Re: Duplicate emails on freebsd-questions
On 2007-02-19 10:27, Jeffrey Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [mailed and posted and cc'ed to grog] On Feb 19, 2007, at 4:54 AM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: There is a very good reason why it is customary in this mailing list to copy the sender when replying. We don't accept email messages only from subscribers. This means that some people may post a question without even being subscribed to the list. By Reply-To: header hacks, like the one you are describing, the original poster may never see your reply. Thank you for that explanation. It might be a good idea to add this to point 6 of section 8 of http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/index.html Noted. I'll prepare a patch and post it to Greg Lehey for a review, after eg. removing you and other stuff which doesn't fit with the rest of the section. pgpjRi5T4WEzK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Duplicate emails on freebsd-questions
As far as I can tell, the problem with duplicate emails resides on how the list software is setup. I am a member of another list where each email sent out by the list software is stripped of all CCs and ReplyTOs. There is only a ReplyTo address in the form of [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Now, whenever a subscriber wants to send a new email to the list, all he has to do is add [EMAIL PROTECTED] as a recipient (as usual on all lists). Whenever he wants to reply to some email he received from the list he just uses the Reply command in his email program. The way it is done on this list is confusing when it comes to reply to mail I received from the list. Almost always I have to use the Reply to all command and strip all irrelevant addresses (CCs TOs and ReplyTOs) leaving just the freebsd-questions@freebsd.org as a recipient To. Sometimes in a hurry I forget to delete the aforementioned recipients and the mail appears to be sent multiple times to the subscribers involved. Some other times I recieve email directly, skipping the list, because the other fellow just used the Reply button. I have never run a mailing list before so that I can strictly suggest proper action, but this is the way I believe thing are running at the moment and it ought to be improved by our suggestions. - RTFM and STFW before anything bad happens - Thanasis Rizoulis Electronic Computing Systems Engineer Larissa, Greece FreeBSD/PCBSD user ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Duplicate emails on freebsd-questions
Apatewna wrote: As far as I can tell, the problem with duplicate emails resides on how the list software is setup. I am a member of another list where each email sent out by the list software is stripped of all CCs and ReplyTOs. There is only a ReplyTo address in the form of [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Now, whenever a subscriber wants to send a new email to the list, all he has to do is add [EMAIL PROTECTED] as a recipient (as usual on all lists). Whenever he wants to reply to some email he received from the list he just uses the Reply command in his email program. The way it is done on this list is confusing when it comes to reply to mail I received from the list. Almost always I have to use the Reply to all command and strip all irrelevant addresses (CCs TOs and ReplyTOs) leaving just the freebsd-questions@freebsd.org as a recipient To. Sometimes in a hurry I forget to delete the aforementioned recipients and the mail appears to be sent multiple times to the subscribers involved. Some other times I recieve email directly, skipping the list, because the other fellow just used the Reply button. I have never run a mailing list before so that I can strictly suggest proper action, but this is the way I believe thing are running at the moment and it ought to be improved by our suggestions. - RTFM and STFW before anything bad happens - Thanasis Rizoulis Electronic Computing Systems Engineer Larissa, Greece FreeBSD/PCBSD user ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think it isn't that bad, it's easy for filtering e-mail so you can let your mail client hilight the threads in which you have replied. Just my 2 cents, -- -Frank Staals ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Duplicate emails on freebsd-questions
On 2007-02-19 11:53, Apatewna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I can tell, the problem with duplicate emails resides on how the list software is setup. No, you are wrong about this. The duplicate emails Greg Lehey was talking about were repeated re-posts of the same message. I am a member of another list where each email sent out by the list software is stripped of all CCs and ReplyTOs. There is only a ReplyTo address in the form of [EMAIL PROTECTED]. There is a very good reason why it is customary in this mailing list to copy the sender when replying. We don't accept email messages only from subscribers. This means that some people may post a question without even being subscribed to the list. By Reply-To: header hacks, like the one you are describing, the original poster may never see your reply. This particular Reply-To: trick has been proposed in the past too, and its use has been discussed to death many times. Please refer to the archives for more reasons why it is bad for this mailing list. I have never run a mailing list before so that I can strictly suggest proper action, but this is the way I believe thing are running at the moment and it ought to be improved by our suggestions. I don't think there's something wrong with the current setup :-( - Giorgos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Duplicate emails on freebsd-questions
Frank Staals wrote: Apatewna wrote: As far as I can tell, the problem with duplicate emails resides on how the list software is setup. I am a member of another list where each email sent out by the list software is stripped of all CCs and ReplyTOs. There is only a ReplyTo address in the form of [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Now, whenever a subscriber wants to send a new email to the list, all he has to do is add [EMAIL PROTECTED] as a recipient (as usual on all lists). Whenever he wants to reply to some email he received from the list he just uses the Reply command in his email program. The way it is done on this list is confusing when it comes to reply to mail I received from the list. Almost always I have to use the Reply to all command and strip all irrelevant addresses (CCs TOs and ReplyTOs) leaving just the freebsd-questions@freebsd.org as a recipient To. Sometimes in a hurry I forget to delete the aforementioned recipients and the mail appears to be sent multiple times to the subscribers involved. Some other times I recieve email directly, skipping the list, because the other fellow just used the Reply button. I have never run a mailing list before so that I can strictly suggest proper action, but this is the way I believe thing are running at the moment and it ought to be improved by our suggestions. - RTFM and STFW before anything bad happens - Thanasis Rizoulis Electronic Computing Systems Engineer Larissa, Greece FreeBSD/PCBSD user ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think it isn't that bad, it's easy for filtering e-mail so you can let your mail client hilight the threads in which you have replied. Just my 2 cents, This is done by your mail client using the In-Reply-To field. For more info check http://cr.yp.to/immhf/thread.html My original mail had : Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you reply to my email had: Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] so in a threded mail client (Thunderbird) this appears as a threaded reply to my message. This also explains why some people who start a new topic by replying to an already recieved email, get flamed by users who use threaded email clients :) - RTFM and STFW before anything bad happens - Thanasis Rizoulis Electronic Computing Systems Engineer Larissa, Greece FreeBSD/PCBSD user ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Duplicate emails on freebsd-questions
[mailed and posted and cc'ed to grog] On Feb 19, 2007, at 4:54 AM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: There is a very good reason why it is customary in this mailing list to copy the sender when replying. We don't accept email messages only from subscribers. This means that some people may post a question without even being subscribed to the list. By Reply-To: header hacks, like the one you are describing, the original poster may never see your reply. Thank you for that explanation. It might be a good idea to add this to point 6 of section 8 of http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd- questions/index.html I was initially surprised by the conventions used on this list, but am growing more accustomed to them and trying to comply, even thought it isn't what I do for most of the lists I'm on. Cheers, -j -- Jeffrey Goldberghttp://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Duplicate emails on freebsd-questions
In response to Jeffrey Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [mailed and posted and cc'ed to grog] On Feb 19, 2007, at 4:54 AM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: There is a very good reason why it is customary in this mailing list to copy the sender when replying. We don't accept email messages only from subscribers. This means that some people may post a question without even being subscribed to the list. By Reply-To: header hacks, like the one you are describing, the original poster may never see your reply. Thank you for that explanation. It might be a good idea to add this to point 6 of section 8 of http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd- questions/index.html I was initially surprised by the conventions used on this list, but am growing more accustomed to them and trying to comply, even thought it isn't what I do for most of the lists I'm on. Odd. I find it reasonably common. The PostgreSQL lists have it as a convention as well. Must be a BSD license thing. -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
