Re: uptime 2 years!
On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 10:52 -0400, Mikel King wrote: On Oct 8, 2008, at 9:00 PM, Chad Marshall wrote: No Problem, I figured that there are other systems out there with a longer uptime. I have this server as a postfix/courier-imap/ squirrelmail (60+ accounts and 30-40 forwards) mailserver with apache/php/mysql. Also use it as a slave authoritative nameserver for over 100 zones (one zone with a 60sec TTL on a high volume production website) as well. Plus use it as a primary nameserver for our entire office (300+ workstations). I was lazy with it (Upgrading or Replacing) and when it hit a year, I decided to hold off doing anything with it as I wanted to see how long I could let it go. It's a celeron 2.4ghz server with 512m Ram and has been a champ server in it's performance and stability. I use CentOS for most of my other systems and find that as easy as it is for administration and upgrading, it lacks FreeBSD's performance. With the memory leaks that CentOS has, I usually have to end up restarting the machine(s). With FreeBSD I can just restart the services, and got my memory back and reduce the amount of swap being used. Regardless of the first email I got back (Which was a little rude), I will continue to run this server as long as I can and monitor the security risks using DenyHosts and other security measures. Thanks, On Oct 8, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Frank Shute wrote: On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 08:54:47AM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: Hello, Would like to share a success story which I'm sure you've had in the past but one of my servers running FreeBSD will have an uptime of 2 years tomorrow. I plan on putting on my blog but as it doesn't have much reach but wanted to share with you since your community has made this possible. Please indicate where I could post this to have a bit more reach or if you'd like to put a link to my blog, I'd be more than happy to provide that. Best Regards, Sorry to rain on your parade: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2008-October/005719.html Regards, -- Frank I think this is good news, and thanks for posting it. While it may not be a record holder, from an advocacy point of view it's nice to see. It means there one more rock solid server out there. Here, here... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 10:03 -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: --On Thursday, October 09, 2008 09:34:02 -0500 Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 07:07:31AM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: Sorry to bother you...You know, you could just leave well enough alone if you don't care. There goes any future donations from me and my organization as this is more than the first untactful email I recieved from this, I'll donate and use other platforms. Please don't send any other emails Kind of touchy, wouldn't you think? People are giving you some perspective. Well, anyway, you have the choice of using a superior system or let scratchy responses lead you to something less suitable. When I was a young boy, I went on vacation with my family to a lake in upper Minnesota. (My mother's ancestral home.) The weather was beautiful, the water was warm and inviting, the swimming was thoroughly enjoyable and the cabin we stayed in was luxurious (by the standards of a little boy.) However, my mother said something to me that mad me angry. To punish her, I stomped off in a huff and spent the remainder of the vacation scowling in the cabin. I refused to swim until she corrected the perceived injustice. Needless to say, my punishment caused me a great deal more consternation than it did her, or my siblings who were all happily enjoying the water and the boating and the entire lovely vacation while I fumed in the cabin. Self-inflicted wounds are often the most painful of all. You do present a very good point here, but in some ways the OP has a point. This list is by far the most supportive and helpful lists I've come across, it would be nice to keep this attribute and not slip off into the geeks only attitude. That said, the post probably should have been sent to the chat list and not here. I'm not trying to start an argument, just offer an outside perspective. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 07:50 -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: Here's what I said to the last guy who says my skin is thin, just leave well enough alone and drop it please. Seems your skin is thin as well if you can't handle a little back talk :) Well, I can always except critism. The problem is that I don't need rude responses for something I thought would be something to share for your organization, a success story of FreeBSD. Only for people to call me lazy and say Big Deal. If it's not a big deal, than say nothing. Maybe you should put someone in charge of answering emails who aren't cocky and smug, some responses were nice and at least supportive. I still believe in FreeBSD and it's a great OS. It's the nix I started and learned with but I think your community is full of conceited, pompous asses, the reason I don't like to associate with IT people. I'd rather not give money to someone who has to insult me. If you go to a restaurant and you get a rude waiter, what do you do? I don't go back or give them a crap tip. Maybe you should try the fedora list then? You'll be wishing you hadn't left this one... :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
I love the direction this thread has taken. First, humorous, then it will turn into flames. I bet all my US$:-) Unfortunately that doesn't really offer much value anymore with the recent market downturn- got anything else to offer? Sorry- couldn't resist... :P ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
Zbigniew Szalbot: 2008/10/9 Jon Radel: Dear Mr. Marshall: I'm terribly sorry that our representatives in charge of answering emails have been rude to you. I've just fired the lot of them, particularly as we can't afford to keep then on anymore seeing as how your generous donations are now in jeopardy. How is that supposed to be helpful? Ironi is helpful. And funny. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: uptime 2 years!
Odhiambo, you hit the nail on the head. Glad to see you caught on. Chad, please google up the definition of passive-agressive behavior and look at yourself in a mirror. If you don't get it, reread the definition and look in the mirror again. And in the future, please don't engage in it. You don't want to become known for this. As for the rest of you, this is a classic Bikeshed discussion. I'm amazed that so many people fell for it. I guess the collapse of the US financial system has put a crimp on your spending on new computers and your all bored of your old hardware. Chad's post was worth a read. It wasn't worth a response, espically escalated to the rediculousness that some have been. Did anyone bother to think that any admin with 2 years uptime on a system probably has some decent coin into the environment (think, UPS power here) and more like as not knows what they are doing? Chances that your going to get 2 years of uptime on a system plugged into a consumer-grade UPS in a private residence are lower than the chances that Jamie Lynn Spears is going to be offered the job of spokesperson for the National Abstinence Education Association. It has nothing to do with how the server is configured and everything to do with the environment the server is in. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Odhiambo Washington Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:56 AM To: User Questions Cc: Chad Marshall; Jon Radel Subject: Re: uptime 2 years! On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Zbigniew Szalbot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/10/9 Jon Radel: Dear Mr. Marshall: I'm terribly sorry that our representatives in charge of answering emails have been rude to you. I've just fired the lot of them, particularly as we can't afford to keep then on anymore seeing as how your generous donations are now in jeopardy. How is that supposed to be helpful? I will ask, however, that in the future you constrain your e-mail to freebsd-questions to either questions or answers to them, so as to not inflame our more excitable representatives once we hire a new, much reduced, batch of them. Can you follow your own advice? -- Zbigniew Szalbot I love the direction this thread has taken. First, humorous, then it will turn into flames. I bet all my US$:-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards! --from a /. post ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
Sorry to bother you...You know, you could just leave well enough alone if you don't care. There goes any future donations from me and my organization as this is more than the first untactful email I recieved from this, I'll donate and use other platforms. Please don't send any other emails On Oct 8, 2008, at 6:51 PM, matt donovan wrote: why is this news or even important? heck most servers are up longer then this. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: uptime 2 years!
On Behalf Of matt donovan why is this news or even important? heck most servers are up longer then this. It's neither. But the discussion proved useful as it served to remind me that there are security updates that need to be reviewed periodically, even for machines that are not directly connected to the outside world. I also recorded a couple of URLs that I should review, and caught the reminder that 2038 is coming quicker than I had hoped. That was very timely, by the way. Later that same day it helped debug a problem. Yeah, we already have one web developer that has run up against that limit. He decided that forever is 30 years and wondered why QA got an error when they tried to set a schedule end date with it. No, we don't use any 64 bit OS, yet. Bob McConnell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 07:07:31AM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: Sorry to bother you...You know, you could just leave well enough alone if you don't care. There goes any future donations from me and my organization as this is more than the first untactful email I recieved from this, I'll donate and use other platforms. Please don't send any other emails If your skin is that thin, then good riddance. But just what sort of control over this email list do you expect of the organization? I seriously doubt you contribute enough to pay for a full time list moderator. FreeBSD-Questions is not the right place to say, 2 years!, FreeBSD-Chat is the right place, and that's exactly what I did several days before this one appeared on Questions. Meanwhile, you should know where the off switch is to unsubscribe as somehow you managed to subscribe. -- David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 07:07:31AM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: Sorry to bother you...You know, you could just leave well enough alone if you don't care. There goes any future donations from me and my organization as this is more than the first untactful email I recieved from this, I'll donate and use other platforms. Please don't send any other emails Kind of touchy, wouldn't you think? People are giving you some perspective. Well, anyway, you have the choice of using a superior system or let scratchy responses lead you to something less suitable. jerry On Oct 8, 2008, at 6:51 PM, matt donovan wrote: why is this news or even important? heck most servers are up longer then this. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
Eitan Adler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: andrew clarke wrote: Is FreeBSD 7.1 2038-proof? ;-) As far as I know the amd64 version is (anyone care to verify/correct?) All 64-bit platforms have 64-bit time_t, so that covers most of the possible problems. Even on 32-bit platforms, the major filesystems use 64-bit times, so the data is good to go on 64-bit systems. And in theory it should be possible to change time_t to unsigned, and get another two-thirds of a century out of it... -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
Here's what I said to the last guy who says my skin is thin, just leave well enough alone and drop it please. Seems your skin is thin as well if you can't handle a little back talk :) Well, I can always except critism. The problem is that I don't need rude responses for something I thought would be something to share for your organization, a success story of FreeBSD. Only for people to call me lazy and say Big Deal. If it's not a big deal, than say nothing. Maybe you should put someone in charge of answering emails who aren't cocky and smug, some responses were nice and at least supportive. I still believe in FreeBSD and it's a great OS. It's the nix I started and learned with but I think your community is full of conceited, pompous asses, the reason I don't like to associate with IT people. I'd rather not give money to someone who has to insult me. If you go to a restaurant and you get a rude waiter, what do you do? I don't go back or give them a crap tip. I get better tack out of forums where I'm asking for help on coding challenges than just simply offering a testimonial. On Oct 9, 2008, at 7:35 AM, David Kelly wrote: On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 07:07:31AM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: Sorry to bother you...You know, you could just leave well enough alone if you don't care. There goes any future donations from me and my organization as this is more than the first untactful email I recieved from this, I'll donate and use other platforms. Please don't send any other emails If your skin is that thin, then good riddance. But just what sort of control over this email list do you expect of the organization? I seriously doubt you contribute enough to pay for a full time list moderator. FreeBSD-Questions is not the right place to say, 2 years!, FreeBSD-Chat is the right place, and that's exactly what I did several days before this one appeared on Questions. Meanwhile, you should know where the off switch is to unsubscribe as somehow you managed to subscribe. -- David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] = = == Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
On Oct 8, 2008, at 9:00 PM, Chad Marshall wrote: No Problem, I figured that there are other systems out there with a longer uptime. I have this server as a postfix/courier-imap/ squirrelmail (60+ accounts and 30-40 forwards) mailserver with apache/php/mysql. Also use it as a slave authoritative nameserver for over 100 zones (one zone with a 60sec TTL on a high volume production website) as well. Plus use it as a primary nameserver for our entire office (300+ workstations). I was lazy with it (Upgrading or Replacing) and when it hit a year, I decided to hold off doing anything with it as I wanted to see how long I could let it go. It's a celeron 2.4ghz server with 512m Ram and has been a champ server in it's performance and stability. I use CentOS for most of my other systems and find that as easy as it is for administration and upgrading, it lacks FreeBSD's performance. With the memory leaks that CentOS has, I usually have to end up restarting the machine(s). With FreeBSD I can just restart the services, and got my memory back and reduce the amount of swap being used. Regardless of the first email I got back (Which was a little rude), I will continue to run this server as long as I can and monitor the security risks using DenyHosts and other security measures. Thanks, On Oct 8, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Frank Shute wrote: On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 08:54:47AM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: Hello, Would like to share a success story which I'm sure you've had in the past but one of my servers running FreeBSD will have an uptime of 2 years tomorrow. I plan on putting on my blog but as it doesn't have much reach but wanted to share with you since your community has made this possible. Please indicate where I could post this to have a bit more reach or if you'd like to put a link to my blog, I'd be more than happy to provide that. Best Regards, Sorry to rain on your parade: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2008-October/005719.html Regards, -- Frank I think this is good news, and thanks for posting it. While it may not be a record holder, from an advocacy point of view it's nice to see. It means there one more rock solid server out there. Cheers, Mikel King CEO, Olivent Technologies Senior Editor, Daemon News Columnist, BSD Magazine 6 Alpine Court Medford, NY 11763 http://www.olivent.com http://www.daemonnews.org http://www.bsdmag.org skype: mikel.king t: 631.627.3055 +--+ Do You know where your towel is? +--+ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
--On Thursday, October 09, 2008 09:34:02 -0500 Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 07:07:31AM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: Sorry to bother you...You know, you could just leave well enough alone if you don't care. There goes any future donations from me and my organization as this is more than the first untactful email I recieved from this, I'll donate and use other platforms. Please don't send any other emails Kind of touchy, wouldn't you think? People are giving you some perspective. Well, anyway, you have the choice of using a superior system or let scratchy responses lead you to something less suitable. When I was a young boy, I went on vacation with my family to a lake in upper Minnesota. (My mother's ancestral home.) The weather was beautiful, the water was warm and inviting, the swimming was thoroughly enjoyable and the cabin we stayed in was luxurious (by the standards of a little boy.) However, my mother said something to me that mad me angry. To punish her, I stomped off in a huff and spent the remainder of the vacation scowling in the cabin. I refused to swim until she corrected the perceived injustice. Needless to say, my punishment caused me a great deal more consternation than it did her, or my siblings who were all happily enjoying the water and the boating and the entire lovely vacation while I fumed in the cabin. Self-inflicted wounds are often the most painful of all. -- Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/
Re: uptime 2 years!
Hi, 2008/10/9 Chad Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, I can always except critism. The problem is that I don't need rude responses for something I thought would be something to share for your organization, a success story of FreeBSD. Only for people to call me lazy and say Big Deal. If it's not a big deal, than say nothing. Maybe you should put someone in charge of answering emails who aren't cocky and smug, some responses were nice and at least supportive. Chad - I think that you need to understand one thing. This is a public list and majority of people who post/respond here aren't FreeBSD Foundation workers but users of this great OS. At least I see the need to separate the two. So if people are playing kind of rude, just ignore them. I was glad to hear that FreeBSD proved useful to you, as it is proving useful to me and an NGO I work for. I could give you hips of examples when thanks to this list I have learnt something useful or was given useful advice. And two years ago I knew nothing about Unix or Linux. Thanks to this list I can manage FreeBSD (almost) on my own. :) But the discussion that followed made me realize that uptime is not everything. I also love to see huge uptimes on my servers but if anything this discussion brought it home to me that more than anything I need to take care of security updates which I do. All the best, -- Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
--- On Thu, 10/9/08, Chad Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you should put someone in charge of answering emails who aren't cocky and smug This is a public mailing list. No one is in charge of answering mails to it. When sending to -questions, you are emailing the community of people, most of whom are willing to help when they have time and knowledge. I still believe in FreeBSD and it's a great OS. It's the nix I started and learned with but I think your community is full of conceited, pompous asses, the reason I don't like to associate with IT people. I'd rather not give money to someone who has to insult me. No one on this list gets paid for helping others via it. If you want paid support with no risk of potentially being offended by someone, you can actually pay for support through any one of many companies, or just hire a consultant. If you go to a restaurant and you get a rude waiter, what do you do? I don't go back or give them a crap tip. You're under some whacky and wholly mistaken impression that anyone here is getting tips. We're here to help other users because that's how the community interoperates. Others help me, I in turn help others. If someone were rude to me or generally behaved poorly on the list, I may then be less inclined to answer a question they ask which I may know the answer to, or vice-versa. Take care, mdh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
Chad Marshall wrote: Here's what I said to the last guy who says my skin is thin, just leave well enough alone and drop it please. Seems your skin is thin as well if you can't handle a little back talk :) Well, I can always except critism. The problem is that I don't need rude responses for something I thought would be something to share for your organization, a success story of FreeBSD. Only for people to call me lazy and say Big Deal. If it's not a big deal, than say nothing. Maybe you should put someone in charge of answering emails who aren't cocky and smug, some responses were nice and at least supportive. I still believe in FreeBSD and it's a great OS. It's the nix I started and learned with but I think your community is full of conceited, pompous asses, the reason I don't like to associate with IT people. I'd rather not give money to someone who has to insult me. If you go to a restaurant and you get a rude waiter, what do you do? I don't go back or give them a crap tip. I get better tack out of forums where I'm asking for help on coding challenges than just simply offering a testimonial. Dear Mr. Marshall: I'm terribly sorry that our representatives in charge of answering emails have been rude to you. I've just fired the lot of them, particularly as we can't afford to keep then on anymore seeing as how your generous donations are now in jeopardy. Moving forward I certainly hope that you evaluate your operating systems based on their technical merits and overall ROI, where I believe you will find that FreeBSD stands out, as it has for years, as a hard working operating system to support your Internet requirements at low cost. I will ask, however, that in the future you constrain your e-mail to freebsd-questions to either questions or answers to them, so as to not inflame our more excitable representatives once we hire a new, much reduced, batch of them. Thanks. --Jon Radel Who will now resign in shame ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
2008/10/9 Jon Radel: Dear Mr. Marshall: I'm terribly sorry that our representatives in charge of answering emails have been rude to you. I've just fired the lot of them, particularly as we can't afford to keep then on anymore seeing as how your generous donations are now in jeopardy. How is that supposed to be helpful? I will ask, however, that in the future you constrain your e-mail to freebsd-questions to either questions or answers to them, so as to not inflame our more excitable representatives once we hire a new, much reduced, batch of them. Can you follow your own advice? -- Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Zbigniew Szalbot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/10/9 Jon Radel: Dear Mr. Marshall: I'm terribly sorry that our representatives in charge of answering emails have been rude to you. I've just fired the lot of them, particularly as we can't afford to keep then on anymore seeing as how your generous donations are now in jeopardy. How is that supposed to be helpful? I will ask, however, that in the future you constrain your e-mail to freebsd-questions to either questions or answers to them, so as to not inflame our more excitable representatives once we hire a new, much reduced, batch of them. Can you follow your own advice? -- Zbigniew Szalbot I love the direction this thread has taken. First, humorous, then it will turn into flames. I bet all my US$:-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards! --from a /. post ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, 2008/10/9 Odhiambo Washington [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I love the direction this thread has taken. First, humorous, then it will turn into flames. I bet all my US$:-) Well, I do not have much to lose in terms of USD ;) but I cannot really understand why some people are still sort of getting on this particular user. How does this help to promote FreeBSD? What will new people joining this community think? What if someone just wanted to send a donation for FreeBSD foundation? You never really know. I find it difficult to comprehend why would someone want to undermine FBSD Foundation work (which we all benefit from) through careless words and actions. Yours, -- Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Zbigniew Szalbot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, 2008/10/9 Odhiambo Washington [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I love the direction this thread has taken. First, humorous, then it will turn into flames. I bet all my US$:-) Well, I do not have much to lose in terms of USD ;) but I cannot really understand why some people are still sort of getting on this particular user. How does this help to promote FreeBSD? What will new people joining this community think? What if someone just wanted to send a donation for FreeBSD foundation? You never really know. I find it difficult to comprehend why would someone want to undermine FBSD Foundation work (which we all benefit from) through careless words and actions. Yours, -- Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] this 2 years thing is actually more of a -advocacy email more then anything. since that deals with promoting and donations. Since this email list is more for questions. I just find the whole 2 year thing not important aka not a question hence why I said why is this important for this mailing list ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
Chad Marshall wrote: Here's what I said to the last guy who says my skin is thin, just leave well enough alone and drop it please. Seems your skin is thin as well if you can't handle a little back talk :) Well, I can always except critism. The problem is that I don't need rude responses for something I thought would be something to share for your organization, a success story of FreeBSD. Only for people to call me lazy and say Big Deal. If it's not a big deal, than say nothing. Maybe you should put someone in charge of answering emails who aren't cocky and smug, some responses were nice and at least supportive. I still believe in FreeBSD and it's a great OS. It's the nix I started and learned with but I think your community is full of conceited, pompous asses, the reason I don't like to associate with IT people. I'd rather not give money to someone who has to insult me. If you go to a restaurant and you get a rude waiter, what do you do? I don't go back or give them a crap tip. Godwin's Law will be invoked soon... :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 05:11:13PM +0200, Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: But the discussion that followed made me realize that uptime is not everything. I also love to see huge uptimes on my servers but if anything this discussion brought it home to me that more than anything I need to take care of security updates which I do. Yes, uptime isn't everything. But when security notices are published its important to read the notice and question whether it immediately applies to your situation. In my case a kernel flaw which allows an otherwise valid user to elevate authority is not terribly important on my 2 year machine. Something which allows an unauthorized user into the machine is important. OTOH while my kernel has been running 2 years I have wiped ports completely several times and reinstalled. IIRC it takes 3 or 4 days to build X11 and KDE last time I tired. No longer has X11 or KDE. -- David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
Lowell Gilbert wrote: [snip] And in theory it should be possible to change time_t to unsigned, and get another two-thirds of a century out of it... However this would break binary compatibility with anything compiled before the change. -- GNU Key fingerptrint: 2E13 BC16 5F54 0FBD 62ED 42B6 B65F 24AB E9C2 CCD1 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
Thank you. Although I have always felt there are better systems for Administrative purposes, FreeBSD is a rock solid performer. I'm a Mac user/Fan as well and since a lot of it's core was built on FreeBSD, goes to show how great it is. Thanks to all of you who were at least constructive and supportive and found some value in my story. Best Regards, Modulok wrote: uptime 2 years! Congratulations. Long uptimes should be shared, so as to encourage people to consider FreeBSD for long-term stability. Thank you for posting. Through this discussion the lazy administrator topic came up... In regards to that, we must keep in mind, 'stability,' pertains not only to run-time stability but also to temporal stability and general quality of the design and implementation of the original code base. If an administrator has to make offline kernel patches every week to fix a glaring security hole, something was wrong with the sofware's original design or implementation. Regardless, mistakes do occur, so keep your system up for as long as you can, but don't forget to watch the security reports for things that would directly affect that specific server. All things in moderation. Sorry to bother you...You know, you could just leave well enough alone if you don't care. There goes any future donations from me and my organization as this is more than the first untactful email I recieved from this, I'll donate and use other platforms. Please don't send any other emails Don't let a few sour grapes get you down. I think it's cool. -Modulok- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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uptime 2 years! Congratulations. Long uptimes should be shared, so as to encourage people to consider FreeBSD for long-term stability. Thank you for posting. Through this discussion the lazy administrator topic came up... In regards to that, we must keep in mind, 'stability,' pertains not only to run-time stability but also to temporal stability and general quality of the design and implementation of the original code base. If an administrator has to make offline kernel patches every week to fix a glaring security hole, something was wrong with the sofware's original design or implementation. Regardless, mistakes do occur, so keep your system up for as long as you can, but don't forget to watch the security reports for things that would directly affect that specific server. All things in moderation. Sorry to bother you...You know, you could just leave well enough alone if you don't care. There goes any future donations from me and my organization as this is more than the first untactful email I recieved from this, I'll donate and use other platforms. Please don't send any other emails Don't let a few sour grapes get you down. I think it's cool. -Modulok- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
--- On Thu, 10/9/08, Eitan Adler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Eitan Adler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: uptime 2 years! To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 8:41 PM Lowell Gilbert wrote: [snip] And in theory it should be possible to change time_t to unsigned, and get another two-thirds of a century out of it... However this would break binary compatibility with anything compiled before the change. -- GNU Key fingerptrint: 2E13 BC16 5F54 0FBD 62ED 42B6 B65F 24AB E9C2 CCD1 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
--- On Thu, 10/9/08, Eitan Adler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Eitan Adler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: uptime 2 years! To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 8:41 PM Lowell Gilbert wrote: [snip] And in theory it should be possible to change time_t to unsigned, and get another two-thirds of a century out of it... However this would break binary compatibility with anything compiled before the change. One thing to consider is that changing any signed value to an unsigned value then prevents functions which return that type from returning -1 (or otherwise 0) to indicate an error condition. Even if it doesn't affect anything at all in the base system, it could impact untold sums of software developed not in the base system. - mdh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 06:00:38PM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: No Problem, I figured that there are other systems out there with a longer uptime. I have this server as a postfix/courier-imap/ squirrelmail (60+ accounts and 30-40 forwards) mailserver with apache/ php/mysql. Also use it as a slave authoritative nameserver for over 100 zones (one zone with a 60sec TTL on a high volume production website) as well. Plus use it as a primary nameserver for our entire office (300+ workstations). I was lazy with it (Upgrading or Replacing) and when it hit a year, I decided to hold off doing anything with it as I wanted to see how long I could let it go. It's a celeron 2.4ghz server with 512m Ram and has been a champ server in it's performance and stability. I use CentOS for most of my other systems and find that as easy as it is for administration and upgrading, it lacks FreeBSD's performance. With the memory leaks that CentOS has, I usually have to end up restarting the machine(s). With FreeBSD I can just restart the services, and got my memory back and reduce the amount of swap being used. I'm glad to hear that your machine is busy and doing useful work, the uptime I pointed to was non-Internet facing IIRC. I'm also interested to hear that CentOS ...lacks FreeBSD performance. Statistics never tell the whole story - real world usage does. Your observations will help to encourage our developers to further greater efforts! ;) When I went from RH to FreeBSD-4.3, the difference in performance as a desktop user was noticeable but that was a few years ago. Regardless of the first email I got back (Which was a little rude), I will continue to run this server as long as I can and monitor the security risks using DenyHosts and other security measures. Thanks, Don't necessarily take posts on this list as rude or offensive. From my experience of reading this list, there is quite a lot of misunderstanding due to cultural/language problems or people thinking something was a slight even if none was intended by the original poster. Or somebody might be just having a bad day (it happens to all of us). This list is open to everyone only represents the FreeBSD project in that the majority who post here use FreeBSD (from newbies to kernel hackers). Do keep on using FreeBSD promoting it's use - no point in cutting off your nose to spite your face! Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
uptime 2 years!
Hello, Would like to share a success story which I'm sure you've had in the past but one of my servers running FreeBSD will have an uptime of 2 years tomorrow. I plan on putting on my blog but as it doesn't have much reach but wanted to share with you since your community has made this possible. Please indicate where I could post this to have a bit more reach or if you'd like to put a link to my blog, I'd be more than happy to provide that. Best Regards, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 08:54:47AM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: Would like to share a success story which I'm sure you've had in the past but one of my servers running FreeBSD will have an uptime of 2 years tomorrow. I plan on putting on my blog but as it doesn't have much reach but wanted to share with you since your community has made this possible. Please indicate where I could post this to have a bit more reach or if you'd like to put a link to my blog, I'd be more than happy to provide that. I don't want to rain on your parade, but uptime ultimately means squat. I can install FreeBSD on a box under my desk at home, on a UPS, and leave it powered on for the next 30 years -- it tells people absolutely nothing about the reliability of the OS, or what kind of stress it's undergone during that time. Additionally, long uptimes also reflect directly on sysadmins: I take it to mean the administrator is very lazy. There are security holes (kernel or userland/library-level) which are exploitable on boxes which have been up for that kind of time. I'm also making the assumption that said boxes have Internet connectivity, hence my point. Food for thought. :-) -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
On Wednesday 08 October 2008, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 08:54:47AM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: Would like to share a success story which I'm sure you've had in the past but one of my servers running FreeBSD will have an uptime of 2 years tomorrow. I plan on putting on my blog but as it doesn't have much reach but wanted to share with you since your community has made this possible. Please indicate where I could post this to have a bit more reach or if you'd like to put a link to my blog, I'd be more than happy to provide that. I don't want to rain on your parade, but uptime ultimately means squat. I can install FreeBSD on a box under my desk at home, on a UPS, and leave it powered on for the next 30 years -- it tells people absolutely nothing about the reliability of the OS, or what kind of stress it's undergone during that time. Additionally, long uptimes also reflect directly on sysadmins: I take it to mean the administrator is very lazy. There are security holes (kernel or userland/library-level) which are exploitable on boxes which have been up for that kind of time. I'm also making the assumption that said boxes have Internet connectivity, hence my point. Food for thought. :-) Or to put it mildly and not alienate Chad :), what was the box used for and, if it had Internet connectivity, how were the potential security issues handled within the last two years? A Guy Ritchie kind of story will do just fine. :) -- Mihai Donțu unices.bitdefender.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
On Wed 2008-10-08 09:21:53 UTC-0700, Jeremy Chadwick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I don't want to rain on your parade, but uptime ultimately means squat. Agreed. I can install FreeBSD on a box under my desk at home, on a UPS, and leave it powered on for the next 30 years -- it tells people absolutely nothing about the reliability of the OS, or what kind of stress it's undergone during that time. I'd be impressed if an ordinary PC lasted 30 years continuously running. Even if the HDD is solid-state you still have to think about other moving parts, particularly the CPU and PSU cooling fans. I've had a bad run with PSU fans recently. Is FreeBSD 7.1 2038-proof? ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem (I wonder what version of FreeBSD will be the latest in 2038?) Additionally, long uptimes also reflect directly on sysadmins: I take it to mean the administrator is very lazy. There are security holes (kernel or userland/library-level) which are exploitable on boxes which have been up for that kind of time. I'm also making the assumption that said boxes have Internet connectivity, hence my point. Yes, my initial thought was what, you don't use freebsd-update?. Regards Andrew ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
--On Wednesday, October 08, 2008 10:54:47 -0500 Chad Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Would like to share a success story which I'm sure you've had in the past but one of my servers running FreeBSD will have an uptime of 2 years tomorrow. I plan on putting on my blog but as it doesn't have much reach but wanted to share with you since your community has made this possible. Please indicate where I could post this to have a bit more reach or if you'd like to put a link to my blog, I'd be more than happy to provide that. All this means is that you haven't applied any security patches in the past two years. I don't think it would be wise to advertise that fact on the internet. -- Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/
Re: uptime 2 years!
andrew clarke wrote: Is FreeBSD 7.1 2038-proof? ;-) As far as I know the amd64 version is (anyone care to verify/correct?) -- GNU Key fingerptrint: 2E13 BC16 5F54 0FBD 62ED 42B6 B65F 24AB E9C2 CCD1 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 08:54:47AM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: Hello, Would like to share a success story which I'm sure you've had in the past but one of my servers running FreeBSD will have an uptime of 2 years tomorrow. I plan on putting on my blog but as it doesn't have much reach but wanted to share with you since your community has made this possible. Please indicate where I could post this to have a bit more reach or if you'd like to put a link to my blog, I'd be more than happy to provide that. Best Regards, Sorry to rain on your parade: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2008-October/005719.html Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Frank Shute wrote: On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 08:54:47AM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: Hello, Would like to share a success story which I'm sure you've had in the past but one of my servers running FreeBSD will have an uptime of 2 years tomorrow. I plan on putting on my blog but as it doesn't have much reach but wanted to share with you since your community has made this possible. Please indicate where I could post this to have a bit more reach or if you'd like to put a link to my blog, I'd be more than happy to provide that. Best Regards, Sorry to rain on your parade: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2008-October/005719.html Uptime over seven(7) years? Must be behind some firewall and not have to worry about (what someone else has stated) kernel or userland updates. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Duane Hill wrote: | On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Frank Shute wrote: | | On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 08:54:47AM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: | | | Hello, | | Would like to share a success story which I'm sure you've had in the | past but one of my servers running FreeBSD will have an uptime of 2 | years tomorrow. I plan on putting on my blog but as it doesn't have | much reach but wanted to share with you since your community has made | this possible. Please indicate where I could post this to have a bit | more reach or if you'd like to put a link to my blog, I'd be more than | happy to provide that. | | | Best Regards, | | | Sorry to rain on your parade: | | http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2008-October/005719.html | | Uptime over seven(7) years? Must be behind some firewall and not have to | worry about (what someone else has stated) kernel or userland updates. No entry for seven in section 7 of the manual :D - -- Pietro Cerutti [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Public Key: http://gahr.ch/pgp -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEAREKAAYFAkjtSJ0ACgkQwMJqmJVx947+YgCeKx0R5O4IUjNc4xUnypmU/AnA 0b4An1nkSCv9L7xhCVrAK4yL76/m7BI0 =auUZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 22:47 +, Duane Hill wrote: On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Frank Shute wrote: On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 08:54:47AM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: Hello, Would like to share a success story which I'm sure you've had in the past but one of my servers running FreeBSD will have an uptime of 2 years tomorrow. I plan on putting on my blog but as it doesn't have much reach but wanted to share with you since your community has made this possible. Please indicate where I could post this to have a bit more reach or if you'd like to put a link to my blog, I'd be more than happy to provide that. Best Regards, Sorry to rain on your parade: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2008-October/005719.html Uptime over seven(7) years? Must be behind some firewall and not have to worry about (what someone else has stated) kernel or userland updates. I believe there is at least 2 ways to achieve this without a security risk: 1. The updates were completed without rebooting (ie hot swapping the kernel). 2. The system was behind a firewall and not used for anything except maybe backups and/or file server. I know of an old system that ran for 3 1/2 years like this- name: Mother. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
Nice, but what does port audit say? On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 8:54 AM, Chad Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Would like to share a success story which I'm sure you've had in the past but one of my servers running FreeBSD will have an uptime of 2 years tomorrow. I plan on putting on my blog but as it doesn't have much reach but wanted to share with you since your community has made this possible. Please indicate where I could post this to have a bit more reach or if you'd like to put a link to my blog, I'd be more than happy to provide that. Best Regards, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
No Problem, I figured that there are other systems out there with a longer uptime. I have this server as a postfix/courier-imap/ squirrelmail (60+ accounts and 30-40 forwards) mailserver with apache/ php/mysql. Also use it as a slave authoritative nameserver for over 100 zones (one zone with a 60sec TTL on a high volume production website) as well. Plus use it as a primary nameserver for our entire office (300+ workstations). I was lazy with it (Upgrading or Replacing) and when it hit a year, I decided to hold off doing anything with it as I wanted to see how long I could let it go. It's a celeron 2.4ghz server with 512m Ram and has been a champ server in it's performance and stability. I use CentOS for most of my other systems and find that as easy as it is for administration and upgrading, it lacks FreeBSD's performance. With the memory leaks that CentOS has, I usually have to end up restarting the machine(s). With FreeBSD I can just restart the services, and got my memory back and reduce the amount of swap being used. Regardless of the first email I got back (Which was a little rude), I will continue to run this server as long as I can and monitor the security risks using DenyHosts and other security measures. Thanks, On Oct 8, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Frank Shute wrote: On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 08:54:47AM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: Hello, Would like to share a success story which I'm sure you've had in the past but one of my servers running FreeBSD will have an uptime of 2 years tomorrow. I plan on putting on my blog but as it doesn't have much reach but wanted to share with you since your community has made this possible. Please indicate where I could post this to have a bit more reach or if you'd like to put a link to my blog, I'd be more than happy to provide that. Best Regards, Sorry to rain on your parade: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2008-October/005719.html Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
why is this news or even important? heck most servers are up longer then this. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
Well sometimes you don't need to upgrade and you aren't connected to the
internet directly.
elephant: {25} uptime
5:54PM up 1756 days, 7:07, 2 users, load averages: 1.04, 1.01, 1.00
elephant 4.9-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE #0: Mon Oct 27 17:51:09 GMT 2003
This machine is semi-retired now but for its first three years it was
the database server (ads, reg, hit logging etc.) for a large website
( 300,000 pages/day). It also handled the queries for a
monthly reports server that created detailed reports
for about 5000 companies that had content on
the site. I didn't keep track of the connections then but its
replacement is doing 28,527 conn/hr.
This was on an internal network that was firewalled from everything
but port 3306 on the webserver IP, and a couple admin IPs. It was a big
exercise to
replace it as the databases were quite large (48G) and it took a good fraction
of an hour to make the occasional snapshot for starting a new replicator
when needed.
FreeBSD really is one of the most stable OSs even under a pretty
good load.
Cheers,
Charlie
One OS to rule them all :-)
On 9 Oct 2008 at 3:45, andrew clarke wrote:
On Wed 2008-10-08 09:21:53 UTC-0700, Jeremy Chadwick ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
I don't want to rain on your parade, but uptime ultimately means squat.
Agreed.
I can install FreeBSD on a box under my desk at home, on a UPS, and
leave it powered on for the next 30 years -- it tells people absolutely
nothing about the reliability of the OS, or what kind of stress it's
undergone during that time.
I'd be impressed if an ordinary PC lasted 30 years continuously
running. Even if the HDD is solid-state you still have to think about
other moving parts, particularly the CPU and PSU cooling fans. I've
had a bad run with PSU fans recently.
Is FreeBSD 7.1 2038-proof? ;-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem
(I wonder what version of FreeBSD will be the latest in 2038?)
Additionally, long uptimes also reflect directly on sysadmins: I take it
to mean the administrator is very lazy. There are security holes
(kernel or userland/library-level) which are exploitable on boxes which
have been up for that kind of time. I'm also making the assumption that
said boxes have Internet connectivity, hence my point.
Yes, my initial thought was what, you don't use freebsd-update?.
Regards
Andrew
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Re: uptime 2 years!
Well sometimes you don't need to upgrade and you aren't connected to
the
internet directly.
elephant: {25} uptime
5:54PM up 1756 days, 7:07, 2 users, load averages: 1.04, 1.01, 1.00
elephant 4.9-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE #0: Mon Oct 27 17:51:09 GMT
2003
This machine is semi-retired now but for its first three years it was
the database server (ads, reg, hit logging etc.) for a large website
( 300,000 pages/day). It also handled the queries for a
monthly reports server that created detailed reports
for about 5000 companies that had content on
the site. I didn't keep track of the connections then but its
replacement is doing 28,527 conn/hr.
This was on an internal network that was firewalled from everything
but port 3306 on the webserver IP, and a couple admin IPs. It was a
big exercise to
replace it as the databases were quite large (48G) and it took a good
fraction
of an hour to make the occasional snapshot for starting a new
replicator
when needed.
FreeBSD really is one of the most stable OSs even under a pretty
good load.
Cheers,
Charlie
One OS to rule them all :-)
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