Re: pwd.db/spwd.db file corupption when having unsafe system poweroff

2013-05-01 Thread takCoder
Excuse me again..

i was trying to test the situation explained here, so i just defined a user
with pw command, waited for 2minutes and then power off the system.. Again
i couldn't login anymore..

if we assume that, pw is still working with db files after 2 minutes, the
question is that, is it usual for a command to keep db files busy, this
long??
or is it pw problem?
or is t something else that i'm missing??

thank you :)


Best Regards,
t.a.k


On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 9:10 PM, takCoder tak.offic...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi again,

 real thanks to all of you; for really complete and clear answers.. it's
 amazing to have a clear view of what's on, when you need to deal with it. :)

 as a quick conclusion, for now:
 1- i inserted a shell file to /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ which runs pwd_mkdb
 /etc/master.passwd and tested it.. the error mentioned in this email's
 title is no more seen in frequent tests.. (but i don't think it's that good
 to use a mkdb command this frequently.. right? for me, it was somehow a
 test..)

 2- the notes mentioned about fsck was nice.. cause before this, we've
 faced uncleaned FS in the mentioned condition and we where in doubt where
 the automate fsck had gone?? ;)
  i think it's better to test the foreground fsck just in case.. for sure,
 background fsck has its own benefits.. but, any benefits has its own
 costs.. :)

 3- this power-key  functionality setting, is what i'll work on, as it
 seems helpful, in near future.. but, i think for this thread, it would be
 off-topic somehow to talk about its details.. i'll try to write them back,
 on related thread, if required and if it was new..

 BTW, it was _really_ of  hardware knowledge.. ;)

 again, thank you. :)

 Best Regards,
 t.a.k


 On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:

 Allow me a few additions:

 On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 16:45:59 -0400, Michael Powell wrote:
  Pressing the power button for 4 seconds as described is invoking the
 ACPI
  layer to stimulate call(s) down to the system BIOS.

 No. In most (but of course not all) default settings the
 long press will forcedly (and with _no_ message to the OS)
 turn off the system's power.

 The short press will emit the ACPI signal to the OS to
 deal with the power-off sequence itself.

 Still it's possible to have a different programming for the
 button. For example, it seems to be common to have this
 button perform a ACPI sleep, ACPI hibernate or ACPI
 powersafe mode on short press, and (as you mentioned)
 the ACPI power down on long press.

 But as I said: _What_ the button actually does is defined
 in the CMOS setup.


 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Configuration_and_Power_Interface#Power_states

 have a look at this page to find out more about the various
 possible signals (power states).



  Whatever is set in the
  BIOS wrt to power control and various power-savings modes are passed
 through
  the ACPI layer. The problem with this is the acpi module in FreeBSD
 may, or
  may not, be a perfect implementation for every possible piece of
 hardware in
  existance.

 This statement especially applies in regards to laptops, where
 closing the lid can also trigger a specific signal, and opening
 the device again sends another signal. Vendors don't agree on
 how to properly do this, so there are many different ACPI
 implementations.

 % ls /boot/kernel/acpi*
 /boot/kernel/acpi.ko*   /boot/kernel/acpi_ibm.ko*
 /boot/kernel/acpi_aiboost.ko*   /boot/kernel/acpi_panasonic.ko*
 /boot/kernel/acpi_asus.ko*  /boot/kernel/acpi_sony.ko*
 /boot/kernel/acpi_dock.ko*  /boot/kernel/acpi_toshiba.ko*
 /boot/kernel/acpi_fujitsu.ko*   /boot/kernel/acpi_video.ko*
 /boot/kernel/acpi_hp.ko*/boot/kernel/acpi_wmi.ko*

 You can see from this example that FreeBSD only supports a
 subset of what can be considered possible. Of course there
 are many fields of compatibility, but it may still result
 in specific hardware not working properly -- mostly in the
 area of laptops and their accessories (like docking stations).



  The piece of that which really concerns me are individual
  manufactuer BIOS quirks can be just enough 'off' so as to misbehave
 even when
  the FreeBSD acpi implentation is basically sound.

 Even though I did not experience that myself, it can be
 considered possible. A sloppy ACPI implementation can
 be the source of many kinds of trouble, even involving
 such simple devices like a power button.



  The jist of this is (IMHO
  here - YMMV) is I consider it a bad procedure to turn off a server as
 you've
  described.

 Definitely. :-)



  Use the shutdown command properly instead. I would never do what
  your coworker did to any of my servers.

 A mechanicl protection could prevent that.



  Caveat being sometimes you have no
  other choice but to do a hard power-down. A hard power-down is done by
 using
  the switch on the power supply, and not using the ACPI/BIOS from
 pressing
  the power switch on the front.

 This is also 

Re: pwd.db/spwd.db file corupption when having unsafe system poweroff

2013-05-01 Thread Polytropon
On Wed, 1 May 2013 12:58:49 +0430, takCoder wrote:
 Excuse me again..
 
 i was trying to test the situation explained here, so i just defined a user
 with pw command, waited for 2minutes and then power off the system.. Again
 i couldn't login anymore..
 
 if we assume that, pw is still working with db files after 2 minutes, the
 question is that, is it usual for a command to keep db files busy, this
 long??
 or is it pw problem?
 or is t something else that i'm missing??

For login processes, the plain text files and the database
files are involved. The pw command will modify all of them
if you add a new user. The 2 minutes problem should not
be related to pw (or pwd_mkdb), but maybe due to syncing.
File system access (here: write) is done asynchronously,
so the system will decide when it will sync the memory
buffers with the (non-volatile) disk content. This task
involves both the sync() call and how the actual disk
driver acts to it. Note: Just because someone calls sync()
does _not_ imply that the synchronisation takes place in
that exact moment. But it should not require several
minutes to complete the write and bring the files into
the required state (on disk).

Furthermore, file system corruption due to an abrupt
cut of power should be avoided. Whenever the system comes
up in a non-clean state, fsck should be run first, _then_
the boot process should continue. Still it's possible that
this process leaves truncated files behind (e. g. the
binary database files with a length of zero, which implies
they will have to be rebuilt by pwd_mkdb).

Alternatively to pw, you could try adduser, which is more
an interactive program, but can perform the same tasks.
Again, it would take care of updating all required files.
This is the situation one would expect after the program
ended, or at least some seconds after one got back to the
root prompt.

During the 2 minutes, you could use programs like lsof
(it's in ports) to check if a program has a file open,
so you could capture the power off while writing to
file incident.

After you could not login again, did you check the
files involved in the login process? Those should include:

/etc/passwd
/etc/master.passwd
/etc/group
/etc/pwd.db
/etc/spwd.db

Probably also /etc/login.conf and /etc/login.conf.db, but
I think those are not critical to the success of a login
attempt per se.



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Re: freesbd-update Continuously Wants to Update linker.hints

2013-05-01 Thread Stephan Schindel
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 04:37:52PM -0500, Ryan Frederick wrote:
 I have a number of boxes running 9.1-RELEASE (amd64) that I updated to 
 p3 yesterday via freebsd-update. However freebsd-update still indicates 
 that linker.hints needs to be updated. Running `freebsd-update install` 
 appears to install a new linker.hints file but still doesn't appear to 
 satisfy freebsd-update. Incidentally I have another amd64 system that I 
 did a clean install on last week, and it isn't exhibiting the same 
 issue. Has/is anyone run(ning) into this issue?
 
 Ryan
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Yes, same happens to me too. Sorry, but I guess there is a problem on
the server side. Hopefully it gets fixed soon.

Stephan


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Re: freesbd-update Continuously Wants to Update linker.hints

2013-05-01 Thread Paul Macdonald

On 01/05/2013 11:06, Stephan Schindel wrote:

On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 04:37:52PM -0500, Ryan Frederick wrote:

I have a number of boxes running 9.1-RELEASE (amd64) that I updated to
p3 yesterday via freebsd-update. However freebsd-update still indicates
that linker.hints needs to be updated. Running `freebsd-update install`
appears to install a new linker.hints file but still doesn't appear to
satisfy freebsd-update. Incidentally I have another amd64 system that I
did a clean install on last week, and it isn't exhibiting the same
issue. Has/is anyone run(ning) into this issue?

Ryan
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Yes, same happens to me too. Sorry, but I guess there is a problem on
the server side. Hopefully it gets fixed soon.

Stephan

same here on multiple boxes, you beat me to posting !

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pkgng repositories

2013-05-01 Thread Quark
Hello List,

FreeBSD home page say it is still fixing some security breach and ETA is 
unknown.
Does some noble soul maintain any publically accessible pkgng repo?
Security is not much of a concern, it is going to live in VM.

Building from ports is cumbersome for likes KDE, Xorg et. al.


thanks,
Quark

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Re: pkgng repositories

2013-05-01 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Quark unixuser2000-f...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hello List,

 FreeBSD home page say it is still fixing some security breach and ETA is
 unknown.
 Does some noble soul maintain any publically accessible pkgng repo?
 Security is not much of a concern, it is going to live in VM.

 Building from ports is cumbersome for likes KDE, Xorg et. al.


 thanks,
 Quark


http://mirror.exonetric.net/pub/pkgng/


Thank you very much .

Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
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Re: pkgng repositories

2013-05-01 Thread Mark Felder

On Wed, 01 May 2013 08:54:33 -0500, Quark unixuser2000-f...@yahoo.com
wrote:


Does some noble soul maintain any publically accessible pkgng repo?


PCBSD has one!

ftp://ftp.pcbsd.org/pub/mirror/packages/9.1-RELEASE/amd64/ (or i386)
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Re: pkgng repositories

2013-05-01 Thread Eric S Pulley

 On Wed, 01 May 2013 08:54:33 -0500, Quark unixuser2000-f...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

 Does some noble soul maintain any publically accessible pkgng repo?

 PCBSD has one!

 ftp://ftp.pcbsd.org/pub/mirror/packages/9.1-RELEASE/amd64/ (or i386)
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Also if I remember right Xorg and KDE4 are included on the release DVD image.

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fsck -y and SU+J

2013-05-01 Thread RW
I see that if you run fsck on a filesystem with SU+J turned-on, fsck
asks whether you want to use the journal.

This causes a problem when running fsck -y. The traditional meaning of
this command was: do a thorough, unconditional, non-interactive check;
but now SU+J filesystems only get a journal sync.

I can't even see the point in the question, surely someone that was
content to use the journal would do a preen.

This in 10-CURRENT. I'm not sure if it's like this in 9.1 or 9-STABLE, I
only spent a week there trying to get intel kms graphics working on new
hardware, so I'm new to SU+J.
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Re: pkgng repositories

2013-05-01 Thread Masoom Shaikh
yes, it does, bit dated though.


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  On Wed, 01 May 2013 08:54:33 -0500, Quark 
 unixuser2000-f...@yahoo.com
  wrote:
 
  Does some noble soul maintain any publically accessible pkgng repo?
 
  PCBSD has one!
 
  ftp://ftp.pcbsd.org/pub/mirror/packages/9.1-RELEASE/amd64/ (or i386)
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Re: pkgng repositories

2013-05-01 Thread Quark
thanks guys, Mark  Mehmt 


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 On Wed, 01 May 2013 08:54:33 -0500, Quark unixuser2000-f...@yahoo.com
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  Does some noble soul maintain any publically accessible pkgng repo?
 
 PCBSD has one!
 
 ftp://ftp.pcbsd.org/pub/mirror/packages/9.1-RELEASE/amd64/ (or i386)
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Re: Kernel Modules Documentation?

2013-05-01 Thread Walter Hurry
On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:07:13 -0400, ill...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 30 April 2013 09:39, Walter Hurry walterhu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 FreeBSD 9.1 on amd64.

 I have a list of about 220 kernel modules and would like to find out
 what they do, or are for (none has a man page). I suspect that many of
 them are drivers for particular devices.

 Is there any resource or documentation available?

 Thanks.

 P.S. Here are the first few:
 ahc_eisa ahc_isa ahc_pci alias_cuseeme


 Yes, the modules names aren't always exactly the man page name. 
 Stubborn  inventive use of apropos  locate ( reading through stuff in
 /usr/src/sys/modules/ ) can help, but not everything is obvious.
 
 ahc(4) covers the first few.
 
 libalias(3) appears to be the only thing to even parenthetically
 mentions cuseeme (NB I didn't run grep over the whole dang filesystem,
 though).
 
 Most of the if_something are under something(4).
 
 For the geom_blahblah, see if it's covered by something mentioned in the
 SEE ALSO sexion of geom(8) or geom(4).

Thanks to all for the pointers. With a little digging around, I have 
managed to reduce the 220 to zero, and now have all 643 (9.1 on amd64) 
briefly documented.

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Re: Kernel Modules Documentation?

2013-05-01 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Walter Hurry walterhu...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:07:13 -0400, ill...@gmail.com wrote:

  On 30 April 2013 09:39, Walter Hurry walterhu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  FreeBSD 9.1 on amd64.
 
  I have a list of about 220 kernel modules and would like to find out
  what they do, or are for (none has a man page). I suspect that many of
  them are drivers for particular devices.
 
  Is there any resource or documentation available?
 
  Thanks.
 
  P.S. Here are the first few:
  ahc_eisa ahc_isa ahc_pci alias_cuseeme
 
 
  Yes, the modules names aren't always exactly the man page name.
  Stubborn  inventive use of apropos  locate ( reading through stuff in
  /usr/src/sys/modules/ ) can help, but not everything is obvious.
 
  ahc(4) covers the first few.
 
  libalias(3) appears to be the only thing to even parenthetically
  mentions cuseeme (NB I didn't run grep over the whole dang filesystem,
  though).
 
  Most of the if_something are under something(4).
 
  For the geom_blahblah, see if it's covered by something mentioned in the
  SEE ALSO sexion of geom(8) or geom(4).

 Thanks to all for the pointers. With a little digging around, I have
 managed to reduce the 220 to zero, and now have all 643 (9.1 on amd64)
 briefly documented.




If there is a list of them ,
is it possible to post that list to share it ?

I think , it will be very useful as a reference .

Thank you very much .

Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
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Re: freesbd-update Continuously Wants to Update linker.hints

2013-05-01 Thread Alexandre
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Paul Macdonald p...@ifdnrg.com wrote:

 On 01/05/2013 11:06, Stephan Schindel wrote:

 On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 04:37:52PM -0500, Ryan Frederick wrote:

 I have a number of boxes running 9.1-RELEASE (amd64) that I updated to
 p3 yesterday via freebsd-update. However freebsd-update still indicates
 that linker.hints needs to be updated. Running `freebsd-update install`
 appears to install a new linker.hints file but still doesn't appear to
 satisfy freebsd-update. Incidentally I have another amd64 system that I
 did a clean install on last week, and it isn't exhibiting the same
 issue. Has/is anyone run(ning) into this issue?

 Ryan
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 Yes, same happens to me too. Sorry, but I guess there is a problem on
 the server side. Hopefully it gets fixed soon.

 Stephan

 same here on multiple boxes, you beat me to posting !

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After upgrading my FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE-p3 using freebsd-update tool, I
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Updating a broken link in page -http://adsm.vstyle.co.il/es/news/newsflash.html

2013-05-01 Thread Dan Catana

Hello,
I have bumped into your site while seeking for software and found your 
website very interesting :)
Just a quick note, http://www.cdrom.com/is no longer active, and 
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I was wondering if you don't mind updating the link to the updated 
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professional reviews and user ratings.
We are now in a process of updating the links in websites all around the 
world and I will appreciate your cooperation.

I am sure your *users will find it useful**.*
Thanks,
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svnsync and local changes

2013-05-01 Thread Dan Lists
Back when cvsup was in use, I mirrored the ports with cvsup-mirror.  Then I
could add files and make changes.  My servers used my repository so they
always had my changes and I only had to do them once.

I am trying to replicate the same setup now that subversion is used.  I've
set up svnsync, and that works fine.  I was able to add files with 'svn
add' and 'svn commit'.  My servers properly download all the new files.
The problem is I can no longer use svnsync.  Now it gives me Destination
HEAD (316955) is not the last merged revision (316951).I've tried
removing my files with 'svn rm', but that just changes the number in the
error.   Is there some way to get this to work with svnsync?

Is there a better way for me to have a local repository that includes local
changes?

Thanks,

Dan
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Re: Kernel Modules Documentation?

2013-05-01 Thread doug



On Wed, 1 May 2013, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:


On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Walter Hurry walterhu...@gmail.com wrote:


On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:07:13 -0400, ill...@gmail.com wrote:


On 30 April 2013 09:39, Walter Hurry walterhu...@gmail.com wrote:


FreeBSD 9.1 on amd64.

I have a list of about 220 kernel modules and would like to find out
what they do, or are for (none has a man page). I suspect that many of
them are drivers for particular devices.

Is there any resource or documentation available?


fxr.watson.org is a kernel source cross ref
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Re: svnsync and local changes

2013-05-01 Thread Outback Dingo
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Dan Lists lists@gmail.com wrote:

 Back when cvsup was in use, I mirrored the ports with cvsup-mirror.  Then I
 could add files and make changes.  My servers used my repository so they
 always had my changes and I only had to do them once.

 I am trying to replicate the same setup now that subversion is used.  I've
 set up svnsync, and that works fine.  I was able to add files with 'svn
 add' and 'svn commit'.  My servers properly download all the new files.
 The problem is I can no longer use svnsync.  Now it gives me Destination
 HEAD (316955) is not the last merged revision (316951).I've tried
 removing my files with 'svn rm', but that just changes the number in the
 error.   Is there some way to get this to work with svnsync?

 Is there a better way for me to have a local repository that includes local
 changes?

 Thanks,


I do something identical only i use git, and it works fine with local
changes and upstream merges,
though im pretty sure svn is capable also


 Dan
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Re: Kernel Modules Documentation?

2013-05-01 Thread Walter Hurry
On Wed, 01 May 2013 12:57:26 -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:

 On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Walter Hurry walterhu...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:07:13 -0400, ill...@gmail.com wrote:

  On 30 April 2013 09:39, Walter Hurry walterhu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  FreeBSD 9.1 on amd64.
 
  I have a list of about 220 kernel modules and would like to find out
  what they do, or are for (none has a man page). I suspect that many
  of them are drivers for particular devices.
 
  Is there any resource or documentation available?
 
  Thanks.
 
  P.S. Here are the first few:
  ahc_eisa ahc_isa ahc_pci alias_cuseeme
 
 
  Yes, the modules names aren't always exactly the man page name.
  Stubborn  inventive use of apropos  locate ( reading through stuff
  in /usr/src/sys/modules/ ) can help, but not everything is obvious.
 
  ahc(4) covers the first few.
 
  libalias(3) appears to be the only thing to even parenthetically
  mentions cuseeme (NB I didn't run grep over the whole dang
  filesystem, though).
 
  Most of the if_something are under something(4).
 
  For the geom_blahblah, see if it's covered by something mentioned in
  the SEE ALSO sexion of geom(8) or geom(4).

 Thanks to all for the pointers. With a little digging around, I have
 managed to reduce the 220 to zero, and now have all 643 (9.1 on amd64)
 briefly documented.



 
 If there is a list of them ,
 is it possible to post that list to share it ?
 
 I think , it will be very useful as a reference .

Well, it's far from perfect but yes, I can put it somewhere for download. 
How would you like it? CSV? Spreadsheet, Text file?


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Re: Kernel Modules Documentation?

2013-05-01 Thread Walter Hurry
On Wed, 01 May 2013 18:31:47 -0400, doug wrote:

 On Wed, 1 May 2013, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:
 
 On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Walter Hurry walterhu...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:07:13 -0400, ill...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 30 April 2013 09:39, Walter Hurry walterhu...@gmail.com wrote:

 FreeBSD 9.1 on amd64.

 I have a list of about 220 kernel modules and would like to find out
 what they do, or are for (none has a man page). I suspect that many
 of them are drivers for particular devices.

 Is there any resource or documentation available?
 
 fxr.watson.org is a kernel source cross ref

Indeed. fxr.watson.org was most helpful.

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Re: Kernel Modules Documentation?

2013-05-01 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Walter Hurry walterhu...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, 01 May 2013 12:57:26 -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:

  On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Walter Hurry walterhu...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:07:13 -0400, ill...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   On 30 April 2013 09:39, Walter Hurry walterhu...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   FreeBSD 9.1 on amd64.
  
   I have a list of about 220 kernel modules and would like to find out
   what they do, or are for (none has a man page). I suspect that many
   of them are drivers for particular devices.
  
   Is there any resource or documentation available?
  
   Thanks.
  
   P.S. Here are the first few:
   ahc_eisa ahc_isa ahc_pci alias_cuseeme
  
  
   Yes, the modules names aren't always exactly the man page name.
   Stubborn  inventive use of apropos  locate ( reading through stuff
   in /usr/src/sys/modules/ ) can help, but not everything is obvious.
  
   ahc(4) covers the first few.
  
   libalias(3) appears to be the only thing to even parenthetically
   mentions cuseeme (NB I didn't run grep over the whole dang
   filesystem, though).
  
   Most of the if_something are under something(4).
  
   For the geom_blahblah, see if it's covered by something mentioned in
   the SEE ALSO sexion of geom(8) or geom(4).
 
  Thanks to all for the pointers. With a little digging around, I have
  managed to reduce the 220 to zero, and now have all 643 (9.1 on amd64)
  briefly documented.
 
 
 
 
  If there is a list of them ,
  is it possible to post that list to share it ?
 
  I think , it will be very useful as a reference .

 Well, it's far from perfect but yes, I can put it somewhere for download.
 How would you like it? CSV? Spreadsheet, Text file?



Text file .

Thank you very much .

Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
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