Re: [GNC] Delay during data entry

[William Prescott]

For what it is worth, I don't see any delay at all. I have been using Gnucash 
for years and the data file is over a megabyte in size although that probably 
would only affect saving anyway. I have more than enough memory that entering 
transactions would not involve disk access. Even saving the file is much 
quicker than what you describe.

I am running Gnucash 5.6.1 on MacOS 14.4.1 on an M1 Mac with 64 GB of RAM and 
ample SSD disk space. Helpful responses are more likely if one includes more 
information about the environment surrounding the problem. What hardware and 
operating system are you using?

Best wishes,
Will

On 30 Apr 2024, at 22:49, AC  wrote:

Just as a curiosity what is going on under the hood that influences the delay 
after entering data into a register row? I notice that after I enter the 
details of a transaction into a register and commit the changes (pressing enter 
or tabbing to next row) there is a 5 to 7 second delay before I can enter the 
next transaction.
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Re: [GNC] Help selecting accounts for a report

[William Prescott]

Hello Anna,

I'm not sure if this addresses your question. On MacOS, in general when you 
want to make a discontinuous selection, the Apple Command key is what you need 
(⌘). The shift key will select every thing between the first and second 
click.The command key selects just the first and just the second.

Will

On 24 Dec 2023, at 12:35, Anna Scott  wrote:

Hello helpers! Happy holidays.  Not sure when this might be seen … but crossing 
my fingers. Ive used GNC for a few months in MacOS.  I’ve figured out how to do 
basic reporting by editing the standard options. i now need help in literally 
selecting the accounts for my new income statement.  It would be easy if the 
accounts were all contiguous in my chart of accounts and I’d simply select the 
relevant group. However, i have a group of expenses that I want to match with 
an income account.  I can select each set but not both …to “selectively select” 
 I’ve tried things like holding down shift key so i can skip to only relevant 
accounts.  Is there a simple shift/option/control/command whatever set of 
keystrokes i need to know?   

I hope that makes sense.  Anyway, y’all have a happy holiday and I’m very 
grateful for those who invest time in helping others.  I’ll try to pay it 
forward,

A

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 30, 2023, at 22:06, Peter Lamb  wrote:
> 
> No problem, I'm glad you've sorted it out.
> 
> Peter
> 
>> On 1/10/2023 13:52, Anna Scott wrote:
>> Thank you so much Peter!  I found the pathway and was able to successfully 
>> reauthorize it again. Whew!   I realized later that the other significant 
>> event today was that I updated my Mac software just before this happened, so 
>> this appears to be a new security feature … anyway I’m super grateful for 
>> you taking time to help me out. Have a wonderful weekend,
>> A
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Sep 30, 2023, at 18:37, Peter Lamb  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Assuming that you have a Mac (you didn't say, but the message sounds 
>>> Mac-ish):
>>> System Settings>Privacy & Security>Files and Folders, scroll down to 
>>> Gnucash, click on the ">" to the left of "Gnucash" and switch on Documents 
>>> Folder.
>>> 
>>> Peter
>>> 
 On 1/10/2023 10:41, Anna Scott wrote:
 Hello helpers … this is my first question after setting up Gnucash.  When 
 I tried to open the data file today it unexpectedly asked if I wanted 
 Gnucash to access my document folders.  Id never been asked that before 
 and in the interests of security said no.  Of course now when I tried to 
 open my data file it refuses and says it doesn’t have permission!  UGH how 
 can I correct this?  Thanks in advance for all who support this product
 
 A
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Re: [GNC] How to delete unposted invoice?

[William Prescott]

I don't use invoices so this may not be applicable, but for transactions...

If you are inside the transaction, the delete button will just delete the line 
you are on.
But if you just click on the transaction without starting to edit it, the 
delete button will delete the entire transaction.

So maybe you need to finish entering it, then delete it.

Will



On 13 Dec 2023, at 13:46, Eric Chapman  wrote:

I accidentally put in an invoice dated 01/01/2023 for a customer. There are no 
amounts in it (i.e., it's zero). I can't figure out how to delete it.

Attached is a screenshot of the invoice. I've tried "Delete" and "Cancel", but 
don't know what else to try.

Thank you!

-- 
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GnuCash 5.4 on MacOS 14.1 Sonoma running on an Apple M3 Max computer.
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Re: [GNC] Use again GnuCash

[William Prescott]

Another workaround is to keep the master copy on the iCloud drive, then use the 
Finder to copy it to a local folder before opening it, then copy it back to the 
iCloud drive after saving changes.

Will

On 5 Aug 2023, at 11:45, john  wrote:

Unfortunately the iCloud folder isn't available using Gtk's file chooser so 
it's not feasible to support it in GnuCash. Google Drive has implemented a 
similar arrangement so that it's also invisible to Gtk's file chooser. I don't 
know about other services.

I work around that limitation by keeping my GnuCash data in a dmg that lives in 
a Google Drive folder. I can mount the dmg and access it from /Volumes, which 
is visible to Gtk file chooser.

Regards,
John Ralls


> On Aug 5, 2023, at 07:54, Derek Atkins  > wrote:
> 
> Sorry, that's beyond my Mac knowledge.
> Hopefully a Mac user will be able to answer that for you.
> My GUESS is that you just need to File -> Save As and select your iCloud
> Drive Folder.  And then on the other computer File -> Open and select it.
> 
> Just be careful that only ONE computer has the file open at a time, and
> that you shut down GnuCash every time before you open it on another
> computer.
> 
> Also, I don't know what the cache coherency delay is on iCloud Drive, so
> you may need to wait for the files to sync every time you use them.
> 
> If you fail to wait, or if you fail to use it one-at-a-time, you can
> overwrite and lose data.
> 
> -derek
> 
> On Sat, August 5, 2023 9:34 am, Emma Larose wrote:
>> Thanks, I could open it.
>> How to save it on iCloud drive to be able to pen it from different
>> computers ?
>> 
>> Emma
>> 
>> 
>> Le 5 août 2023 à 15:23:02, Derek Atkins (de...@ihtfp.com) a écrit:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> On the Mac, you cannot double-click a file to get it to open. GnuCash
>> will always open the last file it used, regardless of what you click. On
>> a Mac, you need to open GnuCash and THEN you can use File -> Open to open
>> a desired file. Then, when you exit GnuCash, next time you restart it
>> will re-open that file (regardless of what you click on).
>> 
>> If you File -> Open and it says it cannot open the file, please tell us
>> what the error is.
>> 
>> -derek
>> 
>> On Sat, August 5, 2023 9:13 am, Emma Larose wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I use again Gnucash after a no use of 3 years.
>>> When I open a file.gnucash it doesn’t open in Gnucash either on Mac 2,6
>>> version or a Mac 5,3 version.
>>> What dit I miss ? What would you suggest ?
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Emma Larose
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Re: [GNC] Two Instances as opposed to two separate files

[William Prescott]

Just to be a devil's advocate...
The advantage of top posting is that the new addition to the thread is obvious. 
With bottom posting, the new reply appears in the middle of the message, often 
with text both above and below it.

Probably because of the default behavior of many email clients, most email 
chains I see are top posted. This forum is the only place where I commonly see 
bottom posting.

To quote from Wikipedia on the subject:
"For a long time the traditional style was to post the answer below as much of 
the quoted original as was necessary to understand the reply (bottom or 
inline). Many years later, when email became widespread in business 
communication, it became a widespread practice to reply above the entire 
original and leave it (supposedly untouched) below the reply.
While each online community  
differs on which styles are appropriate or acceptable, within some communities 
the use of the "wrong" method risks being seen as a breach of netiquette 
, and can provoke vehement response 
from community regulars."


Personally, I'm neutral. Either is fine with me.

Will

On 14 Jul 2023, at 19:17, Stan Brown  wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 6:50 AM Paul Feakins 
> wrote:
>> With a mailing list such as this, I believe the convention is to put
>> replies at the bottom?

On 2023-07-14 17:56, R Losey wrote:
> Is there really a convention for replies? Gmail puts my replies at the top
> by default (like this), but if they are supposed to be at the bottom, I can
> pretty easily do that as well. But I haven't seen a FAQ or heard that this
> is a convention.

It is a long-standing convention, predating computers, that the response
comes after the thing being responded to. (That's unless you're a
contestant on Jeopardy, of course.)

Without even considering everybody's _other_ email, there are multiple
topics on the GC mailing list, and few people can keep all of that in
their heads. Some brief context (usually _not_ a full quote of the
article) is helpful before making one's response. To me it seems like
basic courtesy for the writer to consider the convenience of the
readers, who outnumber the writer manyfold.

Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
https://BrownMath.com
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[William Prescott]

I agree. The latest version of clairvoyance in entering a transaction is great. 
It combines finding the most recent, and most likely, with a list of all 
possible options, and an easy up-arrow to kill the auto-complete if desired. 
Well done.

Will

On 29 Jun 2023, at 8:28, Jack Slater  wrote:

Solid improvement! Thanks

On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 9:03 AM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> Yes, they switched to a 'begins with' search. (release notes are your
> friend - they are always posted on the website and here on the mailing
> list in the release announcement)
> 
> Since the list also shows more recent descriptions first, it is now like
> 4.x, but instead of only giving you an auto-fill of the last used
> similar description, you get more choices.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 6/28/23 4:00 PM, Dustin Henning wrote:
>> Sounds like a good enouh reason to take the leap. Do not fill is
>> presumably the opposite of what I want, but if it shortened the list, it
>> probably did so by filtering using a "begins with" type filter, which
>> would at least help a little.  The problem with "keep typing to narrow
>> it down" is I'm suddenly typing 10+ characters where 2 or 3 would have
>> been enough before, but that doesn't mean the new method can't have
>> improved.  Thanks for the tips.
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Re: [GNC] Not getting any emails

[William Prescott]

Since we're talking about backup strategies...

I do an hourly backup to a local disk ((Time Machine)
A backup to the cloud every 15 minutes (CrashPlan)
And a clone to one of pair local disks every few days, alternating between them 
(SuperDuper)

A few years ago, I had a failure of my working hard disk, followed within a 
week or so with a failure of the local backup and at the same time, I realized 
the cloud backup had not been functioning for some time. I lost no data but it 
confirmed my belief that you need a comprehensive backup strategy.

Will

On 23 Jun 2023, at 11:57, Michael or Penny Novack  
wrote:

On 6/23/2023 12:30 PM, William Prescott wrote:
> Are you asking about backing up the Gnucash application or the Gnucash data 
> file. You definitely should back up the data file. The application is less 
> critical because you can always reinstall it. However, I just backup 
> everything. It is simpler and safer than picking and choosing what to backup.

I do data backups on a regular schedule. It is easier to back up ALL user data 
rather than the data of each application separately.

I do system backups prior to each "build" << installation of new programs or 
versions of programs >>  There is no need in a case like mine to do backups of 
software that has not changed (since last system backup). HOWEVER  if you 
allow automatic or frequent "upgrades" of software (as opposed to infrequent 
scheduled "builds") you'd probably be better off doing a system backup by some 
regular schedule since for you unpredictable when software has changed.

Michael D Novack


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Re: [GNC] Not getting any emails

[William Prescott]

Are you asking about backing up the Gnucash application or the Gnucash data 
file. You definitely should back up the data file. The application is less 
critical because you can always reinstall it. However, I just backup 
everything. It is simpler and safer than picking and choosing what to backup.

Will

On 23 Jun 2023, at 10:00, James Baxter via gnucash-user 
 wrote:

This is James Baxter and I am not getting an updates. One thing I am looking at 
is. I was doing a backup every time I do something on my laptop. 
I need to know. Do I need to backup gnucash.
ThanksJames Baxter 

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Re: [GNC] Calculating IRR of an investment account

[William Prescott]

Or, as another example: sites that require a phone number (maybe for 2FA 
[second factor authentification]), but only accept US phone numbers. It is a 
major pain for those of us that don't live in the US, but have extensive 
dealings with US companies.

Will

On Apr 8, 2023, at 09:18, Michael or Penny Novack  
wrote:

PS -- What makes you think commercial software is better in that regard? It 
will be designed according to how the designers think the majority of their 
customers would want. Choice of behavior MIGHT be provided if they think the 
minority also a significant number. But often is not.

  For example, I live where there is no cell service. Do you know what 
percentage of websites requiring account creation REQUIRE a mobile number 
(verification by text) vs how many provide an alternative (email of land line 
number sent an automated call). I do. I can even recognize one situation where 
I can tell more than one designer involved in the design (early in the process 
allows use of the alternative "verify via code sent by automated voice to a 
land line or by email" but at the completion of the process "must enter mobile 
number for verification sent by text" - insanely this is a process for 
setting up "paperless billing" FOR A LAND LINE). The point is maybe 97% of 
people here in the US live where can have a mobile, only 3% live where no 
service, so forget about them.



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Re: [GNC] Cannot adjust right-hand column widths

[William Prescott]

Are you suggesting that I should read the manual. What a radical idea. 

Will

On Apr 3, 2023, at 10:43, David T.  wrote:

This *is* documented in the Guide.  

https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v5/C/gnucash-guide/basics-running-gnucash.html#basics-register2

David T.
On Apr 3, 2023, at 2:54 PM, William Prescott mailto:w...@theprescotts.com>> wrote:
> 
> Thanks David H.
> 
> I had never mastered it before, but playing with the column widths in light 
> of your email, I now see how to get it to do what I want..
> 
> Will
> 
> On Apr 3, 2023, at 05:12, David H  wrote:
> 
> The Description column is a special case in that it auto re-sizes to fill
> the available width.  Always work from right most column (i.e. Balance) to
> the left most column.  Double click each header in turn to size the column
> automatically OR drag the right hand side column header delimiter left or
> right to adjust the column width.  When you are happy with all other
> columns then either double click the Description column header or left
> click and hold the right side delimiter and drag it sideways  a couple of
> cm's then just let it go to trigger it to auto adjust one final time.
> 
> Cheers David H.
> 
> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 at 20:37, Nigel  wrote:
> 
>>  All columns can be resized except Description. This means that the
>>  Balance column is not wide enough to display fully.
>>  Regards,
>>  Nigel
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Re: [GNC] Cannot adjust right-hand column widths

[William Prescott]

Thanks David H.

I had never mastered it before, but playing with the column widths in light of 
your email, I now see how to get it to do what I want..

Will

On Apr 3, 2023, at 05:12, David H  wrote:

The Description column is a special case in that it auto re-sizes to fill
the available width.  Always work from right most column (i.e. Balance) to
the left most column.  Double click each header in turn to size the column
automatically OR drag the right hand side column header delimiter left or
right to adjust the column width.  When you are happy with all other
columns then either double click the Description column header or left
click and hold the right side delimiter and drag it sideways  a couple of
cm's then just let it go to trigger it to auto adjust one final time.

Cheers David H.

On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 at 20:37, Nigel  wrote:

> All columns can be resized except Description. This means that the
> Balance column is not wide enough to display fully.
> Regards,
> Nigel
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Re: [GNC] 5.0-1 (Flathub) issue

[William Prescott]

I disagree. I like the new feature. I often have several entries that start 
similarly. Before I would have to type a lot of characters until I got to the 
point where they differed. Now I just start typing and it brings up all of them 
for me to choose with a couple of touches on the down arrow.

Will

On Mar 29, 2023, at 07:30, John J Egan  wrote:

Since this update, creating a entry in the register now pops-up a 'similar 
entries' selection search result box, rather than just filling in the payee as 
it used to. It's SO frustrating, and a lot more work now!

Please revert back this new "feature".

Thank you.

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Re: [GNC] Confusing version numbers

[William Prescott]

I don't speak for the development team either. 

But the sequence x.1, x.2, ... x.9, x.10, x.11 etc seems to be standard 
practice in numbering versions. I actually don't like it much. x.01, x.02, ... 
x.09, x.10, x.11 would be cleaner and sort correctly but that is not the world 
we live in.

Will

On Mar 7, 2023, at 05:09, aeg via gnucash-user  wrote:


   On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 at 10:37:18 GMT, Maf. King  
wrote:  

On Tuesday, 7 March 2023 09:34:59 GMT aeg via gnucash-user wrote:
> Is there a reason why GnuCash version numbers don't follow a sequence 4.00,
> 4.01, 4.02, etc. instead of 4.0. 4.1, 4.2? I find it a little confusing
> that 4.9 is older than 4.12, and that 4.902 comes just before 5.0
> 
> Alan
> 

Not wishing to speak for the dev team... but this is how I understand the 
numbering:

4.1  does _NOT_ have a decimal point in it.  perhaps if it were written as 
4_1 it would make more logical to you as the . would not be overloaded with 
another meaning.

Major release 4.  Update (bug fix) 1.   Update 9.. Update 12.

Update 900 is the "preview" to the next major version (5), and similarly 901, 
902. etc. follow on in sequence...  100 possible previews should be enough!

HTH,
Maf.

Thank you for pointing that out; I've probably been viewing it as a decimal 
point.
Alan




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Re: [GNC] Using Plaid

[William Prescott]

After reading this discussion about Plaid, I discovered an email from my bank 
from about 6 months ago notifying me that Plaid had access to my bank account. 
I am not aware that I am using Plaid for anything. Is it used in the background 
by Bank Mobil Apps? That is the only thing I can think of that might be why I 
gave it access.

Thanks,
Will
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Re: [GNC] Migrating from PC to Mac

[William Prescott]

To see iCloud files on a Mac:
Click on the iCloud drive in the Sidebar of a Finder window.

If it is not there, do the following:
Go to the Finder
Open Finder settings
Click on the Sidebar tab
Check the box for iCloud Drive
Close the settings window
Click on the iCloud Drive that now appears in the Sidebar
You should see it there

Will



On Feb 16, 2023, at 18:58, David Carlson  wrote:

I don't use a Mac.  We need a Mac user to answer that question.



On Thu, Feb 16, 2023, 6:48 PM Martin Taylor  wrote:

> Thanks David
> 
> Found the file and have moved it to an iCloud folder. How then do I access
> it from the Mac?
> 
> M
> 
> 
> On 17/02/2023, at 1:33 PM, David Carlson 
> wrote:
> 
> Martin
> 
> Open the file on your pc, then hover over the top entry in the drop down
> menu under File.  Then the file name and folder will appear in the bottom
> of the window.
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2023, 5:49 PM Martin Taylor 
> wrote:
> 
>>   Thanks
>>   Where do I find the data file?
>> 
>>   On 17/02/2023 12:35, David Cousens  wrote:
>> 
>> Martin
>> 
>> Coy the data file from your PC to your Mac and open it with GnuCash
>> on the Mac.
>> You could also store the data file in an online storage location
>> (Dropbox or
>> similar) or networked storage on your LAN if applicable, so that you
>> can open it
>> from either system.
>> If you have any saved reports you may also want to copy them See
>>  https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Configuration_Locations  for details.
>> 
>> David Cousens
>> 
>> On Fri, 2023-02-17 at 12:23 +1300, Martin Taylor wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve got 4.13 installed and running on my PC, and I’ve also set up
>> 4.13 on my
>>> Mac.
>>> 
>>> I’ve tried exporting the account tree and transactions from the PC
>> to an
>>> external drive and then importing them into the Mac but have
>> struck a problem
>>> with the transaction file where the importer doesn’t recognise the
>> date format
>>> or the data in the Deposit and Withdrawal columns, and nothing
>> I’ve tried has
>>> got me past that point.
>>> The account tree seems to come across okay
>>> I’m sure there’s another way to do this, would welcome any
>> suggestions
>>> 
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Re: [GNC] Splitting an imported transaction?

[William Prescott]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't understand why you are bothering to do 
an import if there are only two transactions once every three months. Wouldn't 
it be easier to just enter them by hand the way you want

On Feb 4, 2023, at 09:23, Simon Roberts  wrote:

Hi all,

I use a third party organization to run payroll, and they make two
withdrawals from my bank. One is the amount actually paid to employees (two
of us :) and the other is the sum of taxes collected from those employees,
plus the employer's tax contributions.

Unsurprisingly, when this imports, from the bank records, it shows as two
transactions, and the tax stuff is all lumped into a single transaction.

As yet, I've only handled this once and did it wrong anyway (I fixed it up
by hand OK though). However, in three months it'll happen again so I figure
if I ask now I could be ready to try to do it right next time.

What I'd like--but suspect might be impossible, is to persuade the import
operation to create a split to the two accounts (payroll taxes: employer
and payroll taxes-employee). I'm not so concerned about how the money is
allocated across the split (there's really no way for the system to know
what to do about that, after all), but if there's a placeholder, that would
be a nice start.

Or perhaps there's some other approach that I've not thought of?

What do folks recommend?

Cheers,
Simon


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 4.900 Released

[William Prescott]

For general information...
I installed Gnucash 4.900 from the .dmg file on MacOS Ventura 13.1. I created a 
new file for a project that is starting fresh this year. I haven't done much 
more with it yet than created accounts in two currencies with a starting 
balance in one of them. No issues have arisen so far, but it isn't much of a 
test yet.

Will
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Re: [GNC] Register column sizing

[William Prescott]

Another vote in favor of this change to the column width handling,

Best wishes,
Will


On Jan 6, 2023, at 08:45, Matthew Forbis via gnucash-user 
 wrote:

I'm fully in agreement of making the description column behave like all the 
others.
Matt
   On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 09:41:58 PM CST, john  
wrote:  

Users,

There have been occasional complaints for many years about column width sizing. 
See for e.g. https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=563588. Most users seem 
to eventually get used to it, but I wonder if anybody really likes it.

The problem boils down to the auto-sizing behavior of the Description column, 
which causes that column to grow or shrink when you adjust the window's width, 
and to make a horizontal scrollbar appear when you widen another column. 
Occasionally someone will complain about the normally hidden price column 
because it's possible to catch its handle and widen it when you mean to widen 
the balance column.

It would be really easy to turn off autosizing on the Description field and 
only a little work to figure out another way to handle the price and ditch that 
column. Would anyone miss it?

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC] Scary moment

[William Prescott]

I've been using it for 10+ years. My file is just over 1 MegaByte. It looks 
like it autosaves every 5 minutes and keeps the backups for one month. These 
are probably the default values. I don't remember ever changing them. My 
current Gnucash folder has 177 MB in it and 135 of that is an old archive from 
2011 with about 130 backups in it that never were deleted for some reason.

Will

On Dec 30, 2022, at 13:09, Gyle McCollam  wrote:

Simon,
I have been using Gnucash for 7 years now, but only for my personal finance 
needs.  I have my auto save set for 5 minutes and I never even notice when it 
happens.  I enter hundreds of transactions a month and my file is still 
measured in kbs.  So it depends on the size of the file.


Thank You,

Gyle McCollam

Gyle McCollam

gmccol...@live.com   email


From: gnucash-user  on 
behalf of Simon Roberts 
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2022 1:50 PM
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Scary moment

New user (refugee from Intuit, finally) question on this topic:

Given that these days we tend to have vast disks, and they're often very
fast SSDs, I'm inclined to enable auto-save and set a relatively short
interval (perhaps as little as a minute?)

Are there issues with doing this that I've not thought of? If my file gets
to several years worth, will it get large enough that this actually takes a
non-trivial amount of time? Will it be unmanageable for other reasons?

Thanks for your wisdom,
Simon


On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 11:16 AM Michael or Penny Novack <
stepbystepf...@comcast.net> wrote:

> On 12/30/2022 1:02 PM, Derek Atkins wrote:
>> I suppose there could have been a bug..
>> 
>> GnuCash is supposed to prevent you from exiting if there is unsaved data.
> 
>> However, I suppose there COULD be a way for you to shut down / close
>> GnuCash in a way that prevents it from popping up that dialog box.
>> 
>> -derek
> 
> Of course there is. Simply shut down the computer over riding an "there
> are apps still open" warnings.
> 
> 
> Michael D Novack
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Re: [GNC] Changing registers in the middle of entering or editing a transaction

[William Prescott]

> 
>> Let me guess: you looked in the other register before you had committed
>> the transaction.
> 
> 
> Yes, you are probably right
> 

That highlights a point about Gnucash function that I find annoying. It will 
let you switch registers in the middle of editing a transaction, leaving the 
changed transaction uncommitted.

Would it be an improvement to have the program prevent that. When you try to 
switch registers with an open transaction it could ask you if you want to save 
changes or cancel the editing of the transaction. 

I can't think of a situation where I would like to pause in the middle of 
entering or editing a transaction in one register and go to another register. 

Sometimes when I try to quit the App, it tells me I have an open transaction 
somewhere and it is always because I never committed some transaction. And at 
that point I don't remember what transaction nor if I wanted to save the 
changes.

Will
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Re: [GNC] Feature request - prevent a transaction with todays date

[William Prescott]

Your post puzzles me. 

> I am trying to enter some transactions from March. Every now and again I
> forget to change the date on something, so I get today’s date. Then I have
> to go back to a backup file.


Why? Can't you just edit the date on the transaction and change it.

> It would be nice when entering historical
> transactions if it was impossible to use todays date - one is forced to
> change the date is something in preferences prevented todays date being
> used.

I must be missing something. Not being able to use today's day would make it 
impossible to enter transactions on the day they occurred. Are you asking for 
some switch that could be set before entering historical transactions? It seems 
like a cumbersome solution to a non-problem.

Will

Dr. William H. Prescott
México


On Dec 26, 2022, at 12:47, Dr. David Kirkby  
wrote:

I am trying to enter some transactions from March. Every now and again I
forget to change the date on something, so I get today’s date. Then I have
to go back to a backup file. It would be nice when entering historical
transactions if it was impossible to use todays date - one is forced to
change the date is something in preferences prevented todays date being
used. --
Dr. David Kirkby,
Kirkby Microwave Ltd,
drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk
https://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/
Telephone 01621-680100./ +44 1621 680100

Registered in England & Wales, company number 08914892.
Registered office:
Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT, United
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash on macOS Ventura

[William Prescott]

For what it's worth ...

I just started running the latest version GnuCash 4.13-1 on Ventura 13.1. No 
real issues. I did have one momentary apparent glitch where it would not let me 
scroll the drop down list of accounts when trying to assign a transaction line 
to an account. But I just accepted one of the accounts I could see, then tabbed 
out of that column. Then returned to it and it worked fine. 

I haven't seen anything else strange and haven't used it enough to know if that 
was some kind of one time quirk or repeatable.

Will


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Re: [GNC] What determines the order of transaction is CSV file?

[William Prescott]

It would be pretty simple to add a column next to the date. Then put a formula 
in the new column that made it equal to the date in the adjacent column if 
there was one, and to the date in the preceding line if it was blank. Then sort 
on the new column.

Will

On Dec 23, 2022, at 16:26, Dr. David Kirkby  
wrote:

On Fri, 23 Dec 2022 at 21:39, Phyllis Bruce  wrote:

> I have not used Libre Office much but it is very similar to Excel.  Excel
> allows me to choose my entire spreadsheet and then sort it in any order -
> and on any column I wish.  I'd guess Libre Office has that ability.
> 
> For reasons I don't know, it's quite tricky to do in my version of
LibraOffice. However, even in Excel this would not work, as some lines have
no dates on them. Each transaction takes up at least two lines (a debit on
one line, and a credit on another). If there are multiple splits, then
there will be more than two lines per transaction. However, only the first
line of each transaction has a date, so less than half the lines in the
file have a date. If sorted by date,  the first line of each transaction
would be in order, then all the lines with no date would follow.
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Re: [GNC] Improvement suggestion

[William Prescott]

I agree.

I have three backup systems for my computer:

• I have an external disk attached to it and set up MacOS Time Machine to 
backup to that disk.
• I pay a cloud company to backup my computer (Currently CrashPlan/Code42 but I 
have thought about switching to BackBlaze).
• And I use SuperDuper! to make a clone of my computer every few days 
alternating between two different disks.

The different systems provide protection against different types of failures 
(disk crash, theft, fire, ransom encryption, cloud company failure, mistaken 
deletion of files). I feel all are necessary. But at least one is an absolute 
necessity for anyone who has any data they care about keeping.

A few years ago, over the space of a few weeks I had failures in almost all of 
these systems for different reasons. Fortunately the failures did not all occur 
at the same time, so I did not lose any data although some of the organization 
of old emails was lost so they would be hard to find.

Will


On Dec 22, 2022, at 18:42, Ken Farley  wrote:

This kind of thing is generally your responsibility. I can't think of a single 
bit of software I use for work - be it CAD, document writing, spreadsheet, or 
whatever - that does backup of my data for me. That task is on me, and rightly 
so. The time my computer suffered a complete crash, the data lost was my fault. 
Set yourself up a nice automated backup for your data (like Time Machine on 
MacOS).
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Re: [GNC] Do I need to set up multiple bank accounts for different currencies?

[William Prescott]

I am neither an accountant nor particularly expert at GnuCash, though I've used 
it for a dozen years or so. But if I understand what you are saying it sounds 
crazy to me.

I have several bank accounts in USD and several in MXN. I have one account in 
Gnucash for each bank account and the currency is set to whatever currency is 
appropriate. Transactions generally occur with both sides in the same currency. 
The only exceptions are when I transfer money from a bank account in USD to a 
bank account in MXN or visa versa. Then the two sides of the transactions are 
in different currencies and GnuCash asks me about the conversion rate. Or when 
I use an ATM in one country to withdraw cash from a bank in another country. 
This happens mostly when traveling.

You certainly do not need to have multiple Gnucash accounts for a single bank 
account to deal with currency exchanges. Just set the Gnucash bank account to 
GBP and have expense accounts in the other currencies as needed. GnuCash will 
deal with transactions that involve two currencies.

Will

On Dec 22, 2022, at 09:56, Dr. David Kirkby  
wrote:

My Bank is a UK bank, but I sometimes buy things in $HKD, and fairly
regularly receive payments in USD and EUR in addition to the obvious GBP.
Should I set up accounts like this? (American's call them checking
accounts, but we don't here).

Assets: Current Assets: Bank Account (GBP)
Assets: Current Assets: Bank Account (USD)
Assets: Current Assets: Bank Account (EUR)
Assets: Current Assets: Bank Account (HKD)

It's the one bank account - I don't have different account numbers for
different currencies, and can't hold balances in anything other than GBP.

I initially assumed I needed 4 accounts for 4 currencies, but now I'm
wondering if I can avoid that complexity, given I can only have a balance
in GBP.

Dave
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Re: [GNC] Debug information to sort out Finance::Quote issue on macOS Ventura

[William Prescott]

Ventura runs on lots of Intel (pre M1/M2) Macs.


https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213264
Will


On Dec 16, 2022, at 13:18, R Losey  wrote:

I'm pretty sure that Ventura does not work on Intel Macs... I suspect that
Vincent has an M1 or M2 Mac.


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Re: [GNC] Net Worth Barchart

[William Prescott]

I'm no accountant, but it looks to me like your liabilities are all negative. 
When you subtract negative liabilities from assets, the net worth is greater.

A = 10
L = -1
NW = 10 - (-1) = 11

Will

On Dec 5, 2022, at 22:22, Liz  wrote:

Gnucash Version: 4.12
Build ID: 4.12+(2022-09-24)

Here is a screenshot of my Net Worth Barchart. I have checked that
Assets are type "Assets" and Liabilities are type "Liabilities"

Can someone explain to me why or how my Net Worth is greater than my
Assets despite the existence of Liabilities?
I have removed the actual values, they do not materially affect the
question.

Liz
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Re: [GNC] can't create a transaction report

[William Prescott]

While I agree that 4.01, 4.02, ... 4.10, 4.11, 4.12 would be more rational, in 
fact  it is traditional or at least extremely common in version numbering to 
use: 4.1, 4.2,... 4.9, 4.10, 4.11, 4.12 etc.

In fact, 4.01 would have different implications about the nature of the release 
than 4.1. 4.01 would likely be a bug fix on 4.0 rather than a new release with 
more major changes.

Will

On Nov 28, 2022, at 15:18, R Losey  wrote:

This brings up a good point; perhaps GnuCash should always use two-digit
numbering; instead of 4.1, 4.2,... 4.9, 4.10, 4.11, use

4.01, 4.02,... and so on.

That way, people won't confuse 4.1 and 4.10 (or think that 4.2 is newer
than 4.12 because 4.2 is a bigger number than 4.12).



On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 7:14 PM ph hermes  wrote:

> i looked on the apple store and there was no gnu cash. i thought 4.2 was
> more recent than 4.12...
> 
> but i'll try that anyway.
> 
> thanks.
> 
>   ph
> 
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> On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 1:01 PM David H  wrote:
> 
>> Why don't you install 4.12 which was released recently - lots of fixes
> and
>> improvements since 4.2 
>> 
>> Cheers David H.
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 at 06:34, ph hermes  wrote:
>> 
>>> hi all
>>> 
>>> i'm using gnu cash 4.2 on  my mac ventura 13.0, and can't create a
>>> transaction report (which i've done many times before today).
>>> 
>>> i'm trying to create a report for 2021.
>>> 
>>> i start the process (reports, transaction reports) then go into options
> to
>>> select accounts, type of report, date etc.). when i hit any of those
>>> options the transaction blinks out. or it takes 1 selection but not all.
>>> and the general accounts page option disappears too.
>>> 
>>> i've tried quitting gnucash, starting over (it opens with bad
> transaction
>>> report options rather than accounts).
>>> 
>>> i've tried restarting my mac and completing shutting it down and
> starting
>>> over.
>>> 
>>> what am i missing? any help appreciated.
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> 
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash on macOS Ventura

[William Prescott]

John,

You are correct. I set up a folder for 4.12-2 but it is empty. I just assumed I 
had a new release there. My mistake.

Will

On Nov 14, 2022, at 21:35, john  wrote:



> On Nov 14, 2022, at 4:07 PM, William Prescott  wrote:
> 
> I have 4-12.2 installed as wel

That's interesting since I haven't built a 4.12-2 and MacPorts is still on 
4.11. Are you sure you don't have GnuCash-Intel-4.12-1(2).dmg, which would just 
be another download of 4.12-1?

Regards,
John Ralls


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash on macOS Ventura

[William Prescott]

Christian,

Are your running 4-12.1 or 4-12.2

I am running 4-12.1 (Build ID: 4.12+(2022-09-24)) on MacOS Ventura 13.0.1 
(22A400) with no problems. I have 4-12.2 installed as well but I haven't 
switched to it. 

Will

On Nov 14, 2022, at 17:56, R Losey  wrote:

Thanks for that update.

I think I'll hold off on doing the update for the time being.


On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 1:06 PM john  wrote:

> It is indeed a Gtk bug,
> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/5305#note_1592320.
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls
> 
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2022, at 7:50 AM, Adrien Monteleone <
> adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm forever locked on Monterey so I can't test, and I don't see that
> problem with GnuCash, but, I do see it running Firefox on Monterey and
> Win10, and I get it all over the UI in *buntu based VMs starting with the
> 22.04 release.
>> 
>> I don't know if Firefox uses GTK+ code, but if so (and considering
> GnuCash & the *buntu distros I tried do so as well) then I'd say it is
> possibly a GTK bug, not GnuCash.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Adrien
>> 
>> On 11/14/22 2:54 AM, Christian Lynbech wrote:
>>> Anybody here who has experience running Gnucash (4.12) on the newest
>>> macOS Ventura?
>>> It basically works, but the UI is a bit wonky. The cursor does not
>>> update correctly, sometimes you need to click twice or be very carefull
>>> ot hit the text inside buttons.
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash on MacOS 12.5 ?

[William Prescott]

I run Gnucash 4.12-1 on a MacBook Pro M1 Max, Monterey 12.6 with no problems.

On 2022 Oct 23, at 10-23 12:41:43, Jesse Ayers  wrote:

I have been using GnuCash on Mac for several years.  I have purchased a new 
MacBook that runs MacOS 12.5 “Monterey.”  Can someone tell me if Gnucash will 
run on this new OS?  I haven’t been able to find an answer on the Gnucash site 
or in the text files that come with version 4.12.

Thanks
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Re: [GNC] Enhancement request: multi-currency accounts

[William Prescott]

Whatever works for you is fine. I would find that strange. I have income and 
expenses in two currencies pretty much all the time. I live in one country and 
still have property in another. I keep track of everything in the currency that 
it occurred in. Conversions occur if I am traveling in a third country and have 
an expense is some other currency. Then it gets converted to one of the primary 
two currencies depending on which bank card I used. I have debit cards in both 
currencies. The other time something gets converted is if I move money from a 
bank in one country to a bank in the other. Then one side of the transaction 
will obviously be in one currency and the other side in the other, But keeping 
all my expense accounts in one currency sounds crazy to me. I keep them in 
whichever currency they were paid with.

My 2 cents, and worth what you paid for it.
Will

On 2022 Oct 20, at 10-20 11:28:34, Patrick Pöndl  wrote:

I am a new GnuCash user and currently busy setting everything up. I have
done a lot of thinking and testing on the multi-currency issue in order to
hopefully get it right from the start.

[...]

income or expense accounts, the amount has to be converted into the base
currency using the exchange rate on the day the transaction occurred, or at
least closely. Exchange rates normally do not move a lot from day to day,
but over many months or even years there can be huge moves - and those will
ruin the data in your GnuCash book if you don't consider this effect.

If somebody has another solution, please let me know, as the extra effort
to make the conversion for each transaction is obviously anything but fun.

Best regards,
Patrick Poendl

Am Mi., 19. Okt. 2022 um 02:47 Uhr schrieb  :

> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Anton Tsyganenko 
> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2022 13:34:13 +0400
> Subject: [GNC] Enhancement request: multi-currency accounts
> Let's take a look on accounts that are created in gnucash by default.
> Generally most of the accounts may be multi-currency, i. e. not bond to
> a specific currency: you may have cash in multiple currencies, your
> opening balances may be in multiple currencies, you may have incomes and
> expenses in multiple currencies. Bank accounts generally have only one
> currency, but there are some banks that offer multi-currency cards and
> deposits. These surely can be considered as just a few different
> accounts, but it may be more convenient to group them together.Now I
> solve that by creating sub-accounts for each currency I need for each
> account where I need it. It looks like:
> Expenses:Dining:USD
> Expenses:Dining:EUR
> Expenses:Dining:CAD
> Expenses:Transport:USD
> Expenses:Transport:EUR
> Expenses:Transport:CAD
> 
> It's very painful to create all of them. I know that I may have only one
> account in my _main_ currency, but I prefer all currencies to be equal
> and not perform redundant currency conversions, for example when I spend
> CAD cash for dining in Canada.
> 
> So my proposal is:
> 
> All accounts that user creates are "multi-currency", like placeholder
> accounts without any specific currency. Sub-accounts for each currency
> are created automatically, when the first operation in this currency in
> this account is made. If a multi-currency account is deleted and
> operations are moved to another account, operations in all the
> subaccounts are moved to the corresponding subaccounts of the second
> account. Balances can be shown as a sum of (non-null) amounts in
> different currencies (but sometimes can be converted to one currency).
> In a multi-currency account's view (basic ledger) there should be just
> an additional column -- currency of an operation (editable as a
> drop-down menu). So user opens account "cash" and sees something like:
> 
> Date | Description | Transfer | Debit | Credit | Currency | Balance
> 
> 2022-10-18 | Dinner in a restaurant | Expenses:Dining | | 25 | EUR | 100
> USD + 55 EUR
> 
> That operation is a transfer of 25 EUR from Assets:Cash:EUR to
> Expenses:Dining:EUR.
> 
> I would be happy to discuss the concept.
> 
> 
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Re: [GNC] Enhancement request: multi-currency accounts

[William Prescott]

I have a somewhat more chaotic organization. Almost all my income is in USD and 
almost all my expenses are MXN. I have a top level Expense account for Pesos 
and another for Dollars with lots of subaccounts under them.

I have multiple bank accounts in both currencies and quite often have 
transactions with one side in one currency and the other side in the other 
currency. I transfer money between banks both within and across currencies. And 
occasionally I will spend money in one currency that is reimbursed in the 
other. GnuCash handles it all really cleanly, but it did take me a little time 
to figure out how it worked when I started.

Will

On 2022 Oct 18, at 10-18 19:45:56, R Losey  wrote:

For me, since my salary, bank, and credit cards are in USD, even when I
spend EUR or CAN or AUS, I normally wait until the credit card expense
shows up in USD and enter the USD value.  Often, I will put the actual
local expense on the 2nd line (I don't remember if that is called
Description or Memo in Gnucash).

I said that to say that I think the proposal would generally be useful only
if you actually have bank accounts, credit cards in multiple currencies.


On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 4:19 PM David Carlson 
wrote:

> This is interesting and it might be an optional configuration for the
> automatic account creation wizard, but not for most users who use a single
> currency in their accounting.  Also, this is not the usual place to propose
> enhancements, but it would be a good place to refine a concept prior to
> making an actual proposal.
> 
> What do others think?
> 
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 3:54 PM Anton Tsyganenko <
> anton-tsygane...@yandex.ru>
> wrote:
> 
>> Let's take a look on accounts that are created in gnucash by default.
>> Generally most of the accounts may be multi-currency, i. e. not bond to
>> a specific currency: you may have cash in multiple currencies, your
>> opening balances may be in multiple currencies, you may have incomes and
>> expenses in multiple currencies. Bank accounts generally have only one
>> currency, but there are some banks that offer multi-currency cards and
>> deposits. These surely can be considered as just a few different
>> accounts, but it may be more convenient to group them together.Now I
>> solve that by creating sub-accounts for each currency I need for each
>> account where I need it. It looks like:
>> Expenses:Dining:USD
>> Expenses:Dining:EUR
>> Expenses:Dining:CAD
>> Expenses:Transport:USD
>> Expenses:Transport:EUR
>> Expenses:Transport:CAD
>> 
>> It's very painful to create all of them. I know that I may have only one
>> account in my _main_ currency, but I prefer all currencies to be equal
>> and not perform redundant currency conversions, for example when I spend
>> CAD cash for dining in Canada.
>> 
>> So my proposal is:
>> 
>> All accounts that user creates are "multi-currency", like placeholder
>> accounts without any specific currency. Sub-accounts for each currency
>> are created automatically, when the first operation in this currency in
>> this account is made. If a multi-currency account is deleted and
>> operations are moved to another account, operations in all the
>> subaccounts are moved to the corresponding subaccounts of the second
>> account. Balances can be shown as a sum of (non-null) amounts in
>> different currencies (but sometimes can be converted to one currency).
>> In a multi-currency account's view (basic ledger) there should be just
>> an additional column -- currency of an operation (editable as a
>> drop-down menu). So user opens account "cash" and sees something like:
>> 
>> Date | Description | Transfer | Debit | Credit | Currency | Balance
>> 
>> 2022-10-18 | Dinner in a restaurant | Expenses:Dining | | 25 | EUR | 100
>> USD + 55 EUR
>> 
>> That operation is a transfer of 25 EUR from Assets:Cash:EUR to
>> Expenses:Dining:EUR.
>> 
>> I would be happy to discuss the concept.
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Re: [GNC] Moving to a new computer

[William Prescott]

Just a small clarification.

It depends on what you do when you boot up a new Mac for the first time. It 
will give you an option to clone it from a previous computer or backup. If you 
do that the new computer will look almost exactly like the old one, including 
all of the applications as well as all user data.

Will

On 2022 Sep 19, at 09-19 12:06:34, Michael or Penny Novack 
 wrote:

On 9/17/2022 6:36 PM, Dan Varon wrote:
> I have been using Gnucash on an iMac and would like to continue using it on a 
> new MacBook Air.  I transferred all my data from the iMac to the MacBook Air, 
> but GnuCash will not open on the new computer.  How do I install an updated 
> version  GnuCash on the MacBook Air and have it use all my old data?
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Dan

This may not be a gnucash question.

On your old computer, you both had Apple software that comes already installed 
on MacBook Air AND software that you installed from elsewhere. Your new MacBook 
Air will have just the Apple software that comes with it. If you want to 
continue the other apps that you were using on the old computer you will have 
to install them.

You said that you transferred all your DATA from the old computer to the new 
one. you will also have to install software.

Once you have done (installed gnucash) you can open gnucash. If it doesn't find 
your old data (something changed in the path) you will use file=>open to select 
your old data (in its new location). Gnucash will then remember that as "last 
used".

Michael D Novack


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Re: [GNC] Request for two new features in GnuCash

[William Prescott]

Eric,

Both of those situations should be easy to deal with. 

I have three Gnucash files, one personal and two for organizations. Gnucash 
opens with the last one I used. I can switch to one of the others from the 
items listed at the bottom of the File menu. 

All transactions can have any number of splits. Put the total cost of the 
oscilloscope on one side of a transaction, and have two lines for the other 
side, one for the cash incentive and another for the bank transfer.

Maybe I am missing something.
Will

On 2022 Aug 6, at 08-06 20:04:12, Eric Hammond  wrote:

As I am getting more of my accounts completely into GnuCash I find the need for 
two things:
The first is the ability to have two separate (at least) GnuCash file systems: 
one for my business and one for personal.
My business is an LLC, and one legal requirement for that is there is no 
co-mingling of money. 
This gives me some protection from certain law suites and tax issues.

I found an almost-work-around: two folders for Gnucash accessed with shortcuts 
that specified the target folder. It mostly worked, but was unstable and 
unreliable.

The second is the ability to pay bills from more than one source. Example I 
purchase an oscilloscope and pay for it with a cash incentive from the company 
and a bank transfer for the rest. My solution at the present is not pretty, nor 
helpful if I look at it next year.

Thank you for the great work!


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Re: [GNC] Stumped on Mortgage Asst - Screenshots

[William Prescott]

A slight variation on Steve's suggestion. 

I made the mortgage payments a 'Scheduled Transaction' with some nominal values 
for principal and interest payments. Then, they were created automatically, and 
I just edited them to get the amounts correct.

Will

On 2022 Aug 2, at 08-02 02:55:33, David T. via gnucash-user 
 wrote:

Steve, 

I expect others will give you ideas on how or what is mistaken on the mortgage 
assistant. 

I, however,  am going to suggest a different approach, which is to forego using 
the scheduled transactions/mortgage assistant altogether, and simply enter the 
monthly payments manually. 

The reason I suggest this is due to the fact that (as Michael Novak often 
reminds us on the list) your calculations and the bank's calculations will 
likely not match precisely, due to differences in base assumptions on the 
calculation. Because they won't match precisely, you'll end up editing the 
completed transactions. [For this reason, I truly wonder whether the mortgage 
assistant is actually useful or should be included in the program, since it 
seems to cause more troubles than it solved. That's just my opinion, however.]

If, instead, you enter the transactions manually, Gnucash will autofill the 
transaction with the last entered values, and you can quickly modify the 
amounts to match the bank statement. 

David T.


On August 1, 2022 11:59:06 PM GMT+03:00, "steve.schwa...@fastmail.com" 
 wrote:
> All,
> 
> Please help if you can. I think I've documented with the shots required, 
> but if you want to see something else, sing out. Somewhere I am missing a 
> very basic concept. I'm trying to use the assistant to create a scheduled 
> transaction. The file names describe each step. The file and CoA are dummies 
> until I grasp this concept and move on to putting my 401kk of MUFUs into the 
> tool.
> 
> - I've used my current statement, due 1 July to match up a amortization 
> website to show the P due on 1 July. Amounts and start dates in the 
> assistant are configured to match those amounts. Curiously, the website and 
> my statement show a different remaining balance, but that is outside the 
> scope.
> 
> - I step you through my assistant.
> 
> - In the end I show you the result of the assistant, which shows the correct 
> P Escrow is wrong, but I'm sure I can fix that in the editor. I'll 
> accumulate escrow each month and then schedule a payment from escrow asset to 
> tax and insurance expenses once all the above works.
> 
> - I let GnuCash enter the created transaction (ignoring from birth of the 
> loan) and the transaction for 1 July 2022 is actually the P for 1 May 2035.
> 
> 
> TIA
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Re: [GNC] Blue line in checking account register window

[William Prescott]

I don't see the any image in your post, but the behavior you describe sounds 
like what happens when you have transactions with a future date. They appear 
below a blue line.

Will

On 2022 Jul 9, at 07-09 14:33:05, Barry G. Hall  wrote:

I am running GnuCash 4.6 on a 2011 iMac running OSX 10.14.6 and having 64 GB of 
RAM

My checking account register window looks like this


Notice the bright blue line above the last 3 transactions.
What is that line and how to I get rid of it?

When I enter a new transaction it appears immediately ABOVE that blue line, and 
the balance is based only on the entries above that line.  I would like to:
1.  Move the transactions below the line above the blue line
2.  Delete the blue line so that there is only a single section; i.e. the 
section now above the blue line.  I would then sort on the date and be where I 
need to be.

Any help will be much appreciated. 
Barry G. Hall
Director, Bellingham Research Institute
barrygh...@gmail.com
http://www.bellinghamresearch.com 


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 4.11 Releas

[William Prescott]

My thanks to all the developers. I updated today (MacOS version on M1 Max). It 
runs fine.

Will


On 2022 Jun 26, at 06-26 16:39:12, John Ralls  wrote:

The GnuCash development team announces GnuCash 4.11, the twelfth release in the 
stable 4.x series
Between 4.10 and 4.11, the following bugfixes were accomplished:

   Bug 797163 - qof_book_get_option segfaults when retrieving a non-leaf frame
   Bug 798053 - Accounts renumeration (renumbering)
   Bug 798471 - Can't see or select Income or Expense accounts in Income Tax 
Information GUI
   Bug 798483 - GnuCash Crashing With SIGSEGV During QFX Import Transaction 
Matching
   Bug 798491 - MT940 of day 28.02.2022 ends in transactiondate 01.01.1970
   Bug 798493 - Invoice Report Quantity & Unit Price fields have limited 
decimal precision on printed invoices
   Bug 798496 - gncEntry Quantity and Discount are misusing commodity scu
   Bug 798499 - Expense Chart data tables include extra columns of data
   Bug 798500 - FTBFS (tests failure) on armhf
   Bug 798501 - Balance wrong date end of period
   Bug 798531 - Selecting "Print" from the file menu on a report crashes gnucash
   Bug 798533 - Crash when importing quicken @ currency
   Bug 798535 - Crash when increasing the number of periods in a budget
   Bug 798547 - Calculated Due Date is short 1 day when posting on day of fall 
change from Daylight Time to Standard Time.

The following fixes and improvements were not associated with bug reports:

   Partially fix Bug 771095 by inserting a help button in the Since-Last-Run 
dialog.
   Lock down GITHUB_TOKEN permissions on workflows.
   [g_option_context_get_help() returns a char* which must be freed.
   [assistant-stock-transaction] dividends must include stock account.
   Fix arch linux CI build failures.
   Add a help button to the financial calculator dialog.
   [assistant-stock-transaction] avoid resetting txn_types unnecessarily.
   [assistant-stock-transaction] reorder of Pages - date before type.
   [import matcher] Only append description if there's something to append to, 
Otherwise just set the new string.
   [balsheet-pnl] test "lvl <= depth-limit" outside add-indented-row as a first 
step trying to fix bug 798502. the bug likely resides in the (if) conditional 
in (add-account-row).
   [gnc-main-window] page->window is not main_window, skip warning.
   [gnc-plugin-page-register] if account==NULL, skip AccountIsPriced because 
gnc_plugin_page_register_ui_initial_state may be called for non-account 
registers (eg the sx editor) and account may be null.
   [gnc-account-sel.c] prepend & reverse while building acct list

   and don't use confusing double pointer
   Fix use-after-free in unable to save database dialog.
   [account.cpp] restore breadth-first search for 2 functions

   gnc_account_lookup_by_name and gnc_account_lookup_by_code were searching 
breadth-first and accidentally changed to depth-first in 4.7.
   [account.cpp] gnc_accounts_and_all_descendants converted from scm
   [CI]Work around new git security measure.
   [balsheet-pnl] faster definition of balance lists
   [gnc-numeric.cpp] Reduce logging level of gnc_numeric exception message 
because exceptions are expected in some use cases.
   Redo icon handling in cmake

   Using globs for file copying prevents cmake from discovering newly added 
icons. Writing rules that explicitly use lists of icons will fix this as a new 
icon in the sources will have to be added to the list and will force reparsing 
by cmake. We have to maintain the lists anyway for our dist target so there's 
actually no extra work involved for the devs.
   [assistant-stock-transaction] better Dr/Cr imbalance error message

New API:

   gnc:accounts-and-all-descendants-sorted
   gnc-accounts-and-all-descendantsNone

Deprecations:

   gnc:account-path-less-p
   gnc:accounts-and-all-descendants

New and Updated Translations: Arabic, Chinese (Simplified), Croatian, English 
(United Kingdom), French, German, Hebrew, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Korean, 
Nepali, Norwegian Bokmål, Polish, Portuguese (Brazil), Russian, Spanish, 
Swedish, Ukrainian
Help translate GnuCash on Weblate
Known Problems

Complete list of all open bugs.
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Documentation

Concurrent with the release of GnuCash 4.11 we're pleased to also release a new 
version of the companion Help and Tutorial and Concepts Guide
Between 4.10.1 and XXX, the following bugfixes were accomplished:

   Bug 798414 -No way to get whole of account column displayed

The following fixes and improvements were not associated with bug reports:

   Fix crosslinking between Help and the Guide so that nightlies link to 
nightly builds and releases link to release documents on 
https://www.gnucash.org/
   Add Description of installing Perl for Finance::Quote
   Change gnc-local-$LANG into gnc-gui-$LANG in all files.
   dtd-docbook: Separation of the declaration of entities of the GUI from their 
translatable part.
   Add tests related to images and figures
   Warn if document 

Re: [GNC] Date column width

[William Prescott]

The solution I have found helpful is to look at the date in the lower left 
corner of the window. When the cursor is in a date field the current value of 
the date is shown in full at the bottom left. And it updates if you use plus or 
minus keys to change the date.

Will

On 2022 May 12, at 05-12 13:15:15, Jesse Ayers  wrote:

Using GnuCash 4.10, Build ID: 4.10+(2022-03-26) on a Mac laptop, OS10.13.6

For the register/ledger of any account, the default width for the date column 
is fine until one clicks on a date to edit it. Then the date numbers are wider 
than the column so that the date can no longer be read. This widening appears 
to be because once a cell in the date column is selected, there appears a 
downward pointing arrow icon that opens a calendar to use in date editing.

I can manually drag the column width to be wider, but the dragging applies only 
to the one account that is open and no others (does not widen universally) and 
further, the new column width is not “remembered,” so that the next time I open 
GNC, the column width is reset to the default “too narrow."

Has anyone else run into this?  Is there s fix that does not require 
programming?


Jesse
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Re: [GNC] Minor issue that's becoming an irritant...

[William Prescott]

For the record, this is not a problem with Gnucash 4.10 on MacOS 12.3. The 
menus are on the same monitor as the Gnucash window.

Will

On 2022 Apr 30, at 04-30 05:50:55, Frank H. Ellenberger 
 wrote:

Hi,

please watch Bug 797070 - With multiple monitors, menus only open in one
monitor, regardless of which monitor GnuCash window is located
https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797070

Regards
Frank

Am 29.04.22 um 19:10 schrieb Christopher Chase:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm a brand new user to GnuCash.  I have a 3 monitor setup and GnuCash
> *INSISTS* on opening on the left monitor.  It seems like a minor issue, but
> it's getting really annoying.
> 
> I'm using Windows 10.  I've googled how to get an app to open on a specific
> monitor, but it doesn't work.  I've verified which monitor is primary for
> Windows.  I've uninstalled GnuCash, deleted every hidden directory and file
> I could find in AppData, cleaned out the registry, etc., even disconnected
> the other monitors before reinstalling.  Once I reconnect all the monitors,
> GnuCash opens on the left monitor.  I don't have this problem with any
> other app.
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Re: [GNC] New to GnuCash SQLite on Windows: I have questions

[William Prescott]

In my experience, on MacOS, double-clicking on a Gnucash file opens Gnucash but 
not necessarily with the file that was double-clicked. Gnucash will open with 
whatever was the last file used.

So, on MacOS, the suffix is useful, sort of. But it is not handled the way most 
applications handle double-clicked files.

Will

On 2022 Apr 21, at 04-21 11:54:11, Geert Janssens  
wrote:

Op donderdag 21 april 2022 16:36:36 CEST schreef Bert Riding:
> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 08:45:20 +0100
> 
> Chris Green  wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 05:54:31PM -0700, john wrote:
 On Apr 20, 2022, at 1:58 AM, Liz  wrote:
 
 On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 09:02:16 +0100
 
 Chris Green  wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 09:20:56PM -0400, Derek Atkins wrote:
>>> 1. Is there any way to get GnuCash to save its file, by
>>> default, with an appropriate suffix other than "gnucash?"
>> 
>> Sure, tell it to do that.  It only adds ".gnucash" by default,
>> but it won't override what you tell it.
> 
> Where do you tell it that?
 
 "Save As" in the menu should do it.
>>> 
>>> Be careful to switch back to the "primary" file after doing that,
>>> otherwise the primary will become the snapshot and new work will go
>>> into the new file.
>> 
>> But that's the ultimate aim! :-
>> 
>> Instead of having the long, clumsy, "gnucash" suffix one wants
>> something tidier like "gc".
>> 
>> Remember on Linux the whole filename is always displayed so all those
>> "gnucash" suffixes get a bit wearing after a while.
> 
> In my experience gnucash doesn't care what your data file is called,
> with or without any suffix you care to use.  Personally I use none.
> Once you have opened the file and gnucash knows of it, it will show up
> in the recents list automatically.

True. GnuCash doesn't care. However operating system file managers in general 
do care. 
They use the extension to figure out which application to launch when you 
double-click a file. 
But if you don't use that feature (and many don't with GnuCash as it remembers 
which file 
you last opened) you're ok without file extension.

Regards,

Geert

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Re: [GNC] New to GnuCash SQLite on Windows: I have questions

[William Prescott]

Unlike —real— databases, SQLite files are just ordinary files. You can copy and 
move them like any other file. So they can be backed up with a simple copy.

Will

On 2022 Apr 19, at 04-19 22:59:04, David Carlson  
wrote:

I would like to add a question to Tom's list.  Is there any way to easily
make periodic backups of SQLite data files?

On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 8:21 PM Derek Atkins  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> On Tue, April 19, 2022 7:55 pm, Tom Browder wrote:
>> I just updated my MS Windows GnuCash version to 4.10 and see the new
>> option
>> to save my GnuCash xml file in SQLite format. In general, I like it!
>> 
>> However, I had a few moments of panic when Windows wanted to save the
> file
>> without a name change.  I also forgot the changes in the SQLite file are
>> done without notice.
>> (When I first started withGnuCash on Windows, I was able to unzip the xml
>> file and save it unzipped as "myGnuCash.gnucash" successfully so I get
>> version control over a text file for readable diffs.)
>> 
>> 1. Is there any way to get GnuCash to save its file, by default, with an
>> appropriate suffix other than "gnucash?"
> 
> Sure, tell it to do that.  It only adds ".gnucash" by default, but it
> won't override what you tell it.
> 
>> 2. Is there any hope of some kind of "commit" button to use with the
>> SQLite
>> version?
> 
> The benefit of the SQL backend is that it writes all changes when you
> commit (enter) a transaction.  So no, there will not be a "Save" button.
> The "commit" button is the "Enter" key (or exiting out of a transaction
> edit).
> 
>> 3. I assume the binary SQLite file is usable with a binary copy from
>> Windows, is that true?
> 
> I'm not sure I understand this question, but the SQLite data file is
> usable from any platform.
> 
>> 4. Is there any Perl program on Windows to convert the xml file to
> SQLite?
>> Is there one on Linux?
> 
> No.  Open the XML in GnuCash and then File -> Save As to save it as SQLite.
> 
>> My immediate goal is to continue using my xml fille on Windows as the
>> master data source until I'm comfortable with the SQLite version. During
>> that time, I will periodically produce an SQLite version as a read-only
>> one
>> to experiment with on Linux.
>> 
>> I would love to do that automatically.
> 
> You mean without using File -> Save As?
> 
>> I have briefly looked at the (ugh) Python support and may go down that
>> route, but not until I've looked at compiling from github on Linux and
>> looked at what's available.
> 
> Yes, you may be able to use the Python bindings to open the XML file and
> SaveAs SQL.  I've never tried it.
> 
>> Thanks for any help or suggestions.
>> 
>> -Tom
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash 4.10-1 won't open (Ronald Boyd)

[William Prescott]

For those who may have missed it, 4.10-1 had a number of issues on Macs. Our 
friendly developers have fixed them. Make sure you get 4.10-3. It should be 
working fine on Monterey and M1 chipped machines.

Will

On 2022 Mar 30, at 03-30 20:37:00, arthur brogard via gnucash-user 
 wrote:

4.10-1 wouldn't even download for me. My win10 was suspicious of it.
So I googled and found 4.10 advertised as the latest ver of gnucash and decided 
4.10-1 might be a hacked malware.


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  1. Re:  Customizing invoices (Helmut Eller (Adrien Monteleone)
  2.  Gnucash 4.10-1 won't open (Ronald Boyd)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2022 11:35:42 -0500
From: Adrien Monteleone 
To: gnucash-u...@lists.gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Customizing invoices (Helmut Eller
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

Helmut,

It isn't a matter of using securities on invoices.

The Security Editor is simply where you set the smallest fraction of a 
currency. (and thus the number of digits displayed) John is proposing 
tying that setting in to be used outside of securities, in this case for 
invoices amounts. (so you only set it one place)

But that is a separate issue from Quantity. Chris is working on a 
solution for both. (while researching your Quantity issue, I found the 
same problem exists for Unit Prices, so they're getting tackled together)

Regards,
Adrien

On 3/30/22 1:31 AM, Helmut Eller wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 29 2022, John Ralls wrote:
> 
>> I'd think amounts on invoices should be in some integer multiple of
>> the commodity's smallest fraction traded--that's a property of the
>> commodity that you set in the New/Edit Security dialog--and should
>> display as a decimal with the appropriate number of places if the
>> fraction's denominator is a power of 10 or a rational number if not.
>> 
>> Does that seem reasonable?
> 
> I'm not sure how securities can be used for invoices.  Anyway, in my
> case we need to split up some amount of money among seven people
> (members of a condominium).  So I thought it would be nice to use the
> original amount as unit price and 1/7 as quantity.
> 
> I think the legally correct way would be to used 143? (per mille)
> instead of the exact fraction.
> 
> Though, I must say that it's a cool feature that GnuCash uses exact
> fractions internally.  And thanks to everybody who works on this.



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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 07:53:54 -0400
From: Ronald Boyd 
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: [GNC] Gnucash 4.10-1 won't open
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8


Hello - I downloaded the latest version and unfortunately removed the previous 
version (4.9) that I was using.  When I try to open the application the 
operation fails.  Below is the information provided by my Mac.

Any help would be greatly appreciated as I rely on Gnucash for keeping my 
accounts.  I love the program but not if it won?t work.

I have re-installed 4.9-1 in the meantime.

Thank you

Ronald Boyd
boyd...@rogers.com
Canada





Process:  Gnucash [31511]
Path:  /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash
Identifier:org.gnucash.Gnucash
Version:  4.10-1 (4.10-1)
Code Type:X86-64 (Native)
Parent Process:??? [1]
Responsible:  Gnucash [31511]
User ID:  502

Date/Time:2022-03-28 07:46:58.166 -0400
OS Version:Mac OS X 10.15.7 (19H1715)
Report Version:12
Anonymous UUID:2F4DF018-C21A-C33D-9650-5DDFB4666AFE

Sleep/Wake UUID:  E322C317-398A-4B2C-9F77-4D607BC168B1

Time Awake Since Boot: 28 seconds
Time Since Wake:  88000 seconds

System Integrity Protection: enabled

Crashed Thread:0

Exception Type:EXC_CRASH (SIGABRT)
Exception Codes:  0x, 0x
Exception Note:EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY

Termination Reason:DYLD, [0x3] Wrong version

Application Specific Information:
dyld: launch, loading dependent libraries

Dyld Error Message:
  Library not loaded: @executable_path/../Resources/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib
  Referenced from: 
/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libgtkmacintegration-gtk3.4.dylib
  Reason: Incompatible library version: libgtkmacintegration-gtk3.4.dylib 
requires version 

Re: [GNC] [GNC-dev] GnuCash 4.10 Documentation and All-in-one Bundles

[William Prescott]

I downloaded 4.10-3. On Apple M1 Max chip and Monterey it looks fine. Icons are 
back, search on account field doesn't crash. Thanks for your very quick work 
cleaning that up.

Will

On 2022 Mar 29, at 03-29 15:45:35, John Ralls  wrote:

I've uploaded Gnucash-Intel-4.10-3.dmg that should have the icons back.

Regards,
John Ralls



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Re: [GNC] 4.10 cannot be opened on macOS Big Sur w/Apple Silicon

[William Prescott]

Okay. I see the same behavior on M1 Max/Monterey. It crashes when I try typing 
in the account drop down field of a transaction split.

Will

On 2022 Mar 28, at 03-28 15:13:18, Robert Kesterson  wrote:

I get the same behavior — it works fine as long as I don’t type anything in 
transfer column (which would search for and suggest a value to fill the field). 
 If I type in that field, it crashes immediately.  If I use the drop down menu, 
I can choose the account that way and it works fine.  It’s just the typing 
feature that kills it.

MacOS Monterey, Intel CPU.


On 28 Mar 2022, at 15:03, David H wrote:

> John,
> 
> FYI it doesn't work for me on Monterey on an Intel based MacBook Pro.  It
> opens at least but when adding a new txn as soon as I type a single letter
> in the description Gnucash just disappears entirely :-(  On Big Sur it
> doesn't open just displays the error message reported by others.
> 
> Cheers David H.
> 
> 
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 03:33, john  wrote:
> 
>> This has been reported as https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798489
>> <https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798489>
>> He's using Gnucash.app Sourceforge or Github, note the
>> /Applications/Gnucash.app.. paths. He just happens to also have MacPorts
>> installed.
>> 
>> @executable_path is a Mac linker feature that creates paths relative to
>> the running executable, in this case
>> /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash. .. means to back up one
>> level, so @executable_path/../Resources//lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib tells
>> the linker to look at
>> /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib.
>> It's not linking the MacPorts version of libcairo-gobject.2.dylib.
>> 
>> The error message is quite clear: "Incompatible library version:
>> libgtkmacintegration-gtk3.4.dylib requires version 11603.0.0 or later, but
>> libcairo-gobject.2.dylib provides version 2.0.0" and your otool checks bear
>> that out: (compatibility version 2.0.0, current version 2.0.0) vs.
>> (compatibility version 11603.0.0, current version 11603.0.0). The linker
>> would be happy if it was able to find the MacPorts libcairo-gobject,
>> because ((compatibility version 11707.0.0, current version 11707.0.0):
>> 11707 > 11603, but 2 isn't.
>> 
>> It's strange that it works on Monterey, not that it fails on BigSur (and
>> earlier, as the bug reporter is using Catalina and another poster here is
>> using Mojave).
>> 
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2022, at 9:51 AM, William Prescott 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are you installing it with MacPorts? Or from the .dmg file on
>> SourceForge?
>>> 
>>> 
>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20%28stable%29/4.10/Gnucash-Intel-4.10-1.dmg/download
>> <
>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20(stable)/4.10/Gnucash-Intel-4.10-1.dmg/download
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Will
>>> 
>>> On 2022 Mar 28, at 03-28 10:33:09, John W. O'Brien via gnucash-user <
>> gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It looks like this might be a bad interaction with software installed
>> via MacPorts, but I don't understand the versioning and dynamic loader well
>> enough to be sure or to do anything about it.
>>> 
>>> $ otool -L
>> /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib |
>> grep libcairo-gobject
>>> 
>> /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib:
>>>  @executable_path/../Resources//lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib
>> (compatibility version 2.0.0, current version 2.0.0)
>>> $ otool -L /opt/local/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib | grep
>> libcairo-gobject
>>> /opt/local/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib:
>>>  /opt/local/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib (compatibility version
>> 11707.0.0, current version 11707.0.0)
>>> $ otool -L
>> /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libgtkmacintegration-gtk3.4.dylib
>> | grep libcairo-gobje
>>> ct
>>>  @executable_path/../Resources/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib
>> (compatibility version 11603.0.0, current version 11603.0.0)
>>> 
>>> On 3/28/22 10:25, William Prescott wrote:
>>>> It ran fine on my MacBookPro M1 Max with Monterey.
>>>> Will
>>>> On 2022 Mar 28, at 03-28 08:03:09, John W. O'Brien via gnucash-user <
>> gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
>>>> Good morning all,
>>>> Congratulations on the new release.
>&g

Re: [GNC] 4.10 cannot be opened on macOS Big Sur w/Apple Silicon

[William Prescott]

One additional note, I doubt this is relevant, but for what it is worth. I 
don't run Gnucash from the Applications folder directly. I have it in a 
subfolder.

/Applications/Gnucash/Gnucash-4.10-1/Gnucash.app

I have separate folders for many versions going back to 2.6.1-1

Will



On 2022 Mar 28, at 03-28 14:33:58, William Prescott  
wrote:

Curious. Before I had just verified that it opened without doing any work. But 
now I have Gnucash open and have added transactions and saved without a problem.

Gnucash
Version: 4.10
Build ID: 4.10+(2022-03-26)

MacOS 
Monterey
12.3

MacBook Pro (16-inch, 2021)
Chip Apple M1 Max
Memory 64 GB


On 2022 Mar 28, at 03-28 14:03:26, David H mailto:hell...@gmail.com>> wrote:

John,

FYI it doesn't work for me on Monterey on an Intel based MacBook Pro.  It opens 
at least but when adding a new txn as soon as I type a single letter in the 
description Gnucash just disappears entirely :-(  On Big Sur it doesn't open 
just displays the error message reported by others.

Cheers David H.


On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 03:33, john mailto:jra...@ceridwen.us>> wrote:
This has been reported as https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798489 
<https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798489>
 <https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798489 
<https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798489>>
He's using Gnucash.app Sourceforge or Github, note the 
/Applications/Gnucash.app.. paths. He just happens to also have MacPorts 
installed.

@executable_path is a Mac linker feature that creates paths relative to the 
running executable, in this case 
/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash. .. means to back up one 
level, so @executable_path/../Resources//lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib tells the 
linker to look at 
/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib. It's 
not linking the MacPorts version of libcairo-gobject.2.dylib.

The error message is quite clear: "Incompatible library version: 
libgtkmacintegration-gtk3.4.dylib requires version 11603.0.0 or later, but 
libcairo-gobject.2.dylib provides version 2.0.0" and your otool checks bear 
that out: (compatibility version 2.0.0, current version 2.0.0) vs. 
(compatibility version 11603.0.0, current version 11603.0.0). The linker would 
be happy if it was able to find the MacPorts libcairo-gobject, because 
((compatibility version 11707.0.0, current version 11707.0.0): 11707 > 11603, 
but 2 isn't.

It's strange that it works on Monterey, not that it fails on BigSur (and 
earlier, as the bug reporter is using Catalina and another poster here is using 
Mojave).

Regards,
John Ralls



> On Mar 28, 2022, at 9:51 AM, William Prescott  <mailto:w...@theprescotts.com>> wrote:
> 
> Are you installing it with MacPorts? Or from the .dmg file on SourceForge?
> 
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20%28stable%29/4.10/Gnucash-Intel-4.10-1.dmg/download
>  
> <https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20%28stable%29/4.10/Gnucash-Intel-4.10-1.dmg/download><https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20(stable)/4.10/Gnucash-Intel-4.10-1.dmg/download
>  
> <https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20(stable)/4.10/Gnucash-Intel-4.10-1.dmg/download>>
> 
> Will
> 
> On 2022 Mar 28, at 03-28 10:33:09, John W. O'Brien via gnucash-user 
> mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>> wrote:
> 
> It looks like this might be a bad interaction with software installed via 
> MacPorts, but I don't understand the versioning and dynamic loader well 
> enough to be sure or to do anything about it.
> 
> $ otool -L 
> /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib | 
> grep libcairo-gobject
> /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib:
>   @executable_path/../Resources//lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib 
> (compatibility version 2.0.0, current version 2.0.0)
> $ otool -L /opt/local/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib | grep libcairo-gobject
> /opt/local/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib:
>   /opt/local/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib (compatibility version 
> 11707.0.0, current version 11707.0.0)
> $ otool -L 
> /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libgtkmacintegration-gtk3.4.dylib
>  | grep libcairo-gobje
> ct
>   @executable_path/../Resources/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib 
> (compatibility version 11603.0.0, current version 11603.0.0)
> 
> On 3/28/22 10:25, William Prescott wrote:
>> It ran fine on my MacBookPro M1 Max with Monterey.
>> Will
>> On 2022 Mar 28, at 03-28 08:03:09, John W. O'Brien via gnucash-user 
>> mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>> wrote:
>> Good morning all,
>> Congratulations on the new release.
>> I am unable to run the new 4.10 on my MacBook Air (M1, 2020) with Big Sur 
>> (1

Re: [GNC] 4.10 cannot be opened on macOS Big Sur w/Apple Silicon

[William Prescott]

Curious. Before I had just verified that it opened without doing any work. But 
now I have Gnucash open and have added a transaction and saved without a 
problem.

Gnucash
Version: 4.10
Build ID: 4.10+(2022-03-26)

MacOS 
Monterey
12.3

MacBook Pro (16-inch, 2021)
Chip Apple M1 Max
Memory 64 GB


On 2022 Mar 28, at 03-28 14:03:26, David H  wrote:

John,

FYI it doesn't work for me on Monterey on an Intel based MacBook Pro.  It opens 
at least but when adding a new txn as soon as I type a single letter in the 
description Gnucash just disappears entirely :-(  On Big Sur it doesn't open 
just displays the error message reported by others.

Cheers David H.


On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 03:33, john mailto:jra...@ceridwen.us>> wrote:
This has been reported as https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798489 
<https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798489>
 <https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798489 
<https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798489>>
He's using Gnucash.app Sourceforge or Github, note the 
/Applications/Gnucash.app.. paths. He just happens to also have MacPorts 
installed.

@executable_path is a Mac linker feature that creates paths relative to the 
running executable, in this case 
/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash. .. means to back up one 
level, so @executable_path/../Resources//lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib tells the 
linker to look at 
/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib. It's 
not linking the MacPorts version of libcairo-gobject.2.dylib.

The error message is quite clear: "Incompatible library version: 
libgtkmacintegration-gtk3.4.dylib requires version 11603.0.0 or later, but 
libcairo-gobject.2.dylib provides version 2.0.0" and your otool checks bear 
that out: (compatibility version 2.0.0, current version 2.0.0) vs. 
(compatibility version 11603.0.0, current version 11603.0.0). The linker would 
be happy if it was able to find the MacPorts libcairo-gobject, because 
((compatibility version 11707.0.0, current version 11707.0.0): 11707 > 11603, 
but 2 isn't.

It's strange that it works on Monterey, not that it fails on BigSur (and 
earlier, as the bug reporter is using Catalina and another poster here is using 
Mojave).

Regards,
John Ralls



> On Mar 28, 2022, at 9:51 AM, William Prescott  <mailto:w...@theprescotts.com>> wrote:
> 
> Are you installing it with MacPorts? Or from the .dmg file on SourceForge?
> 
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20%28stable%29/4.10/Gnucash-Intel-4.10-1.dmg/download
>  
> <https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20%28stable%29/4.10/Gnucash-Intel-4.10-1.dmg/download><https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20(stable)/4.10/Gnucash-Intel-4.10-1.dmg/download
>  
> <https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20(stable)/4.10/Gnucash-Intel-4.10-1.dmg/download>>
> 
> Will
> 
> On 2022 Mar 28, at 03-28 10:33:09, John W. O'Brien via gnucash-user 
> mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>> wrote:
> 
> It looks like this might be a bad interaction with software installed via 
> MacPorts, but I don't understand the versioning and dynamic loader well 
> enough to be sure or to do anything about it.
> 
> $ otool -L 
> /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib | 
> grep libcairo-gobject
> /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib:
>   @executable_path/../Resources//lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib 
> (compatibility version 2.0.0, current version 2.0.0)
> $ otool -L /opt/local/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib | grep libcairo-gobject
> /opt/local/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib:
>   /opt/local/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib (compatibility version 
> 11707.0.0, current version 11707.0.0)
> $ otool -L 
> /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libgtkmacintegration-gtk3.4.dylib
>  | grep libcairo-gobje
> ct
>   @executable_path/../Resources/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib 
> (compatibility version 11603.0.0, current version 11603.0.0)
> 
> On 3/28/22 10:25, William Prescott wrote:
>> It ran fine on my MacBookPro M1 Max with Monterey.
>> Will
>> On 2022 Mar 28, at 03-28 08:03:09, John W. O'Brien via gnucash-user 
>> mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>> wrote:
>> Good morning all,
>> Congratulations on the new release.
>> I am unable to run the new 4.10 on my MacBook Air (M1, 2020) with Big Sur 
>> (11.6.5). 4.9 has been running fine, as recently as this morning.
>> The essence of the crash log is:
>> 
>> Termination Reason:DYLD, [0x3] Wrong version
>> Application Specific Information:
>> dyld: launch, loading dependent libraries
>> Dyld Error Message:
>> Library not loaded: 
>> @executable_path/../Resources/lib/li

Re: [GNC] 4.10 cannot be opened on macOS Big Sur w/Apple Silicon

[William Prescott]

Are you installing it with MacPorts? Or from the .dmg file on SourceForge?

https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20%28stable%29/4.10/Gnucash-Intel-4.10-1.dmg/download
 
<https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20(stable)/4.10/Gnucash-Intel-4.10-1.dmg/download>

Will

On 2022 Mar 28, at 03-28 10:33:09, John W. O'Brien via gnucash-user 
 wrote:

It looks like this might be a bad interaction with software installed via 
MacPorts, but I don't understand the versioning and dynamic loader well enough 
to be sure or to do anything about it.

$ otool -L 
/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib | 
grep libcairo-gobject
/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib:
@executable_path/../Resources//lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib 
(compatibility version 2.0.0, current version 2.0.0)
$ otool -L /opt/local/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib | grep libcairo-gobject
/opt/local/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib:
/opt/local/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib (compatibility version 
11707.0.0, current version 11707.0.0)
$ otool -L 
/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libgtkmacintegration-gtk3.4.dylib
 | grep libcairo-gobje
ct
@executable_path/../Resources/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib 
(compatibility version 11603.0.0, current version 11603.0.0)

On 3/28/22 10:25, William Prescott wrote:
> It ran fine on my MacBookPro M1 Max with Monterey.
> Will
> On 2022 Mar 28, at 03-28 08:03:09, John W. O'Brien via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
> Good morning all,
> Congratulations on the new release.
> I am unable to run the new 4.10 on my MacBook Air (M1, 2020) with Big Sur 
> (11.6.5). 4.9 has been running fine, as recently as this morning.
> The essence of the crash log is:
> 
> Termination Reason:DYLD, [0x3] Wrong version
> Application Specific Information:
> dyld: launch, loading dependent libraries
> Dyld Error Message:
>  Library not loaded: 
> @executable_path/../Resources/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib
>  Referenced from: 
> /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libgtkmacintegration-gtk3.4.dylib
>  Reason: Incompatible library version: libgtkmacintegration-gtk3.4.dylib 
> requires version 11603.0.0 or later, but libcairo-gobject.2.dylib provides 
> version 2.0.0
> 
> Full log is available on request.
> What else could I do to diagnose and resolve this?
> Thank you,
> John
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Re: [GNC] 4.10 cannot be opened on macOS Big Sur w/Apple Silicon

[William Prescott]

It ran fine on my MacBookPro M1 Max with Monterey.

Will

On 2022 Mar 28, at 03-28 08:03:09, John W. O'Brien via gnucash-user 
 wrote:

Good morning all,

Congratulations on the new release.

I am unable to run the new 4.10 on my MacBook Air (M1, 2020) with Big Sur 
(11.6.5). 4.9 has been running fine, as recently as this morning.

The essence of the crash log is:


Termination Reason:DYLD, [0x3] Wrong version

Application Specific Information:
dyld: launch, loading dependent libraries

Dyld Error Message:
 Library not loaded: @executable_path/../Resources/lib/libcairo-gobject.2.dylib
 Referenced from: 
/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libgtkmacintegration-gtk3.4.dylib
 Reason: Incompatible library version: libgtkmacintegration-gtk3.4.dylib 
requires version 11603.0.0 or later, but libcairo-gobject.2.dylib provides 
version 2.0.0


Full log is available on request.

What else could I do to diagnose and resolve this?

Thank you,
John
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Re: [GNC] mac fails to open gnucash file

[William Prescott]

There was a problem with 4.8 on Monterey. I don't remember the symptoms, but 
upgrading to 4.8-2 or 4.9 fixed it. Either should be compatible with 4.8 on 
Linux.

Will

On 2022 Mar 4, at 03-04 18:39:04, brad  wrote:

I suddenly can't open a gnucash file (it worked recently) on Mac. Gnucash 4.8.  
 The Mac recently updated to 12.2.1, Monterey & that may have broken gnucash.
It will have an error msg like: 'Can't parse the URL/Volumes/.../brad.gnucash'
We usually run it on a Samba share, but I copied it over to the Mac and it 
can't open it on the hard drive either.   I've tried opening from finder, or 
from GC

If the answer is to update GC to 4.9 on the mac, can I keep running 4.8 on 
linux and be compatible?

Thx
Brad
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Re: [GNC] Automatic sales tax

[William Prescott]

Sebastian,

Just to clarify, where the "item changed hands" may not be the seller's 
location. I use to live just outside the border of a city that charged a sales 
tax. When purchasing an item from a store within the city, I would pay sales 
tax if I went into the store, purchased it, and took it home. However, if I 
went into the store and purchased something that they then delivered to my 
house, e.g. lumber, there was no sales tax. So the tax was based on the 
delivery address not the seller's location.

Will

On 2022 Feb 28, at 02-28 08:58:44, Sebastian Naumann  
wrote:

Hi Michael,

for sure, you are right.

If it's not an internet sale, then the purchase was made at the seller's 
location (i.e. where the item exchanged hands) so the seller charges the rate 
at their location.

Have a great day everyone.

Am 2/28/22 um 3:34 PM schrieb Michael or Penny Novack:
> On 2/28/2022 2:50 AM, Sebastian Naumann wrote:
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> sorry, but I tend to disagree with your statement that "[...] most states 
>> consider the location of the seller to be the nexus...". Actually the second 
>> part of the statement is correct: Most states are destination based, meaning 
>> the location of the buyer is relevant. There you will have to keep in mind 
>> the economic nexus thresholds as well, meaning if you have x transactions / 
>> $x of Gross sales per a certain period in the destination state, you will 
>> have to register there.
>> 
>> Have a great day and please correct me here if you believe that I am wrong.
> 
> I think that is perhaps confusion more than right/wrong.
> 
> In remote sales (internet, etc.)  it is the location of the buyer.
> 
> But if not a remote sale, if person living in state A buys something at a 
> seller in state B (and state B has sales tax) collected based on that. Now 
> the buyer might still owe sales tax to state A when bringing the whatever 
> home. When they pay that on their state return, they can claim credit for the 
> sales tax (if any) already paid for that thing to state B.
> 
> Living as I do in a state which has sales tax and has a neighboring state 
> that does not, I am of course very familiar with this. People living in my 
> state A close to the border often intentionally shop in state B, especially 
> for small things they can get away with not reporting. It is also why state A 
> has a special way of checking that sales tax is paid on big ticket items like 
> vehicles (proof of sales tax needed for registering the vehicle).
> 
> Michael  Novack
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Re: [GNC] Report question

[William Prescott]

I just looked at the html code for the transaction reports exported in html 
format. It would be trivial to write a converter to convert them to csv. And 
they are simple enough that probably all the existing html-to-csv converters 
would do a good job on them.

Will


On 2022 Feb 26, at 02-26 11:00:54, William Prescott  
wrote:

I found the same thing recently. I also would find it helpful to be able to 
export a transaction report as csv. If I had some free time, I would consider 
looking into adding that, but right now, I don't have the time.

Will

On 2022 Feb 26, at 02-26 10:56:27, Paul Kinzelman  wrote:

Thank you for the detailed instructions.
I found that 'Transaction Report' will do what I want, but then
I can't export to CSV.

I can export to HTML by Export Report
I can 'Export as PDF' but not CSV. That's what I'm missing.
This would be really nice to add.

I can Export Transactions, but that does not export the transactions
of the transaction report which is what I wanted to do.

On 2/25/2022 6:08 PM, Tommy Trussell wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 9:27 AM Paul Kinzelman  wrote:
> 
>   Do you mean Account Report? But when I go to File | Export, it asks
>   me which accounts again, it doesn't export the actual report.
> 
>   When I export the transactions I want, it exports both sides of the
>   transaction, so the column sum is always zero whereas I want the
>   sum of the transactions.
> 
>   In other words, each transaction takes two lines, the line I want
>   (the expense of what I bought), and the next line which is the
>   account that paid it (like a charge card).
> 
>   How do I get rid of the double-lines on the export?
> 
> 
> We're apparently not seeing the same thing you are.
> 
> Here's a way to get an Account Report for your credit card transactions. 
> (This is using GnuCash 4.9.)
> 
> 1) Open the account
>   Accounts tab --> open Liabilities : Credit Cards : BigBankTwo VISA  (yours 
> will differ)
> 
> 2) Use Filter By to select the transactions you want [while the register is 
> active]
>   View --> Filter By (choose parameters such as date, number of days, 
> reconciled, etc.)
> 
> 3) Open Account Report [while the filtered register is active]
>Reports --> Account Report
> 
> 4) Adjust the options on the report
>   Edit --> Report Options
>   (here you can adjust specific columns, single or double amount columns, 
> totals or running total, style, report name, etc.)
> 
> 5) Export the report
>You can copy what's on your screen and paste it into a word processor or 
> spreadsheet
>OR
>File --> Export --> Export Report  (give it a name -- it will save an 
> .html file you can open with a web browser or a spreadsheet program)
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Re: [GNC] Report question

[William Prescott]

I found the same thing recently. I also would find it helpful to be able to 
export a transaction report as csv. If I had some free time, I would consider 
looking into adding that, but right now, I don't have the time.

Will

On 2022 Feb 26, at 02-26 10:56:27, Paul Kinzelman  wrote:

Thank you for the detailed instructions.
I found that 'Transaction Report' will do what I want, but then
I can't export to CSV.

I can export to HTML by Export Report
I can 'Export as PDF' but not CSV. That's what I'm missing.
This would be really nice to add.

I can Export Transactions, but that does not export the transactions
of the transaction report which is what I wanted to do.

On 2/25/2022 6:08 PM, Tommy Trussell wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 9:27 AM Paul Kinzelman  wrote:
> 
>Do you mean Account Report? But when I go to File | Export, it asks
>me which accounts again, it doesn't export the actual report.
> 
>When I export the transactions I want, it exports both sides of the
>transaction, so the column sum is always zero whereas I want the
>sum of the transactions.
> 
>In other words, each transaction takes two lines, the line I want
>(the expense of what I bought), and the next line which is the
>account that paid it (like a charge card).
> 
>How do I get rid of the double-lines on the export?
> 
> 
> We're apparently not seeing the same thing you are.
> 
> Here's a way to get an Account Report for your credit card transactions. 
> (This is using GnuCash 4.9.)
> 
> 1) Open the account
>Accounts tab --> open Liabilities : Credit Cards : BigBankTwo VISA  (yours 
> will differ)
> 
> 2) Use Filter By to select the transactions you want [while the register is 
> active]
>View --> Filter By (choose parameters such as date, number of days, 
> reconciled, etc.)
> 
> 3) Open Account Report [while the filtered register is active]
> Reports --> Account Report
> 
> 4) Adjust the options on the report
>Edit --> Report Options
>(here you can adjust specific columns, single or double amount columns, 
> totals or running total, style, report name, etc.)
> 
> 5) Export the report
> You can copy what's on your screen and paste it into a word processor or 
> spreadsheet
> OR
> File --> Export --> Export Report  (give it a name -- it will save an 
> .html file you can open with a web browser or a spreadsheet program)
> 
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Re: [GNC] Report question

[William Prescott]

In the csv file created by exporting transactions, sort on the date field 
before doing anything. That will bring together all of the transactions on one 
line each without the other side of them.

Will

On 2022 Feb 24, at 02-24 12:56:15, Paul Kinzelman  wrote:

If I do a Search for the transactions I want, and then Export
Active Register, I can look at the CSV in a spreadsheet, but
both accounts of the transaction appear in the same column
so the sum of the amount column is always zero.

How do I export just one account's amount of each transaction
without the other side of the transaction being there so that
the sum of the column actually represents the sum of the
expenses of that Search?

TIA!




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Re: [GNC] reconcile problem?

[William Prescott]

Ditto to Derek's comment. I've been using Gnucash since 2011, somewhat 
regularly (I wish it was monhtly) balancing some 20 odd accounts, checking, 
savings, investment and credit cards. Whenever I've run into problems it always 
turned out to be something I screwed up. 

The only one I regularly have problems with is a cash account. Balancing it 
with the cash in my pockets is often off and that is clearly because I forget 
to record a cash expense.

Good luck,
Will

On 2022 Feb 23, at 02-23 08:51:57, Derek Atkins  wrote:

HI,

On Wed, February 23, 2022 9:35 am, Paul Kinzelman wrote:
> I always balance my accounts every month. I used to use Quicken before
> they went to a rental model. Credit cards always balanced every month
> for me.
> 
> I've been using GC for several years now, and notice that I sometimes
> can't
> get cards to balance, I have to add an imbalance amount. Then this
> month, I noticed that a charge that was on this month's statement
> and not last month's statement was already marked as reconciled in GC.
> 
> Has anybody else noticed anything like this?
> 
> I don't even know how to track this kind of thing down, whether it's
> a bug, or I'm just getting older and senile. :-)

without being rude, I would suggest the latter.
How are you entering your transactions?
I always enter them manually (I NEVER import), and when I have a problem
balancing I find it's *ALMOST ALWAYS* an error on my part (especially with
my wife's card, because I don't get receipts from any online shopping she
does).  When entering I find I sometimes swap digits, which causes the
result to be off.
Every once in a while I have to cancel the reconcile and start over and
CAREFULLY watch the numbers to find where I entered something incorrectly.

If you find you're off, then check again -- most likely something was
entered wrong.  Either that or you modified an existing, reconciled
transaction (from the other side) which caused a break in that starting
balance.

> Ideas?
> 
> TIA!

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Re: [GNC] Trying to register transactions in a different currency than your main one.

[William Prescott]

Luis,

What problem do you have. I am on Gnucash 4.9-1, MacOS 12.2.1. I have some 
accounts in US dollars and some in Mexican Pesos. The default is Pesos. I 
regularly move money between the two. When I do, it adds a record to the Price 
Database. The Peso account shows the values in Pesos. The Dollar account shows 
the value in Dollars.

Will

On 2022 Feb 15, at 02-15 05:46:29, LuisDaniel Lafaurie  
wrote:

Hello everybody,

I've been following instructions from 'Gnucash Tutorial and Concepts Guide'
in relation to how to register transactions in a different currency than
your default one.

It seems said instructions used to work on a gnucash version from around
2006, but now when trying to follow them in version 4.9 everything looks to
work the other way around, meaning there's no clear way to register the
intended transactions.

Is it there someone willing to join me and test them, so we could try and
make this feature work?

I understand everyone has their own daily tasks to deal with, and I'd be
grateful if we could manage to have a look into this.

Regards,

Luis Lafaurie
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Re: [GNC] cannot open data file

[William Prescott]

Same command works in MacOS from a terminal window.

On 2022 Feb 13, at 02-13 12:07:08, Jean-David Beyer via gnucash-user 
 wrote:

On 2/13/22 12:00, Michael or Penny Novack wrote:
> On 2/13/2022 10:12 AM, suk wah Bernstein wrote:
>> thanks for help.
>> 
> You didn't bother to tell us your OS (makes a difference on how you find lost 
> files)
> This isn't really a gnucash question but more of a "I think I know the name 
> and/or extension of a file but can't find it" (don't know the full name aka 
> "file path")

True. In Linux, the locate command can find these things.

$ locate -i gnucash | grep JeanDavid

/home/jeandavid8/.gnucash/.gnucash/books/JeanDavid.2006.gnucash.gcm
/home/jeandavid8/.gnucash/.gnucash/books/JeanDavid.2006.gnucash.gcm.HIDE
/home/jeandavid8/.local/share/gnucash/.gnucash/books
   /JeanDavid.2006.gnucash.gcm
/home/jeandavid8/.local/share/gnucash/.gnucash/books
   /JeanDavid.2006.gnucash.gcm.HIDE
/home/jeandavid8/.local/share/gnucash/books/JeanDavid.2006.gnucash.gcm
/home/jeandavid8/GnuCash/JeanDavid.2006.gnucash
/home/jeandavid8/GnuCash/JeanDavid.2006.gnucash.20220114012744.log
/home/jeandavid8/GnuCash/JeanDavid.2006.gnucash.20220114090845.log
/home/jeandavid8/GnuCash/JeanDavid.2006.gnucash.20220114100724.log
[snip]
/home/jeandavid8/GnuCash/JeanDavid.2006.gnucash.20220212132057.log
/home/jeandavid8/GnuCash/JeanDavid.2006.gnucash.20220212220250.log
/home/jeandavid8/GnuCash/JeanDavid.2006.gnucash.20220212220441.gnucash
/home/jeandavid8/GnuCash/JeanDavid.2006.gnucash.20220212220442.log

> The question about backups was again not really about gnucash. It's about ALL 
> of the user data on your computer.
If you don't have a data backup process in place, it isn't a matter of if some 
of your data will get lost but when.


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Re: [GNC] couple questions

[William Prescott]

PS

The print instructions I gave will print to a file. That file can be opened 
with Preview and printed normally. You may be able to send it directly to a 
printer after setting the options. I don't have a printer so I didn't think 
about that. I just take things to a copy shop a block away when I want to print 
which is rare. That way I don't have to mess with printers and cartridges for 
the dozen times a year when I want a hard copy.

On 2022 Jan 17, at 01-17 13:01:55, William Prescott  
wrote:

Heide,

My suggestion is: Do NOT update Gnucash and change computers at the same time. 
Update Gnucash now, so that when you transfer stuff to your new computer you 
will not be making any changes to Gnucash at that time.

When you update Gnucash, do it one version at a time, i.e. first update to 
3.0-1, then to 4.0, then to 4.9. At each step make a backup of the Gnucash data 
file before updating and check that things look okay after updating. On a Mac 
operating system, I have had no problem keeping the old versions around while I 
try out newer ones. I have a Gnucash folder in Applications. It contains 
subfolders for Gnucash 2.6.1-1, 3.0-1, 3.10, 4.0, 4.1, 4.1.4, 4.2, 4.4, 4.5, 
4.6, 4.7, 4.8, 4.8-2, 4.9.The Gnucash.app is in each of the subfolders and I 
can just double click on any one of them to run it.

I don't think you need to go through all of the versions updating one by one, 
but certainly go through each of the major version, 3 and 4. Do not try to got 
straight from 2 to 4.

The datafile format changes from major version to major version. So don't go 
backwards. Backup your current datafile, open Gnucash 3.x, make sure it is 
okay, save changes, make a new backup, open Gnucash 4.x, make sure it is okay, 
save changes, etc. Keep track of which backup corresponds with a working copy 
and which version it worked with. 

You shouldn't have any trouble. As you can see I have gone through a lot of 
versions and never had any issues.

Regarding your second question:
Create a transaction report from the Reports menu
Click on Options at the top of the Transaction report window
Click on Accounts within the options dialog
Select the account you want
Click Apply
Click on General 
Select the time period you want
Click Apply
Click on Display
Select the Running Balances check box if you want those.
Click Apply
Click OK when you have all the options set
Then select Print Report from the File menu
The Print dialog box is not very Mac-like but it works fine
Select Print to File
Then click on the filename
That will open another dialog box that will let you choose where to put it.
If you click print without clicking on the filename, it will save it, but you 
might have trouble finding it.

Good luck,
Will


On 2022 Jan 17, at 01-17 12:10:31, Heide Wang  wrote:

Hello,

I have couple questions. I started using Gnucash in 2015 to keep basic 
financial record of a trust account. I am using Gnucash 2.6.18 (I know it is 
old version), and my mac operation system is 10.14.6. My computer is about 9 
years old. Although everything is working fine now, but I know I need to 
upgrade my computer soon. When I up grade my computer, I will download the 
newest version of Gnucash. How can I transfer all the data to the newer version 
of Gnucash?? I would like to get a step by step instruction so I wouldn’t loss 
my old data.

My second question is there anyway to print the detail page of certain account 
? For example, when I open my bank account page, it shows the list date of 
deposit or withdraw, description, amount and balance line by line,  Can I print 
it for my paper record? 

Thanks for the help.

Heide


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Re: [GNC] couple questions

[William Prescott]

Heide,

My suggestion is: Do NOT update Gnucash and change computers at the same time. 
Update Gnucash now, so that when you transfer stuff to your new computer you 
will not be making any changes to Gnucash at that time.

When you update Gnucash, do it one version at a time, i.e. first update to 
3.0-1, then to 4.0, then to 4.9. At each step make a backup of the Gnucash data 
file before updating and check that things look okay after updating. On a Mac 
operating system, I have had no problem keeping the old versions around while I 
try out newer ones. I have a Gnucash folder in Applications. It contains 
subfolders for Gnucash 2.6.1-1, 3.0-1, 3.10, 4.0, 4.1, 4.1.4, 4.2, 4.4, 4.5, 
4.6, 4.7, 4.8, 4.8-2, 4.9.The Gnucash.app is in each of the subfolders and I 
can just double click on any one of them to run it.

I don't think you need to go through all of the versions updating one by one, 
but certainly go through each of the major version, 3 and 4. Do not try to got 
straight from 2 to 4.

The datafile format changes from major version to major version. So don't go 
backwards. Backup your current datafile, open Gnucash 3.x, make sure it is 
okay, save changes, make a new backup, open Gnucash 4.x, make sure it is okay, 
save changes, etc. Keep track of which backup corresponds with a working copy 
and which version it worked with. 

You shouldn't have any trouble. As you can see I have gone through a lot of 
versions and never had any issues.

Regarding your second question:
Create a transaction report from the Reports menu
Click on Options at the top of the Transaction report window
Click on Accounts within the options dialog
Select the account you want
Click Apply
Click on General 
Select the time period you want
Click Apply
Click on Display
Select the Running Balances check box if you want those.
Click Apply
Click OK when you have all the options set
Then select Print Report from the File menu
The Print dialog box is not very Mac-like but it works fine
Select Print to File
Then click on the filename
That will open another dialog box that will let you choose where to put it.
If you click print without clicking on the filename, it will save it, but you 
might have trouble finding it.

Good luck,
Will


On 2022 Jan 17, at 01-17 12:10:31, Heide Wang  wrote:

Hello,

I have couple questions. I started using Gnucash in 2015 to keep basic 
financial record of a trust account. I am using Gnucash 2.6.18 (I know it is 
old version), and my mac operation system is 10.14.6. My computer is about 9 
years old. Although everything is working fine now, but I know I need to 
upgrade my computer soon. When I up grade my computer, I will download the 
newest version of Gnucash. How can I transfer all the data to the newer version 
of Gnucash?? I would like to get a step by step instruction so I wouldn’t loss 
my old data.

My second question is there anyway to print the detail page of certain account 
? For example, when I open my bank account page, it shows the list date of 
deposit or withdraw, description, amount and balance line by line,  Can I print 
it for my paper record? 

Thanks for the help.

Heide


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Re: [GNC] Single mutual fund held in multiple accounts in gnucash

[William Prescott]

When you specify the source account, you can just type a few characters from 
the name and it will move the entry to the first account with those characters 
in it. It used to have to be characters at the start of the account name but 
now it will find an account with those characters anywhere in its name. I think 
that has been true for version 4+

Will

On 2022 Jan 8, at 01-08 14:25:13, dave_...@yahoo.com wrote:


My formatting was messed up - what you describe is what I was looking to do. 
I've got several mutual funds and so there's lots of editing to get them added 
to the security list, plus create multiple individual accounts. It sounds like 
that's just what it takes. 

Is there any way to cut down on he number of accounts shown when you enter a 
transaction and specify the source account?  Mine shows all the accounts in a 
flat list which is already pretty long. 

Thanks for your help.

On Saturday, January 8, 2022, 01:35:19 PM EST, William Prescott 
 wrote:


I probably should have added that in my case all of the index funds are only 
held in one of the categories, but I see no reason why some fund could not be 
held in more that one category.
e.g. Index fund 1 and Index fund 8 could both be the same mutual fund. There 
would only be one entry for it in the Gnucash's Security Editor.

Will

On 2022 Jan 8, at 01-08 12:28:39, William Prescott mailto:w...@theprescotts.com>> wrote:

I probably don't understand exactly how you are proposing to set it up, but I 
can show you how I have mine set up.

Fund Manager A (e.g. Fidelity, Vanguard, other)
Fund Manager A - IRA
Index fund 1 (e.g. a single mutual index fund)
Index fund 2 (e.g. another mutual index fund)
Fund Manager A - Trust
Cash Account
Index fund 3
Index fund 4
Fund Manager B (e.g. Fidelity, Vanguard, other)
Fund Manager B - IRA
Index fund 5 (e.g. a single mutual index fund)
Index fund 6 (e.g. another mutual index fund)
Fund Manager B - Trust
Cash Account
Index fund 7
Index fund 8
etc

Will


On 2022 Jan 8, at 01-08 12:09:52, dave_k90--- via gnucash-user 
mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>> wrote:

I'm a new user trying to setup gnucash to track investments. I've read through 
the documentation, googled etc, but haven't really seen this addressed, so want 
to make sure I'm not missing something.
Say I have multiple mutual funds, FUNDA, FUNDB, FUNDC etc.  And I have a 
brokerage account with several accounts - IRA, Spouse IRA, Non IRA etc.

I think my account list should look like:InvestmentsBrokerage
Brokerage - non IRAMutual Funds  FUNDA  
FUNDB
  Brokerage - IRA 
  Mutual Funds  FUNDA  FUNDB
  Brokerage - Spouse IRAMutual Funds  FUNDA 
 FUNDB
To create that I need to use the Security Editor to createthen for 
each created fund, create multiple sub-accounts for each brokerage account that 
holds that fund.
I think I need the separate sub-accounts so I can do reports that sub-total 
share count and value based on the fund name, but it seems like a lot of 
editing. Also creating all these sub-accounts seems like over time will make 
the account list very difficult to scroll through to select accounts for 
source/destinations of future transactions.
Any guidance in how to set this up, or pointers on where to read up more on 
this would be appreciated.Thanks,
Dave
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Re: [GNC] Single mutual fund held in multiple accounts in gnucash

[William Prescott]

I probably should have added that in my case all of the index funds are only 
held in one of the categories, but I see no reason why some fund could not be 
held in more that one category.
e.g. Index fund 1 and Index fund 8 could both be the same mutual fund. There 
would only be one entry for it in the Gnucash's Security Editor.

Will

On 2022 Jan 8, at 01-08 12:28:39, William Prescott  
wrote:

I probably don't understand exactly how you are proposing to set it up, but I 
can show you how I have mine set up.

Fund Manager A (e.g. Fidelity, Vanguard, other)
Fund Manager A - IRA
Index fund 1 (e.g. a single mutual index fund)
Index fund 2 (e.g. another mutual index fund)
Fund Manager A - Trust
Cash Account
Index fund 3
Index fund 4
Fund Manager B (e.g. Fidelity, Vanguard, other)
Fund Manager B - IRA
Index fund 5 (e.g. a single mutual index fund)
Index fund 6 (e.g. another mutual index fund)
Fund Manager B - Trust
Cash Account
Index fund 7
Index fund 8
etc

Will


On 2022 Jan 8, at 01-08 12:09:52, dave_k90--- via gnucash-user 
 wrote:

I'm a new user trying to setup gnucash to track investments. I've read through 
the documentation, googled etc, but haven't really seen this addressed, so want 
to make sure I'm not missing something.
Say I have multiple mutual funds, FUNDA, FUNDB, FUNDC etc.  And I have a 
brokerage account with several accounts - IRA, Spouse IRA, Non IRA etc.

I think my account list should look like:InvestmentsBrokerage
Brokerage - non IRAMutual Funds   FUNDA 
  FUNDB
   Brokerage - IRA 
   Mutual Funds   FUNDA   FUNDB
  Brokerage - Spouse IRAMutual Funds   FUNDA
   FUNDB
To create that I need to use the Security Editor to createthen for 
each created fund, create multiple sub-accounts for each brokerage account that 
holds that fund.
I think I need the separate sub-accounts so I can do reports that sub-total 
share count and value based on the fund name, but it seems like a lot of 
editing. Also creating all these sub-accounts seems like over time will make 
the account list very difficult to scroll through to select accounts for 
source/destinations of future transactions.
Any guidance in how to set this up, or pointers on where to read up more on 
this would be appreciated.Thanks,
Dave
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Re: [GNC] Single mutual fund held in multiple accounts in gnucash

[William Prescott]

I probably don't understand exactly how you are proposing to set it up, but I 
can show you how I have mine set up.

Fund Manager A (e.g. Fidelity, Vanguard, other)
Fund Manager A - IRA
Index fund 1 (e.g. a single mutual index fund)
Index fund 2 (e.g. another mutual index fund)
Fund Manager A - Trust
Cash Account
Index fund 3
Index fund 4
Fund Manager B (e.g. Fidelity, Vanguard, other)
Fund Manager B - IRA
Index fund 5 (e.g. a single mutual index fund)
Index fund 6 (e.g. another mutual index fund)
Fund Manager B - Trust
Cash Account
Index fund 7
Index fund 8
etc

Will


On 2022 Jan 8, at 01-08 12:09:52, dave_k90--- via gnucash-user 
 wrote:

I'm a new user trying to setup gnucash to track investments. I've read through 
the documentation, googled etc, but haven't really seen this addressed, so want 
to make sure I'm not missing something.
Say I have multiple mutual funds, FUNDA, FUNDB, FUNDC etc.  And I have a 
brokerage account with several accounts - IRA, Spouse IRA, Non IRA etc.

I think my account list should look like:InvestmentsBrokerage
Brokerage - non IRAMutual Funds   FUNDA 
  FUNDB
Brokerage - IRA 
Mutual Funds   FUNDA   FUNDB
   Brokerage - Spouse IRAMutual Funds   FUNDA   
FUNDB
 To create that I need to use the Security Editor to createthen for 
each created fund, create multiple sub-accounts for each brokerage account that 
holds that fund.
I think I need the separate sub-accounts so I can do reports that sub-total 
share count and value based on the fund name, but it seems like a lot of 
editing. Also creating all these sub-accounts seems like over time will make 
the account list very difficult to scroll through to select accounts for 
source/destinations of future transactions.
Any guidance in how to set this up, or pointers on where to read up more on 
this would be appreciated.Thanks,
Dave
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Re: [GNC] GNUcash 4.9 on macOS 12.1 and Apple silicon/M1

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It is speedy. Everything is speedy. This MBP replaces a 2014 MBP and and a 2017 
iMac and it is a world of difference.

On 2022 Jan 6, at 01-06 10:40:05, timothy.b  wrote:

Wow! Must be speedy as well.
Thanks.

 On Wed, 05 Jan 2022 08:30:28 -0500 William Prescott 
 wrote 
> The pre-built binary  is running fine on my MacBook Pro with an M1 Max chip. 
> Monterey MacOS 12.1
> Gnucash 4.9
> 
> Will
> 
> On 2022 Jan 5, at 01-05 07:19:11, Dustin Henning  wrote:
> 
> It's running fine on my M1 Mac Mini, but I'm still on Big Sur.
> 
> On 1/5/22 7:31 AM, timothy.b via gnucash-user wrote:
>> Can anyone confirm that the pre-built binary release of GNUcash 4.9 
>> functions properly on Apple silicon M1 based Macs and macOS Monterey 12.1 
>> without having to resort to terminal commands or other non-standard 
>> techniques?
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Re: [GNC] GNUcash 4.9 on macOS 12.1 and Apple silicon/M1

[William Prescott]

The pre-built binary  is running fine on my MacBook Pro with an M1 Max chip. 
Monterey MacOS 12.1
Gnucash 4.9

Will

On 2022 Jan 5, at 01-05 07:19:11, Dustin Henning  wrote:

It's running fine on my M1 Mac Mini, but I'm still on Big Sur.

On 1/5/22 7:31 AM, timothy.b via gnucash-user wrote:
> Can anyone confirm that the pre-built binary release of GNUcash 4.9 functions 
> properly on Apple silicon M1 based Macs and macOS Monterey 12.1 without 
> having to resort to terminal commands or other non-standard techniques?
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Re: [GNC] 4.9 account set up of going business

[William Prescott]

Please disregard.

About a year ago, I set up a new Gnucash data file and chart of accounts. I 
remember making some mistakes setting up the opening balances. I recollect 
having problems changing the Opening Balance entries and having to edit the 
Opening Balances account (from the Accounts tab->Opening Balances->Edit) and 
changing something to make the entries editable. 

But I cannot reproduce it now.

Will

On 2021 Dec 29, at 12-29 20:41:13, Rogier F. van Vlissingen 
 wrote:

Hi, thanks for that, but I cannot find any mechanism to "unlock" a read only 
account, nor does there seem to be anything in the manual about "unlocking?" 
Please clarify. 




On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 9:29 PM William Prescott mailto:w...@theprescotts.com>> wrote:
I'm not sure if this is relevant …

By default, the Opening Balance account is locked and transactions are only 
created there when you create a new account and give it an opening balance. But 
you can unlock the Opening Balance account and then adjust the transactions or 
add or delete them like in any other account.

Will

On 2021 Dec 29, at 12-29 18:52:16, John Ralls mailto:jra...@ceridwen.us>> wrote:



> On Dec 29, 2021, at 4:08 PM, Rogier F. van Vlissingen  <mailto:vlisc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> I had previously moved to GnuCash3.8 starting 1/1/2020, unfortunately,
> there appears to be some sort of corruption in my file.
> 
> I am now doing it over in 4.9.
> 
> However, I am having a problem with the Opening Balances for 2020, as I
> seem to be unable to set up an opening balance for retained earnings.
> 
> The numbers check out, but everything goes in Opening balances, which is
> therefore too high by the amount of the retained earnings.
> 
> You can't even do a transfer.
> 
> 
> What is to be done?

A business book wouldn't normally have an opening balances account. OTOH money 
is fungible and it doesn't really make sense to divide every asset's 
start-of-year balance between liabilities, paid-in capital, and retained 
earnings, so it's in my mind quite defensible to use Opening Balances to 
accumulate everything. Liabilities are handled by creating normal opening 
balance entries. The New File Hierarchy Assistant doesn't let you make opening 
balance entries in Equity accounts, but you can add transactions to RE and 
whatever you're calling paid-in capital to zero out Opening Balances when 
you've finished with the assistant.

Regards,
John Ralls
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Re: [GNC] 4.9 account set up of going business

[William Prescott]

I'm not sure if this is relevant …

By default, the Opening Balance account is locked and transactions are only 
created there when you create a new account and give it an opening balance. But 
you can unlock the Opening Balance account and then adjust the transactions or 
add or delete them like in any other account.

Will

On 2021 Dec 29, at 12-29 18:52:16, John Ralls  wrote:



> On Dec 29, 2021, at 4:08 PM, Rogier F. van Vlissingen  
> wrote:
> 
> I had previously moved to GnuCash3.8 starting 1/1/2020, unfortunately,
> there appears to be some sort of corruption in my file.
> 
> I am now doing it over in 4.9.
> 
> However, I am having a problem with the Opening Balances for 2020, as I
> seem to be unable to set up an opening balance for retained earnings.
> 
> The numbers check out, but everything goes in Opening balances, which is
> therefore too high by the amount of the retained earnings.
> 
> You can't even do a transfer.
> 
> 
> What is to be done?

A business book wouldn't normally have an opening balances account. OTOH money 
is fungible and it doesn't really make sense to divide every asset's 
start-of-year balance between liabilities, paid-in capital, and retained 
earnings, so it's in my mind quite defensible to use Opening Balances to 
accumulate everything. Liabilities are handled by creating normal opening 
balance entries. The New File Hierarchy Assistant doesn't let you make opening 
balance entries in Equity accounts, but you can add transactions to RE and 
whatever you're calling paid-in capital to zero out Opening Balances when 
you've finished with the assistant.

Regards,
John Ralls
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Re: [GNC] Can't get to GnuCash windows and menus

[William Prescott]

"After that, you have to start GnuCash first, then use File > Open to choose 
your book. You can't double-click a GnuCash file to open it."

To amplify or clarify Adrien's comment on opening Gnucash under MacOS. When I 
double click on a Gnucash file, it does start Gnucash, but it opens the last 
file that was used with Gnucash, not the one that was clicked on (unless they 
happen to be the same). If you want a different file, you have to open it from 
the Gnucash File menu after Gnucash starts up.

Will


On 2021 Dec 28, at 12-28 19:05:14, Adrien Monteleone 
 wrote:

Did you solve this?

It sounds like you might be running GnuCash from inside the DMG.

Be sure to copy the GnuCash.app from the DMG window to your Applications folder 
via Finder. (that is, open another Finder window set to Applications and then 
drag & drop the icon from the DMG to the Applications window)

After you run the wizard and you try to exit GnuCash you should get a prompt to 
save your book/file. If not, you can always do so manually before exiting.

After that, you have to start GnuCash first, then use File > Open to choose 
your book. You can't double-click a GnuCash file to open it.

Regards,
Adrien

On 8/18/21 5:36 PM, Cat via gnucash-user wrote:
> Hello,
> I have Gnucash 4.6 installed on a Mac running Big Sur version 11.5.  I used 
> the New Account Hierarchy setup to set up my accounts, and that looks great.  
> But, when I open Gnucash it still opens to that screen - the Initial GnuCash 
> setup.gnucash - Accounts - GnuCash.  It doesn't open to the main window, so I 
> can't access the menus.
> Help!??

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[GNC] Report of upgrading without issues

[William Prescott]

For what it is worth:

I have been running Gnucash 4.8-2 under Mac OS Big Sur 11.5/6

Last week I upgraded to Mac OS Monterey 12.1. There were no problems with 
Gnucash.
Today I upgraded to Gnucash 4.9, again with no problems.

Regards,
Will
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Re: [GNC] Error when editing transfer for transaction

[William Prescott]

Sounds like a nice enhancement to have, but I would not be too sure about the 
"It shouldn't be too much work". Without looking at the code, I don't see how 
anyone could say how much work it would be. Seemingly small changes often can 
require lots of code to implement. It all depends on how that particular bit of 
information is derived.

Will
Guadalajara, Mexico

On 2021 Dec 12, at 12-12 13:29:30, Stan Brown  
wrote:

Can I make a plea for a very welcome enhancement?

Instead of "in another register", name the register, e.,g. "in the Cash
and Banks register".  It shouldn't be too much work, and would make
things a lot easier for users.

-- 
Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
https://BrownMath.com

On 2021-12-11 22:47, David Carlson wrote:
> That error message means that transaction has a pending edit in an account
> other than the register you are currently viewing.  The way to resolve this
> is to move the highlight to another account in that transaction and Jump to
> that account, then press Enter.  That will commit the pending edit, unless
> you have additional accounts and you did not select the one with the
> pending edit.
> 
> Another trick you can try is to select File > Save, and see what error
> message appears, as that message will name the account register containing
> the pending edit.
> 
> If you have a cat that likes to walk across your keyboard there may be an
> unintended edit to remove before pressing Enter.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Dec 11, 2021, 11:56 PM Gomer Thomas  wrote:
> 
>> I am importing QFX files. One of the transaction ended up with
>> "imbalance-USD" in the "Transfer" field. When I try to correct it, I get
>> the message "This transaction is already being edited in another
>> register. Please finish editing it there first."
>> 
>> What does it mean by "another register"? How do I find the other
>> register to finish editing it there?
>> 
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Re: [GNC] Error importing QIF file

[William Prescott]

File length Number of splits to find a single record.
2   1
4   2
8   3
16  4
32  5
64  6
128 7
256 8
512 9
102410
etc

And in case it wasn't clear earlier in this conversation, the idea is you make 
a copy of the problem file, delete the first half of the records, see if the 
problem goes away, if not delete the second half and confirm that it is in the 
second half.
Then you take the half containing the problem, and repeat the process until you 
have it down to a single record that produces the problem.
If there are an odd number of records at any step, don't worry about it that 
the two halves are not exactly equal.

Will

On 2021 Oct 24, at 10-24 22:48:50, David H  wrote:

Hello again parag puranik,

Please use reply-all to keep the discussion on the mailing list so everyone
is across everything.  I'm not a Gnucash developer or familiar with the
importers as I never use them and others that use them often can probably
offer more relevant suggestions :-)  See my responses/suggestions
highlighted in yellow below.

On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 23:24, parag puranik  wrote:

> I tried creating a new file in App, exported it in QIF format and
> successfully imported the same in Gnucash Desktop. Everything is fine in
> case of a fresh file export+import procedure.
> 

OK so it seems to definitely be an issue with your data then. How many
records are in your file anyway, I can't imagine it's in the hundreds if
you're using the android app to enter them?

Personally I would do the binary splits of the file as already suggested
making sure you don’t split a transaction in the middle. This shouldn't
take too long.  I think I read somewhere years ago that you only need a
maximum of 7 splits to find a target when using a binary search so this
should be similar.  My simplistic figures suggest a 200 record file would
require up to 9 splits in the worst case. So a maximum of split file /
import part file – say a couple of minutes each x 9 = about 18 - 20 minutes
should be enough to identify the record causing the problem and you may be
able to sort it out yourself once you've identified the problem record -
you would have had your answer by now :-)

Check out:

Gnucash QIF format document -
https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/gnucash/import-export/qif-imp/file-format.txt

and


Gnucash QIF Import code file -

https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/gnucash/import-export/qif-imp/qif-file.scm


I could be totally wrong but the error message seems come from line 974 in
the previous bit of code – according to the comment at line 921 it seems to
be checking for valid date formats (d-m-y, y-m-d, etc) and also that amount
fields are decimal (999.99) or comma format (999,99):-


My problem is only with my earlier file which I exported, but could not
> import in Desktop due to the Error message. I want to know the basis of the
> generation of that error message and get help in importing that file in
> desktop.
> 

I'm sure you do but you have to remember that this is a volunteer project /
development team who probably have other priorities and will take time to
get to your problem. Gnucash is a huge project with code in multiple
languages going back 20+ years and developers come and go so it would take
time to familiarise themselves with the code and work through it to
document it and give you a list of conditions as to exactly why a
particular error message is displayed.Their first response is likely to be
to tell you to check whether it’s an existing bug and if not to lodge a bug
report at Gnucash Bugzilla (https://bugs.gnucash.org).  They're also likely
to want to see your file as sometimes a quick scan through a file can
identify the issue. You've already had other suggestions re splitting your
file and importing in parts to identify the problem and this is probably
the fastest and most logical approach right now.

I suspect you have one or more hidden special characters in your file which
is causing a record to be split mid record and a misalignment in your file
hence the “Share Price” text in the error message. Seems the android app
has had some of these in the past where users have done a copy and paste
into a transaction on android.  These won’t be obvious in Notepad or
Wordpad as they don't display special characters so download either the
Textpad (https://www.textpad.com/download) or Notepad++ (
https://notepad-plus-plus.org/downloads/) text editor and use one of these
to inspect your file. You can turn on the display of special characters in
these editors – in Textpad click the icon to the left of the globe – looks
like 

Re: [GNC] Crash on exit in Gnucash 4.7-2 in macOS Big Sur

[William Prescott]

For what it's worth, I'm not seeing any problem with 4.7-2 on my 2017 Intel 
iMac OS Big Sur 11.6.

Will

On 2021 Sep 28, at 09-28 00:16:07, prl  wrote:

Thanks, John.

Here's the thread 0 (the crashed thread) stack trace, machine registers and 
instruction stream from the crash report. I think that's probably everything 
relevant in the report.

Cheers,
Peter

Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0   libgnc-engine.dylib   0x0001020079ad 
qof_instance_get_destroying + 77
1   libgnc-engine.dylib   0x000101f53c8b xaccSplitDestroy + 43
2   libgnc-engine.dylib   0x000101f5966c do_destroy + 300
3   libgnc-engine.dylib   0x000102009030 qof_commit_edit_part2 
+ 272
4   libgnc-engine.dylib   0x000101f56e43 xaccTransCommitEdit + 
339
5   libglib-2.0.0.dylib   0x000100561d2d g_list_foreach + 45
6   libgnc-engine.dylib   0x000102006231 qof_collection_foreach 
+ 161
7   libgnc-engine.dylib   0x00010201019a qof_object_book_end + 
138
8   libgnc-engine.dylib   0x000101ffec21 qof_book_destroy + 145
9   libgnc-engine.dylib   0x000102017bc6 
QofSessionImpl::~QofSessionImpl() + 150
10  libgnc-engine.dylib   0x000102017ea3 qof_session_destroy + 
19
11  libgnc-engine.dylib   0x000101fd751f 
gnc_clear_current_session + 31
12  libgnc-gnome-utils.dylib  0x0001009bf29c gnc_file_quit + 76
13  libgnc-engine.dylib   0x000101fbf322 call_hook + 114
14  libglib-2.0.0.dylib   0x000100556fed g_hook_list_marshal + 
125
15  libgnc-engine.dylib   0x000101fbf222 gnc_hook_run + 146
16  libgnc-gnome-utils.dylib  0x0001009c3b2b gnc_shutdown + 59
17  libgnc-gnome-utils.dylib  0x0001009cd69d 
gnc_main_window_timed_quit + 29
18  libglib-2.0.0.dylib   0x000100562be4 g_timeout_dispatch + 20
19  libglib-2.0.0.dylib   0x000100566cec 
g_main_context_dispatch + 348
20  libglib-2.0.0.dylib   0x00010056705d g_main_context_iterate 
+ 525
21  libglib-2.0.0.dylib   0x00010056737a g_main_loop_run + 218
22  libgtk-3.0.dylib  0x000100c3b11a gtk_main + 74
23  libgnc-gnome-utils.dylib  0x0001009c36fc 
gnc_ui_start_event_loop + 76
24  org.gnucash.Gnucash   0x000100160a86 scm_run_gnucash(void*, 
int, char**) + 1078
25  libguile-2.2.1.dylib  0x000100398932 invoke_main_func + 34
26  libguile-2.2.1.dylib  0x000100377b3f c_body + 15
27  libguile-2.2.1.dylib  0x00010040534b vm_regular_engine + 
1467
28  libguile-2.2.1.dylib  0x000100403ef5 scm_call_n + 773
29  libguile-2.2.1.dylib  0x000100400922 catch + 498
30  libguile-2.2.1.dylib  0x000100377b09 
scm_c_with_continuation_barrier + 137
31  libguile-2.2.1.dylib  0x00010040048f with_guile + 63
32  libgc.1.dylib 0x0001004d4ef6 
GC_call_with_stack_base + 22
33  libguile-2.2.1.dylib  0x0001003fe4ab scm_with_guile + 43
34  libguile-2.2.1.dylib  0x0001003988f5 scm_boot_guile + 69
35  org.gnucash.Gnucash   0x0001001605f9 
Gnucash::Gnucash::start(int, char**) + 617
36  org.gnucash.Gnucash   0x000100161191 main + 1009
37  libdyld.dylib 0x7fff204aef3d start + 1

Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (64-bit):
  rax: 0x  rbx: 0x7f85fad8d190  rcx: 0x0001  
rdx: 0x
  rdi: 0x7f85fad8d190  rsi: 0x7f85fbe99490  rbp: 0x7ffeefab3a90  
rsp: 0x7ffeefab3a80
   r8: 0x7f85f9d0a7d0   r9: 0x7f85f9ea0c80  r10: 0x033755c0  
r11: 0xffd4a001
  r12: 0x000101f59320  r13: 0x7f85fad8c430  r14: 0x7f85fad8c430  
r15: 0x
  rip: 0x0001020079ad  rfl: 0x00010286  cr2: 0x72ecdff8

Logical CPU: 2
Error Code:  0x
Trap Number: 13

Thread 0 instruction stream:
  48 20 0f 9f c2 b8 ff ff-ff ff 0f 4d c2 5b 41 5e  H .M.[A^
  5d c3 90 55 48 89 e5 53-50 48 89 fb 48 8b 05 e0 ]..UH..SPH..H...
  de 04 00 48 85 c0 75 24-48 8d 3d d4 de 04 00 e8 ...H..u$H.=.
  79 93 01 00 85 c0 74 14-e8 e6 eb ff ff 48 8d 3d y.t..H.=
  bf de 04 00 48 89 c6 e8-67 93 01 00 48 85 db 74 H...g...H..t
  69 48 8b 35 ab de 04 00-48 8b 03 48 85 c0 74 05 iH.5H..H..t.
 [48]39 30 74 0c 48 89 df-e8 9c 94 01 00 85 c0 74 H90t.H.t<==
  49 48 8b 05 8b de 04 00-48 85 c0 75 24 48 8d 3d IH..H..u$H.=
  7f de 04 00 e8 24 93 01-00 85 c0 74 14 e8 91 eb .$.t
  ff ff 48 8d 3d 6a de 04-00 48 89 c6 e8 12 93 01 ..H.=j...H..
  00 48 8b 35 5b de 04 00-48 89 df e8 77 94 01 00 .H.5[...H...w...
  8b 40 2c 48 83 c4 08 5b-5d c3 48 8d 3d 76 3f 02 .@,H...[].H.=v?.

Thread 0 last branch register 

Re: [GNC] Thank you

[William Prescott]

I send my thanks to the group that writes and maintains this software. I have 
used it since version 2.6.1 at least. I've used or at least played with 
Quicken, Quickbooks, NPTreasurer, and probably a few others. Gnucash is ahead 
of them all for my purposes.

Thank you,
Will

On 2021 Sep 27, at 09-27 06:53:17, Fross, Michael  wrote:

Well said Neil. They all deserve our thanks and gratitude.

Michael

On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 6:41 AM Neil Campbell  wrote:

> My congratulations and thanks to the Team for the production and release
> of GNUCash version 4.7. As this development is all done by professional
> volunteers, I really do say a hearty 'thank you’ for your effort and for
> allowing this to be open source. Much appreciated.
> 
> Best regards.
> Neil
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Re: [GNC] Newbie question

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One quirk I noticed about opening balances is that that account seemed to be 
locked. When setting up a new account you could set the opening balances, but 
you couldn't change them later. I had to go into the account editor and unlock 
the opening balances account.

Will

On 2021 Sep 26, at 09-26 17:43:21, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user 
 wrote:

Steve,

I switched from Moneydance as you did about six months ago. The conversion went 
fine for me except the account balances were off. To correct for that I just 
went to each account that was off and entered an opening balance, at the very 
beginning of the ledger, for the amount that was it off by and then everything 
was fine and has been fine since then.

Hope that helps.

If you have any question regarding switchin form Moneydace to GNUCash you ask 
me directly if you wish since I have doe the same conversion.

Jack

On 9/25/21 9:59 PM, Steve Welch via gnucash-user wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I’m just getting started with GnuCash and have imported my QIF file from 
> Moneydance.  Excited to take it for a spin!
> My question is regarding beginning (opening) account balances.  Moneydance 
> has an opening balance field in the account setup window, but evidently that 
> field isn’t accessible in GnuCash unless setting up a new account.
> The problem I seem to be having is that the beginning balances that had been 
> in Moneydance did not import into Gnu, so my accounts are off.
> I am figuring I can manually enter an opening balance transaction for each 
> account but wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing a more elegant (or obvious) 
> solution.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: [GNC] Calculating interest rates

[William Prescott]

Maybe not the most efficient way to do it, but it sounds trivial to iterate 
through the days of the year, calculating and crediting the interest every day 
based on the daily balance (incremented on days with a deposit). At the same 
time keep a running sum of the daily interest, then use your formula with the 
sum of all the interest payments.

Not something GnuCash could do, but easy with ruby/python/perl/php or any other 
language. Even excel/numbers could do it with a row for every day.

Will

On 2021 Sep 13, at 09-13 09:46:40, Steve Hill  wrote:


Despite much Googling I haven't been able to find anything explaining how to 
calculate this...

I know:
- The balance of a savings account at the start of the year;
- The amounts and dates of payments into the account; and
- The amount of interest paid at the end of the year.

I want to calculate the percent of interest received, assuming that the account 
compounds daily.

If there were no payments into the account it would be easy 
(interest_amount/start_balance=interest_percent), but I can't figure out how to 
take account of irregular payments into the account throughout the year.

Thanks.

-- 
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Re: [GNC] Transaction Entry Confirmation

[William Prescott]

I don't understand.

When I type the Enter key, it moves from one line of a transaction to the next 
line. After the last line, it enters the transaction and moves to the first 
line of the next transaction.

This is with GnuCash 4.6-1 running on MacOS 11.5.2.

Will

On 2021 Aug 31, at 08-31 10:06:10, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user 
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Is there any way to have GNU Cash make an audio confirmation when a manual 
transaction has been entered?

When I manually enter a transaction by mashing ENTER there is no feedback that 
the transaction was entered and I keep hitting ENTER to be sure I didn't fat 
finger it.
Just a little beep would suffice.

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Re: [GNC] Simple Update Question

[William Prescott]

One reason to update regularly, is that someday one may have to update. And it 
is generally easier to update from one version to the next than it is to do an 
update that skips lots of versions. Data formats change and each version will 
support converting from the previous format but probably not converting from a 
format multiple versions previous.

Why might one have to update? Maybe computer hardware changes and the old 
version will no longer run on modern hardware. Security enhancements. New 
features you may want.

The downside of updating is that it may disrupt what one is used to. Sometimes 
it is an inconvenience, sometimes more of a disruption if something no longer 
works.

Will

On 2021 Jul 27, at 07-27 10:23:39, sc  wrote:

Hello.

I successfully transferred from Quicken to GnuCash years ago, with no troubles. 
 I'm a home user, nothing complex.

Is there any reason I should upgrade from Version 3.8?  Are the changes mostly 
for business folks or are there changes that a home user would enjoy?

Sharon

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Re: [GNC] Mac OS Scrolling Speed

[William Prescott]

I would add comment about scrolling (GnuCash 4.6 on Mac OS 11.4).

I think part of the problem, maybe all of it, is that GnuCash does not scroll 
smoothly. Rather it moves in jumps of one transaction. It seems a little 
inconsistent. Occasionally it will scroll smoothly but not usually. Whether 
dragging the elevator up or down, or using a trackpad to drag the contents of 
the window up or down, it jumps. There is no movement until the distance it 
should have moved equals a transaction, then it redraws and the transactions 
all abruptly shift by one. This makes it very hard for the eye to track a 
single transaction and have a sense of how much movement is taking place.

Will

On 2021 Jul 20, at 07-20 23:25:06, Vinayak Vatsal via gnucash-user 
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Hello,

I tried a search for the answer to the following question, but didn’t have any 
luck, so I post it here.

Is there a preference hidden somewhere that controls the scrolling speed in the 
main GnuCash account registers? I find that no matter what I do, the screen 
scrolls impossibly fast. The arrow keys to move up and down in the register 
don’t work either. The only way I can find to scroll through a register slowly 
is to click on the scroll lozenge on the right, and drag it around. This works, 
but it is a pain.

I am on 11.4 Big Sur, and the most recent version of GnuCash (although this 
problem has been around for a long time).

Thanks in advance,

Nike




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Re: [GNC] Accounting for GST in Australia

[William Prescott]

At one time I lived in Boulder County, Colorado. The city limit ran along the 
street at the side of my house. Across the street was a city park.
Colorado sales tax is 2.9%
Boulder County 0.99%
City of Boulder 3.86%
Transit District 1%
Scientific and Cultural 0.1%

If I bought things in a store in Boulder, I paid the full 8.85%. Items 
delivered to my house were exempt from the City tax.

Will

On 2021 Jul 7, at 07-07 11:59:28, David Carlson  
wrote:

Yep.  Lake County Illinois just added 4 cents per gallon tax on gasoline  ⛽
sales.  You can bet good money that most locals are planning their
purchases to occur in Wisconsin when possible.

On Wed, Jul 7, 2021, 10:57 AM Michael or Penny Novack <
stepbystepf...@comcast.net> wrote:

> On 7/7/2021 11:46 AM, David Carlson wrote:
>> Even worse, sometimes local sales taxes in the  depend on where
>> the buyer lives, not where the seller does business.
> 
> That is almost always true, and to make this even worse, JUST the
> buyer's postal address might not be a correct indication of the state.
> Postal zip codes do NOT respect state boundaries. If that seems odd to
> you, imagine the situation where a road is the boundary between two
> states or crosses back and forth across the boundary. Do you imagine the
> post office sends two postal trucks, one to deliver to one side of the
> road and the other for the other side, or one to deliver to the
> stretches of road in one state and another for the stretches in the
> other state.
> 
> How many of us have customer databases that in addition to customer
> address, store the state where this actually is as opposed to just going
> by the state that the post office is in (for that zip code)
> 
> Michael D Novack
> 
> 
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