Dell Latitude E6520 Xorg Problems

2013-07-18 Thread dweimer

Is anyone out there running FreeBSD on a Dell Latitude E6520?

I am struggling to Xorg to start, doing the Xorg -configure I get 
number of created screens does not match number of detected devices I 
have tried with an external monitor attached and laptop closed, with 
external monitor attached and laptop open, and with no external monitor. 
 All same results, I did remember to disable the Optimus feature in the 
bios, even tried enabling it, no change.


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Re: Dell Latitude E6520 Xorg Problems

2013-07-18 Thread OpenSlate ChalkDust
Does it work with the lid open and no additional monitor attached?


On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:43 AM, dweimer dwei...@dweimer.net wrote:

 Is anyone out there running FreeBSD on a Dell Latitude E6520?

 I am struggling to Xorg to start, doing the Xorg -configure I get number
 of created screens does not match number of detected devices I have tried
 with an external monitor attached and laptop closed, with external monitor
 attached and laptop open, and with no external monitor.  All same results,
 I did remember to disable the Optimus feature in the bios, even tried
 enabling it, no change.

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Re: Dell Latitude E6520 Xorg Problems

2013-07-18 Thread Dean E. Weimer
Nope, but perhaps I found some information, that has me in going in the right 
direction, this has an integrated intel video card with the core i7, in process 
of rebuilding world and kernel with Kim's and xorg_new set in make.conf.

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 18, 2013, at 8:12 AM, OpenSlate ChalkDust openslatep...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Does it work with the lid open and no additional monitor attached?
 
 
 On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:43 AM, dweimer dwei...@dweimer.net wrote:
 Is anyone out there running FreeBSD on a Dell Latitude E6520?
 
 I am struggling to Xorg to start, doing the Xorg -configure I get number of 
 created screens does not match number of detected devices I have tried with 
 an external monitor attached and laptop closed, with external monitor 
 attached and laptop open, and with no external monitor.  All same results, I 
 did remember to disable the Optimus feature in the bios, even tried enabling 
 it, no change.
 
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Re: Dell Latitude E6520 Xorg Problems

2013-07-18 Thread Dean E. Weimer
Oops stupid iPAD spell correct Kim's = KMS.

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 18, 2013, at 8:38 AM, Dean E. Weimer dwei...@dweimer.net wrote:

 Nope, but perhaps I found some information, that has me in going in the right 
 direction, this has an integrated intel video card with the core i7, in 
 process of rebuilding world and kernel with Kim's and xorg_new set in 
 make.conf.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jul 18, 2013, at 8:12 AM, OpenSlate ChalkDust openslatep...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Does it work with the lid open and no additional monitor attached?
 
 
 On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:43 AM, dweimer dwei...@dweimer.net wrote:
 Is anyone out there running FreeBSD on a Dell Latitude E6520?
 
 I am struggling to Xorg to start, doing the Xorg -configure I get number 
 of created screens does not match number of detected devices I have tried 
 with an external monitor attached and laptop closed, with external monitor 
 attached and laptop open, and with no external monitor.  All same results, 
 I did remember to disable the Optimus feature in the bios, even tried 
 enabling it, no change.
 
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Re: Dell Latitude E6520 Xorg Problems

2013-07-18 Thread Dean E. Weimer
I have only gone as far as scanning wifi and it did find all the ssids I 
expected.  System is now recompiling the xorg ports with new kernel and world 
in place.

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 18, 2013, at 8:50 AM, OpenSlate ChalkDust openslatep...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 I am interested in your solution as I plan to more from my old desktop to a 
 notebook, most likely the same Dell you have.
 
 Have you gotten as far as WiFi? Dell has a bad reputation for network 
 drivers, especially WiFi.
 
 On Jul 18, 2013 3:41 AM, Dean E. Weimer dwei...@dweimer.net wrote:
 Oops stupid iPAD spell correct Kim's = KMS.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jul 18, 2013, at 8:38 AM, Dean E. Weimer dwei...@dweimer.net wrote:
 
  Nope, but perhaps I found some information, that has me in going in the 
  right direction, this has an integrated intel video card with the core i7, 
  in process of rebuilding world and kernel with Kim's and xorg_new set in 
  make.conf.
 
  Sent from my iPad
 
  On Jul 18, 2013, at 8:12 AM, OpenSlate ChalkDust openslatep...@gmail.com 
  wrote:
 
  Does it work with the lid open and no additional monitor attached?
 
 
  On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:43 AM, dweimer dwei...@dweimer.net wrote:
  Is anyone out there running FreeBSD on a Dell Latitude E6520?
 
  I am struggling to Xorg to start, doing the Xorg -configure I get 
  number of created screens does not match number of detected devices I 
  have tried with an external monitor attached and laptop closed, with 
  external monitor attached and laptop open, and with no external monitor. 
   All same results, I did remember to disable the Optimus feature in the 
  bios, even tried enabling it, no change.
 
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Re: Dell Latitude E6520 Xorg Problems

2013-07-18 Thread OpenSlate ChalkDust
I am interested in your solution as I plan to more from my old desktop to a
notebook, most likely the same Dell you have.

Have you gotten as far as WiFi? Dell has a bad reputation for network
drivers, especially WiFi.
On Jul 18, 2013 3:41 AM, Dean E. Weimer dwei...@dweimer.net wrote:

 Oops stupid iPAD spell correct Kim's = KMS.

 Sent from my iPad

 On Jul 18, 2013, at 8:38 AM, Dean E. Weimer dwei...@dweimer.net wrote:

  Nope, but perhaps I found some information, that has me in going in the
 right direction, this has an integrated intel video card with the core i7,
 in process of rebuilding world and kernel with Kim's and xorg_new set in
 make.conf.
 
  Sent from my iPad
 
  On Jul 18, 2013, at 8:12 AM, OpenSlate ChalkDust 
 openslatep...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Does it work with the lid open and no additional monitor attached?
 
 
  On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:43 AM, dweimer dwei...@dweimer.net wrote:
  Is anyone out there running FreeBSD on a Dell Latitude E6520?
 
  I am struggling to Xorg to start, doing the Xorg -configure I get
 number of created screens does not match number of detected devices I
 have tried with an external monitor attached and laptop closed, with
 external monitor attached and laptop open, and with no external monitor.
  All same results, I did remember to disable the Optimus feature in the
 bios, even tried enabling it, no change.
 
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Re: Dell Latitude E6520 Xorg Problems

2013-07-18 Thread Dean E. Weimer
Success X is running after some more playing to verify what works and doesn't I 
will post back with full config, FYI I did have to re-enable Optimus after 
rebuilding with KMS.

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 18, 2013, at 9:04 AM, Dean E. Weimer dwei...@dweimer.net wrote:

 I have only gone as far as scanning wifi and it did find all the ssids I 
 expected.  System is now recompiling the xorg ports with new kernel and world 
 in place.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jul 18, 2013, at 8:50 AM, OpenSlate ChalkDust openslatep...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I am interested in your solution as I plan to more from my old desktop to a 
 notebook, most likely the same Dell you have.
 
 Have you gotten as far as WiFi? Dell has a bad reputation for network 
 drivers, especially WiFi.
 
 On Jul 18, 2013 3:41 AM, Dean E. Weimer dwei...@dweimer.net wrote:
 Oops stupid iPAD spell correct Kim's = KMS.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jul 18, 2013, at 8:38 AM, Dean E. Weimer dwei...@dweimer.net wrote:
 
 Nope, but perhaps I found some information, that has me in going in the 
 right direction, this has an integrated intel video card with the core i7, 
 in process of rebuilding world and kernel with Kim's and xorg_new set in 
 make.conf.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jul 18, 2013, at 8:12 AM, OpenSlate ChalkDust openslatep...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Does it work with the lid open and no additional monitor attached?
 
 
 On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:43 AM, dweimer dwei...@dweimer.net wrote:
 Is anyone out there running FreeBSD on a Dell Latitude E6520?
 
 I am struggling to Xorg to start, doing the Xorg -configure I get 
 number of created screens does not match number of detected devices I 
 have tried with an external monitor attached and laptop closed, with 
 external monitor attached and laptop open, and with no external monitor. 
  All same results, I did remember to disable the Optimus feature in the 
 bios, even tried enabling it, no change.
 
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Re: Dell Latitude E6520 Xorg Problems

2013-07-18 Thread dweimer

On 07/18/2013 9:18 am, Dean E. Weimer wrote:

Success X is running after some more playing to verify what works and
doesn't I will post back with full config, FYI I did have to re-enable
Optimus after rebuilding with KMS.



So far I still haven't been able to get the external monitor working, I 
have rebuilt the system using options KMS and NEW_XORG, in the 
make.conf, here is the full make.conf file.


# Port Options
WITH_OPENSSL_PORT=YES
WRKDIRPREFIX=/var/ports
PACKAGES=/var/ports/packages
WITH_PKGNG=YES
WITH_KMS=YES
WITH_NEW_XORG=YES

# Build Options
NO_WERROR=
WERROR=

#${.CURDIR:M*/www/squid*} | \
# Use Clang instead of GCC
.if target(index) | \
${.CURDIR:M*/lang/gcc*}
USE_GCC?=4.2
.endif
.if !defined(USE_GCC)
.if !defined(CC) || ${CC} == cc
CC=clang
.endif
.if !defined(CXX) || ${CXX} == c++
CXX=clang++
.endif
.if !defined(CPP) || ${CPP} == cpp
CPP=clang-cpp
.endif
.endif

# added by use.perl 2013-07-18 17:54:32
PERL_VERSION=5.16.3

Here is the content of /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Section ServerLayout
Identifier X.org Configured
Screen  0  Screen0 0 0
Screen  1  Screen1 LeftOf Screen0
InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer
InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard
EndSection

Section Files
ModulePath   /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules
FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/
FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/
FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF/
FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/
FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/
FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/
EndSection

Section Module
Load  extmod
Load  dri2
Load  dbe
Load  dri
Load  record
Load  glx
EndSection

Section InputDevice
Identifier  Keyboard0
Driver  kbd
EndSection

Section InputDevice
Identifier  Mouse0
Driver  mouse
Option  Protocol auto
Option  Device /dev/sysmouse
Option  ZAxisMapping 4 5 6 7
EndSection

Section Monitor
Identifier   Monitor0
VendorName   Monitor Vendor
ModelNameMonitor Model
EndSection

Section Monitor
Identifier   Monitor1
VendorName   Monitor Vendor
ModelNameMonitor Model
EndSection

Section Device
### Available Driver options are:-
### Values: i: integer, f: float, bool: True/False,
### string: String, freq: f Hz/kHz/MHz,
### percent: f%
### [arg]: arg optional
#Option SWcursor  # [bool]
#Option HWcursor  # [bool]
#Option NoAccel   # [bool]
#Option ShadowFB  # [bool]
#Option UseFBDev  # [bool]
#Option Rotate# [str]
#Option VideoKey  # i
#Option FlatPanel # [bool]
#Option FPDither  # [bool]
#Option CrtcNumber# i
#Option FPScale   # [bool]
#Option FPTweak   # i
#Option DualHead  # [bool]
Identifier  Card0
Driver  nv
BusID   PCI:1:0:0
EndSection

Section Device
### Available Driver options are:-
### Values: i: integer, f: float, bool: True/False,
### string: String, freq: f Hz/kHz/MHz,
### percent: f%
### [arg]: arg optional
#Option NoAccel   # [bool]
#Option AccelMethod   # str
#Option Backlight # str
#Option DRI   # str
#Option ColorKey  # i
#Option VideoKey  # i
#Option Tiling# [bool]
#Option LinearFramebuffer # [bool]
#Option SwapbuffersWait   # [bool]
#Option TripleBuffer  # [bool]
#Option XvPreferOverlay   # [bool]
#Option HotPlug   # [bool]
#Option RelaxedFencing# [bool]
#Option XvMC  # [bool]
#Option ZaphodHeads   # str
#Option TearFree  # [bool]
#Option PerCrtcPixmaps# [bool]
#Option FallbackDebug # [bool]
#Option DebugFlushBatches # [bool]
#Option DebugFlushCaches  # [bool]
#Option DebugWait # [bool]
#Option BufferCache   # [bool]
Identifier  Card1
Driver  intel
BusID   PCI:0:2:0
EndSection

Section Screen
Identifier Screen0
Device Card1
MonitorMonitor0
SubSection Display
Viewport   0 0
   

Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-27 Thread Marc Fonvieille
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 04:11:27PM -0400, Eitan Adler wrote:
  I used make install as I had no way of knowing that additional drivers
  could be selected.  Perhaps that should be an option to the sysinstall
  program when FBSD is initially being installed.
 
 
  Yes, people can't guess what are the names of the drivers, it's in my
  opinion a problem for this port.  I Cced the maintainer.
 
 I have a lot on my plate right now so I can't guarantee that I'll
 solve this soon.
 Would depending on x11-driver/xorg-drivers instead of requiring
 VIDEO_DRIVER being set help at all?
 I intended this port to be used when you require X11 to up and running
 fast without any overhead. That is why things like xset aren't
 installed. It is possible to run X11 with the vesa driver even if you
 can get better performance with a different driver.


Having a config menu to select the drivers to be installed (via OPTIONS)
is what is missing.

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Re: Xorg Problems

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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-26 Thread Marc Fonvieille
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 07:17:48AM -0700, Fred Boatwright wrote:
  
  For x11/xorg-minimal installation you issued the command:
  
  make install or make install VIDEO_DRIVER=your_video_driver ?
  
  Without the mention of the driver it installs the vesa driver only.
  This is sub-optimal, an options screen with all existing drivers should
  be proposed.
  
  --
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 I used make install as I had no way of knowing that additional drivers
 could be selected.  Perhaps that should be an option to the sysinstall
 program when FBSD is initially being installed.


Yes, people can't guess what are the names of the drivers, it's in my
opinion a problem for this port.  I Cced the maintainer.

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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-26 Thread Eitan Adler
 I used make install as I had no way of knowing that additional drivers
 could be selected.  Perhaps that should be an option to the sysinstall
 program when FBSD is initially being installed.


 Yes, people can't guess what are the names of the drivers, it's in my
 opinion a problem for this port.  I Cced the maintainer.

I have a lot on my plate right now so I can't guarantee that I'll
solve this soon.
Would depending on x11-driver/xorg-drivers instead of requiring
VIDEO_DRIVER being set help at all?
I intended this port to be used when you require X11 to up and running
fast without any overhead. That is why things like xset aren't
installed. It is possible to run X11 with the vesa driver even if you
can get better performance with a different driver.


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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-23 Thread perryh
Fred Boatwright f...@blakemfg.com wrote:

 Until FBSD X is working on the pc I have to use Netscape 4.79 on
 a Sun running Solaris 2.6 (which I would prefer to keep using if
 only a modern browser was available) ...

If the problems with X on FBSD are limited to the X server
(display subsystem), perhaps you can run X clients (such as a
recent version of FireFox) on the FBSD box with DISPLAY set to
the Solaris box.

The simplest way of doing this is to ssh into the FBSD box from an
xterm (or rxvt, or whatever) on the Solaris box.  Depending on how
ssh is set up you may (or may not) need to specify -X to get the
X protocol forwarded.  Forwarding will result in DISPLAY being set
to something like localhost:10.0 in the FBSD shell session, and it
should just work.
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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-23 Thread Fred

per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:

Fred Boatwright f...@blakemfg.com wrote:

  

Until FBSD X is working on the pc I have to use Netscape 4.79 on
a Sun running Solaris 2.6 (which I would prefer to keep using if
only a modern browser was available) ...



If the problems with X on FBSD are limited to the X server
(display subsystem), perhaps you can run X clients (such as a
recent version of FireFox) on the FBSD box with DISPLAY set to
the Solaris box.

The simplest way of doing this is to ssh into the FBSD box from an
xterm (or rxvt, or whatever) on the Solaris box.  Depending on how
ssh is set up you may (or may not) need to specify -X to get the
X protocol forwarded.  Forwarding will result in DISPLAY being set
to something like localhost:10.0 in the FBSD shell session, and it
should just work.
___

  
The problem I was having is fixed now.  xrdb was hanging for some reason 
to be fixed later.  However, I am very much interested in your 
suggestion and planned to post some questions about how to do it when I 
had time to work on it.


Best regards,
Fred


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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-22 Thread parv
in message 4c70a618.d6d35...@blakemfg.com,
wrote Fred Boatwright thusly...

 The .xinitrc file:
  xrdb
  xsetroot -solid gray 
  xterm -geometry +0-100 
  xconsole -geometry -0+0 -fn 5x7 
 #exec olvwm   #complained about a missing font
  exec fvwm
...
 I don't understand why xterm and xconsole are to be started before
 the window manager.

Window manager is started at the end so that when it exits, it takes
all the open programs with it.

If you start the window manager in background too ...

  xrdb
  ...
  exec fvwm 


... then all you would see is a flash of window opening (and
subsequently closing) as no program would be there to block exiting
out of X11.

You could start any other program in foreground after starting
window manager ...

  xrdb
  ...
  fvwm 
  # Exit this xterm, exit out of X11.
  exec xterm -T 'Die, Die!'


You would need to then exit that program so that open files close,
other programs die, X11 shuts down, and so on, so forth.


  - parv

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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-22 Thread Marc Fonvieille
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 07:41:49PM -0700, Fred Boatwright wrote:
 Warren Block wrote:
  
  On Sat, 21 Aug 2010, Warren Block wrote:
  
   Log file is at http://wonkity.com/~wblock/tmp/Xorg.0.log
  
  First notes:
  
  You're running the old version of X, 1.6.1.
  
  Something odd is going on with some of the fonts.
 
 I installed ports/x11/xorg-minimal as the full Monty appeared to be a
 huge amount of software that will never get used.  I don't want all the
 stuff for gnome and kde as I will never use them.
 
 It appeared to me that the fonts could be straightened out when
 everything else is working.  I think the Handbook has a section on
 adding fonts.
 
 While looking for the xorg-minimal that I installed I found a bunch of
 nVidea drivers in the same directory.  Do you think I should install
 them now or wait.


For x11/xorg-minimal installation you issued the command:

make install or make install VIDEO_DRIVER=your_video_driver ?

Without the mention of the driver it installs the vesa driver only.
This is sub-optimal, an options screen with all existing drivers should
be proposed.

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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-22 Thread Tijl Coosemans
On Sunday 22 August 2010 06:22:48 Fred Boatwright wrote:
 Eitan Adler wrote:
 The actual problem I am having is that startx produces only a completely
 black screen.  Xorg -config xorg.conf.new -retro  produces the expected
 grid and mouse pointer. Â A .xinitrc file is supposed to start a window
 manager.

 Modern X.org installs don't show a default window manager (so a black
 screen is expected). What is the contents of your .xinitrc file?
 
 The .xinitrc file:
  xrdb
  xsetroot -solid gray 
  xterm -geometry +0-100 
  xconsole -geometry -0+0 -fn 5x7 
 #exec olvwm   #complained about a missing font
  exec fvwm
 
 I have also tried twm.
 This file was generated from an example in the Handbook.

Check if you actually have those programs installed. If not, you need
to install these ports: x11/xrdb, x11/xsetroot, x11/xterm, x11/xconsole,
x11-wm/fvwm.


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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-22 Thread Jerry
On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 21:22:40 -0600 (MDT)
Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com articulated:

 Those would be the nVidia binary drivers.  There's also 
 x11-drivers/xf86-video-nv.  I avoid nVidia cards, so someone else
 will have to comment on those.

I came to this party late, so please excuse me if this has been
discussed.

1) Ha the user installed the latest nVidia driver from ports:

Port:   nvidia-driver-195.36.15
Path:   /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver
Info:   NVidia graphics card binary drivers for hardware OpenGL rendering

And it accompanying utilities:

Port:   nvidia-settings-195.36.31
Path:   /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-settings
Info:   Display Control Panel for X NVidia driver

Port:   nvidia-xconfig-195.36.31
Path:   /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-xconfig
Info:   Tool to manipulate X configuration files for the NVidia driver

And installed a line in the /boot/loader.conf file for this driver:

nvidia_load=YES   # nVidia video driver

2) After doing the above, if not done previously, reboot the
system.

3) Move to the /etc/X11 directory and run as root: nvidia-xconfig
The man nvidia-xconfig file will supply all the details. You really
should not run it with any command line arguments the first time.

4) Now start 'xorg and run as root: nvidia-settings. That should
complete the process. You may have to reload 'xorg' for all settings to
take affect. Please see man nvidia-settings for full details.

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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-22 Thread Fred Boatwright
Marc Fonvieille wrote:
 
 On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 07:41:49PM -0700, Fred Boatwright wrote:
  Warren Block wrote:
  
   On Sat, 21 Aug 2010, Warren Block wrote:
  
Log file is at http://wonkity.com/~wblock/tmp/Xorg.0.log
  
   First notes:
  
   You're running the old version of X, 1.6.1.
  
   Something odd is going on with some of the fonts.
 
  I installed ports/x11/xorg-minimal as the full Monty appeared to be a
  huge amount of software that will never get used.  I don't want all the
  stuff for gnome and kde as I will never use them.
 
  It appeared to me that the fonts could be straightened out when
  everything else is working.  I think the Handbook has a section on
  adding fonts.
 
  While looking for the xorg-minimal that I installed I found a bunch of
  nVidea drivers in the same directory.  Do you think I should install
  them now or wait.
 
 
 For x11/xorg-minimal installation you issued the command:
 
 make install or make install VIDEO_DRIVER=your_video_driver ?
 
 Without the mention of the driver it installs the vesa driver only.
 This is sub-optimal, an options screen with all existing drivers should
 be proposed.
 
 --
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I used make install as I had no way of knowing that additional drivers
could be selected.  Perhaps that should be an option to the sysinstall
program when FBSD is initially being installed.

Best regards,
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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-22 Thread Fred Boatwright
Tijl Coosemans wrote:
 
 On Sunday 22 August 2010 06:22:48 Fred Boatwright wrote:
  Eitan Adler wrote:
  The actual problem I am having is that startx produces only a completely
  black screen.  Xorg -config xorg.conf.new -retro  produces the expected
  grid and mouse pointer. Â A .xinitrc file is supposed to start a window
  manager.
 
  Modern X.org installs don't show a default window manager (so a black
  screen is expected). What is the contents of your .xinitrc file?
 
  The .xinitrc file:
   xrdb
   xsetroot -solid gray 
   xterm -geometry +0-100 
   xconsole -geometry -0+0 -fn 5x7 
  #exec olvwm   #complained about a missing font
   exec fvwm
 
  I have also tried twm.
  This file was generated from an example in the Handbook.
 
 Check if you actually have those programs installed. If not, you need
 to install these ports: x11/xrdb, x11/xsetroot, x11/xterm, x11/xconsole,
 x11-wm/fvwm.
 

Those programs are actually installed.

Best regards,
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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-22 Thread Fred Boatwright
Jerry wrote:
 
 On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 21:22:40 -0600 (MDT)
 Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com articulated:
 
  Those would be the nVidia binary drivers.  There's also
  x11-drivers/xf86-video-nv.  I avoid nVidia cards, so someone else
  will have to comment on those.
 
 I came to this party late, so please excuse me if this has been
 discussed.
 
 1) Ha the user installed the latest nVidia driver from ports:
 
 Port:   nvidia-driver-195.36.15
 Path:   /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver
 Info:   NVidia graphics card binary drivers for hardware OpenGL rendering
 
 And it accompanying utilities:
 
 Port:   nvidia-settings-195.36.31
 Path:   /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-settings
 Info:   Display Control Panel for X NVidia driver
 
 Port:   nvidia-xconfig-195.36.31
 Path:   /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-xconfig
 Info:   Tool to manipulate X configuration files for the NVidia driver
 
 And installed a line in the /boot/loader.conf file for this driver:
 
 nvidia_load=YES   # nVidia video driver
 
 2) After doing the above, if not done previously, reboot the
 system.
 
 3) Move to the /etc/X11 directory and run as root: nvidia-xconfig
 The man nvidia-xconfig file will supply all the details. You really
 should not run it with any command line arguments the first time.
 
 4) Now start 'xorg and run as root: nvidia-settings. That should
 complete the process. You may have to reload 'xorg' for all settings to
 take affect. Please see man nvidia-settings for full details.
 
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Hi Jerry,
I do not have the driver you suggest on the CD.  I have:
nividia-driver
nividia-driver-173
nividia-driver-71
nividia-driver-96
Which should be used?  I was not able to find the version you mentioned
with the freebsd website ports search function.

Since Xorg -config xorg.conf.new -retro works then I think the default
vesa driver should work until the other problems are sorted out.

Best regards,
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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-22 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 07:42:35 -0700
Fred Boatwright f...@blakemfg.com articulated:

 Hi Jerry,
 I do not have the driver you suggest on the CD.  I have:
 nividia-driver
 nividia-driver-173
 nividia-driver-71
 nividia-driver-96
 Which should be used?  I was not able to find the version you
 mentioned with the freebsd website ports search function

First, update your ports tree. This is what you are looking for:

Port:   nvidia-driver-195.36.15
Path:   /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver
Info:   NVidia graphics card binary drivers for hardware OpenGL rendering

Al;l of the relevant paths, etc. were in the first post I sent
regarding this matter. The 173 and other drivers are deprecated and
should probably be avoided. If you have one of them installed, do a
make_deinstall -dfv nvidia*   first before attempting to install the
new drive and utilities.

If you are still experiencing problems, post back.

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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-22 Thread Tijl Coosemans
On Sunday 22 August 2010 06:22:48 Fred Boatwright wrote:
 The .xinitrc file:
  xrdb
  xsetroot -solid gray 
  xterm -geometry +0-100 
  xconsole -geometry -0+0 -fn 5x7 
 #exec olvwm   #complained about a missing font
  exec fvwm

Is this file executable?


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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-22 Thread Frank Shute
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 07:19:36PM +0200, Tijl Coosemans wrote:

 On Sunday 22 August 2010 06:22:48 Fred Boatwright wrote:
  The .xinitrc file:
   xrdb
   xsetroot -solid gray 
   xterm -geometry +0-100 
   xconsole -geometry -0+0 -fn 5x7 
  #exec olvwm   #complained about a missing font
   exec fvwm
 
 Is this file executable?

It doesn't have to be executable but xrdb needs arguments or it just
waits for input.

My suggestion to Fred: drop the xrdb line in his ~/.xinitrc


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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-22 Thread Fred Boatwright
Frank Shute wrote:
 
 On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 07:19:36PM +0200, Tijl Coosemans wrote:
 
  On Sunday 22 August 2010 06:22:48 Fred Boatwright wrote:
   The .xinitrc file:
xrdb
xsetroot -solid gray 
xterm -geometry +0-100 
xconsole -geometry -0+0 -fn 5x7 
   #exec olvwm   #complained about a missing font
exec fvwm
 
  Is this file executable?
 
 It doesn't have to be executable but xrdb needs arguments or it just
 waits for input.
 
 My suggestion to Fred: drop the xrdb line in his ~/.xinitrc
 
 Regards,
 
 --
 
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  Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html

Well, some progress has been made!  The .xinitrc file is not executable.
I found the file on my Sun running Solaris 2.6.  That file also does not
have execute permissions but it has #!/bin/sh at the beginning. 
However, that doesn't appear to be needed under FBSD.  I tried an empty
.Xresources file but that didn't make any difference.  Commenting out
the xrdb does allow the window manager to start.

The .xinitrc file was generated from an example in the man page for
xinit, not the Handbook as I earlier stated.

So, I can move forward again.  Thank you very much for the help.

Best regards,
Fred
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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-21 Thread Fred Boatwright
Warren Block wrote:
 
 On Fri, 20 Aug 2010, Fred Boatwright wrote:
 
  I am having trouble setting up X similar to a previous posting.  I have
  a new 8.0 installation.
 
  Using the Handbook chapter suggested below I waas able to generate and
  edit an xorg.conf file.  It tests ok.  I generated a .xinitrc file based
  on an example in the Handbook.  When a user runs startx the screen
  completely blanks out.  It is possible to return to the command line
  prompt with ctrl-alt-F1 and then ^c.  No errors are listed.  Where would
  I look for the problem?
 
 [please don't top-post, it makes responding more difficult]
 
 Could you show your .xinitrc?  Also, the xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log are
 often useful.  Links to those files may be easier to post than the files
 themselves.
 
 When you say the screen is completely blank--is there a mouse pointer?

Hello,
The screen is completely black. No mouse pointer.  When the xorg.conf
file is tested using Xorg -conf xorg.conf.new -retro I get the gray grid
and the X mouse pointer.  Without the -retro I get a totally black
screen, no mouse pointer.

.xinitrc
xrdb
xsetroot -solid gray 
xterm -geometry +0-100 
xconsole -geometry -0+0 -fn 5x7 
#exec olvwm   #complained about a missing font
exec fvwm

xorg.conf
Section ServerLayout
Identifier X.org Configured
Screen  0  Screen0 0 0
InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer
InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard
EndSection

Section Files
ModulePath   /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules
FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/
FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/
FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF
FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/
FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/
FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/
EndSection

Section Module
Load  extmod
Load  record
Load  dbe
Load  glx
Load  dri
Load  dri2
EndSection

Section InputDevice
Identifier  Keyboard0
Driver  kbd
EndSection

Section InputDevice
Identifier  Mouse0
Driver  mouse
Option  Protocol auto
Option  Device /dev/sysmouse
Option  ZAxisMapping 4 5 6 7
EndSection

Section Monitor
Identifier   Monitor0
VendorName   HP
ModelName2009
ModeLine 1600x900 108.0 1600 1624 1704 1800 900 901 904 1000
Option   DPMS
EndSection

Section Device
### Available Driver options are:-
### Values: i: integer, f: float, bool: True/False,
### string: String, freq: f Hz/kHz/MHz
### [arg]: arg optional
#Option ShadowFB  # [bool]
#Option DefaultRefresh# [bool]
#Option ModeSetClearScreen# [bool]
Identifier  Card0
Driver  vesa
VendorName  nVidia Corporation
BoardName   NV44 [GeForce 6200 A-LE]
BusID   PCI:1:0:0
EndSection

Section Screen
Identifier Screen0
Device Card0
MonitorMonitor0
DefaultDepth  24
#   SubSection Display
#   Viewport   0 0
#   Depth 1
#   EndSubSection
#   SubSection Display
#   Viewport   0 0
#   Depth 4
#   EndSubSection
#   SubSection Display
#   Viewport   0 0
#   Depth 8
#   EndSubSection
#   SubSection Display
#   Viewport   0 0
#   Depth 15
#   EndSubSection
#   SubSection Display
#   Viewport   0 0
#   Depth 16
#   EndSubSection
SubSection Display
Viewport   0 0
Depth 24
Modes 1600x900
EndSubSection
EndSection


Is there is somewhere I can park the log file that you would have access
to?  I don't know of any way to provide a link to it here.

The log file has warnings that mouse and keyboard are disabled and other
places where mouse and keyboard are enabled.  However, in the test the
mouse works and the keyboard must work as I can return to the command
line prompt.  I just don't have video.

The log file says: (--) using VT number 9.  This does not exist in
/etc/ttys and I didn't find anywhere in the Handbook chapter that says
it needs to be added.

The log file generated by Xorg -configure appears to have everything
there is to know about the monitor being used.  These values were
manually put in the xorg.conf file.  However, the log file says:
(II) VESA(0): Not using mode 1600x900 (no mode of this name)
However, the xorg.conf test did work.

Best regards,
Fred
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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-21 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 21/08/2010 18:13:09, Fred Boatwright wrote:
 The screen is completely black. No mouse pointer.  When the xorg.conf
 file is tested using Xorg -conf xorg.conf.new -retro I get the gray grid
 and the X mouse pointer.  Without the -retro I get a totally black
 screen, no mouse pointer.

Um yes.  That's what the '-retro' flag does: reintroduce the grid
pattern etc. that lets you confirm X is responsive, rather than the new
and really not at all improved behaviour of just throwing up a black
screen which is remarkably similar to some common failure modes.

Try starting up a window manager or similar.  It might be that nothing
at all is actually wrong...

Cheers,

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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-21 Thread Warren Block

On Sat, 21 Aug 2010, Fred Boatwright wrote:


.xinitrc
xrdb
xsetroot -solid gray 
xterm -geometry +0-100 
xconsole -geometry -0+0 -fn 5x7 
#exec olvwm   #complained about a missing font
exec fvwm


Before trying a different window manager, try good old twm.


xorg.conf
Section ServerLayout
Identifier X.org Configured
Screen  0  Screen0 0 0
InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer
InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard
EndSection


If you're running hal, those InputDevice sections aren't needed.


Section InputDevice
Identifier  Keyboard0
Driver  kbd
EndSection

Section InputDevice
Identifier  Mouse0
Driver  mouse
Option  Protocol auto
Option  Device /dev/sysmouse
Option  ZAxisMapping 4 5 6 7
EndSection


These InputDevice definitions are also unnecessary with hal.


Section Monitor
Identifier   Monitor0
VendorName   HP
ModelName2009
ModeLine 1600x900 108.0 1600 1624 1704 1800 900 901 904 1000
Option   DPMS
EndSection


Modelines are... well, avoid them unless they are required.


Section Device
   ### Available Driver options are:-
   ### Values: i: integer, f: float, bool: True/False,
   ### string: String, freq: f Hz/kHz/MHz
   ### [arg]: arg optional
   #Option ShadowFB # [bool]
   #Option DefaultRefresh   # [bool]
   #Option ModeSetClearScreen   # [bool]
Identifier  Card0
Driver  vesa
VendorName  nVidia Corporation
BoardName   NV44 [GeForce 6200 A-LE]
BusID   PCI:1:0:0
EndSection


The nVidia driver should produce better results than vesa.


Section Screen
Identifier Screen0
Device Card0
MonitorMonitor0
DefaultDepth  24
SubSection Display
Viewport   0 0
Depth 24
Modes 1600x900
EndSubSection
EndSection


Finally, starting with a more common resolution like 1024x768 may help. 
Get it working first, then polish one thing at a time so you can tell 
what works.



Is there is somewhere I can park the log file that you would have access
to?  I don't know of any way to provide a link to it here.


http://pastebin.com/ is popular.


The log file says: (--) using VT number 9.  This does not exist in
/etc/ttys and I didn't find anywhere in the Handbook chapter that says
it needs to be added.


xorg creates it automatically.  It's the alt-F9 to switch from console 
to X.



The log file generated by Xorg -configure appears to have everything
there is to know about the monitor being used.  These values were
manually put in the xorg.conf file.  However, the log file says:
(II) VESA(0): Not using mode 1600x900 (no mode of this name)
However, the xorg.conf test did work.


vesa may not be able to handle that resolution.  1024x768 is a safe 
starting value.

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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-21 Thread Fred Boatwright
Hi Matthew,

The .xinitrc file starts fvwm.  I have not found any error message that
would indicate fvwm is not running.

One of the common failure modes you mention is probably what I have!

Best regards,
Fred

Matthew Seaman wrote:
 
 On 21/08/2010 18:13:09, Fred Boatwright wrote:
  The screen is completely black. No mouse pointer.  When the xorg.conf
  file is tested using Xorg -conf xorg.conf.new -retro I get the gray grid
  and the X mouse pointer.  Without the -retro I get a totally black
  screen, no mouse pointer.
 
 Um yes.  That's what the '-retro' flag does: reintroduce the grid
 pattern etc. that lets you confirm X is responsive, rather than the new
 and really not at all improved behaviour of just throwing up a black
 screen which is remarkably similar to some common failure modes.
 
 Try starting up a window manager or similar.  It might be that nothing
 at all is actually wrong...
 
 Cheers,
 
 Matthew
 
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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-21 Thread Fred Boatwright
Warren Block wrote:
 
 On Sat, 21 Aug 2010, Fred Boatwright wrote:
 
  .xinitrc
  xrdb
  xsetroot -solid gray 
  xterm -geometry +0-100 
  xconsole -geometry -0+0 -fn 5x7 
  #exec olvwm   #complained about a missing font
  exec fvwm
 
 Before trying a different window manager, try good old twm.
 
  xorg.conf
  Section ServerLayout
Identifier X.org Configured
Screen  0  Screen0 0 0
InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer
InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard
  EndSection
 
 If you're running hal, those InputDevice sections aren't needed.
 
  Section InputDevice
Identifier  Keyboard0
Driver  kbd
  EndSection
 
  Section InputDevice
Identifier  Mouse0
Driver  mouse
Option  Protocol auto
Option  Device /dev/sysmouse
Option  ZAxisMapping 4 5 6 7
  EndSection
 
 These InputDevice definitions are also unnecessary with hal.
 
  Section Monitor
Identifier   Monitor0
VendorName   HP
ModelName2009
ModeLine 1600x900 108.0 1600 1624 1704 1800 900 901 904 1000
Option   DPMS
  EndSection
 
 Modelines are... well, avoid them unless they are required.
 
  Section Device
 ### Available Driver options are:-
 ### Values: i: integer, f: float, bool: True/False,
 ### string: String, freq: f Hz/kHz/MHz
 ### [arg]: arg optional
 #Option ShadowFB # [bool]
 #Option DefaultRefresh   # [bool]
 #Option ModeSetClearScreen   # [bool]
Identifier  Card0
Driver  vesa
VendorName  nVidia Corporation
BoardName   NV44 [GeForce 6200 A-LE]
BusID   PCI:1:0:0
  EndSection
 
 The nVidia driver should produce better results than vesa.
 
  Section Screen
Identifier Screen0
Device Card0
MonitorMonitor0
DefaultDepth  24
SubSection Display
Viewport   0 0
Depth 24
Modes 1600x900
EndSubSection
  EndSection
 
 Finally, starting with a more common resolution like 1024x768 may help.
 Get it working first, then polish one thing at a time so you can tell
 what works.
 
  Is there is somewhere I can park the log file that you would have access
  to?  I don't know of any way to provide a link to it here.
 
 http://pastebin.com/ is popular.
 
  The log file says: (--) using VT number 9.  This does not exist in
  /etc/ttys and I didn't find anywhere in the Handbook chapter that says
  it needs to be added.
 
 xorg creates it automatically.  It's the alt-F9 to switch from console
 to X.
 
  The log file generated by Xorg -configure appears to have everything
  there is to know about the monitor being used.  These values were
  manually put in the xorg.conf file.  However, the log file says:
  (II) VESA(0): Not using mode 1600x900 (no mode of this name)
  However, the xorg.conf test did work.
 
 vesa may not be able to handle that resolution.  1024x768 is a safe
 starting value.

Hello Warren,
I installed twm and changed .xinitrc to run it.

I commented out the sections of xorg.conf that you suggested and changed
the resolution.

I changed the driver from vesa to nVidia but the nVidia driver could not
be found and X exited.  After restoring vesa I ran the test on xorg.conf
-retro and it worked ok.  However, startx still produced only a black
screen.

I was not able to make heads or tails out of the pastebin.com site. 
Until FBSD X is working on the pc I have to use Netscape 4.79 on a Sun
running Solaris 2.6 (which I would prefer to keep using if only a modern
browser was available).  Netscape doesn't work on most web sites
anymore.  Is there someplace I could ftp or email the log file?

Best regards,
Fred
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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-21 Thread Warren Block

On Sat, 21 Aug 2010, Fred Boatwright wrote:


I installed twm and changed .xinitrc to run it.


twm should have been part of the xorg install already.


I commented out the sections of xorg.conf that you suggested and changed
the resolution.

I changed the driver from vesa to nVidia but the nVidia driver could not
be found and X exited.  After restoring vesa I ran the test on xorg.conf
-retro and it worked ok.  However, startx still produced only a black
screen.


nVidia is a long story.  There are binary drivers provided by nVidia, 
and there's a limited open-source driver provided by xorg.  Someone else 
is going to have to provide detail.


For now, vesa at 1024x768 should be fine.


I was not able to make heads or tails out of the pastebin.com site.
Until FBSD X is working on the pc I have to use Netscape 4.79 on a Sun
running Solaris 2.6 (which I would prefer to keep using if only a modern
browser was available).  Netscape doesn't work on most web sites
anymore.  Is there someplace I could ftp or email the log file?


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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-21 Thread Glen Barber
On 8/21/10 7:12 PM, Warren Block wrote:
 I changed the driver from vesa to nVidia but the nVidia driver could not
 be found and X exited.  After restoring vesa I ran the test on xorg.conf
 -retro and it worked ok.  However, startx still produced only a black
 screen.
 
 nVidia is a long story.  There are binary drivers provided by nVidia,
 and there's a limited open-source driver provided by xorg.  Someone else
 is going to have to provide detail.
 
 For now, vesa at 1024x768 should be fine.

Just curious - why are you using vesa instead of nv (not nVidia)?

Regards,

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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-21 Thread Warren Block

Log file is at http://wonkity.com/~wblock/tmp/Xorg.0.log
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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-21 Thread Fred Boatwright
Glen Barber wrote:
 
 On 8/21/10 7:12 PM, Warren Block wrote:
  I changed the driver from vesa to nVidia but the nVidia driver could not
  be found and X exited.  After restoring vesa I ran the test on xorg.conf
  -retro and it worked ok.  However, startx still produced only a black
  screen.
 
  nVidia is a long story.  There are binary drivers provided by nVidia,
  and there's a limited open-source driver provided by xorg.  Someone else
  is going to have to provide detail.
 
  For now, vesa at 1024x768 should be fine.
 
 Just curious - why are you using vesa instead of nv (not nVidia)?
 
 Regards,
 
 --
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Glen,
Vesa is what Xorg -configure  comes up with.  Should the nVidia driver
name be nv?

Best regards,
Fred
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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-21 Thread Warren Block

On Sat, 21 Aug 2010, Warren Block wrote:


Log file is at http://wonkity.com/~wblock/tmp/Xorg.0.log


First notes:

You're running the old version of X, 1.6.1.

Something odd is going on with some of the fonts.
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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-21 Thread Fred Boatwright
Warren Block wrote:
 
 On Sat, 21 Aug 2010, Warren Block wrote:
 
  Log file is at http://wonkity.com/~wblock/tmp/Xorg.0.log
 
 First notes:
 
 You're running the old version of X, 1.6.1.
 
 Something odd is going on with some of the fonts.

I installed ports/x11/xorg-minimal as the full Monty appeared to be a
huge amount of software that will never get used.  I don't want all the
stuff for gnome and kde as I will never use them.

It appeared to me that the fonts could be straightened out when
everything else is working.  I think the Handbook has a section on
adding fonts.

While looking for the xorg-minimal that I installed I found a bunch of
nVidea drivers in the same directory.  Do you think I should install
them now or wait.

Fred
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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-21 Thread Warren Block

On Sat, 21 Aug 2010, Fred Boatwright wrote:


Warren Block wrote:


On Sat, 21 Aug 2010, Warren Block wrote:


Log file is at http://wonkity.com/~wblock/tmp/Xorg.0.log


First notes:

You're running the old version of X, 1.6.1.

Something odd is going on with some of the fonts.


I installed ports/x11/xorg-minimal as the full Monty appeared to be a
huge amount of software that will never get used.  I don't want all the
stuff for gnome and kde as I will never use them.


The nice thing about the full xorg is that you get a known set of stuff, 
like twm.  At worst, you could deinstall xorg-minimal and install xorg.



It appeared to me that the fonts could be straightened out when
everything else is working.  I think the Handbook has a section on
adding fonts.


Yes, it doesn't look like a serious problem.


While looking for the xorg-minimal that I installed I found a bunch of
nVidea drivers in the same directory.  Do you think I should install
them now or wait.


Those would be the nVidia binary drivers.  There's also 
x11-drivers/xf86-video-nv.  I avoid nVidia cards, so someone else will 
have to comment on those.



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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-21 Thread Fred Boatwright
Eitan Adler wrote:
 
  Something odd is going on with some of the fonts.
 
  I installed ports/x11/xorg-minimal as the full Monty appeared to be a
  huge amount of software that will never get used. Â I don't want all the
  stuff for gnome and kde as I will never use them.
 
  It appeared to me that the fonts could be straightened out when
  everything else is working. Â I think the Handbook has a section on
  adding fonts.
 
 
 Hi,
 I'm the maintainer of x11/xorg-minimal. I have not been following this thread.
 
 Did you have problems with fonts when installing x11/xorg-minimal ?
 
 --
 Eitan Adler

Hi Eitan,
The Xorg.0.log file shows it can't find some expected fonts.  The file
is at
http://wonkity.com/~wblock/tmp/Xorg.0.log
The actual problem I am having is that startx produces only a completely
black screen.  Xorg -config xorg.conf.new -retro  produces the expected
grid and mouse pointer.  A .xinitrc file is supposed to start a window
manager.

Best regards,
Fred
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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-21 Thread Eitan Adler
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Fred Boatwright f...@blakemfg.com wrote:
 Eitan Adler wrote:

  Something odd is going on with some of the fonts.
 
  I installed ports/x11/xorg-minimal as the full Monty appeared to be a
  huge amount of software that will never get used. Ā I don't want all the
  stuff for gnome and kde as I will never use them.
 
  It appeared to me that the fonts could be straightened out when
  everything else is working. Ā I think the Handbook has a section on
  adding fonts.
 

 Hi,
 I'm the maintainer of x11/xorg-minimal. I have not been following this 
 thread.

 Did you have problems with fonts when installing x11/xorg-minimal ?

 --
 Eitan Adler

 Hi Eitan,
 The Xorg.0.log file shows it can't find some expected fonts.  The file
 is at
 http://wonkity.com/~wblock/tmp/Xorg.0.log

These are harmless. X.org will work without them which is why I didn't
depend on them on x11/xorg-minimal

 The actual problem I am having is that startx produces only a completely
 black screen.  Xorg -config xorg.conf.new -retro  produces the expected
 grid and mouse pointer.  A .xinitrc file is supposed to start a window
 manager.
Modern X.org installs don't show a default window manager (so a black
screen is expected). What is the contents of your .xinitrc file?


 Best regards,
 Fred







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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-21 Thread Fred Boatwright
Eitan Adler wrote:
 
 On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Fred Boatwright f...@blakemfg.com wrote:
  Eitan Adler wrote:
 
   Something odd is going on with some of the fonts.
  
   I installed ports/x11/xorg-minimal as the full Monty appeared to be a
   huge amount of software that will never get used. Ä? I don't want all the
   stuff for gnome and kde as I will never use them.
  
   It appeared to me that the fonts could be straightened out when
   everything else is working. Ä? I think the Handbook has a section on
   adding fonts.
  
 
  Hi,
  I'm the maintainer of x11/xorg-minimal. I have not been following this 
  thread.
 
  Did you have problems with fonts when installing x11/xorg-minimal ?
 
  --
  Eitan Adler
 
  Hi Eitan,
  The Xorg.0.log file shows it can't find some expected fonts. Â The file
  is at
  http://wonkity.com/~wblock/tmp/Xorg.0.log
 
 These are harmless. X.org will work without them which is why I didn't
 depend on them on x11/xorg-minimal
 
  The actual problem I am having is that startx produces only a completely
  black screen.  Xorg -config xorg.conf.new -retro  produces the expected
  grid and mouse pointer. Â A .xinitrc file is supposed to start a window
  manager.
 Modern X.org installs don't show a default window manager (so a black
 screen is expected). What is the contents of your .xinitrc file?
 
 
  Best regards,
  Fred
 
 
 --
 Eitan Adler

The .xinitrc file:
 xrdb
 xsetroot -solid gray 
 xterm -geometry +0-100 
 xconsole -geometry -0+0 -fn 5x7 
#exec olvwm   #complained about a missing font
 exec fvwm

I have also tried twm.
This file was generated from an example in the Handbook.  I don't
understand why xterm and xconsole are to be started before the window
manager.

Best regards,
Fred
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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-20 Thread Thomas Mueller
 Finally got motivated to put together a little writeup on this:

 http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/aei.html
 
This writeup will give me options to experiment with and see which works when 
I'm back in FreeBSD, am in Linux (Slackware 13.0) now.

I think I tried other things besides AllowEmptyInput without success but will 
look again.

There was nothing regarding hald in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (Linux), and there is no 
/etc/rc.conf (maybe in other Linux distributions?)

I found hald called in /etc/rc.d/rc.hald which is called by /etc/rc.d/rc.M

I found D-Bus called in /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus which is also called by 
/etc/rc.d/rc.M

I think the M in rc.M means multiuser.

Using HAL (hald) seems much more logical than not using HAL.

Tom
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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-20 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 09:22:44 +, Thomas Mueller 
mueller6...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 This writeup will give me options to experiment with and see which
 works when I'm back in FreeBSD, am in Linux (Slackware 13.0) now.

Personally, I went the way with compiling X without HAL and DBUS,
as I have no need for it. This keeps X in a kind of old-fashioned
working state.



 There was nothing regarding hald in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (Linux),

That's correct. The integration of HAL and DBUS is done at compile
time, as defined by make config for the X port.



 and there is no /etc/rc.conf (maybe in other Linux distributions?)

Not even /etc/rc.config? Oh no wait, that was S.u.S.E. Linux. :-)



 I found hald called in /etc/rc.d/rc.hald which is called by
 /etc/rc.d/rc.M

In FreeBSD, this equals a similar mechanism in /usr/local/etc/rc.d,
with an invoking setting in /etc/rc.conf or /etc/rc.conf.local.



 I think the M in rc.M means multiuser.

As far as I remember - I'm not a Linux user anymore - the M refers
to one of the various runlevels. M can indeed be refering to multi-
user runlevel...



 Using HAL (hald) seems much more logical than not using HAL.

If you have need for it, sure. There are several programs that rely
on it (as well as on DBUS), and it can detect mouse and keyboard.
I've tried X with HAL and DBUS on another system, and it seems to
work.

A downside is this: If you live in a country that is not US or GB,
you usually want to have a localized keyboard, like the german
layout in my case. This isn't selected in xorg.conf anymore, so
you have to change settings for HAL and PolicyKit, this means you
will have to manually edit XML files. No big deal, really, but
a bit sad, as central control mechanisms are moved out of xorg.conf
and scattered through many files arbitrarily placed in /usr/local.
But really, it's not THAT hard; I tried this on the testing system
mentioned before, and as soon as you got keyboard, permissions
and so on configured, it works.

But finally, let me say that I don't trust all this autodetect
stuff, as it usually does not work on *my* hardware, which simply
is too old. I like to have control in ONE place, for ALL the
relevant settings, and I hate to have to use xrandr just to 
convince X.org to run in a mode that XFree86 did out of the box.

It's still nice that you are not FORCED to use HAL and DBUS, and
if I remember correctly, one of them (or both?) are already being
obsoleted by something different that spreads in Linux right now.


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Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-20 Thread Fred Boatwright
Hello,

I am having trouble setting up X similar to a previous posting.  I have
a new 8.0 installation.

Using the Handbook chapter suggested below I waas able to generate and
edit an xorg.conf file.  It tests ok.  I generated a .xinitrc file based
on an example in the Handbook.  When a user runs startx the screen
completely blanks out.  It is possible to return to the command line
prompt with ctrl-alt-F1 and then ^c.  No errors are listed.  Where would
I look for the problem?

Best regards,
Fred

Warren Block wrote:
 
 On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Ondrej Majerech wrote:
 
  On 19-Aug-10 13:20, Rem Roberti wrote:
  I'm having trouble with xorg on a new 8.1 installation.  I haven't
  installed a wm yet, but when I try to call up the generic x windows by
  typing startx they do indeed appear, but all three of the x windows
  are locked up. By that I mean that there is no mouse, and no possibility
  of entering data in the windows via the keyboard. Totally frozen. And
  you can't get out of x in the usual manner i.e. ctrl-alt-backspace. The
  only thing that works is ctrl-alt-del which, of course, reboots the
  computer. Any ideas are appreciated.
 
 The Handbook chapter describes what to do:
 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-config.html
 
  New Xorg requires HAL and Dbus to recognize input devices by default. Do
  you have these enabled?
 
  Alternatively, you revert to the old, no-HAL method by adding
 
  Option AutoAddDevices False
 
 Yes.
 
  Option AllowEmptyInput False
 
 No.  Please don't use that, it's not necessary and sometimes causes
 problems.  AutoAddDevices Off by itself disables hal input device
 detection.
 
  into your ServerFlags in xorg.conf.
 
 Or just put them in ServerLayout.
 
  You might also want to add Option DontZap false into the same section as
  well to have Ctrl-Alt-Backspace working again.
 
 I think that DontZap is back to the default, but it's now the key
 combination that is unset, so setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
 is the way to fix it.  But it's been a while since I've needed to kill
 X manually, so haven't tried it lately.
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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-20 Thread Warren Block

On Fri, 20 Aug 2010, Fred Boatwright wrote:


I am having trouble setting up X similar to a previous posting.  I have
a new 8.0 installation.

Using the Handbook chapter suggested below I waas able to generate and
edit an xorg.conf file.  It tests ok.  I generated a .xinitrc file based
on an example in the Handbook.  When a user runs startx the screen
completely blanks out.  It is possible to return to the command line
prompt with ctrl-alt-F1 and then ^c.  No errors are listed.  Where would
I look for the problem?


[please don't top-post, it makes responding more difficult]

Could you show your .xinitrc?  Also, the xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log are 
often useful.  Links to those files may be easier to post than the files 
themselves.


When you say the screen is completely blank--is there a mouse pointer?
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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-19 Thread Tamas Szakaly
My guess: the windows are not locked, they just don't receive any input, 
because X does not see your mouse and keyboard. Make sure that hal and 
dbus are started before you start X!

toma
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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-19 Thread Joshua Isom

On 8/19/2010 6:20 AM, Rem Roberti wrote:

I'm having trouble with xorg on a new 8.1 installation.  I haven't
installed a wm yet, but when I try to call up the generic x windows by
typing startx they do indeed appear, but all three of the x windows
are locked up. By that I mean that there is no mouse, and no possibility
of entering data in the windows via the keyboard. Totally frozen. And
you can't get out of x in the usual manner i.e. ctrl-alt-backspace. The
only thing that works is ctrl-alt-del which, of course, reboots the
computer. Any ideas are appreciated.

Rem



Look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and go from there.  If something's not 
working, it's probably in there, or verbosity can be added to make it 
show up.

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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-19 Thread Thomas Mueller
 I'm having trouble with xorg on a new 8.1 installation.  I haven't installed 
 a wm yet, but when I try to call up the generic x windows by typing startx 
 they do indeed appear, but all three of the x windows are locked up.  By that 
 I mean that there is no mouse, and no possibility of entering data in the 
 windows via the keyboard.  Totally frozen.  And you can't get out of x in the 
 usual manner i.e. ctrl-alt-backspace.  The only thing that works is 
 ctrl-alt-del which, of course, reboots the computer.  Any ideas are 
 appreciated.

 Rem

I had that problem too, looked extensively for possible answers, and one that 
worked was

Option AllowEmptyInput false

Now I can't remember if it was AllowEmptyInput (no spaces) or Allow Empty 
Input but would think the former; am in Linux as I type this and didn't need 
that line in that xorg.conf .

Synonyms for false are 0 off no
Antonyms are true 1 on yes

I got Xfce 4.6.1, built from the FreeBSD meta port, to work.

I think initially startx is set to start twm, a spartan window manager that is 
included with xorg.


Tom
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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-19 Thread Warren Block

On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Ondrej Majerech wrote:


On 19-Aug-10 13:20, Rem Roberti wrote:

I'm having trouble with xorg on a new 8.1 installation.  I haven't
installed a wm yet, but when I try to call up the generic x windows by
typing startx they do indeed appear, but all three of the x windows
are locked up. By that I mean that there is no mouse, and no possibility
of entering data in the windows via the keyboard. Totally frozen. And
you can't get out of x in the usual manner i.e. ctrl-alt-backspace. The
only thing that works is ctrl-alt-del which, of course, reboots the
computer. Any ideas are appreciated.


The Handbook chapter describes what to do:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-config.html

New Xorg requires HAL and Dbus to recognize input devices by default. Do 
you have these enabled?


Alternatively, you revert to the old, no-HAL method by adding

Option AutoAddDevices False


Yes.


Option AllowEmptyInput False


No.  Please don't use that, it's not necessary and sometimes causes 
problems.  AutoAddDevices Off by itself disables hal input device 
detection.



into your ServerFlags in xorg.conf.


Or just put them in ServerLayout.

You might also want to add Option DontZap false into the same section as 
well to have Ctrl-Alt-Backspace working again.


I think that DontZap is back to the default, but it's now the key 
combination that is unset, so setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp 
is the way to fix it.  But it's been a while since I've needed to kill 
X manually, so haven't tried it lately.

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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-19 Thread Warren Block

On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Thomas Mueller wrote:


I'm having trouble with xorg on a new 8.1 installation.  I haven't installed a wm yet, 
but when I try to call up the generic x windows by typing startx they do 
indeed appear, but all three of the x windows are locked up.  By that I mean that there 
is no mouse, and no possibility of entering data in the windows via the keyboard.  
Totally frozen.  And you can't get out of x in the usual manner i.e. ctrl-alt-backspace.  
The only thing that works is ctrl-alt-del which, of course, reboots the computer.  Any 
ideas are appreciated.



Rem


I had that problem too, looked extensively for possible answers, and one that 
worked was

Option AllowEmptyInput false

Now I can't remember if it was AllowEmptyInput (no spaces) or Allow Empty 
Input but would think the former; am in Linux as I type this and didn't need that line 
in that xorg.conf .


Don't need it in FreeBSD, either.  In fact, using it in FreeBSD often 
causes hesitant input characters that only show up when you move the 
mouse.  Or a draggy mouse.  Or both.


If you want to disable hal input device detection in X, use
Option AutoAddDevices Off

AllowEmptyInput will borrow your stuff and never return it.
AllowEmptyInput will cause trouble and say it was your idea.
AllowEmptyInput cheats at cards.
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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-19 Thread Ondrej Majerech

On 08/19/2010 15:02, Warren Block wrote:

Now I can't remember if it was AllowEmptyInput (no spaces) or Allow
Empty Input but would think the former; am in Linux as I type this
and didn't need that line in that xorg.conf .


Don't need it in FreeBSD, either. In fact, using it in FreeBSD often
causes hesitant input characters that only show up when you move the
mouse. Or a draggy mouse. Or both.


And all these years I've been using AllowEmptyInput with no problems 
whatsoever. Still good to know it may cause trouble.




AllowEmptyInput will borrow your stuff and never return it.
AllowEmptyInput will cause trouble and say it was your idea.
AllowEmptyInput cheats at cards.


On a second thought, it might explain a few things that have been going 
on in my life lately...


~ Ondra
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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-19 Thread Warren Block

On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Ondrej Majerech wrote:

On 08/19/2010 15:02, Warren Block wrote:


Don't need it in FreeBSD, either. In fact, using it in FreeBSD often
causes hesitant input characters that only show up when you move the
mouse. Or a draggy mouse. Or both.


Finally got motivated to put together a little writeup on this:

http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/aei.html
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[OT] AllowEmptyInput is bad (was: Re: Xorg Problems)

2010-08-19 Thread Glen Barber
On 8/19/10 1:59 PM, Warren Block wrote:
 On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Ondrej Majerech wrote:
 On 08/19/2010 15:02, Warren Block wrote:

 Don't need it in FreeBSD, either. In fact, using it in FreeBSD often
 causes hesitant input characters that only show up when you move the
 mouse. Or a draggy mouse. Or both.
 
 Finally got motivated to put together a little writeup on this:
 
 http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/aei.html

Can we have an RSS feed for that last section? :)

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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-19 Thread b. f.
Warren Block wrote:
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Ondrej Majerech wrote:
 On 08/19/2010 15:02, Warren Block wrote:

 Don't need it in FreeBSD, either. In fact, using it in FreeBSD often
 causes hesitant input characters that only show up when you move the
 mouse. Or a draggy mouse. Or both.

Finally got motivated to put together a little writeup on this:

http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/aei.html

Isn't your summary (and your last section, despite it being
tongue-in-cheek) misleading, because it says that AllowEmptyInput is
bad, when you actually mean that it is _good_, and that _disabling_ it
in Xorg.conf is bad? Or am I missing something?

b.
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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-19 Thread Warren Block

On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, b. f. wrote:


Warren Block wrote:

On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, Ondrej Majerech wrote:

On 08/19/2010 15:02, Warren Block wrote:


Don't need it in FreeBSD, either. In fact, using it in FreeBSD often
causes hesitant input characters that only show up when you move the
mouse. Or a draggy mouse. Or both.


Finally got motivated to put together a little writeup on this:

http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/aei.html


Isn't your summary (and your last section, despite it being
tongue-in-cheek) misleading, because it says that AllowEmptyInput is
bad, when you actually mean that it is _good_, and that _disabling_ it
in Xorg.conf is bad? Or am I missing something?


Think of it as having an invisible To disable hald, using prefix.

But point taken, I'll look at elaborating.
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Xorg Problems

2010-08-18 Thread Rem Roberti
 I'm having trouble with xorg on a new 8.1 installation.  I haven't 
installed a wm yet, but when I try to call up the generic x windows by 
typing startx they do indeed appear, but all three of the x windows 
are locked up.  By that I mean that there is no mouse, and no 
possibility of entering data in the windows via the keyboard.  Totally 
frozen.  And you can't get out of x in the usual manner i.e. 
ctrl-alt-backspace.  The only thing that works is ctrl-alt-del which, of 
course, reboots the computer.  Any ideas are appreciated.


Rem
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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-18 Thread Rem Roberti

Ondrej Majerech wrote:

On 19-Aug-10 13:20, Rem Roberti wrote:

I'm having trouble with xorg on a new 8.1 installation.  I haven't
installed a wm yet, but when I try to call up the generic x windows by
typing startx they do indeed appear, but all three of the x windows
are locked up. By that I mean that there is no mouse, and no possibility
of entering data in the windows via the keyboard. Totally frozen. And
you can't get out of x in the usual manner i.e. ctrl-alt-backspace. The
only thing that works is ctrl-alt-del which, of course, reboots the
computer. Any ideas are appreciated.


New Xorg requires HAL and Dbus to recognize input devices by 
default. Do you have these enabled?


Alternatively, you revert to the old, no-HAL method by adding

Option AutoAddDevices False
Option AllowEmptyInput False

into your ServerFlags in xorg.conf.

You might also want to add Option DontZap false into the same 
section as well to have Ctrl-Alt-Backspace working again.


~ Ondra


Thank you Ondra...that did the trick.

---Rem
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Re: Xorg Problems

2010-08-18 Thread Ondrej Majerech

On 19-Aug-10 13:20, Rem Roberti wrote:

I'm having trouble with xorg on a new 8.1 installation.  I haven't
installed a wm yet, but when I try to call up the generic x windows by
typing startx they do indeed appear, but all three of the x windows
are locked up. By that I mean that there is no mouse, and no possibility
of entering data in the windows via the keyboard. Totally frozen. And
you can't get out of x in the usual manner i.e. ctrl-alt-backspace. The
only thing that works is ctrl-alt-del which, of course, reboots the
computer. Any ideas are appreciated.


New Xorg requires HAL and Dbus to recognize input devices by default. 
Do you have these enabled?


Alternatively, you revert to the old, no-HAL method by adding

Option AutoAddDevices False
Option AllowEmptyInput False

into your ServerFlags in xorg.conf.

You might also want to add Option DontZap false into the same 
section as well to have Ctrl-Alt-Backspace working again.


~ Ondra
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ibm t22 xorg problems

2007-01-22 Thread Mark Busby
I'm having problems with xorg on an IBM t22 using 6.2 freebsd. The video card 
shows to be an S3 savage, but the savage driver is broken (blank screen on 
startx) so I am using the vesa driver. It works fine untill I drop out of X, 
the screen goes blank, keyboard and mouse become unresponsive.
  I've done quite a bit of searching but have not found anything to help with 
the problem.
  I've enabled the dri option in xorg.conf as some suggest, but it does not 
help. 
  Any ideas?? 
   
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Re: Strange Xorg problems - SOLVED

2005-03-08 Thread Richard Danter
Richard Danter wrote:
Hi All,
I have a strange problem with starting Xorg after a boot on my Compaq 
Presario 1800T laptop. First time I try to startx the screen is 
corrupted, the mouse moves very slowly (if at all) and sometimes the 
only way out is to kill the window manager by SSH'ing in from a remote 
host.

What is odd is that the second time I run startx it works perfectly! 
Same for all subsequent starts, so only the very first startx after a 
boot has this problem.

Lookling through the logs I can see that there is a failure to open the 
device /dev/dri/card0 first time, but it seems to work second time.

I managed to find some references to problems with dri by googling but 
could not find any resolutions.

I have attached a dump from dmesg after starting X so you can see the 
boot and drm messages. Also attached are logs from Xorg after both a bad 
and a good start. I hope attachments are ok. One think I noticed from 
the dmesg dump is that the graphics card is detected as an ATI Rage 128 
Mobility LF, but Linux said it was an M3. Not sure if that is relevant.

I used to have RedHat Linux 7.2 and then 9 running on this machine and 
never had any problems with X, was even able to play DVD's perfectly 
using Ogle, so I am sure Xorg should work.

Does anyone know what is going on here? Have I made a mistake somewhere??
I fixed it! It was simply a matter of adding r128_load=YES to 
/boot/loader.conf.

Another newbie mistake I think. :)
Rich
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Xorg problems..

2004-12-11 Thread Stefan Moro
Hello..

I've been having some problems with Xorg under fbsd 5.3 (Production release).

While using my computer under X (xorg 6.7) it suddenly hangs.. These
crashes seems to be somewhat random. They have occurd while i'm using
firefox or valknut and performing some sort of action, pressing the
refresh button or something like that..

The only thing that the computer responds to is the mouse movements.. It
does not respond to any buttons pressed on the keybord..

When I, via ssh, logged on to the computer it showed that Xorg was using
about 98% of processor capacity..

I could reboot the computer via ssh...

Anyone got any ideas of what could cause these problems??

Any help appreciated..

//Stefan




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