Re: Software Development using Freebsd.
On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:36:46 -0800 mer...@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote: DDa == Da Rock freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au writes: Would you do that with Python or something else? DDa Depending on what you really need to solve decides your DDa language. Others have offered advice here, but may I suggest DDa Perl? For most data and its proven ability to handle/match DDa string data it is very useful. And using tk it will run on DDa windows as well. At this point, there's absolutely nothing that Python can do that Perl can't, and very likely vice versa. However, from personal experience, I know that Larry Wall understands Object Oriented Programming, and Guido definitely doesn't get it. Obviously, other people have worked on both languages, but keep that in mind. I can present my evidence of how Guido doesn't get it in a longer post, if prompted. I'll second the motion for this evidence. -- Rod Person http://www.rodperson.com rodper...@rodperson.com 'Silence is a fence around wisdom' ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Software Development using Freebsd.
On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 09:06:49PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 07:36:46PM -0800, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: However, from personal experience, I know that Larry Wall understands Object Oriented Programming, and Guido definitely doesn't get it. Obviously, other people have worked on both languages, but keep that in mind. I can present my evidence of how Guido doesn't get it in a longer post, if prompted. I'm definitely curious. If you don't think this is the place for it, I'd love to see your explanation in private email or by other means. Me too. -- People will do tomorrow what they did today because that is what they did yesterday. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Software Development using Freebsd.
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Waitman Gobble gobble...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 6, 2012 6:13 PM, C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Jorge Biquez jbiq...@intranet.com.mx wrote: Now we will try to have a graphical mode in Freebsd. With that we would like to be able to develop graphical applications for Windows (we all know that's the market and here some companies is what they are looking), so maybe sound crazy but I am looking to develop applications for Windows without using WIndows or Microsofot products at least. Go for Qt. It is a great cross-platform C++ GUI framework, with plugins to SQL databases, networking and everything you would typically need. There's even PyQt, if you want Python bindings. Check out the examples in the Qt distribution too to get an idea: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/doc/qt-4.8/all-examples.html I agree Qt is a great solution however you are probably going to want to ship static binaries to windows clients (only), especially to non-techical end users... otherwise it gets kind of insane, much more challenging than distributing java based apps IMHO. But the IDE is fantastic plus you get a nice integration with webkit. if I remember (been awhile) the license terms are a little different for static, would have to re-read carefully. I don't know about licensing issues w.r.t. static binaries; but you're absolutely right: it's definitely worth looking into. Another cross-platform GUI is wxWidgets (C++, but has Python bindings too). It's not as rich a library as Qt IMHO, but quite nice too. You may want to combine wxWidgets with Poco though (all of this is in ports, btw). -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Hello all. I have been reading in detail all your comments and advice. Thank you very much for your time. I have clear vision now of what do I need to do. I comment today to my students the help we were getting and all of them send you a BIG THANK YOU VERY MUCH comment. I hope that wieth your help and comments I could help them more. Thanks again to all. Have a nice day/night. Jorge Biquez At 06:23 p.m. 07/02/2012, C. P. Ghost wrote: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Waitman Gobble gobble...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 6, 2012 6:13 PM, C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Jorge Biquez jbiq...@intranet.com.mx wrote: Now we will try to have a graphical mode in Freebsd. With that we would like to be able to develop graphical applications for Windows (we all know that's the market and here some companies is what they are looking), so maybe sound crazy but I am looking to develop applications for Windows without using WIndows or Microsofot products at least. Go for Qt. It is a great cross-platform C++ GUI framework, with plugins to SQL databases, networking and everything you would typically need. There's even PyQt, if you want Python bindings. Check out the examples in the Qt distribution too to get an idea: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/doc/qt-4.8/all-examples.html I agree Qt is a great solution however you are probably going to want to ship static binaries to windows clients (only), especially to non-techical end users... otherwise it gets kind of insane, much more challenging than distributing java based apps IMHO. But the IDE is fantastic plus you get a nice integration with webkit. if I remember (been awhile) the license terms are a little different for static, would have to re-read carefully. I don't know about licensing issues w.r.t. static binaries; but you're absolutely right: it's definitely worth looking into. Another cross-platform GUI is wxWidgets (C++, but has Python bindings too). It's not as rich a library as Qt IMHO, but quite nice too. You may want to combine wxWidgets with Poco though (all of this is in ports, btw). -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Software Development using Freebsd.
Hello all. This is kind of off topic. My apologies in advance. I am helping a non profit organization and giving some classes to prepare students so they can be prepared and try to get a job (they are students also and have the basics concepts already) Anyway, I am interested in teach them to develop some simple applications. From simple ones to destktop ones that access a database, desktop ones that use internet to connect to a remote database and web based ones with a database behind. We have 6 months and the idea is to work a lot remotely. Thin is that I do not want to use any kind of Microsoft products. Some of them do not have modern machines but until now, in previous classs, we could install Freebsd, text mode, and work from there. Now we will try to have a graphical mode in Freebsd. With that we would like to be able to develop graphical applications for Windows (we all know that's the market and here some companies is what they are looking), so maybe sound crazy but I am looking to develop applications for Windows without using WIndows or Microsofot products at least. I have been looking for this for months. First case using Windows but not Microsoft products. I found some options BUT they all were expensive on the deployment. The runtimes were not free and the amount of money to pay was not a good option. Others provide real free excutables for runtimes but the products were expensive. I am now trying to, If possible, have FreeBSD running graphically and then use open source software to develop graphical windows applications. Maybe I am wrong but until now I think my only option is to use Phyton. Is that correct? For what I have searched Python will let me create executables and will let me create Graphical solutions even for other platforms (Mac or LInux or whatever runs Python). Talking with friend, he believes that my best bet is to teach them C or C++ and use some of the options for developing graphically ( I am not a C or C++ expert but I can learn alone). I was wondering if you could give some advie and comments on this. Are you developing commercial applications (including Windows ones) using FreeBsd as your platform? Or Maybe any Linux Distribution? Would you do that with Python or something else? Any extra advice is more than welcomed. Thanks in advanced. Jorge Biquez ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Software Development using Freebsd.
Not an expert by any means, but what about Mono, the open source and cross platform version of the .NET framework? If you take a look at http://www.mono-project.com/Compatibility , you'll see that it's mostly compatible with .NET 4.0, and claims to be 100% compatible with .NET 3.5. Java is also cross platform and will run on FreeBSD; or, like you say, you could use Python with TkInter; there's doubtless many other cross-platform solutions that I'm not aware of. All best, David Hello all. This is kind of off topic. My apologies in advance. I am helping a non profit organization and giving some classes to prepare students so they can be prepared and try to get a job (they are students also and have the basics concepts already) Anyway, I am interested in teach them to develop some simple applications. From simple ones to destktop ones that access a database, desktop ones that use internet to connect to a remote database and web based ones with a database behind. We have 6 months and the idea is to work a lot remotely. Thin is that I do not want to use any kind of Microsoft products. Some of them do not have modern machines but until now, in previous classs, we could install Freebsd, text mode, and work from there. Now we will try to have a graphical mode in Freebsd. With that we would like to be able to develop graphical applications for Windows (we all know that's the market and here some companies is what they are looking), so maybe sound crazy but I am looking to develop applications for Windows without using WIndows or Microsofot products at least. I have been looking for this for months. First case using Windows but not Microsoft products. I found some options BUT they all were expensive on the deployment. The runtimes were not free and the amount of money to pay was not a good option. Others provide real free excutables for runtimes but the products were expensive. I am now trying to, If possible, have FreeBSD running graphically and then use open source software to develop graphical windows applications. Maybe I am wrong but until now I think my only option is to use Phyton. Is that correct? For what I have searched Python will let me create executables and will let me create Graphical solutions even for other platforms (Mac or LInux or whatever runs Python). Talking with friend, he believes that my best bet is to teach them C or C++ and use some of the options for developing graphically ( I am not a C or C++ expert but I can learn alone). I was wondering if you could give some advie and comments on this. Are you developing commercial applications (including Windows ones) using FreeBsd as your platform? Or Maybe any Linux Distribution? Would you do that with Python or something else? Any extra advice is more than welcomed. Thanks in advanced. Jorge Biquez ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Software Development using Freebsd.
Maybe I am wrong but until now I think my only option is to use Phyton. Is that correct? For what I have searched Python will let me create executables and will let me create Graphical solutions even for other platforms (Mac or LInux or whatever runs Python). I think that python is a great learning language. I would certainly be teaching it to people as the first language to help build concepts. However, FreeBSD, contains mono. Mono is avaliable on Linux and OSX, but it is on windows natively as .NET. You can easily create some great C# applications that would be cross platform using this tool. Finally, the best cross platform tool is a web service. So perhaps you should explore the Django or Ruby on Rails path? Sincerely, William Brown Research Teaching, Technology Services The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005 CRICOS Provider Number 00123M - IMPORTANT: This message may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you think it was sent to you by mistake, please delete all copies and advise the sender. For the purposes of the SPAM Act 2003, this email is authorised by The University of Adelaide. pgp.mit.edu http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindexsearch=0x3C0AC6DAB2F928A2 signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: Software Development using Freebsd.
On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 04:37:37PM -0600, Jorge Biquez wrote: I am helping a non profit organization and giving some classes to prepare students so they can be prepared and try to get a job (they are students also and have the basics concepts already) That's admirable. I hope that works out. Anyway, I am interested in teach them to develop some simple applications. From simple ones to destktop ones that access a database, desktop ones that use internet to connect to a remote database and web based ones with a database behind. We have 6 months and the idea is to work a lot remotely. Thin is that I do not want to use any kind of Microsoft products. Some of them do not have modern machines but until now, in previous classs, we could install Freebsd, text mode, and work from there. Now we will try to have a graphical mode in Freebsd. With that we would like to be able to develop graphical applications for Windows (we all know that's the market and here some companies is what they are looking), so maybe sound crazy but I am looking to develop applications for Windows without using WIndows or Microsofot products at least. What kind of experience do you want these students to have when they leave? Do you just want them practiced in doing some general programming with cross-platform tools, including database access and simple GUI work? Do you want them to specifically work with commodity tools that will fit in with mainstream job posting requirements on a resume? Do you want them to work with tools that will enable them to most easily expand their experience on their own once they get done with the course of instruction so they can more rapidly approach general competence and create useful projects of their own very quickly, figuring they can then move on to other tools and technologies as they decide which direction they want to take their professional pursuits? Do you just want it to be as easy as possible? Your top priority should probably help you make this decision. I have been looking for this for months. First case using Windows but not Microsoft products. I found some options BUT they all were expensive on the deployment. The runtimes were not free and the amount of money to pay was not a good option. Others provide real free excutables for runtimes but the products were expensive. I am now trying to, If possible, have FreeBSD running graphically and then use open source software to develop graphical windows applications. Maybe I am wrong but until now I think my only option is to use Phyton. Is that correct? For what I have searched Python will let me create executables and will let me create Graphical solutions even for other platforms (Mac or LInux or whatever runs Python). Talking with friend, he believes that my best bet is to teach them C or C++ and use some of the options for developing graphically ( I am not a C or C++ expert but I can learn alone). Depending on your goals, anything from Ruby to C could be an excellent choice. LLVM/Clang is a great compiler suite for C; the mainstream Ruby implementation will get you far; both can use platform-independent graphical toolkits and database access libraries. PostgreSQL is a great DBMS distributed under a copyfree license, and it is well supported for both these languages. They're sorta on opposite ends of a spectrum, though, so some kind of narrowing down of goals should be done before arriving at any conclusions. I was wondering if you could give some advie and comments on this. Are you developing commercial applications (including Windows ones) using FreeBsd as your platform? Or Maybe any Linux Distribution? I've written C, C++, Ruby, Perl, and PHP on FreeBSD, for deployment in a wide range of platform circumstances. Some of my development has been commercial, some of it just for fun, some to solve my own personal problems. . . . There's nothing wrong with FreeBSD as a development platform for most purposes, especially if you want to work on portable software development. In fact, I think that for purposes of writing portable code, it's difficult to do worse than FreeBSD, because it's probably easier to move code from FreeBSD to Linux distributions, Apple MacOS, and MS Windows due to social factors involved than the other way around. Would you do that with Python or something else? I personally am not the world's biggest Python fan, but my choice would depend on the specific goals involved. If you're leaning toward the Python end of the spectrum, though, I (personally; your mileage may differ) would probably choose Ruby instead. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Software Development using Freebsd.
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Jorge Biquez jbiq...@intranet.com.mxwrote: Would you do that with Python or something else? http://qt.nokia.com/ -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Software Development using Freebsd.
On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:37:37 -0600 Jorge Biquez jbiq...@intranet.com.mx wrote: Now we will try to have a graphical mode in Freebsd. With that we would like to be able to develop graphical applications for Windows (we all know that's the market and here some companies is what they are looking), so maybe sound crazy but I am looking to develop applications for Windows without using WIndows or Microsofot products at least. You could try mono and monodevelop http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/devel/monodevelop/pkg-descr Mono is the open source version of .NET/C#. This would teach the basics of .NET and C#. Maybe I am wrong but until now I think my only option is to use Phyton. Is that correct? For what I have searched Python will let me create executables and will let me create Graphical solutions even for other platforms (Mac or LInux or whatever runs Python). You can use Python and py2exe to create the executable that would run on Windows, but you have to run py2exe on a Windows machine. If you know Pascal you can look at the FreePascal and Lazarus. I haven't used it in years, but I was able to create several applications that ran on both FreeBSD and Windows. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/editors/lazarus/pkg-descr -- Rod Person http://www.rodperson.com rodper...@rodperson.com Let us in the name of the Holy Trinity, go on sending all the slaves that can be sold. - Letter from Christopher Columbus. J.A. Rawley, The Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade: A History. Pg.3 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Software Development using Freebsd.
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Rod Person rodper...@rodperson.com wrote: On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:37:37 -0600 Jorge Biquez jbiq...@intranet.com.mx wrote: Now we will try to have a graphical mode in Freebsd. With that we would like to be able to develop graphical applications for Windows (we all know that's the market and here some companies is what they are looking), so maybe sound crazy but I am looking to develop applications for Windows without using WIndows or Microsofot products at least. You could try mono and monodevelop http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/devel/monodevelop/pkg-descr Mono is the open source version of .NET/C#. This would teach the basics of .NET and C#. Maybe I am wrong but until now I think my only option is to use Phyton. Is that correct? For what I have searched Python will let me create executables and will let me create Graphical solutions even for other platforms (Mac or LInux or whatever runs Python). You can use Python and py2exe to create the executable that would run on Windows, but you have to run py2exe on a Windows machine. If you know Pascal you can look at the FreePascal and Lazarus. I haven't used it in years, but I was able to create several applications that ran on both FreeBSD and Windows. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/editors/lazarus/pkg-descr -- Rod Person http://www.rodperson.com rodper...@rodperson.com Let us in the name of the Holy Trinity, go on sending all the slaves that can be sold. - Letter from Christopher Columbus. J.A. Rawley, The Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade: A History. Pg.3 Lazarus is an IDE ( Integrated Development Environment ) and its compiler is Free Pascal : http://www.freepascal.org/ http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/ When a program is developed in Lazarus , it can directly be compiled in Windows . There are a multitude of units for any kind of programming ( Web , Data base , etc. ) . Lazarus and FreePascal is available for FreeBSD , Linux , Windows , and many other operating systems . A study of the above sites will reveal their capabilities . http://wiki.freepascal.org/Cross_compiling_for_Win32_under_Linux http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Cross_compiling I did not use , but cross compiling should be possible by using Wine in FreeBSD to obtain Windows programs ( Windows versions of Lazarus and Free Pascal may be used in FreeBSD to generate Windows programs and they may be executed under Wine in FreeBSD for testing before transferred to Windows : This means a minimum number of Windows computer(s) may be used for final testing . ) . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Software Development using Freebsd.
On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 04:37:37PM -0600, Jorge Biquez wrote: Hello all. This is kind of off topic. My apologies in advance. I am helping a non profit organization and giving some classes to prepare students so they can be prepared and try to get a job (they are students also and have the basics concepts already) Anyway, I am interested in teach them to develop some simple applications. From simple ones to destktop ones that access a database, desktop ones that use internet to connect to a remote database and web based ones with a database behind. We have 6 months and the idea is to work a lot remotely. Thin is that I do not want to use any kind of Microsoft products. Some of them do not have modern machines but until now, in previous classs, we could install Freebsd, text mode, and work from there. Now we will try to have a graphical mode in Freebsd. With that we would like to be able to develop graphical applications for Windows (we all know that's the market and here some companies is what they are looking), so maybe sound crazy but I am looking to develop applications for Windows without using WIndows or Microsofot products at least. I have been looking for this for months. First case using Windows but not Microsoft products. I found some options BUT they all were expensive on the deployment. The runtimes were not free and the amount of money to pay was not a good option. Others provide real free excutables for runtimes but the products were expensive. I am now trying to, If possible, have FreeBSD running graphically and then use open source software to develop graphical windows applications. Maybe I am wrong but until now I think my only option is to use Phyton. Is that correct? For what I have searched Python will let me create executables and will let me create Graphical solutions even for other platforms (Mac or LInux or whatever runs Python). Talking with friend, he believes that my best bet is to teach them C or C++ and use some of the options for developing graphically ( I am not a C or C++ expert but I can learn alone). I was wondering if you could give some advie and comments on this. Are you developing commercial applications (including Windows ones) using FreeBsd as your platform? Or Maybe any Linux Distribution? Would you do that with Python or something else? Any extra advice is more than welcomed. Thanks in advanced. Any reason you don't want to use Java? OO, plenty of IDEs to choose from, ranging from vim to Eclipse which run on both Windows and Unix. If I wanted to develop for Windows (I don't), that's what I'd use so I could develop my code using FreeBSD. The best part is that Java skills are in demand. (I don't know if that's the case in Mexico though). Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html pgpgtIfdq5w75.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Software Development using Freebsd.
From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk m.e.sanlit...@gmail.com To: Rod Person rodper...@rodperson.com Cc: Jorge Biquez jbiq...@intranet.com.mx; FreeBSD Questions questi...@freebsd.org Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 9:22 PM Subject: Re: Software Development using Freebsd. On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Rod Person rodper...@rodperson.com wrote: On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:37:37 -0600 Jorge Biquez jbiq...@intranet.com.mx wrote: Now we will try to have a graphical mode in Freebsd. With that we would like to be able to develop graphical applications for Windows (we all know that's the market and here some companies is what they are looking), so maybe sound crazy but I am looking to develop applications for Windows without using WIndows or Microsofot products at least. You could try mono and monodevelop http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/devel/monodevelop/pkg-descr Mono is the open source version of .NET/C#. This would teach the basics of .NET and C#. Maybe I am wrong but until now I think my only option is to use Phyton. Is that correct? For what I have searched Python will let me create executables and will let me create Graphical solutions even for other platforms (Mac or LInux or whatever runs Python). You can use Python and py2exe to create the executable that would run on Windows, but you have to run py2exe on a Windows machine. If you know Pascal you can look at the FreePascal and Lazarus. I haven't used it in years, but I was able to create several applications that ran on both FreeBSD and Windows. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/editors/lazarus/pkg-descr -- Rod Person http://www.rodperson.com rodper...@rodperson.com Let us in the name of the Holy Trinity, go on sending all the slaves that can be sold. - Letter from Christopher Columbus. J.A. Rawley, The Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade: A History. Pg.3 Lazarus is an IDE ( Integrated Development Environment ) and its compiler is Free Pascal : http://www.freepascal.org/ http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/ When a program is developed in Lazarus , it can directly be compiled in Windows . There are a multitude of units for any kind of programming ( Web , Data base , etc. ) . Lazarus and FreePascal is available for FreeBSD , Linux , Windows , and many other operating systems . A study of the above sites will reveal their capabilities . http://wiki.freepascal.org/Cross_compiling_for_Win32_under_Linux http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Cross_compiling I did not use , but cross compiling should be possible by using Wine in FreeBSD to obtain Windows programs ( Windows versions of Lazarus and Free Pascal may be used in FreeBSD to generate Windows programs and they may be executed under Wine in FreeBSD for testing before transferred to Windows : This means a minimum number of Windows computer(s) may be used for final testing . ) . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk I do use Lazarus and FreePascal to develop professional applications, mainly I work on Linux and cross-compile to Win32/Win64. For FreeBsd I installed FreePascal on a Virtual Machine and compiled from it, I never tried cross-compiling from FreeBSD to other OSes, but I'm pretty sure it can be done. An example of what I do is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc1RT-s-dw0 Leonardo M. Ramé http://leonardorame.blogspot.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Software Development using Freebsd.
On 02/07/12 08:37, Jorge Biquez wrote: Hello all. This is kind of off topic. My apologies in advance. I am helping a non profit organization and giving some classes to prepare students so they can be prepared and try to get a job (they are students also and have the basics concepts already) Anyway, I am interested in teach them to develop some simple applications. From simple ones to destktop ones that access a database, desktop ones that use internet to connect to a remote database and web based ones with a database behind. We have 6 months and the idea is to work a lot remotely. Thin is that I do not want to use any kind of Microsoft products. Some of them do not have modern machines but until now, in previous classs, we could install Freebsd, text mode, and work from there. Now we will try to have a graphical mode in Freebsd. With that we would like to be able to develop graphical applications for Windows (we all know that's the market and here some companies is what they are looking), so maybe sound crazy but I am looking to develop applications for Windows without using WIndows or Microsofot products at least. I have been looking for this for months. First case using Windows but not Microsoft products. I found some options BUT they all were expensive on the deployment. The runtimes were not free and the amount of money to pay was not a good option. Others provide real free excutables for runtimes but the products were expensive. I am now trying to, If possible, have FreeBSD running graphically and then use open source software to develop graphical windows applications. Maybe I am wrong but until now I think my only option is to use Phyton. Is that correct? For what I have searched Python will let me create executables and will let me create Graphical solutions even for other platforms (Mac or LInux or whatever runs Python). Talking with friend, he believes that my best bet is to teach them C or C++ and use some of the options for developing graphically ( I am not a C or C++ expert but I can learn alone). I was wondering if you could give some advie and comments on this. Are you developing commercial applications (including Windows ones) using FreeBsd as your platform? Or Maybe any Linux Distribution? Would you do that with Python or something else? Depending on what you really need to solve decides your language. Others have offered advice here, but may I suggest Perl? For most data and its proven ability to handle/match string data it is very useful. And using tk it will run on windows as well. My 2c... :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Software Development using Freebsd.
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Jorge Biquez jbiq...@intranet.com.mx wrote: Now we will try to have a graphical mode in Freebsd. With that we would like to be able to develop graphical applications for Windows (we all know that's the market and here some companies is what they are looking), so maybe sound crazy but I am looking to develop applications for Windows without using WIndows or Microsofot products at least. Go for Qt. It is a great cross-platform C++ GUI framework, with plugins to SQL databases, networking and everything you would typically need. There's even PyQt, if you want Python bindings. Check out the examples in the Qt distribution too to get an idea: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/doc/qt-4.8/all-examples.html -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Software Development using Freebsd.
DDa == Da Rock freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au writes: Would you do that with Python or something else? DDa Depending on what you really need to solve decides your DDa language. Others have offered advice here, but may I suggest Perl? DDa For most data and its proven ability to handle/match string data it DDa is very useful. And using tk it will run on windows as well. At this point, there's absolutely nothing that Python can do that Perl can't, and very likely vice versa. However, from personal experience, I know that Larry Wall understands Object Oriented Programming, and Guido definitely doesn't get it. Obviously, other people have worked on both languages, but keep that in mind. I can present my evidence of how Guido doesn't get it in a longer post, if prompted. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 mer...@stonehenge.com URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Software Development using Freebsd.
On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 07:36:46PM -0800, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: DDa == Da Rock writes: Would you do that with Python or something else? DDa Depending on what you really need to solve decides your DDa language. Others have offered advice here, but may I suggest Perl? DDa For most data and its proven ability to handle/match string data it DDa is very useful. And using tk it will run on windows as well. At this point, there's absolutely nothing that Python can do that Perl can't, and very likely vice versa. However, from personal experience, I know that Larry Wall understands Object Oriented Programming, and Guido definitely doesn't get it. Obviously, other people have worked on both languages, but keep that in mind. I can present my evidence of how Guido doesn't get it in a longer post, if prompted. I'm definitely curious. If you don't think this is the place for it, I'd love to see your explanation in private email or by other means. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Software Development using Freebsd.
On 02/07/12 14:06, Chad Perrin wrote: On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 07:36:46PM -0800, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: DDa == Da Rock writes: Would you do that with Python or something else? DDa Depending on what you really need to solve decides your DDa language. Others have offered advice here, but may I suggest Perl? DDa For most data and its proven ability to handle/match string data it DDa is very useful. And using tk it will run on windows as well. At this point, there's absolutely nothing that Python can do that Perl can't, and very likely vice versa. However, from personal experience, I know that Larry Wall understands Object Oriented Programming, and Guido definitely doesn't get it. Obviously, other people have worked on both languages, but keep that in mind. I can present my evidence of how Guido doesn't get it in a longer post, if prompted. I'm definitely curious. If you don't think this is the place for it, I'd love to see your explanation in private email or by other means. +1 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
