Re: Proper way to share ZFS via NFS

2013-09-11 Thread krad
If you cant cope with multiple operating systems and their differences you
are probably in the wrong job.


On 10 September 2013 19:39, Steve O'Hara-Smith st...@sohara.org wrote:

 On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 12:10:13 +0100
 krad kra...@gmail.com wrote:

  which is why you shouldnt use /etc/exports for zfs datasets. Just because

 Not so clear, if you are using a mixture of filesystems you may
 very sensibly opt to keep all your export controls in one place, similarly
 if you have servers running multiple OSs then not having to remember that
 the FreeBSD/ZFS box manages it's exports differently to the Linux/ext2fs
 may well be a benefit. You may have management tools and not wish to extend
 them to handle ZFS explicitly.

 There can be good reasons both ways.

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Re: Proper way to share ZFS via NFS

2013-09-11 Thread Matthias Gamsjager
Offtopic but since when is it ok the behave like this in the freebsd
mailing list. Really no need to get personal...


On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 8:50 AM, krad kra...@gmail.com wrote:

 If you cant cope with multiple operating systems and their differences you
 are probably in the wrong job.


 On 10 September 2013 19:39, Steve O'Hara-Smith st...@sohara.org wrote:

  On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 12:10:13 +0100
  krad kra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   which is why you shouldnt use /etc/exports for zfs datasets. Just
 because
 
  Not so clear, if you are using a mixture of filesystems you may
  very sensibly opt to keep all your export controls in one place,
 similarly
  if you have servers running multiple OSs then not having to remember that
  the FreeBSD/ZFS box manages it's exports differently to the Linux/ext2fs
  may well be a benefit. You may have management tools and not wish to
 extend
  them to handle ZFS explicitly.
 
  There can be good reasons both ways.
 
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Re: Proper way to share ZFS via NFS

2013-09-11 Thread krad
point taken brain not properly booted up this morning it seems


On 11 September 2013 07:59, Matthias Gamsjager mgamsja...@gmail.com wrote:


 Offtopic but since when is it ok the behave like this in the freebsd
 mailing list. Really no need to get personal...


 On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 8:50 AM, krad kra...@gmail.com wrote:

 If you cant cope with multiple operating systems and their differences you
 are probably in the wrong job.


 On 10 September 2013 19:39, Steve O'Hara-Smith st...@sohara.org wrote:

  On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 12:10:13 +0100
  krad kra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   which is why you shouldnt use /etc/exports for zfs datasets. Just
 because
 
  Not so clear, if you are using a mixture of filesystems you may
  very sensibly opt to keep all your export controls in one place,
 similarly
  if you have servers running multiple OSs then not having to remember
 that
  the FreeBSD/ZFS box manages it's exports differently to the Linux/ext2fs
  may well be a benefit. You may have management tools and not wish to
 extend
  them to handle ZFS explicitly.
 
  There can be good reasons both ways.
 
  --
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  C:WIN  | A better way to focus the
 sun
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  You lose and Bill collects. |http://www.sohara.org/
 
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Re: Proper way to share ZFS via NFS

2013-09-10 Thread krad
which is why you shouldnt use /etc/exports for zfs datasets. Just because
you can do something doesn't mean you should eg dancing down the motorway
at night in dark clothing is never a good idea, no matter how confident you
are in your skills.


On 9 September 2013 15:22, Steve O'Hara-Smith st...@sohara.org wrote:

 On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 11:43:03 -0700
 aurfalien aurfal...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi,
 
  Wondering whats the correct way to share ZFS, /etc/exports or via zfs
  commands which alter /etc/zfs/exports?

 As far as I can see both work just fine. The first has the benefit
 that it puts your ZFS exports in the standard place for exports and won't
 need fiddling with if you decide that you want to move one of them to some
 other filesystem. The second has the benefit that it integrates better with
 the ZFS tools.

 The one thing you don't want to do is put the same export in both.
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Re: Proper way to share ZFS via NFS

2013-09-10 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 12:10:13 +0100, krad wrote:
 which is why you shouldnt use /etc/exports for zfs datasets. Just because
 you can do something doesn't mean you should eg dancing down the motorway
 at night in dark clothing is never a good idea, no matter how confident you
 are in your skills.

ZFS _encourages_ the use of its own toolset instead of those
known from UFS. This includes the file system handling as well
as backup/restore processes, mounting and exporting. ZFS has
its own equivalents for those things. It's probably the best
choice to use the _right_ tools here. :-)



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Re: Proper way to share ZFS via NFS

2013-09-10 Thread Steve O'Hara-Smith
On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 12:10:13 +0100
krad kra...@gmail.com wrote:

 which is why you shouldnt use /etc/exports for zfs datasets. Just because

Not so clear, if you are using a mixture of filesystems you may
very sensibly opt to keep all your export controls in one place, similarly
if you have servers running multiple OSs then not having to remember that
the FreeBSD/ZFS box manages it's exports differently to the Linux/ext2fs
may well be a benefit. You may have management tools and not wish to extend
them to handle ZFS explicitly.

There can be good reasons both ways.

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Re: Proper way to share ZFS via NFS

2013-09-09 Thread krad
always the zfs commands for zfs filesystems, otherwise why else  would they
be there? Do it manually and you could get conflicts later down the line


On 6 September 2013 19:43, aurfalien aurfal...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Wondering whats the correct way to share ZFS, /etc/exports or via zfs
 commands which alter /etc/zfs/exports?

 I see a lot of both on line.

 Thanks in advance,

 - aurf


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Re: Proper way to share ZFS via NFS

2013-09-09 Thread Steve O'Hara-Smith
On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 11:43:03 -0700
aurfalien aurfal...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Wondering whats the correct way to share ZFS, /etc/exports or via zfs
 commands which alter /etc/zfs/exports?

As far as I can see both work just fine. The first has the benefit
that it puts your ZFS exports in the standard place for exports and won't
need fiddling with if you decide that you want to move one of them to some
other filesystem. The second has the benefit that it integrates better with
the ZFS tools.

The one thing you don't want to do is put the same export in both.
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Proper way to share ZFS via NFS

2013-09-06 Thread aurfalien
Hi,

Wondering whats the correct way to share ZFS, /etc/exports or via zfs commands 
which alter /etc/zfs/exports?

I see a lot of both on line.

Thanks in advance,

- aurf

 
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