Re: FreeBSD 8.2 with pre-built KDE 3.5 package from FreeBSD 7.1 DVD
-- Excuse me... you're joking, right? I assume you have a plentycore -- processor with Gigs of RAM, and already two shells show a problem? -- That sounds totally wrong. Is that sarcasm or irony? Von: Polytropon free...@edvax.de An: Georg Reilinger georgreilin...@yahoo.de CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Gesendet: 5:24 Freitag, 18.Januar 2013 Betreff: Re: FreeBSD 8.2 with pre-built KDE 3.5 package from FreeBSD 7.1 DVD On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 01:25:03 + (GMT), Georg Reilinger wrote: As far as I know, FreeBSD has completely dropped support for KDE 3.5. As for other desktop environments, yes. Whether it's the ports, or the pkg_add precompiled binaries. Am I right in assuming this? I think KDE 3 is still in ports, but will be scheduled for removal, as KDE 4 is the place where development takes place, and there seems to be no active development on KDE 3 that can be built (!) on FreeBSD due to lack of contribution. I am currently running a live version of FreeBSD 8.2 with KDE 4.8. May I ask which live system this is? The thing here is, that KDE 4 is simply too heavy for my system. For example: it is impossible for me to have two open shells at the same time. Once I exit a given shell, I can't open another one due to a lack of resources, even after having turned off all the extra stuff - plasma desktop, nepomuk... Excuse me... you're joking, right? I assume you have a plentycore processor with Gigs of RAM, and already two shells show a problem? That sounds totally wrong. When you play a music file and move the window, do you get skipping audio, too? Just scary... As a consequence, I can see myself do two possible things, to have a system running with KDE 3.5 once again: 1. Go back to an older release of FreeBSD and install KDE 3.5 from the precompiled binaries that are on the DVD donwload version. Judging by the release announcements, this should be 7.1. Yes, this will work. But note that you are running an OS that has been gone out of support, so you probably won't be able to install newer software using ports or packages. However, you can use the system as is, and even use ports as long as the distfiles are still kept available online. 2. To be honest, I am quite happy with 8.2 and I would like to keep it for some time to come. In other words, is there a way to keep 8.2 and still have KDE 3.5 along with it? For example has anyone ever tried to install a 7.1 pre-built package (KDE 3.5 in this case) on an 8.2 system? Is that be possible? That should be possible if you install the required compat7x port on the system. Keep an eye on dependencies and make sure you won't be shooting your feet. A good start would be to install the KDE stuff on a clean system (right after compat7x) so there won't be much confusion. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 8.2 with pre-built KDE 3.5 package from FreeBSD 7.1 DVD
On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 01:25:03 + (GMT) Georg Reilinger wrote: As a consequence, I can see myself do two possible things, to have a system running with KDE 3.5 once again: 1. Go back to an older release of FreeBSD and install KDE 3.5 from the that's pointless 2. To be honest, I am quite happy with 8.2 and I would like to keep it for some time to come. In other words, is there a way to keep 8.2 and still have KDE 3.5 along with it? For example has anyone ever tried to install a 7.1 pre-built package (KDE 3.5 in this case) on an 8.2 system? Is that be possible? You can carry on using 3.5 on any current release. The problem is when it's eventually removed from ports, updating other ports may result in dependency problems. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 8.2 with pre-built KDE 3.5 package from FreeBSD 7.1 DVD
On Friday 18 January 2013 16:58:11 RW wrote: You can carry on using 3.5 on any current release. The problem is when it's eventually removed from ports, updating other ports may result in dependency problems. I'm already starting to experience some problems which I assume are due to incompatibility with some recently upgraded dependencies and I've finally, and somewhat reluctantly, switched to KDE 4.8. It's certainly more bloated than 3.5 but after getting rid of some unwanted eye candy it's not as bad as I expected, certainly better than last time I tried it out about a year ago. The most noticeable deterioration in performance is that it's much slower to start up than 3.5 was and kmail takes much longer to open a mail folder than it used to. -- Mike Clarke ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FreeBSD 8.2 with pre-built KDE 3.5 package from FreeBSD 7.1 DVD
Hi everybody, My issue is the following: As far as I know, FreeBSD has completely dropped support for KDE 3.5. Whether it's the ports, or the pkg_add precompiled binaries. Am I right in assuming this? I am currently running a live version of FreeBSD 8.2 with KDE 4.8. The thing here is, that KDE 4 is simply too heavy for my system. For example: it is impossible for me to have two open shells at the same time. Once I exit a given shell, I can't open another one due to a lack of resources, even after having turned off all the extra stuff - plasma desktop, nepomuk... As a consequence, I can see myself do two possible things, to have a system running with KDE 3.5 once again: 1. Go back to an older release of FreeBSD and install KDE 3.5 from the precompiled binaries that are on the DVD donwload version. Judging by the release announcements, this should be 7.1. http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.1R/announce.html This is something that I don't really feel like doing. 2. To be honest, I am quite happy with 8.2 and I would like to keep it for some time to come. In other words, is there a way to keep 8.2 and still have KDE 3.5 along with it? For example has anyone ever tried to install a 7.1 pre-built package (KDE 3.5 in this case) on an 8.2 system? Is that be possible? Any other solutions? Many thanks Georg ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 8.2 with pre-built KDE 3.5 package from FreeBSD 7.1 DVD
Some decisions from upstream are a PITA. I'm from Linux, it's more up-to-date than FreeBSD. On Linux I switched from KDE 3 to GNOME 2, when KDE 4 was introduced and from GNOME 2 to Xfce, when GNOME 3 was introduced. There are forks of GNOME 2, but I guess there's no fork of KDE 3. Some users claim that it should be possible to set up KDE 4, that it become equal to KDE 3. I doubt that. Another issue are hard dependencies, such as the dependency to the buggy pulseaudio. You better get rid of KDE and start to accustom to another DE. 2 Cents, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 8.2 with pre-built KDE 3.5 package from FreeBSD 7.1 DVD
Von: Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@rocketmail.com An: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Gesendet: 2:37 Freitag, 18.Januar 2013 Betreff: Re: FreeBSD 8.2 with pre-built KDE 3.5 package from FreeBSD 7.1 DVD -- Some decisions from upstream are a PITA. I'm from Linux, it's more up-to-date than FreeBSD. On Linux I switched from KDE 3 to GNOME 2, when KDE 4 was introduced and from GNOME 2 to Xfce, when GNOME 3 was introduced. I have tried both, GNOME and Xfce. Found both to be kinda yuckie. Not really feeling at home here. -- There are forks of GNOME 2, but I guess there's no fork of KDE 3. Actually there is. It is called Trinity: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/ , but I don't know, if it is currently supported on FreeBSD. If not, may be a reason, to become a porter! -- Some users claim that it should be possible to set up KDE 4, that it become equal to KDE 3. I doubt that. I highly and holily second that. I have heard quite a few people complain about KDE 4's heavy hunger for resources. -- Another issue are hard dependencies, such as the dependency to the buggy pulseaudio. You better get rid of KDE and start to accustom to another DE. This would be my very last option. As you can see, I am still working on a go around here. 2 Cents, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [Bulk] FreeBSD 8.2 with pre-built KDE 3.5 package from FreeBSD 7.1 DVD
On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 01:25:03 + (GMT) Georg Reilinger georgreilin...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi everybody, My issue is the following: As far as I know, FreeBSD has completely dropped support for KDE 3.5. Whether it's the ports, or the pkg_add precompiled binaries. Am I right in assuming this? I am currently running a live version of FreeBSD 8.2 with KDE 4.8. The thing here is, that KDE 4 is simply too heavy for my system. For example: it is impossible for me to have two open shells at the same time. Once I exit a given shell, I can't open another one due to a lack of resources, even after having turned off all the extra stuff - plasma desktop, nepomuk... As a consequence, I can see myself do two possible things, to have a system running with KDE 3.5 once again: 1. Go back to an older release of FreeBSD and install KDE 3.5 from the precompiled binaries that are on the DVD donwload version. Judging by the release announcements, this should be 7.1. http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.1R/announce.html This is something that I don't really feel like doing. 2. To be honest, I am quite happy with 8.2 and I would like to keep it for some time to come. In other words, is there a way to keep 8.2 and still have KDE 3.5 along with it? For example has anyone ever tried to install a 7.1 pre-built package (KDE 3.5 in this case) on an 8.2 system? Is that be possible? Any other solutions? Many thanks Georg ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I run xfce4 with FreeBSD 9.0 on an old Pentium 4 with 1.5 GB, and it works well. Resource requirements are much less than the latest KDE, and Unity is even more unworkable. KDE and Gnome have got very bloated in the last few years, IMHO and less intuitive. They seem to be going backwards. The multiple desktop feature is one of the main things that set Unix-style desktops way ahead of Windows, and now they have become harder to use. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 8.2 with pre-built KDE 3.5 package from FreeBSD 7.1 DVD
On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 03:06:15 +0100, Georg Reilinger georgreilin...@yahoo.de wrote: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/ Oops, I've forgotten that there is that fork. However, I suspect that KDE and GNOME forks will suffer from Qt and GTK dependencies, resp. the manpower (coders and user base, aka testers) to maintain the forks. A lot of people don't like that DEs do look like and behave similar as DEs for tablet PCs do, so in the near future, those forks might become more important. OTOH KDE 4 still is a classic DE and not one of those tablet PC like DEs. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 8.2 with pre-built KDE 3.5 package from FreeBSD 7.1 DVD
On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 01:25:03 + (GMT), Georg Reilinger wrote: As far as I know, FreeBSD has completely dropped support for KDE 3.5. As for other desktop environments, yes. Whether it's the ports, or the pkg_add precompiled binaries. Am I right in assuming this? I think KDE 3 is still in ports, but will be scheduled for removal, as KDE 4 is the place where development takes place, and there seems to be no active development on KDE 3 that can be built (!) on FreeBSD due to lack of contribution. I am currently running a live version of FreeBSD 8.2 with KDE 4.8. May I ask which live system this is? The thing here is, that KDE 4 is simply too heavy for my system. For example: it is impossible for me to have two open shells at the same time. Once I exit a given shell, I can't open another one due to a lack of resources, even after having turned off all the extra stuff - plasma desktop, nepomuk... Excuse me... you're joking, right? I assume you have a plentycore processor with Gigs of RAM, and already two shells show a problem? That sounds totally wrong. When you play a music file and move the window, do you get skipping audio, too? Just scary... As a consequence, I can see myself do two possible things, to have a system running with KDE 3.5 once again: 1. Go back to an older release of FreeBSD and install KDE 3.5 from the precompiled binaries that are on the DVD donwload version. Judging by the release announcements, this should be 7.1. Yes, this will work. But note that you are running an OS that has been gone out of support, so you probably won't be able to install newer software using ports or packages. However, you can use the system as is, and even use ports as long as the distfiles are still kept available online. 2. To be honest, I am quite happy with 8.2 and I would like to keep it for some time to come. In other words, is there a way to keep 8.2 and still have KDE 3.5 along with it? For example has anyone ever tried to install a 7.1 pre-built package (KDE 3.5 in this case) on an 8.2 system? Is that be possible? That should be possible if you install the required compat7x port on the system. Keep an eye on dependencies and make sure you won't be shooting your feet. A good start would be to install the KDE stuff on a clean system (right after compat7x) so there won't be much confusion. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
