Re: Addition to BSDstats
On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 02:56:49PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: Maybe some sort of 'Server Running *BSD' icon / link from web sites to bsdstats.org would help too ... Not all BSD Unix systems are servers. This email was composed in Mutt+Vim on FreeBSD 7.2 on a ThinkPad R52. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpJdYyEn7zLl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Addition to BSDstats
On Sun, 9 May 2010, Chad Perrin wrote: On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 02:56:49PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: Maybe some sort of 'Server Running *BSD' icon / link from web sites to bsdstats.org would help too ... Not all BSD Unix systems are servers. True, but, then again, few desktops users probably run web servers to display such an icon on :) But, that said, we're looking at something like either 'Member of' or 'Contributor to' instead ... Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scra...@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappySkype: hub.orgICQ:7615664MSN:scra...@hub.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Addition to BSDstats
I like that idea. On May 07 2010 09:37, Fbsd1 wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Thu, 6 May 2010, Robert Huff wrote: The problem with not including bsdstats in sysinstall or some other means of bringing it to peoples attention is that it gets forgotten and loses its effectiveness. Maybe it could go in the monthly subscription list reminder. I think everyone agrees that bsdstats needs more visibility right from the virgin install. Since its not appropriate to include bsdstats in the sysinstall program. How about getting the RELEASE team to change the content of the default logon message of the day /etc/motd, to advocacy installing the bsdstats package. What do you think about this idea? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | camdensoftware.com | chipstips.com | chipsquips.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Addition to BSDstats
Maybe some sort of 'Server Running *BSD' icon / link from web sites to bsdstats.org would help too ... On Fri, 7 May 2010, Chip Camden wrote: I like that idea. On May 07 2010 09:37, Fbsd1 wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Thu, 6 May 2010, Robert Huff wrote: The problem with not including bsdstats in sysinstall or some other means of bringing it to peoples attention is that it gets forgotten and loses its effectiveness. Maybe it could go in the monthly subscription list reminder. I think everyone agrees that bsdstats needs more visibility right from the virgin install. Since its not appropriate to include bsdstats in the sysinstall program. How about getting the RELEASE team to change the content of the default logon message of the day /etc/motd, to advocacy installing the bsdstats package. What do you think about this idea? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | camdensoftware.com | chipstips.com | chipsquips.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scra...@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappySkype: hub.orgICQ:7615664MSN:scra...@hub.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Addition to BSDstats
I was just thinking about it, and one point that I don't know if I've ever made (or haven't made in awhile) is that BSDStats looks at who is *using* a *BSD variant, not who *was* ... it relies on being run *at least* once a month for a server to be counted ... if you run it once and never run it again, you only count for that *period*, but fall off the radar relatively quickly. Basically, if someone installed FreeBSD 2 years ago, installed the port and then switched to Linux a year later, even though they are still listed in the system, they are not part of the 'current' states, as they are no longer reporting ... That is why the initial install puts it into /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly, so that it hopefully gets run *at least* at the beginning of each month ... it can be run more often over the month, it will still count as *1* install, but it needs to be run *at least* once a month for a machine to continue to be counted ... On Fri, 7 May 2010, Marc G. Fournier wrote: Maybe some sort of 'Server Running *BSD' icon / link from web sites to bsdstats.org would help too ... On Fri, 7 May 2010, Chip Camden wrote: I like that idea. On May 07 2010 09:37, Fbsd1 wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Thu, 6 May 2010, Robert Huff wrote: The problem with not including bsdstats in sysinstall or some other means of bringing it to peoples attention is that it gets forgotten and loses its effectiveness. Maybe it could go in the monthly subscription list reminder. I think everyone agrees that bsdstats needs more visibility right from the virgin install. Since its not appropriate to include bsdstats in the sysinstall program. How about getting the RELEASE team to change the content of the default logon message of the day /etc/motd, to advocacy installing the bsdstats package. What do you think about this idea? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | camdensoftware.com | chipstips.com | chipsquips.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scra...@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappySkype: hub.orgICQ:7615664MSN:scra...@hub.org Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scra...@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappySkype: hub.orgICQ:7615664MSN:scra...@hub.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Addition to BSDstats
Actually: Contributor to BSDStats sounds better / easier to understand On Fri, 7 May 2010, Marc G. Fournier wrote: Maybe some sort of 'Server Running *BSD' icon / link from web sites to bsdstats.org would help too ... On Fri, 7 May 2010, Chip Camden wrote: I like that idea. On May 07 2010 09:37, Fbsd1 wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Thu, 6 May 2010, Robert Huff wrote: The problem with not including bsdstats in sysinstall or some other means of bringing it to peoples attention is that it gets forgotten and loses its effectiveness. Maybe it could go in the monthly subscription list reminder. I think everyone agrees that bsdstats needs more visibility right from the virgin install. Since its not appropriate to include bsdstats in the sysinstall program. How about getting the RELEASE team to change the content of the default logon message of the day /etc/motd, to advocacy installing the bsdstats package. What do you think about this idea? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | camdensoftware.com | chipstips.com | chipsquips.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scra...@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappySkype: hub.orgICQ:7615664MSN:scra...@hub.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scra...@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappySkype: hub.orgICQ:7615664MSN:scra...@hub.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Addition to BSDstats
Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Wed, 5 May 2010, Randi Harper wrote: I wouldn't want to add an option to sysinstall for this unless bsdstats was part of base. nobody would appreciate (and outcry would be heavy) if someone were to add an 'opt-out phone home script' that they didn't consciously enable ... The problem with not including bsdstats in sysinstall or some other means of bringing it to peoples attention is that it gets forgotten and loses its effectiveness. What about a monthly (3 monthly, whatever) reminder saying what bsdstats is about and the reasons for installing it. Maybe it could go in the monthly list subscription reminder. (And 0T I would also include a reminder about Manolis XFCE DVD project) Chris Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scra...@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappySkype: hub.orgICQ:7615664MSN:scra...@hub.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Addition to BSDstats
Chris Whitehouse writes: The problem with not including bsdstats in sysinstall or some other means of bringing it to peoples attention is that it gets forgotten and loses its effectiveness. What about a monthly (3 monthly, whatever) reminder saying what bsdstats is about and the reasons for installing it. Maybe it could go in the monthly list subscription reminder. As part of the installation process, offer to add a crontab entry? Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Addition to BSDstats
On Thu, 6 May 2010, Robert Huff wrote: Chris Whitehouse writes: The problem with not including bsdstats in sysinstall or some other means of bringing it to peoples attention is that it gets forgotten and loses its effectiveness. What about a monthly (3 monthly, whatever) reminder saying what bsdstats is about and the reasons for installing it. Maybe it could go in the monthly list subscription reminder. As part of the installation process, offer to add a crontab entry? The problem, as I get from Randi, isn't adding the crontab entry (its not required anyway), but that since 300.statistics isn't in /etc/periodic/monthly by default, sysinstall would have to do a pkg_add of the port to get it installed first, *then* add the appropriate entries to both /etc/periodic.conf and /etc/rc.conf so that it runs ... The latter two are doable, but havin to do a pkg_add seems to be the part that is being frowned on ... Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scra...@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappySkype: hub.orgICQ:7615664MSN:scra...@hub.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Addition to BSDstats
Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Thu, 6 May 2010, Robert Huff wrote: The problem with not including bsdstats in sysinstall or some other means of bringing it to peoples attention is that it gets forgotten and loses its effectiveness. Maybe it could go in the monthly subscription list reminder. I think everyone agrees that bsdstats needs more visibility right from the virgin install. Since its not appropriate to include bsdstats in the sysinstall program. How about getting the RELEASE team to change the content of the default logon message of the day /etc/motd, to advocacy installing the bsdstats package. What do you think about this idea? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Addition to BSDstats
Marc G. Fournier wrote: can you tell me two things: nslookup rpt.bsdstats.org and the contents of /var/db/bsdstats I seem to have probs with mine too. I was under the impression that bsdstats was installed by default (in the base system?) so for a very long time I haven't installed it. Obviously I was wrong. So I've just installed from ports then run: muji2# /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay fetch: http://rpt.bsdstats.org/scripts/getid.php?key=: Connection refused Posting monthly OS statistics to rpt.bsdstats.org (Not sure if publishing the key is a security risk so replacing it with x's) A bit later muji2# /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay Posting monthly OS statistics to rpt.bsdstats.org But www.bsdstats.org/bt/countries.html is still showing only 3 FreeBSD in UK. Will it right itself later? BTW, I can't get the Ports Stats page on the website. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Addition to BSDstats
On Tue, 4 May 2010, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Tue, 4 May 2010, Gary Kline wrote: On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 09:12:21PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Wed, 5 May 2010, Fbsd1 wrote: BSDSTATS is dead. Don't waste your time. Not dead, still very active with reports in daily ... i see a golden opportunity here, marc. why not post the basic onlist now? i've been signed up for a long while and have never checked ... be nice to see the latest stats. Stats are updated real time ... just go to http://www.bsdstats.org ... The only stats that aren't working right now are the ports ones, not sure why we disabled that one, but suspect alot of it is size / load time related ... the database is *huge* for that ... I'm going to have to look into that one ... Since we're on the topic, and in light of Fbsd1's recent adventure... Panama seems awfully high in the country stats. I understand what you said upthread about haproxy being in Panama, but it's a small country to be always at the top; maybe there's some way to differentiate between really in Panama and don't know? It also seems odd that I, personally, as a home user, should be responsible for about 3% of the bsdstats-reporting FreeBSD machines in the US. (3 hosts out of 101) Just wondering. -- Chris Hill ch...@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging | ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Addition to BSDstats
On Wed, 5 May 2010, Chris Whitehouse wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: can you tell me two things: nslookup rpt.bsdstats.org and the contents of /var/db/bsdstats I seem to have probs with mine too. I was under the impression that bsdstats was installed by default (in the base system?) so for a very long time I haven't installed it. Obviously I was wrong. So I've just installed from ports then run: muji2# /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay fetch: http://rpt.bsdstats.org/scripts/getid.php?key=: Connection refused Posting monthly OS statistics to rpt.bsdstats.org That one would be a result of the change(s) I made last night to deal with everything being recorded as 'Country == Panama' ... it waas a DNS change that took a bit to propogate out ... But www.bsdstats.org/bt/countries.html is still showing only 3 FreeBSD in UK. Will it right itself later? Can you send me your key? Its still showing just 3 FBSD, but that page has definitely been updating in #s, so not sure why it didnt jump to 4 ... I did narrow down the view in the database from 3 mos to 'just this month' so that the country numbers do look accurate, but will re-extend things as time goes on with the cleaned up #s ... BTW, I can't get the Ports Stats page on the website. I'm going to have to look at re-enabling that one ... that table is so huge that processing it was killer ... I've since moved things to a much larger server, so will run some tests and get that back online ... Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scra...@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappySkype: hub.orgICQ:7615664MSN:scra...@hub.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Addition to BSDstats
On Wed, 5 May 2010, Chris Hill wrote: Since we're on the topic, and in light of Fbsd1's recent adventure... Panama seems awfully high in the country stats. I understand what you said upthread about haproxy being in Panama, but it's a small country to be always at the top; maybe there's some way to differentiate between really in Panama and don't know? It also seems odd that I, personally, as a home user, should be responsible for about 3% of the bsdstats-reporting FreeBSD machines in the US. (3 hosts out of 101) You will see those numbers dropping over the course of the month ... if ppl out there are reading this and wish to help 'fix the numbers', just run: /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay to update their records with the right country vs Panama, and you'll see it change quickly ... you'll even notice that the overall numbers right now are quick low, as I narrowed down the view to just 'so far this month' to help bring down the Panama skew, so there is no overlap right now with last month ... The PC-BSD #s are the ones that really skew'd those numbers up though, since theirs is auto-installed and always up to date, so unlike alot of FBSD users that have old versions installed pointing directly to the physical server, the PC-BSD ones were pointing to the load balancer ... DNS will have to catch up for them Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scra...@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappySkype: hub.orgICQ:7615664MSN:scra...@hub.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Addition to BSDstats
On Wed, 5 May 2010, Chris Whitehouse wrote: I seem to have probs with mine too. I was under the impression that bsdstats was installed by default (in the base system?) There has been talk about adding it as an option to sysinstall, but, unfortunately, I don't have enough knowledge of sysinstall to add it, and nobody else has step'd forward that does ... the idea wasn't to auto-install/enable, but to make it more visible while you are installing ... Anyone out there able to do this ... ? so for a very long time I haven't installed it. Obviously I was wrong. So I've just installed from ports then run: muji2# /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay fetch: http://rpt.bsdstats.org/scripts/getid.php?key=: Connection refused Posting monthly OS statistics to rpt.bsdstats.org (Not sure if publishing the key is a security risk so replacing it with x's) A bit later muji2# /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay Posting monthly OS statistics to rpt.bsdstats.org But www.bsdstats.org/bt/countries.html is still showing only 3 FreeBSD in UK. Will it right itself later? BTW, I can't get the Ports Stats page on the website. Chris Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scra...@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappySkype: hub.orgICQ:7615664MSN:scra...@hub.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Addition to BSDstats
Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Wed, 5 May 2010, Chris Whitehouse wrote: I seem to have probs with mine too. I was under the impression that bsdstats was installed by default (in the base system?) There has been talk about adding it as an option to sysinstall, but, unfortunately, I don't have enough knowledge of sysinstall to add it, and nobody else has step'd forward that does ... the idea wasn't to auto-install/enable, but to make it more visible while you are installing ... Anyone out there able to do this ... ? I have not heard any talk about this up until this email. I wouldn't want to add an option to sysinstall for this unless bsdstats was part of base. If it were, this would be trivial, but I don't really want to pop up any optional package menus other than what already exists. -- randi ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Addition to BSDstats
On May 5, 2010, at 10:55 PM, Randi Harper wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Wed, 5 May 2010, Chris Whitehouse wrote: I seem to have probs with mine too. I was under the impression that bsdstats was installed by default (in the base system?) There has been talk about adding it as an option to sysinstall, but, unfortunately, I don't have enough knowledge of sysinstall to add it, and nobody else has step'd forward that does ... the idea wasn't to auto-install/enable, but to make it more visible while you are installing ... Anyone out there able to do this ... ? I have not heard any talk about this up until this email. I wouldn't want to add an option to sysinstall for this unless bsdstats was part of base. If it were, this would be trivial, but I don't really want to pop up any optional package menus other than what already exists. -- randi This idea was mentioned a few years as a way to improve advocacy statistics. Something short and sweet, with a one or two line explanation encouraging people to install the BSDStats system. If it were a yes/no option similar to the Would you like to install Linux Compatibility then it would be a no brainer. Honestly this seems relatively unobtrusive and quite logical. Regards, Mikel King Senior Editor, BSD News Network Columnist, BSD Magazine 6 Alpine Court, Medford, NY 11763 http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikelking http://twitter.com/mikelking ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Addition to BSDstats
On Wed, 5 May 2010, Randi Harper wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Wed, 5 May 2010, Chris Whitehouse wrote: I seem to have probs with mine too. I was under the impression that bsdstats was installed by default (in the base system?) There has been talk about adding it as an option to sysinstall, but, unfortunately, I don't have enough knowledge of sysinstall to add it, and nobody else has step'd forward that does ... the idea wasn't to auto-install/enable, but to make it more visible while you are installing ... Anyone out there able to do this ... ? I have not heard any talk about this up until this email. Its been brought up a few times over the past couple of years ... I wouldn't want to add an option to sysinstall for this unless bsdstats was part of base. Since it is just a script that was designed specifically so that it doesn't require any other ports to be installed, *in theory* it could just be dump'd into /etc/periodic/monthly without any issues ... But, if it were ... unlike PC-BSD, it would have to be opt-in, not opt-out ... based on all of the discussions in the past, and I agree, nobody would appreciate (and outcry would be heavy) if someone were to add an 'opt-out phone home script' that they didn't consciously enable ... Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scra...@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappySkype: hub.orgICQ:7615664MSN:scra...@hub.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Addition to BSDstats
mikel king wrote: On May 5, 2010, at 10:55 PM, Randi Harper wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Wed, 5 May 2010, Chris Whitehouse wrote: I seem to have probs with mine too. I was under the impression that bsdstats was installed by default (in the base system?) There has been talk about adding it as an option to sysinstall, but, unfortunately, I don't have enough knowledge of sysinstall to add it, and nobody else has step'd forward that does ... the idea wasn't to auto-install/enable, but to make it more visible while you are installing ... Anyone out there able to do this ... ? I have not heard any talk about this up until this email. I wouldn't want to add an option to sysinstall for this unless bsdstats was part of base. If it were, this would be trivial, but I don't really want to pop up any optional package menus other than what already exists. -- randi This idea was mentioned a few years as a way to improve advocacy statistics. Something short and sweet, with a one or two line explanation encouraging people to install the BSDStats system. If it were a yes/no option similar to the Would you like to install Linux Compatibility then it would be a no brainer. Honestly this seems relatively unobtrusive and quite logical. You're right, it is just for advocacy statistics. bsdstats is not an integral part of system operation. We prompt for Linux Compatibility because it could be needed for technical reasons. While advocacy is certainly important, the installer needs to be simplified, not complicated even more with unnecessary options and menus. -- randi ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Addition to BSDstats
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Randi Harper ra...@freebsd.org wrote: This idea was mentioned a few years as a way to improve advocacy statistics. Something short and sweet, with a one or two line explanation encouraging people to install the BSDStats system. If it were a yes/no option similar to the Would you like to install Linux Compatibility then it would be a no brainer. Honestly this seems relatively unobtrusive and quite logical. You're right, it is just for advocacy statistics. bsdstats is not an integral part of system operation. We prompt for Linux Compatibility because it could be needed for technical reasons. While advocacy is certainly important, the installer needs to be simplified, not complicated even more with unnecessary options and menus. It could be placed in the yes/no questions at the end of the install. Debian does something similar. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Addition to BSDstats
Marc, et-al, I wasn't originally going to post this to the list, but I thought that it would be useful to do so in order to try to solicit feedback. There's a suggestion that I have for the server-side of bsdstats. I would find it very useful if the server could track the % of the reporting connections that come in over IPv6, and include that on the website front page. Of course, this would require that rpt.bsdstats.org reside on a reliable IPv6 network, and code changes to the server-side software. (if the code is Perl, I'll gladly take a look at it ;) I'm not interested in the actual addresses of the sending hosts, just whether the address contains a '.' or ':'. Cheers, Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Addition to BSDstats
Steve Bertrand wrote: Marc, et-al, I wasn't originally going to post this to the list, but I thought that it would be useful to do so in order to try to solicit feedback. There's a suggestion that I have for the server-side of bsdstats. I would find it very useful if the server could track the % of the reporting connections that come in over IPv6, and include that on the website front page. Of course, this would require that rpt.bsdstats.org reside on a reliable IPv6 network, and code changes to the server-side software. (if the code is Perl, I'll gladly take a look at it ;) I'm not interested in the actual addresses of the sending hosts, just whether the address contains a '.' or ':'. Cheers, Steve BSDSTATS is dead. Don't waste your time. I am a retired American who is now living in the Philippines. All during RELEASE 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, and now 8.0 I have been running the bsdstats port on my single system. Yesterday I checked the http://bsdstats.org website by country and to my great surprise there are no Freebsd systems listed in the Philippines. Also the previous months reports are no longer shown on the website and the port stats don't show at all. This is not the results talked about on this list when the bsdstats project was trying to get Freebsd participation 3 years ago. The bsdstats website has been un-supported, un-updated for over 2 years and nobody noticed until I showed up in a country with out any Freebsd counts, but knowing I was reports regularly. What good is participation if there are no real-time results. I removed bsdstats from my system and the port should be removed from the ports system. I also emailed Marc G. Fournier scra...@hub.org the author and never received a reply. That is the best sign that bsdstats is dead. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Addition to BSDstats
The backend to bsdstats.org is load balanced behind an haproxy backend, with only the IP of haproxy being passed back into it ... one of the key issues that was brought up from day one was security and anonymity(sp?) of those submitting, and we've taken that *very* seriously ... other then the tokens that are passed back to present individual systems, we do not record anything (or see anything) about the reporting servers ... On Tue, 4 May 2010, Steve Bertrand wrote: Marc, et-al, I wasn't originally going to post this to the list, but I thought that it would be useful to do so in order to try to solicit feedback. There's a suggestion that I have for the server-side of bsdstats. I would find it very useful if the server could track the % of the reporting connections that come in over IPv6, and include that on the website front page. Of course, this would require that rpt.bsdstats.org reside on a reliable IPv6 network, and code changes to the server-side software. (if the code is Perl, I'll gladly take a look at it ;) I'm not interested in the actual addresses of the sending hosts, just whether the address contains a '.' or ':'. Cheers, Steve Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scra...@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappySkype: hub.orgICQ:7615664MSN:scra...@hub.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Addition to BSDstats
On Wed, 5 May 2010, Fbsd1 wrote: BSDSTATS is dead. Don't waste your time. Not dead, still very active with reports in daily ... I am a retired American who is now living in the Philippines. All during RELEASE 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, and now 8.0 I have been running the bsdstats port on my single system. Yesterday I checked the http://bsdstats.org website by country and to my great surprise there are no Freebsd systems listed in the Philippines. Also the previous months reports are no longer shown on the website and the port stats don't show at all. This is not the results talked about on this list when the bsdstats project was trying to get Freebsd participation 3 years ago. Most odd ... what is in your /var/db/bsdstats file ... ? I've had no reports of problems in many months now ... What good is participation if there are no real-time results. The results are realtime ... generated directly out of the database ... I removed bsdstats from my system and the port should be removed from the ports system. I also emailed Marc G. Fournier scra...@hub.org the author and never received a reply. That is the best sign that bsdstats is dead. Huh? I don't recall any emails about issues that I've not answered :( Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scra...@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappySkype: hub.orgICQ:7615664MSN:scra...@hub.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Addition to BSDstats
On Tue, 4 May 2010, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Wed, 5 May 2010, Fbsd1 wrote: Most odd ... what is in your /var/db/bsdstats file ... ? I've had no reports of problems in many months now ... Don't worry about it, found and fixed that bug ... it had to do with trying to masquarade behind haproxy, so it looked like all systems were coming in from Panama if they were running the newest code ... which means alot of ppl out there were running *old* code ... Basically, by setting up haproxy to load balance, all IPs hitting the backend were, as mentioned before, masquaraded ... but, of course, that means that when Geo::IP trying to determine country of origin, it always reports for the country of origin of the haproxy IP (Panama) ... I've fix this ... still not recording IP, but at least the PHP script determing country basis it on the proper IP, not the haproxy IP ... No changes required on the client side, as things will normalize over the course of the next month as ppl report in ... If anyone on FreeBSD wishes to 'force an update': /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay will push it through ... Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scra...@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappySkype: hub.orgICQ:7615664MSN:scra...@hub.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Addition to BSDstats
On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 09:12:21PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Wed, 5 May 2010, Fbsd1 wrote: BSDSTATS is dead. Don't waste your time. Not dead, still very active with reports in daily ... i see a golden opportunity here, marc. why not post the basic onlist now? i've been signed up for a long while and have never checked ... be nice to see the latest stats. -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.83a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org 99 44/100% Guaranteed Novel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Addition to BSDstats
On Tue, 4 May 2010, Gary Kline wrote: On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 09:12:21PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Wed, 5 May 2010, Fbsd1 wrote: BSDSTATS is dead. Don't waste your time. Not dead, still very active with reports in daily ... i see a golden opportunity here, marc. why not post the basic onlist now? i've been signed up for a long while and have never checked ... be nice to see the latest stats. Stats are updated real time ... just go to http://www.bsdstats.org ... The only stats that aren't working right now are the ports ones, not sure why we disabled that one, but suspect alot of it is size / load time related ... the database is *huge* for that ... I'm going to have to look into that one ... Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scra...@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappySkype: hub.orgICQ:7615664MSN:scra...@hub.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Addition to BSDstats
Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Tue, 4 May 2010, Marc G. Fournier wrote: Don't worry about it, found and fixed that bug ... it had to do with trying to masquarade behind haproxy, so it looked like all systems were coming in from Panama if they were running the newest code ... which means alot of ppl out there were running *old* code ... Basically, by setting up haproxy to load balance, all IPs hitting the backend were, as mentioned before, masquaraded ... but, of course, that means that when Geo::IP trying to determine country of origin, it always reports for the country of origin of the haproxy IP (Panama) ... I've fixed this ... still not recording IP, but at least the PHP script determing country basis it on the proper IP, not the haproxy IP ... No changes required on the client side, as things will normalize over the course of the next month as ppl report in ... If anyone on FreeBSD wishes to 'force an update': /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay will push it through ... Just did pkg_add -r bsdstats followed by /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay Still don't see any Freebsd systems listed for the Philippines on the website. What is YOUR definition of REAL-TIME. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Addition to BSDstats
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 11:40 PM, Fbsd1 fb...@a1poweruser.com wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Tue, 4 May 2010, Marc G. Fournier wrote: Don't worry about it, found and fixed that bug ... it had to do with trying to masquarade behind haproxy, so it looked like all systems were coming in from Panama if they were running the newest code ... which means alot of ppl out there were running *old* code ... Basically, by setting up haproxy to load balance, all IPs hitting the backend were, as mentioned before, masquaraded ... but, of course, that means that when Geo::IP trying to determine country of origin, it always reports for the country of origin of the haproxy IP (Panama) ... I've fixed this ... still not recording IP, but at least the PHP script determing country basis it on the proper IP, not the haproxy IP ... No changes required on the client side, as things will normalize over the course of the next month as ppl report in ... If anyone on FreeBSD wishes to 'force an update': /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay will push it through ... Just did pkg_add -r bsdstats followed by /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay Still don't see any Freebsd systems listed for the Philippines on the website. What is YOUR definition of REAL-TIME. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Actually, it's there. http://www.bsdstats.org/bt/countries.html?os=FreeBSD There you are, at the bottom. One system from the Philippines. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Addition to BSDstats
can you tell me two things: nslookup rpt.bsdstats.org and the contents of /var/db/bsdstats the results should have showed up instantly on the web site ... but, just checking the database, I do find a connection from PH today at 2010-05-05 03:30:12.196478 ... and the country stats does show it: #47 PH Philippines 1 2 3 Even on the FreeBSD specific screen: #55 PH Philippines 1 0.03 % If you can send me the output of /var/db/bsdstats though,I can confirm that it is, in fact, your host that reported ... On Wed, 5 May 2010, Fbsd1 wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Tue, 4 May 2010, Marc G. Fournier wrote: Don't worry about it, found and fixed that bug ... it had to do with trying to masquarade behind haproxy, so it looked like all systems were coming in from Panama if they were running the newest code ... which means alot of ppl out there were running *old* code ... Basically, by setting up haproxy to load balance, all IPs hitting the backend were, as mentioned before, masquaraded ... but, of course, that means that when Geo::IP trying to determine country of origin, it always reports for the country of origin of the haproxy IP (Panama) ... I've fixed this ... still not recording IP, but at least the PHP script determing country basis it on the proper IP, not the haproxy IP ... No changes required on the client side, as things will normalize over the course of the next month as ppl report in ... If anyone on FreeBSD wishes to 'force an update': /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay will push it through ... Just did pkg_add -r bsdstats followed by /usr/local/etc/periodic/monthly/300.statistics -nodelay Still don't see any Freebsd systems listed for the Philippines on the website. What is YOUR definition of REAL-TIME. Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scra...@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappySkype: hub.orgICQ:7615664MSN:scra...@hub.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
