Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system

2012-08-02 Thread Sergey Listopad
2012/8/1 jb jb.1234a...@gmail.com:
 Sergey Listopad psychosensor at gmail.com writes:


 Hi.

 I try to boot topic on retro dual PIII Intel L440GX+ based system. It
 is onboard AIC-7896 SCSI controller with 1 COMPAQ HDD. CDROM is IDE.
 When I try boot from installation CD, boot stuck on

 CD Loader 1.2
 ...
 BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.02
 Consoles: internal video/keyboard
 BIOS CD is cd0
 BIOS drive A: is disk0

 If I remove HDD, system (/boot/loader) boot from CD just fine. Then I
 insert HDD (hotswap) and able to install on it. But after reboot (with
 installation CD disk removed from drive) system unable to boot. And
 stuck on the same place, after
 ...
 BIOS drive A: is disk0

 Maybe anybody can help me to resolve this issue. I can post any
 additional information which may be helpful.

 Thanx.


 If FreeBSD boot loader can not find a root partition (slice), you can help
 with a boot parameter, for example
 vfs.root.mountfrom=ufs:ad4s4a

 After booting, verify and update /etc/fstab, otherwise add it to
 /boot/loader.conf .

 Also, the FreeBSD boot slice must be marked as bootable (active).
 jb

As you can see, bootstrap process stuck much earlier kernel
booting/root mounting. It stuck on loader stage (loader can't do
something. But what exactly?)

I've been able to boot system manually (so system on HDD is workable),
by skipping loader stage (boot kernel directly from boot block prompt)
   FreeBSD/i386 BOOT
 Default: 0:ad(0p2)/boot/loader
 boot:/boot/kernel/kernel

and then
mountroot ufs:/dev/da0p2
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Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system

2012-08-02 Thread jb
Sergey Listopad psychosensor at gmail.com writes:

 ... 
 As you can see, bootstrap process stuck much earlier kernel
 booting/root mounting. It stuck on loader stage (loader can't do
 something. But what exactly?)
 
 I've been able to boot system manually (so system on HDD is workable),
 by skipping loader stage (boot kernel directly from boot block prompt)
FreeBSD/i386 BOOT
  Default: 0:ad(0p2)/boot/loader
  boot:/boot/kernel/kernel
 
 and then
 mountroot ufs:/dev/da0p2

Some remarks that may be helpful.

fdisk(8)
...
 In order for the BIOS to boot the kernel, certain conventions must be
 adhered to.  Sector 0 of the disk must contain boot code, a slice table,
 and a magic number.  BIOS slices can be used to break the disk up into
 several pieces.  The BIOS brings in sector 0 and verifies the magic num-
 ber.  The sector 0 boot code then searches the slice table to determine
 which slice is marked ``active''.  This boot code then brings in the
 bootstrap from the active slice and, if marked bootable, runs it. ...

boot0cfg(8)  -- boot manager installation/configuration utility
 
To see the first 512 bytes of your first harddisk:
# dd if=/dev/ada0 count=1 | hexdump -C

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/boot-blocks.html
 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-trouble.html
... here is this weird BIOS, IDE, SCSI disk numbering stuff ...

jb




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buggy awk regex handling?

2012-08-02 Thread kaltheat


Hi,

I tried to replace three letters with three letters by awk using the 
sub-routine.
I assumed that my regular expression does mean the following:

match if three letters of any letter of alphabet occurs anywhere in input

$ echo AbC | awk '{sub(/[[:alpha:]]{3}/,cBa); print;}'
AbC

As you can see the result was unexpected.
When I try doing it for at least one letter, it works:

$ echo AbC | awk '{sub(/[[:alpha:]]+/,cBa); print;}'
cBa

Same problem without macro:

$ echo AbC | awk '{sub(/[A-Za-z]{3}/,cBa); print;}'
AbC

$ echo AbC | awk '{sub(/[A-Za-z]+/,cBa); print;}'
cBa

I thought that it might have something to do with the curly braces. But escaping
them doesn't do the trick.

What am I doing wrong?
Or is awk buggy?

Regards,
kaltheat

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Re: buggy awk regex handling?

2012-08-02 Thread RW
On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 13:20:52 +0200
kaltheat wrote:

 
 
 Hi,
 
 I tried to replace three letters with three letters by awk using the
 sub-routine. I assumed that my regular expression does mean the
 following:
 
 match if three letters of any letter of alphabet occurs anywhere in
 input
 
 $ echo AbC | awk '{sub(/[[:alpha:]]{3}/,cBa); print;}'
 AbC
 
 As you can see the result was unexpected.
 When I try doing it for at least one letter, it works:
 
 $ echo AbC | awk '{sub(/[[:alpha:]]+/,cBa); print;}'
 cBa
 ...
 What am I doing wrong?
 Or is awk buggy?

Traditional awk implementations don't support {n}, but I think POSIX
implementations should. 
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Re: buggy awk regex handling?

2012-08-02 Thread Warren Block

On Thu, 2 Aug 2012, RW wrote:


On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 13:20:52 +0200
kaltheat wrote:


I tried to replace three letters with three letters by awk using the
sub-routine. I assumed that my regular expression does mean the
following:

match if three letters of any letter of alphabet occurs anywhere in
input

$ echo AbC | awk '{sub(/[[:alpha:]]{3}/,cBa); print;}'
AbC

As you can see the result was unexpected.
When I try doing it for at least one letter, it works:

$ echo AbC | awk '{sub(/[[:alpha:]]+/,cBa); print;}'
cBa
...
What am I doing wrong?
Or is awk buggy?


Traditional awk implementations don't support {n}, but I think POSIX
implementations should.


Using gawk instead of awk agrees with that.  Printing the result of the 
sub (the number of substitutions performed) makes it a little more 
clear:


% echo AbC | awk '{print sub(/[[:alpha:]]{3}/,cBa); print;}'
0
AbC

% echo AbC | gawk '{print sub(/[[:alpha:]]{3}/,cBa); print;}'
1
cBa

sed can handle it:

% echo AbC | sed -E 's/[[:alpha:]]{3}/cBa/'
cBa
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Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system

2012-08-02 Thread jb
Sergey Listopad psychosensor at gmail.com writes:

 ... 
 As you can see, bootstrap process stuck much earlier kernel
 booting/root mounting. It stuck on loader stage (loader can't do
 something. But what exactly?)
 
 I've been able to boot system manually (so system on HDD is workable),
 by skipping loader stage (boot kernel directly from boot block prompt)
FreeBSD/i386 BOOT
  Default: 0:ad(0p2)/boot/loader
  boot:/boot/kernel/kernel

OK. So it looks like you have succeeded with stage 1 and 2.
At this point the boot slice is known - the boot process knows where to find
defaults. 
After that stage 3 should be auto-executed, but it does not.

At this point check if you have /boot.config by chance. This file, if exists,
may contain options modifying stages of the boot process, in this case
the transition from stage 2 to 3 is of interest.
Check it out and, if applies, read BOOT.CONFIG(5) and its examples.

jb


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Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system

2012-08-02 Thread Sergey Listopad
2012/8/2 jb jb.1234a...@gmail.com:
 Sergey Listopad psychosensor at gmail.com writes:

 ...
 As you can see, bootstrap process stuck much earlier kernel
 booting/root mounting. It stuck on loader stage (loader can't do
 something. But what exactly?)

 I've been able to boot system manually (so system on HDD is workable),
 by skipping loader stage (boot kernel directly from boot block prompt)
FreeBSD/i386 BOOT
  Default: 0:ad(0p2)/boot/loader
  boot:/boot/kernel/kernel

 OK. So it looks like you have succeeded with stage 1 and 2.
 At this point the boot slice is known - the boot process knows where to find
 defaults.
 After that stage 3 should be auto-executed, but it does not.
It is auto-executed, but stuck.

So far I have system with GPT partitioning scheme. To exclude this
layer, I've reinstall system with MBR scheme, but loader(8) stuck in
the same place.

BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.02
Consoles: internal video/keyboard
BIOS drive A: is disk0


 At this point check if you have /boot.config by chance. This file, if exists,
 may contain options modifying stages of the boot process, in this case
 the transition from stage 2 to 3 is of interest.
 Check it out and, if applies, read BOOT.CONFIG(5) and its examples.

 jb


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Problem with sendmail update

2012-08-02 Thread Mervyn Passmore
Hi,

Hope someone can help. we're stuck trying to update Sendmail from 8.14.3 to
8.14.5

We've made  installed 8.14.5 and both the new and old versions seem to be
installed and running according to PS. Whatever is starting sendmail is
initiating the old version.

How can we remove the 8.14.3 version or get the 8.14.5 version to run? Our
PCI compliance is failing due to issues with the old version.

Help much appreciated, 

Thanks

Mervyn



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Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system

2012-08-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar


BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.02
Consoles: internal video/keyboard
BIOS drive A: is disk0



all suggestions before seems like not reading your problem 
description.


third stage boot loader fails. at that stage it still uses BIOS calls to 
access disks. Your controller's firmware do something wrong, or FreeBSD 
bootloader do something wrong.


I suggest you to prepare bootable media with just /boot directory that can 
boot, and put


vfs.root.mountfrom=ufs:yourrootpartition

in loader.conf

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Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system

2012-08-02 Thread jb
Sergey Listopad psychosensor at gmail.com writes:

 ... 
 So far I have system with GPT partitioning scheme. To exclude this
 layer, I've reinstall system with MBR scheme, but loader(8) stuck in
 the same place.
 
 BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.02
 Consoles: internal video/keyboard
 BIOS drive A: is disk0

How about setting this (based on /boot/defaults/loader.conf) in file
/boot/loader.conf:
verbose_loading=YES# Set to YES for verbose loader output

For the sake of debugging, I assume you do not have any of these:
loader_conf_files=/boot/device.hints /boot/loader.conf /boot/loader.conf.local
as it seems to be a new installation.

Are you getting more debugging output ?
jb


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Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system

2012-08-02 Thread jb
Wojciech Puchar wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl writes:

 ... 
 I suggest you to prepare bootable media with just /boot directory that can 
 boot, and put
 
 vfs.root.mountfrom=ufs:yourrootpartition
 
 in loader.conf

I have already suggested that in the post above.
jb
 




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Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?

2012-08-02 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 01:39:21PM +, Traiano Welcome wrote:
 
 even if not  it's just matter to add proper licence to right ports in
 port tree and require user to accept it.
 
 Probably won't even have to do  that. People can download, compile and
 run whatever they want on a base operating system, but as long as the
 base operating system (FreeBSD in our case) remains legally
 un-encumbered with patented code, nobody really cares. If individual
 users decide they want to compile and run copyrighted software on
 FreeBSD (or linux) it will be a matter between M$ and the particular
 user in question, not the community providing the base OS and user
 space tools.
 
 The SCO-IBM  debacle some years ago triggered a huge review of open
 source copyrights in the linux (and *bsd) community. SCO failed to get
 anything back then, and it's hard to imagine how M$ will get anything
 now that  there's broader awareness in the community around software
 patent infringement.

Unfortunately, patent law and copyright law are very different
environments.  The truth is that probably every nontrivial piece of
software created infringes several patents, and the only question that
remains is whether those patents would hold up in court under close
scrutiny.  The greater the disparity in legal expertise and funding
behind the two parties, the greater the likelihood that the case will be
found in favor of the party with the greater resources.

This is the reason software patents comprise such a blight on the world
of software development.  Even a frivolous patent that would not hold up
through completion of litigation may serve its purpose by bankrupting a
defendant before the case is concluded.

It is possible that Microsoft is going the way of SCO -- into its grave,
having hung all its hopes on litigation.  Along the way, though, it will
probably do a lot of damage to a lot of people, projects, and businesses,
and I just hope it doesn't get as far as the FreeBSD project or any
FreeBSD users before things come crashing down.

(disclaimer: I am not a lawyer.  This is not legal advice.  Et cetera.)

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Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?

2012-08-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar

It is possible that Microsoft is going the way of SCO -- into its grave,


true. Microsoft know it is falling.

People got fed up with microsoft. They now want even worse and more dumb 
software and hardware.

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Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?

2012-08-02 Thread Jerry
On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 22:49:37 +0200 (CEST)
Wojciech Puchar articulated:

 true. Microsoft know it is falling.
 
 People got fed up with microsoft. They now want even worse and more
 dumb software and hardware.

You do realize that, that statement can be construed as a condemnation
of non-Microsoft software, AKA open-source?

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Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?

2012-08-02 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
 It is possible that Microsoft is going the way of SCO -- into its grave,
 having hung all its hopes on litigation.  Along the way, though, it will
 probably do a lot of damage to a lot of people, projects, and businesses,
 and I just hope it doesn't get as far as the FreeBSD project or any
 FreeBSD users before things come crashing down.

Right!

Let's also hope that most patents that could harm us (should there
be some lurking out there) will have expired by then. Unless Congress
pulls a Mickey Mouse Protection Act-lookalike on patents by extending
them just as they did with Copyright.

But as usual with Congress, I wouldn't hold my breath: they aren't
exactly known for enacting reasonable and sensible laws. Especially
not when heavily lobbied by mega corps with deep pockets like MSFT,
Oracle, Apple and so on. Yes, things will get really nasty once those
corporations go the way of the SCO.

 (disclaimer: I am not a lawyer.  This is not legal advice.  Et cetera.)

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Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?

2012-08-02 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi,

On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 12:57:59 -0600
Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:

 On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 01:39:21PM +, Traiano Welcome wrote:
  
 Unfortunately, patent law and copyright law are very different
 environments.  The truth is that probably every nontrivial piece of

yes.

 software created infringes several patents, and the only question that
 remains is whether those patents would hold up in court under close

The best tool against any patents is prior art.

The open source scene misses a very simple platform. Even FreeBSD could
offer an extra list named 'prior-art' on which people can publish their
ideas. The moment the server starts distributing the e-mail, nobody can
claim a patent anywhere in the world for the idea mentioned.

 scrutiny.  The greater the disparity in legal expertise and funding
 behind the two parties, the greater the likelihood that the case will
 be found in favor of the party with the greater resources.

Not true for cases of prior art.
 
 This is the reason software patents comprise such a blight on the
 world of software development.  Even a frivolous patent that would

There is no difference for an engineer who works in other fields.

 not hold up through completion of litigation may serve its purpose by
 bankrupting a defendant before the case is concluded.

That party must have a real dumb patent attorney then.
 
 It is possible that Microsoft is going the way of SCO -- into its
 grave, having hung all its hopes on litigation.  Along the way,
 though, it will probably do a lot of damage to a lot of people,
 projects, and businesses, and I just hope it doesn't get as far as
 the FreeBSD project or any FreeBSD users before things come crashing
 down.
 
It is all in the people's mind.

 (disclaimer: I am not a lawyer.  This is not legal advice.  Et
 cetera.)
 
This is an example of the real problem.

Erich
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Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system

2012-08-02 Thread jb
Sergey Listopad psychosensor at gmail.com writes:

 
 Hi.
 
 I try to boot topic on retro dual PIII Intel L440GX+ based system. It
 is onboard AIC-7896 SCSI controller with 1 COMPAQ HDD. CDROM is IDE.
 When I try boot from installation CD, boot stuck on
 
 CD Loader 1.2
 ...
 BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.02
 Consoles: internal video/keyboard
 BIOS CD is cd0
 BIOS drive A: is disk0
 
 If I remove HDD, system (/boot/loader) boot from CD just fine. Then I
 insert HDD (hotswap) and able to install on it. But after reboot (with
 installation CD disk removed from drive) system unable to boot. And
 stuck on the same place, after
 ...
 BIOS drive A: is disk0
 
 Maybe anybody can help me to resolve this issue. I can post any
 additional information which may be helpful.
 
 Thanx.
 

This has been reported for FreeBSD and PC-BSD for quite some time.

The booting sequence always looks like this:
...
BIOS drive A: is disk0    last message seen
BIOS drive B: is disk1    or this
...

Based on Google search results:
- solved by disabling SATA in BIOS
- combination of IDE (ATA) and SATA disks caused a problem, disconnecting 
  either one solved it; it could also mean a problem with hd device driver
- old/buggy firmware; BIOS update solved the problem
- disable ACPI, or Firewire, or USB emulation, or ... in BIOS :-)
- A wild guess could be that there's something on the RAID volume that's
  keeping the boot loader from working. Maybe the partition table is wrong
  in a subtle way? If you can get the RAID array to work *after* you boot
  from a FreeBSD installation CD (i.e. boot the machine without the
  drives, add drives later), try clearing the first megabyte of the array
  (dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/yourdrive bs=1m count=1).
- With my rocketraid somethingsomething PCI-SATA2 card with disks
  connected crashes the BTX loader. Connecting the disks to the internal
  via epia motherboard solved the problem ...
  I have a feeling that it might be some combinations of BTX, BIOS and
  RAID firmware that causes these crashes.
- CC'ing John Baldwin on this, as he has knowledge of BTX's internals.

For those of you who are adventurous:
http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/sys/boot/i386/loader/

jb


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Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?

2012-08-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar

dumb software and hardware.


You do realize that, that statement can be construed as a condemnation
of non-Microsoft software, AKA open-source?
don't generalize everything. There are good software, bad software, closed 
source software, open source software.


There are great open source software and complete trash open source 
software.


now market is completely filled with personal computers and laptops, now 
people want to get smartphones, tablets, whatever where microsoft 
already lost.


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