Re: [GNC-dev] Wiki enable Maths extensions - requirements
Frank, Most browsers can usually handle maths already. Certainly Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Edge for PC's laptops, Android and iPhone that I am aware of. The extensions are normally added to the server, so that it can supply the text in the appropriate form to the browser. I use the Wiki markup a fair bit on Wikipedia pages and a few physics and maths forums and once its setup, it is pretty transparent to the viewer of the page. On Linux it is a module texcv which is loaded and a few changes to the Wikimedia config files to enable it. Most mathematicians/physicists tend to use Tex for maths markup because it is complete and conforms to the typesetting requirements of publishers and it was available back in the dark ages before anyone had heard of a markup language. I first used it around 1980 for a thesis. As the MathML markups are incorporated in a lot of wordprocessors these days that may change. MathML<->Tex converters are readily available. The Wiki Media setup seems to able to use both but I am not sure on that. David On Wed, 2018-12-19 at 18:40 +0100, Frank H. Ellenberger wrote: > Hi David, > > Am 17.12.18 um 04:45 schrieb David Cousens: > > Hi > > > > Could some one with the appropriate authorization possibly add the Wiki > > Media Maths extension to the server? > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math/advancedSettings > > > > I am using a bit of maths to describe setting up non interest bearing loans > > and it is proving difficult to layout in just HTML > > > > Thanks > > > > David Cousens > > today I looked at > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math#Viewing_math > and it seems, the users have to install fonts and many also extensions > for their browsers to see Maths in the wiki pages. > > While I think MathML should be today the first choice to write formulas, > I have doubts, we can expect from most users to install browser extensions. > > Any suggestions? > Frank > ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: [GNC-dev] Wiki enable Maths extensions - requirements
Hi David, Am 17.12.18 um 04:45 schrieb David Cousens: > Hi > > Could some one with the appropriate authorization possibly add the Wiki > Media Maths extension to the server? > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math/advancedSettings > > I am using a bit of maths to describe setting up non interest bearing loans > and it is proving difficult to layout in just HTML > > Thanks > > David Cousens today I looked at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math#Viewing_math and it seems, the users have to install fonts and many also extensions for their browsers to see Maths in the wiki pages. While I think MathML should be today the first choice to write formulas, I have doubts, we can expect from most users to install browser extensions. Any suggestions? Frank ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: [GNC-dev] Wiki enable Maths extensions
David Cousens writes: > Hi Adrien, > > I am not too worried about the short term but having images in the wiki for > maths content makes it much harder for future maintenance. I can work around > it until Derek gets round to adding the maths rendering capability to the > Wiki. As a side note, I'm curious what math objects you really need for a GnuCash wiki. > David -derek -- Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH warl...@mit.eduPGP key available ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: [GNC-dev] Wiki enable Maths extensions
Hi Steve, If you want to contibute the best start is to joint the GnuCash Dev and GnuCash User mailing lists https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists as suggested The mailing lists are also accessible via a Nabble web interface which I find easier to use than email but that is a personal preference. http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/. One thing that is not obvious is you need to register separately for the mailing lists and the Nabble interface otherwise your posts end up in moderation limbo for a time. Same credentials seems to work OK. If you are replying by email the use the Reply to All or Reply to List to make sure posts reach the list so that all the list contributors can see and respond. The Dev list doesn't have a lot of traffic at times, usually increases around a rlease. I think a lot of main developers also use the IRC channel regularly. The GnuCash code can be daunting to find your way round at first. I have found Sourcetrail useful in that regard for finding linked code in the different sections. Code documentation is fairly sparse. Are you using GnuCash as a user? That may help with some familiararity with the terminolgy. If not http://www.gnucash.org/docs.phtml will give you an introduction The Wiki has a development page which links some other information relevant for the process. https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Development https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Development_Process The core developers at the moment are Geert Janssens, John Ralls and Derek Atkins. There is also a list of the historical developers somewhere in the code base. Some are still actively working on the code. There is also a documentation team and a separate github repository for the docs. Good luck David Cousens On Tue, 2018-12-18 at 01:26 +, Steve Aldrich wrote: > Hi David, My name is Steve Aldrich. I am a software engineer with about 30 > years of experience. I have a bachelor's > and master's degree in computer science. I am able to help with the gnu cash > development. > I looked on the web and one reccomendation was "get on a mailing list and see > what's happening." So, I did that, and > that's how I got your name. I don't really follow anything that is discussed. > > Here's the bottom line. If anyone wants a very good programmer to help out I > can do that. I've written programs since > the 70s and used everything from Ada to Xerces. > > Please let me know if anyone can give me some kind of assignment or help me > find a place to contribute. > Feel free to pass this note along to anyone else in the chain. > > Thanks, > Steve Aldrich > Bozeman MT, USA > > On Sunday, December 16, 2018, 8:46:03 PM MST, David Cousens > wrote: > > > Hi > > Could some one with the appropriate authorization possibly add the Wiki > Media Maths extension to the server? > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math/advancedSettings > > I am using a bit of maths to describe setting up non interest bearing loans > and it is proving difficult to layout in just HTML > > Thanks > > David Cousens > > > > - > David Cousens > -- > Sent from: http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-Dev-f1435356.html > ___ > gnucash-devel mailing list > gnucash-devel@gnucash.org > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: [GNC-dev] Wiki enable Maths extensions
Hi Adrien, I am not too worried about the short term but having images in the wiki for maths content makes it much harder for future maintenance. I can work around it until Derek gets round to adding the maths rendering capability to the Wiki. David - David Cousens -- Sent from: http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-Dev-f1435356.html ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: [GNC-dev] Wiki enable Maths extensions
LibreOffice has a pretty decent math component, though not nearly as good as Tex I’m sure. Regards, Adrien. > On Dec 17, 2018, at 2:39 PM, David Cousens wrote: > > Thanks Derek, > > I'll send a reminder in the new year. I may be able to do it by setting it up > in a Tex editor and doing a screenshot > but that makes it much harder to edit in future. Have a nice Christmas. > > David > > On Mon, 2018-12-17 at 09:47 -0500, Derek Atkins wrote: >> Hi, >> >> David Cousens writes: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> Could some one with the appropriate authorization possibly add the Wiki >>> Media Maths extension to the server? >>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math/advancedSettings >>> >>> I am using a bit of maths to describe setting up non interest bearing loans >>> and it is proving difficult to layout in just HTML >> >> I was reading over this and it seems pretty complicated to install. >> It's not a simple "pull down and turn on" plugin -- it requires building >> or configuring some additional services. >> >> I will try to find the time to do this, but I don't think it will happen >> this calendar year (I'm going on holiday Friday for 2 weeks and expect >> to have very little time during that period). >> >> Please remind me Jan 7 if I don't get back to you by then. >> >>> Thanks >>> >>> David Cousens >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> David Cousens >>> -- >>> Sent from: http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-Dev-f1435356.html >>> ___ >>> gnucash-devel mailing list >>> gnucash-devel@gnucash.org >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel >>> >>> >> >> > > ___ > gnucash-devel mailing list > gnucash-devel@gnucash.org > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel > ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: [GNC-dev] Wiki enable Maths extensions
Thanks Derek, I'll send a reminder in the new year. I may be able to do it by setting it up in a Tex editor and doing a screenshot but that makes it much harder to edit in future. Have a nice Christmas. David On Mon, 2018-12-17 at 09:47 -0500, Derek Atkins wrote: > Hi, > > David Cousens writes: > > > Hi > > > > Could some one with the appropriate authorization possibly add the Wiki > > Media Maths extension to the server? > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math/advancedSettings > > > > I am using a bit of maths to describe setting up non interest bearing loans > > and it is proving difficult to layout in just HTML > > I was reading over this and it seems pretty complicated to install. > It's not a simple "pull down and turn on" plugin -- it requires building > or configuring some additional services. > > I will try to find the time to do this, but I don't think it will happen > this calendar year (I'm going on holiday Friday for 2 weeks and expect > to have very little time during that period). > > Please remind me Jan 7 if I don't get back to you by then. > > > Thanks > > > > David Cousens > > > > > > > > - > > David Cousens > > -- > > Sent from: http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-Dev-f1435356.html > > ___ > > gnucash-devel mailing list > > gnucash-devel@gnucash.org > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel > > > > > > ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
Re: [GNC-dev] Wiki enable Maths extensions
Hi, David Cousens writes: > Hi > > Could some one with the appropriate authorization possibly add the Wiki > Media Maths extension to the server? > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math/advancedSettings > > I am using a bit of maths to describe setting up non interest bearing loans > and it is proving difficult to layout in just HTML I was reading over this and it seems pretty complicated to install. It's not a simple "pull down and turn on" plugin -- it requires building or configuring some additional services. I will try to find the time to do this, but I don't think it will happen this calendar year (I'm going on holiday Friday for 2 weeks and expect to have very little time during that period). Please remind me Jan 7 if I don't get back to you by then. > Thanks > > David Cousens > > > > - > David Cousens > -- > Sent from: http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-Dev-f1435356.html > ___ > gnucash-devel mailing list > gnucash-devel@gnucash.org > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel > > -- Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH warl...@mit.eduPGP key available ___ gnucash-devel mailing list gnucash-devel@gnucash.org https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel
