Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Victor, If you are talking about human language translation, which I gather you are, then the amount of effort you will need to spend on developing and/or acquiring linguistic resources and/or building interfaces for linguists to code dictionaries and grammars, and/or interfaces for editors to render the output in a decent form, and/or tools to clean up the input, will far outweigh in importance the computational efficiency of your algorithms. Deciding between C++, Java, or Python etc. will be the very least of your problems... -- Colin Brace Amsterdam http://lim.nl ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 02:40:28PM -0400, Victor Subervi wrote: BTW, someone wisely suggested looking up what the industry uses. This from Google: ?translation software?java 2,350,000 hits ?translation software??c++ 224,000 hits Hmmm... Victor That's an indication of what people talk about the most. Not exactly the same thing. Also . . . what the industry uses depends on what industry. Google is mostly nonspecific in that regard when doing single-term searches like that. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Thomas McCauley: The measure of a man's real character is what he would do if he knew he would never be found out. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Hi; Way OT here...but don't know where else to ask ;) I'm considering starting an open source project for language translation. Initially, I'll write this in python (with both MySQL and OpenLDAP for different needs). But the processing will be heavy duty, so I need to look toward a low-level language. I am not good in any :( I'm thinking Java's probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out there than any other language (I think). But what about C++ or C#? Your comments would be appreciated. TIA, Victor ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Victor Subervi wrote: Hi; Way OT here...but don't know where else to ask ;) I'm considering starting an open source project for language translation. Initially, I'll write this in python (with both MySQL and OpenLDAP for different needs). But the processing will be heavy duty, so I need to look toward a low-level language. I am not good in any :( I'm thinking Java's probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out there than any other language (I think). But what about C++ or C#? Your comments would be appreciated. TIA, Victor ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't realy concider java to be a low-level language, so I would take a look at C or C++ first (And TBH I think there are at least as many C/C++ programmers as Java programmes ). Good luck with your project, -- -Frank Staals ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Java not low level? It's a scripting lang? Doesn't compile? C is easy enough. C++ is tough but would be necessary. What about C#? Forget it? TIA, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 12:02 PM, Frank Staals [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Victor Subervi wrote: Hi; Way OT here...but don't know where else to ask ;) I'm considering starting an open source project for language translation. Initially, I'll write this in python (with both MySQL and OpenLDAP for different needs). But the processing will be heavy duty, so I need to look toward a low-level language. I am not good in any :( I'm thinking Java's probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out there than any other language (I think). But what about C++ or C#? Your comments would be appreciated. TIA, Victor ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't realy concider java to be a low-level language, so I would take a look at C or C++ first (And TBH I think there are at least as many C/C++ programmers as Java programmes ). Good luck with your project, -- -Frank Staals ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Hi, Victor Subervi wrote: toward a low-level language. I am not good in any :( I'm thinking Java's Assembler? probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out there than any other language (I think). But what about C++ or C#? Your comments I would use a combination out of C and C++. Even if there are more Java programmers out there, they not have the experience of the most C/C++ programmers. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Good point. Most legacy s/w is in C++. I'm assuming from lack of comment that C# is as yet an unborn language ;) TIA, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 12:28 PM, Erich Dollansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Victor Subervi wrote: toward a low-level language. I am not good in any :( I'm thinking Java's Assembler? probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out there than any other language (I think). But what about C++ or C#? Your comments I would use a combination out of C and C++. Even if there are more Java programmers out there, they not have the experience of the most C/C++ programmers. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Victor Subervi wrote: I'm thinking Java's probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out there than any other language (I think). That's almost always the *worst* reason for choosing a language. On similar basis, you might want to do it in PHP since a lot of people use it. It's exceedingly tough to use Java for high-performance applications, especially if you're just starting out in it. It apparently can be done, but only by experts (average quality code in Java is almost certain to be slow). But what about C++ or C#? Your comments would be appreciated. C# is similar in this way to Java, though my own experience says it's faster than Java. C++ or C are, of course, faster than any of the mentioned languages. If it's not a serious project and you just want to learn a new language, try D (http://www.digitalmars.com/d/). It's similar to C, C++ and Java but has some very nice features that sometimes make it even Python-like. It's almost as fast as C (http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/debian/benchmark.php?test=alllang=dlanglang2=gcc). signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. Go figure. Sounds like C++ is the way to go. Now, getting back on topic :) I know that one has to install all sorts of s/w and rebuild the kernel for working with Java. Is that true of C++ as well? Or is it like C, native to FBSD? TIA, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 12:55 PM, Ivan Voras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Victor Subervi wrote: I'm thinking Java's probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out there than any other language (I think). That's almost always the *worst* reason for choosing a language. On similar basis, you might want to do it in PHP since a lot of people use it. It's exceedingly tough to use Java for high-performance applications, especially if you're just starting out in it. It apparently can be done, but only by experts (average quality code in Java is almost certain to be slow). But what about C++ or C#? Your comments would be appreciated. C# is similar in this way to Java, though my own experience says it's faster than Java. C++ or C are, of course, faster than any of the mentioned languages. If it's not a serious project and you just want to learn a new language, try D (http://www.digitalmars.com/d/). It's similar to C, C++ and Java but has some very nice features that sometimes make it even Python-like. It's almost as fast as C ( http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/debian/benchmark.php?test=alllang=dlanglang2=gcc ). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Hi, Victor Subervi wrote: Good point. Most legacy s/w is in C++. I'm assuming from lack of comment that C# is as yet an unborn language ;) there is another very simple problem with languages like C# or Java. In the case of C, it is the developers machine which has to have the proper software installed to compile it. Java need the proper run-time and so the byte compiler installed on every client machine. If you run into a very specific problem with the byte-compiler, you have to have a specific version installed on all clients. In case of C, you can do a static link to minimise this impact. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Victor Subervi wrote: I know that one has to install all sorts of s/w and rebuild the kernel for working with Java. Is that true of C++ as well? Or is it like C, native to FBSD? It's native - it's the GNU c++ compiler (g++). signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Yuck. Steering clear of Java ... :) Thanks, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:05 PM, Erich Dollansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Victor Subervi wrote: Good point. Most legacy s/w is in C++. I'm assuming from lack of comment that C# is as yet an unborn language ;) there is another very simple problem with languages like C# or Java. In the case of C, it is the developers machine which has to have the proper software installed to compile it. Java need the proper run-time and so the byte compiler installed on every client machine. If you run into a very specific problem with the byte-compiler, you have to have a specific version installed on all clients. In case of C, you can do a static link to minimise this impact. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Perfect. Yet another reason to choose c++ Thanks, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:14 PM, Victor Subervi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yuck. Steering clear of Java ... :) Thanks, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:05 PM, Erich Dollansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Victor Subervi wrote: Good point. Most legacy s/w is in C++. I'm assuming from lack of comment that C# is as yet an unborn language ;) there is another very simple problem with languages like C# or Java. In the case of C, it is the developers machine which has to have the proper software installed to compile it. Java need the proper run-time and so the byte compiler installed on every client machine. If you run into a very specific problem with the byte-compiler, you have to have a specific version installed on all clients. In case of C, you can do a static link to minimise this impact. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Victor Subervi wrote: Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. Go figure. Sounds like C++ is the way to go. Now, getting back on topic :) I know that one has to install all sorts of s/w and rebuild the kernel for working with Java. Is that true of C++ as well? Or is it like C, native to FBSD? If your talking natural langs then Henry Pjiffers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has done a fair amount of work... even though he might attempt to sell you on enhanced open-source ;-) [I would also do this if I had done work in the translation area... he is the other 1/3 of the licensing model I have mentioned a few times on the lists] - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHeSXpzIOMjAek4JIRAstpAJwLfmUpzghGV22K7iVt3iKsc9rrAgCcCdBZ DoWyBolAD6sd5x3E1/W12/g= =luLC -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Thanks. I'll drop him a line. Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:24 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Victor Subervi wrote: Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. Go figure. Sounds like C++ is the way to go. Now, getting back on topic :) I know that one has to install all sorts of s/w and rebuild the kernel for working with Java. Is that true of C++ as well? Or is it like C, native to FBSD? If your talking natural langs then Henry Pjiffers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has done a fair amount of work... even though he might attempt to sell you on enhanced open-source ;-) [I would also do this if I had done work in the translation area... he is the other 1/3 of the licensing model I have mentioned a few times on the lists] - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHeSXpzIOMjAek4JIRAstpAJwLfmUpzghGV22K7iVt3iKsc9rrAgCcCdBZ DoWyBolAD6sd5x3E1/W12/g= =luLC -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Victor Subervi wrote: Thanks. I'll drop him a line. Forgot to mention that as far I know it is straight Java also. As a side note to those who are knocking Java a few things need to be dismistified: I don't know if I am the exception but I know a fair number of people who have switched from c/c++ to Java (like me)... most of my carrer (and still do) is writting high performence code (largely via custom alogrithems instead of hand optimization) and have had zero issue with Java in this issue (except for the slow startup time for the jvm). Matter one of my projects is a Java--native compiler which I eventually plan to base an OS around. Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:24 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Victor Subervi wrote: Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. Go figure. Sounds like C++ is the way to go. Now, getting back on topic :) I know that one has to install all sorts of s/w and rebuild the kernel for working with Java. Is that true of C++ as well? Or is it like C, native to FBSD? If your talking natural langs then Henry Pjiffers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has done a fair amount of work... even though he might attempt to sell you on enhanced open-source ;-) [I would also do this if I had done work in the translation area... he is the other 1/3 of the licensing model I have mentioned a few times on the lists] - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHeSd0zIOMjAek4JIRAhgBAJ9mX2SUOPMBIKSse9/09BE8owV1QQCfTD6O IU5nLP56NiASTFp90dMxrco= =jQgV -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Hmm. Why did you switch to Java? Also, that email address for Henry bounced :-} Could you check it? TIA, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:31 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Victor Subervi wrote: Thanks. I'll drop him a line. Forgot to mention that as far I know it is straight Java also. As a side note to those who are knocking Java a few things need to be dismistified: I don't know if I am the exception but I know a fair number of people who have switched from c/c++ to Java (like me)... most of my carrer (and still do) is writting high performence code (largely via custom alogrithems instead of hand optimization) and have had zero issue with Java in this issue (except for the slow startup time for the jvm). Matter one of my projects is a Java--native compiler which I eventually plan to base an OS around. Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:24 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Victor Subervi wrote: Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. Go figure. Sounds like C++ is the way to go. Now, getting back on topic :) I know that one has to install all sorts of s/w and rebuild the kernel for working with Java. Is that true of C++ as well? Or is it like C, native to FBSD? If your talking natural langs then Henry Pjiffers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has done a fair amount of work... even though he might attempt to sell you on enhanced open-source ;-) [I would also do this if I had done work in the translation area... he is the other 1/3 of the licensing model I have mentioned a few times on the lists] - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHeSd0zIOMjAek4JIRAhgBAJ9mX2SUOPMBIKSse9/09BE8owV1QQCfTD6O IU5nLP56NiASTFp90dMxrco= =jQgV -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
On 11:57:01 Dec 31, Victor Subervi wrote: Hi; Way OT here...but don't know where else to ask ;) I don't think so. I'm considering starting an open source project for language translation. Initially, I'll write this in python (with both MySQL and OpenLDAP for different needs). But the processing will be heavy duty, so I need to look toward a low-level language. I am not good in any :( I'm thinking Java's probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out there than any other language (I think). But what about C++ or C#? Your comments would be appreciated. I am yet to find something that C cannot do. I just finished creating the web interface for my firewall product in C. (I don't mean the interface,but the interface backend) The inteface will be in jQuery of course. No two ways about it. (http://jquery.com ) I have coded support for unlimited UNDO/REDO/BACK/FORWARD (time travel), support for concurrent processing, high performance, crash recovery and avoided the flaws of on the fly file reading in CGI/Ajax programming. I used a combo of UNIX domain sockets, daemon(3),poll(2), sophisticated linked lists with queue(3) macros, even object oriented programming all in C. Wondering how to do OO in C? Look at GTK. You can embed function pointers in structures right? And create a linked list? What more do you need for OO? Forget protection , encapsulation and all that marketing bullshit. We have code that works and that is what counts. Performance? Can you ever match C? This is a highly sensitive topic in which passions run high. So I don't plan to create a flame war in this beautiful New Year eve.;) Hope this helps. Wish you the very best in your project and may God bless you with every success! Happy 2008! -Girish ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Victor Subervi wrote: Hmm. Why did you switch to Java? Rich system API, everything inherits from Object (helps in many situations), the relization that 99% of time I was using ptrs it was only to keep a ref to some struct in RAM (the only time I have ever found a use for them is when for some hardware reason you *MUST* address a specific address in RAM) for low level work you can turn the GC off via a non-JVM compilor, etc. Basically it lets me not worry about low level details that are pure book keeping vs. some performence/functionality gain Also, that email address for Henry bounced [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHeSpRzIOMjAek4JIRAl1WAJ0bUH073PKH/wjg8cGvtY5Ww7IqaQCfTPws DWVv6YiE9DEC9vL2Pc0BIDo= =VmKj -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Yeah, this is what happens when some ding-a-ling asks a wide open emotionally sensitive question on an issue he knows nothing about LOL. Do it all in C? Interesting. Much easier, much more support from the community. Will look into it. Is jquery installed server-side? TIA, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:41 PM, Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello: Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. I don't have the original post, but if you're talking about translating between human languages ... are you aware of OmegaT? (http://sourceforge.net/projects/omegat/www.omegat.org;) Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: Victor Subervi wrote: Hmm. Why did you switch to Java? Rich system API, everything inherits from Object (helps in many situations), the relization that 99% of time I was using ptrs it was only to keep a ref to some struct in RAM (the only time I have ever found a use for them is when for some hardware reason you *MUST* address a specific address in RAM) for low level work you can turn the GC off via a non-JVM compilor, etc. Basically it lets me not worry about low level details that are pure book keeping vs. some performence/functionality gain Forgot to mention reflection which makes certain things possible (not just easier)... for example the aMock product I make would be impossible without reflection and even thisTest would be significantly harder to use without it. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHeSwYzIOMjAek4JIRAl6DAKCNiZ6wv2cyyWbRzUpnUYa98X7lPACcDlfQ fmt4j82cfv77ixXRVlWbck8= =QhCH -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Thanks for both :) Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:50 PM, Victor Subervi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, this is what happens when some ding-a-ling asks a wide open emotionally sensitive question on an issue he knows nothing about LOL. Do it all in C? Interesting. Much easier, much more support from the community. Will look into it. Is jquery installed server-side? TIA, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:41 PM, Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello: Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. I don't have the original post, but if you're talking about translating between human languages ... are you aware of OmegaT? ( http://sourceforge.net/projects/omegat/www.omegat.org;) Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:04:07 -0400 Victor Subervi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. If I were you, I'd look into what languages the industry is using. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 RW wrote: On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:04:07 -0400 Victor Subervi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. If I were you, I'd look into what languages the industry is using. C and Java. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHeS1RzIOMjAek4JIRAk7EAKCLVho0xH0JUMD9axAgov0skoTeSgCfefqB ubBjgpMuJUOwHYBeyLJY+iQ= =00mx -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Now that's the smartest suggestion yet! Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:56 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 RW wrote: On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:04:07 -0400 Victor Subervi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. If I were you, I'd look into what languages the industry is using. C and Java. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHeS1RzIOMjAek4JIRAk7EAKCLVho0xH0JUMD9axAgov0skoTeSgCfefqB ubBjgpMuJUOwHYBeyLJY+iQ= =00mx -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
Annoted :) On 12/31/07, Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Victor Subervi writes: Yeah, this is what happens when some ding-a-ling asks a wide open emotionally sensitive question on an issue he knows nothing about LOL. Do it all in C? Interesting. Much easier, much more support from the community. Will look into it. Is jquery installed server-side? I do not now and have never used the program. I have no idea how it works. I know tanslation professional who have used it, or who have evaluated it in compariso to thigs like Trados ad DejaVu. If your project ever reaches beta, or if you're doing a re-write and want input on what features real users would kill for, look me up and I can put you in contact. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
BTW, someone wisely suggested looking up what the industry uses. This from Google: ¨translation software¨java 2,350,000 hits ¨translation software¨¨c++ 224,000 hits Hmmm... Victor On 12/31/07, Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Victor Subervi writes: Yeah, this is what happens when some ding-a-ling asks a wide open emotionally sensitive question on an issue he knows nothing about LOL. Do it all in C? Interesting. Much easier, much more support from the community. Will look into it. Is jquery installed server-side? I do not now and have never used the program. I have no idea how it works. I know tanslation professional who have used it, or who have evaluated it in compariso to thigs like Trados ad DejaVu. If your project ever reaches beta, or if you're doing a re-write and want input on what features real users would kill for, look me up and I can put you in contact. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
BTW, someone wisely suggested looking up what the industry uses. This from Google: ¨translation software¨java 2,350,000 hits ¨translation software¨¨c++ 224,000 hits Hmmm... Victor On 12/31/07, Victor Subervi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Annoted :) On 12/31/07, Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Victor Subervi writes: Yeah, this is what happens when some ding-a-ling asks a wide open emotionally sensitive question on an issue he knows nothing about LOL. Do it all in C? Interesting. Much easier, much more support from the community. Will look into it. Is jquery installed server-side? I do not now and have never used the program. I have no idea how it works. I know tanslation professional who have used it, or who have evaluated it in compariso to thigs like Trados ad DejaVu. If your project ever reaches beta, or if you're doing a re-write and want input on what features real users would kill for, look me up and I can put you in contact. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
On Monday 31 December 2007, Victor Subervi wrote: Hi; Way OT here...but don't know where else to ask ;) I'm considering starting an open source project for language translation. Initially, I'll write this in python (with both MySQL and OpenLDAP for different needs). But the processing will be heavy duty, so I need to look toward a low-level language. I am not good in any :( I'm thinking Java's probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out there than any other language (I think). But what about C++ or C#? Your comments would be appreciated. TIA, Victor checkout freepascal. its oo, has good language features, easier to learn than c/c++, well established. good email list for developer advice. http://www.freepascal.org/download.var neal. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT
On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 00:28:35 +0800 Erich Dollansky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Victor Subervi wrote: toward a low-level language. I am not good in any :( I'm thinking Java's Assembler? probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out there than any other language (I think). But what about C++ or C#? Your comments I would use a combination out of C and C++. Even if there are more Java programmers out there, they not have the experience of the most C/C++ programmers. Erich Yes, C/C++ would be ideal as low level language combo. But a hybrid approach is not bad either, e.g. C/C++ for bottlenecks that ought to be fast, Python for everything else. You can nicely mix and match Python and C/C++ with tools like SWIG or with the Boost.Python C++ library. Give it a try, you won't regret it. Even if only while developping pure C/C++ code, it ain't bad to use a hybrid approach for unit testing, rapid prototyping etc. during development. Happy new year to all. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
