Re: [GNC-dev] GTK3 Mnemonics

[John Ralls]

> On Oct 20, 2018, at 5:01 AM, Frank H. Ellenberger 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> Am 20.10.18 um 08:30 schrieb Chris Good:
>> Hi Frank,
>> 
>> In your edit of the gtk3 wiki [1], you added in part:
>> 
>> === Circumvent Bad GTK3 Design decisions ===
>>   Get Visible Mnenomics Back 
>> Since GTK3.10 the underlines of the mnenomics are only visible after you
>> hovered the mouse over the element ''and'' pressed alt. 
>> 
>> In $SCOPE/gtk-3.0/settings.ini, add a line:
>> 
>> 
>> [Settings]
>> # Visible Mnenomics
>> gtk-menu-images = true
>> 
>> 
>> which I was glad to see as I had noticed mnemonics seemed to have
>> disappeared from GC 3.
> 
> while my current working area is testing translations and eventually get
> the GUI closer to what I had thought is the HIG, I stumbled in this
> changes in GTK. So I started, to write down, what I collected from the
> internet. Some notes might be incomplete or outdated. So feel free to
> improve them.
> 
>> I tested setting ' gtk-menu-images = true' in settings.ini (Windows 10,
>> GC3.1) and it doesn't seem to do anything for me.
>> 
>> https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkSettings.htm indicates
>>  gtk-menu-images
>>  gtk-auto-mnemonics
>>  gtk-enable-mnemonics
>> have been deprecated since version 3.10.
>> 
>> In Windows the behaviour I see is that the first time the right click
>> transaction menu appears, mnemonics are NOT shown, but if you either:
>>  Go into a dialog, say Duplicate Transaction, a couple of times (with or
>> without using the Alt key (mnemonic activator))
>>  Or Go into a dialog, say Duplicate Transaction, and use the Alt key
>>  Or Use the Alt key in the right click transaction menu
>> mnemonics are shown from then on in the right click transaction menu.
>> 
>> Note for me, it is not needed to hover the mouse pointer over the element,
>> just hold the Alt key for approx. half to 1 second.
>> 
>> It seems to me that GTK3 wishes to remove any options for using mnemonics
>> and just turn it on using the mnemonic activator key.
>> Can anyone verify that or provide links that indicate how it should work?
> 
> As you noted, the GTK manual is not very helpful. In other, secondary
> sources I read the devs think, it is cluttering the appearance. If they
> think, a cool look is more important than usability ...
> 
> But probably John knows more about this decisions and alternative
> approaches.
> 
>> [1]
>> https://code.gnucash.org/wiki/index.php?title=GTK3=14720=14717 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards, Chris Good

No, not really. I try to follow what’s going on but the places I’m lurking 
haven’t yielded much information for the last couple of years.

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC-dev] GTK3 Mnemonics

[Frank H. Ellenberger]

Hi Chris,

Am 20.10.18 um 08:30 schrieb Chris Good:
> Hi Frank,
> 
> In your edit of the gtk3 wiki [1], you added in part:
> 
> === Circumvent Bad GTK3 Design decisions ===
>   Get Visible Mnenomics Back 
> Since GTK3.10 the underlines of the mnenomics are only visible after you
> hovered the mouse over the element ''and'' pressed alt. 
> 
> In $SCOPE/gtk-3.0/settings.ini, add a line:
> 
> 
> [Settings]
> # Visible Mnenomics
> gtk-menu-images = true
> 
> 
> which I was glad to see as I had noticed mnemonics seemed to have
> disappeared from GC 3.

while my current working area is testing translations and eventually get
the GUI closer to what I had thought is the HIG, I stumbled in this
changes in GTK. So I started, to write down, what I collected from the
internet. Some notes might be incomplete or outdated. So feel free to
improve them.

> I tested setting ' gtk-menu-images = true' in settings.ini (Windows 10,
> GC3.1) and it doesn't seem to do anything for me.
> 
> https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkSettings.htm indicates
>   gtk-menu-images
>   gtk-auto-mnemonics
>   gtk-enable-mnemonics
> have been deprecated since version 3.10.
> 
> In Windows the behaviour I see is that the first time the right click
> transaction menu appears, mnemonics are NOT shown, but if you either:
>   Go into a dialog, say Duplicate Transaction, a couple of times (with or
> without using the Alt key (mnemonic activator))
>   Or Go into a dialog, say Duplicate Transaction, and use the Alt key
>   Or Use the Alt key in the right click transaction menu
> mnemonics are shown from then on in the right click transaction menu.
> 
> Note for me, it is not needed to hover the mouse pointer over the element,
> just hold the Alt key for approx. half to 1 second.
> 
> It seems to me that GTK3 wishes to remove any options for using mnemonics
> and just turn it on using the mnemonic activator key.
> Can anyone verify that or provide links that indicate how it should work?

As you noted, the GTK manual is not very helpful. In other, secondary
sources I read the devs think, it is cluttering the appearance. If they
think, a cool look is more important than usability ...

But probably John knows more about this decisions and alternative
approaches.

> [1]
> https://code.gnucash.org/wiki/index.php?title=GTK3=14720=14717
> 
> Regards, Chris Good

Regards
Frank

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[GNC-dev] GTK3 Mnemonics

[Chris Good]

Hi Frank,

In your edit of the gtk3 wiki [1], you added in part:

=== Circumvent Bad GTK3 Design decisions ===
  Get Visible Mnenomics Back 
Since GTK3.10 the underlines of the mnenomics are only visible after you
hovered the mouse over the element ''and'' pressed alt. 

In $SCOPE/gtk-3.0/settings.ini, add a line:


[Settings]
# Visible Mnenomics
gtk-menu-images = true


which I was glad to see as I had noticed mnemonics seemed to have
disappeared from GC 3.

I tested setting ' gtk-menu-images = true' in settings.ini (Windows 10,
GC3.1) and it doesn't seem to do anything for me.

https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkSettings.htm indicates
  gtk-menu-images
  gtk-auto-mnemonics
  gtk-enable-mnemonics
have been deprecated since version 3.10.

In Windows the behaviour I see is that the first time the right click
transaction menu appears, mnemonics are NOT shown, but if you either:
  Go into a dialog, say Duplicate Transaction, a couple of times (with or
without using the Alt key (mnemonic activator))
  Or Go into a dialog, say Duplicate Transaction, and use the Alt key
  Or Use the Alt key in the right click transaction menu
mnemonics are shown from then on in the right click transaction menu.

Note for me, it is not needed to hover the mouse pointer over the element,
just hold the Alt key for approx. half to 1 second.

It seems to me that GTK3 wishes to remove any options for using mnemonics
and just turn it on using the mnemonic activator key.
Can anyone verify that or provide links that indicate how it should work?

[1]
https://code.gnucash.org/wiki/index.php?title=GTK3=14720=14717

Regards, Chris Good


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