Re: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?

[Chris Skudder]

I wonder if Reports>Transaction Report might do it, with this option -
    - Click "Edit options", go to "General" tab
        Change "Date Filter" to filter on "Date Entered"
        Set start date = the date on which you sent the file to your 
accountant

        ... end date= the day you're doing the report
    That would seem to tell you what the accountant did.

If the accountant didn't do too many txn's, might be easiest, or at 
least possible, to just enter them by hand into your "master" file. As 
far as automating this entry part, someone else has already mentioned 
logfiles. I can't think of another or better way to do it automatically.


HTH, good luck,
Chris

On 1/19/24 12:00p, gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org wrote:

Message: 5 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2024 06:50:29 -0700
From: Simon Roberts 
To: Gnucash Users 
Subject: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?
Message-ID: 



Hi all,

Does GNC provide any mechanism for comparing two versions of the same 
set of accounts?


I'll be sending my books to my accountant soon, and I imagine they 
will have some corrections/adjustments. I'll be giving them a laptop 
with GNC installed, so they can most easily browse, and it occurs to 
me that they could also make their changes in place. But, unless they 
write down separately every entry they create or change, I would need 
to somehow re-integrate their work with my "master" file. Either that, 
or I'd have to freeze my bookkeeping while they're working on things, 
and that's likely to take too long to be acceptable.


With the hostage-taker's rent-ware that I used to use, there was a 
specific mechanism for an "accountant's copy" and a means to merge the 
changes back automatically. But I've failed to find this in the docs 
for GNC (quite possibly as a result of poor / uninspired searching!)


Is this supported directly? Is this something folks have found an 
approach for? I suppose, as a not quite worst case, I could simply 
diff the XML file itself, but that's going to produce results that 
will be somewhat messy, at best. But at least I'd know something about 
what changed.


What ideas can you offer (or manual pages, if I've failed that 
embarrassingly!)


TIA, Simon
-- Simon Roberts 303 249 3613

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Re: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?

[Adrien Monteleone]

Along with the idea of exporting your present book via CSV, when you get 
back the file from the accountant, export that book as CSV too. Then do 
a diff on the CSV files.


Those should be less messy to read than the XML.

You could then take the diff results as a CSV and import them.

Regards,
Adrien

On 1/19/24 7:50 AM, Simon Roberts wrote:

Does GNC provide any mechanism for comparing two versions of the same set
of accounts?

I'll be sending my books to my accountant soon, and I imagine they will
have some corrections/adjustments. I'll be giving them a laptop with GNC
installed, so they can most easily browse, and it occurs to me that they
could also make their changes in place. But, unless they write down
separately every entry they create or change, I would need to somehow
re-integrate their work with my "master" file. Either that, or I'd have to
freeze my bookkeeping while they're working on things, and that's likely to
take too long to be acceptable.

With the hostage-taker's rent-ware that I used to use, there was a specific
mechanism for an "accountant's copy" and a means to merge the changes back
automatically. But I've failed to find this in the docs for GNC (quite
possibly as a result of poor / uninspired searching!)

Is this supported directly? Is this something folks have found an approach
for? I suppose, as a not quite worst case, I could simply diff the XML file
itself, but that's going to produce results that will be somewhat messy, at
best. But at least I'd know something about what changed.

What ideas can you offer (or manual pages, if I've failed that
embarrassingly!)


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Re: [GNC] Ssh Xforwarding works for app but not for help

[Adrien Monteleone]

If I'm not mistaken, those entries now simply attempt to open a web 
browser. If your container doesn't have one, then I would expect nothing 
to happen.


Regards,
Adrien

On 1/19/24 12:41 PM, G McAlister wrote:
I'm using Opensuse Leap 15.5 in a Proxmox lxc container to run the 
gnucash app. I can ssh into the container and, with Xforwarding, I can 
use the app remotely on my KDE desktop. Great. However, in the Help 
menu, if I click on either "Tutorial and Concepts Guide" or "Contents", 
those windows don't open on my KDE desktop but on the container console. 
Doesn't seem like an app problem but maybe some detail of forwarding or 
odd behaviour of yelp, the gnome help viewer.


Any thoughts, please?


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[GNC] Ssh Xforwarding works for app but not for help

[G McAlister]

I'm using Opensuse Leap 15.5 in a Proxmox lxc container to run the 
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use the app remotely on my KDE desktop. Great. However, in the Help 
menu, if I click on either "Tutorial and Concepts Guide" or "Contents", 
those windows don't open on my KDE desktop but on the container console. 
Doesn't seem like an app problem but maybe some detail of forwarding or 
odd behaviour of yelp, the gnome help viewer.


Any thoughts, please?
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Re: [GNC] Windows x64 release builds are missing

[Glenn Fowler]

There are security improvements due to more memory address space with
64-bit. Most (but not all) programs also run faster. Also maintaining both
would be additional workload for the GC team that can be used for other
more productive tasks.

On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 3:52 PM David Carlson 
wrote:

> If there is a significant difference (improvement?) in performance with 64
> bit code, I would vote for either releases that automatically choose
> whichever works on the target machine at installation time or alternate
> releases for users to select when downloading instead of waiting until
> Win10 is effectively dead.
>
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 11:07 AM john  wrote:
>
> > Considering that the last 32-bit processor from Intel was the Pentium 4E
> > released in 2004 and the last AMD one was 2005's K5 it's a tiny minority.
> > Regardless of Win11's ability to run 32-bit programs, it requires a
> 64-bit
> > processor (
> > https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications) so
> > when Win10 goes out of support so does the need for 32-bit GnuCash
> builds.
> > We're scheduled to release GnuCash 6 in January 2026 so that seems like
> > the right time to make the switch.
> >
> > Regards,
> > John Ralls
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jan 19, 2024, at 04:03, Stan Brown (using GC 4.14) <
> > stan...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, I don't have any skin in the game, since both my computers have
> > > 64-bit Windows. It just seems a pity to shut out the minority who have
> > > 32-bit Windows.
> > >
> > > But that's a development decision, so I won't keep harping on it.
> > >
> > > Stan Brown
> > > Tehachapi, CA, USA
> > > https://BrownMath.com
> > >
> > > On 2024-01-18 20:21, john wrote:
> > >> What development effort? It's already an option to build GnuCash on
> > >> windows using MinGW64 instead of MinGW32 (setting aside that there's a
> > >> Webkit problem with the Windows build so neither is possible right
> now).
> > >> Most of the Linux distros are 64-bit only, though Debian insists on
> > >> packaging everything for an insane array of hardware: 5.5 is built in
> > >> unstable for alpha, amd64, arm64, armel, armhf, hppa, i386, mips64el,
> > >> ppc64, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x, and  sparc64,
> > >> see https://packages.debian.org/sid/gnucash
> > >> . The Flathub and MacOS
> builds
> > >> support both x86_64 and arm64.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> John Ralls
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Jan 18, 2024, at 14:42, Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)
> > >>>  wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> But, as R Losey pointed out, that would take considerable development
> > >>> effort. Is there any actual benefit to switching to a 64-bit program,
> > >>> and is that benefit large enough to justify the development effort,
> > even
> > >>> if all the needed libraries are available in 64-bit forms.
> > >>>
> > >>> It seems to me that the original poster's argument in favor is that
> > >>> 32-bit programs have been around for a long time. While that's true,
> it
> > >>> doesn't seem to me like any reason to abandon them.
> > >>>
> > >>> Stan Brown
> > >>> Tehachapi, CA, USA
> > >>> https://BrownMath.com
> > >>>
> > >>> On 2024-01-18 13:30, John Ralls wrote:
> >  An x64 build will work only on 64-bit PCs, a 32-bit build works on
> >  both. Windows 11 doesn't support 32-bit and Windows 10, which does
> >  support 32-bit computers, goes end-of-life this May. We don't
> >  "officially" support operating systems after EOL so I guess at some
> >  point after that we can switch to 64-bit builds on Windows.
> > 
> >  Regards,
> >  John Ralls
> > 
> > 
> > > On Jan 18, 2024, at 3:55 AM, * Neustradamus *
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear GnuCash team,
> > >
> > > I would like to know when you will create the Windows x64 release
> > > builds?
> > >
> > > We are in 2024, x64 is here since Windows XP Pro.
> > >
> > > The goal is to have like other softwares, a x64 version in more
> x86.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Neustradamus
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Re: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?

[Patrick James]

I was extending to 2023 changes. For example, if Simon made some insignificant 
change to 2023, let's say a memo (debits = credits = none = memo only) that he 
believed was important, but this does not change the financial condition of 
2023 (or something else that is so insignificant that he can review after 
receiving his books back), then he'd have to track that.
 
I have not carefully studied the database structure, so maybe it's possible to 
capture for export my example of a 2023 memo that was entered in 2024?
 

> On 01/19/2024 1:02 PM PST Gyle McCollam  wrote:
>  
>  
> Assuming that the info sent to the accountants ended at 12/31/2023, Simon 
> could export all 2024 transactions in CSV format as you suggested.  He could 
> then import into the returned files from the accountants and he wouldn't have 
> to track any changes he made.
>  
> The log files are another option, but it would depend on how long they were 
> saved and how long the accountants took.
>  
> 
> Thank You,  
> 
> Gyle McCollam
> 
> Gyle McCollam
> 
> gmccol...@live.com mailto:gmccol...@gyleshomes.com   email
> 
>  
> 
> -
> From: gnucash-user  on 
> behalf of Patrick James 
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2024 12:24 PM
> To: Gnucash Users 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?
>  
> One option might be to use the data log files, information in 2.5.2 here:
> 
> https://code.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-guide/basics-backup1.html
> 
> I have not played around with those much, but I suspect you could backup your 
> master set of books (3-2-1 backup strategy might be used here), and then make 
> a copy of your master set to test the replay of the data log files (.log), as 
> described in the link above.
> 
> Another, separate, option might be for you to keep track of the changes you 
> made, and then export the changes in CSV formation, then import them to the 
> file that's returned from your accountant.
> 
> Check out the CSV import/export information here:
> 
> Export:
> https://gnucash.org/docs/v5/C/gnucash-manual/trans-export.html
> 
> Import:
> https://gnucash.org/docs/v5/C/gnucash-manual/trans-import.html
> 
> 
> 
> > On 01/19/2024 5:50 AM PST Simon Roberts  
> > wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Does GNC provide any mechanism for comparing two versions of the same set
> > of accounts?
> >
> > I'll be sending my books to my accountant soon, and I imagine they will
> > have some corrections/adjustments. I'll be giving them a laptop with GNC
> > installed, so they can most easily browse, and it occurs to me that they
> > could also make their changes in place. But, unless they write down
> > separately every entry they create or change, I would need to somehow
> > re-integrate their work with my "master" file. Either that, or I'd have to
> > freeze my bookkeeping while they're working on things, and that's likely to
> > take too long to be acceptable.
> >
> > With the hostage-taker's rent-ware that I used to use, there was a specific
> > mechanism for an "accountant's copy" and a means to merge the changes back
> > automatically. But I've failed to find this in the docs for GNC (quite
> > possibly as a result of poor / uninspired searching!)
> >
> > Is this supported directly? Is this something folks have found an approach
> > for? I suppose, as a not quite worst case, I could simply diff the XML file
> > itself, but that's going to produce results that will be somewhat messy, at
> > best. But at least I'd know something about what changed.
> >
> > What ideas can you offer (or manual pages, if I've failed that
> > embarrassingly!)
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Re: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?

[Gyle McCollam]

Assuming that the info sent to the accountants ended at 12/31/2023, Simon could 
export all 2024 transactions in CSV format as you suggested.  He could then 
import into the returned files from the accountants and he wouldn't have to 
track any changes he made.

The log files are another option, but it would depend on how long they were 
saved and how long the accountants took.


Thank You,

Gyle McCollam

Gyle McCollam

gmccol...@live.com   email


From: gnucash-user  on 
behalf of Patrick James 
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2024 12:24 PM
To: Gnucash Users 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?

One option might be to use the data log files, information in 2.5.2 here:

https://code.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-guide/basics-backup1.html

I have not played around with those much, but I suspect you could backup your 
master set of books (3-2-1 backup strategy might be used here), and then make a 
copy of your master set to test the replay of the data log files (.log), as 
described in the link above.

Another, separate, option might be for you to keep track of the changes you 
made, and then export the changes in CSV formation, then import them to the 
file that's returned from your accountant.

Check out the CSV import/export information here:

Export:
https://gnucash.org/docs/v5/C/gnucash-manual/trans-export.html

Import:
https://gnucash.org/docs/v5/C/gnucash-manual/trans-import.html



> On 01/19/2024 5:50 AM PST Simon Roberts  
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Does GNC provide any mechanism for comparing two versions of the same set
> of accounts?
>
> I'll be sending my books to my accountant soon, and I imagine they will
> have some corrections/adjustments. I'll be giving them a laptop with GNC
> installed, so they can most easily browse, and it occurs to me that they
> could also make their changes in place. But, unless they write down
> separately every entry they create or change, I would need to somehow
> re-integrate their work with my "master" file. Either that, or I'd have to
> freeze my bookkeeping while they're working on things, and that's likely to
> take too long to be acceptable.
>
> With the hostage-taker's rent-ware that I used to use, there was a specific
> mechanism for an "accountant's copy" and a means to merge the changes back
> automatically. But I've failed to find this in the docs for GNC (quite
> possibly as a result of poor / uninspired searching!)
>
> Is this supported directly? Is this something folks have found an approach
> for? I suppose, as a not quite worst case, I could simply diff the XML file
> itself, but that's going to produce results that will be somewhat messy, at
> best. But at least I'd know something about what changed.
>
> What ideas can you offer (or manual pages, if I've failed that
> embarrassingly!)
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Re: [GNC] Windows x64 release builds are missing

[David Carlson]

If there is a significant difference (improvement?) in performance with 64
bit code, I would vote for either releases that automatically choose
whichever works on the target machine at installation time or alternate
releases for users to select when downloading instead of waiting until
Win10 is effectively dead.

On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 11:07 AM john  wrote:

> Considering that the last 32-bit processor from Intel was the Pentium 4E
> released in 2004 and the last AMD one was 2005's K5 it's a tiny minority.
> Regardless of Win11's ability to run 32-bit programs, it requires a 64-bit
> processor (
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications) so
> when Win10 goes out of support so does the need for 32-bit GnuCash  builds.
> We're scheduled to release GnuCash 6 in January 2026 so that seems like
> the right time to make the switch.
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
>
>
> > On Jan 19, 2024, at 04:03, Stan Brown (using GC 4.14) <
> stan...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> >
> > Well, I don't have any skin in the game, since both my computers have
> > 64-bit Windows. It just seems a pity to shut out the minority who have
> > 32-bit Windows.
> >
> > But that's a development decision, so I won't keep harping on it.
> >
> > Stan Brown
> > Tehachapi, CA, USA
> > https://BrownMath.com
> >
> > On 2024-01-18 20:21, john wrote:
> >> What development effort? It's already an option to build GnuCash on
> >> windows using MinGW64 instead of MinGW32 (setting aside that there's a
> >> Webkit problem with the Windows build so neither is possible right now).
> >> Most of the Linux distros are 64-bit only, though Debian insists on
> >> packaging everything for an insane array of hardware: 5.5 is built in
> >> unstable for alpha, amd64, arm64, armel, armhf, hppa, i386, mips64el,
> >> ppc64, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x, and  sparc64,
> >> see https://packages.debian.org/sid/gnucash
> >> . The Flathub and MacOS builds
> >> support both x86_64 and arm64.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> John Ralls
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jan 18, 2024, at 14:42, Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> But, as R Losey pointed out, that would take considerable development
> >>> effort. Is there any actual benefit to switching to a 64-bit program,
> >>> and is that benefit large enough to justify the development effort,
> even
> >>> if all the needed libraries are available in 64-bit forms.
> >>>
> >>> It seems to me that the original poster's argument in favor is that
> >>> 32-bit programs have been around for a long time. While that's true, it
> >>> doesn't seem to me like any reason to abandon them.
> >>>
> >>> Stan Brown
> >>> Tehachapi, CA, USA
> >>> https://BrownMath.com
> >>>
> >>> On 2024-01-18 13:30, John Ralls wrote:
>  An x64 build will work only on 64-bit PCs, a 32-bit build works on
>  both. Windows 11 doesn't support 32-bit and Windows 10, which does
>  support 32-bit computers, goes end-of-life this May. We don't
>  "officially" support operating systems after EOL so I guess at some
>  point after that we can switch to 64-bit builds on Windows.
> 
>  Regards,
>  John Ralls
> 
> 
> > On Jan 18, 2024, at 3:55 AM, * Neustradamus *
> >  wrote:
> >
> > Dear GnuCash team,
> >
> > I would like to know when you will create the Windows x64 release
> > builds?
> >
> > We are in 2024, x64 is here since Windows XP Pro.
> >
> > The goal is to have like other softwares, a x64 version in more x86.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Neustradamus
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Re: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?

[David Cousens]

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Re: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?

[Glenn Fowler]

Just pointing out that you can increase the default list of 4 most recently
opened books to 10:

https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_I_have_deleted_a_gnucash_file_from_my_computer._How_can_I_remove_that_file_from_the_File_menu.27s_short_list_.28MRU.29_as_well.3F

On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 12:00 PM Michael or Penny Novack <
stepbystepf...@comcast.net> wrote:

>
> Just make sure that after you save a copy (B4A) that you aren't using
> that file going forward as GC usually opens the last saved file.
>
> Unless you have "told" gnucash not to.
>
> Those of us who are keeping multiple sets of books (f0r multiple
> entities) can make like easier by using the --nofile runtime parameter.
> Gnucash will then start without opening any file, letting you choose
> which you want to open. The last four open will be in a drop down list
> you can select from but if you have more than that you'll sometimes need
> to explicitly enter the file name. While in the past I was keeping more
> than four, 90% of the time it was one of the last four open (some of the
> entities only had a few dozen transactions a year -- and often most of
> those within a month or two and inactive pretty much the rest of the year.
>
> Michael D Novack
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Re: [GNC] I did not know this (was: Windows x64 release builds are missing)

[Derek Atkins]

One thing to consider is the ability to run a 64-bit Win-11 build server,
or, rather, HOW we will create a 64-bit windows build server.

-derek

On Fri, January 19, 2024 12:36 pm, Dean Gibson wrote:
> However, I think there were later, technically 64-bit processors that
> did not include a few required 64-bit instructions (eg, "Compare and
> Swap"), so that Win-64 would not install on them.
>
> I think the original Intel & Lenovo "compute sticks" fell into that
> category, circa 2015?
>
> A trip down memory lane.
>
> -- Dean
>
>
>
> On 2024-01-19 09:06, john wrote:
>> Considering that the last 32-bit processor from Intel was the Pentium 4E
>> released in 2004 and the last AMD one was 2005's K5 it's a tiny
>> minority. Regardless of Win11's ability to run 32-bit programs, it
>> requires a 64-bit processor
>> (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications) so
>> when Win10 goes out of support so does the need for 32-bit GnuCash
>> builds.
>> We're scheduled to release GnuCash 6 in January 2026 so that seems like
>> the right time to make the switch.
>>
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
>>
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Re: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?

[Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)]

You need not depend on comparing the account balances by eye. Export
both reports in HTML, which is a text format (as opposed to binary), and
then use a diff utility or comparison program.

In Windows, I have been using the free CSDIFF for many years. The
company that provided it doesn't seem to be in business any more, and
while there are many download locations on the Web I'm always a bit
leery because you never know if one has had malware detected.

I'd be happy to send my saved copy of the ZIP archive on request. If you
want it, please contact me directly since I assume we don't want a 1.3
MB file added to the mailing list's archives.

Stan Brown
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On 2024-01-19 09:23, Simon Roberts wrote:
> Well, that's one possibility I suppose.
> 
> Is this not a feature that would find fairly widespread use? Indeed, is it
> not a feature that might facilitate easier use of the software and
> encourage wider adoption?
> 
> I'm still holding out hope that it might exist already :)
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion Gyle
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 9:41 AM Gyle McCollam  wrote:
> 
>> The quick and dirty solution is to save a copy of what you send to the
>> accounts, under a different name (say: B4A) and when you get back the file
>> from the accountants review the accounts tab of the B4A with the returned
>> file.  That will tell you which accounts have a change in value.  You can
>> then open those accounts and see what changes/corrections they made.  ou
>> can then make those same changes in your current file.  Just make sure that
>> after you save a copy (B4A) that you aren't using that file going forward
>> as GC usually opens the last saved file.
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> *Gyle McCollam*
>>
>> Gyle McCollam
>>
>> gmccol...@live.comemail
>> --
>> *From:* gnucash-user 
>> on behalf of Simon Roberts 
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 19, 2024 8:50 AM
>> *To:* Gnucash Users 
>> *Subject:* [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Does GNC provide any mechanism for comparing two versions of the same set
>> of accounts?
>>
>> I'll be sending my books to my accountant soon, and I imagine they will
>> have some corrections/adjustments. I'll be giving them a laptop with GNC
>> installed, so they can most easily browse, and it occurs to me that they
>> could also make their changes in place. But, unless they write down
>> separately every entry they create or change, I would need to somehow
>> re-integrate their work with my "master" file. Either that, or I'd have to
>> freeze my bookkeeping while they're working on things, and that's likely to
>> take too long to be acceptable.
>>
>> With the hostage-taker's rent-ware that I used to use, there was a specific
>> mechanism for an "accountant's copy" and a means to merge the changes back
>> automatically. But I've failed to find this in the docs for GNC (quite
>> possibly as a result of poor / uninspired searching!)
>>
>> Is this supported directly? Is this something folks have found an approach
>> for? I suppose, as a not quite worst case, I could simply diff the XML file
>> itself, but that's going to produce results that will be somewhat messy, at
>> best. But at least I'd know something about what changed.
>>
>> What ideas can you offer (or manual pages, if I've failed that
>> embarrassingly!)
>>
>> TIA,
>> Simon
>>
>>
>> --
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>> 303 249 3613
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[GNC] I did not know this (was: Windows x64 release builds are missing)

[Dean Gibson]

However, I think there were later, technically 64-bit processors that 
did not include a few required 64-bit instructions (eg, "Compare and 
Swap"), so that Win-64 would not install on them.


I think the original Intel & Lenovo "compute sticks" fell into that 
category, circa 2015?


A trip down memory lane.

-- Dean



On 2024-01-19 09:06, john wrote:

Considering that the last 32-bit processor from Intel was the Pentium 4E 
released in 2004 and the last AMD one was 2005's K5 it's a tiny minority. 
Regardless of Win11's ability to run 32-bit programs, it requires a 64-bit 
processor (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications) 
so when Win10 goes out of support so does the need for 32-bit GnuCash  builds.
We're scheduled to release GnuCash 6 in January 2026 so that seems like the 
right time to make the switch.

Regards,
John Ralls


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Re: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?

[Patrick James]

One option might be to use the data log files, information in 2.5.2 here:

https://code.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-guide/basics-backup1.html

I have not played around with those much, but I suspect you could backup your 
master set of books (3-2-1 backup strategy might be used here), and then make a 
copy of your master set to test the replay of the data log files (.log), as 
described in the link above.

Another, separate, option might be for you to keep track of the changes you 
made, and then export the changes in CSV formation, then import them to the 
file that's returned from your accountant. 

Check out the CSV import/export information here:

Export:
https://gnucash.org/docs/v5/C/gnucash-manual/trans-export.html

Import:
https://gnucash.org/docs/v5/C/gnucash-manual/trans-import.html



> On 01/19/2024 5:50 AM PST Simon Roberts  
> wrote:
> 
>  
> Hi all,
> 
> Does GNC provide any mechanism for comparing two versions of the same set
> of accounts?
> 
> I'll be sending my books to my accountant soon, and I imagine they will
> have some corrections/adjustments. I'll be giving them a laptop with GNC
> installed, so they can most easily browse, and it occurs to me that they
> could also make their changes in place. But, unless they write down
> separately every entry they create or change, I would need to somehow
> re-integrate their work with my "master" file. Either that, or I'd have to
> freeze my bookkeeping while they're working on things, and that's likely to
> take too long to be acceptable.
> 
> With the hostage-taker's rent-ware that I used to use, there was a specific
> mechanism for an "accountant's copy" and a means to merge the changes back
> automatically. But I've failed to find this in the docs for GNC (quite
> possibly as a result of poor / uninspired searching!)
> 
> Is this supported directly? Is this something folks have found an approach
> for? I suppose, as a not quite worst case, I could simply diff the XML file
> itself, but that's going to produce results that will be somewhat messy, at
> best. But at least I'd know something about what changed.
> 
> What ideas can you offer (or manual pages, if I've failed that
> embarrassingly!)
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Re: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?

[Simon Roberts]

Well, that's one possibility I suppose.

Is this not a feature that would find fairly widespread use? Indeed, is it
not a feature that might facilitate easier use of the software and
encourage wider adoption?

I'm still holding out hope that it might exist already :)

Thanks for the suggestion Gyle


On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 9:41 AM Gyle McCollam  wrote:

> The quick and dirty solution is to save a copy of what you send to the
> accounts, under a different name (say: B4A) and when you get back the file
> from the accountants review the accounts tab of the B4A with the returned
> file.  That will tell you which accounts have a change in value.  You can
> then open those accounts and see what changes/corrections they made.  ou
> can then make those same changes in your current file.  Just make sure that
> after you save a copy (B4A) that you aren't using that file going forward
> as GC usually opens the last saved file.
>
> Thank You,
>
> *Gyle McCollam*
>
> Gyle McCollam
>
> gmccol...@live.comemail
> --
> *From:* gnucash-user 
> on behalf of Simon Roberts 
> *Sent:* Friday, January 19, 2024 8:50 AM
> *To:* Gnucash Users 
> *Subject:* [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?
>
> Hi all,
>
> Does GNC provide any mechanism for comparing two versions of the same set
> of accounts?
>
> I'll be sending my books to my accountant soon, and I imagine they will
> have some corrections/adjustments. I'll be giving them a laptop with GNC
> installed, so they can most easily browse, and it occurs to me that they
> could also make their changes in place. But, unless they write down
> separately every entry they create or change, I would need to somehow
> re-integrate their work with my "master" file. Either that, or I'd have to
> freeze my bookkeeping while they're working on things, and that's likely to
> take too long to be acceptable.
>
> With the hostage-taker's rent-ware that I used to use, there was a specific
> mechanism for an "accountant's copy" and a means to merge the changes back
> automatically. But I've failed to find this in the docs for GNC (quite
> possibly as a result of poor / uninspired searching!)
>
> Is this supported directly? Is this something folks have found an approach
> for? I suppose, as a not quite worst case, I could simply diff the XML file
> itself, but that's going to produce results that will be somewhat messy, at
> best. But at least I'd know something about what changed.
>
> What ideas can you offer (or manual pages, if I've failed that
> embarrassingly!)
>
> TIA,
> Simon
>
>
> --
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> 303 249 3613
> https://www.youtube.com/@DancingCloudServices
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonhgroberts/
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Re: [GNC] Windows x64 release builds are missing

[john]

Considering that the last 32-bit processor from Intel was the Pentium 4E 
released in 2004 and the last AMD one was 2005's K5 it's a tiny minority. 
Regardless of Win11's ability to run 32-bit programs, it requires a 64-bit 
processor (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications) 
so when Win10 goes out of support so does the need for 32-bit GnuCash  builds.
We're scheduled to release GnuCash 6 in January 2026 so that seems like the 
right time to make the switch.

Regards,
John Ralls



> On Jan 19, 2024, at 04:03, Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)  
> wrote:
> 
> Well, I don't have any skin in the game, since both my computers have
> 64-bit Windows. It just seems a pity to shut out the minority who have
> 32-bit Windows.
> 
> But that's a development decision, so I won't keep harping on it.
> 
> Stan Brown
> Tehachapi, CA, USA
> https://BrownMath.com
> 
> On 2024-01-18 20:21, john wrote:
>> What development effort? It's already an option to build GnuCash on
>> windows using MinGW64 instead of MinGW32 (setting aside that there's a
>> Webkit problem with the Windows build so neither is possible right now).
>> Most of the Linux distros are 64-bit only, though Debian insists on
>> packaging everything for an insane array of hardware: 5.5 is built in
>> unstable for alpha, amd64, arm64, armel, armhf, hppa, i386, mips64el,
>> ppc64, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x, and  sparc64,
>> see https://packages.debian.org/sid/gnucash
>> . The Flathub and MacOS builds
>> support both x86_64 and arm64.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2024, at 14:42, Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> But, as R Losey pointed out, that would take considerable development
>>> effort. Is there any actual benefit to switching to a 64-bit program,
>>> and is that benefit large enough to justify the development effort, even
>>> if all the needed libraries are available in 64-bit forms.
>>> 
>>> It seems to me that the original poster's argument in favor is that
>>> 32-bit programs have been around for a long time. While that's true, it
>>> doesn't seem to me like any reason to abandon them.
>>> 
>>> Stan Brown
>>> Tehachapi, CA, USA
>>> https://BrownMath.com
>>> 
>>> On 2024-01-18 13:30, John Ralls wrote:
 An x64 build will work only on 64-bit PCs, a 32-bit build works on
 both. Windows 11 doesn't support 32-bit and Windows 10, which does
 support 32-bit computers, goes end-of-life this May. We don't
 "officially" support operating systems after EOL so I guess at some
 point after that we can switch to 64-bit builds on Windows.
 
 Regards,
 John Ralls
 
 
> On Jan 18, 2024, at 3:55 AM, * Neustradamus *
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear GnuCash team,
> 
> I would like to know when you will create the Windows x64 release
> builds?
> 
> We are in 2024, x64 is here since Windows XP Pro.
> 
> The goal is to have like other softwares, a x64 version in more x86.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neustradamus
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Re: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?

[Michael or Penny Novack]

Just make sure that after you save a copy (B4A) that you aren't using 
that file going forward as GC usually opens the last saved file.


Unless you have "told" gnucash not to.

Those of us who are keeping multiple sets of books (f0r multiple 
entities) can make like easier by using the --nofile runtime parameter. 
Gnucash will then start without opening any file, letting you choose 
which you want to open. The last four open will be in a drop down list 
you can select from but if you have more than that you'll sometimes need 
to explicitly enter the file name. While in the past I was keeping more 
than four, 90% of the time it was one of the last four open (some of the 
entities only had a few dozen transactions a year -- and often most of 
those within a month or two and inactive pretty much the rest of the year.


Michael D Novack

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Re: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?

[Gyle McCollam]

The quick and dirty solution is to save a copy of what you send to the 
accounts, under a different name (say: B4A) and when you get back the file from 
the accountants review the accounts tab of the B4A with the returned file.  
That will tell you which accounts have a change in value.  You can then open 
those accounts and see what changes/corrections they made.  ou can then make 
those same changes in your current file.  Just make sure that after you save a 
copy (B4A) that you aren't using that file going forward as GC usually opens 
the last saved file.


Thank You,

Gyle McCollam

Gyle McCollam

gmccol...@live.com   email


From: gnucash-user  on 
behalf of Simon Roberts 
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2024 8:50 AM
To: Gnucash Users 
Subject: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?

Hi all,

Does GNC provide any mechanism for comparing two versions of the same set
of accounts?

I'll be sending my books to my accountant soon, and I imagine they will
have some corrections/adjustments. I'll be giving them a laptop with GNC
installed, so they can most easily browse, and it occurs to me that they
could also make their changes in place. But, unless they write down
separately every entry they create or change, I would need to somehow
re-integrate their work with my "master" file. Either that, or I'd have to
freeze my bookkeeping while they're working on things, and that's likely to
take too long to be acceptable.

With the hostage-taker's rent-ware that I used to use, there was a specific
mechanism for an "accountant's copy" and a means to merge the changes back
automatically. But I've failed to find this in the docs for GNC (quite
possibly as a result of poor / uninspired searching!)

Is this supported directly? Is this something folks have found an approach
for? I suppose, as a not quite worst case, I could simply diff the XML file
itself, but that's going to produce results that will be somewhat messy, at
best. But at least I'd know something about what changed.

What ideas can you offer (or manual pages, if I've failed that
embarrassingly!)

TIA,
Simon


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[GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?

[Simon Roberts]

Hi all,

Does GNC provide any mechanism for comparing two versions of the same set
of accounts?

I'll be sending my books to my accountant soon, and I imagine they will
have some corrections/adjustments. I'll be giving them a laptop with GNC
installed, so they can most easily browse, and it occurs to me that they
could also make their changes in place. But, unless they write down
separately every entry they create or change, I would need to somehow
re-integrate their work with my "master" file. Either that, or I'd have to
freeze my bookkeeping while they're working on things, and that's likely to
take too long to be acceptable.

With the hostage-taker's rent-ware that I used to use, there was a specific
mechanism for an "accountant's copy" and a means to merge the changes back
automatically. But I've failed to find this in the docs for GNC (quite
possibly as a result of poor / uninspired searching!)

Is this supported directly? Is this something folks have found an approach
for? I suppose, as a not quite worst case, I could simply diff the XML file
itself, but that's going to produce results that will be somewhat messy, at
best. But at least I'd know something about what changed.

What ideas can you offer (or manual pages, if I've failed that
embarrassingly!)

TIA,
Simon


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Re: [GNC] Windows x64 release builds are missing

[Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)]

Well, I don't have any skin in the game, since both my computers have
64-bit Windows. It just seems a pity to shut out the minority who have
32-bit Windows.

But that's a development decision, so I won't keep harping on it.

Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
https://BrownMath.com

On 2024-01-18 20:21, john wrote:
> What development effort? It's already an option to build GnuCash on
> windows using MinGW64 instead of MinGW32 (setting aside that there's a
> Webkit problem with the Windows build so neither is possible right now).
> Most of the Linux distros are 64-bit only, though Debian insists on
> packaging everything for an insane array of hardware: 5.5 is built in
> unstable for alpha, amd64, arm64, armel, armhf, hppa, i386, mips64el,
> ppc64, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x, and  sparc64,
> see https://packages.debian.org/sid/gnucash
> . The Flathub and MacOS builds
> support both x86_64 and arm64.
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls
> 
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2024, at 14:42, Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)
>>  wrote:
>>
>> But, as R Losey pointed out, that would take considerable development
>> effort. Is there any actual benefit to switching to a 64-bit program,
>> and is that benefit large enough to justify the development effort, even
>> if all the needed libraries are available in 64-bit forms.
>>
>> It seems to me that the original poster's argument in favor is that
>> 32-bit programs have been around for a long time. While that's true, it
>> doesn't seem to me like any reason to abandon them.
>>
>> Stan Brown
>> Tehachapi, CA, USA
>> https://BrownMath.com
>>
>> On 2024-01-18 13:30, John Ralls wrote:
>>> An x64 build will work only on 64-bit PCs, a 32-bit build works on
>>> both. Windows 11 doesn't support 32-bit and Windows 10, which does
>>> support 32-bit computers, goes end-of-life this May. We don't
>>> "officially" support operating systems after EOL so I guess at some
>>> point after that we can switch to 64-bit builds on Windows.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> John Ralls
>>>
>>>
 On Jan 18, 2024, at 3:55 AM, * Neustradamus *
  wrote:

 Dear GnuCash team,

 I would like to know when you will create the Windows x64 release
 builds?

 We are in 2024, x64 is here since Windows XP Pro.

 The goal is to have like other softwares, a x64 version in more x86.

 Thanks in advance.

 Regards,

 Neustradamus
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