Re: looking for a secondary.
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 09:33:21PM -0800, Bill Campbell wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008, Gary Kline wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 09:20:59PM -0500, Matt Emmerton wrote: On Tuesday, December 16, 2008, at 02:42PM, Gary Kline well, i've certainly asked more ignorant q's, so hrer goes: what is a ``zone''? i do my own dns and have since 04/2001. thought.org is my one domain, altho i've got several virtual websites. a number of people have offered to be my secondary, something that warms me to the core. this happened once before--i needed a secondary and had to scramble. like to take care of it before something else happened! --i'm rambling, sorry. again, a Zone is? A zone file has all DNS records related to a domain. Well, then I've got one zone. (Just _thinking_ about what Cricket Liu wrote about creating different levels [in BIND AND DNS] gave me the creeps, so I skipped that.) Following the Keep It Simple Sir philosophy does have its payoffs. gary -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.17a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: looking for a secondary.
Gary Kline wrote: well, i've certainly asked more ignorant q's, so hrer goes: what is a ``zone''? i do my own dns and have since 04/2001. A zone is a group of related DNS records all under the same administrative control. 'Related' meaning they all end in the same sequence of labels. Zone boundaries are determined pretty much by delegation to another set of DNS servers. So there's a '.org' zone containing primarily the NS records for all the domains registered under .org. This is distinct from the 'thought.org' zone you control and here all the sub-entries like www.thought.org or plato.thought.org are part of the same zone. It's not an entirely cut and dried definition, but you can think of a zone as 'the chunk of the DNS space that one person controls.' thought.org is my one domain, altho i've got several virtual websites. 'domain' in DNS-speak is any sequence of labels[*] known to the DNS. So even if the DNS data is a host name, an e-mail address, the name of a whole network, a crypto key for DKIM or DNSSEC or some aggregate service name hosted across several different servers via SRV records, they're all domains. Domains can be absolute (ie. from the root of the DNS) or relative to some intermediate domain. ie. 'thought.org' is your only zone, although you've got several domains within it for virtual websites. Cheers, Matthew [*] And a 'label' is a sequence of characters not including the separator character '.' -- a domain is hence a sequence of labels joined together by '.' characters. It's conceptually like the distinction between filename and path -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
looking for a secondary.
i was recently informed that the firm that bought secondary.com is going to begin charging $100/mo. i nearly choked on that, but whatever... i'm looking for an *.org who does DNS secondaries free oe nearly so. i know there is at least one place, but it's been years. i thought i'd check here first because i'm not how to pose this as a good search. thanks, guys, gary -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.17a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: looking for a secondary.
On Tuesday, December 16, 2008, at 02:42PM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: i was recently informed that the firm that bought secondary.com is going to begin charging $100/mo. i nearly choked on that, but whatever... i'm looking for an *.org who does DNS secondaries free oe nearly so. i know there is at least one place, but it's been years. Not free, but nearly so: http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/secdns/ $17.50/year = $1.46/month... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: looking for a secondary.
On Tuesday, December 16, 2008, at 02:42PM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: i was recently informed that the firm that bought secondary.com is going to begin charging $100/mo. i nearly choked on that, but whatever... i'm looking for an *.org who does DNS secondaries free oe nearly so. i know there is at least one place, but it's been years. Not free, but nearly so: http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/secdns/ $17.50/year = $1.46/month... Other options include: http://www.backupdns.com/index.html $0.80/month/zone for a small number of zones. Or http://www.zoneedit.com They will host DNS (primary and/or secondary) for 5 zones, free of charge (subject to bandwidth). -- Matt Emmerton ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: looking for a secondary.
Matt Emmerton wrote: On Tuesday, December 16, 2008, at 02:42PM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: i was recently informed that the firm that bought secondary.com is going to begin charging $100/mo. i nearly choked on that, but whatever... i'm looking for an *.org who does DNS secondaries free oe nearly so. i know there is at least one place, but it's been years. Not free, but nearly so: http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/secdns/ $17.50/year = $1.46/month... Other options include: http://www.backupdns.com/index.html $0.80/month/zone for a small number of zones. Or http://www.zoneedit.com They will host DNS (primary and/or secondary) for 5 zones, free of charge (subject to bandwidth). -- Matt Emmerton ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Aloha Gary, We use Zone Edit for many years. Good and responsive to any issues. -- ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: looking for a secondary.
On Dec 16, 2008, at 6:42 PM, Gary Kline wrote: i was recently informed that the firm that bought secondary.com is going to begin charging $100/mo. i nearly choked on that, but whatever... i'm looking for an *.org who does DNS secondaries free oe nearly so. i know there is at least one place, but it's been years. i thought i'd check here first because i'm not how to pose this as a good search. thanks, guys, gary Gary, Check out http://www.afraid.org not only do they offer a free service they run on FreeBSD. They also have a pay service available for more advanced configurations. Cheers, Mikel King CEO, Olivent Technologies Senior Editor, Daemon News Columnist, BSD Magazine 6 Alpine Court Medford, NY 11763 http://www.olivent.com http://www.daemonnews.org http://www.bsdmag.org skype: mikel.king +--+ Yes it is true I am running for US Senate (NY). +--+ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: looking for a secondary.
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 09:20:59PM -0500, Matt Emmerton wrote: On Tuesday, December 16, 2008, at 02:42PM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: i was recently informed that the firm that bought secondary.com is going to begin charging $100/mo. i nearly choked on that, but whatever... i'm looking for an *.org who does DNS secondaries free oe nearly so. i know there is at least one place, but it's been years. Not free, but nearly so: http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/secdns/ $17.50/year = $1.46/month... Other options include: http://www.backupdns.com/index.html $0.80/month/zone for a small number of zones. Or http://www.zoneedit.com They will host DNS (primary and/or secondary) for 5 zones, free of charge (subject to bandwidth). well, i've certainly asked more ignorant q's, so hrer goes: what is a ``zone''? i do my own dns and have since 04/2001. thought.org is my one domain, altho i've got several virtual websites. a number of people have offered to be my secondary, something that warms me to the core. this happened once before--i needed a secondary and had to scramble. like to take care of it before something else happened! --i'm rambling, sorry. again, a Zone is? thanks, gary ps: $17.50 *is* reasonable, come to think of it... . -- Matt Emmerton -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.17a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: looking for a secondary.
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008, Gary Kline wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 09:20:59PM -0500, Matt Emmerton wrote: On Tuesday, December 16, 2008, at 02:42PM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: i was recently informed that the firm that bought secondary.com is going to begin charging $100/mo. i nearly choked on that, but whatever... i'm looking for an *.org who does DNS secondaries free oe nearly so. i know there is at least one place, but it's been years. Not free, but nearly so: http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/secdns/ $17.50/year = $1.46/month... Other options include: http://www.backupdns.com/index.html $0.80/month/zone for a small number of zones. Or http://www.zoneedit.com They will host DNS (primary and/or secondary) for 5 zones, free of charge (subject to bandwidth). well, i've certainly asked more ignorant q's, so hrer goes: what is a ``zone''? i do my own dns and have since 04/2001. thought.org is my one domain, altho i've got several virtual websites. a number of people have offered to be my secondary, something that warms me to the core. this happened once before--i needed a secondary and had to scramble. like to take care of it before something else happened! --i'm rambling, sorry. again, a Zone is? A zone file has all DNS records related to a domain. Bill -- INTERNET: b...@celestial.com Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way Voice: (206) 236-1676 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820 Fax:(206) 232-9186 The difference between science and the fuzzy subjects is that science requires reasoning while those other subjects merely require scholarship. -- Robert Heinlein ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: looking for a secondary.
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:37:41PM -0500, Mikel King wrote: On Dec 16, 2008, at 6:42 PM, Gary Kline wrote: i was recently informed that the firm that bought secondary.com is going to begin charging $100/mo. i nearly choked on that, but whatever... i'm looking for an *.org who does DNS secondaries free oe nearly so. i know there is at least one place, but it's been years. i thought i'd check here first because i'm not how to pose this as a good search. thanks, guys, gary Gary, Check out http://www.afraid.org not only do they offer a free service they run on FreeBSD. They also have a pay service available for more advanced configurations. Cheers, Mikel King thanks, mikel, i'll check out afraid.org in morning. arm is just about falling off, !joke; to everybody else: thanks for your kindness and insights. --some years ago like 5, 6, there was some mumbling among the list about doing some kind of 2ndary service for fellow users. i'm willing; i'm up 24/7. gary CEO, Olivent Technologies Senior Editor, Daemon News Columnist, BSD Magazine 6 Alpine Court Medford, NY 11763 http://www.olivent.com http://www.daemonnews.org http://www.bsdmag.org skype: mikel.king +--+ Yes it is true I am running for US Senate (NY). +--+ -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.17a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: looking for a secondary.
Gary Kline wrote: again, a Zone is? An administrative chunk of DNS data which has one set of nameservers and, in Bind, a single data file. (Sweeping details, other brands of name servers, and edge cases under the carpet, swoosh, swoosh.) In other words, if you had thought.org hq.thought.org branch.thought.org as 3 domains you'd face a choice: did you want to have all the records for thought.org and its two sub-domains intermingled and maintained on the same set of domain servers as a single administrative unit, i.e., zone, or did you want to have more that one zone, in which case you'd have NS records in the data for thought.org which pointed at the nameservers at which one could find the data for hq.thought.org and/or branch.thought.org? Or, to look at it another way, you need at least one zone per 2nd level domain and can have no more than one zone per domain at any level. --Jon Radel j...@radel.com smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
