Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: banning "AI"-backed (LLM/GPT/whatever) contributions to Gentoo

2024-03-07 Thread Fco. Javier Felix Belmonte



El 27/2/24 a las 15:45, Michał Górny escribió:

Hello,

Given the recent spread of the "AI" bubble, I think we really need to
look into formally addressing the related concerns.  In my opinion,
at this point the only reasonable course of action would be to safely
ban "AI"-backed contribution entirely.  In other words, explicitly
forbid people from using ChatGPT, Bard, GitHub Copilot, and so on, to
create ebuilds, code, documentation, messages, bug reports and so on for
use in Gentoo.

Just to be clear, I'm talking about our "original" content.  We can't do
much about upstream projects using it.




I think it would be a big mistake, because in the end we are not 
shooting in the foot (I use translate, it doesn't mean the same thing in 
English anyway)
In the end it is a helping tool and in the end there is always human 
intervention to finish the job.


In the end we are going to have to live with AIs in all the environments 
of our lives. The sooner we know how to manage them, the more productive 
we will be.




Rationale:

1. Copyright concerns.  At this point, the copyright situation around
generated content is still unclear.  What's pretty clear is that pretty
much all LLMs are trained on huge corpora of copyrighted material, and
all fancy "AI" companies don't give shit about copyright violations.
In particular, there's a good risk that these tools would yield stuff we
can't legally use.

2. Quality concerns.  LLMs are really great at generating plausibly
looking bullshit.  I suppose they can provide good assistance if you are
careful enough, but we can't really rely on all our contributors being
aware of the risks.

3. Ethical concerns.  As pointed out above, the "AI" corporations don't
give shit about copyright, and don't give shit about people.  The AI
bubble is causing huge energy waste.  It is giving a great excuse for
layoffs and increasing exploitation of IT workers.  It is driving
enshittification of the Internet, it is empowering all kinds of spam
and scam.


Gentoo has always stood out as something different, something that
worked for people for whom mainstream distros were lacking.  I think
adding "made by real people" to the list of our advantages would be
a good thing — but we need to have policies in place, to make sure shit
doesn't flow in.

Compare with the shitstorm at:
https://github.com/pkgxdev/pantry/issues/5358





[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: banning "AI"-backed (LLM/GPT/whatever) contributions to Gentoo

2024-03-07 Thread Duncan
Robin H. Johnson posted on Tue, 5 Mar 2024 06:12:06 + as excerpted:

> The energy waste argument is also one that needs to be made carefully:

Indeed.  In a Gentoo context, condemning AI for the computative energy 
waste?  Maybe someone could argue that effectively.  That someone isn't 
Gentoo.  Something about people living in glass houses throwing stones...

(And overall, I just don't see the original proposal aging well; like a 
regulation that all drivers must carry a buggy-whip... =:^  Absolutely, 
tweak existing policies with some added AI context here or there as others 
have already suggested, but let's leave it at that.)

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