Reconditioned Laptop advice

2008-03-28 Thread dhaneshk k


People   : I want to bu a laptop , for the time being I can't go for a high end 
machine like hp8510b or like those 

But I found in internet , about IBM  Thinkpad T40   Reconditioned :

So I want  people's valuable advice on Reconditioned machine ;is it safe to 
have this machine , I want to use FreeBSD on this machine , what about the 
reliability of Reconditioned machines ?: your advices may help me to take a 
good decision on my purchase.

thanks in advance
dhanesh


 
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Re: Reconditioned Laptop advice

2008-03-28 Thread Predrag Punosevac

dhaneshk k wrote:


People   : I want to bu a laptop , for the time being I can't go for a 
high end machine like hp8510b or like those


But I found in internet , about IBM  Thinkpad T40   Reconditioned :

ThinkPads are the highest quality machines. I honestly thing that there 
is nothing on the market which matches their
quality including Apple laptops.  I have ThingPad 390E PII which is 
seven years old and work like Swiss watch.

I bought it on an auction five years ago for $220.
The so called power sellers on Ebay are actually IBM or Lenovo proxy 
sellers. They sell machines which are back from

the business lease without charging customers taxes. ThinkPads love FreeBSD.

Best,
Predrag


So I want  people's valuable advice on Reconditioned machine ;is it 
safe to have this machine , I want to use FreeBSD on this machine , 
what about the reliability of Reconditioned machines ?: your advices 
may help me to take a good decision on my purchase.


thanks in advance
dhanesh


 
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Re: Reconditioned Laptop advice

2008-03-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar


So I want  people's valuable advice on Reconditioned machine ;is it safe to 
have this machine , I want to use FreeBSD on this machine , what about the 
reliability of Reconditioned machines ?: your advices may help me to take a 
good decision on my purchase.


actually better than new. everything that had to fail, already failed;)


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Re: Reconditioned Laptop advice

2008-03-28 Thread Robert Huff

Predrag Punosevac writes:

  ThinkPads are the highest quality machines. I honestly thing that
  there is nothing on the market which matches their quality
  including Apple laptops.

/Caveat emptor/.  I'm hearing reports from those who deal with
laptops much more that I do that quality has dropped substantially
since Lenovo took over.


Robert Huff


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Re: Reconditioned Laptop advice

2008-03-28 Thread DAve

Robert Huff wrote:

Predrag Punosevac writes:


 ThinkPads are the highest quality machines. I honestly thing that
 there is nothing on the market which matches their quality
 including Apple laptops.


/Caveat emptor/.  I'm hearing reports from those who deal with
laptops much more that I do that quality has dropped substantially
since Lenovo took over.


I am on my second Thinkpad/Lenovo, first a G40, now a R61i. I only 
replaced my G40 because it wouldn't hold enough ram to run VMWare 
player. I do not think the quality has suffered at all. I cannot say it 
runs FreeBSD well, though any FreeBSD live CD ran without error and 
everything functioned on the G40. I run FreeBSD in VMWare on the R61i.


Fantastic keyboards, long battery life, great screens. They hold up very 
well as I am hard on equipment. These things are tanks.


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Re: Laptop advice

2008-03-28 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 03:48:06PM -0400, Mike Jeays wrote:

 On March 27, 2008 03:09:42 pm mdh wrote:
  --- David Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:53:57PM -0400, Joe Demeny
  
   wrote:
In the end, the best advice seems to be indeed to
  
   take the FreeBSD CD
  
to the brick-and-mortar store...
  
   Or you could purchase an Apple Mac Book and have a
   commercially
   supported Unix pre-installed. Guess that would take
   all the fun out of
   it?
 
  While I like Mac products and OSX is pretty cool, I
  still find their laptops a bit pricey.
 
  By the by, has anyone tried FreeBSD on one of those
  little Asus EEEpc sublaptops?  A real, tiny, i386
  laptop for $300 (plus maybe a bit more for an
  additional SD card to bump the storage some) seems
  like a truly awesome deal.
 
 
 I bought an Eee PC, but haven't tried any other software on it yet.  I can 
 confirm that the hardware is a bargain, and I used it 'as is' while 
 travelling for ten days, and it connected 'out of the box' to the wireless 
 service provided in each hotel.  A mouse is a great help, although the 
 built-in pad is quite usable.  I had no trouble with the tiny keyboard, 
 except for needing the light on to read the keys.

What!!  You're not a touch typist??!!


A couple of others to look at:

 By HP:http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/19/hps-umpc-2133-revealed/

 By KJS:   http://www.umpcportal.com/products/product.php?id=130

 By Dell:  
http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_xt?c=uscs=04l=ens=bsd~tab=bundlestabdgc=STcid=27096lid=615901O

 By IBM:  
http://shop.lenovo.com/us/landing_pages/thinkpad/2008/X300?cid=us|semd|ggl|us_portable_en|t9C4|cs_kwcid=ContentNetwork|1073231341


I tried out a Kohjinsha in Japan and found that its small keyboard was 
pretty easy to use as well (I suppose some would have trouble with its 
size, but I found it fairly comfortable after a few minutes of getting 
used to it).  It looks about the same physical size as the EeePC.   It 
is a bit more expensive that the Eee, but it has 80GB/120 GB disk and 
some more other good features.   The display can be turned around and 
used like a tablet and there are models with touch screen. I was 
impressed with the display too.  Even though it was a 7 inch and not
exceptionally high resolution, it was sharp and very readable.   There 
is some company that is marketing a version of it with English language 
WinXP.  I don't know if they put an English language BIOS in it.  But, I 
find that machine very interesting.  It would fit in my jacket pocket - my 
major size qualifier.

Some comments and pictures:  http://technorati.com/photos/tag/kohjinsha

  Japanese website:http://kohjinsha.com/models/sa/lineupsa.html

Of course, Dell and IBM models are more featured, but are much larger and 
much more expensive.

The HP model is yet to be seen, but looks interesting.

 
jerry

 
 They are a really great innovation, IMHO.  I am really pleased with mine.
 
 The wireless card may be the problem with FreeBSD.
 
 
 
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Re: Reconditioned Laptop advice

2008-03-28 Thread Predrag Punosevac

Robert Huff wrote:

Predrag Punosevac writes:

  

 ThinkPads are the highest quality machines. I honestly thing that
 there is nothing on the market which matches their quality
 including Apple laptops.



/Caveat emptor/.  I'm hearing reports from those who deal with
laptops much more that I do that quality has dropped substantially
since Lenovo took over.


Robert Huff


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T23, T30, T40, T43 were made by IBM.

Best,
Predrag
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RE: Reconditioned Laptop advice

2008-03-28 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of dhaneshk k
 Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 10:50 PM
 To: Wojciech Puchar; Predrag Punosevac
 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Subject: Reconditioned Laptop advice
 
 
 
 
 People   : I want to bu a laptop , for the time being I can't go 
 for a high end machine like hp8510b or like those 
 
 But I found in internet , about IBM  Thinkpad T40   Reconditioned :
 
 So I want  people's valuable advice on Reconditioned machine ;is 
 it safe to have this machine , I want to use FreeBSD on this 
 machine , what about the reliability of Reconditioned machines ?: 
 your advices may help me to take a good decision on my purchase.
 

Do yourself a favor and as soon as you obtain your laptop, go out
and buy a brand new hard disk drive for it.  Not only will you
get a disk that is faster and larger, it will be much more reliable
than a ratty old hard drive that's probably been bumped and jostled
around a lot.

Ted
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Re: Laptop advice

2008-03-27 Thread Joe Demeny
On Monday 24 March 2008 06:04:17 am Jason P. Thomas wrote:
 Joe Demeny wrote:
  I need to get a budget-priced laptop, such as one of these:
 
  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834101123
  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834114430
 
  Does anyone have experience with these?
 
  Any suggestions for other comparable choices?

  From personal experience, getting a laptop to work under FreeBSD (or
 even Linux) is a hair pulling experience.  It took me about six months
 of tinkering off and on to get a Broadcom(yuck!) wifi adapter to work in
 my HP laptop last year.  In the interim, I found a work around that was
 about $30.  I purchased a usb wifi adapter that used the rum driver.  At
 the time, I had to run -current to get that particular driver, but I
 never had a problem with the computer or the adapter under -current.
 The most headaches I've gotten with laptops have always involved the
 wifi cards.  Consequently, every laptop I've installed FreeBSD and Linux
 on had a Broadcom(yuck!) wifi chipset.  Everything else has been well
 supported, graphics, sound, power management, pointing devices, and usb
 devices.  I even managed to use FreeBSD to connect to the robots I had
 to use in one of my master's classes last year.  That was pleasantly
 surprising.

 --Jay

Thank you all for your advice. I am familiar with the Hardware Notes. The 
problem is that from the specs it's hard to tell what is in the computer. The 
Gateway web site lists this under the specs: Integrated Realtek 802.11b/g 
Wireless Networking for Wireless Network; same for the Toshiba.

This is why I wondered if anyone has one of these laptops...

In the end, the best advice seems to be indeed to take the FreeBSD CD to the 
brick-and-mortar store...

-- 
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Re: Laptop advice

2008-03-27 Thread David Kelly
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:53:57PM -0400, Joe Demeny wrote:
 
 In the end, the best advice seems to be indeed to take the FreeBSD CD
 to the brick-and-mortar store...

Or you could purchase an Apple Mac Book and have a commercially
supported Unix pre-installed. Guess that would take all the fun out of
it?

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Re: Laptop advice

2008-03-27 Thread mdh
--- David Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:53:57PM -0400, Joe Demeny
 wrote:
  
  In the end, the best advice seems to be indeed to
 take the FreeBSD CD
  to the brick-and-mortar store...
 
 Or you could purchase an Apple Mac Book and have a
 commercially
 supported Unix pre-installed. Guess that would take
 all the fun out of
 it?

While I like Mac products and OSX is pretty cool, I
still find their laptops a bit pricey.  

By the by, has anyone tried FreeBSD on one of those
little Asus EEEpc sublaptops?  A real, tiny, i386
laptop for $300 (plus maybe a bit more for an
additional SD card to bump the storage some) seems
like a truly awesome deal.  



  

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Re: Laptop advice

2008-03-27 Thread Mike Jeays
On March 27, 2008 03:09:42 pm mdh wrote:
 --- David Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:53:57PM -0400, Joe Demeny
 
  wrote:
   In the end, the best advice seems to be indeed to
 
  take the FreeBSD CD
 
   to the brick-and-mortar store...
 
  Or you could purchase an Apple Mac Book and have a
  commercially
  supported Unix pre-installed. Guess that would take
  all the fun out of
  it?

 While I like Mac products and OSX is pretty cool, I
 still find their laptops a bit pricey.

 By the by, has anyone tried FreeBSD on one of those
 little Asus EEEpc sublaptops?  A real, tiny, i386
 laptop for $300 (plus maybe a bit more for an
 additional SD card to bump the storage some) seems
 like a truly awesome deal.



  
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I bought an Eee PC, but haven't tried any other software on it yet.  I can 
confirm that the hardware is a bargain, and I used it 'as is' while 
travelling for ten days, and it connected 'out of the box' to the wireless 
service provided in each hotel.  A mouse is a great help, although the 
built-in pad is quite usable.  I had no trouble with the tiny keyboard, 
except for needing the light on to read the keys.

They are a really great innovation, IMHO.  I am really pleased with mine.

The wireless card may be the problem with FreeBSD.



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Re: Laptop advice

2008-03-27 Thread Predrag Punosevac

Mike Jeays wrote:

On March 27, 2008 03:09:42 pm mdh wrote:
  

--- David Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:53:57PM -0400, Joe Demeny

wrote:
  

In the end, the best advice seems to be indeed to


take the FreeBSD CD

  

to the brick-and-mortar store...


Or you could purchase an Apple Mac Book and have a
commercially
supported Unix pre-installed. Guess that would take
all the fun out of
it?
  
I would get ThinkPad T30 or T23 from Ebay. They will work just fine with 
FreeBSD.

They go for $190-250.

Cheers,
Predrag



While I like Mac products and OSX is pretty cool, I
still find their laptops a bit pricey.

By the by, has anyone tried FreeBSD on one of those
little Asus EEEpc sublaptops?  A real, tiny, i386
laptop for $300 (plus maybe a bit more for an
additional SD card to bump the storage some) seems
like a truly awesome deal.



 
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I bought an Eee PC, but haven't tried any other software on it yet.  I can 
confirm that the hardware is a bargain, and I used it 'as is' while 
travelling for ten days, and it connected 'out of the box' to the wireless 
service provided in each hotel.  A mouse is a great help, although the 
built-in pad is quite usable.  I had no trouble with the tiny keyboard, 
except for needing the light on to read the keys.


They are a really great innovation, IMHO.  I am really pleased with mine.

The wireless card may be the problem with FreeBSD.



  


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Re: Laptop advice

2008-03-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar


I would get ThinkPad T30 or T23 from Ebay. They will work just fine with 
FreeBSD.



They go for $190-250.


my T23 works fine. all devices, no problems, any OS including FreeBSD of 
course

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RE: Laptop advice

2008-03-24 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 4:48 PM
 To: Derek Ragona
 Cc: Joe Demeny; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Subject: Re: Laptop advice
 
 
 On Mar 21, 2008, at 6:48 AM, Derek Ragona wrote:
 
  At 04:56 AM 3/21/2008, Joe Demeny wrote:
  I need to get a budget-priced laptop, such as one of these:
 
  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834101123
  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834114430
 
  Does anyone have experience with these?
 
  Any suggestions for other comparable choices?
 
  I would choose the Toshiba, much better quality and support.  You  
  may want to look at Lenovo's too.
 
  In a laptop I would look at the graphics if you plan to run X.
 
 In laptops you want to look at everything. If one of the chipset is  
 not supported or badly you cannot like on a desktop change a component  
 by an another.
 
 You want to go here http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.0R/hardware.html  
 and search if every component of you laptop is supported.
 

Unfortunately, it is quite common for laptop vendors to write specs
that use different names than industry standard for the components,
so it is difficult to figure this out in advance.

What you want to do is get yourself a FreeBSD boot CD then go
visit a computer vendor that has display models.  Do not order a
laptop online.  Visit a brick and mortar vendor, and try booting
fbsd on each of the display models.

Ted
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Re: Laptop advice

2008-03-24 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Monday, March 24, 2008 a las 12:29:16AM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt escribió:

 Unfortunately, it is quite common for laptop vendors to write specs
 that use different names than industry standard for the components,
 so it is difficult to figure this out in advance.
 
 What you want to do is get yourself a FreeBSD boot CD then go
 visit a computer vendor that has display models.  Do not order a
 laptop online.  Visit a brick and mortar vendor, and try booting
 fbsd on each of the display models.

A good way is also to let it boot a Knoppix boot CD / DVD which is able
to detect nearly all hardware used to assemble the laptop. Then take the
/var/log/messages output of this and check it against the FreeBSD
hardware notes.

matthias (running FreeBSD 7.0-R on laptop :-))
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Re: Laptop advice

2008-03-24 Thread Jason P. Thomas

Joe Demeny wrote:

I need to get a budget-priced laptop, such as one of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834101123
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834114430

Does anyone have experience with these?

Any suggestions for other comparable choices?

  
From personal experience, getting a laptop to work under FreeBSD (or 
even Linux) is a hair pulling experience.  It took me about six months 
of tinkering off and on to get a Broadcom(yuck!) wifi adapter to work in 
my HP laptop last year.  In the interim, I found a work around that was 
about $30.  I purchased a usb wifi adapter that used the rum driver.  At 
the time, I had to run -current to get that particular driver, but I 
never had a problem with the computer or the adapter under -current.  
The most headaches I've gotten with laptops have always involved the 
wifi cards.  Consequently, every laptop I've installed FreeBSD and Linux 
on had a Broadcom(yuck!) wifi chipset.  Everything else has been well 
supported, graphics, sound, power management, pointing devices, and usb 
devices.  I even managed to use FreeBSD to connect to the robots I had 
to use in one of my master's classes last year.  That was pleasantly 
surprising.


--Jay
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Re: Laptop advice

2008-03-24 Thread Outback Dingo
Id go an ASUS low end or Lenovo, I actually have never had an issue with
FreeBSD on an ASUS, except for built in web cam support, dells are nice but
ive experienced issues with three of them under BSD so ive been avoiding
them. I do have an ASUS W5A and a IBM Z60M Lenovo Thinkpad, both run linux
and BSD fine.

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Matthias Apitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 El día Monday, March 24, 2008 a las 12:29:16AM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt
 escribió:

  Unfortunately, it is quite common for laptop vendors to write specs
  that use different names than industry standard for the components,
  so it is difficult to figure this out in advance.
 
  What you want to do is get yourself a FreeBSD boot CD then go
  visit a computer vendor that has display models.  Do not order a
  laptop online.  Visit a brick and mortar vendor, and try booting
  fbsd on each of the display models.

 A good way is also to let it boot a Knoppix boot CD / DVD which is able
 to detect nearly all hardware used to assemble the laptop. Then take the
 /var/log/messages output of this and check it against the FreeBSD
 hardware notes.

matthias (running FreeBSD 7.0-R on laptop :-))
 --
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Re: Laptop advice

2008-03-23 Thread Fred C

On Mar 21, 2008, at 6:48 AM, Derek Ragona wrote:


At 04:56 AM 3/21/2008, Joe Demeny wrote:

I need to get a budget-priced laptop, such as one of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834101123
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834114430

Does anyone have experience with these?

Any suggestions for other comparable choices?


I would choose the Toshiba, much better quality and support.  You  
may want to look at Lenovo's too.


In a laptop I would look at the graphics if you plan to run X.


In laptops you want to look at everything. If one of the chipset is  
not supported or badly you cannot like on a desktop change a component  
by an another.


You want to go here http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.0R/hardware.html  
and search if every component of you laptop is supported.


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Laptop advice

2008-03-21 Thread Joe Demeny
I need to get a budget-priced laptop, such as one of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834101123
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834114430

Does anyone have experience with these?

Any suggestions for other comparable choices?

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Joe Demeny
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Re: Laptop advice

2008-03-21 Thread Colin Brace
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Joe Demeny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I need to get a budget-priced laptop, such as one of these:

  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834101123

Read the user comments carefully. For this laptop, you'll find, for example:

---
Cons: RTL8187B wireless chipset. If you want to use a wireless
connection under Linux this will give you problems. Tried several
distros with no success. Was finally able to get it to work
*intermittently* with Windows 98 drivers under Ndiswrapper - XP
drivers would not work.
---

If you plan on using wireless lan, you'll need to read the fine print
very carefully to determine whether there is BSD support for the given
chipset.

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Re: Laptop advice

2008-03-21 Thread Derek Ragona

At 04:56 AM 3/21/2008, Joe Demeny wrote:

I need to get a budget-priced laptop, such as one of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834101123
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834114430

Does anyone have experience with these?

Any suggestions for other comparable choices?


I would choose the Toshiba, much better quality and support.  You may want 
to look at Lenovo's too.


In a laptop I would look at the graphics if you plan to run X.

-Derek


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