Re: FBSD or PCBSD?
Le Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:18:33 -0700, Chad Perrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] : FreeBSD has a quick-install port for GUI/desktop environments. Once you've got the FreeBSD base system installed, just do this: cd /usr/ports/misc/instant-workstation make install clean Yes but the port has been deleted (2006-12-01). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FBSD or PCBSD?
On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 10:57:16AM +0100, Frank Staals wrote: Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: Hello, I have a basic Acer Aspire with Vista on it but I am very unhappy about the speed of work on it. I do not want to wipe out MS system (at least not yet) but would like to give FreeBSD or PCBSD a try. 1. Am I safe by installing FreeBSD alongside Vista? Will the installation not destroy MS system? Just make sure you have free space and go. You probably want to use the FreeBSD Bootmanager but I'm not 100% sure about that ( Only running a dualboot system with FreeBSD and WinXP for which the FreeBSD bootmanager is required ) This should be emphasized more: Make absolutely certain you already have free space on your drive before trying to install a FreeBSD or PC-BSD OS on the system to dual-boot with an already existing MS Windows OS. This can be accomplished in a number of ways -- you'll probably want to use a LiveCD with partition resizing software (like QtParted, for instance). Knoppix comes with this software. Before resizing partitions, though, make sure you defrag your MS Windows drive so the data on it will be packed toward the beginning of the drive rather than spread across the end of it. If you cut into data on the partition when resizing, you could lose the data. If the data's important to the OS, this could hose the OS. Once you have the free space, though, installing into that free space is a cake walk. 2. I have installed FreeBSD a few times but only with console access, never with X windows. Would it be better to install PCBSD on the Acer machine? I have never configured X windows and not sure how long it could take with FreeBSD (actually I mean things like Gnome or KDE). Depends on your needs. If you are planning on running an other WM/DE than KDE (Or at least I thought PCBSD came with KDE by default ) and you are familliar with the ports system you are better off choosing FreeBSD. Setting up X is a piece of cake nowadays. In most cases Xorg wil generate it's own configfile at start and you don't realy have to worry about it. If something doesn't work or you want to configure it somehow you can just run 'Xorg --configure' which wil generate a configfile you can edit by hand. On the other hand if you are completely new to FreeBSD, the portsystem etc than I guess you're better off installing PCBSD. Someone else in this discussion said something about it taking days to set up a complete GUI environment if installing from source. For me, it took less than an hour. Of course, I didn't install KDE, either -- it all depends on how much junk you have to install to consider it a complete GUI environment. PC-BSD is a very straightforward install, generally. So is DesktopBSD for that matter. Part of the reason for this is that you don't have to make any decisions at all. The downside is that you don't get to make any decisions at all. FreeBSD has a quick-install port for GUI/desktop environments. Once you've got the FreeBSD base system installed, just do this: cd /usr/ports/misc/instant-workstation make install clean Among other things, it installs emacs, xmms, and KDE. I don't use it, though, because I'm not much of a fan of any of those three. If you like KDE, though, that could be a quick way to get from zero to a usable workstation for you. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Marvin Minsky: It's just incredible that a trillion-synapse computer could actually spend Saturday afternoon watching a football game. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FBSD or PCBSD?
Hello, I have a basic Acer Aspire with Vista on it but I am very unhappy about the speed of work on it. I do not want to wipe out MS system (at least not yet) but would like to give FreeBSD or PCBSD a try. 1. Am I safe by installing FreeBSD alongside Vista? Will the installation not destroy MS system? 2. I have installed FreeBSD a few times but only with console access, never with X windows. Would it be better to install PCBSD on the Acer machine? I have never configured X windows and not sure how long it could take with FreeBSD (actually I mean things like Gnome or KDE). 3. The wi-fi card is probably Acer InviLink 802.11b/g Wi-Fi. Any chance such wireless card will be supported by FreeBSD or PCBSD? Which is a better solution for a home user? Thank you very much for your practical recommendations! Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FBSD or PCBSD?
Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: Hello, I have a basic Acer Aspire with Vista on it but I am very unhappy about the speed of work on it. I do not want to wipe out MS system (at least not yet) but would like to give FreeBSD or PCBSD a try. 1. Am I safe by installing FreeBSD alongside Vista? Will the installation not destroy MS system? Just make sure you have free space and go. You probably want to use the FreeBSD Bootmanager but I'm not 100% sure about that ( Only running a dualboot system with FreeBSD and WinXP for which the FreeBSD bootmanager is required ) 2. I have installed FreeBSD a few times but only with console access, never with X windows. Would it be better to install PCBSD on the Acer machine? I have never configured X windows and not sure how long it could take with FreeBSD (actually I mean things like Gnome or KDE). Depends on your needs. If you are planning on running an other WM/DE than KDE (Or at least I thought PCBSD came with KDE by default ) and you are familliar with the ports system you are better off choosing FreeBSD. Setting up X is a piece of cake nowadays. In most cases Xorg wil generate it's own configfile at start and you don't realy have to worry about it. If something doesn't work or you want to configure it somehow you can just run 'Xorg --configure' which wil generate a configfile you can edit by hand. On the other hand if you are completely new to FreeBSD, the portsystem etc than I guess you're better off installing PCBSD. 3. The wi-fi card is probably Acer InviLink 802.11b/g Wi-Fi. Any chance such wireless card will be supported by FreeBSD or PCBSD? I don't know in what way it is supported. Google will probably give you an answer. If it isn't supported natively take a look at ndis Which is a better solution for a home user? Thank you very much for your practical recommendations! Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good Luck, -- -Frank Staals ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FBSD or PCBSD?
,--[ On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 10:10:11AM +0100, Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: | Hello, | | I have a basic Acer Aspire with Vista on it but I am very unhappy | about the speed of work on it. I do not want to wipe out MS system (at | least not yet) but would like to give FreeBSD or PCBSD a try. | | 1. Am I safe by installing FreeBSD alongside Vista? Will the | installation not destroy MS system? Yup you're safe. But make sure you've read FreeBSD Handbook[1] before proceeding to install. | 2. I have installed FreeBSD a few times but only with console access, | never with X windows. Would it be better to install PCBSD on the Acer | machine? I have never configured X windows and not sure how long it | could take with FreeBSD (actually I mean things like Gnome or KDE). No ideas about FreeBSD supporting your Acer box. Anyways, it won't be difficult configuring X in FreeBSD, but if you're new to FreeBSD, you can try PC-BSD. | 3. The wi-fi card is probably Acer InviLink 802.11b/g Wi-Fi. Any | chance such wireless card will be supported by FreeBSD or PCBSD? No ideas. | Which is a better solution for a home user? I never used PC-BSD so no comments. References: [1] - http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ HTH -- Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल http://wahjava.wordpress.com/ ·-- ·- ·--- ·- ···- ·- ·--·-· --· -- ·- ·· ·-·· ·-·-·- -·-· --- -- signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: FBSD or PCBSD?
Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: Which is a better solution for a home user? Thank you very much for your practical recommendations! ... I have had great success using PCBSD on various acers, I eventually got fed up with it being not quite identical to FreeBSD and I now have FreeBSD 6.2 on my current acer laptop (a 1680). -- Robin Becker ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FBSD or PCBSD?
Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: Hello, I have a basic Acer Aspire with Vista on it but I am very unhappy about the speed of work on it. I do not want to wipe out MS system (at least not yet) but would like to give FreeBSD or PCBSD a try. 1. Am I safe by installing FreeBSD alongside Vista? Will the installation not destroy MS system? 2. I have installed FreeBSD a few times but only with console access, never with X windows. Would it be better to install PCBSD on the Acer machine? I have never configured X windows and not sure how long it could take with FreeBSD (actually I mean things like Gnome or KDE). 3. The wi-fi card is probably Acer InviLink 802.11b/g Wi-Fi. Any chance such wireless card will be supported by FreeBSD or PCBSD? Which is a better solution for a home user? Thank you very much for your practical recommendations! Zbigniew Szalbot I happen to have an Acer Aspire laptop with both FreeBSD and Vista. Have a look at some of my past posts for hints on how to install both: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2007-December/164389.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2007-December/165171.html As for your wifi, I can't really tell you. Mine has an Intel 3945 and lately there has been a lot of progress on the driver (Thank you Benjamin!). I do have a PCMCIA atheros based backup as well. If you need to get to a GUI quickly rather than building it yourself, PCBSD (or DesktopBSD, try www.desktopbsd.net) would be your best bet. Depending on how you choose to setup your system, in pure FreeBSD, going graphical will take you anything from a few hours (using precompiled packages) to maybe a couple of days (using ports). Read the relevant handbook chapters for information. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FBSD or PCBSD?
Frank Staals wrote: Just make sure you have free space and go. You probably want to use the FreeBSD Bootmanager but I'm not 100% sure about that ( Only running a dualboot system with FreeBSD and WinXP for which the FreeBSD bootmanager is required ) FreeBSD boot manager shouldn't be required for WinXP. I am using the Windows 2000 boot loader myself. It's very simple as long as FreeBSD is on the first disk. Watch your steps if FreeBSD is on another disk: http://www.unixguide.net/freebsd/faq/09.10.shtml -- Tore ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FBSD or PCBSD?
The FreeBSD Laptop Compatibility List http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BSD_operating_systems http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freebsd Both DesktopBSD PC-BSD are suitable for home users. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC-BSD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DesktopBSD Architecture : Desktop Environment | Window Manager | X Server (X.org/XFree.org) | Kernel KDE = - Memory consuming (but user friendly) - use QT library but may not free (http://trolltech.com/products/qt/licenses) - Very suitable for home users - full multimedia support (eg. good CD writer) - Highly customisable for window environment settings. GNOME == - Efficient memory usage (simple fast) - uses Gtk library, is free part of GNU project (http://www.gtk.org/) - major enterprise linux distributions (Redhat, Suse, Fedora, Debian, CentOS, - Highest distribution due to popularity of Ubuntu (http://distrowatch.com/) KDE vs. GNOME, Which is better ? http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/article.php/3671906 Which Has the Best Applications? KDE or GNOME http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3673321 Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: Hello, I have a basic Acer Aspire with Vista on it but I am very unhappy about the speed of work on it. I do not want to wipe out MS system (at least not yet) but would like to give FreeBSD or PCBSD a try. 1. Am I safe by installing FreeBSD alongside Vista? Will the installation not destroy MS system? 2. I have installed FreeBSD a few times but only with console access, never with X windows. Would it be better to install PCBSD on the Acer machine? I have never configured X windows and not sure how long it could take with FreeBSD (actually I mean things like Gnome or KDE). 3. The wi-fi card is probably Acer InviLink 802.11b/g Wi-Fi. Any chance such wireless card will be supported by FreeBSD or PCBSD? Which is a better solution for a home user? Thank you very much for your practical recommendations! Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FBSD or PCBSD?
Quoting Robin Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: Which is a better solution for a home user? Thank you very much for your practical recommendations! ... I have had great success using PCBSD on various acers, I eventually got fed up with it being not quite identical to FreeBSD and I now have FreeBSD 6.2 on my current acer laptop (a 1680). -- I was unable to even boot my Wife's Acer (an Aspire 5520) with FreeBSD 6.3-pre or 7.0-pre. I'm also pretty sure the Acer wireless is NOT supported by any native drivers; I haven't seen any success or failure stories from anyone trying NDIS. I expect the same will be true with PC-BSD, since AFAIK their kernel is pretty much stock FreeBSD (main differences are in the installer and package management). JN ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FBSD or PCBSD?
On Jan 18, 2008 3:27 PM, John Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Robin Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have had great success using PCBSD on various acers, I eventually got fed up with it being not quite identical to FreeBSD and I now have FreeBSD 6.2 on my current acer laptop (a 1680). I was unable to even boot my Wife's Acer (an Aspire 5520) with FreeBSD 6.3-pre or 7.0-pre. I'm also pretty sure the Acer wireless is NOT supported by any native drivers; FWIW, my Acer Aspire 5500Z has Intel 2200 wireless chipset which is supported by FreeBSD and runs FreeBSD and PC-BSD fine. Sounds like Acer laptops don't all have the same wireless NIC... -- Colin Brace Amsterdam http://lim.nl ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
