Re: Suitable laptop for FreeBSD?
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 18:06, Aaron Lewis aaron.lewis1...@gmail.com wrote: Bas v.d. Wiel wrote: Aaron Lewis wrote: Umm... that's incorrect. Maybe you mean ATI doesn't supply closed drivers for FreeBSD (although they do have Linux drivers, I think). Well , the opensource ati driver doesn't work for me , no matter linux or FreeBSD , it crashes I've read the documents , and found my ATI is on the support list , but it just don't work ;-( Are you saying the R400 has both integrated and discrete video cards? Lenovo's web site doesn't seem very oriented to telling potential customers details about their newer computers. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA I bought it in china , you'll had to know R400 has lots of types , mine is 2784a18. Of course you can choose to buy an energy-save laptop , which has on independent Video Cards , Just an build-in intel Video Card , it's better for power saving someway. It's very strange that your machine should crash so early in its boot process. I don't own any ATI hardware so I'm not entirely sure on this, but my impression is that booting into the console should work with just about any kind of video hardware. Does Windows actually work with the ATI card? I'm beginning to suspect broken hardware here.. Bas ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Yeah , when i enable Switchable Video Card in BIOS , my Linux won't start X11 , fglrx driver doesn't allow me to do so , it tell me directly to disable this feature , and must turn to Discrete Card Mode. And if i do so , after boot menu , right after the progress bar , ( not the boot loader ) i don't know how to describe this , it just hangs at prompt when i press enter. I think it's because my ATI Video Card is kind of special , it has Switchable Video Card ability , some new features , even ATI official linux driver can't really handle this , and for BSD , it even don't boot. -- Best Regards, Aaron Lewis - PGP: 0xA476D2E9 irc: A4r0n on freenode I also have a Dell D630, but I have not tested with FreeBSD yet. I think after reading this thread I will wipe the M$ off the drive and attempt to get FBSD working according to my needs. I will also make a section at http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ with my findings. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suitable laptop for FreeBSD?
On 3/3/2010 1:48 AM, Andreas Davour wrote: I am thinking of buying a new laptop, and want one which will work fine with FBSD. Anyone have any suggestions? It must have a connector for a external screen (i.e. a projector when doing presentations), wireless, ~15 screen, lots of memory, and optical unit, and preferable a long battery time (i.e. CPU speed is not that important). Webpages, own experiences or any other comparisons available? Please cc me if answering. /andreas You May want to checkout this list: http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ Here's some suggestions , don't choose ATI video cards. ( No UNIX Drivers .. ) Well , i'm on ThinkPad R400 , ATI Mobile HD 3400 and an integrated Video Card , FBSD doesn't boot when i switched to ATI Video card. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suitable laptop for FreeBSD?
On 03/03/10 16:15, Aaron Lewis wrote: snip Here's some suggestions , don't choose ATI video cards. ( No UNIX Drivers .. ) Well , i'm on ThinkPad R400 , ATI Mobile HD 3400 and an integrated Video Card , FBSD doesn't boot when i switched to ATI Video card. Is this only true of more recent ATI devices, or is this only affecting laptops with ATI cards? I only ask because I'm running an ATI card for my desktop with no problems. If this is true for more recent ATI cards only, this puts a crimp in my plans for my super-computer. -- Yours In Christ, PIT Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. Original content copyright under the OWL http://owl.apotheon.org Please do not CC me. If I'm posting to a list it is because I am subscribed. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Suitable laptop for FreeBSD?
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Aaron Lewis aaron.lewis1...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/3/2010 1:48 AM, Andreas Davour wrote: I am thinking of buying a new laptop, and want one which will work fine with FBSD. Anyone have any suggestions? It must have a connector for a external screen (i.e. a projector when doing presentations), wireless, ~15 screen, lots of memory, and optical unit, and preferable a long battery time (i.e. CPU speed is not that important). Webpages, own experiences or any other comparisons available? Please cc me if answering. /andreas You May want to checkout this list: http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ Here's some suggestions , don't choose ATI video cards. ( No UNIX Drivers .. ) Here´s another suggestion: don´t buy anything that has a Broadcom (BCM) ethernet and/or wireless card of any kind. You´ll find that your hardware has no support at all or that the existen support has some serious issues (specially regarding ACPI) My 2 cents Well , i'm on ThinkPad R400 , ATI Mobile HD 3400 and an integrated Video Card , FBSD doesn't boot when i switched to ATI Video card. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suitable laptop for FreeBSD?
Programmer In Training wrote: On 03/03/10 16:15, Aaron Lewis wrote: snip Here's some suggestions , don't choose ATI video cards. ( No UNIX Drivers .. ) Well , i'm on ThinkPad R400 , ATI Mobile HD 3400 and an integrated Video Card , FBSD doesn't boot when i switched to ATI Video card. Is this only true of more recent ATI devices, or is this only affecting laptops with ATI cards? I only ask because I'm running an ATI card for my desktop with no problems. If this is true for more recent ATI cards only, this puts a crimp in my plans for my super-computer. Yeah , it's too new, the open-source driver will not support it. Well , that's because my Thinkpad has two video card , one ATI , one Intel integrated card. The Default OS is Vista , it supports switch between these two without changing BIOS settings. But i kick windows off my laptop , i'm using Linux with ATI card someway ;-) So in my BIOS , i disabled intel integrated video card , only use ATI. Then FBSD hangs after boot menu , can't load kernel ;- ( Strongly recommand you try out NVIDIA , at least it has FreeBSD and Solaris drivers ATI has a bad support for Linux/UNIX .. -- Best Regards, Aaron Lewis - PGP: 0xA476D2E9 irc: A4r0n on freenode ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suitable laptop for FreeBSD?
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Aaron Lewis wrote: On 3/3/2010 1:48 AM, Andreas Davour wrote: I am thinking of buying a new laptop, and want one which will work fine with FBSD. Anyone have any suggestions? It must have a connector for a external screen (i.e. a projector when doing presentations), wireless, ~15 screen, lots of memory, and optical unit, and preferable a long battery time (i.e. CPU speed is not that important). Webpages, own experiences or any other comparisons available? Please cc me if answering. /andreas You May want to checkout this list: http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ Here's some suggestions , don't choose ATI video cards. ( No UNIX Drivers .. ) Umm... that's incorrect. Maybe you mean ATI doesn't supply closed drivers for FreeBSD (although they do have Linux drivers, I think). xorg's open xf86-video-ati driver supports ATI video cards, including the Radeon Mobility cards in two notebooks I've tested. Well , i'm on ThinkPad R400 , ATI Mobile HD 3400 and an integrated Video Card FBSD doesn't boot when i switched to ATI Video card. Are you saying the R400 has both integrated and discrete video cards? Lenovo's web site doesn't seem very oriented to telling potential customers details about their newer computers. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suitable laptop for FreeBSD?
Umm... that's incorrect. Maybe you mean ATI doesn't supply closed drivers for FreeBSD (although they do have Linux drivers, I think). Well , the opensource ati driver doesn't work for me , no matter linux or FreeBSD , it crashes I've read the documents , and found my ATI is on the support list , but it just don't work ;-( Are you saying the R400 has both integrated and discrete video cards? Lenovo's web site doesn't seem very oriented to telling potential customers details about their newer computers. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA I bought it in china , you'll had to know R400 has lots of types , mine is 2784a18. Of course you can choose to buy an energy-save laptop , which has on independent Video Cards , Just an build-in intel Video Card , it's better for power saving someway. -- Best Regards, Aaron Lewis - PGP: 0xA476D2E9 irc: A4r0n on freenode ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suitable laptop for FreeBSD?
According to Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com on Wed, 03/03/10 at 10:30: Umm... that's incorrect. Maybe you mean ATI doesn't supply closed drivers for FreeBSD (although they do have Linux drivers, I think). xorg's open xf86-video-ati driver supports ATI video cards, including the Radeon Mobility cards in two notebooks I've tested. Well , i'm on ThinkPad R400 , ATI Mobile HD 3400 and an integrated Video Card FBSD doesn't boot when i switched to ATI Video card. Are you saying the R400 has both integrated and discrete video cards? Lenovo's web site doesn't seem very oriented to telling potential customers details about their newer computers. I think yes. At least in my case. I have a T500 and it came with both integrated Intel video plus an additional ATI mini-card. I don't recall if there was an Nvidia video choice. Regards, web... -- William Bulley Email: w...@umich.edu 72 characters width template -| ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suitable laptop for FreeBSD?
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Aaron Lewis wrote: Programmer In Training wrote: On 03/03/10 16:15, Aaron Lewis wrote: snip Here's some suggestions , don't choose ATI video cards. ( No UNIX Drivers .. ) Well , i'm on ThinkPad R400 , ATI Mobile HD 3400 and an integrated Video Card , FBSD doesn't boot when i switched to ATI Video card. Is this only true of more recent ATI devices, or is this only affecting laptops with ATI cards? I only ask because I'm running an ATI card for my desktop with no problems. If this is true for more recent ATI cards only, this puts a crimp in my plans for my super-computer. Yeah , it's too new, the open-source driver will not support it. Well , that's because my Thinkpad has two video card , one ATI , one Intel integrated card. The Default OS is Vista , it supports switch between these two without changing BIOS settings. But i kick windows off my laptop , i'm using Linux with ATI card someway ;-) So in my BIOS , i disabled intel integrated video card , only use ATI. Then FBSD hangs after boot menu , can't load kernel ;- ( Strongly recommand you try out NVIDIA , at least it has FreeBSD and Solaris drivers Closed binary drivers only. Which is adequate if they support the version and arch of operating system you plan to run, and you trust the vendor to supply updated drivers for later versions of the OS. ATI has a bad support for Linux/UNIX .. I disagree. ATI has released programming information for their boards; nVidia has not. Which is why there's a mostly-functional open-source driver with 2D and 3D acceleration for ATI, ...and nouveau for nVidia. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suitable laptop for FreeBSD?
Aaron Lewis wrote: Umm... that's incorrect. Maybe you mean ATI doesn't supply closed drivers for FreeBSD (although they do have Linux drivers, I think). Well , the opensource ati driver doesn't work for me , no matter linux or FreeBSD , it crashes I've read the documents , and found my ATI is on the support list , but it just don't work ;-( Are you saying the R400 has both integrated and discrete video cards? Lenovo's web site doesn't seem very oriented to telling potential customers details about their newer computers. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA I bought it in china , you'll had to know R400 has lots of types , mine is 2784a18. Of course you can choose to buy an energy-save laptop , which has on independent Video Cards , Just an build-in intel Video Card , it's better for power saving someway. It's very strange that your machine should crash so early in its boot process. I don't own any ATI hardware so I'm not entirely sure on this, but my impression is that booting into the console should work with just about any kind of video hardware. Does Windows actually work with the ATI card? I'm beginning to suspect broken hardware here.. Bas ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suitable laptop for FreeBSD?
On 03/03/10 14:48, Andreas Davour wrote: I am thinking of buying a new laptop, and want one which will work fine with FBSD. Anyone have any suggestions? It must have a connector for a external screen (i.e. a projector when doing presentations), wireless, ~15 screen, lots of memory, and optical unit, and preferable a long battery time (i.e. CPU speed is not that important). Webpages, own experiences or any other comparisons available? Please cc me if answering. /andreas I am running FreeBSD (8-STABLE) on a Dell Latitude D630, and I'm very content with it. The D630 version has a 14.1 display, but I believe there is also a 15 version (which was called D830 if I recall correctly). Out of the box support for wireless (wpi) , wired (bge) , cpu-throtteling (cpufreq), audio (snd_hda) and the display-dimming functionality. When I bought it battery lifetime was over 6 hours (with a 9 cell battery) when just using browser/e-mail client/ word-processor kind of applications. Now (I have this machine about 2.5 years now) it's still about 3 hours, and I use it every day for at least 3 or 4 hours. Suspend/Resume almost works; meaning it does actually suspend and resume, unfortunately both wired and wireless are dead after resuming. Since I never use a external monitor I do not know if that works correctly or not. My version has an intel card but it is also possible to obtain a laptop with a nvidia GPU. For the external monitor stuff I guess the best bet would be an nvidia card. Anyway: the conclusion is that it may be a good idea to take a look at Dell's range of laptops. Good luck Regards, -- - Frank ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Suitable laptop for FreeBSD?
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Andreas Davour a...@update.uu.se wrote: I am thinking of buying a new laptop, and want one which will work fine with FBSD. Anyone have any suggestions? It must have a connector for a external screen (i.e. a projector when doing presentations), wireless, ~15 screen, lots of memory, and optical unit, and preferable a long battery time (i.e. CPU speed is not that important). Webpages, own experiences or any other comparisons available? Please cc me if answering. /andreas -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I use a lenovo thinkpad T500 running 8.0-STABLE, with xrandr i can set up external monitors in no time. The ATi card works very well, i get over 2000fps on glxgears but it does not have power management just yet, so it gets hot. 15.4 @ 1680x1050, 4GB DDR3, T9550 @ 2.66GHz hos...@pci0:0:0:0: class=0x06 card=0x20e017aa chip=0x2a408086 rev=0x07 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'Mobile Memory Controller Hub' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI pc...@pci0:0:1:0: class=0x060400 card=0x20e217aa chip=0x2a418086 rev=0x07 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'Mobile PCI Express Graphics Port' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI no...@pci0:0:3:0: class=0x078000 card=0x20e617aa chip=0x2a448086 rev=0x07 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'Intel Management Engine Interface (Mobile 4 Series Chipset)' class = simple comms no...@pci0:0:3:3: class=0x070002 card=0x20ec17aa chip=0x2a478086 rev=0x07 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'Active Management Technology - SOL (20EC17AA)' class = simple comms subclass = UART e...@pci0:0:25:0:class=0x02 card=0x20ee17aa chip=0x10f58086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'Intel 82567LM-2 Gigabit Network Connection (82567LM)' class = network subclass = ethernet uh...@pci0:0:26:0: class=0x0c0300 card=0x20f017aa chip=0x29378086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801IB/IR/IH (ICH9 Family) USB Universal Host Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uh...@pci0:0:26:1: class=0x0c0300 card=0x20f017aa chip=0x29388086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801IB/IR/IH (ICH9 Family) USB Universal Host Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uh...@pci0:0:26:2: class=0x0c0300 card=0x20f017aa chip=0x29398086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801IB/IR/IH (ICH9 Family) USB Universal Host Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB eh...@pci0:0:26:7: class=0x0c0320 card=0x20f117aa chip=0x293c8086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801IB/IR/IH (ICH9 Family) USB2 Enhanced Host Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB hd...@pci0:0:27:0: class=0x040300 card=0x20f217aa chip=0x293e8086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801IB/IR/IH (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller' class = multimedia subclass = HDA pc...@pci0:0:28:0: class=0x060400 card=0x20f317aa chip=0x29408086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801IB/IR/IH (ICH9 Family) PCIe Root Port 1' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pc...@pci0:0:28:1: class=0x060400 card=0x20f317aa chip=0x29428086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801IB/IR/IH (ICH9 Family) PCIe Root Port 2' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pc...@pci0:0:28:2: class=0x060400 card=0x20f317aa chip=0x29448086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801IB/IR/IH (ICH9 Family) PCIe Root Port 3' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pc...@pci0:0:28:3: class=0x060400 card=0x20f317aa chip=0x29468086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801IB/IR/IH (ICH9 Family) PCIe Root Port 4' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pc...@pci0:0:28:4: class=0x060400 card=0x20f317aa chip=0x29488086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801IB/IR/IH (ICH9 Family) PCIe Root Port 5' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI uh...@pci0:0:29:0: class=0x0c0300 card=0x20f017aa chip=0x29348086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device =
Re: Suitable laptop for FreeBSD?
Bas v.d. Wiel wrote: Aaron Lewis wrote: Umm... that's incorrect. Maybe you mean ATI doesn't supply closed drivers for FreeBSD (although they do have Linux drivers, I think). Well , the opensource ati driver doesn't work for me , no matter linux or FreeBSD , it crashes I've read the documents , and found my ATI is on the support list , but it just don't work ;-( Are you saying the R400 has both integrated and discrete video cards? Lenovo's web site doesn't seem very oriented to telling potential customers details about their newer computers. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA I bought it in china , you'll had to know R400 has lots of types , mine is 2784a18. Of course you can choose to buy an energy-save laptop , which has on independent Video Cards , Just an build-in intel Video Card , it's better for power saving someway. It's very strange that your machine should crash so early in its boot process. I don't own any ATI hardware so I'm not entirely sure on this, but my impression is that booting into the console should work with just about any kind of video hardware. Does Windows actually work with the ATI card? I'm beginning to suspect broken hardware here.. Bas ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Yeah , when i enable Switchable Video Card in BIOS , my Linux won't start X11 , fglrx driver doesn't allow me to do so , it tell me directly to disable this feature , and must turn to Discrete Card Mode. And if i do so , after boot menu , right after the progress bar , ( not the boot loader ) i don't know how to describe this , it just hangs at prompt when i press enter. I think it's because my ATI Video Card is kind of special , it has Switchable Video Card ability , some new features , even ATI official linux driver can't really handle this , and for BSD , it even don't boot. -- Best Regards, Aaron Lewis - PGP: 0xA476D2E9 irc: A4r0n on freenode ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
