way. As a last chance perhaps run X -conf /root/xorg.conf.new -retro and see if it does happen to work; this shows up the old test pattern so that you can see that X is actually running instead of a black screen. Finally, can you change the driver setting in the xorg.conf.new to vesa and run X -conf /root/xorg.conf.new and see if it works then? Well, starting X from remote it seems to catch on. HmmmOnly as root. Well I'll try to rebuild it without SUID. This is from remote AND root
RE: Token Ring (really- and why)
It was written --- Might it not be both more historically accurate, and a great deal easier, to just use the version of FreeBSD that corresponds to the historical era being re-created? And skip feature, performance, and security improvements made since? --- Not in this case on the former, and the latter - agreed. The real historical part and focus of the exhibit isn't the FreeBSD machine. It's a dual bay HP2000 Timeshare BASIC machine. It has been restored to pristine cosmetic and electrical running condition (2000/Access) and that's the focus of the exhibit. One neat feature of the HP2000, even though it was a dedicated basic interpreter environment, it had the ability to submit jobs to HASP/MVS. MVS could run the code and direct output back to files on the HP2000, output to devices on that system, etc. It's a really neat add-on feature of the display/project to include and demonstrate that functionality. Given that a full blown VM/360 system isn't in the picture, we've used Hercules. One issue is cobbling together some hardware glue to deal with the interface between the HP and the IBM, basically emulating a sync modem and 2780 device on the Hercules side. That is mostly within my skillset. The other issue is that there needs to also be some terminal interaction on the IBM side, so we have a 3174 establishment controller with some 3179 terms and a 3290 gas plasma 4-session display. The 3174 attaches to the host (Hercules) via token ring. I had this all working perfectly with FreeBSD 7x, but when upgrading FreeBSD we lost token ring support. I could stay on an older version of FreeBSD, but then I am stuck with pretty old versions of Hercules (there are problems with newer versions of Hercules compiling under older versions of FreeBSD, some needed features are lacking in older versions of Hercules, etc.). So now you have the gory details as to why. Yes, there are a few other possible ways to skin this cat, but I have researched them all and found various issues both subjective and objective with going those alternate routes, hence my desire for native TR support. So back to the topic at hand. I pulled the oltr code from 7x svn and dropped it onto an 8x machine I had available for testing, added the requisites to sys/conf/files.i386, and make buildkernel attempts to fly. It appears the main reason that oltr was dropped at release 8 was that it had IFF_NEEDSGIANT which has been deprecated for MP Safe. Additionally, some of the functions in cpufunc.h (outbv and inbv) are no longer present in the exact same form. Outbv and inbv I can probably easily adjust, but I'm out of my league in the ins outs of removing the need for giant locks. I figured it wouldn't be as simple as just moving the code :) I'll beat my head against it as time permits, thanks for any input. Best, J ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Token Ring (really- and why)
On 04/09/12 23:42, Jay West wrote: It was written --- Might it not be both more historically accurate, and a great deal easier, to just use the version of FreeBSD that corresponds to the historical era being re-created? And skip feature, performance, and security improvements made since? --- Not in this case on the former, and the latter - agreed. The real historical part and focus of the exhibit isn't the FreeBSD machine. It's a dual bay HP2000 Timeshare BASIC machine. It has been restored to pristine cosmetic and electrical running condition (2000/Access) and that's the focus of the exhibit. One neat feature of the HP2000, even though it was a dedicated basic interpreter environment, it had the ability to submit jobs to HASP/MVS. MVS could run the code and direct output back to files on the HP2000, output to devices on that system, etc. It's a really neat add-on feature of the display/project to include and demonstrate that functionality. Given that a full blown VM/360 system isn't in the picture, we've used Hercules. One issue is cobbling together some hardware glue to deal with the interface between the HP and the IBM, basically emulating a sync modem and 2780 device on the Hercules side. That is mostly within my skillset. The other issue is that there needs to also be some terminal interaction on the IBM side, so we have a 3174 establishment controller with some 3179 terms and a 3290 gas plasma 4-session display. The 3174 attaches to the host (Hercules) via token ring. I had this all working perfectly with FreeBSD 7x, but when upgrading FreeBSD we lost token ring support. I could stay on an older version of FreeBSD, but then I am stuck with pretty old versions of Hercules (there are problems with newer versions of Hercules compiling under older versions of FreeBSD, some needed features are lacking in older versions of Hercules, etc.). So now you have the gory details as to why. Yes, there are a few other possible ways to skin this cat, but I have researched them all and found various issues both subjective and objective with going those alternate routes, hence my desire for native TR support. So back to the topic at hand. I pulled the oltr code from 7x svn and dropped it onto an 8x machine I had available for testing, added the requisites to sys/conf/files.i386, and make buildkernel attempts to fly. It appears the main reason that oltr was dropped at release 8 was that it had IFF_NEEDSGIANT which has been deprecated for MP Safe. Additionally, some of the functions in cpufunc.h (outbv and inbv) are no longer present in the exact same form. Outbv and inbv I can probably easily adjust, but I'm out of my league in the ins outs of removing the need for giant locks. I figured it wouldn't be as simple as just moving the code :) I'll beat my head against it as time permits, thanks for any input. I've been following this thread with a kind of bizarre fascination (or more accurately perhaps it should be the fascination of the bizarre?). Perhaps you should put those questions to the hackers@ list? Or even net@? Where is this exhibit? Is there somewhere I can follow your progress with this interesting diorama? I'd be fascinated to see this in operation :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: problem with Xorg
On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, Da Rock wrote: On 04/09/12 21:38, Bernt Hansson wrote: 4. What does Xorg -configure produce? No idea, haven't tried it. Using HAL. Given your previous answers, I'd say you _have_ to run it. Then the last option I offered _will_ work. You need to force it to use vesa and that is the only way. Xorg autoconfigures itself. If HAL is used, it is only used for input devices, mouse and keyboard. Intel 845G should work with the x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel driver. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: problem with Xorg
On 04/10/12 00:36, Warren Block wrote: On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, Da Rock wrote: On 04/09/12 21:38, Bernt Hansson wrote: 4. What does Xorg -configure produce? No idea, haven't tried it. Using HAL. Given your previous answers, I'd say you _have_ to run it. Then the last option I offered _will_ work. You need to force it to use vesa and that is the only way. Xorg autoconfigures itself. If HAL is used, it is only used for input devices, mouse and keyboard. Intel 845G should work with the x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel driver. Should, but not always. At least vesa will get it going for the moment until a permanent solution arrives. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity
On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 02:40:12PM +0200, Tony wrote: Hello! As much as I love FreeBSD, I'm a bit alarmed by its webdesign / corporate identity. Since FreeBSD is the world's best OS, I believe it should have a design that reflects this. A design that is so neutral and stripped of any unnecessary details that the user's attention is directed straight on to the content as opposed to how the content looks. A design that you can look at over and over without getting annoyed. Whereas there are a few small things I could see improved in the FreeBSD website, generally, it is functional and does what it is supposed to do; provide information about FreeBSD for people looking for information. It is not there to be wallpaper for someones desktop. The current design is an uneven mix of various styles, and seems more forced than well thought out. First you have the shiny Satanic 3D-lookalike logo (yes, despite what y'all say, it's still Satanic) that might look cool the first few times one looks at it. Now though it's more like what the hell *is* that thing anyway? (ref: Tres Logoshttp://www.amazon.com/Tres-Logos-Robert-Klanten/dp/3899552679/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1332777820sr=8-1 Don't see anything useful there. As far as the sextoy logo, can't say that I like it, but Where is anything better? ) Then you have a surrounding layout trying to cater to that logo, but fails miserably as it was made by programmers as opposed to people with an actual education in design http://www.royalacademy.org.uk/. There is no natural flow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laminar_flow and the whole thing just comes off as corny http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=corny - and this makes us all look bad. I also hear PostgreSQLhttp://www.postgresql.org/is planning to sue FreeBSD for stealing its design. The FreeBSD site heirarchy of information leading to further information is a bit ragged in places, but show us something better. The Royal Academy front page is not too bad of a website home page, but isn't really appropriate to FreeBSD. FreeBSD is a serious working project, not some bling bling sales site. I propose a new, supersimple look for FreeBSD based on Helveticahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkoX0pEwSCw. No devil logo, no bells and whistles, just straight forward FreeBSD - the world's best operating system. So simple that hardly anything it will go out of fashion and need to be replaced, so simple that it'll remain as current now as it will be a hundred years from now. There was nothing there. The site didn't work. Perfection is achieved, not when there's nothing left to add, but when there's nothing left to take away. I looked at the URLs that you include and saw nothing that made any sense relative to FreeBSD. The socalled 'design council' page made one of the cardinal errors in web page design by making it a fixed width beyond the browser window's size. It subverts browser reflow. I hate that. It abuses the whole sysem and makes it hard for people so hav a desktop layout the way they want/need. eg, it trashes the page. So, come up with some actually good design before you next barf all over the list. Then, maybe someone will incorporate some of the worthwhile ideas. jerry Tony http://siegelgale.com/ http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/ http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
9.0 - Mount to root.. Sorted..
Hi all, As Warren Block mentioned: If there are no ada devices in /dev at all, I'd guess too much has been removed from the custom kernel. So I've checked my custom kernel config (based on GENERIC) indeed made some changes to the [S]ATA disk section after which I rebuilt installed the kernel again.. The difference now with previous was that I *was* able to boot in single-user mode, mount, label my disk with tunefs, update my /etc/fstab accordingly managed to install the world as a final step to my upgrade.. Problem solved, many thanx for all the assistance.. Regards, E. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.0 - Mount to root.. Sorted..
On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 18:51, Airosoβicz fb. airosov...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, As Warren Block mentioned: If there are no ada devices in /dev at all, I'd guess too much has been removed from the custom kernel. So I've checked my custom kernel config (based on GENERIC) indeed made some changes to the [S]ATA disk section after which I rebuilt installed the kernel again.. The difference now with previous was that I *was* able to boot in single-user mode, mount, label my disk with tunefs, update my /etc/fstab accordingly managed to install the world as a final step to my upgrade.. Problem solved, many thanx for all the assistance.. Regards, E. Good to know, but next time you shouldn't go overboard with customizing the kernel configuration file:-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
zpool creation on geli failed with FreeBSD-9.0
I was trying to install FreeBSD 9.0 using a geli encrypted disk and ZFS on my ThinkPad R500 this weekend. I failed. Having sucessfully initialized the geli part and having attached the provider, my attempt to create a zpool on the geli section thus $ zpool create ntank /dev/ada0p2.eli failed with the message Cannot create 'ntank': invalid argument for this pool operation. I could not convince the system to create the zpool on the geli part, so I gave up and created the zpool on the unencrypted partition instead to have a working machine for the week. I would, however, like to have my data on an encrypted partition though. Has anyone witnessed and resolved this issue or does anyone have other ideas? Thanks for your help, cheers, -- Christopher J. Ruwe TZ GMT + 2h ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity
Hi all! Thanks everyone for all the feedback - it has been most helpful! Just to clarify, Siegel+Gale and the UK Design Council are just the places where I work. I should have taken them out of my signature to avoid confusion, my bad. I will start work on a major Rails-basedhttp://rubyonrails.org/screencasts/rails3redesign for FreeBSD. I really liked Mikkel's suggestion of going back to the old designhttp://web.archive.org/web/20030727123044/http://www2.freebsd.org/and take it from there, so that's what I will be doing. It might take a couple of months though. Tony http://siegelgale.com/ http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/ http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/ On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 02:40:12PM +0200, Tony wrote: Hello! As much as I love FreeBSD, I'm a bit alarmed by its webdesign / corporate identity. Since FreeBSD is the world's best OS, I believe it should have a design that reflects this. A design that is so neutral and stripped of any unnecessary details that the user's attention is directed straight on to the content as opposed to how the content looks. A design that you can look at over and over without getting annoyed. Whereas there are a few small things I could see improved in the FreeBSD website, generally, it is functional and does what it is supposed to do; provide information about FreeBSD for people looking for information. It is not there to be wallpaper for someones desktop. The current design is an uneven mix of various styles, and seems more forced than well thought out. First you have the shiny Satanic 3D-lookalike logo (yes, despite what y'all say, it's still Satanic) that might look cool the first few times one looks at it. Now though it's more like what the hell *is* that thing anyway? (ref: Tres Logos http://www.amazon.com/Tres-Logos-Robert-Klanten/dp/3899552679/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1332777820sr=8-1 Don't see anything useful there. As far as the sextoy logo, can't say that I like it, but Where is anything better? ) Then you have a surrounding layout trying to cater to that logo, but fails miserably as it was made by programmers as opposed to people with an actual education in design http://www.royalacademy.org.uk/. There is no natural flow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laminar_flow and the whole thing just comes off as corny http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=corny - and this makes us all look bad. I also hear PostgreSQLhttp://www.postgresql.org/is planning to sue FreeBSD for stealing its design. The FreeBSD site heirarchy of information leading to further information is a bit ragged in places, but show us something better. The Royal Academy front page is not too bad of a website home page, but isn't really appropriate to FreeBSD. FreeBSD is a serious working project, not some bling bling sales site. I propose a new, supersimple look for FreeBSD based on Helveticahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkoX0pEwSCw. No devil logo, no bells and whistles, just straight forward FreeBSD - the world's best operating system. So simple that hardly anything it will go out of fashion and need to be replaced, so simple that it'll remain as current now as it will be a hundred years from now. There was nothing there. The site didn't work. Perfection is achieved, not when there's nothing left to add, but when there's nothing left to take away. I looked at the URLs that you include and saw nothing that made any sense relative to FreeBSD. The socalled 'design council' page made one of the cardinal errors in web page design by making it a fixed width beyond the browser window's size. It subverts browser reflow. I hate that. It abuses the whole sysem and makes it hard for people so hav a desktop layout the way they want/need. eg, it trashes the page. So, come up with some actually good design before you next barf all over the list. Then, maybe someone will incorporate some of the worthwhile ideas. jerry Tony http://siegelgale.com/ http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/ http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: keyboard latency from time to time
El día Monday, July 25, 2011 a las 05:10:47PM +0200, Matthias Apitz escribió: Hello, I run a 9-CURRENT from end of October on an Acer D250 laptop; which in general runs very fine; from time to time (say once a month) I encounter the following situation within KDE3 or X11: from a moment to another (can't say what action triggers this) the keyboard stops working; there are just no keyevents delivered on short press to any window; I've checked it with xev(1); mouse is working fine and I can close the windows or the whole session of KDE, of course loosing my connections or the content of files I'm editing in that moment; the keyevent is only delivered when you press the key for around half second, or so, and after this also the normal key re-iteration is produced; its even hard to catch only one keyevent and not twice or more; this is true for all keys, including Ctrl and Backspace, ... after restarting X11 and KDE it is fine again; Hello, Months later, in some other issue, I learned about the feature of KDE slow keys and what I have described is exactly the same behaviour and I can now even reproduce this with just pressing and holding down the Shift-key for around 8 secs; when it happens one must go to the KDE Control Center and activate 'slow keys' (yes, they are not shown as activated in this moment) and deactivate 'slow keys' again, and all is fine. matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ UNIX since V7 on PDP-11 | UNIX on mainframe since ESER 1055 (IBM /370) UNIX on x86 since SVR4.2 UnixWare 2.1.2 | FreeBSD since 2.2.5 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
cups slow when printing from firefox
Hi all, I'm struggling with a speed issue when trying to print stuff from firefox (10.0.2,1). I've set up cups (meta package 1.5.2) on my box which uses a Lexmark E360dn printer via ethernet. The printer has a postscript emulation which is set as the default (as opposed to PCL). I've used a PPD file from openprinting.org which claims that the printer is 100% supported. Printing works fine in general with all sorts of text and images, including PDF and LibreOffice and whatnot. However, trying to print maps from maps.google.de sends one CPU to 100% for a couple of minutes. Printing the same map from a Debian box takes a couple of seconds. I can print the map to a file, and print that file with lpr which also takes just a few seconds. While printing from firefox directly, I noticed a process gsc owned by cups which causes most of the CPU load. I take this as an indication that the postscript output from firefox is incorrectly rasterized on my box, instead of sending the postscript data directly to the printer. I did not make any changes to the default config files except for adding the printer through the localhost:631 interface. Is there anything else that I need to configure, either on the firefox or the cups end, to make printing maps faster? regards Markus -- Markus Hoenicka http://www.mhoenicka.de AQ score 38 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity
On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 11:55:07 -0500, Tony ableton...@gmail.com wrote: I will start work on a major Rails-based redesign I'm praying this is a troll. Ruby as a language is so broken, and anyone who has tried to host a Ruby project knows my pain. The only thing you could have said that would set off my troll senses even more is if you suggested PHP on Trax which I think is an attempt at satire. Python on Planes is the future, mn. ~Disgruntled Sysadmin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity
On Sun, 8 Apr 2012, Tony wrote: Satanic 3D-lookalike logo Satanic logo complaints: Hallmark of retarded trolls -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
fsck problem FreeBSD 8.3
Hi. Apr 9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY, CANNOT RUN FAST FSCK Apr 9 19:51:58 fsck: Apr 9 19:51:58 fsck: Apr 9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY. Apr 9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: CANNOT SET FS_NEEDSFSCK FLAG Apr 9 20:09:22 kernel: running manually: # fsck -y /dev/ad8s1e ** /dev/ad8s1e (NO WRITE) ** Last Mounted on /tmp ** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes ** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames ** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity ** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts ** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups 99 files, 10 used, 506477 free (45 frags, 63304 blocks, 0.0% fragmentation) Server reboot two or three time per day # uname -a FreeBSD flux 8.3-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 8.3-PRERELEASE #3 r231881: Fri Feb 24 17:07:48 UTC 2012 adm@flux:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v8 amd64 before this it works about month without problems /var/crash - empty, in /var/log/messages there is no any messages before crash. Can any help to fix problem? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: fsck problem FreeBSD 8.3
Nothing logged in /var/log/* or crashes that exist in /var/crash would indicate to me some sort of hardware related problem. Have you tested your hardware lately and know that it is in operational order? ~Paul On Mon, Apr 09, 2012 at 09:36:54PM +0300, ??? ??? wrote: Hi. Apr 9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY, CANNOT RUN FAST FSCK Apr 9 19:51:58 fsck: Apr 9 19:51:58 fsck: Apr 9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY. Apr 9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: CANNOT SET FS_NEEDSFSCK FLAG Apr 9 20:09:22 kernel: running manually: # fsck -y /dev/ad8s1e ** /dev/ad8s1e (NO WRITE) ** Last Mounted on /tmp ** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes ** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames ** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity ** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts ** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups 99 files, 10 used, 506477 free (45 frags, 63304 blocks, 0.0% fragmentation) Server reboot two or three time per day # uname -a FreeBSD flux 8.3-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 8.3-PRERELEASE #3 r231881: Fri Feb 24 17:07:48 UTC 2012 adm@flux:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v8 amd64 before this it works about month without problems /var/crash - empty, in /var/log/messages there is no any messages before crash. Can any help to fix problem? ___ freebsd-...@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-net To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-net-unsubscr...@freebsd.org This message may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please advise us immediately and delete this message. See http://www.datapipe.com/legal/email_disclaimer/ for further information on confidentiality and the risks of non-secure electronic communication. If you cannot access these links, please notify us by reply message and we will send the contents to you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity
Tony ableton...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all! Thanks everyone for all the feedback - it has been most helpful! Just to clarify, Siegel+Gale and the UK Design Council are just the places where I work. I should have taken them out of my signature to avoid confusion, my bad. I will start work on a major Rails-basedhttp://rubyonrails.org/screencasts/rails3redesign for FreeBSD. I really liked Mikkel's suggestion of going back to the old designhttp://web.archive.org/web/20030727123044/http://www2.freebsd.org/and take it from there, so that's what I will be doing. It might take a couple of months though. Whatever you do, make sure: 1) everything works _without_ javascript or relying on color distinctions or 'background images' -- a fair number of people force 'use my colors' rather than letting the server choose. (browsing multiple web-sites is a *lot* less painful on the eyes, when they _all_ display in color combinations *I* find pleasing. *GRIN* ) 2) Make sure *every* 'img ' tag has a meaningful alt=' field. (if it is just a filler/spacer image, _still_ put an 'alt= ' field on it. This explicitly declares that the image has 'no content') 3) Make sure everything passes the validator at http://validator.w3.org with -zero- complaints. 4) Make sure everything 'works' in 'lynx', the text-only browser. see http://lynx.browser.org/ 5) Make sure everything is usable in Firefox, with ALL SCRIPTING DISABLED, *and* then go to 'Tools-Options', the 'Content' tab, change the font size to say, 64 pt; Also click the 'colors' button and *UN-CHECK* the 'allow pages to chose their own colors' box, click 'ok' twice to dismiss the two pop-up windows, and make sure everything displays OK. 6) Try resizing the browser panel -- wide (side-to-side) and short (top- to-bottom), and narrow (side-to-side) and tall (top-to-bottom). Does it work _acceptably_ in a 640x480 window? (why not? There are users out there with VGA-only displays.) *IDEALLY* there should be no need for horizontal scrolling unless the window is -very- narrow (circa 15% of screen width or less). *IDEALLY* the content should expand to fill whatever width there is available (I have a display 1920 pixels wide, the current webpage =refuses= to use more than about 1/2 of it. Get this right, and you show you understand that HTML is -not- a 'page layout' language, That one is merely providing 'hints' for the browser to 'do with as it sees fit'. Web layout *is* a very different discipline from layout for the printed page. Once you have -that- 100% functional with no errors, -then-, and *only* *then* is is appropriate to add *optional* (for the user) 'enhancements' in addition to the basic functionality. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re[2]: fsck problem FreeBSD 8.3
Yes, I have tested. and on this hardware on this OS it works from Fri Feb 24 17:07:48 UTC 2012 but last two days: reboot ~ Mon Apr 9 19:50 reboot ~ Mon Apr 9 18:30 reboot ~ Sun Apr 8 20:55 reboot ~ Sun Apr 8 20:00 reboot ~ Sun Apr 8 19:49 reboot ~ Sun Apr 8 17:43 reboot ~ Sun Apr 8 10:58 reboot ~ Sat Apr 7 21:13 reboot ~ Sat Apr 7 16:37 reboot ~ Sat Apr 7 16:07 I remembered. One thing changed. I add vlans to igb2, but no traffic flow on that devices yet. Before this I have use: igb0, igb1, igb3 igb0@pci0:1:0:0:class=0x02 card=0x00018086 chip=0x15218086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' class = network subclass = ethernet igb1@pci0:1:0:1:class=0x02 card=0x00018086 chip=0x15218086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' class = network subclass = ethernet igb2@pci0:1:0:2:class=0x02 card=0x00018086 chip=0x15218086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' class = network subclass = ethernet igb3@pci0:1:0:3:class=0x02 card=0x00018086 chip=0x15218086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' class = network subclass = ethernet ifconfig_vlan100=inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 100 vlandev igb2 #nALL ifconfig_vlan101=inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 101 vlandev igb2 #n2 p24 ifconfig_vlan102=inet 192.168.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 102 vlandev igb2 #n1 p23 ifconfig_vlan103=inet 192.168.3.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 103 vlandev igb2 #n3 p22 ifconfig_vlan104=inet 192.168.4.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 104 vlandev igb2 #n7,9 p21 ifconfig_vlan105=inet 192.168.5.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 105 vlandev igb2 #n11 p20 ifconfig_vlan106=inet 192.168.6.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 106 vlandev igb2 #n13 p19 ifconfig_vlan107=inet 192.168.7.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 107 vlandev igb2 #n223 p18 ifconfig_vlan108=inet 192.168.8.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 108 vlandev igb2 #n225 p17 ifconfig_vlan109=inet 192.168.9.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 109 vlandev igb2 #n221 p16 ifconfig_vlan110=inet 192.168.10.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 110 vlandev igb2 #n229 p15 ifconfig_vlan111=inet 192.168.11.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 111 vlandev igb2 #n233 p14 ifconfig_vlan112=inet 192.168.12.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 112 vlandev igb2 #n231 p13 ifconfig_vlan113=inet 192.168.13.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 113 vlandev igb2 #n237 p12 ifconfig_vlan114=inet 192.168.14.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 114 vlandev igb2 #n424 p11 ifconfig_vlan115=inet 192.168.15.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 115 vlandev igb2 # PAP Nothing logged in /var/log/* or crashes that exist in /var/crash PAP would indicate to me some sort of hardware related problem. PAP Have you tested your hardware lately and know that it is in operational order? PAP ~Paul PAP On Mon, Apr 09, 2012 at 09:36:54PM +0300, ??? ??? wrote: Hi. Apr 9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY, CANNOT RUN FAST FSCK Apr 9 19:51:58 fsck: Apr 9 19:51:58 fsck: Apr 9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY. Apr 9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: CANNOT SET FS_NEEDSFSCK FLAG Apr 9 20:09:22 kernel: running manually: # fsck -y /dev/ad8s1e ** /dev/ad8s1e (NO WRITE) ** Last Mounted on /tmp ** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes ** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames ** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity ** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts ** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups 99 files, 10 used, 506477 free (45 frags, 63304 blocks, 0.0% fragmentation) Server reboot two or three time per day # uname -a FreeBSD flux 8.3-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 8.3-PRERELEASE #3 r231881: Fri Feb 24 17:07:48 UTC 2012 adm@flux:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v8 amd64 before this it works about month without problems /var/crash - empty, in /var/log/messages there is no any messages before crash. Can any help to fix problem? -- С уважением, Коньков mailto:kes-...@yandex.ru ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity
Allow me a few additions: On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 13:58:43 -0500 (CDT), Robert Bonomi wrote: 2) Make sure *every* 'img ' tag has a meaningful alt=' field. (if it is just a filler/spacer image, _still_ put an 'alt= ' field on it. This explicitly declares that the image has 'no content') And also note the longdesc= parameter to img. It should be used to give a meaningful (!) description of an image's content. 6) Try resizing the browser panel -- wide (side-to-side) and short (top- to-bottom), and narrow (side-to-side) and tall (top-to-bottom). Does it work _acceptably_ in a 640x480 window? (why not? There are users out there with VGA-only displays.) Also note that following this auto-resize approach enables a web page to be used in all its beauty on mobile devices, such as tablets and smartphones. If done right, no separate version is needed there. *IDEALLY* the content should expand to fill whatever width there is available (I have a display 1920 pixels wide, the current webpage =refuses= to use more than about 1/2 of it. Excellent idea for improving. Many web pages could learn from that simple idea. The habit of being optimized for 1024x768 is very annoying, especially if you _have_ a large display where you arrange non-fullscreen windows on. Pages that fail to accomodate to the window's size are very annoying. In fact, they are the majority. Get this right, and you show you understand that HTML is -not- a 'page layout' language, That one is merely providing 'hints' for the browser to 'do with as it sees fit'. Web layout *is* a very different discipline from layout for the printed page. Many web developers seem to be unable to see HTML as a markup language that defines structure (indead of layout). If you want to have pixel-precise 1:1 reproduction, use PDF. With HTML5 (but also applies to HTML4), it's easy to use the HTML tags to define what text _is_ instead of what it should look like. A usable approach is to use CSS for styling, and HTML for content-oriented structural description. That way, from the HTML content one can determine what's a heading, what's a paragraph, what's an address - instead of thinking in terms like this is in bold text or this is underlined text with 18px in 'Comic Sans'. The idea of semantic browsing can be utilized. Once you have -that- 100% functional with no errors, -then-, and *only* *then* is is appropriate to add *optional* (for the user) 'enhancements' in addition to the basic functionality. I think there _is_ potential to improve the FreeBSD website, in layout, content and structure. But it should be done carefully so it doesn't break anytime soon (such as modern web pages do when a new version of some arbitrary extension is out or when the underlying implementation language breaks things due to updates). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: fsck problem FreeBSD 8.3
10.04.2012 01:36, Коньков Евгений пишет: Hi. Apr 9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY, CANNOT RUN FAST FSCK Apr 9 19:51:58 fsck: Apr 9 19:51:58 fsck: Apr 9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY. Apr 9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: CANNOT SET FS_NEEDSFSCK FLAG Apr 9 20:09:22 kernel: running manually: # fsck -y /dev/ad8s1e ** /dev/ad8s1e (NO WRITE) You cannot run fsck on mounted filesystem, unmount it first. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: fsck problem FreeBSD 8.3
On 04/10/12 05:02, Коньков Евгений wrote: Yes, I have tested. and on this hardware on this OS it works from Fri Feb 24 17:07:48 UTC 2012 but last two days: reboot ~ Mon Apr 9 19:50 reboot ~ Mon Apr 9 18:30 reboot ~ Sun Apr 8 20:55 reboot ~ Sun Apr 8 20:00 reboot ~ Sun Apr 8 19:49 reboot ~ Sun Apr 8 17:43 reboot ~ Sun Apr 8 10:58 reboot ~ Sat Apr 7 21:13 reboot ~ Sat Apr 7 16:37 reboot ~ Sat Apr 7 16:07 I remembered. One thing changed. I add vlans to igb2, but no traffic flow on that devices yet. Perhaps you should test removing the vlans and see if things improve? Before this I have use: igb0, igb1, igb3 igb0@pci0:1:0:0:class=0x02 card=0x00018086 chip=0x15218086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' class = network subclass = ethernet igb1@pci0:1:0:1:class=0x02 card=0x00018086 chip=0x15218086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' class = network subclass = ethernet igb2@pci0:1:0:2:class=0x02 card=0x00018086 chip=0x15218086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' class = network subclass = ethernet igb3@pci0:1:0:3:class=0x02 card=0x00018086 chip=0x15218086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' class = network subclass = ethernet ifconfig_vlan100=inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 100 vlandev igb2 #nALL ifconfig_vlan101=inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 101 vlandev igb2 #n2 p24 ifconfig_vlan102=inet 192.168.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 102 vlandev igb2 #n1 p23 ifconfig_vlan103=inet 192.168.3.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 103 vlandev igb2 #n3 p22 ifconfig_vlan104=inet 192.168.4.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 104 vlandev igb2 #n7,9 p21 ifconfig_vlan105=inet 192.168.5.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 105 vlandev igb2 #n11 p20 ifconfig_vlan106=inet 192.168.6.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 106 vlandev igb2 #n13 p19 ifconfig_vlan107=inet 192.168.7.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 107 vlandev igb2 #n223 p18 ifconfig_vlan108=inet 192.168.8.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 108 vlandev igb2 #n225 p17 ifconfig_vlan109=inet 192.168.9.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 109 vlandev igb2 #n221 p16 ifconfig_vlan110=inet 192.168.10.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 110 vlandev igb2 #n229 p15 ifconfig_vlan111=inet 192.168.11.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 111 vlandev igb2 #n233 p14 ifconfig_vlan112=inet 192.168.12.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 112 vlandev igb2 #n231 p13 ifconfig_vlan113=inet 192.168.13.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 113 vlandev igb2 #n237 p12 ifconfig_vlan114=inet 192.168.14.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 114 vlandev igb2 #n424 p11 ifconfig_vlan115=inet 192.168.15.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 115 vlandev igb2 # PAP Nothing logged in /var/log/* or crashes that exist in /var/crash PAP would indicate to me some sort of hardware related problem. PAP Have you tested your hardware lately and know that it is in operational order? PAP ~Paul PAP On Mon, Apr 09, 2012 at 09:36:54PM +0300, ??? ??? wrote: Hi. Apr 9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY, CANNOT RUN FAST FSCK Apr 9 19:51:58 fsck: Apr 9 19:51:58 fsck: Apr 9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY. Apr 9 19:51:58 fsck: /dev/ad8s1e: CANNOT SET FS_NEEDSFSCK FLAG Apr 9 20:09:22 kernel: running manually: # fsck -y /dev/ad8s1e ** /dev/ad8s1e (NO WRITE) ** Last Mounted on /tmp ** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes ** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames ** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity ** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts ** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups 99 files, 10 used, 506477 free (45 frags, 63304 blocks, 0.0% fragmentation) Server reboot two or three time per day # uname -a FreeBSD flux 8.3-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 8.3-PRERELEASE #3 r231881: Fri Feb 24 17:07:48 UTC 2012 adm@flux:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v8 amd64 before this it works about month without problems /var/crash - empty, in /var/log/messages there is no any messages before crash. Can any help to fix problem? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: zpool creation on geli failed with FreeBSD-9.0
On 04/10/12 02:07, Christopher J. Ruwe wrote: I was trying to install FreeBSD 9.0 using a geli encrypted disk and ZFS on my ThinkPad R500 this weekend. I failed. Having sucessfully initialized the geli part and having attached the provider, my attempt to create a zpool on the geli section thus $ zpool create ntank /dev/ada0p2.eli failed with the message Cannot create 'ntank': invalid argument for this pool operation. I could not convince the system to create the zpool on the geli part, so I gave up and created the zpool on the unencrypted partition instead to have a working machine for the week. I would, however, like to have my data on an encrypted partition though. Has anyone witnessed and resolved this issue or does anyone have other ideas? Someone using ZFS will be able to verify this, but from my understanding ZFS runs on the hardware and you can *possibly* put geli on top of ZFS. You can put geom on ZFS but not the other way around. HTH ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Difficulties accessing optical drive from guest OS in VBox
Hi,
Not sure if this should be here orin freebsd-emulation, but thought it
worth a try:
Freebsd 9.0-RELEASE (GENERIC)
VBoxMange --version: 4.1.10_OSEr76795
Installed from Ports.
Window 7 as guest.
I can't access the host optical drive from the guest OS. I was able to
install it by dd'ing the install DVD to the harddrive, and VBox used
that beautifully.
It all works quite well, but whenever I try to use the actual optical
drive, I get a 'permissions error':
Unable to mount the CD/DVD Host Drive HL-DT-STDVDRAM GH24LS50 DVDRAM
GH24LS50 (cd0) on the machjine Windows_7_64bit. Would you like to
force mounting of this medium?
Could not mount the media/drive '/dev/cd0'
And the Details:
Interface:
IConsole {1968b7d3-e3bf-4ceb-99e0-cb7c913317bb}
Callee:
IMachine {5eaa9319-62fc-4b0a-843c-0cb1940f8a91}
Incidentally, inspite of the message, there is no force mount option
given, only 'cancel' and 'force unmount'.
I've followed the handbook and Wiki for the DVD/CD access, I'm in the
operator group, atapicam is loaded, hald is enabled and running and
the permissions for cd0, xpt0 and pass0 are all 0660.
I've also tried adding CD0 in the graphical interface before I start
the VM. Bizarrely, this caused VBox to try to boot from the DVD (even
though that is unchecked in the boot options).
The only other thing I've tried is to disable the automounting of
media with Gnome, in case that was interfering. No luck.
So, anyone have any ideas? They would be most appreciated.
Thanks for your time,
Scott
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Kind OFF Topic. FreeBSD for Blocking URLS? Nanny?
Hello all. I am sorry if this is kind OFF Topic. I am looking for help from more experienced people in these areas. Please let me know if this question should be moved to FREEBSD-CHAT list. As I have mentioned before I am helping a school , non profit with their IT issues. As always there are some experts that controls everything and do not let you change anything because is their kingdom. Anyway, there we have Internet service from a cable company and they have some cisco routers to receive the access and from there some Cisco Switches. In the classrooms we have very old PCs running XP. In some of my classes I am using Freebsd and Ubuntu running on a USB. So each student have one USB and they work that way booting from their 4GB USB stick. (it is slow but it has worked until now). One of the managers asked me for help to block some web sites were some students in the other lab and people that helps there waste bandwithd seeing videos, movies (youtube, cuevana, serieid, etc) and spend lot of time on facebook also. Our bandwidth is only 4Mb and you understand that with a few that are seeing movies and videos the rest of us can not work at all. Thing is that other manager (you know how those things are sometimes) do not want us to do that since his guru and expert is the one that controls all the Network. So the best we could get until now is that we can do all we can without touching the Cisco routers and until now not administrative password for change anything on the PCs (that could change one we prove that we can have the solution and show it to the board of people that runs the place). The Internet provider gives the DNS servers to use and one of the routers gives the DHCP service. First thing I thought was to change the DNS servers and use the one from my small office (running Freebsd 7.3) using Bind there and simply block there pointing the sites to nothing in the Apache configuration. It does not work. Once changed the DNS values the PC does not resolve anything. It was a quick test but that does not work. Not sure if Internet provider is blocking in some way that we can not use other DNS server but theirs. Other solution I was thinking while coming home was to convert one machine there to a freebsd server and use it as a router (if they let me) so that way I can control from there and do filtering. Issue is that maybe they do not let me but connect the server as an extra machine without replacing the main router so in that case I would have 2 DHCP servers doing the same service in the same lan and could be conflicts I guess. Another solution a friend suggested was to buy one small router (from my money for sure) and let that small router to receive the internet (RJ45) and from that with the small 4 port switch included to provide the internet to the switches to feed the labs , library and administrative offices. I have never use one of those and I am short on money so I would like to explore other alternatives before if possible. Finally another solution would be to install in each PC a kind of Nanny software but only if free, otherwise is not a solution (I do not know of any yet but will do searching the following hours). I know all can be solved if the guru-expert guy would let me have passwords from PC's, router, etc but that won't be an option since they think we would try to take the control of those services (we do not want that) so the burocracy could be a problem there. He have told them that to block is not possible (they have been working that way for years). So, in this kind of schema. Do you think FreeBSD (even linux) could be of help if we do not have access to routers, switches and can not install new software on the PCs( the ones running XP)? Any comments you have that could help me to solve this challenge? Thanks in advance for your time and comments. Jorge Biquez ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Kind OFF Topic. FreeBSD for Blocking URLS? Nanny?
I've been in this position before. Transparent proxy running Squid and Dansguardian will solve most of your problems. And having a local cache will help fix your low bandwidth issue. Your skill level and networking knowledge will determine how achievable this is, but it's a great solution when you have it in place. Good luck! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Kind OFF Topic. FreeBSD for Blocking URLS? Nanny?
Jorge Biquez writes: Any comments you have that could help me to solve this challenge? Yes. You do not have a technical problem. You have a management problem. Fix that, and the technical issues will be (comparatively) trivial. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Kind OFF Topic. FreeBSD for Blocking URLS? Nanny?
Hello. Yes I know and we ill do our best to solve it... but if that does not work, then I still will try to solve it technically in some way if possible. Jorge Biquez At 10:42 p.m. 09/04/2012, Robert Huff wrote: Jorge Biquez writes: Any comments you have that could help me to solve this challenge? Yes. You do not have a technical problem. You have a management problem. Fix that, and the technical issues will be (comparatively) trivial. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Kind OFF Topic. FreeBSD for Blocking URLS? Nanny?
On 04/10/12 13:46, Jorge Biquez wrote: Hello. Yes I know and we ill do our best to solve it... but if that does not work, then I still will try to solve it technically in some way if possible. For the interim (and as a POC), setup squid and dans guardian and point the browsers to proxy using that machine. Prove your point and then explain that this can be done transparently if you had some control of the routers. All that is necessary for transparent proxy is to reroute port 80 traffic from the network to the squid server then. HTH Jorge Biquez At 10:42 p.m. 09/04/2012, Robert Huff wrote: Jorge Biquez writes: Any comments you have that could help me to solve this challenge? Yes. You do not have a technical problem. You have a management problem. Fix that, and the technical issues will be (comparatively) trivial. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity
Mark Felder f...@feld.me wrote: Python on Planes is the future, mn. Shouldn't that be spelled plains, as in the places where the snake-containing grass grows? :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD's backwards webdesign / corporate identity
On 04/10/12 21:32, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Mark Felderf...@feld.me wrote: Python on Planes is the future, mn. Shouldn't that be spelled plains, as in the places where the snake-containing grass grows? :-) Ha! One would think so, but with ruby on rails one would think that python on plains wouldn't sound anywhere near as exciting or appear too quick. That and a shaded reference to a certain similarly titled movie with Samuel L Jackson- corny! :D ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
