Re: GUI Suggested?
On 23/09/2010 04:29, Jorge Biquez wrote: Hello all. In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never tried any graphical interface. I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) Thanks in advance Jorge Biquez Locally, on the desktop I use windowmaker. It's fast, simple and very customisable. Loads of little wm apps to help you along. Thousands of themes, easily themeable. When I need a graphical environment remotely, I tunnel a vnc connection through ssh and the desktop there is blackbox. Simple colours, no eye candy. Reasonably responsive even through an ISDN connection. -- John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On 09/23/10 11:04, Mike Clarke wrote: That's very similar to my experience too but I'm getting the feeling that I might have to move over to KDE4 before much longer due to reduced KDE3 support with some of the apps: Same here. I delayed trying KDE4 since my old box was too old; as soon as I got a new one, I tried it. I too fear I'll have to move on sooner or later, the last bug being Kuickshow not working with EXA acceleration (which is the only one supported by my new GPU's driver). However, after trying KDE4, I think I'll start looking into Gnome or XFCE or whatever, before taking a decision. I really hope KDE4 will improve in the meanwhile, so maybe I can check it out again. BTW, one thing I absolutely won't live with is the lack of keyboard shortcuts: in KDE3 I run plain Konsole with Windows-K and with Windows-R I start a root console. This doesn't seem to be possible on KDE4, and no, a plasmoid on the desktop with a session menu is NOT the same thing. bye av. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On 09/23/10 18:22, Adam Vande More wrote: If you tried on KDE 4.1, 4.2, then yes things have improved a lot. 4.3 was pretty big update in terms of stability, and 4.4 has been far more solid than not. I tried 4.5.1 on 8.1/i386 with every port updated, on a 4-core AMD CPU with a Radeon HD 4200: _ base components continuosly crash; _ there were severe rendering problems (i.e. black areas sometimes instead of icons, windows not updating when moved, ecc...); _ I possibly had driver problems, with some accelerations not working (could not enable it in the system settings); _ and everything was not just slow, but *SLOW*; _ it messed so much with my hardware, that I could not switch back to KDE3 without a reboot (simply restarting the X server was not enough). I do not hold by breath for burning windows, rotating desktops or other fancy effects, but the system was plainly unusable. So, I appreciate the nice work, but I'll wait for some new version. If some developer needs some info or wants me to do some test, I still have everything installed, so I'll gladly help. bye av. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On 09/23/10 10:46, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Thursday, September 23, 2010 a las 09:36:03AM +0100, Frank Shute escribió: My belief is that people who are comfortable with Gnome/KDE are people who are familiar with working in a GUI such as Windows® and haven't come from the commandline. So, I am an exception. bye av. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010: I'm not too sure what you're asking certain window should be moved by default to specific workspaces. Since you read the man page I'm guessing you're not talking about changing which xterm is in focus. Focus moves by defualt to each new tem that you open (alt-shift-return). Maybe www.scrotwm.org will help. ___ Nope. The wiki doesn't present anything either. What I mean is for example when I launch Firefox, I want it to go to workspace 3. When I launch gimp, I want it on workspace 7. I can easily specify that in xmonad, using either the window class or window title. I don't want to have to move all these windows where I want them every time I log in. Ah . . . I see. I'm not aware af that being a feature in scrotwm. The only thing I can suggest is to join the forum and ask. Like I said, scrotwm actively maintained and the devs will (likely) respond quickly. As far as what they say, suggestions are welcome, but they have to be persuaded. Best of luck. -Neal Discussion on the scrotwm forum confirms that this capability does not exist in scrotwm. They logged a feature request on my behalf. That's reason enough for me to stick with xmonad, unless a compelling counter-argument in favor of scrotwm emerges. So far, I haven't seen one. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgpCEQamEr1Wv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GUI Suggested?
Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 09:07:28PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/23/10 8:31 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). Why is written in C considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm developer(s)? Earlier today, I read this on the site: On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C. hahahahahahaha! What's up with that? How does Haskell cripple xmonad? In the end, you need not take yourself so seriously. The thread was generic enough to allow for some rhetorical flourish. I suggested something . . . pointed out that is written in C (as did the homepage) . . . AND you concluded some sort of insult; not my problem. Do you need a rim-shot for every joke? 1. Who said I took insult? You assume too much. 2. That was not a very clever joke, anyway. Where's the punchline? 3. That doesn't answer my question about the Scrotwm page. Even *I* am not so socially stunted as to think a comment like that on the Scrotwm site would not raise some eyebrows. Some? sure. In the end, scrotwm is a simple wm that allows the gui-apprehensive-type folk a nice CLI in X. That's all I was suggesting. Shave and a haircut . . . Chad? I don't think anyone was attacking you or your suggestion, Neal. I like what I see in scrotwm: copyfree license, lean approach, keyboard-centricity, minimalism. All good. It just doesn't have anything to pull me away from xmonad yet. Hope they keep up the good work. Regards, Chip -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgpigFvGmiLFH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:29 AM, Jorge Biquez jbiq...@intranet.com.mx wrote: I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? Using fluxbox here for ages (used olvwm, ctwm, and fvwm[2] before. It's low overhead, very low cpu/disk/memory footprint, very fast and reasonabley easy to configure and customize. IMHO, KDE Gnome are too heavyweight, but that's really a matter of taste (and adequate hardware). Jorge Biquez Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
I love Fluxbox too for its lightweightness and configurability. If you find it too minimalistic, I think that XFCE can be a good compromise also since it runs quite fast compared to KDE and Gnome while having most of their functionalities. XFCE is also compatible with Compiz... On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:39 PM, C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:29 AM, Jorge Biquez jbiq...@intranet.com.mx wrote: I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? Using fluxbox here for ages (used olvwm, ctwm, and fvwm[2] before. It's low overhead, very low cpu/disk/memory footprint, very fast and reasonabley easy to configure and customize. IMHO, KDE Gnome are too heavyweight, but that's really a matter of taste (and adequate hardware). Jorge Biquez Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On 09/23/10 06:53, Adam Vande More wrote: As stated before, it's really a personal matter. I like kde4 a lot, ... It's also lighter and faster than KDE3. It's pretty stable too, but not completely so. Strange. After years of KDE3 I tried KDE4 and switched back in half a day. I found it crawling slowly, with continuous crashes, rendering bugs and missing features... Of course, YMMV. bye av. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
El día Thursday, September 23, 2010 a las 09:38:03AM +0200, Andrea Venturoli escribió: On 09/23/10 06:53, Adam Vande More wrote: As stated before, it's really a personal matter. I like kde4 a lot, ... It's also lighter and faster than KDE3. It's pretty stable too, but not completely so. Strange. After years of KDE3 I tried KDE4 and switched back in half a day. I found it crawling slowly, with continuous crashes, rendering bugs and missing features... I'm using KDE 3.5.10 which very solid and stable. In May 2009 I tried KDE4, in a test machine and found it unstable and not so intiutive as KDE3. So I droped the idea to move to KDE4. Just my 0.02 pesos cubanos matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ Solidarity with the zionistic pirates of Israel? Not in my name! ¿Solidaridad con los piratas sionistas de Israel? ¡No en mi nombre! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:29:38PM -0500, Jorge Biquez wrote: Hello all. In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never tried any graphical interface. I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) Thanks in advance Jorge Biquez I remember years ago that I first started using Linux in just the console and did so for about 6 months before I set up X. It was such a pleasure to get away from a GUI and to a CLI :) When I did set up X, I used fvwm as my WM for many years, then Blackbox and now Fluxbox. I like the *boxes and fvwm as they have simple text based configuration files and are easy to customise to one's own needs. I still just have a couple of xterms running under fluxbox and tend to launch a lot of programs from them. You might find a simple setup, as I've described above, comfortable for your needs rather than a full-blown desktop environment such as Gnome or KDE. My belief is that people who are comfortable with Gnome/KDE are people who are familiar with working in a GUI such as Windows® and haven't come from the commandline. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
El día Thursday, September 23, 2010 a las 09:36:03AM +0100, Frank Shute escribió: My belief is that people who are comfortable with Gnome/KDE are people who are familiar with working in a GUI such as Windows® and haven't come from the commandline. Totally wrong for me. I come from a UNIX like System which was driven in batch jos in /370 main frame by 80 column puch cards and later UNIX7 in just ASCII cmd terminals. See: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.unix.wizards/msg/98fc9de7c77bff59 Ofc, today I do most of my work in XTerm, like using now mutt (as you do) and vim to write this mail. matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ Solidarity with the zionistic pirates of Israel? Not in my name! ¿Solidaridad con los piratas sionistas de Israel? ¡No en mi nombre! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Thursday 23 September 2010, Andrea Venturoli wrote: After years of KDE3 I tried KDE4 and switched back in half a day. I found it crawling slowly, with continuous crashes, rendering bugs and missing features... Of course, YMMV. That's very similar to my experience too but I'm getting the feeling that I might have to move over to KDE4 before much longer due to reduced KDE3 support with some of the apps: 1) There's a problem with gnupg 2.0.9 and Kgpg with KDE 3.5 which prevents kgpg parsing the keyring https://bugs.kde.org/188473. Apparently the code is totally different from what is in KDE4 and is scattered over several places so fixing this for KDE3 will (understandably) not be done. I've stuck with gnupg-2.0.9_3 which is still working OK but the recent removal of libassuan-1 causes a problem if I ever need to rebuild gnupg-2.0.9_3 2) kaffeine-1.0_1 now depends on some KDE4 libraries, I suspect other apps will follow in due course with the result that I'll start to see more bloat and potential conflicts. When I first tried KDE4 it was much slower than KDE3, have things improved sufficiently since then for me to think about upgrading? -- Mike Clarke ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:57 -0600, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Wed, 22 Sep 2010, Jorge Biquez wrote: I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? The Handbook covers setting up the three major desktop environments in http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11-wm.html. You don't have to choose one of those, there are lots of varied window managers, and advocates for each. There's an overview here on fd.o: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Desktops. Many of those are in ports. I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) Personally, I currently use xfce as lighter than the other members of the big three, while still offering the features I want. But it really is very subjective. For various purposes, I've used GNOME, KDE, icewm, fluxbox, blackbox, and others. Ports make these all pretty easy to install. +1 for xfce as not requiring quite so much stuff to be installed as GNOME and KDE, but still having what I need. I also like the xfce Terminal. (Have used GNOME, seems fine to me; haven't tried KDE.) If you want to go really lightweight, fluxbox and blackbox, which I've used and liked, have already been mentioned. I haven't had any problem running GNOME on not-the-latest hardware (Athlon XP CPU, Nvidia 7600 AGP GPU), so if yours is equivalent or newer, I don't know that performance will be a concern for any of the desktops. At that point it's just what feels most natural - what makes your most frequently-used apps and utilities quickly available to you, what interface seems easiest to work with, etc. Jud -- I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day. - Douglas Adams ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:29:38 -0500, Jorge Biquez jbiq...@intranet.com.mx wrote: I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? For many years now, I am happily using WindowMaker as my main desktop. It can be configured easily and does STAY OUT OF YOUR WAY, means it SUPPORTS you with the actions you intendedly want to take, so you can do whatever you want instead of messing with the window manager. It's also very lightweight. I've also tried tiling window managers, but their magic sadly didn't open up to me. Another lightweight, allthough obsolete (but still powerful) GUI is XFCE. When I write XFCE, I mean XFCE version 3. If I would mean Xfce 4, I would write Xfce. :-) A highly customizable and still quite professional environment is fvwm2. You can add as much stuff as you like, but you can also switch off all annoying things. I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) I still have a 300 MHz P2 with XFCE 3 that does *ALL* you just mentioned, and it does it fine. Keep in mind that your choice of window manager (or even full desktop environment) may depend on which applications you're using. For example, if you find KDE's applications best, you will probably want to use them with KDE, allthough you could also use them with Gnome, or even with WindowMaker (as I sometimes do for the two KDE programs I occassionally have to use). On the other hand, if the Gnome set of applications fits your needs better, go with Gnome. Internationalisation and language support can also be a thing to consider. In the past, I was often disappointed with KDE's sloppy and missing translations; as a German, I tried the german variant, but found that it is not very well supported - that was in KDE 3, maybe KDE 4 is better. Gnome in fact *had* a much better german language support. Finally, I switched all back to english (except OpenOffice) because the NATIVE language of the system and the applications is better than anything else. Finally, choosing a GUI may really be a trial error path. And if your need change, your choice may change, too. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
Quoth Jorge Biquez on Wednesday, 22 September 2010: Hello all. In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never tried any graphical interface. I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) Thanks in advance Jorge Biquez ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org After trying a few different WMs, I settled on xmonad. It's minimalist -- meaning it stays out of your way. It's also highly configurable, in Haskell. It's lightweight and fast. It's a developer's WM. I haven't been at all attracted to the various desktop managers: KDE, GNOME, etc. What do you get for all that weight? -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgpqDsl8mL8Ej.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 09:57:46PM -0600, Warren Block wrote: You don't have to choose one of those, there are lots of varied window managers, and advocates for each. There's an overview here on fd.o: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Desktops. Many of those are in ports. That's a much shorter list than I would have expected to find. This offers an incomplete (but longer) list of window managers, all of which are copyfree licensed: http://copyfree.org/software/#WM What I have been using for a few years is actually first in alphabetical order there -- AHWM. It is quite minimal and fast, with great keyboard shortcut support (a necessity, given that it's intended to be primarily keyboard driven). A much more comprehensive list of window managers is the Comprehensive List of Window Managers for Unix: http://www.gilesorr.com/wm/table.html KDE, GNOME, and XFCE are more than window managers -- they are desktop environments. Some people like that kind of bloat . . . err, I mean that kind of feature-richness. Other examples include GNUstep (which uses WindowMaker as its default window manager) and Enlightenment. If I *had* to choose a complete DE, rather than just a window manager, I'd probably go with Enlightenment. Since I don't have to, though, I stick with something *truly* lightweight like AHWM. Your mileage may vary, of course. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgp1WjJ6Jjn6v.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 4:04 AM, Mike Clarke jmc-freeb...@milibyte.co.ukwrote: When I first tried KDE4 it was much slower than KDE3, have things improved sufficiently since then for me to think about upgrading? If you tried on KDE 4.1, 4.2, then yes things have improved a lot. 4.3 was pretty big update in terms of stability, and 4.4 has been far more solid than not. All the base KDE apps seem to work appropriately, at least the ones I use. However in my use while KDE4 was unstable early, it was always faster than 3 at least when an app wasn't hung ;). Also for me, I went back and forth between 3 and 4 several times before finally sticking with 4. The UI does take some getting used too. Perhaps another part of the stability question is I don't turn on any of the fancy eye-candy effects. I don't use KDE because of the way it looks, I use it because it allows me to work in a efficient manner. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Thursday 23 September 2010, Adam Vande More wrote: If you tried on KDE 4.1, 4.2, then yes things have improved a lot. 4.3 was pretty big update in terms of stability, and 4.4 has been far more solid than not. All the base KDE apps seem to work appropriately, at least the ones I use. However in my use while KDE4 was unstable early, it was always faster than 3 at least when an app wasn't hung ;). Also for me, I went back and forth between 3 and 4 several times before finally sticking with 4. The UI does take some getting used too. I think the version I tried was 4.3.1 so it looks like it might be worth giving 4.4 a try on my spare partition. My other problem with upgrading KDE is that I'd like to run both versions for a while until I'm happy, dual booting into one of 2 different FreeBSD systems but using the same /home partition. KMail seems to use different directories for storing mail for versions 3 and 4 so how do I go about being able to access all my mail from both systems? -- Mike Clarke ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Jorge Biquez on Wednesday, 22 September 2010: Hello all. In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never tried any graphical interface. I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) Thanks in advance Jorge Biquez ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org After trying a few different WMs, I settled on xmonad. It's minimalist -- meaning it stays out of your way. It's also highly configurable, in Haskell. It's lightweight and fast. It's a developer's WM. If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Jorge Biquez on Wednesday, 22 September 2010: Hello all. In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never tried any graphical interface. I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) Thanks in advance Jorge Biquez ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org After trying a few different WMs, I settled on xmonad. It's minimalist -- meaning it stays out of your way. It's also highly configurable, in Haskell. It's lightweight and fast. It's a developer's WM. If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org scrotwm does look interesting -- I read through the man page, but couldn't find a way to specify that certain windows should be moved by default to specific workspaces. Can that be done? -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgpJ60GALSc7k.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Jorge Biquez on Wednesday, 22 September 2010: Hello all. In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never tried any graphical interface. I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) Thanks in advance Jorge Biquez ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org After trying a few different WMs, I settled on xmonad. It's minimalist -- meaning it stays out of your way. It's also highly configurable, in Haskell. It's lightweight and fast. It's a developer's WM. If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org scrotwm does look interesting -- I read through the man page, but couldn't find a way to specify that certain windows should be moved by default to specific workspaces. Can that be done? I'm not too sure what you're asking certain window should be moved by default to specific workspaces. Since you read the man page I'm guessing you're not talking about changing which xterm is in focus. Focus moves by defualt to each new tem that you open (alt-shift-return). Maybe www.scrotwm.org will help. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Jorge Biquez on Wednesday, 22 September 2010: Hello all. In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never tried any graphical interface. I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) Thanks in advance Jorge Biquez ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org After trying a few different WMs, I settled on xmonad. It's minimalist -- meaning it stays out of your way. It's also highly configurable, in Haskell. It's lightweight and fast. It's a developer's WM. If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org scrotwm does look interesting -- I read through the man page, but couldn't find a way to specify that certain windows should be moved by default to specific workspaces. Can that be done? I'm not too sure what you're asking certain window should be moved by default to specific workspaces. Since you read the man page I'm guessing you're not talking about changing which xterm is in focus. Focus moves by defualt to each new tem that you open (alt-shift-return). Maybe www.scrotwm.org will help. ___ Nope. The wiki doesn't present anything either. What I mean is for example when I launch Firefox, I want it to go to workspace 3. When I launch gimp, I want it on workspace 7. I can easily specify that in xmonad, using either the window class or window title. I don't want to have to move all these windows where I want them every time I log in. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgprtWAYpPu9X.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010: I'm not too sure what you're asking certain window should be moved by default to specific workspaces. Since you read the man page I'm guessing you're not talking about changing which xterm is in focus. Focus moves by defualt to each new tem that you open (alt-shift-return). Maybe www.scrotwm.org will help. ___ Nope. The wiki doesn't present anything either. What I mean is for example when I launch Firefox, I want it to go to workspace 3. When I launch gimp, I want it on workspace 7. I can easily specify that in xmonad, using either the window class or window title. I don't want to have to move all these windows where I want them every time I log in. Ah . . . I see. I'm not aware af that being a feature in scrotwm. The only thing I can suggest is to join the forum and ask. Like I said, scrotwm actively maintained and the devs will (likely) respond quickly. As far as what they say, suggestions are welcome, but they have to be persuaded. Best of luck. -Neal ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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If you prefer terminal applications you may get happy with blackbox. Its one of the smallest, but fully functional GUIs. And it is still kosher according to Unix standards. Its my favorite, I even prefer it to fluxbox, what is a little fancier. Cheers herb langhans -- sprachtraining langhans herbert langhans, warschau herbert.raimundatgmx.net http://www.langhans.com.pl +0048 603 341 441 | jabber:herbs | icq:414500866 | yahoo_im:herbert.raimund ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On 22 September 2010 23:29, Jorge Biquez jbiq...@intranet.com.mx wrote: Hello all. In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never tried any graphical interface. I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) x11/xorg x11-wm/evilwm www/opera x11/rxvt echo evilwm -term rxvt -bw 2 ~/.xinitrc echo rxvt ~/.xinitrc google docs seems to work okay for _most_ of the junk that gets shoved down the tubes. There is no port for it, but theoretically you can compile siag office from sources. -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). Why is written in C considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm developer(s)? Earlier today, I read this on the site: On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C. What's up with that? How does Haskell cripple xmonad? -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpWhokOr90bo.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Quoth Chad Perrin on Thursday, 23 September 2010: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). Why is written in C considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm developer(s)? Earlier today, I read this on the site: On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C. What's up with that? How does Haskell cripple xmonad? -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] I wondered the same thing myself. Haskell is compiled, and the result is very efficient. I also wondered why the mentions about being actively maintained -- it seems to me that xmonad gets updated pretty regularly. But I'm willing to give it a look. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgpYQR1NSyG5D.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On 9/23/10 8:31 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). Why is written in C considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm developer(s)? Earlier today, I read this on the site: On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C. What's up with that? How does Haskell cripple xmonad? My interpretation is that if you will be compiling software for a UNIX-like system, you will probably have some variant of a C compiler already available. Read as just build it and go versus just build its dependencies, then build it and go. Cheers, -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/23/10 8:31 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). Why is written in C considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm developer(s)? Earlier today, I read this on the site: On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C. hahahahahahaha! What's up with that? How does Haskell cripple xmonad? In the end, you need not take yourself so seriously. The thread was generic enough to allow for some rhetorical flourish. I suggested something . . . pointed out that is written in C (as did the homepage) . . . AND you concluded some sort of insult; not my problem. Do you need a rim-shot for every joke? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Chad Perrin on Thursday, 23 September 2010: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). Why is written in C considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm developer(s)? Earlier today, I read this on the site: On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C. What's up with that? How does Haskell cripple xmonad? -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] I wondered the same thing myself. Haskell is compiled, and the result is very efficient. I also wondered why the mentions about being actively maintained -- it seems to me that xmonad gets updated pretty regularly. I only mention scrotwm's active development, not to compare it's development to xmonad's, but to point out that your issues will be taken seriously . . . in a timely manner. . . not that they won't be take seriously in the xmonad setting. Please, use xmonad if it meets your requirements. I apologise for suggesting something. Chad P., take a pill ;-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 09:07:28PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/23/10 8:31 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). Why is written in C considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm developer(s)? Earlier today, I read this on the site: On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C. hahahahahahaha! What's up with that? How does Haskell cripple xmonad? In the end, you need not take yourself so seriously. The thread was generic enough to allow for some rhetorical flourish. I suggested something . . . pointed out that is written in C (as did the homepage) . . . AND you concluded some sort of insult; not my problem. Do you need a rim-shot for every joke? 1. Who said I took insult? You assume too much. 2. That was not a very clever joke, anyway. Where's the punchline? 3. That doesn't answer my question about the Scrotwm page. Even *I* am not so socially stunted as to think a comment like that on the Scrotwm site would not raise some eyebrows. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpWwsil6KpeG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 09:07:28PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/23/10 8:31 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). Why is written in C considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm developer(s)? Earlier today, I read this on the site: On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C. hahahahahahaha! What's up with that? How does Haskell cripple xmonad? In the end, you need not take yourself so seriously. The thread was generic enough to allow for some rhetorical flourish. I suggested something . . . pointed out that is written in C (as did the homepage) . . . AND you concluded some sort of insult; not my problem. Do you need a rim-shot for every joke? 1. Who said I took insult? You assume too much. 2. That was not a very clever joke, anyway. Where's the punchline? 3. That doesn't answer my question about the Scrotwm page. Even *I* am not so socially stunted as to think a comment like that on the Scrotwm site would not raise some eyebrows. Some? sure. In the end, scrotwm is a simple wm that allows the gui-apprehensive-type folk a nice CLI in X. That's all I was suggesting. Shave and a haircut . . . Chad? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
GUI Suggested?
Hello all. In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never tried any graphical interface. I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) Thanks in advance Jorge Biquez ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Wed, 22 Sep 2010, Jorge Biquez wrote: I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? The Handbook covers setting up the three major desktop environments in http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11-wm.html. You don't have to choose one of those, there are lots of varied window managers, and advocates for each. There's an overview here on fd.o: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Desktops. Many of those are in ports. I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) Personally, I currently use xfce as lighter than the other members of the big three, while still offering the features I want. But it really is very subjective. For various purposes, I've used GNOME, KDE, icewm, fluxbox, blackbox, and others. Ports make these all pretty easy to install. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Jorge Biquez jbiq...@intranet.com.mxwrote: Hello all. In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never tried any graphical interface. I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) As stated before, it's really a personal matter. I like kde4 a lot, especially konsole and konqueror. konsole seems to have a great blend of features(monitor for activity, etc.) and integration with other KDE apps as a snap-in. Basically things like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCL_6YNgc8w make it a breeze to keep separate groups for each item your working on. Konqueror runs firefox plugins, and supports the fish protocol which I occasionally find useful. It's also lighter and faster than KDE3. It's pretty stable too, but not completely so. Once in awhile a KDE4 will get hung like krdc and I'll have to restart rather than track down the issue. I guess I reboot my desktop on average once a month due to things like that so it's acceptable for me. You can use the handbook method of installing KDE4(which is much, much faster) or my method of installing: http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-po...@freebsd.org/msg25856.html Looking at my old post again, I notice I didn't include kde4 in the build. That would be this: portmaster --no-confirm -d /usr/ports/x11/kde4 #you make wish to add --no-confirm to the other portmaster commands as it's behaviour has changed. So it's not too hard to get it on your system. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
