Re: [Gendergap] Images of radical feminist protests
Hi Audrey, What you are describing sounds like a gallery on Wikimedia Commons. See the following https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Galleries https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:When_to_create_a_gallery The Wikipedia article can link to one or more of the galleries on Wikimedia Commons... .. and then the Wikipedia article should have a few of the best and most relevant images, carefully selected by consensus to balance the need to be informative (and sometimes a bit confronting) without resorting to including soft porn in an encyclopedia gratuitously. On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Audrey Cormier cormier.h...@yahoo.ca wrote: I'm wondering what the thinking is among list members concerning photos depicting more militant feminist protest activity. I've been searching for images on Flickr that relate to feminism worldwide, and selecting some to copy to Commons. I've come across a few that are definitely in the radical end of the spectrum. The photos themselves range from could be offensive to some people (e.g. topless demonstrators) to fully intended to be offensive to some/many people (e.g. anti-male graffiti, posters dealing with menstruation). Now, it's one thing to discuss militancy in an article, it's another to see photos. They have documentary value, and I'm of the mind to go ahead and add them to the Radical feminism article. Since they were intended to shock, though, I do hesitate to do it. Would they serve an article well, or detract? Opinions? Audrey (aka OttawaAC) ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] #askawikiwoman anything about Wikipedia on Thursday
What about reddit IAmA? John Vandenberg. sent from Galaxy Note On Jan 15, 2013 6:45 AM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/14/13 11:40 AM, Michael J. Lowrey wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Are similar things planned for those of us who find Twitter repugnant and refuse to use it? Not on my end! It's a common practice to do events like this on Twitter. I also have brainstormed doing something similar on Facebook. I encourage volunteers in the Collaborative and in the Wikimedia movement to do events on their own. I'm limited with my time as I step back into volunteer mode in a few weeks :) So, I'll be doing it when I have free time. If you've got an idea - go for it! :) -Sarah -- *Sarah Stierch* *Museumist and open culture advocate* Visit sarahstierch.com http://sarahstierch.com ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Wikipatia
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Ryan Vesey rdjve...@gmail.com wrote: I don’t believe it will be pulling content from Wikipedia considering “2008 - 2012 Alpha Kitty, Ltd. All Rights Reserved”. The content wouldn’t meet our share-alike requirements unless those pages were specifically released. In addition, it doesn’t appear like it will actually be a wiki, but I could be wrong since the site is still in development. In any case, it seems like an interesting site to follow. I doubt you are wrong, but maybe a bit of outreach will help steer them towards setting up an open wiki. Wikipatia, Feministory STEMfem are trademarks of Alpha Kitty, Ltd. All unauthorized use is prohibited. I'd be surprised if STEMfem was a registered and globally protected trademarked name. All by this lady; very repetitive: https://twitter.com/AlphaKitty https://twitter.com/Feministory https://twitter.com/STEMfem https://twitter.com/CreativeCounsel http://alphakitty.com/ -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Explosion in listings... Re: Category: Female Wikipedians
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 5:37 AM, Emily Monroe emilymonro...@gmail.com wrote:
So. The implications of this. Good, bad, or does it really achieve anything?
For Australia, it means we can do time series analysis of the gender
gap based on the October 2010 dataset that Laura Hale published and
analysed.
http://ozziesport.com/2010/10/expanded-profile-of-australian-en-wp-users/
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 5:40 AM, Emily Monroe emilymonro...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, a few of my previous accounts may in there, but I put {{Abadoned
account}} on all of them, so...
The category intersection tools allow pages to be eliminated if they
have a template or category on them.
https://toolserver.org/~magnus/catscan_rewrite.php
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Re: [Gendergap] Explosion in listings... Re: Category: Female Wikipedians
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 5:49 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 5:37 AM, Emily Monroe emilymonro...@gmail.com wrote: So. The implications of this. Good, bad, or does it really achieve anything? For Australia, it means we can do time series analysis of the gender gap based on the October 2010 dataset that Laura Hale published and analysed. http://ozziesport.com/2010/10/expanded-profile-of-australian-en-wp-users/ argh .. correction.. the category was deleted in October 2010 so Laura's data extract doesnt include this. We can *start* doing analysis of this .. ;-) -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Explosion in listings... Re: Category: Female Wikipedians
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 5:49 AM, Emily Monroe emilymonro...@gmail.com wrote: So, what are the questions? Why do women start? Why do women quit? Is it different from reasons men quit? Is there a sector where outreach has a higher conversion rate into Wikipedian Women? Is there an age bracket where outreach has a higher conversion rate into Wikipedian Women? (e.g.) I suspect that our women typically come from glam education, whereas our men typically come from IT law. -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Explosion in listings... Re: Category: Female Wikipedians
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com wrote: There is another way to look at the number of females who have identified themselves as female. I don't know if you remember when you first signed up, you probably ended up at Special:Preferences where you entered an email address. On that same page there is a field where people can opt to provide their gender. I've got a user script that tells me the rights of a user when I go to their user page, but at the same time it also tells me their gender if stated by usage of the appropriate symbol. Thus, this information is publicly accessible as far as I am aware and so a Toolserver query or similar could be run to get a list of users who have identified themselves as female through their preferences. I don't know if this has been discussed before, I've only fairly recently joined this mailing list, but it could be a good way to find an active base of female editors to ask your questions to other than the ones that have used the user box or are actively participating in gender gap discussions. I dont recall it being discussed recently. I would like to install that userscript, and think a dump of that data would be very helpful. -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] New gender gap mailing list in German
Great news Nicole! Is there any German Wikipedia surveys which can be included on the following page? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Editor_Survey And, has there been any analysis of the WMF editor surveys which can answer whether their results are applicable to German Wikipedia? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Editor_Survey_2011#Survey_population On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Nicole Ebber nicole.eb...@wikimedia.de wrote: Dear all, we have just launched a gender gap mailing list for the German speaking community. https://listen.jpberlin.de/mailman/listinfo/gendergap Everyone who is interested in discussing topics regarding female participation or gender-specific discrimination in the German speaking projects is invited to join in. The mailing list should serve as a platform for connecting and exchange and we are looking forward to a respective and fruitful atmosphere. Should you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Cheers, Nicole Ebber -- Nicole Ebber Projektmanagerin Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | NEU: Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin Tel. +49 30 219158 26-0 http://wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] recognition of gender gap*s* (in the plural) Re: LGBT mailing list
Hi Claudia. There are good numbers for LGBT in real world populations, and the people doing the studies are all to aware of the problems with their numbers - there are journals dedicated to research in this discipline. i havent seen similar quality academic studies about LGBT within the wikimedia community - these studies tend to be very simplistic due to lack if understanding or inadequate funding, and/or riddled with bias without explanation. On Jul 6, 2012 1:11 PM, koltzenb...@w4w.net wrote: On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:47:58 +0100, Tom Morris wrote I'm not sure I agree that LGBT is another gender gap. my impression is that there certainly are gender gaps in LGBTIQA* communities - if ever non-heterosexual people are happy to be lumped together just because of not identifying non-heterosexual, that is ... - irrespective of whether we define gender in two (female / male) or in many (like in LGBTIQA*, with * including heterosexuals of whatever gender) and also, yes, I also think that there is a widespread gender gap between non-heterosexuals and heterosexuals, widespread meaning: in many cultures (and that bisexuals are the freest and hence could act as the bridge-builders for such a gender gap in a very nice way, it seems to me) The point of the [LGBT] list isn't that it's dealing with a clear need to increase participation like gendergap is. why is this not intended, Tom? see also the following: On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 11:35:21 +0700, John Vandenberg wrote I agree, mostly, but. . my understanding is that the surveys (ignoring the faults in them) indicate LGBT may actually be over-represented in wikimedia when compared to the distribution expected by real-world population studies; in both men and women. Im not saying this is bad, but that it does not appear that there is a LGBT systemic gap that needs a strategic approach to solving. maybe there is another methodological issue here? why would you want to ignore the faults in wikimedia surveys but not in outcomes of any study that purports to verify (or whatever) the distribution expected by real-world population studies? how can anyone who is doing real-world population studies expect to find out anything reliable about the size of a community who members are still facing systematic social and political attempts at silencing (about their way of life) by their adversaries of whatever inclination? maybe, hence, it would be more realistic to compare non-real-world results to the wikimedia results? hypothesis: over-represented would start with 51% LGBTIQA* but not below :-) anyway, I am not sure I agree with Tom's list of differences between the [gendergap] and [LGBT] lists and will come back to this later since I think it is more important to see what these two lists have in common :-) so I like John's argument that we might learn from each other! cheers Claudia On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:47:58 +0100, Tom Morris wrote On Monday, 2 July 2012 at 06:24, koltzenb...@w4w.net wrote: Hi Tom, hi @all Wikimedia have decided to allow the list to be created since we are addressing not only one gender gap but, seemingly quite a few, including those that come alonf the lines of what has come to be called sexual orientarion, I have a question about the creation process of the new list. I recently heard elsewhere that it was difficult to bring WF to allow the list to be created in the frame of lists.wikimedia.org (http://lists.wikimedia.org)? how come? You can see the discussion that led to the creation of the mailing list here: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37888 I disagreed rather strongly with the suggestion made that two of the proposed list administrators (Varnent and Fae) would have a POV*, but agreed to be a list admin instead. Eventually, there was not really any difficulty, just confusion and miscommunication. All's well that ends well. I'm not sure I agree that LGBT is another gender gap. The point of the list isn't that it's dealing with a clear need to increase participation like gendergap is. It's based on two things: dealing with problematic editor interaction issues if and when they occur and trying to increase outreach to LGBT communities and organisations – sort of like GLAM: there are historical and cultural organisations Wikimedians can work with to counter systemic bias etc. (As with women's history, LGBT history is often written out of the literature, and thus out of Wikipedia.) There's obviously some overlap given that gender, gender identity and sexual orientation are all bound together, but I wouldn't otherwise want to draw comparisons with what gendergap is doing and what the LGBT list is doing. * To quote Lady Gaga: if I have a POV or a COI, I was born that way. -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ ___ Gendergap mailing
Re: [Gendergap] recognition of gender gap*s* (in the plural) Re: LGBT mailing list
WMF could put up funding for research to be done by experts. On Jul 6, 2012 2:06 PM, koltzenb...@w4w.net wrote: Hi John havent seen similar quality academic studies about LGBT within the wikimedia community - these studies tend to be very simplistic due to lack if understanding or inadequate funding, and/or riddled with bias without explanation. so here we can definitely point to a common concern (re the list focus of both gendergap and lgbt): see e.g. http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2012-June/002905.html and earlier ones in the same thread John / @all: do you have any suggestion as to what do about this? cheers Claudia On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 13:28:18 +0700, John Vandenberg wrote Hi Claudia. There are good numbers for LGBT in real world populations, and the people doing the studies are all to aware of the problems with their numbers - there are journals dedicated to research in this discipline. i havent seen similar quality academic studies about LGBT within the wikimedia community - these studies tend to be very simplistic due to lack if understanding or inadequate funding, and/or riddled with bias without explanation. On Jul 6, 2012 1:11 PM, koltzenb...@w4w.net wrote: On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:47:58 +0100, Tom Morris wrote I'm not sure I agree that LGBT is another gender gap. my impression is that there certainly are gender gaps in LGBTIQA* communities - if ever non-heterosexual people are happy to be lumped together just because of not identifying non-heterosexual, that is ... - irrespective of whether we define gender in two (female / male) or in many (like in LGBTIQA*, with * including heterosexuals of whatever gender) and also, yes, I also think that there is a widespread gender gap between non-heterosexuals and heterosexuals, widespread meaning: in many cultures (and that bisexuals are the freest and hence could act as the bridge-builders for such a gender gap in a very nice way, it seems to me) The point of the [LGBT] list isn't that it's dealing with a clear need to increase participation like gendergap is. why is this not intended, Tom? see also the following: On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 11:35:21 +0700, John Vandenberg wrote I agree, mostly, but. . my understanding is that the surveys (ignoring the faults in them) indicate LGBT may actually be over-represented in wikimedia when compared to the distribution expected by real-world population studies; in both men and women. Im not saying this is bad, but that it does not appear that there is a LGBT systemic gap that needs a strategic approach to solving. maybe there is another methodological issue here? why would you want to ignore the faults in wikimedia surveys but not in outcomes of any study that purports to verify (or whatever) the distribution expected by real-world population studies? how can anyone who is doing real-world population studies expect to find out anything reliable about the size of a community who members are still facing systematic social and political attempts at silencing (about their way of life) by their adversaries of whatever inclination? maybe, hence, it would be more realistic to compare non-real-world results to the wikimedia results? hypothesis: over-represented would start with 51% LGBTIQA* but not below :-) anyway, I am not sure I agree with Tom's list of differences between the [gendergap] and [LGBT] lists and will come back to this later since I think it is more important to see what these two lists have in common :-) so I like John's argument that we might learn from each other! cheers Claudia [...] ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] LGBT mailing list
Would be good to annouce it on a more general list like wikimedia-l On Jul 2, 2012 6:09 AM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: On Sunday, 1 July 2012 at 22:30, Tom Morris wrote: I'm happy to announce that a new Wikimedia LGBT mailing list has been setup. For the time being, it is being hosted on lists.wikiqueer.org ( http://lists.wikiqueer.org). http://lists.wikiqueer.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lgbt The list is for discussion of possible future LGBT outreach and partnership work, increasing the coverage of LGBT history, issues and culture, and any other issues that specifically affect LGBT editors. You don't have to be lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender to join. A barely discernible amount of time after Gregory launched it on the WikiQueer servers, Wikimedia have decided to allow the list to be created on lists.wikimedia.org instead. Please feel free to join here instead: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/lgbt Sorry about the confusion. -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Phnom Penh Post mentions WikiWomenCamp
Is there a Cambodian translator that we can use? Note this was written by one of the women who attended WWC. More of her stories at https://www.google.com/search?q=Ko%E2%80%8Buni%E2%80%8Bla+Keo+site:phnompenhpost.com and https://www.google.com/search?q=Ko%E2%80%8Buni%E2%80%8Bla+Keo+site:postkhmer.com On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote: There was an article in the Phnom Penh Post about WikiWomenCamp. :D http://www.postkhmer.com/index.php/national-news/81471-2012-07-05-04-16-38.html Sincerely, Laura Hale -- twitter: purplepopple blog: ozziesport.com ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] LGBT mailing list
On Jul 6, 2012 10:56 AM, Gillian White whiteghost@gmail.com wrote: ... I think we should ignore sexual orientation on THIS one as it is irrelevant for addressing the the lack of female participation in Wikmedia projects. I agree, mostly, but. . my understanding is that the surveys (ignoring the faults in them) indicate LGBT may actually be over-represented in wikimedia when compared to the distribution expected by real-world population studies; in both men and women. Im not saying this is bad, but that it does not appear that there is a LGBT systemic gap that needs a strategic approach to solving. I would love to hear of more research on this wrt women, as it could help steer our gender gap solution finding efforts. Otherwise I want a list for people who identify as celibate. Hehe. I can imagine that, like the gendergap list full of men(mea culpa; ora pro me) , list being dominated by sexually active people trying to 'help' the celibate. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] gendergap research
Andreas,
ffs can we have one thread where we don't talk about porn. Or if you
do think porn is a part of the gendergap, pose research questions
which will help test your hypothesis, because that is what this thread
is about.
I want research questions I can put to real academics.
Not bullshit hand-wavey assertions even if they are backed up by a 'citation'.
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
The screenshots below are from a blog post by a girl geek going onto 4chan
/b/.
http://boards.4chan.org/b/ (probably NSFW)
4chan is the site that gave Wikipedia and the world its lolcats, as well as
the saying, There are no girls on the Internet. As you'll no doubt see if
you navigate to the above address, it is also full of anonymously posted
girlie pictures, not unlike parts of Wikimedia. One of the board's
catchphrases is, Tits or GTFO. Rather male-centric, right?
The Wikipedia article on 4chan is a featured article. (Why am I not
surprised ...)
The following screenshots are SFW:
http://cultureandcommunication.org/f09/tdm/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Picture-81.png
http://cultureandcommunication.org/f09/tdm/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Picture-9.png
http://cultureandcommunication.org/f09/tdm/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Picture-10.png
http://cultureandcommunication.org/f09/tdm/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Picture-11.png
The following is the dialogue they show:
---o0o---
/b/abes get no love! I hate you, /b/. Where are the female /b/tards?
in the kitchen.
stop making these shit threads ... girls on /b/ are anon, and stay anon.
i lol'd go make me a fucking sandwich
If girls on /b/ are non and stay anon, why is anon assumed to be male by
default? Can we just purge all the cam whores, plz?
making me a god damn sammwich
make my sandwich silently
im a girl,im in florida
Tits or GTFO. Pic related.
Girls on the Internet don't fucking exist.
girl, why do you have a pc in the kitchen?
female /b/tard here, trolling threads and not making samiches
Oh silly, there are no girls on the internet
---o0o---
Now, this dialogue illustrates how anonymous uncensored porn and sexist
behaviour towards a woman can go together, and reinforce each other.
The blog post the screenshots are taken from is here:
http://cultureandcommunication.org/f09/tdm/elisaverna/wait-did-4chan-just-enlighten-me-i-feel-dirty/
Andreas
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Michael J. Lowrey orangem...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com
wrote:
Please consider the likelihood that there may be a correlation between
the
let-it-all-hang-out attitude towards porn, and the problem you describe
as
sexualized behavior – sexist comments and bad manners.
The let-it-all-hang-out approach towards porn is likely
– to attract people who engage in sexualized behavior – sexist
comments and
bad manners, and
– to repel the type of people who would be allies within the community
to
shoot down behaviour like that (civility!).
A more responsible and mainstream approach, on the other hand, is apt
to
repel the first and attract the second type of contributor.
{{citation needed}}
Unquestioned premises almost inevitably lead to false conclusions. In
this case, the unquestioned premise is that those who oppose
censorship are people who engage in (or at least tolerate) sexist
comments and bad manners, as opposed to the possibility that those who
people oppose censorship believe in opposing censorship as a matter of
principle. You are unilaterally defining opponents of censorship as
irresponsible, out of the mainstream, and unwilling to support
civility: again I say, {{citation needed}}!
(I won't bother to ask for an apology.)
I'll work on a citation. But in my experience, the places that are most
radically free speech, and most anti-censorship when it comes to porn, like
parts of 4chan and reddit, are also places where the level of discourse goes
way south. I don't think that is a particularly novel or contentious
observation.
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[Gendergap] gendergap research
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Re: [Gendergap] gendergap research
Hi Beria, Which motivation methods do you think work well? On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote: I think that better than ask why people don't contribute, is better tell them why SHOULD they? For us is easier to pass by the fact that not everyone knows why they should contribute. We should give they as much info as possible to make them a contributor, not asking why they don't do it. Contribution is almost always a question of motivation, if you don't motivate people to do it, they simply won't. _ Béria Lima Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. On 30 May 2012 18:47, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: What research is needed? We have academics across the world who want to do research on Wikimedia. What questions can we put to the researchers in order to obtain a better understanding of * why women don't contribute? * what would help them contribute? * other? -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Junko Tabei, and selected anniversaries on the front page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junko_Tabei scaled Mount Everest on 16 May 1975, but you wont see this anniversary, or any other female anniversary, on the front page of Wikipedia on 16 May (tomorrow). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Selected_anniversaries/May_16 Here is why: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Howcheng#May_16_anniversaries Next opportunity to feature Junko Tabei is 28 June. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Selected_anniversaries/June_28 -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] The Dell Summit
Welcome Elaine, and thanks for keeping this moving! The comments on that G+ are very informative. I'd love to see some reliable sources to back up that a) it was an attempt at humour (http://www.comon.dk/art/216015/kvinder-skal-holde-kaeft-boern-skal-have-vaaben-og-vi-skal-knalde-bevidstloese-kaellinger ?) b) his humour has been regularly found to be in bad taste (http://mediawatch.dk/artikel/mads-christensen-undskylder-eb-klumme ?) part (b) establishes that this event is just a once off misunderstanding still no feedback at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Gender_Studies#Dell_Summit On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Elaine Mao elainek...@gmail.com wrote: Dell posted an apology on their Google+ page yesterday: https://plus.google.com/117161668189080869053/posts/5Zg5FdFEydi During a Dell-hosted customer and partner summit in Copenhagen in April, well-known public speaker and moderator, Mads Christensen, made a number of inappropriate and insensitive remarks about women. Dell sincerely apologizes for these comments...Going forward, we will be more careful selecting speakers at Dell events. Although as CNET's Molly Wood points out, it falls a bit short of being an adequate apology: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31322_3-57434780-256/dell-apologizes-for-hiring-sexist-summit-moderator/?part=rsssubj=newstag=title Comments on the Google+ apology have noted that it's not a particularly visible apology, which is true; it's also a little tepid, primarily touting Dell's female-forward initiatives rather than pointing out any actions it's taken in response to that incident (a reprimand? a letter of apology to the women -- and men -- in the audience that day?). Nevertheless, it's something, and it's a better apology than the one Danish Director Nicolai Moresco issued shortly after the event. --Elaine (By the way--hello everyone! I don't usually post to this list, which I suppose I've been lurking on for some time now, but I've been semi-following this thread and I happened to come across this coverage, so I thought I'd make myself useful and post an update :) I currently intern in the WMF's communications department, and you can also find me at User:Revolutionetc) On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:56 AM, Ole Palnatoke Andersen palnat...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:09 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: ... Also worth noting, the Danish Wikipedia description of Christiane Vejlø (the tweeter) is very similar to that of Mads Christensen, so they are in the same sector, as is Christiane's husband, and this could have some bearing on how she wrote her piece about Mads. https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christiane_Vejl%C3%B8 Christiane Vejlø and Mads Christensen are more or less in the same sector (lifestyle and such); Christiane Vejlø's husband is a stand up comedian. Regards, Ole Disclaimer: I have participated in a social event with Christiane a couple of years ago. Never met her husband nor Mads. -- http://palnatoke.org * @palnatoke * +4522934588 ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Article for deletion Fanny Imlay
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/15/12 6:35 PM, Laura Hale wrote: From a gender gap perspective of bringing in new female contributors, I would argue that Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga are much more important than Imlay because Gaga and Bieber are of interest to and more accessible to a greater audience than Imlay's article is. I would further argue that it is a bit elitist to dismiss the importance of improving such articles like Bieber and issues around such articles like Bieber while focusing on narrowly scoped articles that are of limited interest and limited ability to attract a large female audience. We might have issues of educational privilege and class amongst participants here that mean we do not adequately address those outside our own backgrounds. Hi everyone. I don't think anyone is arguing the importance of Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga and the attraction that primarily young women have towards them. Those articles are also protected, meaning that young women who are new to editing most likely wouldn't be able to edit them. I also could argue that Lady Gaga could be used to also attract young gay boys into editing too. :D (And Gaga is a good article, needing little improvement it seems!) I believe it's the Twitter account focus that people are a bit confused by. I have a feeling a lot of young women aren't going to be interested in editing articles about the Twitter habits of their favorite celebrities, but more so the life story of those people. Alas, I don't have any specific research to back that theory though. I just am saying it from my own experience as being having my own celebrity obsessions when I was a young kid. I wouldn't quite go as far to say we have systemtic bias towards Bieber or Gaga content, either. I think we all struggle with trying to maintain articles about lesser known figures - whether scientists or sports figures. But, in the spirit of can o' worms perhaps Twitter articles for celebrities are a slippery slope. I have a feeling that if we get Bieber Twitter then we get a Bieber's hair article too =) (technically his hair is notable.) We're way offtopic, but the original problem is solved so ... Here is an example where I thought a separate article was uncalled for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Savage_bibliography The AFD is all but over, and I am shocked that so many people believe that this author's collections works and media appearances are separately notable. IMO Bieber's twitter account and Bieber's hair are both more distinctly notable than Savage's collection of works. people talk about Bieber's twitter account and Bieber's hair all the time; they do not regularly talk about Savage's works as a collective. Obviously, mileages vary greatly. -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] The Dell Summit
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Cynthia Ashley-Nelson cindam...@gmail.com wrote: I would think it could certainly be added to the Mads Christensen article on Wikipedia, found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mads_Barner-Christensen. Dell regional manager apologised, and said it was intended to be satirical. http://www.business.dk/digital/dells-danske-direktoer-vi-er-superkede-af-sexisme-kritik other comments on the web indicate it was intended to be comedy. http://hackerne.ws/item?id=3966706 stupid none the less. It seems Mads often uses bad taste. http://mediawatch.dk/artikel/mads-christensen-undskylder-eb-klumme Also worth noting, the Danish Wikipedia description of Christiane Vejlø (the tweeter) is very similar to that of Mads Christensen, so they are in the same sector, as is Christiane's husband, and this could have some bearing on how she wrote her piece about Mads. https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christiane_Vejl%C3%B8 I'd recommend working with someone who speaks Danish in order to get a good feel for the reliable sources about this topic before adding negative content to Wikipedia. -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] The Dell Summit
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: On May 13, 2012 5:40 PM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: Have we any sources other than the blog post? Yes -- the cnet column, among others. But isn't this the sort of discussion that belongs on article talk pages, and maybe a wikiproject talk page? I hope this is a suitable place to start the discussion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Gender_Studies#Dell_Summit -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] The Dell Summit
Not sure what this has to do with Wikis, but its pretty sad all the same. It was a month ago, and not nearly enough has been made about it. http://news.cnet.com/8301-31322_3-57431869-256/why-we-need-to-keep-talking-about-women-in-tech/ it is getting fresh coverage on reddit too. Not sure why its revived, but it cant hurt to draw extra attention to this. http://www.reddit.com/r/business/comments/tk24s/dell_denmark_had_wellknown_danish_misogynist/ On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Dell held their annual summit this week in Europe. They hired a moderator for the opening day named Mads Christensen who is a media personality that is described as very conservative and this also is regarding his views towards women. Excerpts from a blog by a woman who attended: So here I am at Dell’s huge and very professional summit with founder Michael Dell, top people from Microsoft and Intel, impressive power points, expensive commercials, matching polyester ties and all that jazz, and then the – by Dell chosen – moderator starts to rejoice the lack of women in the room. “The IT business is one of the last frontiers that manages to keep women out. The quota of women to men in your business is sound and healthy” he says. “What are you actually doing here?” he adds to the few women who are actually present in the room. Dell’s moderator continues talking about his two Rolex watches and he then presents the next speaker from Intel. After the break Mads Christensen shares with us his whole “show” about the bitchy women who want’s to steal the power in politics, boards and the home. “Science” he calls it and mentions that all the great inventions come from men. “We can thank women for the rolling pin” he adds. And then the moderator of the day finishes of by asking all (men) in the room to promise him that they will go home and say “Shut up bitch!”. http://elektronista.dk/kommentar/dresscode-blue-tie-and-male/ I feel sick to my stomach. -Sarah -- Sarah Stierch Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow Mind the gap! Support Wikipedia women's outreach: donate today ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] The Dell Summit
Maybe we can boycott Dell until they issue an apology, if they havent already. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 1:01 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure what this has to do with Wikis, but its pretty sad all the same. It was a month ago, and not nearly enough has been made about it. http://news.cnet.com/8301-31322_3-57431869-256/why-we-need-to-keep-talking-about-women-in-tech/ it is getting fresh coverage on reddit too. Not sure why its revived, but it cant hurt to draw extra attention to this. http://www.reddit.com/r/business/comments/tk24s/dell_denmark_had_wellknown_danish_misogynist/ On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Dell held their annual summit this week in Europe. They hired a moderator for the opening day named Mads Christensen who is a media personality that is described as very conservative and this also is regarding his views towards women. Excerpts from a blog by a woman who attended: So here I am at Dell’s huge and very professional summit with founder Michael Dell, top people from Microsoft and Intel, impressive power points, expensive commercials, matching polyester ties and all that jazz, and then the – by Dell chosen – moderator starts to rejoice the lack of women in the room. “The IT business is one of the last frontiers that manages to keep women out. The quota of women to men in your business is sound and healthy” he says. “What are you actually doing here?” he adds to the few women who are actually present in the room. Dell’s moderator continues talking about his two Rolex watches and he then presents the next speaker from Intel. After the break Mads Christensen shares with us his whole “show” about the bitchy women who want’s to steal the power in politics, boards and the home. “Science” he calls it and mentions that all the great inventions come from men. “We can thank women for the rolling pin” he adds. And then the moderator of the day finishes of by asking all (men) in the room to promise him that they will go home and say “Shut up bitch!”. http://elektronista.dk/kommentar/dresscode-blue-tie-and-male/ I feel sick to my stomach. -Sarah -- Sarah Stierch Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow Mind the gap! Support Wikipedia women's outreach: donate today ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- John Vandenberg -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Crowdsourcing better women's imagery (was Re: Article Cumshot in English and German Wikipedia)
Wikimedia Australia has a program to assist photographers purchasing equipment if they use Creative Commons licences and properly describe their images. http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:Camera_equipment_program Adding 'other photography related expenses' would be good. On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 4:03 AM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/6/12 1:54 PM, Caroline Becker wrote: Can we please focus on the idea and facts instead of (in)appropriate tones ? I think that trying a professional Wiki Loves Women before even trying to do it as a crownfounded, volunteer project is, as least, strange. It makes me sad, as a volunteer photographer, to be forgotten or taken for nothing. Hi Caroline. I apologize if the idea (which has barely been fleshed out - it was just a bunch of folks tossing ideas around one day and that one came out and hasn't been touched since, even the title isn't anything official, I just was touching on the crowd sourced idea of say WLM) sounded like we'd be paying people to take photographs, that is not what I intended. I think having quality equipment and being able to support people with what they need financially to make these images happen would be great - whether it's purchasing or renting props, renting a studio space, supporting a chapter to acquire a camera or quality film equipment, etc. I like to think that everyone, like Wiki Loves Monuments, who participates would be volunteers. I am also a volunteer photographer for Commons. I know what type of equipment (whether it's Photoshop or open source applications, decent cameras, film equipment, lighting, etc) that it takes to bring high quality content that is desperately needed for Commons. I think having high quality images taken by participants (whether professional or hobbyist) would make a really impressive impact on article quality! I also think it'd be able to serve as a cool way to encourage professional and hobbyist photographers to participate who might be more interested in taking images of people rather than things (not every photographer likes to take pictures of buildings!). Many photographers have no clue Commons exists, and this could be another interesting way of getting folks involved. Again, this is nothing that I have solidified or set in stone or even thought about since it was discussed last year. I just think it'd be cool to see something that involves community (and not necessarily relies on WMF grants) within and outside Wikimedia to help fix some of the visual problems we have. Love that project idea you just shared! -Sarah I'd like to know what can be done, what has already be tried, what worked and didn't work. If projects like http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sarahdarkmagic/prismatic-art-collection?ref=live has many backers from this list. In one word, to focus on projects and actions. Caroline -- Sarah Stierch Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow Mind the gap! Support Wikipedia women's outreach: donate today ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Article Cumshot in English and German Wikipedia
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: No one here has commented on the fact that the German Wikipedia article uses a special, local version of one of Seedfeeder's images. The German version is more amateurish, and a little more nasty. Compare: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Wiki-facial_cumshot.png http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wiki-cumshot.png I noticed that. However, the German article focuses on the use in pornography, and the nastier image is more appropriate in that setting. The English article about [[Cum shot]] drifts into areas that are more sexuality than pornography, often reproducing content which is on [[Facial (sex act)]]. German Wikipedia doesnt appear to have an article about the sexual act. -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
[Gendergap] Fwd: A Digital Dawn - online today to celebrate IWD
-- Forwarded message -- From: Donna Benjamin do...@digitisethedawn.org Date: Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:01 AM Subject: A Digital Dawn - online today to celebrate IWD To: digitisethedawn digitisethed...@gmail.com International Women's Day 2012 The Dawn is now available online. http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/title/252 Thank you all so much for playing your part in making this happen. -- Digitise The Dawn The campaign to digitise Louisa Lawson's Journal for Australian Women http://digitisethedawn.org http://twitter.com/digitisethedawn ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] [wmau:members] Australian women's national water polo team
Great work Laura and Bidgee! I noticed a problem with the first image page I clicked on. Maybe others have the same problem. https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3ANicola_Zagame.jpgdiff=67465143oldid=67443407 -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] List of lists of women
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:44 AM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: .. By the way, I'm interested in searching for missing female biographies comparing Wikipedia biographical corpora in an automated way and make some lists of red links. I will think about that. I've made an attempt at doing this by using a PD Australian book that included female bios. Of the 21 female bios I could find, 10 didnt appear to have have a WP bio. ;-( https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index_talk:Johns%27s_notable_Australians_1908.djvu I see two women at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedia_articles/DNB,_people_prominent_in_ODNB and many more in the pages at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:DNBFooter The full text of DNB is available on Wikisource: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:WikiProject_DNB/Djvu_files -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] List of lists of women
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 3:44 AM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, that is a possible approach John. But I was speaking about comparing all the biographies between different Wikipedias and discover missing females bios in each one. Ah, thanks for clarifying what you meant. Sorry I didnt understand the first time. That would be quite easy to do. It would be very cool if the cat scan tools allowed us to ask for pages that 1. are in category fr:Category:Femme, and 2. do not have any interwikis By the way, I'm not interested any more in developing tools or statistics for this movement. I recently discovered that WikiWomenCamp[1] is going to exclude men from participating. I unsubscribe from this mailing list. Good luck. I hope you will reconsider that emijrp. You have been a source of inspiration to me and many others. -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Statistics about gender gap
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 8:59 AM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all; Is there any up-to-date statistical tools monitoring gender gap? I have started this basic one[1], and I'm thinking about an analysis of male-female biographies ratio between Wikipedias. Suggestions and links to tools are welcome. Regards, emijrp [1] http://toolserver.org/~emijrp/wmcharts/wmchart0010.html Great tool. The following projects have good female participation: plwikisource_p dewikisource_p eswikisource_p frwikisource_p enwikisource_p itwikisource_p (does anyone notice a common theme ... ;P) dewikinews_p dewikiversity_p frwikibooks_p frwiktionary_p It would be nice to have a list of projects ranked by female participation rate, using this metric and others that people devise. -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Commons Searches
On 10/14/11, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote: Ryan, Creating galleries would mitigate the problem for these half-dozen searches (though not eliminate it, as users would still have the option of searching Commons rather than navigating to a Commons page). But it's like the story of the Dutch boy trying to plug a hole in the levee with his finger. We arnt one dutch boy. We are legion dutch boys (and an increasing number of girls) taking turns to plug the metaphorical hole in the levee, and we scan the wall for new holes. And we build houses and windmills at the same time. We massively distribute tasks while we wait for the developers to create permanent fixes or create preventative tools. (Searching for levee in Commons brings up an image of a naked Suicide Girl called Levee in third place.) Its a thumbnail for !@#$ sake, and anyone who finds that image offensive should turn off their internet connection. I am sure you'll be appalled that libraries include nude pictures in their search results, often when searching for something else. http://trove.nla.gov.au/picture/result?q=contemporary+north+america+20th+century fix the metadata. create a gallery page. create a category and populate it. etc p.s. abstract art offends me. Can we please remove media related to John Levee's from the Commons search results for the term 'Levee'. ;-) We should be under no illusion that we can find all search terms whose results violate the principle of least surprise, presenting adult images for everyday search terms. New such situations arise on a daily basis, each time someone uploads an explicit file that has a plausible search term in its name and description (try searching Commons for eating, and then search for drinking; or try finding images of Prince Albert). The ordering of the search results isnt ideal. Have you raised a bug? It puts too much weight on the filename, which isnt good because recommend against rename, so the current search results are gamable by the uploader. We should simply offer safe search, like Google does. Google provides safe search. They need to convert 'the internet' into a search results page that their customer wants to see, and the Internet has a whole lot of stuff that 99% of the world never wants to see. Wikipedia provides encyclopedic information. Commons provides a depository of media, and if you search for keywords in the metadata you'll see thumbnails of the matching media. -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Women on Wikimedia group
Have wikichix-l talked about possible solutions to the gender gap? -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] WikiChix
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I've had a few conversations, and heard/read a number of comments about the term WikiChix. Now I've never been much of a chick, and it seems other women tend to agree in the terminology as being a bit...hokey, old school and not the most contemporary. I'd like to see how we can re-develop the concept into something else. I've been using just the simple term of Women in Wikimedia etc, but I know that's not the most quirky or exciting sound term when it comes to trying to be clever at a luncheon or whatever. There's also the Women of Wikimedia but WoW...hehe... Oh is this a Warcraft meet-up? I also joined the WikiChix mailing list over a month and ago and there has been no activity. I'm starting to think perhaps we can retire the term for the sake of contemporary thinking. But, perhaps I'm just being uber and everyone thinks it's the cutest name ever and should be kept. Thoughts? If you contribute to Wikisource, you can become a wikisourcerer, which has a nice ring to it.. -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Hairdresser
very nice. -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Question for the Foundation about photographs of women
If someone sees an image of themself which they want removed, they can 1. email OTRS. whether the request is received by a volunteer and/or anonymous person shouldn't matter. The OTRS policies do matter, esp. the privacy policy. For added privacy, they should email oversight-en-wp or the commons oversight email address (?). If the complaint includes unresolved legalities, the OTRS ticket (i.e. email thread) will be sent to the legal team, who are not (afaik) anonymous. 2. create a wiki account and nominate the image for deletion. 3. use the laws available to them. Are they expected to give their real name, It depends on the option they take and how do they prove the image is of them? If their complaint reaches someone sane, it is unlikely they will be asked to prove anything. A simple assertion should be sufficient to cause the OTRS volunteer to investigate the upload. Often the photo was uploaded by an account with very few edits, and the image would be deleted without much fuss. I would like to throw this back in a positive direction. The task of deleting poor quality photographs (and metadata/provenance/paperwork is part of quality) is made much easier if we have good quality photographs of the same topic. Nobody cares about deletions of bad photographs when those photographs are no longer used. They do care when it is the only photo of its kind, because it is a precious resource. As Sarah Stierch points out, our images of sexuality and reproduction are crap, broadly speaking, and our paperwork/processes are self-evidently not good for attracting high quality photographs. What processes should we put in place to encourage good quality photographs of this kind. e.g. should we set up a separate OTRS queue to process the paperwork for these photographs? Should it be managed by verified non-anonymous women only? -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] What to do about sexism when we see it on WP?
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: Nice find Fred. I hadn't read those before. It sounds like revision deletion might be an option in more extreme cases. Less extreme cases should be taken here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts I agree with George that care is needed. Progress will be made when the more obvious etiquette issues are tackled first. Reporting lots of marginal offenses will result in a backlash. -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
