Re: breakthru, maybe....
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 01:31:26PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: [snip] And for my next trick: I'm ordering a UPS. It is only for the DNS server and firefall (pfSense). I'll either refurb the current computer or buy a newer 32-bit for the firewall. I'd like suggestions on which UPS to buy. Figuring the Dell Duo and a standard Intel box, would 250w be a good enough SWAG? gary You've got a choice of buying a thick UPS or a smart UPS. The smart UPS has a cable running from a USB port and it signals the computer (running a UPS daemon) to power down after a certain period of time or after the charge in the UPS has got to some user set percentage. The thick UPS doesn't have the cable and just runs your hardware until the battery is flat or the power returns, whichever comes first. As you will have guessed, the smart UPSes are more expensive than the thick ones and they also tend to be beefier. Obviously the smart ones are more featureful but you know what your budget is. I've got an APC Smart 750VA which powers my server, router and workstation. I've also got a trailing lead plugged into it. This I use to plug in miscellaneous electrical gadgets and protect them from surges. Current load: 37% of full capacity. I run apcupsd from ports and it seems to work well. So my recommendation is to get something like mine (if you can afford it) and you can plug in other stuff and still have a reasonably long runtime. PS. They have lead acid batteries and it's best not to flatten them. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: breakthru, maybe....
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 06:34:25AM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:00:57 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 04:44:42PM -0700, Kurt Buff wrote: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ Yes! but i bought the *Intel* 2-duo-core or whatever; not the AMD (aDvanced micro Devices) chip. Are these both bit by bit == ?? i mean, exactly--software-wise, the same?? That's ok. Kurt is right. You can use the amd64 release on Intel Core2 Duo CPUs too. I believe this Wikipedia page will help a bit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64 thanks very much, sir. i'll check it out thrursday morning [local]. i really, REALLY have not paid attn to hardware devel in years. it's time! cheers, world! -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 7.31a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: breakthru, maybe....
Gary Kline wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:02:37PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:48:46 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: so: what is the URL to download the 8.0-PRE freebsd? ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ wait, i thought the duo core is 64bits. still 32? All Intel processors produced in the last few years have been 64bit capable, including anything labelled 'core2'. You need to install the amd64 architecture binaries to get the system running in 64bit mode though, even though it's an Intel chip. Likewise, all Intel and AMD processors support running in 32bit mode, and you need to install the i386 architecture binaries to achieve that, irrespective of who actually manufactured your processor chips. As to which variant you should install? For servers, I'd go 64bit pretty much automatically. For desktops, especially if you need 3D graphics performance you're somewhat limited by the support available for your graphics adapter. There are 64bit drivers for various ATI cards, but I can't tell off hand if the one you have is supported. If it is, or if you don't care about 3D graphics support, then go 64bit. Apart from anything else, 64bit-ness means you can install and use a lot more RAM, and more RAM is a relatively cheap solution to a lot of computing problems. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: breakthru, maybe....
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 6:00 AM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 04:44:42PM -0700, Kurt Buff wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 16:08, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:02:37PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:48:46 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: so: what is the URL to download the 8.0-PRE freebsd? ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ wait, i thought the duo core is 64bits. still 32? This: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ is indeed 64bit. Yes! but i bought the *Intel* 2-duo-core or whatever; not the AMD (aDvanced micro Devices) chip. Are these both bit by bit == ?? i mean, exactly--software-wise, the same?? thanks. gary ps i knew the amd was an intel clone on the 32-bit level; not sure about the 64-bit chips... . Intel licensed the AMD64 instruction set and they call it Intel 64 in their chips. Most free UNIX-like systems call the x86_64 releases AMD64 because thats the correct name for the instruction set. -- Opportunity is most often missed by people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. Thomas Alva Edison Inventor of 1093 patents, including: The light bulb, phonogram and motion pictures. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: breakthru, maybe....
Matthew Seaman writes: All Intel processors produced in the last few years have been 64bit capable, including anything labelled 'core2'. You need to install the amd64 architecture binaries to get the system running in 64bit mode though, even though it's an Intel chip. Likewise, all Intel and AMD processors support running in 32bit mode, and you need to install the i386 architecture binaries to achieve that, irrespective of who actually manufactured your processor chips. As to which variant you should install? For servers, I'd go 64bit pretty much automatically. For desktops, especially if you need 3D graphics performance you're somewhat limited by the support available for your graphics adapter. There are 64bit drivers for various ATI cards, but I can't tell off hand if the one you have is supported. If it is, or if you don't care about 3D graphics support, then go 64bit. There are alsu a ((very) small) number of ports that do not compile or do not run in 64-bit mode. Figure out if one of them is mission-critical before installing; check for the NOT_FOR_ARCH and ONLY_FOR_ARCH settings in the port's Makefile. That said, the machine I'm typing on is about six weeks old and running an AMD Phenom II x4. I installed amd64 with some trepidation, fully prepared to re-install i386. However, it's now up over 675 ports - including apache, mysql, firefox, and OpenOffice - and everything works. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: breakthru, maybe....
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 02:09:50PM +0200, Ross Cameron wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 6:00 AM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 04:44:42PM -0700, Kurt Buff wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 16:08, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:02:37PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:48:46 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: so: what is the URL to download the 8.0-PRE freebsd? ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ wait, i thought the duo core is 64bits. still 32? This: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ is indeed 64bit. Yes! but i bought the *Intel* 2-duo-core or whatever; not the AMD (aDvanced micro Devices) chip. Are these both bit by bit == ?? i mean, exactly--software-wise, the same?? thanks. gary ps i knew the amd was an intel clone on the 32-bit level; not sure about the 64-bit chips... . Intel licensed the AMD64 instruction set and they call it Intel 64 in their chips. Most free UNIX-like systems call the x86_64 releases AMD64 because thats the correct name for the instruction set. Well, I was just a bit behind the times; like four or five years. But thanks to several wiki articles, that's resolved. Nutshell is that I just finished burning the bootonly.iso. Now, if the power holds and I get the 8.0-RC2 running on the Dell, there's hope. And for my next trick: I'm ordering a UPS. It is only for the DNS server and firefall (pfSense). I'll either refurb the current computer or buy a newer 32-bit for the firewall. I'd like suggestions on which UPS to buy. Figuring the Dell Duo and a standard Intel box, would 250w be a good enough SWAG? gary -- Opportunity is most often missed by people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. Thomas Alva Edison Inventor of 1093 patents, including: The light bulb, phonogram and motion pictures. -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 7.31a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: breakthru, maybe....
Gary Kline wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 02:09:50PM +0200, Ross Cameron wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 6:00 AM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 04:44:42PM -0700, Kurt Buff wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 16:08, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:02:37PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:48:46 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: so: what is the URL to download the 8.0-PRE freebsd? ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ wait, i thought the duo core is 64bits. still 32? This: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ is indeed 64bit. Yes! but i bought the *Intel* 2-duo-core or whatever; not the AMD (aDvanced micro Devices) chip. Are these both bit by bit == ?? i mean, exactly--software-wise, the same?? thanks. gary ps i knew the amd was an intel clone on the 32-bit level; not sure about the 64-bit chips... . Intel licensed the AMD64 instruction set and they call it Intel 64 in their chips. Most free UNIX-like systems call the x86_64 releases AMD64 because thats the correct name for the instruction set. Well, I was just a bit behind the times; like four or five years. But thanks to several wiki articles, that's resolved. Nutshell is that I just finished burning the bootonly.iso. Now, if the power holds and I get the 8.0-RC2 running on the Dell, there's hope. And for my next trick: I'm ordering a UPS. It is only for the DNS server and firefall (pfSense). I'll either refurb the current computer or buy a newer 32-bit for the firewall. I'd like suggestions on which UPS to buy. Figuring the Dell Duo and a standard Intel box, would 250w be a good enough SWAG? gary -- Opportunity is most often missed by people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. Thomas Alva Edison Inventor of 1093 patents, including: The light bulb, phonogram and motion pictures. Aloha Gary, If that used computer place has UPS get a couple and get new batteries for them if they are not refurbished. I got 2 used free beacuse the batteries were dead and took out the small batteries and installed the standard 100 amp hour batteries to back up 6 servers 2 years ago. I too was having up to 10 hour power outages.Now the backup will go for at least 10 hours with no line power. We had a 6 hour outage last fall and the system kept right on working. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
breakthru, maybe....
well, i just bought a used dell for my new DNS, mail, and web server. they snickered when i asked if they would pre-install freebsd... so it's up to me. this dell was running losedows, vista, so i assume it has some kind of sound card. it has 256MN ATI X1300 PRo video. is this enough to power my new [year-old] 20.1 widescreen display? 80GB drive, so it is only a server. as well as a backup for critical audio and jpg files and stuff i don't want to lose. so: what is the URL to download the 8.0-PRE freebsd? true, i haven't had to install freebsd by-hand from CDROMs for years, but if remory servs, more than one CD is required. i DO have blank DVD-RW discs ... if we've got a DVD distro somewhere. thanks in advance, gents, gary PS: the breakthru is that i'll be doing everything with my one hand/arm. -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 7.31a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: breakthru, maybe....
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:48:46 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: this dell was running losedows, vista, so i assume it has some kind of sound card. That's an interesting conditional implication thought. :-) it has 256MN ATI X1300 PRo video. is this enough to power my new [year-old] 20.1 widescreen display? Depends on your display's dpi, but should be okay. so: what is the URL to download the 8.0-PRE freebsd? ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ true, i haven't had to install freebsd by-hand from CDROMs for years, but if remory servs, more than one CD is required. No. You can start the installation from the first CD which gives you basically the OS and some packages (e. g. Linux ABI). Everything else can be installed via ports / packages, this means via Internet. You can even use the boot only CD to start the installation, or the live FS. i DO have blank DVD-RW discs ... if we've got a DVD distro somewhere. There is a DVD available. thanks in advance, gents, Good luck! PS: the breakthru is that i'll be doing everything with my one hand/arm. Manual operations. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: breakthru, maybe....
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:02:37PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:48:46 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: this dell was running losedows, vista, so i assume it has some kind of sound card. That's an interesting conditional implication thought. :-) it has 256MN ATI X1300 PRo video. is this enough to power my new [year-old] 20.1 widescreen display? Depends on your display's dpi, but should be okay. so: what is the URL to download the 8.0-PRE freebsd? ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ wait, i thought the duo core is 64bits. still 32? true, i haven't had to install freebsd by-hand from CDROMs for years, but if remory servs, more than one CD is required. No. You can start the installation from the first CD which gives you basically the OS and some packages (e. g. Linux ABI). Everything else can be installed via ports / packages, this means via Internet. You can even use the boot only CD to start the installation, or the live FS. i DO have blank DVD-RW discs ... if we've got a DVD distro somewhere. There is a DVD available. thanks in advance, gents, Good luck! PS: the breakthru is that i'll be doing everything with my one hand/arm. Manual operations. :-) LOLOLOL. indeed, indeed thanks, Polyt. later on, gary -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 7.31a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: breakthru, maybe....
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 16:08, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:02:37PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:48:46 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: so: what is the URL to download the 8.0-PRE freebsd? ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ wait, i thought the duo core is 64bits. still 32? This: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ is indeed 64bit. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: breakthru, maybe....
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 04:44:42PM -0700, Kurt Buff wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 16:08, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:02:37PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:48:46 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: so: what is the URL to download the 8.0-PRE freebsd? ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ wait, i thought the duo core is 64bits. still 32? This: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ is indeed 64bit. Yes! but i bought the *Intel* 2-duo-core or whatever; not the AMD (aDvanced micro Devices) chip. Are these both bit by bit == ?? i mean, exactly--software-wise, the same?? thanks. gary ps i knew the amd was an intel clone on the 32-bit level; not sure about the 64-bit chips... . ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 7.31a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: breakthru, maybe....
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:00:57 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 04:44:42PM -0700, Kurt Buff wrote: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ Yes! but i bought the *Intel* 2-duo-core or whatever; not the AMD (aDvanced micro Devices) chip. Are these both bit by bit == ?? i mean, exactly--software-wise, the same?? That's ok. Kurt is right. You can use the amd64 release on Intel Core2 Duo CPUs too. I believe this Wikipedia page will help a bit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
