Re: [GNC-dev] Translation
> On Feb 19, 2019, at 8:38 PM, David Cousens wrote: > > in short if come across format specifiers you should leave them in place and > just translate any bits of the stringeither side. Not quite. The translator's job is to make a complete idiomatic sentence in the target language with the substitution in the right place. Unfortunately the printf format used in most of our msgids can't reorder the substitutions if there's more than one so some creativity may be necessary to produce an intelligible result. There should be a "Translators note" comment in the po file explaining what each substitution parameter contains; if not you need to go look at the code reference to figure it out. Regards, John Ralls ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: [GNC-dev] book currency is what ... question mark
Am 20.02.2019 um 14:09 schrieb Wm via gnucash-devel: > On 17/02/2019 19:50, Christian Kluge wrote: >> It might be your so called valuation exercise, but it annoys me very >> much that Finance::Quote doesn’t fetch the daily average quotes from the >> ECB yet. > > Any F::Q valuations should not affect your day to day life, I am well > known for saying gnc is not suitable for trading. Governments generally > don't care about one up or one down in decimal points for most people. Have I said anything about trading? Don’t try to interpret things. I know that the ECB rates are suitable for this case however they are a reference recording value. >> Often times with cash transactions it happens that people use simple >> exchange rates which are nowhere near the actual rates. So I might be >> paying 5 EUR for a service worth 20 PLN according to the receipt, so you >> might assume that the exchange rate is 1 to 4, but the actual rates are >> in a range of 1 to 4.2/4.3. > > My advice is to record the actual values, forget the theoretical > exchange rate as you are unlikely to get it. > >> So unless we’re talking about bank transfers or exchanging real currency >> there are situations where you’d want rates instead of the actual >> amounts exchanged. > > It seem stupid to me to account for what you wished rather than what > happened. > > Did you eat 5EUR worth of some food or 20PLN of some food? The food has > gone inside you and out by now :) > > Accounting is not a youtube thing, you don't value something afterwards > unless it has residual value. Your poo is just that, your poo, no value > in most currencies :) > Let me expand my example: Let’s say I’m doing someone else’s accounts and going through the liabilities first and see an invoice for 20 PLN. Then I don’t go through the bank statements first and try to find this transaction for the real value transferred but use the (monthly average) ECB quote. I don’t know how it’s done in the UK but in the end a balance sheet has to be in Euro in Germany, so it has to be converted anyway. Kind regards Christian Kluge ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: [GNC-dev] Translation
William, Am 20.02.19 um 16:36 schrieb Wm via gnucash-devel: > On 20/02/2019 13:27, Frank H. Ellenberger wrote: > >> We always suggest to create at first and submit >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Translation#The_glossary_file >> which has also some explanation of the terms. >> >> While we got your fa.po, we never got a glossary/fa.po from you. >> I know you are using the translation project and there they are not >> common, but sometimes they are handy. :-) > > Frank, is this about eliding all references to debt or similar? There > was another thread asking for references to mortgages to be removed. > > I don't have a problem with Islamic finance, it just seems silly to me > to remove all references to it. If person doesn't like it they > shouldn't use it, that is their choice. Denying the existence of > borrowing costing money or similar seems bizarre. > From the page: > This file contains a bunch of commonly used terms found in GnuCash - and the explanation of a few very specific for GnuCash [...] > If you detect an important term which is missing or could be better explained, open a bug and add a patch for the source file gnc-glossary.txt. I have also no problem with the Islamic perspective, which is the same as the medieval Christian view. Frank ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: [GNC-dev] Translation
On 20/02/2019 13:27, Frank H. Ellenberger wrote: We always suggest to create at first and submit https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Translation#The_glossary_file which has also some explanation of the terms. While we got your fa.po, we never got a glossary/fa.po from you. I know you are using the translation project and there they are not common, but sometimes they are handy. :-) Frank, is this about eliding all references to debt or similar? There was another thread asking for references to mortgages to be removed. I don't have a problem with Islamic finance, it just seems silly to me to remove all references to it. If person doesn't like it they shouldn't use it, that is their choice. Denying the existence of borrowing costing money or similar seems bizarre. -- Wm ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: [GNC-dev] ECB Daily Average Quotes
On 18/02/2019 21:15, John Ralls wrote: On Feb 18, 2019, at 7:34 AM, Frank H. Ellenberger wrote: Yes https://www.ecb.europa.eu/stats/policy_and_exchange_rates/euro_reference_exchange_rates/html/index.en.html offers also several download formats Including an XML one, so it would be possible to write an F::Q module that retrieves the current day's XML file and extracts a currency rate. There's also a CSV download, but it would take some massaging to make it usable to be imported with the price csv importer. Sure, but you'd be left wondering "what am I going to do with these new numbers". -- Wm ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: [GNC-dev] ECB Daily Average Quotes
On 18/02/2019 15:01, John Ralls wrote: On Feb 17, 2019, at 11:50 AM, Christian Kluge wrote: It might be your so called valuation exercise, but it annoys me very much that Finance::Quote doesn’t fetch the daily average quotes from the ECB yet. Are they published on a website somewhere in a way that a computer can digest them? Screen-scraping is OK, several of the F::Q modules do that, it's just fragile. For most people ECB rates are just something you use to say what you got, etc. It isn't realistically tradeable for most people outside of the futures, spread betting and similar markets. Let me put it this way, no matter how much you try to affect the ECB by buying or selling it, the ECB is probably just going to be the same anyway. HTH -- Wm ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: [GNC-dev] Translation
Hamid, Am 20.02.19 um 04:55 schrieb Hamidreza Jafari: > Is it the same in this string? That is it refers to conditions? > > Term "%s" is in use. You cannot delete it. Most of such symbols are explained in https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Translation#Special_characters_and_other_tips > Also bill and billing both appear in the strings. Any distinction that one > must notice? What is the practical difference between bill and invoice? The > following string combines many of these seemingly similar words: > > Display the invoice billing terms? We always suggest to create at first and submit https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Translation#The_glossary_file which has also some explanation of the terms. While we got your fa.po, we never got a glossary/fa.po from you. I know you are using the translation project and there they are not common, but sometimes they are handy. :-) > Regards, > Hamid > > On سهشنبه ۱۹ فوریهٔ ۲۰۱۹ ۱۰:۳۴:۵۵ (+0330) David Cousens wrote: : Regards Frank ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: [GNC-dev] book currency is what ... question mark
On 18/02/2019 19:15, Christian Kluge wrote: There is one exception to this being VAT calculation. Sect 16 Par 6 of the German VAT act stats that foreign currency amounts should be converted with the monthly ECB averages or the actual daily rates. https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/ustg_1980/__16.html Of course you’d record the full 5 EUR but a rate of 1 to 4.2 only 4.76 EUR would be subject to VAT. Herr Kluge, this is a user issue not a dev issue. Have a look at https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists and work out which list you should be posting to. Your english skills are good so I'd suggest https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user and https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-de for de specific stuff. I notice in passing that we have language specific groups rather than political orientation groups, I think we might need .EU .USA .GB soon :( -- Wm ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: [GNC-dev] book currency is what ... question mark
On 17/02/2019 19:50, Christian Kluge wrote: Am 17.02.2019 um 19:58 schrieb Wm via gnucash-devel: On 15/02/2019 01:44, David Cousens wrote: If I start in Savings RUB , select the Savings EUR account and enter 100 it is assumed to be in RUB not EUR as GnuCash operates at present. This is clear, both registers are balanced and it is clear that they are correct. I am presuming what you would like is to be able to start in the Savings RUB register, select the Savings EUR account, enter 100.00 as the amount and have that interpreted as !00.00EUR, even though the register currency is RUB and then when you tab to the next line select Savings RUB have the currency dialog popup, enter or fetch the exchange rate, and then display the amount against the Savings RUB account in RUB. Nope. I normally know the exact amounts at either end of significant tx, the exchange rate is implied from the numbers. That *is* the right way of doing the accounting. You start with 100 of some currency and end up with 2300 of some other currency, the *valuation* is separate. What about the situations you don’t know the exact numbers or if you’re allowed to usage average exchange rates for tax accounting. The real amount exchanged doesn’t matter there/will be sorted out with correcting expense/income transaction. It is your (and my and everyone else's) personal responsibility to account correctly. You give an example below. It might be your so called valuation exercise, but it annoys me very much that Finance::Quote doesn’t fetch the daily average quotes from the ECB yet. Any F::Q valuations should not affect your day to day life, I am well known for saying gnc is not suitable for trading. Governments generally don't care about one up or one down in decimal points for most people. Often times with cash transactions it happens that people use simple exchange rates which are nowhere near the actual rates. So I might be paying 5 EUR for a service worth 20 PLN according to the receipt, so you might assume that the exchange rate is 1 to 4, but the actual rates are in a range of 1 to 4.2/4.3. My advice is to record the actual values, forget the theoretical exchange rate as you are unlikely to get it. So unless we’re talking about bank transfers or exchanging real currency there are situations where you’d want rates instead of the actual amounts exchanged. It seem stupid to me to account for what you wished rather than what happened. Did you eat 5EUR worth of some food or 20PLN of some food? The food has gone inside you and out by now :) Accounting is not a youtube thing, you don't value something afterwards unless it has residual value. Your poo is just that, your poo, no value in most currencies :) I also wanted to add that the bug with not being able to see the currency exchange rates in the price list also effects me running 3.4 with the sqlite backend. Most of that is fixed in the test version I am using. There is a small bug left over if you need to change a price after it has been fetched. https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797046 for reference I can however add the rates to the list and they’re used in transactions and listed on balance sheets if requested. That is normal service :) -- Wm ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: [GNC-dev] book currency is what ... question mark
On 15/02/2019 01:44, David Cousens wrote: I haven't read all the recent list replies yet but I think this sort of thing If the book currency is USD (or AUD or any other third currency) then the currency conversion becomes EUR<->USD<->RUB. The double conversions involved to the EUR and RUB may introduce scope for rounding errors to produce slightly different results on conversion back. It also assumes that EUR->USD-> RUB will give the same result as EUR->RUB. Where the exchange rates are good to 6 significant figures, this appears to be OK using today's figures (https://www.xe.com/currencyconverter): 1 EUR=75.3052 roubles 1 EUR =1.12958 USD 1 USD = 66.6667 RUB => 1 EUR = 75.3054 RUB. is certainly part of the reason why the TB is going wrong. Congratulations on your prescience :) add yourself to https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797097 if you're really interested. -- Wm ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
