Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs
Hello, Thanks for the feedback on the account creation process. We finished testing three diffrent processes against each other during the summer. The report can be found here: http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Report_from_Lennart%27s_Fellowship.pdf In theory, the tests are finished, but as you know, getting the community to come to a consensus can be hard work. I have tried to get a consensus on the English Wikipedia Village Pump for some time now, and very few have participated, so I said that unless someone protested, that I would change the process. The deadline was last Friday, but due to other things going on in my life after the Fellowship (I am preparing Wikimedia Sverige's stand at the Gothenburg Book Fair that starts in two days), I have not yet changed the account process. Of course, anyone with admin rights on English Wikipedia can help out (I no longer have my staff rights, so I cannot do it myself anyway). When we change the process, that version of the account creation process will not be used. (Sorry for taking so much space to talk about that angle of the thread.) Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ From: jutta@cancer.org.au To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:07:11 +1000 Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs Message: 1 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:33:30 -0700 From: Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: CAGWts0H0U4POruZN0qtCwqNJZuWY- 30=usaxwcxhyuqwufc...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Update, and a request: The discussion thread John started has been very active, with I think about 30 posts from a wide variety of customer service (OTRS) volunteers. This could be a good idea, but let's not forget that women who start editing Wikipedia first need to find out how to get help and this needs to be obvious in the interface. I recently supported a female colleague of mine to join and start editing Wikipedia and I witnessed her signing up etc. and it was surprisingly hard and confusing... Unfortunately, we ended up in this testing group for account creation :http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Testing_content/Login_page/Frank%27s_proposal In this testing group, the second screen is the one about topics. 'Health', the topic that we needed, was not one of them, so we selected 'biology' instead and a whole list of topics that need improvements was presented to us... However, she already knew which article she wanted to create, so it was a bit like 'Ok, how can I get out of here and draft my article?' I ended up showing her how she can do this and also ended up putting the Template:New_user_bar manually onto her user page, so that she's got a nicer profile page. I am sure we would potentially have lost her without my help... I thought I share this little experience. I think what I'll do next, is test her and see how she goes in getting some help without asking me ;-) Cheers, Jutta ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs
Thank you for pointing this out, Jutta, and your reply,Lennart. I see this area of improvement as being critical to participation of non-tech minded people. Sydney Poore On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello, Thanks for the feedback on the account creation process. We finished testing three diffrent processes against each other during the summer. The report can be found here: http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Report_from_Lennart%27s_Fellowship.pdf In theory, the tests are finished, but as you know, getting the community to come to a consensus can be hard work. I have tried to get a consensus on the English Wikipedia Village Pump for some time now, and very few have participated, so I said that unless someone protested, that I would change the process. The deadline was last Friday, but due to other things going on in my life after the Fellowship (I am preparing Wikimedia Sverige's stand at the Gothenburg Book Fair that starts in two days), I have not yet changed the account process. Of course, anyone with admin rights on English Wikipedia can help out (I no longer have my staff rights, so I cannot do it myself anyway). When we change the process, that version of the account creation process will not be used. (Sorry for taking so much space to talk about that angle of the thread.) Best wishes, Lennart Lennart Guldbrandsson, Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se Tfn: 031 - 12 50 48 Mobil: 070 - 207 80 05 Epost: l_guldbrands...@hotmail.com Användarsida: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Hannibal Blogg: http://mrchapel.wordpress.com/ From: jutta@cancer.org.au To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:07:11 +1000 Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs Message: 1 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:33:30 -0700 From: Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: CAGWts0H0U4POruZN0qtCwqNJZuWY- 30=usaxwcxhyuqwufc...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Update, and a request: The discussion thread John started has been very active, with I think about 30 posts from a wide variety of customer service (OTRS) volunteers. This could be a good idea, but let's not forget that women who start editing Wikipedia first need to find out how to get help and this needs to be obvious in the interface. I recently supported a female colleague of mine to join and start editing Wikipedia and I witnessed her signing up etc. and it was surprisingly hard and confusing... Unfortunately, we ended up in this testing group for account creation : http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Account_Creation_Improvement_Project/Testing_content/Login_page/Frank%27s_proposal In this testing group, the second screen is the one about topics. 'Health', the topic that we needed, was not one of them, so we selected 'biology' instead and a whole list of topics that need improvements was presented to us... However, she already knew which article she wanted to create, so it was a bit like 'Ok, how can I get out of here and draft my article?' I ended up showing her how she can do this and also ended up putting the Template:New_user_bar manually onto her user page, so that she's got a nicer profile page. I am sure we would potentially have lost her without my help... I thought I share this little experience. I think what I'll do next, is test her and see how she goes in getting some help without asking me ;-) Cheers, Jutta ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Hairdresser
Look who's in the DYK! :) Go team! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural artistic research advising.* -- http://www.sarahstierch.com/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Derby..
Scored three roller derby shots from photographer Tom Klubens today, OTRS is pending. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Photographs_by_Tom_Klubens Hopefully I can weasel a few more! All it takes is an email. I encourage you all to reach out to a photographer about something that needs better coverage on Wikimedia, and ask them for a media donation today. Then, of course, brag about them on Facebook, Twitter, mailing lists, etc, and praise them for how awesome they are for helping the mission and encourage others to join in. ;) -Sarah -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural artistic research advising.* -- http://www.sarahstierch.com/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Hairdresser
very nice. -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Hairdresser
Yes! Go us! From, Emily On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:35 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: very nice. -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Black skins
On 20/09/2011 01:10, Andreas Kolbe wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXG38QxXY-s Not only worth watching but compulsory watching, I think. Thanks Andreas for this great link. I'll be watching the movie Good Hair next week-end. Yes I suspect light brown caffelatte skin is becoming a sort of norm now. In fact by watching American TV series, I would not be surprised if the light brown woman is the one who's here to stay and join the team, and the dark brown woman is the one being killed during the episode, or not a recurring character. On a more general scale, I first became aware of the dangers of unnecessary surgery by working for sports instructors a few years ago. If you imagine that sports physical enhancement will remain forever the mere injection of chemicals, well you're wrong. There is going to be carbon-fiber bones, all sorts of weird things. Now as far as average women are concerned, there is a deadly combination of : - the natural tendancy of women to take care of their appearance - new bio technologies - business interests eager to combine the two. But that will create Frankenstein's monsters really. Uneducated women are going to get convinced that their shoulders are too large, their hips to narrow, their humerus too long... it will really become crazy and extend to whatever possible. And then there is the problem of the consequences when growing older. In this case of skin whitening, even if the laboratory says it's safe, it nevertheless compulsorily means intervening in the skin as deep as the pigments, so frankly it doesn't sound that good to me. So I would compare it to food disorders or pathological gambling. Even if adults do that of their own free will, responsible institutions should not go that way. Arnaud ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Black skins
Arnaud, I've ordered a copy of Good Hair as well. :) There are excellent scholarly sources on [[hair straightening]] in the black community. I dropped a few on the article's talk page, but it's just the tip of the iceberg. I may do some work on the article. Any help by editors better qualified than me welcome! I agree about the Black Girls video. My wife showed it to me a few months ago, and it's stayed with me ever since. As for your other point, about unnecessary surgery, Sarah spotted that we had some frankly misleading before/after plastic surgery pictures in a number of articles on female genitalia (uploaded by a plastic surgeon, no less). There were also two (2) in the vulva article. I found that quite perturbing. Best, Andreas --- On Wed, 21/9/11, Arnaud HERVE arnaudhe...@x-mail.net wrote: From: Arnaud HERVE arnaudhe...@x-mail.net Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Black skins To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Wednesday, 21 September, 2011, 0:15 On 20/09/2011 01:10, Andreas Kolbe wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXG38QxXY-s Not only worth watching but compulsory watching, I think. Thanks Andreas for this great link. I'll be watching the movie Good Hair next week-end. Yes I suspect light brown caffelatte skin is becoming a sort of norm now. In fact by watching American TV series, I would not be surprised if the light brown woman is the one who's here to stay and join the team, and the dark brown woman is the one being killed during the episode, or not a recurring character. On a more general scale, I first became aware of the dangers of unnecessary surgery by working for sports instructors a few years ago. If you imagine that sports physical enhancement will remain forever the mere injection of chemicals, well you're wrong. There is going to be carbon-fiber bones, all sorts of weird things. Now as far as average women are concerned, there is a deadly combination of : - the natural tendancy of women to take care of their appearance - new bio technologies - business interests eager to combine the two. But that will create Frankenstein's monsters really. Uneducated women are going to get convinced that their shoulders are too large, their hips to narrow, their humerus too long... it will really become crazy and extend to whatever possible. And then there is the problem of the consequences when growing older. In this case of skin whitening, even if the laboratory says it's safe, it nevertheless compulsorily means intervening in the skin as deep as the pigments, so frankly it doesn't sound that good to me. So I would compare it to food disorders or pathological gambling. Even if adults do that of their own free will, responsible institutions should not go that way. Arnaud ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Black skins
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 18:30, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote: Arnaud, I've ordered a copy of Good Hair as well. :) There are excellent scholarly sources on [[hair straightening]] in the black community. I dropped a few on the article's talk page, but it's just the tip of the iceberg. I may do some work on the article. Any help by editors better qualified than me welcome! I agree about the Black Girls video. My wife showed it to me a few months ago, and it's stayed with me ever since. As for your other point, about unnecessary surgery, Sarah spotted that we had some frankly misleading before/after plastic surgery pictures in a number of articles on female genitalia (uploaded by a plastic surgeon, no less). There were also two (2) in the vulva article. I found that quite perturbing. Best, Andreas Many thanks for your work on those articles, Andreas. I've written to a gynaecologist who published some images showing the natural variation between women, and I've asked if she's willing to release a couple. The Black Girls video is very moving. Sarah ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
