Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.
2012-06-04 16:10, Leslie Jensen skrev: 2012-06-04 15:54, Warren Block skrev: % printf \033];Funny Title\007 Works! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Can the reason for me not getting the title to change be that I very often use screen when updating ports? I've tried different combinations and I'm only able to get the title when I work locally. Screen and ssh does not change the title. My initial wish for some information about the build progress is still very much on the table. Thanks /Leslie ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.
On 06/06/2012 09:11, Leslie Jensen wrote:
My initial wish for some information about the build progress is still
very much on the table.
Try the attached patch. It essentially adds the progress info that is
being put in the TERM title to the in-line printout of the dependency
trail that was already there.
Let me know what you think,
Doug
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Index: portmaster
===
--- portmaster (revision 236697)
+++ portmaster (working copy)
@@ -2208,6 +2208,8 @@
}
term_printf () {
+ echo -e \n\t${PM_PARENT_PORT}${1}
+
[ -n $PM_NO_TERM_TITLE ] return
case $TERM in cons*) return ;; esac
@@ -2283,7 +2285,7 @@
deps= (${dep_of_deps}/${num_of_deps})
if [ -n $PM_DEPTH ]; then
- echo ${PM_DEPTH} ${1#$pd/}
+ #echo ${PM_DEPTH} ${1#$pd/}
term_printf ${PM_DEPTH#* } ${1#$pd/}${deps}
else
[ -n $UPDATE_ALL ] term_printf ${1#$pd/}${deps}
@@ -2623,7 +2625,7 @@
[ -z $dep_of_deps ] dep_of_deps=0
export PM_PARENT_PORT num_of_deps dep_of_deps
- term_printf
+ #term_printf
}
if [ -n $PM_URB ]; then
@@ -2783,6 +2785,7 @@
numports=$(( $numports + 1 ))
init_term_printf $port ${numports}/${numports}
+ term_printf
($0 $ARGS $port) || update_failed=update_failed
. $IPC_SAVE
[ -n $update_failed ] fail Update for $port failed
@@ -2825,6 +2828,7 @@
num=$(( $num + 1 ))
init_term_printf $port ${num}/${numports}
+ term_printf
($0 $ARGS $port) || update_failed=update_failed
. $IPC_SAVE
[ -n $update_failed ] fail Update for $port failed
@@ -2978,6 +2982,7 @@
[ -n $DI_FILES ] (read_distinfos)
init_term_printf All
+ term_printf
ports_by_category
echo === Starting check of installed ports for available updates
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Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.
On 06/06/2012 15:06, Doug Barton wrote:
On 06/06/2012 09:11, Leslie Jensen wrote:
My initial wish for some information about the build progress is still
very much on the table.
Try the attached patch.
Actually try this one instead. :)
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Index: portmaster
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--- portmaster (revision 236697)
+++ portmaster (working copy)
@@ -2208,6 +2208,8 @@
}
term_printf () {
+ case $1 in *\\*) echo -e \n\t${PM_PARENT_PORT}${1} ;; esac
+
[ -n $PM_NO_TERM_TITLE ] return
case $TERM in cons*) return ;; esac
@@ -2283,7 +2285,6 @@
deps= (${dep_of_deps}/${num_of_deps})
if [ -n $PM_DEPTH ]; then
- echo ${PM_DEPTH} ${1#$pd/}
term_printf ${PM_DEPTH#* } ${1#$pd/}${deps}
else
[ -n $UPDATE_ALL ] term_printf ${1#$pd/}${deps}
@@ -2527,19 +2528,16 @@
safe_exit
elif [ -n $PM_FIRST_PASS -a -z $PM_PACKAGES ]; then
echo === Initial dependency check complete for $portdir
- case $PM_DEPTH in *\\*) echo $PM_DEPTH ;; esac
else
echo === Dependency check complete for $portdir
- case $PM_DEPTH in
- *\\*) echo $PM_DEPTH ;;
- *) if [ $PM_PARENT_PORT = All ]; then
- local deps
- deps= (${dep_of_deps}/${num_of_deps})
- term_printf ${upg_port:-$portdir}${deps}
- else
- term_printf
- fi ;;
- esac
+
+ if [ $PM_PARENT_PORT = All ]; then
+ local deps
+ deps= (${dep_of_deps}/${num_of_deps})
+ term_printf ${upg_port:-$portdir}${deps}
+ else
+ term_printf
+ fi
fi
} # dependency_check()
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Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.
2012-06-03 18:18, Warren Block skrev: On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Warren Block wrote: On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Leslie Jensen wrote: 2012-06-02 19:18, Doug Barton skrev: On 6/2/2012 8:09 AM, Leslie Jensen wrote: I'm thinking about some kind of information on the build progress Portmaster already has that if you're building in a terminal window, look in the titlebar. I can take a look at printing that in line if you're not in a terminal window though. I'm running in XFCE4 terminal and the titlebar is empty here! So do I need to activate this function? It's on by default. --no-term-title disables it, as does setting PM_NO_TERM_TITLE in portmaster.rc. Oh, and xfce's Terminal has a preferences setting that can prevent dynamically-set titles from being displayed. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I found that setting and changed it. I forgot to tell you that I'm working through an SSH connection and maybe it's because of that I cannot see any title? I'll test as soon as I've got the system up with X again. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.
On 06/04/2012 00:35, Leslie Jensen wrote: I found that setting and changed it. That should do it then. Thanks to Warren for suggesting it. I forgot to tell you that I'm working through an SSH connection and maybe it's because of that I cannot see any title? Nope. Should work just fine for you, I've done thousands of portmaster upgrades over ssh. Let me know how it goes, Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.
2012-06-04 09:41, Doug Barton skrev: On 06/04/2012 00:35, Leslie Jensen wrote: I found that setting and changed it. That should do it then. Thanks to Warren for suggesting it. I forgot to tell you that I'm working through an SSH connection and maybe it's because of that I cannot see any title? Nope. Should work just fine for you, I've done thousands of portmaster upgrades over ssh. Let me know how it goes, Doug I've set that dynamic title should go before initial title. I've also tried the setting that it should replace initial title. None of the settings changes anything. I've no title at all apart from Terminal /Leslie ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.
2012-06-04 10:14, Leslie Jensen skrev: 2012-06-04 09:41, Doug Barton skrev: On 06/04/2012 00:35, Leslie Jensen wrote: I found that setting and changed it. That should do it then. Thanks to Warren for suggesting it. I forgot to tell you that I'm working through an SSH connection and maybe it's because of that I cannot see any title? Nope. Should work just fine for you, I've done thousands of portmaster upgrades over ssh. Let me know how it goes, Doug I've set that dynamic title should go before initial title. I've also tried the setting that it should replace initial title. None of the settings changes anything. I've no title at all apart from Terminal /Leslie ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org After a restart of xfce I've got the Title to change, but I can only see the initial command ie portmaster All. /Leslie ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.
On Mon, 4 Jun 2012, Leslie Jensen wrote: 2012-06-04 09:41, Doug Barton skrev: On 06/04/2012 00:35, Leslie Jensen wrote: I found that setting and changed it. That should do it then. Thanks to Warren for suggesting it. I forgot to tell you that I'm working through an SSH connection and maybe it's because of that I cannot see any title? Nope. Should work just fine for you, I've done thousands of portmaster upgrades over ssh. I've set that dynamic title should go before initial title. I've also tried the setting that it should replace initial title. None of the settings changes anything. I've no title at all apart from Terminal Could be something in your prompt resetting it. Does % printf \033];Funny Title\007 change the title? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.
2012-06-04 15:54, Warren Block skrev: % printf \033];Funny Title\007 Works! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.
On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Leslie Jensen wrote: 2012-06-02 19:18, Doug Barton skrev: On 6/2/2012 8:09 AM, Leslie Jensen wrote: I'm thinking about some kind of information on the build progress Portmaster already has that if you're building in a terminal window, look in the titlebar. I can take a look at printing that in line if you're not in a terminal window though. I'm running in XFCE4 terminal and the titlebar is empty here! So do I need to activate this function? It's on by default. --no-term-title disables it, as does setting PM_NO_TERM_TITLE in portmaster.rc. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.
On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Warren Block wrote: On Sun, 3 Jun 2012, Leslie Jensen wrote: 2012-06-02 19:18, Doug Barton skrev: On 6/2/2012 8:09 AM, Leslie Jensen wrote: I'm thinking about some kind of information on the build progress Portmaster already has that if you're building in a terminal window, look in the titlebar. I can take a look at printing that in line if you're not in a terminal window though. I'm running in XFCE4 terminal and the titlebar is empty here! So do I need to activate this function? It's on by default. --no-term-title disables it, as does setting PM_NO_TERM_TITLE in portmaster.rc. Oh, and xfce's Terminal has a preferences setting that can prevent dynamically-set titles from being displayed. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.
I'm thinking about some kind of information on the build progress when one does larger updates like the newly recommendation in /usr/ports/UPDATING portmaster -r png- I myself have three machines with different capacity when it comes to building ports. How about a knobb one could choose that would give information after finishing building one port and before beginning on the next one, that would be something like: finishing foo port xx ports remaining or something in that order. At least it would informative for me to get an idea of how far in the process the machine is. Thanks /Leslie ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.
On 6/2/2012 8:09 AM, Leslie Jensen wrote: I'm thinking about some kind of information on the build progress Portmaster already has that if you're building in a terminal window, look in the titlebar. I can take a look at printing that in line if you're not in a terminal window though. hope this helps, Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.
2012-06-02 19:18, Doug Barton skrev: On 6/2/2012 8:09 AM, Leslie Jensen wrote: I'm thinking about some kind of information on the build progress Portmaster already has that if you're building in a terminal window, look in the titlebar. I can take a look at printing that in line if you're not in a terminal window though. hope this helps, Doug I'm running in XFCE4 terminal and the titlebar is empty here! So do I need to activate this function? Thanks /Leslie ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On 3/11/2012 7:33 PM, Da Rock wrote: On 03/11/12 21:03, ajtiM wrote: On Saturday 10 March 2012 17:36:53 Da Rock wrote: No system is actually truly capable of this, with the exception of the newest kid on the block Plan9. Winblows, in its current form, is the bastard love child of DOS and some black sheep cousin of Unix (twice-removed), so its not happening there either; just some sleight of hand tricks to partially achieve the result with a decrease of security to boot. Windows is a poorly made joke. We all know this deep down. Does no one read Computer History? Microsoft was marketing Xenix before IBM said We need an OS that blows for a Computer that has similar power to a calculator ten years from now and Microsoft said We can do that! Well, we can BUY that Seattle Computer Products has this OS called QDOS that is a rip off of CP/M and stands for Quick Dirty Operating System if we buy that for a rip off price and rename it Disk Operating System, even though it can't handle Disks anyway, we can use this! IMO it is the Microsoft and CO. tactics how to eliminate concurency - Unix, Mac... They never tried to be better... Hah! They didn't need to. The guys who designed Unix finally wound up their work once ported, and then said we can do a lot better now and Plan9 was born. The change was too dramatic for commerce to change for supposedly little reward, and so Plan9 was left on the backburner while a lot of its features were integrated into other *nix platforms (rc, file based devices, etc). Plan 9 is a record label started by Glenn Danzig. And a movie. As for the OS, I don't care. They got it right with Unix years earlier, why stop now? ATT didn't care about Unix until they were allowed to make money off it, but the problem there, is that Berkeley got a copy of it, and some Brilliant Hackers started working on it. The CSRG at Berkeley did things that made more possible. Then they came up with BSD, and, well, we're still using it Today. Many people would consider 6 months to a year a long time in Computer terms, and 5 years with the same OS, is considered damn good. So what does this say about BSD? We're still using an OS that was born in 1969, changed in the 70s by the Brilliance of Berkeley, and now still going strong after so long. That's not only saying something, that's a Historical thing. So in a way they did try to be better, but not exactly with the original designers blessing. And Plan9 is still an immature child... shame. Oh well. We don't really have to deal with DOS anymore, and FreeDOS has done things even Microsoft couldn't buy their way through. Then we have Windows, Linux, Unix, and of course, the other toys from other people. I'd like BeOS to come back, but I'm quite happy with BSD and Linux. Of course, if I won the Lotto or something, I'd re-design my House, and turn this room into a true Computer Lab. My Wife and I both are into Computers, and we both Love Unix. We'd buy sun Machines, Sparcs and, for me, a full set of SGI Workstations and Servers. And I'd like them to be running IRIX, except the new ones, I don't know what I'd use on those. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:14:39 -0400 Allen unix.hac...@comcast.net wrote: Plan 9 is a record label started by Glenn Danzig. I never thought I'd see this on FreeBSD list! I guess I have now lived long enough as they say. Of course, if I won the Lotto or something, I'd re-design my House, and turn this room into a true Computer Lab. My Wife and I both are into Computers, and we both Love Unix. We'd buy sun Machines, Sparcs and, for me, a full set of SGI Workstations and Servers. And I'd like them to be running IRIX, except the new ones, I don't know what I'd You are either stealing my thoughts or are my long lost twin. Either way, no matter what you post from now on you are a genius in my book! -- Rod Person http://www.rodperson.com rodper...@rodperson.com 'Silence is a fence around wisdom' ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:14:39PM -0400, Allen wrote: I'd like BeOS to come back, but I'm quite happy with BSD and Linux. Give the Haiku project a look. It's meant to be some kind of inheritor of the BeOS legacy. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:20:03AM -0500, Chris wrote: ... One word that is rampant... Alligations Is that where someone makes a claim that someone else is an alligator? -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:14:39PM -0400, Allen wrote: I'd like BeOS to come back, but I'm quite happy with BSD and Linux. Give the Haiku project a look. It's meant to be some kind of inheritor of the BeOS legacy. May I suggest MenuetOS if you are really looking for something cool -- Alejandro Imass ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On 12/03/2012 18:40, Chad Perrin wrote: On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:20:03AM -0500, Chris wrote: ... One word that is rampant... Alligations Is that where someone makes a claim that someone else is an alligator? sometimes i wish the lists had a like button :P -- - Paul Macdonald IFDNRG Ltd Web and video hosting - t: 0131 5548070 m: 07970339546PLEASE NOTE NEW MOBILE e: p...@ifdnrg.com w: http://www.ifdnrg.com - IFDNRG 40 Maritime Street Edinburgh EH6 6SA - ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On 3/12/2012 2:00 PM, Paul Macdonald wrote: On 12/03/2012 18:40, Chad Perrin wrote: On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:20:03AM -0500, Chris wrote: ... One word that is rampant... Alligations Is that where someone makes a claim that someone else is an alligator? sometimes i wish the lists had a like button :P HA! I just love my HTC auto correct. But to the point ... Sure, I *like* it. -- Keep well, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On 03/13/12 02:14, Allen wrote: On 3/11/2012 7:33 PM, Da Rock wrote: On 03/11/12 21:03, ajtiM wrote: On Saturday 10 March 2012 17:36:53 Da Rock wrote: No system is actually truly capable of this, with the exception of the newest kid on the block Plan9. Winblows, in its current form, is the bastard love child of DOS and some black sheep cousin of Unix (twice-removed), so its not happening there either; just some sleight of hand tricks to partially achieve the result with a decrease of security to boot. Windows is a poorly made joke. We all know this deep down. Does no one read Computer History? Microsoft was marketing Xenix before IBM said We need an OS that blows for a Computer that has similar power to a calculator ten years from now and Microsoft said We can do that! Well, we can BUY that Seattle Computer Products has this OS called QDOS that is a rip off of CP/M and stands for Quick Dirty Operating System if we buy that for a rip off price and rename it Disk Operating System, even though it can't handle Disks anyway, we can use this! IMO it is the Microsoft and CO. tactics how to eliminate concurency - Unix, Mac... They never tried to be better... Hah! They didn't need to. The guys who designed Unix finally wound up their work once ported, and then said we can do a lot better now and Plan9 was born. The change was too dramatic for commerce to change for supposedly little reward, and so Plan9 was left on the backburner while a lot of its features were integrated into other *nix platforms (rc, file based devices, etc). Plan 9 is a record label started by Glenn Danzig. And a movie. As for the OS, I don't care. They got it right with Unix years earlier, why stop now? You realise, of course, that a lot of things you take for granted on BSD Unix was ported from Plan9? Yes, they got it right the first time. _And_ the second. People were impressed, but it would have taken too much effort to change ingrained ways and habits. ATT didn't care about Unix until they were allowed to make money off it, but the problem there, is that Berkeley got a copy of it, and some Brilliant Hackers started working on it. The CSRG at Berkeley did things that made more possible. Then they came up with BSD, and, well, we're still using it Today. Many people would consider 6 months to a year a long time in Computer terms, and 5 years with the same OS, is considered damn good. So what does this say about BSD? We're still using an OS that was born in 1969, changed in the 70s by the Brilliance of Berkeley, and now still going strong after so long. That's not only saying something, that's a Historical thing. It is astounding. For around 20 years it hung around before they came up with something new, 40 years on and its still going strong - cars don't even last that long; or some buildings for that matter! So in a way they did try to be better, but not exactly with the original designers blessing. And Plan9 is still an immature child... shame. Oh well. We don't really have to deal with DOS anymore, and FreeDOS has done things even Microsoft couldn't buy their way through. Then we have Windows, Linux, Unix, and of course, the other toys from other people. I'd like BeOS to come back, but I'm quite happy with BSD and Linux. Of course, if I won the Lotto or something, I'd re-design my House, and turn this room into a true Computer Lab. My Wife and I both are into Computers, and we both Love Unix. We'd buy sun Machines, Sparcs and, for me, a full set of SGI Workstations and Servers. And I'd like them to be running IRIX, except the new ones, I don't know what I'd use on those. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On Saturday 10 March 2012 17:36:53 Da Rock wrote: No system is actually truly capable of this, with the exception of the newest kid on the block Plan9. Winblows, in its current form, is the bastard love child of DOS and some black sheep cousin of Unix (twice-removed), so its not happening there either; just some sleight of hand tricks to partially achieve the result with a decrease of security to boot. IMO it is the Microsoft and CO. tactics how to eliminate concurency - Unix, Mac... They never tried to be better... Mitja http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:23:54 +0700 Erich Dollansky articulated: FAT rules! Uh . . . what? It is on every phone, every camera, every toaster ... And for a very good reason; it is virtually universally usable by any operating system. However, the exFAT system is becoming more prevalent due to its more versatile design. To use a camera as an example, any manufacturer that would use a file system that was not compatible with MS Windows would be driving the company into bankruptcy. There are dozens of Windows based applications that can handle images stored on various types of cameras At best, there are only a few designed for the non-Windows world, and they work like crap, if you can get one to work at all. They are all feature poor, again assuming you can get one to actually work without having an engineering degree. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:23:54 +0700 Erich Dollansky articulated: FAT rules! Uh . . . what? It is on every phone, every camera, every toaster ... And for a very good reason; it is virtually universally usable by any operating system. However, the exFAT system is becoming more prevalent due to its more versatile design. The only reason it's so popular is not precisely for good design. It's only because of Microsoft's dominance of the market. They achieved this dominance not by providing good software, but rather by user the drug dealer's / gangster model in which they are very lax about people copying their crappy software, and then pressuring them into paying out with the BSA. Meanwhile, people became dependent (addicted) to their file formats such as xls and doc, in a vicious cycle making Microsoft ever more powerful over people's will. They didn't kill off the competition by providing better products and services, they just bullied their way through by threatening distributors and hardware manufacturers, and later consumers. Today, Microsoft is still doing this by providing free software to third world schools and governments, much like Nestle does by providing free powdered milks and baby formula in Africa, or like Monsanto does when providing super seeds to struggling farmers. As I heard someone say recently if Al Capone were alive today he'd run a tech company. -- Alejandro Imass ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
... Ah yes, trying to feed the world where hunger is rampant is an evil thing when done by corporate insert name here. Yes, I believe I see the relationship /Sarcasm Sent from my HTC. - Reply message - From: Alejandro Imass a...@p2ee.org Date: Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:46 am Subject: Suggestion To: FreeBSD freebsd-questions@freebsd.org On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:23:54 +0700 Erich Dollansky articulated: FAT rules! Uh . . . what? It is on every phone, every camera, every toaster ... And for a very good reason; it is virtually universally usable by any operating system. However, the exFAT system is becoming more prevalent due to its more versatile design. The only reason it's so popular is not precisely for good design. It's only because of Microsoft's dominance of the market. They achieved this dominance not by providing good software, but rather by user the drug dealer's / gangster model in which they are very lax about people copying their crappy software, and then pressuring them into paying out with the BSA. Meanwhile, people became dependent (addicted) to their file formats such as xls and doc, in a vicious cycle making Microsoft ever more powerful over people's will. They didn't kill off the competition by providing better products and services, they just bullied their way through by threatening distributors and hardware manufacturers, and later consumers. Today, Microsoft is still doing this by providing free software to third world schools and governments, much like Nestle does by providing free powdered milks and baby formula in Africa, or like Monsanto does when providing super seeds to struggling farmers. As I heard someone say recently if Al Capone were alive today he'd run a tech company. -- Alejandro Imass ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Chris rac...@makeworld.com wrote: ... Ah yes, trying to feed the world where hunger is rampant is an evil thing when done by corporate insert name here. Ah yes, the ignorance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_boycott ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Alejandro Imass a...@p2ee.org wrote: On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Chris rac...@makeworld.com wrote: ... Ah yes, trying to feed the world where hunger is rampant is an evil thing when done by corporate insert name here. Ah yes, the ignorance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_boycott And you say there is no relationship: http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/microsoft-versus-open-source-in-the-third-world-20021115/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
... One word that is rampant... Alligations Sent from my HTC. - Reply message - From: Alejandro Imass a...@p2ee.org Date: Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:04 am Subject: Suggestion To: Chris rac...@makeworld.com Cc: FreeBSD freebsd-questions@freebsd.org On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Chris rac...@makeworld.com wrote: ... Ah yes, trying to feed the world where hunger is rampant is an evil thing when done by corporate insert name here. Ah yes, the ignorance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_boycott ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:13:09 -0400 Alejandro Imass articulated: On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Alejandro Imass a...@p2ee.org wrote: On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Chris rac...@makeworld.com wrote: ... Ah yes, trying to feed the world where hunger is rampant is an evil thing when done by corporate insert name here. Ah yes, the ignorance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_boycott And you say there is no relationship: http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/microsoft-versus-open-source-in-the-third-world-20021115/ Seriously, did anyone bother to look at the dates of those articles? -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ If there is a wrong way to do something, then someone will do it. Edward A. Murphy, Jr. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:23:54 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: On Sunday 11 March 2012 10:53:26 Chad Perrin wrote: On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:31:33PM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: FAT rules! Uh . . . what? It is on every phone, every camera, every toaster ... Sorry, you must be wrong. I tried to FORMAT.EXE my toaster but it didn't work. It turned into a bread slicer instead. Maybe the toaster is too old and requires paper tape... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Alejandro Imass writes: FAT rules! Uh . . . what? It is on every phone, every camera, every toaster ... The only reason it's so popular is not precisely for good design. I can think of two: Its properties are well understood. There are a multitude of drivers, at least some well-coded. Many are even open source. :-) And for one of its tasks - as a format for media to be read by multiple devices, presumably under the control of/with the permission of a single person - what exactly is the better alternative? Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On 03/11/12 21:03, ajtiM wrote: On Saturday 10 March 2012 17:36:53 Da Rock wrote: No system is actually truly capable of this, with the exception of the newest kid on the block Plan9. Winblows, in its current form, is the bastard love child of DOS and some black sheep cousin of Unix (twice-removed), so its not happening there either; just some sleight of hand tricks to partially achieve the result with a decrease of security to boot. IMO it is the Microsoft and CO. tactics how to eliminate concurency - Unix, Mac... They never tried to be better... Hah! They didn't need to. The guys who designed Unix finally wound up their work once ported, and then said we can do a lot better now and Plan9 was born. The change was too dramatic for commerce to change for supposedly little reward, and so Plan9 was left on the backburner while a lot of its features were integrated into other *nix platforms (rc, file based devices, etc). So in a way they did try to be better, but not exactly with the original designers blessing. And Plan9 is still an immature child... shame. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
2012-03-11 18:42, Polytropon skrev: On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:23:54 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: On Sunday 11 March 2012 10:53:26 Chad Perrin wrote: On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:31:33PM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: FAT rules! Uh . . . what? It is on every phone, every camera, every toaster ... Sorry, you must be wrong. I tried to FORMAT.EXE my toaster Perhaps you didn't plug it in right. Sata, FW or usb. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 2:36 AM, Erich Dollansky
erichfreebsdl...@ovitrap.com wrote:
Hi,
On Saturday 10 March 2012 14:28:05 Joshua Isom wrote:
[...]
wine was able to fix the problem. Do not forget that most of the problems
Windows has are not linked to design.
I am guessing this is a sarcastic comment!!
ALL of Windows' problems are precisely based on poor design... just to
name a few:
- no clean separation of system and apps
- apps re-write system libs at will
- no lib versioning
- there is not out of the box user / admin separation
- no filesystem-based security
- default network protocols are insecure
...and this is only scratching the surface
Windows is a well-marketed (gangster-style) piece of crap. Same with
SAP, Oracle and many other widely-used enterprise grade IT. These
folks are marketing machines, not technology companies:
q{
There is no inherent value in a technology per se. The value is
determined instead by the business model used to bring it to market.
The same technology taken to the market through two different business
models will yield different amounts of value. An inferior technology
with a better business model will often trump a better technology
commercialized through an inferior business model.
}
Open Innovation, (Chesbrough 2003)
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Alejandro Imass
Erich
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Re: Suggestion
Hi, On Saturday 10 March 2012 22:08:37 Alejandro Imass wrote: On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 2:36 AM, Erich Dollansky erichfreebsdl...@ovitrap.com wrote: On Saturday 10 March 2012 14:28:05 Joshua Isom wrote: [...] it seems that you delete the 'masterpiece'. wine was able to fix the problem. Do not forget that most of the problems Windows has are not linked to design. I am guessing this is a sarcastic comment!! ALL of Windows' problems are precisely based on poor design... just to name a few: - no clean separation of system and apps it is very clearly separated. - apps re-write system libs at will Isn't this another masterpiece FreeBSD is far off achieving? - no lib versioning I think that you are wrong here. It a long time ago but I think I remember they put a version number into the library name. - there is not out of the box user / admin separation Another point where FreeBSD is far behind. It is not possible to give every user on FreeBSD its own account and full administration rights. - no filesystem-based security FAT rules! - default network protocols are insecure Windows has meanwhile default network protocols? I think, I have to do some catching up. ...and this is only scratching the surface Windows is a well-marketed (gangster-style) piece of crap. Same with SAP, Oracle and many other widely-used enterprise grade IT. These folks are marketing machines, not technology companies: Cash rules! Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On 03/11/12 02:31, Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, On Saturday 10 March 2012 22:08:37 Alejandro Imass wrote: On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 2:36 AM, Erich Dollansky erichfreebsdl...@ovitrap.com wrote: On Saturday 10 March 2012 14:28:05 Joshua Isom wrote: [...] it seems that you delete the 'masterpiece'. wine was able to fix the problem. Do not forget that most of the problems Windows has are not linked to design. I am guessing this is a sarcastic comment!! ALL of Windows' problems are precisely based on poor design... just to name a few: - no clean separation of system and apps it is very clearly separated. - apps re-write system libs at will Isn't this another masterpiece FreeBSD is far off achieving? - no lib versioning I think that you are wrong here. It a long time ago but I think I remember they put a version number into the library name. - there is not out of the box user / admin separation Another point where FreeBSD is far behind. It is not possible to give every user on FreeBSD its own account and full administration rights. No system is actually truly capable of this, with the exception of the newest kid on the block Plan9. Winblows, in its current form, is the bastard love child of DOS and some black sheep cousin of Unix (twice-removed), so its not happening there either; just some sleight of hand tricks to partially achieve the result with a decrease of security to boot. - no filesystem-based security FAT rules! - default network protocols are insecure Windows has meanwhile default network protocols? I think, I have to do some catching up. ...and this is only scratching the surface Windows is a well-marketed (gangster-style) piece of crap. Same with SAP, Oracle and many other widely-used enterprise grade IT. These folks are marketing machines, not technology companies: Cash rules! Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On 03/09/12 14:56, Bruno Comerci wrote: Hi guys. Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS project? It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate their process. Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. Sincerely, Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust Linux and any other Unix-based OS. What? If you can't beat 'em, join 'em? Get real... Sincerely Common world's citizen who doesn't trust Windows as far they could throw it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On 03/09/12 16:56, Hexing B wrote: Isn't it illegal to emulate windows OS? Wine would be illegal then. This is Wine on steroids, and then some. Poke a needle in for testing and it will pop ;) Frankly, its not as good as winblow$ and cant do pretty much anything else with it, so its hopeless. Useable for as the OP said, if you can't afford winblows and couldn't be bothered to learn something else. Others mileage may vary though. I trust FreeBSD by now, though ReactOS is worth researching. On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 1:12 PM, ill...@gmail.comill...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 March 2012 23:56, Bruno Comercibruno_come...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi guys. Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS project? It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate their process. Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. Sincerely, Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust Linux and any other Unix-based OS. I agree. I've had a bit too much to drink myself. *hic* -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On 3/8/2012 11:56 PM, Bruno Comerci wrote: Hi guys. Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS project? It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate their process. Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. Sincerely, Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust Linux and any other Unix-based OS. Did I miss something? Did everyone pass out free crack today? I just looked up ReactOS to see WTF this guy was talking about, and now I'm totally confused Who in their right mind would EVER want to run this crap? Wasting time... Right... You want people to give up on BSD, a great OS, and Unix in general, for WINDOWS?!?!?!?! I don't care if Microsoft released the Source Code for Windows NT, 2000, XP, and Windows Server 2003 TODAY... I still wouldn't use it. I like Unix. Actually, I like BSD and Linux, and I kinda miss BeOS, but there is no way I'm going to sit down, toss out years worth of books and DVDs I've accumulated over the years, and use some POS OS that's trying to look like Windows. I'm not using ReactOS, and I'm not sure if this was a Troll post, or a crackhead, but who here REALLY misses a Start Menu? If you don't trust open / source code available if you want it software And if you're a coder who works on that POS, why not look though the sources for BSD and see it's better than most. I had heard of ReactOS, but I never looked into it much, but after reading this I had to check out what it was. After seeing that it's basically a GnuWindows crap hole, I stopped reading and started getting confused. I'm watching Clerks II right now, and it's the part where Jay is singing Good Bye Horses, and what he's hiding, is exactly what I think ReactOS can suck on. I'm not leaving BSD for some stupid start menu. :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On Fri, 9 Mar 2012 01:56:25 -0300, Bruno Comerci wrote: Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS project? Because I like to _act_, instead to just RE-act. REact to some old-fashioned and spoiled concepts and incompatible infrastructures without any future... It would be more beneficial to the internet community [...] You _know_ that the inner bowels of the Internet run UNIX, _not_ Windows, right? [...] and to the users around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than Windows, [...] Just install the Redmond-inspired themes for KDE or Gnome, install wine, and I assume for 99% of imaginable cases you have a solution, if it _has_ to be some Windows stuff. If not, learn something new - which is the _real_ benefit than hanging around with short-term knowledge as it is common in MICROS~1 land -, and use a free alternative. Better security, more features, less money. [...] if you just throw away your FreeBSD Throw away something that just works? Who could be that heavily distracted from reality? [...] and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate their process. Nothing to say against that passage, but resources in FreeBSD development are limited. They are better invested in bringing FreeBSD into its future - because it _has_ a future (unlike legacy operating systems that seem to be intended to primarily run commercial software that has been expensive when bought, but that won't run on current MICROS~1 technology). Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, [...] OpenBSD? :-) Really: Only operating systems that are available as source code have the chance to be trusted. The more people perform audits and actually look at the source code, the better it is. [...] but ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. At least _I_ am not waiting for it (which proves your allquantified we all as false by one counterexample -- simple logic). I would - under no circumstances - trade a stable and powerful OS that runs a plethora of applications and utilizes modern technology for something that tries to be like Windows, even if it's better in terms of source availability, but worse as it's repeating all the things that MICROS~1 has done wrong. Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows [...] To be honest, I would even pay money for FreeBSD if it was a commercial OS, because it really does what I need. Luckily, it can be obtained and used for free, unlike Windows which you can't even try out without contamining your hard disk. [...] and dont trust Linux and any other Unix-based OS. Why is that? Do you believe that imitating MICROS~1 technology is generally better? Or what is the reason? I'd be interested in learning more. For further trust, an OpenBSD psychotherapy is highly advised. ... I also run OpenBSD, so don't bash me for this comment. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
Hi. On 09.03.2012 10:56, Bruno Comerci wrote: Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS project? It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate their process. The only project that has even worser situation with development than ReactOS is actually OS/2 community kernel development project, known as OS/4. So why ReactOS. Who even needs EoL WinXP clone. Which is, by the way, still not production-ready. Win8 is on its way. It will bury you completely. Eugene. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
Troll alert. (just let it die) On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Bruno Comerci bruno_come...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi guys. Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS project? It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate their process. Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. Sincerely, Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust Linux and any other Unix-based OS. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:56 PM, Bruno Comerci bruno_come...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi guys. Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS project? It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate their process. Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. Dude...! Put down the crack pipe and step away from the keyboard... Sincerely, Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust Linux and any other Unix-based OS. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
Hi, On Friday 09 March 2012 11:56:25 Bruno Comerci wrote: Hi guys. Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS project? hey, who clean my desk now? I was just eating when I read this crap. Best trolling ever! It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate their process. have you ever thought, why certain function calls in Windows look the same in FreeBSD? Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. While ReactOS will come out in 20 or 30 years, BSD is around for more than 30 years. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Who in their right mind would EVER want to run this crap? You answered your own question. My guess? People who are too cheap to buy Windows and too stupid to figure out how to find a free copy of XP or Win 7 on the net and do the activation or find a password. That's a pretty small user space. I'm not using ReactOS, and I'm not sure if this was a Troll post, or a crackhead, but who here REALLY misses a Start Menu? (nobody in the room raises his hand) I'll take some of what our pal Bruno is freebasing though. There's a crackwhore I've been meaning to bang. I had heard of ReactOS, but I never looked into it much, but after reading this I had to check out what it was. After seeing that it's basically a GnuWindows crap hole, Pardon my proofreading but I think you probably should have written crap-hole or craphole here. Nevertheless you expressed the idea quite well. ;-) To all the thought-provoking responses thus far I will add my own: You idiots were not only stupid enough to waste your lives copying the functionality of the most broken binary blob in the world and you GPL'd what you came up with?! That really says it all...talk about adding insult to injury. I'll run bootlegged copies of XP before I touch your crap-hole with a ten foot shovel LOL. _ ___ _ _ __ __ _ ___ _ | T / \ | T| T| T T/ ___/ / _]|\ / ___/ | |Y Y| || || | ( \_ / [_ | D )( \_ | l___ | O || l___ | l___ | | |\__ TY_]|/ \__ T | T| || T| T| : |/ \ || [_ |\ / \ | | |l !| || |l |\|| T| . Y \| l_j \___/ l_jl_j \__,_j \___jl_jl__j\_j \___j ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On Mar 8, 2012, at 11:56 PM, Bruno Comerci wrote: Hi guys. Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS project? It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate their process. Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. Sincerely, Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust Linux and any other Unix-based OS. That was funny. Best laugh I've had all day, but then it's early so there room for improvement. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On Friday 09 March 2012 01:56:25 Bruno Comerci wrote: Hi guys. Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS project? It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate their process. Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. Sincerely, Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust Linux and any other Unix-based OS. Hey Man (man ???) ! Your mom should be running after you all over the house, with your hot milk bottle and pacifier in hand, because you skipped your nap time. Please, have mercy on her and go right up to bed. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Suggestion
-Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Bruno Comerci Sent: 09 March 2012 04:56 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Suggestion Hi guys. Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS project? It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate their process. Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. Sincerely, Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust Linux and any other Unix-based OS. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I try not to reply to these things, but I have to say this bloke is having a proper tin bath (laugh) in development since 1996 their website proudly claims, and here we are in 2012 and it is still an alpha! Regards Graeme ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
Hi, On Saturday 10 March 2012 07:57:59 Graeme Dargie wrote: I try not to reply to these things, but I have to say this bloke is having a proper tin bath (laugh) in development since 1996 their website proudly claims, and here we are in 2012 and it is still an alpha! you can see on this how difficult it is to be 100% compatible with Windows. Especially the Virus layer of Windows is hard to redo. It is a masterpiece on its own. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On 03/10/12 11:07, Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, On Saturday 10 March 2012 07:57:59 Graeme Dargie wrote: I try not to reply to these things, but I have to say this bloke is having a proper tin bath (laugh) in development since 1996 their website proudly claims, and here we are in 2012 and it is still an alpha! you can see on this how difficult it is to be 100% compatible with Windows. Especially the Virus layer of Windows is hard to redo. It is a masterpiece on its own. ROFL! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On Fri, Mar 09, 2012 at 01:56:25AM -0300, Bruno Comerci wrote: Hi guys. Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS project? It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate their process. Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. Sincerely, Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust Linux and any other Unix-based OS. That had to be the weakest troll attempt I've ever seen. I actually think that ReactOS, if run by people who weren't tied down by some unfortunate misconceptions, might have been a really good idea -- not as a great OS in its own right, but rather as a gateway drug for Unix-like OSes. Alas, that was not to be. Instead, it looks like it will just be a never-was (and occasional grist for some very weak trolling). -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On 3/9/2012 7:07 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: you can see on this how difficult it is to be 100% compatible with Windows. Especially the Virus layer of Windows is hard to redo. It is a masterpiece on its own. Erich Wine got some of the security issues to match, and they were found in wine and not windows. The problem is, when you're mirroring a broken system, you're naturally broken as well. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
Hi, On Saturday 10 March 2012 14:28:05 Joshua Isom wrote: On 3/9/2012 7:07 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: you can see on this how difficult it is to be 100% compatible with Windows. Especially the Virus layer of Windows is hard to redo. It is a masterpiece on its own. Wine got some of the security issues to match, and they were found in wine and not windows. I know of one case in which the virus worked on wine too. The problem is, when you're mirroring a broken system, you're naturally broken as well. wine was able to fix the problem. Do not forget that most of the problems Windows has are not linked to design. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Suggestion
Hi guys. Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS project? It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate their process. Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. Sincerely, Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust Linux and any other Unix-based OS. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On 8 March 2012 23:56, Bruno Comerci bruno_come...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi guys. Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS project? It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate their process. Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. Sincerely, Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust Linux and any other Unix-based OS. I agree. I've had a bit too much to drink myself. *hic* -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
Isn't it illegal to emulate windows OS? I trust FreeBSD by now, though ReactOS is worth researching. On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 1:12 PM, ill...@gmail.com ill...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 March 2012 23:56, Bruno Comerci bruno_come...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi guys. Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS project? It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate their process. Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. Sincerely, Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust Linux and any other Unix-based OS. I agree. I've had a bit too much to drink myself. *hic* -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
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Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 5:19 AM, Jonathan Vomacka juvi...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/17/2011 12:04 PM, Michael M wrote: *SNIP* / *PRUNE* For whatever it may be worth; I fully stand by dedicating the next release to dmr, as it wouldn't exist without him and Ken. +1 Another reason for a dmr release is that we've finally switched to clang/llvm. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion
On 10/17/2011 12:04 PM, Michael M wrote: *SNIP* / *PRUNE* For whatever it may be worth; I fully stand by dedicating the next release to dmr, as it wouldn't exist without him and Ken. -Allen ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion
On 10/14/11 18:22, Odhiambo Washington wrote: +1 FreeBSD-9 Codename Ritchie. agree_counter++; Alessandro ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion
On 10/17/2011 10:08 AM, Alessandro Spinella wrote: On 10/14/11 18:22, Odhiambo Washington wrote: +1 FreeBSD-9 Codename Ritchie. agree_counter++; agreed. -- RMA. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby miham...@rktmb.org wrote: On 10/17/2011 10:08 AM, Alessandro Spinella wrote: On 10/14/11 18:22, Odhiambo Washington wrote: +1 FreeBSD-9 Codename Ritchie. agree_counter++; agreed. -- RMA. __**_ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**questionshttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-** unsubscr...@freebsd.org freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Terrific idea. +1 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion
FreeBSD needs to acknowledge its history, and C has been and still is a critical part. Dennis Ritchie's role deserves to be acknowledged. Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:43 PM, mikel king mikel.k...@olivent.com wrote: On Oct 13, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Roland Smith wrote: With the recent death of Dennis Ritchie, we've lost one of the giants on whose shoulders we are standing. But rather that mourn his passing, I think it would be proper to remember and celebrate his achievements. His contributions to the C language and the UNIX operating system are a legacy that few can match. Therefore I would like to propose that the FreeBSD project dedicate the upcoming 9.0 release in his memory. Alternatively, an tribute on the FreeBSD website would be fitting, wouldn't it? +1 for a dmr release. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 19:17, Kruppa, Peter Ulrich ulr...@pukruppa.dewrote: On 13.10.2011 23:43, mikel king wrote: On Oct 13, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Roland Smith wrote: With the recent death of Dennis Ritchie, we've lost one of the giants on whose shoulders we are standing. But rather that mourn his passing, I think it would be proper to remember and celebrate his achievements. His contributions to the C language and the UNIX operating system are a legacy that few can match. Therefore I would like to propose that the FreeBSD project dedicate the upcoming 9.0 release in his memory. I believe this would be an appropriate gesture. +1 FreeBSD-9 Codename Ritchie. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion
On Friday 14 October 2011 00:46:43 Chip Camden wrote: Alternatively, an tribute on the FreeBSD website would be fitting, wouldn't it? Roland I think this would be a fitting tribute... Hear, hear! A good friend of mine posted to me, I think, one of the best tributes: printf(goodbye, dad.\n); ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 18:17:15 +0200 Kruppa, Peter Ulrich ulr...@pukruppa.de wrote: On 13.10.2011 23:43, mikel king wrote: On Oct 13, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Roland Smith wrote: With the recent death of Dennis Ritchie, we've lost one of the giants on whose shoulders we are standing. But rather that mourn his passing, I think it would be proper to remember and celebrate his achievements. His contributions to the C language and the UNIX operating system are a legacy that few can match. Therefore I would like to propose that the FreeBSD project dedicate the upcoming 9.0 release in his memory. I believe this would be an appropriate gesture. Regards Peter. -- Peter Ulrich Kruppa Wuppertal Germany ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I am strongly in favour of such a gesture, as an exceptional case. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 05:43:25PM -0400, mikel king wrote:
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:43:25 -0400
From: mikel king mikel.k...@olivent.com
Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion
To: Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl
Cc: FreeBSD questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
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On Oct 13, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Roland Smith wrote:
With the recent death of Dennis Ritchie, we've lost one of the giants on
whose
shoulders we are standing. But rather that mourn his passing, I think it
would
be proper to remember and celebrate his achievements.
both dennis's and ken's ... and for that matter the entire
bunch from murry hill. somewhere in my jumble of books in
my True Bible, 'the c programming language' that i had
dennis autograph 20+ years ago. in my NSHO, that book is
the best book every written. it's just one of dennis's
achievements[!]
His contributions to the C language and the UNIX operating system are a
legacy that few can match.
Therefore I would like to propose that the FreeBSD project dedicate the
upcoming 9.0 release in his memory.
Alternatively, an tribute on the FreeBSD website would be fitting, wouldn't
it?
Roland
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I think this would be a fitting tribute...
hm. given that ken finished up at berkeley in '69 and
'70, isn't it overdue to have at least a page that mentions
the BSD link to its origin and inspiration?
{sigh}
gary
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Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion
+1 to Codename Ritchie.
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On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 05:43:25PM -0400, mikel king wrote:
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:43:25 -0400
From: mikel king mikel.k...@olivent.com
Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion
To: Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl
Cc: FreeBSD questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
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On Oct 13, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Roland Smith wrote:
With the recent death of Dennis Ritchie, we've lost one of the giants
on whose
shoulders we are standing. But rather that mourn his passing, I think
it would
be proper to remember and celebrate his achievements.
both dennis's and ken's ... and for that matter the entire
bunch from murry hill. somewhere in my jumble of books in
my True Bible, 'the c programming language' that i had
dennis autograph 20+ years ago. in my NSHO, that book is
the best book every written. it's just one of dennis's
achievements[!]
His contributions to the C language and the UNIX operating system are a
legacy that few can match.
Therefore I would like to propose that the FreeBSD project dedicate the
upcoming 9.0 release in his memory.
Alternatively, an tribute on the FreeBSD website would be fitting,
wouldn't it?
Roland
--
R.F.Smith
http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/
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appreciated]
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C321A725)
I think this would be a fitting tribute...
hm. given that ken finished up at berkeley in '69 and
'70, isn't it overdue to have at least a page that mentions
the BSD link to its origin and inspiration?
{sigh}
gary
Regards,
Mikel King
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Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion
Quoth mikel king on Thursday, 13 October 2011: On Oct 13, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Roland Smith wrote: With the recent death of Dennis Ritchie, we've lost one of the giants on whose shoulders we are standing. But rather that mourn his passing, I think it would be proper to remember and celebrate his achievements. His contributions to the C language and the UNIX operating system are a legacy that few can match. Therefore I would like to propose that the FreeBSD project dedicate the upcoming 9.0 release in his memory. Alternatively, an tribute on the FreeBSD website would be fitting, wouldn't it? Roland I think this would be a fitting tribute... Hear, hear! -- .O. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com ..O | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com OOO | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com pgpvXfUYfubmH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Dennis Ritchie has died. A suggestion
I think this is a grand idea. -- Ryan Coleman m. 612.910.3709 On Oct 13, 2011, at 18:46, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth mikel king on Thursday, 13 October 2011: On Oct 13, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Roland Smith wrote: With the recent death of Dennis Ritchie, we've lost one of the giants on whose shoulders we are standing. But rather that mourn his passing, I think it would be proper to remember and celebrate his achievements. His contributions to the C language and the UNIX operating system are a legacy that few can match. Therefore I would like to propose that the FreeBSD project dedicate the upcoming 9.0 release in his memory. Alternatively, an tribute on the FreeBSD website would be fitting, wouldn't it? Roland I think this would be a fitting tribute... Hear, hear! -- .O. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com ..O | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com OOO | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: disk problem: suggestion on how to handle...
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 07:08:21 +0200 Denis Fortin for...@acm.org wrote: So, is there a way to mark the inode bad and then launch an fsck ? How can I turn offset=-574217714356717568 into a usable piece of information? It looks like something is causing geom to try and read way past the end of the disk? -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: disk problem: suggestion on how to handle...
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 07:08:21 +0200, Denis Fortin for...@acm.org wrote: Good morning, I have a small server with an SSD drive in it that is having some problems. Notably, dmesg has been repeatedly reporting the following error message: g_vfs_done():ad0s1a[READ(offset=-574217714356717568, length=16384)]error = 5 I realize that the best course of action is to replace the disk and restore from a backup, but this isn't really an option immediately. You should replace it on the long run. :-) So, is there a way to mark the inode bad and then launch an fsck ? How can I turn offset=-574217714356717568 into a usable piece of information? You can use the tool badsect (from the base system) to mark a sector as bad, as inodes are dynamically allocated and do not hard-wiredly correspond to actual disk locations per se. A tool for clearing inode information is clri which should be used on unmounted partitions whenever possible. Files like /usr/src/sys/bio.h and /usr/src/sys/geom/geom_vfs.c give some hints about what the numbers are refering to. Sadly I'm not a system programmer, so I can't be more specific. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
disk problem: suggestion on how to handle...
Good morning, I have a small server with an SSD drive in it that is having some problems. Notably, dmesg has been repeatedly reporting the following error message: g_vfs_done():ad0s1a[READ(offset=-574217714356717568, length=16384)]error = 5 I realize that the best course of action is to replace the disk and restore from a backup, but this isn't really an option immediately. So, is there a way to mark the inode bad and then launch an fsck ? How can I turn offset=-574217714356717568 into a usable piece of information? Any suggestion welcome. Denis, fortin@acm.org___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Re: Suggestion for the fdisk(8) manual page...
As far as I know, the class not found just a warning, not an error. Perhaps, but I've had situations in which fdisk would not alter a PC partition (slice) table. Particularly a table on a disk which the operating itself is running off of. I attempted to delete some unused slices (not the one FreeBSD was one) and the master boot record remained unaltered. I tried the same with gpart and everything worked fine. I wish I would have know about gpart earlier though. -Modulok- On 12/20/09, Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:40:48PM -0700, Modulok wrote: Just a suggestion: In the 'Bugs' section of the 'fdisk(8)' man page, could we get a note that informs users that fdisk is kind of... broken and obsolete? Something like: fdisk is slowly being replaced by gpart(8). fdisk may not work correctly. If you see errors such as fdisk: Class not found, use gpart(8) instead. As far as I know, the class not found just a warning, not an error. In the cases where I've seen it, fdisk still carried out the command it was given. I've always just ignored it. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion for the fdisk(8) manual page...
Just to clarify, when I say 'unused slices', I mean those of other operating systems I was no longer interested in having around, not as in 'marked as free space'. Thanks! -Modulok- On 12/21/09, Modulok modu...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I know, the class not found just a warning, not an error. Perhaps, but I've had situations in which fdisk would not alter a PC partition (slice) table. Particularly a table on a disk which the operating itself is running off of. I attempted to delete some unused slices (not the one FreeBSD was one) and the master boot record remained unaltered. I tried the same with gpart and everything worked fine. I wish I would have know about gpart earlier though. -Modulok- On 12/20/09, Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:40:48PM -0700, Modulok wrote: Just a suggestion: In the 'Bugs' section of the 'fdisk(8)' man page, could we get a note that informs users that fdisk is kind of... broken and obsolete? Something like: fdisk is slowly being replaced by gpart(8). fdisk may not work correctly. If you see errors such as fdisk: Class not found, use gpart(8) instead. As far as I know, the class not found just a warning, not an error. In the cases where I've seen it, fdisk still carried out the command it was given. I've always just ignored it. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Suggestion for the fdisk(8) manual page...
List, Just a suggestion: In the 'Bugs' section of the 'fdisk(8)' man page, could we get a note that informs users that fdisk is kind of... broken and obsolete? Something like: fdisk is slowly being replaced by gpart(8). fdisk may not work correctly. If you see errors such as fdisk: Class not found, use gpart(8) instead. That way, when you're confronted by the initially mysterious, fdisk: Class not found error, you don't waste tons of time double and triple checking slice table syntax and what not. Maybe even right at the top of the man page. Yes, it bit me today. Looking through the archives, apparently I'm not the only one. Thanks! -Modulok- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion for the fdisk(8) manual page...
On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:40:48 +0100, Modulok modu...@gmail.com wrote: List, Just a suggestion: In the 'Bugs' section of the 'fdisk(8)' man page, could we get a note that informs users that fdisk is kind of... broken and obsolete? Something like: fdisk is slowly being replaced by gpart(8). fdisk may not work correctly. If you see errors such as fdisk: Class not found, use gpart(8) instead. That way, when you're confronted by the initially mysterious, fdisk: Class not found error, you don't waste tons of time double and triple checking slice table syntax and what not. Maybe even right at the top of the man page. Yes, it bit me today. Looking through the archives, apparently I'm not the only one. Thanks! -Modulok- Wow.. I wish I knew there *was* any gpart at the first place! I'm still kinda new to FreeBSD -- been using it since 7.0-RELEASE. Every time I had to make some changes to my partition table, I looked WTF-ly at fdisk manpage, then grabbed a Fedora live CD and made the changes from there. gpart looks like something that would do what I needed to do and would not require me to wonder if I got some obscure syntax right when modifying my partitions. So I'd like to second your suggestion: Mentioning gpart in man fdisk would've definitely saved my time. ~ Ondra ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion for the fdisk(8) manual page...
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:40:48PM -0700, Modulok wrote: Just a suggestion: In the 'Bugs' section of the 'fdisk(8)' man page, could we get a note that informs users that fdisk is kind of... broken and obsolete? Something like: fdisk is slowly being replaced by gpart(8). fdisk may not work correctly. If you see errors such as fdisk: Class not found, use gpart(8) instead. As far as I know, the class not found just a warning, not an error. In the cases where I've seen it, fdisk still carried out the command it was given. I've always just ignored it. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpCf4JEWqRqn.pgp Description: PGP signature
Document iso compression suggestion
Hi, I'm not sure if this is the correct email address to use for this suggestion but anyway, I thought you would like to know I managed to compress the iso '7.2-RELEASE-amd64-docs.iso' at 294MB down to just 21.2MB by using 7-zip's ultra compression method - this could help you to conserve bandwidth if you offered a compressed archive for document CD isos. Hope this helps :) Thanks for your time. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: scripting suggestion: how to make this command shorter
On 6/27/09, Zhang Weiwu zhangwe...@realss.com wrote: Hello. I wrote this one-line command to fetch a page from a long uri, parse it twice: first time get subject second time get content, and send it as email to me. $ w3m -dump 'http://search1.taobao.com/browse/33/n-g,w6y4zzjaxxymvjomxy40--commen d-0-all-33.htm?at_topsearch=1ssid=e-s5' | grep -A 100 ¶Ô±È | mail -a 'Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8' -s '=?UTF-8?B?'`w3m -dump 'http://search1.taobao.com/browse/33/n-g,w6y4zzjaxxymvjomxy40--commen d-0-all-33.htm?at_topsearch=1ssid=e-s5' | grep ÕÒµ½.*¼þ | base64 -w0`'?=' zhangwe...@realss.com The stupid part of this script is it fetches the page 2 times and parse 2 times, thus making the command very long. If I can write the command in a way that the URI only appear once, then it is easier for me to maintain it. I plan to put it in cron yet avoid having to modify two places when the URI changes (and it does!). How do you suggest optimizing the one-liner? Whenever I have to look through a long file more than once, I copy the relevant sections into another file (a RAM file if it is short enough and I have the RAM) and then parse it there as many times as I need to do it. Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTOVoKXC2vT8bG75jmaBuBBqrFnzp3RY2ufk0rwdaSjMZVA5BqOKCM/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
scripting suggestion: how to make this command shorter
Hello. I wrote this one-line command to fetch a page from a long uri, parse it twice: first time get subject second time get content, and send it as email to me. $ w3m -dump 'http://search1.taobao.com/browse/33/n-g,w6y4zzjaxxymvjomxy40--commend-0-all-33.htm?at_topsearch=1ssid=e-s5' | grep -A 100 对比 | mail -a 'Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8' -s '=?UTF-8?B?'`w3m -dump 'http://search1.taobao.com/browse/33/n-g,w6y4zzjaxxymvjomxy40--commend-0-all-33.htm?at_topsearch=1ssid=e-s5' | grep 找到.*件 | base64 -w0`'?=' zhangwe...@realss.com The stupid part of this script is it fetches the page 2 times and parse 2 times, thus making the command very long. If I can write the command in a way that the URI only appear once, then it is easier for me to maintain it. I plan to put it in cron yet avoid having to modify two places when the URI changes (and it does!). How do you suggest optimizing the one-liner? By the way I feel it stupid having to wrap the subject by using: $ mail -s '=?UTF-8?B?'`echo $subject | base64`'?=' instead of $ mail -s $subject Because mail(1), as defined, intelligent user agent, should know the current locale is UTF-8 and should know UTF-8 header must be base64 encoded for RFC compatibility. Yet it also should know if mail body is UTF-8 the header 'Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8' must not be omitted in case of UTF-8 content. I think this is a bug, as both are required by RFC. How do you think? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: scripting suggestion: how to make this command shorter
Zhang, Perhaps you could put it into a text file and have cron simply execute the text file. By doing so, you are free to break it up into a more digestible format and start using programming constructs to make your life easier. (Such as storing values in variables, or processing standard input so the script can be called with various URL's and so forth.) Your cron job could then simply execute /home/you/bin/foo, where 'foo' is whatever you decide to name the script. Is there any specific reason why this has to be all on one line? -Modulok- On 6/27/09, Zhang Weiwu zhangwe...@realss.com wrote: Hello. I wrote this one-line command to fetch a page from a long uri, parse it twice: first time get subject second time get content, and send it as email to me. $ w3m -dump 'http://search1.taobao.com/browse/33/n-g,w6y4zzjaxxymvjomxy40--commend-0-all-33.htm?at_topsearch=1ssid=e-s5' | grep -A 100 对比 | mail -a 'Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8' -s '=?UTF-8?B?'`w3m -dump 'http://search1.taobao.com/browse/33/n-g,w6y4zzjaxxymvjomxy40--commend-0-all-33.htm?at_topsearch=1ssid=e-s5' | grep 找到.*件 | base64 -w0`'?=' zhangwe...@realss.com The stupid part of this script is it fetches the page 2 times and parse 2 times, thus making the command very long. If I can write the command in a way that the URI only appear once, then it is easier for me to maintain it. I plan to put it in cron yet avoid having to modify two places when the URI changes (and it does!). How do you suggest optimizing the one-liner? By the way I feel it stupid having to wrap the subject by using: $ mail -s '=?UTF-8?B?'`echo $subject | base64`'?=' instead of $ mail -s $subject Because mail(1), as defined, intelligent user agent, should know the current locale is UTF-8 and should know UTF-8 header must be base64 encoded for RFC compatibility. Yet it also should know if mail body is UTF-8 the header 'Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8' must not be omitted in case of UTF-8 content. I think this is a bug, as both are required by RFC. How do you think? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: scripting suggestion: how to make this command shorter
Modulok wrote: Zhang, Perhaps you could put it into a text file and have cron simply execute the text file. By doing so, you are free to break it up into a more digestible format and start using programming constructs to make your life easier. (Such as storing values in variables, or processing standard input so the script can be called with various URL's and so forth.) Your cron job could then simply execute /home/you/bin/foo, where 'foo' is whatever you decide to name the script. Is there any specific reason why this has to be all on one line? -Modulok- Nothing more than curiosity and small benefit of not having to take care one more file. I know what you mean:) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
Why not just install GRUB and use any boot splash you see fit? Hell you could even spin you're own fBSD release with this as a default if u wanted. On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Ryan da Silva rdasi...@greenfield.com wrote: Hello, If someone could pass this suggestion on i'd appreciate it. It's going to sound a little picky, and probably crazy but I'm an honest and forward person so I'll just say it. Someone needs to change the FreeBSD boot menu. The way the word/logo FreeBSD is displayed in large font with, ASCII characters, reminds me of the 1990`s with BBS`s. Don`t get me wrong, I loved the days of the BBS. But it`s 2009 and FreeBSD is a solid, professional, enterprise-grade operating system and the silly ASCII logo is the only thing that says amateur about the product. I would try to make the change myself for myself, but i am not a programmer. I love this product and would like to suggest changing that screen. To what? I don't know. Maybe instead of the large logo simply put FreeBSD version XXX, copy right etc. Or heck, maybe a color bootscreen like GRUB has in Linux (from what i've seen in Centos/Trixbox). I am not a linux person. I think FreeBSD is the way for professionals. But the inner perfectionist in me HAD to send this ridiculous email in hopes to see a change in v 7.1 RTM. If this isn't the right group, and you know how to get in touch with the people who can help, I would greatly appreciate it. Cheers to everyone who has made this great product! Ryan da Silva ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Opportunity is most often missed by people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. Thomas Alva Edison - Inventor of 1093 patents, including the light bulb, phonogram and motion pictures. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 01:07:57 -0600 (CST), Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com wrote: Enable beastie and you won't have to look at the ugly letters. Or disable the lines include /boot/beastie.4th and beastie-start prefixing them with a backslash in /boot/loader.rc, and put autoboot_delay=1 into /boot/loader.conf. This disables some waiting time at system startup (not that I would care about this) and still enables you to drop to the loader prompt when any key is pressed. -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
Someone needs to change the FreeBSD boot menu. The way the word/logo FreeBSD is displayed in large font with, ASCII characters, reminds me of the 1990`s with BBS`s. Don`t get me wrong, I loved the days of the BBS. But it`s 2009 and FreeBSD is a solid, professional, enterprise-grade operating system and the silly ASCII logo is the only thing that says amateur about the product. I would try to make the well if someone gets opinion about FreeBSD because of it's logo ... why do you care about them. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 1:26 AM, Ryan da Silva rdasi...@greenfield.com wrote: Hello, If someone could pass this suggestion on i'd appreciate it. It's going to sound a little picky, and probably crazy but I'm an honest and forward person so I'll just say it. Someone needs to change the FreeBSD boot menu. The way the word/logo FreeBSD is displayed in large font with, ASCII characters, reminds me of the 1990`s with BBS`s. Don`t get me wrong, I loved the days of the BBS. But it`s 2009 and FreeBSD is a solid, professional, enterprise-grade operating system and the silly ASCII logo is the only thing that says amateur about the product. I would try to make the change myself for myself, but i am not a programmer. I love this product and would like to suggest changing that screen. To what? I don't know. Maybe instead of the large logo simply put FreeBSD version XXX, copy right etc. Or heck, maybe a color bootscreen like GRUB has in Linux (from what i've seen in Centos/Trixbox). I am not a linux person. I think FreeBSD is the way for professionals. But the inner perfectionist in me HAD to send this ridiculous email in hopes to see a change in v 7.1 RTM. The FreeBSD community welcomes people making the product better, regardless of what they contribute (source code, documentation, etc.). Why not create a new logo yourself and submit it? -- Glen Barber Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn. - Benjamin Franklin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 04:02:53PM +0100, cpghost wrote: On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 01:26:03AM -0500, Ryan da Silva wrote: Someone needs to change the FreeBSD boot menu. The way the word/logo FreeBSD is displayed in large font with, ASCII characters, reminds me of the 1990`s with BBS`s. Don`t get me wrong, I loved the days of the BBS. But it`s 2009 and FreeBSD is a solid, professional, enterprise-grade operating system and the silly ASCII logo is the only thing that says amateur about the product. I would try to make the change myself for myself, but i am not a programmer. You can change the logo yourself, e.g. to Beastie. Just add this line to /boot/loader.conf: loader_logo=beastie and: loader_color=YES to get beastie in all his colourful glory ;) If you want to change the logo or add a new one, have a look at /boot/beastie.4th. That's where the graphics are. This is Forth, so the code may seem a little bit opaque at first. I love this product and would like to suggest changing that screen. To what? I don't know. Maybe instead of the large logo simply put FreeBSD version XXX, copy right etc. Or heck, maybe a color bootscreen like GRUB has in Linux (from what i've seen in Centos/Trixbox). The beastie logo is in ANSI-color (there's a bw version of it too). You can create your own ANSI-color representation of your customized logo too. A fully graphical boot logo (e.g. by switching to VESA) won't be so good, because there are many users out there who boot FreeBSD on headless devices (like Soekris), which don't have the appropriate circuitry and have to fall back to the serial console. That's why the current boot screen is very good: it's lightweight, portable, and to a certain extent customizable. Oliver Fromme was working on a graphical bootloader: http://wiki.freebsd.org/OliverFromme/BootLoader The page was last updated in July by the looks of it. snip Regards, -cpghost. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
FreeBSD is displayed in large font with, ASCII characters, reminds me of the 1990`s with BBS`s. Don`t get me wrong, I loved the days of the BBS. But it`s 2009 and FreeBSD is a solid, professional, enterprise-grade operating system and the silly ASCII logo is the only thing that says amateur about the product. Gratuitous misuse of iconic representations, logos and other pointless flair is one of the reasons I moved to beastie. The thing that makes me think of it as a 'professional enterprise-grade operating system' is that I can deploy it and not have to worry about it. The documentation is also excellent. It is these things that make it good, not loading screens, glossy icons, buttons and logos. Besides, I like the little ASCII logo. Ironic for a visual effects artist though :)~ To each his own. -Modulok- On 1/4/09, Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 04:02:53PM +0100, cpghost wrote: On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 01:26:03AM -0500, Ryan da Silva wrote: Someone needs to change the FreeBSD boot menu. The way the word/logo FreeBSD is displayed in large font with, ASCII characters, reminds me of the 1990`s with BBS`s. Don`t get me wrong, I loved the days of the BBS. But it`s 2009 and FreeBSD is a solid, professional, enterprise-grade operating system and the silly ASCII logo is the only thing that says amateur about the product. I would try to make the change myself for myself, but i am not a programmer. You can change the logo yourself, e.g. to Beastie. Just add this line to /boot/loader.conf: loader_logo=beastie and: loader_color=YES to get beastie in all his colourful glory ;) If you want to change the logo or add a new one, have a look at /boot/beastie.4th. That's where the graphics are. This is Forth, so the code may seem a little bit opaque at first. I love this product and would like to suggest changing that screen. To what? I don't know. Maybe instead of the large logo simply put FreeBSD version XXX, copy right etc. Or heck, maybe a color bootscreen like GRUB has in Linux (from what i've seen in Centos/Trixbox). The beastie logo is in ANSI-color (there's a bw version of it too). You can create your own ANSI-color representation of your customized logo too. A fully graphical boot logo (e.g. by switching to VESA) won't be so good, because there are many users out there who boot FreeBSD on headless devices (like Soekris), which don't have the appropriate circuitry and have to fall back to the serial console. That's why the current boot screen is very good: it's lightweight, portable, and to a certain extent customizable. Oliver Fromme was working on a graphical bootloader: http://wiki.freebsd.org/OliverFromme/BootLoader The page was last updated in July by the looks of it. snip Regards, -cpghost. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN HTML HEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html; charset=utf-8 META NAME=Generator CONTENT=MS Exchange Server version 6.5.7651.59 TITLERe: Suggestion/TITLE /HEAD BODY !-- Converted from text/plain format -- PFONT SIZE=2Thanks everyone. The serial console is a good point.BR BR RyanBR BR BR Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless HandheldBR BR - Original Message -BR From: Modulok lt;modu...@gmail.comgt;BR To: Frank Shute lt;fr...@shute.org.ukgt;; cpghost lt;cpgh...@cordula.wsgt;; Ryan da Silva; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org lt;freebsd-questions@freebsd.orggt;BR Sent: Sun Jan 04 19:21:58 2009BR Subject: Re: SuggestionBR BR gt; gt; quot;FreeBSDquot; is displayed in large font with, ASCII characters, reminds meBR gt; gt; of the 1990`s with BBS`s. Don`t get me wrong, I loved the days of theBR gt; gt; BBS. But it`s 2009 and FreeBSD is a solid, professional,BR gt; gt; enterprise-grade operating system and the silly ASCII logo is the onlyBR gt; gt; thing that says amateur about the product.BR BR Gratuitous misuse of iconic representations, logos and other pointlessBR flair is one of the reasons I moved to beastie. The thing that makesBR me think of it as a 'professional enterprise-grade operating system'BR is that I can deploy it and not have to worry about it. TheBR documentation is also excellent. It is these things that make it good,BR not loading screens, glossy icons, buttons and logos. Besides, I likeBR the little ASCII logo. Ironic for a visual effects artist though :)~BR BR To each his own.BR -Modulok-BR BR On 1/4/09, Frank Shute lt;fr...@shute.org.ukgt; wrote:BR gt; On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 04:02:53PM +0100, cpghost wrote:BR gt;gt;BR gt;gt; On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 01:26:03AM -0500, Ryan da Silva wrote:BR gt;gt; gt; Someone needs to change the FreeBSD boot menu. The way the word/logoBR gt;gt; gt; quot;FreeBSDquot; is displayed in large font with, ASCII characters, reminds meBR gt;gt; gt; of the 1990`s with BBS`s. Don`t get me wrong, I loved the days of theBR gt;gt; gt; BBS. But it`s 2009 and FreeBSD is a solid, professional,BR gt;gt; gt; enterprise-grade operating system and the silly ASCII logo is the onlyBR gt;gt; gt; thing that says amateur about the product. I would try to make theBR gt;gt; gt; change myself for myself, but i am not a programmer.BR gt;gt;BR gt;gt; You can change the logo yourself, e.g. to Beastie.BR gt;gt; Just add this line to /boot/loader.conf:BR gt;gt;BR gt;gt; loader_logo=quot;beastiequot;BR gt;BR gt; and:BR gt;BR gt; loader_color=quot;YESquot;BR gt;BR gt; to get beastie in all his colourful glory ;)BR gt;BR gt;gt;BR gt;gt; If you want to change the logo or add a new one,BR gt;gt; have a look at /boot/beastie.4th. That's whereBR gt;gt; the graphics are. This is Forth, so the code mayBR gt;gt; seem a little bit opaque at first.BR gt;gt;BR gt;gt; gt; I love this product and would like to suggest changing thatBR gt;gt; gt; screen. To what? I don't know.nbsp; Maybe instead of the large logoBR gt;gt; gt; simply put quot;FreeBSD version XXX, copy rightquot; etc. Or heck, maybe aBR gt;gt; gt; color bootscreen like GRUB has in Linux (from what i've seen inBR gt;gt; gt; Centos/Trixbox).BR gt;gt;BR gt;gt; The beastie logo is in ANSI-color (there's a bw version of itBR gt;gt; too). You can create your own ANSI-color representation of yourBR gt;gt; customized logo too.BR gt;gt;BR gt;gt; A fully graphical boot logo (e.g. by switching to VESA) won't be soBR gt;gt; good, because there are many users out there who boot FreeBSD onBR gt;gt; headless devices (like Soekris), which don't have the appropriateBR gt;gt; circuitry and have to fall back to the serial console. That's whyBR gt;gt; the current boot screen is very good: it's lightweight, portable,BR gt;gt; and to a certain extent customizable.BR gt;BR gt; Oliver Fromme was working on a graphical bootloader:BR gt;BR gt; A HREF=http://wiki.freebsd.org/OliverFromme/BootLoader;http://wiki.freebsd.org/OliverFromme/BootLoader/ABR gt;BR gt; The page was last updated in July by the looks of it.BR gt;BR gt; lt;snipgt;BR gt;gt;BR gt;gt; Regards,BR gt;gt; -cpghost.BR gt;BR gt; Regards,BR gt;BR gt; --BR gt;BR gt;nbsp; FrankBR gt;BR gt;BR gt;nbsp; Contact info: A HREF=http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html;http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html/ABR gt;BR gt; ___BR gt; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing listBR gt; A HREF=http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions;http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions/ABR gt; To unsubscribe, send any mail to quot;freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.orgquot;BR gt;BR BR __BR This e-mail has been scanned by Spam Manager Email Service, using Skeptic(tm) technology powered by MessageLabs.BR __BR /FONT /P /BODY
Suggestion
Hello, If someone could pass this suggestion on i'd appreciate it. It's going to sound a little picky, and probably crazy but I'm an honest and forward person so I'll just say it. Someone needs to change the FreeBSD boot menu. The way the word/logo FreeBSD is displayed in large font with, ASCII characters, reminds me of the 1990`s with BBS`s. Don`t get me wrong, I loved the days of the BBS. But it`s 2009 and FreeBSD is a solid, professional, enterprise-grade operating system and the silly ASCII logo is the only thing that says amateur about the product. I would try to make the change myself for myself, but i am not a programmer. I love this product and would like to suggest changing that screen. To what? I don't know. Maybe instead of the large logo simply put FreeBSD version XXX, copy right etc. Or heck, maybe a color bootscreen like GRUB has in Linux (from what i've seen in Centos/Trixbox). I am not a linux person. I think FreeBSD is the way for professionals. But the inner perfectionist in me HAD to send this ridiculous email in hopes to see a change in v 7.1 RTM. If this isn't the right group, and you know how to get in touch with the people who can help, I would greatly appreciate it. Cheers to everyone who has made this great product! Ryan da Silva ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suggestion
On Sun, 4 Jan 2009, Ryan da Silva wrote: Someone needs to change the FreeBSD boot menu. The way the word/logo FreeBSD is displayed in large font with, ASCII characters, reminds me of the 1990`s with BBS`s. Enable beastie and you won't have to look at the ugly letters. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: handbook suggestion
First, let me say that I find FreeBSD to be the best of all the free Unices -- and it is due to the excellent and practical documentation. That said, there is an easy way to make FreeBSD easier for the home user. There are a number of suggestions/methods of doing things in the handbook that are appropriate for the business user that are not needed or useful for the home user. As an example, both the usb drive and scanner sections give instructions for allowing others besides root to mount/use the respective hardware. Both suggestions give advice that restrict the enabling to just one group. For home use it would be easier to just allow any user to mount/use hardware. A sidebar or some such giving alternatives for personal/home users would be nice. Thanks, --dr IMHO FreeBSD documentation lack a section in wich are described case studies and recommendations for particular problems. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: CMS suggestion on FreeBSD (except Mambo)
Thank you for all replies. I learned new CMS's. I decided to switch Mambo to other FreeBSD 7.0 server for temporarily. And planning to upgrade older FreeBSD 5.4 to 7.0. Short time frame not allows me to switch contents to new CMS. Anyway, it's sad that current ports tree still have old Mambo version, new release already in their site /belives they fixed security hole in old version: http://mambo-code.org/gf/project/mambo/news/?action=NewsThreadViewid=103 Mambo 4.6.5, codename Jupiter, has been released. This is a maintenance and security release which fixes some potentially serious security vulnerabilities affecting all earlier versions of 4.6./. Best regards Munkh On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Nguyen Tam Chinh uni...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 9:26 PM, munkhbayar batkhuu bmr...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all FreeBSD list members. One of my old FreeBSD-5.4 server is installed with Mambo (4.6.2 Bug Stomp Pre-Release 2, not installed from ports) and I'm going to upgrade this Content Management System (CMS) to FreeBSD-7 and tried to install Mambo via ports. New portaudit installed system says Mambo have security issue and can't be installed. And I'm not going to use Mambo. (I know Mambo have long standing history of security issues). It seems that Joomla will be installed fine (,however). My question is, Can you suggest me on more secure open source CMS?, which CMS are you using on FreeBSD?. How about WordPress? Its code is very nice :) -- With best regards, Chinh Nguyen *** FreeBSD - The Power to Serve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: CMS suggestion on FreeBSD (except Mambo)
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:31:16 +0800 Nguyen Tam Chinh uni...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 9:26 PM, munkhbayar batkhuu bmr...@gmail.com wrote: My question is, Can you suggest me on more secure open source CMS?, which CMS are you using on FreeBSD?. How about WordPress? Its code is very nice :) A simple but fast CMS is Textpattern. For heavy duty (and a somewhat steep learning curve) TYPO3 (4.2.3) is very good. -- Dick Hoogendijk -- PGP/GnuPG key: 01D2433D + http://nagual.nl/ | SunOS sxce snv103 ++ + All that's really worth doing is what we do for others (Lewis Carrol) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: CMS suggestion on FreeBSD (except Mambo)
I would suggest Plone On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 22:26 +0900, munkhbayar batkhuu wrote: Dear all FreeBSD list members. One of my old FreeBSD-5.4 server is installed with Mambo (4.6.2 Bug Stomp Pre-Release 2, not installed from ports) and I'm going to upgrade this Content Management System (CMS) to FreeBSD-7 and tried to install Mambo via ports. New portaudit installed system says Mambo have security issue and can't be installed. And I'm not going to use Mambo. (I know Mambo have long standing history of security issues). It seems that Joomla will be installed fine (,however). My question is, Can you suggest me on more secure open source CMS?, which CMS are you using on FreeBSD?. Thanks in advance. Munkh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: CMS suggestion on FreeBSD (except Mambo)
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008, Julien Cigar wrote: I would suggest Plone I'll second that. Bill -- INTERNET: b...@celestial.com Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way Voice: (206) 236-1676 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820 Fax:(206) 232-9186 People from East Germany have found the West so confusing. It's so much easier when you have only one party. -- Linus Torvalde, Linux Expo Canada when asked about confusion over many Linux distributions. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
