Re: much to my surprise.... [ now trending #OT ]

2011-09-23 Thread Dave
From:   Matt Emmerton m...@gsicomp.on.ca

 snip
 
  but i've been doing this for a while, and
  until i was away for five days, everything had been going
  fine for over a month.  oh:: one power-out.  the UPS saved
  the server, but everything else needed to be reinitialized.
 
 A lesson that I learned many years ago - if you can afford a big UPS
 for your servers, you can afford a little one for your telco/network
 equipment.
 

I'm using some PoE kit to power the router remotely down it's LAN cable, 
that in turn run's from the protected supply from the UPS.  Said UPS also 
powers the main network switch, as well as my own LAN server (f'BSD 
based, to stay vaguely on toppic!) Plus two other PC's and a NAS device.

It'll hold that lot up, for over 20 minutes when the lights go out (the 
longest unscheduled outage so far.)  It's also configured to NOT come 
back, if it runs down and cuts out.  I'll do that manually if needed.  
(Not so far.)  I never did get the BSD port of APCUPSD to work correctly.

All works well.  Also, easy to do a router Hard restart, without going 
to the router itself.   And if it does all die, it fails safe.

Regards.

Dave B.

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Re: much to my surprise.... [ now trending #OT ]

2011-09-23 Thread Gary Kline
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:48:09PM -0400, Matt Emmerton wrote:
 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 22:48:09 -0400
 From: Matt Emmerton m...@gsicomp.on.ca
 Subject: RE: much to my surprise [ now trending #OT ]
 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
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   *Finally*, i  saw that my telco router was displaying INT in red
   LED's.  i didn't know they displayed in any other color but the
   default green, but after power-cycling, voila! back to green.  
   and now, yes, i can ping freebsd.org.  and i'm pretty sure other
   network things will work too.  
 
 The Mark I eyeball is an amazing tool.

well, cant be sure, but my router is q1000.  [?]

 
 I recently had a HDSL link provided by my telco go down.  I happened to be 2
 hours away from the facility at the time.  Tech support said the problem was
 the router because they couldn't get to it, and they just wouldn't believe
 me that it was up.  (I could ping it from the inside via the secondary
 network connection.)  So after I drove to the facility, I noticed that the
 HDSL modem (which is line-powered from some box on the street) had no
 lights.  Ahah!  28 hours later (sigh) they found a blown circuit breaker
 somewhere.


AH!  one thin i have has problems with over the years is
cars hitting power poles somewhere and that knocks me off. 
After last time i put everything thru  my highend surge
protecter.  EVERYTHING was live.  i had never [not once in
ten years] had the Internet flow go south.  mine has been
green.  i saw that all LED's were lit and never thought to 
see if the lights were all-green or not!  live and learn.  

so, along with check routers/switches; maybe power cycle
i have use named debug, use traceroute.
 
 snip
 
  but i've been doing this for a while, and
  until i was away for five days, everything had been going
  fine for over a month.  oh:: one power-out.  the UPS saved
  the server, but everything else needed to be reinitialized.
 
 A lesson that I learned many years ago - if you can afford a big UPS for
 your servers, you can afford a little one for your telco/network
 equipment.

such as? brand, model?  would it work to just plug my surge
protecto into my larger UPS?   ---yes, that wouldn't save me
from as glitch in this telco router.  but since the APC UPC
has its own surge filter, i'm thinking, why not/?

gary


 
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Re: much to my surprise.... [ now trending #OT ]

2011-09-23 Thread Gary Kline
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:27:57PM +0100, Dave wrote:
 Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 12:27:57 +0100
 From: Dave d...@g8kbv.demon.co.uk
 Subject: Re: much to my surprise [ now trending #OT ]
 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
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 From: Matt Emmerton m...@gsicomp.on.ca
 
  snip
  
   but i've been doing this for a while, and
   until i was away for five days, everything had been going
   fine for over a month.  oh:: one power-out.  the UPS saved
   the server, but everything else needed to be reinitialized.
  
  A lesson that I learned many years ago - if you can afford a big UPS
  for your servers, you can afford a little one for your telco/network
  equipment.
  
 
 I'm using some PoE kit to power the router remotely down it's LAN cable, 
 that in turn run's from the protected supply from the UPS.  Said UPS also 
 powers the main network switch, as well as my own LAN server (f'BSD 
 based, to stay vaguely on toppic!) Plus two other PC's and a NAS device.
 
 It'll hold that lot up, for over 20 minutes when the lights go out (the 
 longest unscheduled outage so far.)  It's also configured to NOT come 
 back, if it runs down and cuts out.  I'll do that manually if needed.  
 (Not so far.)  I never did get the BSD port of APCUPSD to work correctly.
 
 All works well.  Also, easy to do a router Hard restart, without going 
 to the router itself.   And if it does all die, it fails safe.
 
 Regards.
 
 Dave B.



see, if i had help at =your= level of expertise, i'd be
fine.  4 days in the icu is still ,messing me up a bit, but 
i grok most of what you're saying to matt.  

Oh, and for those who suggested i hire somebody instead of
relying on volunteers:: while there is a seattle linux
group, gslug, i know 0.0 people who have a clue about BSD.  
i've asked around--the senior techs at the telco have no
clue when i [or someone who can speak] mentioned 'unix'.
i've tried to find some students at the u/washington.  zip.  
linux, a few people mumble, 'yes, ive heard of that.' but
unix, or berkeley unix , or sun unix.  {gawk: Orifice unix, 
rather} Zero.  


BTW, ive not had time nor savvy to get the APC UPS Port
installed.  besides, right now, there in only one 2009 dell
2-cpu on the battery.  it has saved state twice.  but i
=still= had to get down and crawl around with flashlight in
teeth and power off stuff.  -no, no 'poor gary'; that's just
the bare facts.

-g

 
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RE: much to my surprise.... [ now trending #OT ]

2011-09-22 Thread Matt Emmerton
  *Finally*, i  saw that my telco router was displaying INT in red
  LED's.  i didn't know they displayed in any other color but the
  default green, but after power-cycling, voila! back to green.  
  and now, yes, i can ping freebsd.org.  and i'm pretty sure other
  network things will work too.  

The Mark I eyeball is an amazing tool.

I recently had a HDSL link provided by my telco go down.  I happened to be 2
hours away from the facility at the time.  Tech support said the problem was
the router because they couldn't get to it, and they just wouldn't believe
me that it was up.  (I could ping it from the inside via the secondary
network connection.)  So after I drove to the facility, I noticed that the
HDSL modem (which is line-powered from some box on the street) had no
lights.  Ahah!  28 hours later (sigh) they found a blown circuit breaker
somewhere.

snip

 but i've been doing this for a while, and
 until i was away for five days, everything had been going
 fine for over a month.  oh:: one power-out.  the UPS saved
 the server, but everything else needed to be reinitialized.

A lesson that I learned many years ago - if you can afford a big UPS for
your servers, you can afford a little one for your telco/network
equipment.

--
Matt Emmerton

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