Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Adrien Monteleone]

ESC doesn't even work for me.

See bug: https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=799136

Regards,
Adrien

On 11/23/23 2:17 PM, David H wrote:

Yes I've been caught by that a number of times, now having to check
everytime and hit escape to not auto complete:-)


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Adrien Monteleone]

I filed a bug a few days ago on this.

The issue seems to be that the Don't Autocomplete option only works 
using a mouse. If you select it, then TAB, ENTER, or ESC, the 
autocomplete happens anyway.


Regards,
Adrien

On 11/23/23 4:25 AM, Ruaraidh Sackville Hamilton wrote:

I'm on Win 11 Gnucash 5.3 and I do have the same problem.

An actual example: I wanted to change an existing transaction description
from "Vodafone bill" to "Outstanding Vodafone bill". I put the cursor at
the start of the old text and typed "Outstanding ". The description (still
in edit mode, before pressing ENTER) now reads "Outstanding Vodafone bill",
exactly as I intended. However, underneath appears a list of
suggested autocompletions. "*Don't autocomplete*" is at the top of the
list, but it's not the default. When I pressed ENTER as normal, Gnucash
replaced "Outstanding Vodafone bill" to its chosen default "Outstanding Sky
Protect fees".

Bizarre or what? This action is not autocomplete (i.e. adding text you
haven't yet typed), it's autoedit (changing text you've already typed) with
a very low threshold of similarity for deciding to change the description
to match other entries.

Worse, as far as I can see I can't undo the change. I have to retype the
entry and remember to select Don't autocomplete.

Whilst I can see that autocomplete (and perhaps even autoedit) could be
useful at times, I would much prefer to have "Don't autocomplete" as the
default.


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[David H]

Yes I've been caught by that a number of times, now having to check
everytime and hit escape to not auto complete:-)

Cheers David H.

On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 at 20:26, Ruaraidh Sackville Hamilton <
ruaraidh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm on Win 11 Gnucash 5.3 and I do have the same problem.
>
> An actual example: I wanted to change an existing transaction description
> from "Vodafone bill" to "Outstanding Vodafone bill". I put the cursor at
> the start of the old text and typed "Outstanding ". The description (still
> in edit mode, before pressing ENTER) now reads "Outstanding Vodafone bill",
> exactly as I intended. However, underneath appears a list of
> suggested autocompletions. "*Don't autocomplete*" is at the top of the
> list, but it's not the default. When I pressed ENTER as normal, Gnucash
> replaced "Outstanding Vodafone bill" to its chosen default "Outstanding Sky
> Protect fees".
>
> Bizarre or what? This action is not autocomplete (i.e. adding text you
> haven't yet typed), it's autoedit (changing text you've already typed) with
> a very low threshold of similarity for deciding to change the description
> to match other entries.
>
> Worse, as far as I can see I can't undo the change. I have to retype the
> entry and remember to select Don't autocomplete.
>
> Whilst I can see that autocomplete (and perhaps even autoedit) could be
> useful at times, I would much prefer to have "Don't autocomplete" as the
> default.
>
> Ruaraidh
>
> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 at 15:24, Dustin Henning  wrote:
>
> > I haven't upgraded quite that far yet, but I am on 5.x on macOS and I
> > also don't have the problem described by the OP.  Regardless, I am
> > definitely not a fan of the new feature.  Previously, I could type a few
> > letters and have the field populated how I wanted, now I have to select
> > from a huge list after typing the same letters, so I find it incredibly
> > inconvenient and prefer the way the memo field (still) works. I don't
> > mind the popup, tbh, I just wish the field was still filled in the old
> > way so I could hit tab and be done instead of having to go to the mouse
> > and select from a list. That having been said, as a general observation
> > (across many different softwares over the last few years vs a GnuCash
> > specific observation), it sure seems like convenience features get less
> > and less convenient and interfere with previously built-in convenient
> > functionalty more and more as software gets more complicated.
> >
> > On 6/27/23 10:47 PM, David H wrote:
> > > Steve/David,
> > >
> > > Working fine here on Win 11 also. What type of register are you seeing
> > the
> > > issue in?
> > >
> > > Cheers David H.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 at 12:06, David H  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Working as intended here on Windows 10, will also try Win 11 shortly,
> no
> > >> freezing, gibberish works also :-)
> > >>
> > >> Cheers David H.
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 at 11:54, David Cousens  >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Steve,
> > >>>
> > >>> There is AFAIK no general way to turn off auto-completion but when it
> > is
> > >>> initiated and highlights a transaction which it thinks is a match,
> > there
> > >>> is a
> > >>> popup "Don't autocomplete" above that first matching transaction
> which
> > >>> allows
> > >>> you to choose not to autocomplete by clicking on it.  The behaviour
> you
> > >>> describe
> > >>> with "A-T" and "U-Z" doesn't occur in V5.3 built on Linux (Mint 21.3)
> > so
> > >>> it may
> > >>> be a Windows library problem rather than the GnuCash code itself.
> > >>>
> > >>> You could raise a feature bug requesting the option of disabling
> > >>> autocompletion
> > >>> completely or even on a register by register basis.
> > >>>
> > >>> David Cousens
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, 2023-06-27 at 18:15 -0700, Steve Miller wrote:
> >  Window 11 user here.  I finally upgraded to the 5 series, 5.3
> > >>> specifically.
> >  It all works great EXCEPT the autofill on the description in the
> > >>> register.
> >  I wish there was an option in the preferences to turn that OFF.
> > 
> >  I've spent more time playing around with that than I care to
> > remember...
> >  things I experience with it?
> > 
> >  If I type any letter A-T, the list of prior descriptions pops up,
> but
> > >>> if I
> >  type a letter U-Z it freezes.
> > 
> >  if I type gibberish really fast when I get into the description
> box, I
> > >>> can
> >  make the gibberish appear (not that that is useful!)
> > 
> >  But if i try to type anything else, it generally (85%) of the time,
> > will
> >  freeze when I get to the second letter.  Then i have to delete the
> > >>> entry.
> >  I've tried re-downloading 5.3, I've tried re-starting GnuCash
> > >>> repeatedly,
> >  I've rebooted, I've changed the size of window for GnuCash, so I
> > dunno,
> > >>> I'm
> >  about to go back to version 4.14 or whatever I've been using for
> past
> >  several 

Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Ruaraidh Sackville Hamilton]

I'm on Win 11 Gnucash 5.3 and I do have the same problem.

An actual example: I wanted to change an existing transaction description
from "Vodafone bill" to "Outstanding Vodafone bill". I put the cursor at
the start of the old text and typed "Outstanding ". The description (still
in edit mode, before pressing ENTER) now reads "Outstanding Vodafone bill",
exactly as I intended. However, underneath appears a list of
suggested autocompletions. "*Don't autocomplete*" is at the top of the
list, but it's not the default. When I pressed ENTER as normal, Gnucash
replaced "Outstanding Vodafone bill" to its chosen default "Outstanding Sky
Protect fees".

Bizarre or what? This action is not autocomplete (i.e. adding text you
haven't yet typed), it's autoedit (changing text you've already typed) with
a very low threshold of similarity for deciding to change the description
to match other entries.

Worse, as far as I can see I can't undo the change. I have to retype the
entry and remember to select Don't autocomplete.

Whilst I can see that autocomplete (and perhaps even autoedit) could be
useful at times, I would much prefer to have "Don't autocomplete" as the
default.

Ruaraidh

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 at 15:24, Dustin Henning  wrote:

> I haven't upgraded quite that far yet, but I am on 5.x on macOS and I
> also don't have the problem described by the OP.  Regardless, I am
> definitely not a fan of the new feature.  Previously, I could type a few
> letters and have the field populated how I wanted, now I have to select
> from a huge list after typing the same letters, so I find it incredibly
> inconvenient and prefer the way the memo field (still) works. I don't
> mind the popup, tbh, I just wish the field was still filled in the old
> way so I could hit tab and be done instead of having to go to the mouse
> and select from a list. That having been said, as a general observation
> (across many different softwares over the last few years vs a GnuCash
> specific observation), it sure seems like convenience features get less
> and less convenient and interfere with previously built-in convenient
> functionalty more and more as software gets more complicated.
>
> On 6/27/23 10:47 PM, David H wrote:
> > Steve/David,
> >
> > Working fine here on Win 11 also. What type of register are you seeing
> the
> > issue in?
> >
> > Cheers David H.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 at 12:06, David H  wrote:
> >
> >> Working as intended here on Windows 10, will also try Win 11 shortly, no
> >> freezing, gibberish works also :-)
> >>
> >> Cheers David H.
> >>
> >> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 at 11:54, David Cousens 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Steve,
> >>>
> >>> There is AFAIK no general way to turn off auto-completion but when it
> is
> >>> initiated and highlights a transaction which it thinks is a match,
> there
> >>> is a
> >>> popup "Don't autocomplete" above that first matching transaction which
> >>> allows
> >>> you to choose not to autocomplete by clicking on it.  The behaviour you
> >>> describe
> >>> with "A-T" and "U-Z" doesn't occur in V5.3 built on Linux (Mint 21.3)
> so
> >>> it may
> >>> be a Windows library problem rather than the GnuCash code itself.
> >>>
> >>> You could raise a feature bug requesting the option of disabling
> >>> autocompletion
> >>> completely or even on a register by register basis.
> >>>
> >>> David Cousens
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 2023-06-27 at 18:15 -0700, Steve Miller wrote:
>  Window 11 user here.  I finally upgraded to the 5 series, 5.3
> >>> specifically.
>  It all works great EXCEPT the autofill on the description in the
> >>> register.
>  I wish there was an option in the preferences to turn that OFF.
> 
>  I've spent more time playing around with that than I care to
> remember...
>  things I experience with it?
> 
>  If I type any letter A-T, the list of prior descriptions pops up, but
> >>> if I
>  type a letter U-Z it freezes.
> 
>  if I type gibberish really fast when I get into the description box, I
> >>> can
>  make the gibberish appear (not that that is useful!)
> 
>  But if i try to type anything else, it generally (85%) of the time,
> will
>  freeze when I get to the second letter.  Then i have to delete the
> >>> entry.
>  I've tried re-downloading 5.3, I've tried re-starting GnuCash
> >>> repeatedly,
>  I've rebooted, I've changed the size of window for GnuCash, so I
> dunno,
> >>> I'm
>  about to go back to version 4.14 or whatever I've been using for past
>  several years.
> 
>  I just wish there was a way to switch that "feature" off...  I can't
> >>> get it
>  consistently, or most of the time to work.  I'm quite happy manually
> >>> typing
>  in descriptions...
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Adrien Monteleone]

I'm not usually in the habit of shutting down GnuCash often, but I'll 
give it a few cycles and see what happens.


So far, any new memos started to auto-fill for subsequent transactions.

It might be linked to the key sequence when selecting a match for 
Description (Tab vs. Enter) but I haven't been meticulous enough yet to 
say there is a difference.



Regards,
Adrien

On 7/26/23 5:03 PM, David H wrote:

Still sitting on 5.1 because of this issue, Keep us posted on what you
think is happening.


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[David H]

Still sitting on 5.1 because of this issue, Keep us posted on what you
think is happening.

Thanks David H.


On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 at 06:56, R Losey  wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 2:07 PM Adrien Monteleone <
> adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:
>
> > On 6/30/23 10:31 AM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> > > On 6/30/23 6:04 AM, David H wrote:
> > >> I've just reverted to 5.1 on both MacOS and Windows because I have
> > >> found it
> > >> more time consuming to manually type the full description on 3 or 4
> > split
> > >> lines that I've used previously in the same txn type.
> > >
> > > If indeed this is the case, that will be a major bummer for me. I put
> > > lots of detail in my Memos and I heavily re-use descriptions for
> > > often-bought items. I just upgraded and am behind on entering receipts,
> > > so I suppose I'm about to find out...
> >
> > Indeed, autofill/suggest for memos is now gone! I'm having to type
> > everything out again even though some of these have been entered dozens
> > of times in this register, for this same 'Description' even. (Register
> > always mattered, but I don't think that 'Description' ever mattered
> > before with respect to memo fill/suggest, but I could be mistaken) It is
> > like I'm back to square one - years ago.
> >
> > I'm about to find out if the amnesia is permanent, or just long-term
> > memory loss but newly typed memos get remembered and suggested.
> >
>
> I've noticed this as well; I think it was just reset (possibly as part of
> the fixes for the main auto-fill/auto-match). I know that old ones don't
> match; I haven't taken the effort to see if matches persist after saving,
> closing, and re-opening GnuCash... put another way, I have had some
> Descriptions autofill, but I don't remember if they were the ones entered
> in the current session.
>
> _
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[R Losey]

On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 2:07 PM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> On 6/30/23 10:31 AM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> > On 6/30/23 6:04 AM, David H wrote:
> >> I've just reverted to 5.1 on both MacOS and Windows because I have
> >> found it
> >> more time consuming to manually type the full description on 3 or 4
> split
> >> lines that I've used previously in the same txn type.
> >
> > If indeed this is the case, that will be a major bummer for me. I put
> > lots of detail in my Memos and I heavily re-use descriptions for
> > often-bought items. I just upgraded and am behind on entering receipts,
> > so I suppose I'm about to find out...
>
> Indeed, autofill/suggest for memos is now gone! I'm having to type
> everything out again even though some of these have been entered dozens
> of times in this register, for this same 'Description' even. (Register
> always mattered, but I don't think that 'Description' ever mattered
> before with respect to memo fill/suggest, but I could be mistaken) It is
> like I'm back to square one - years ago.
>
> I'm about to find out if the amnesia is permanent, or just long-term
> memory loss but newly typed memos get remembered and suggested.
>

I've noticed this as well; I think it was just reset (possibly as part of
the fixes for the main auto-fill/auto-match). I know that old ones don't
match; I haven't taken the effort to see if matches persist after saving,
closing, and re-opening GnuCash... put another way, I have had some
Descriptions autofill, but I don't remember if they were the ones entered
in the current session.

_
Richard Losey
rlo...@gmail.com
Micah 6:8
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Adrien Monteleone]

On 6/30/23 10:31 AM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

On 6/30/23 6:04 AM, David H wrote:
I've just reverted to 5.1 on both MacOS and Windows because I have 
found it

more time consuming to manually type the full description on 3 or 4 split
lines that I've used previously in the same txn type.


If indeed this is the case, that will be a major bummer for me. I put 
lots of detail in my Memos and I heavily re-use descriptions for 
often-bought items. I just upgraded and am behind on entering receipts, 
so I suppose I'm about to find out...


Indeed, autofill/suggest for memos is now gone! I'm having to type 
everything out again even though some of these have been entered dozens 
of times in this register, for this same 'Description' even. (Register 
always mattered, but I don't think that 'Description' ever mattered 
before with respect to memo fill/suggest, but I could be mistaken) It is 
like I'm back to square one - years ago.


I'm about to find out if the amnesia is permanent, or just long-term 
memory loss but newly typed memos get remembered and suggested.


Regards,
Adrien

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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[R Losey]

I am on Ventura, and it seems odd; sometimes it is autofilling, and
sometimes it isn't. Maybe 5.3 restarted from scratch?

Or, if I'm remembering correctly, prior to this release, if I backspaced
and went forward, it didn't autofill (this is probably on purpose), but if
I removed all of the characters in the line, the auto-fill was re-enabled.



On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 1:41 PM Dustin Henning  wrote:

> I'm on Ventura, so maybe the environment is relevant since a previous
> post mentioned things being different on Monterrey than I experience.  I
> just tried 5.3-1 again with my file, notes don't autofill.  I tried
> 5.2-1 with my file, notes don't autofill.  I tried 5.1-2 with my file,
> notes DO autofill.  I tried 5.1-2 with your file in the Checking account
> and "Note how the value match can tell the difference between USD22 and
> C$22" did autofill.  I tried 5.3-1 with your file and the same note
> didn't autofill in the same account.  I guess that narrows it down a
> fair amount (breakage in 5.2-1+ on Ventura 13.3.1(a)).  Should I open a
> bug report and submit your file with it?
>
> On 6/30/23 1:03 PM, Vincent Dawans wrote:
> > The notes and splits are populating from the autofill for me so far,
> > including in this attached test file. Hence those experiencing this
> > feature not working are definitely hitting a bug somewhere (bug or
> > whatever else you want to call it).  There certainly was no
> > intentional change in that behavior that I am aware of.
> >
> > The challenge now is to figure out what is particular about the
> > situations in which the problem is occurring and how to replicate it
> > so the developers can find the origin of the problem. Typically being
> > able to reproduce the error is often more difficult than fixing it
> > (figuring out the diagnosis is harder than providing the cure). For
> > those willing to help with this, one first step could be to create a
> > test file and see whether the behavior exists there as well. If it
> > does, it might be related to your larger PC environment, if it doesn't
> > it might be related to something more specific to your datafile. That
> > would guide what to do as a second step. Alternatively you are welcome
> > to use my test file attached to this email; the data is random, typed
> > over type as I am testing various things with it, which explains some
> > of the strange descriptions, but there is nothing personal or valuable
> > in that file data-wise and you can do whatever test you need on it for
> > testing. It has US and Canadian dollar transactions as a way to test
> > multicurrency features but it's not relevant to this issue.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Vincent Dawans
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 9:18 AM Dustin Henning  wrote:
> >
> > My notes populated automatically on 5.0, they didn't on 5.3.  I
> > downgraded to 5.0 and they do again.  The pop-up list works the
> > same for
> > me on 5.0 and 5.3 except for the added option to disable it. I
> > wouldn't
> > want to disable it unless I got the old behavior back, but the old
> > behavior seems to clearly be going away seeing as how it was removed
> > from another field in 5.3.  The reason my description field has large
> > lists is because of previous changes to the OFX/QFX importer meaning
> > that I manually populate that field for certain accounts now while it
> > was automatically populated previously.  My understanding is that
> > behavioral change wasn't the work of the GunCash dev team, so it
> > is what
> > it is.  While it also affects my notes field, the automatic typing
> > in my
> > notes field is more similar to the automatic typing in your
> > description
> > field.  I basically use them for the opposite of what you do due
> > to how
> > the OFX/QFX importer worked (and technically would probably still
> > do the
> > same now, it's just more work with the new importer behavior).
> >
> > That having been said, the OFX/QFX importer behavior actually
> > improved
> > slightly in 5.3 when compared to 5.0, so maybe I should try 5.1
> > and 5.2
> > to see if I can find something in between to stick with for as
> > long as
> > possible.
> >
> > On 6/29/23 4:18 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> > > I just upgraded to 5.3-1 on Monterey and it works fine.
> > >
> > > I did have to accept the suggestion from the list and then Tab
> > but it
> > > populated with an autofill of memo, amounts, et cetera from my last
> > > transaction with the same Description.
> > >
> > > I'll add here that I use GnuCash with old paper and pen habits,
> > that
> > > is, I use the 'Description' field as strictly a 'Payee/Payor'
> > field.
> > > Actual descriptive information I put in the Notes and/or Memo
> > fields.
> > > (Notes for the whole transaction, Memos for things specific to a
> > > split) That usage greatly 

Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Jack Slater]

Great idea.

On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 9:32 AM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> Maybe that fact should be in the FAQ? Certainly it was often asked how
> to edit the auto-fill in the previous iteration and that likely could
> have been added.
>
> I haven't checked, but perhaps a Documentation bug for tracking
> regarding an explanation of how this now works would be in order if
> someone has time. I'll do a search later though and file it if I don't
> find one already written.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 7/1/23 7:26 AM, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
> > I'm pretty sure there aren't any options for autofill; therefore, there
> won't be any entries in the FAQ for them.
>
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Adrien Monteleone]

Maybe that fact should be in the FAQ? Certainly it was often asked how 
to edit the auto-fill in the previous iteration and that likely could 
have been added.


I haven't checked, but perhaps a Documentation bug for tracking 
regarding an explanation of how this now works would be in order if 
someone has time. I'll do a search later though and file it if I don't 
find one already written.


Regards,
Adrien

On 7/1/23 7:26 AM, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:

I'm pretty sure there aren't any options for autofill; therefore, there won't 
be any entries in the FAQ for them.


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[David T. via gnucash-user]

I'm pretty sure there aren't any options for autofill; therefore, there won't 
be any entries in the FAQ for them. 

⁣David T. ​

On Jul 1, 2023, 2:32 PM, at 2:32 PM, Jack Slater  wrote:
>Where do I find the FAQ on the options for this latest version of the
>auto-suggest?
>
>On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 9:52 PM john  wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> OK, so not the marker transaction. I've got only 5 future
>transactions.
>>
>> The read line in Vincent's file is because he has read-only after N
>days
>> set in File>Properties. The transactions above the red line are
>read-only.
>>
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
>>
>>
>> > On Jun 30, 2023, at 17:43, David H  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello John,
>> >
>> > Sorry my bad, it's actually Big Sur version 11.7.8 on the iMac, NOT
>> Monterey - memories going !!!  The blank txn is my future credit card
>> payment - happens on the same day each month and I just fill in the
>amount
>> when I know it.  I have one in each of my 3 card accounts and
>multiple in
>> the cheque account for the other side of the splits in them.
>> >
>> > I used Vincent's test file that he posted earlier and it seems to
>do the
>> same thing see below, the register WITHOUT focus when re-opening only
>> displays the blank txn plus 1. He also has multiple blank txns in
>that
>> register.  Not sure where the red line comes from as I don't see it
>in my
>> own file and I can't see a preference for it ?
>> >
>> > Thanks David H.
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 at 09:37, John Ralls > jra...@ceridwen.us>> wrote:
>> >> David,
>> >>
>> >> Huh. Two possibilities: I have only a few future transactions, not
>> enough to move the blank transaction that far up the screen, and I
>wonder
>> if that marker transaction (with no debit or credit value) matters.
>> >>
>> >> What macOS version on the iMac?
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> John Ralls
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > On Jun 30, 2023, at 1:47 PM, David H > hell...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi John,
>> >> >
>> >> > I hope I don't sound ungrateful, as always I really appreciate
>the
>> work you and the other devs/translators/etc put in on my most used
>app.
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyway here's a pic of what I'm seeing on all my pc's - haven't
>fired
>> up Ubuntu for a few days so can't say what happens there. I have
>standard
>> sort order on, future dated txns after the blank txn so they stand
>out for
>> me.  As you can see from the pic's different end points.  Looking at
>it
>> again this morning after a coffee I have noticed that if I close
>GnuCash
>> with an account register open that particular register exhibits the
>old
>> behaviour and is scrolled right to the bottom when GnuCash is
>re-opened.
>> Otherwise I only get the blank txn and 1 future dated txn in all open
>> registers.  Usually I close Gnucash with the focus on the Accounts
>tab so
>> it seemed like it affected all registers.   Aha, did I hear you say
>> something about lazy tab repainting/refreshing in a previous post -
>is
>> there a connection ?
>> >> >
>> >> > I've also noticed some of my icons disappearing, but only on my
>slow
>> old 2014 27" iMac - looks a bit weird - like 3 missing, 2 there, more
>> missing and if you move the cursor along the icon row they magically
>> reappear.  Really only an intermittent thing that I've only seen
>twice on
>> the one Mac.
>> >> >
>> >> > Hope this clarifies things somewhat.
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers David H.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > 
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 at 03:55, John Ralls > jra...@ceridwen.us>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > On Jun 30, 2023, at 8:31 AM, Adrien Monteleone <
>> adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net
>>
>> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> I also think that the registers now display a little
>differently
>> to what
>> >> > >> they used to.  In 5.1 any open registers always scroll all
>the way
>> to the
>> >> > >> end of the txns when you re-open your GnuCash data file.  In
>5.3
>> they don't
>> >> > >> seem to quite get all the way to the bottom meaning you have
>to
>> manually
>> >> > >> page down in every register you had open to see all your
>future
>> txns, which
>> >> > >> in my case is sometimes 15 - 20 as I like to know what's
>coming up
>> for the
>> >> > >> next 60 days cash flow wise.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I don't use future-dated transactions, but if it doesn't even
>get
>> to the last transaction (and ideally the next empty one) that could
>get
>> quite annoying.
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > I just checked that and both open registers had the cursor in
>the
>> blank transaction just like always. There's a  preference to put the
>blank
>> transaction before future transactions. Even with that set I see all
>the
>> ones I have displayed below the blank transaction, but I can imagine
>that
>> if you have more than will fit in the window then GnuCash will scroll
>so
>> that the blank transaction is at the top of the window and some of
>those
>> future transactions aren't visible. I think that's correct 

Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Jack Slater]

Where do I find the FAQ on the options for this latest version of the
auto-suggest?

On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 9:52 PM john  wrote:

> David,
>
> OK, so not the marker transaction. I've got only 5 future transactions.
>
> The read line in Vincent's file is because he has read-only after N days
> set in File>Properties. The transactions above the red line are read-only.
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
>
> > On Jun 30, 2023, at 17:43, David H  wrote:
> >
> > Hello John,
> >
> > Sorry my bad, it's actually Big Sur version 11.7.8 on the iMac, NOT
> Monterey - memories going !!!  The blank txn is my future credit card
> payment - happens on the same day each month and I just fill in the amount
> when I know it.  I have one in each of my 3 card accounts and multiple in
> the cheque account for the other side of the splits in them.
> >
> > I used Vincent's test file that he posted earlier and it seems to do the
> same thing see below, the register WITHOUT focus when re-opening only
> displays the blank txn plus 1. He also has multiple blank txns in that
> register.  Not sure where the red line comes from as I don't see it in my
> own file and I can't see a preference for it ?
> >
> > Thanks David H.
> >
> > 
> >
> > On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 at 09:37, John Ralls  jra...@ceridwen.us>> wrote:
> >> David,
> >>
> >> Huh. Two possibilities: I have only a few future transactions, not
> enough to move the blank transaction that far up the screen, and I wonder
> if that marker transaction (with no debit or credit value) matters.
> >>
> >> What macOS version on the iMac?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> John Ralls
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Jun 30, 2023, at 1:47 PM, David H  hell...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi John,
> >> >
> >> > I hope I don't sound ungrateful, as always I really appreciate the
> work you and the other devs/translators/etc put in on my most used app.
> >> >
> >> > Anyway here's a pic of what I'm seeing on all my pc's - haven't fired
> up Ubuntu for a few days so can't say what happens there. I have standard
> sort order on, future dated txns after the blank txn so they stand out for
> me.  As you can see from the pic's different end points.  Looking at it
> again this morning after a coffee I have noticed that if I close GnuCash
> with an account register open that particular register exhibits the old
> behaviour and is scrolled right to the bottom when GnuCash is re-opened.
> Otherwise I only get the blank txn and 1 future dated txn in all open
> registers.  Usually I close Gnucash with the focus on the Accounts tab so
> it seemed like it affected all registers.   Aha, did I hear you say
> something about lazy tab repainting/refreshing in a previous post - is
> there a connection ?
> >> >
> >> > I've also noticed some of my icons disappearing, but only on my slow
> old 2014 27" iMac - looks a bit weird - like 3 missing, 2 there, more
> missing and if you move the cursor along the icon row they magically
> reappear.  Really only an intermittent thing that I've only seen twice on
> the one Mac.
> >> >
> >> > Hope this clarifies things somewhat.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers David H.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 at 03:55, John Ralls  jra...@ceridwen.us>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > On Jun 30, 2023, at 8:31 AM, Adrien Monteleone <
> adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net >
> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> I also think that the registers now display a little differently
> to what
> >> > >> they used to.  In 5.1 any open registers always scroll all the way
> to the
> >> > >> end of the txns when you re-open your GnuCash data file.  In 5.3
> they don't
> >> > >> seem to quite get all the way to the bottom meaning you have to
> manually
> >> > >> page down in every register you had open to see all your future
> txns, which
> >> > >> in my case is sometimes 15 - 20 as I like to know what's coming up
> for the
> >> > >> next 60 days cash flow wise.
> >> > >
> >> > > I don't use future-dated transactions, but if it doesn't even get
> to the last transaction (and ideally the next empty one) that could get
> quite annoying.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > I just checked that and both open registers had the cursor in the
> blank transaction just like always. There's a  preference to put the blank
> transaction before future transactions. Even with that set I see all the
> ones I have displayed below the blank transaction, but I can imagine that
> if you have more than will fit in the window then GnuCash will scroll so
> that the blank transaction is at the top of the window and some of those
> future transactions aren't visible. I think that's correct behavior: Ready
> to perform input with the input location visible.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > John Ralls
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Tommy Trussell]

On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 12:56 PM John Ralls  wrote:

>
> > On Jun 30, 2023, at 8:31 AM, Adrien Monteleone <
> adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:
> > I don't use future-dated transactions, but if it doesn't even get to the
> last transaction (and ideally the next empty one) that could get quite
> annoying.
> >
>
> I just checked that and both open registers had the cursor in the blank
> transaction just like always. There's a  preference to put the blank
> transaction before future transactions. Even with that set I see all the
> ones I have displayed below the blank transaction, but I can imagine that
> if you have more than will fit in the window then GnuCash will scroll so
> that the blank transaction is at the top of the window and some of those
> future transactions aren't visible. I think that's correct behavior: Ready
> to perform input with the input location visible.
>

I was keying in and editing transactions in 5.3 earlier today and I believe
I saw the register behavior described by David H.

I was editing a transaction, and noticed the transaction I was typing in
was off the screen, instead of being scrolled into view. The text I was
typing into the field was visible in the status area (whatever you call it
at the bottom of the window where helpful prompts or the current field's
text appear). But without manually scrolling I didn't know what transaction
I was typing in, and of course I wasn't completely sure whether the
transaction I was editing was scrolled out of the window above or below.

Maybe I changed a date on a transaction then tabbed to the Description
field? Or maybe I somehow hit a page key or swiped the touchpad while
editing? I haven't been able to replicate it tonight.

Earlier today I was on a laptop so I sometimes do funny things to squeeze
bank statements and reports onto the single screen while I'm editing. The
PC I'm on now has a mouse and no trackpad and two sizable monitors. With
the extra screen real estate I don't have to squeeze anything. SO
the horizontal size of the GnuCash window might be a factor.

I'm using Ubuntu on both machines but they're probably different releases.
This one is Ubuntu 22.04 LTS and the other one is probably 23.04. Both are
running GnuCash 5.3 Flatpak, both fully updated.

I will watch this over the next few days and see if I can discover
the circumstances where this happens.

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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[David H]

Ah I remember it now that you remind me :-)

Cheers David H.

On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 at 12:52, john  wrote:

> David,
>
> OK, so not the marker transaction. I've got only 5 future transactions.
>
> The read line in Vincent's file is because he has read-only after N days
> set in File>Properties. The transactions above the red line are read-only.
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
>
> On Jun 30, 2023, at 17:43, David H  wrote:
>
> Hello John,
>
> Sorry my bad, it's actually Big Sur version 11.7.8 on the iMac, NOT
> Monterey - memories going !!!  The blank txn is my future credit card
> payment - happens on the same day each month and I just fill in the amount
> when I know it.  I have one in each of my 3 card accounts and multiple in
> the cheque account for the other side of the splits in them.
>
> I used Vincent's test file that he posted earlier and it seems to do the
> same thing see below, the register WITHOUT focus when re-opening only
> displays the blank txn plus 1. He also has multiple blank txns in that
> register.  Not sure where the red line comes from as I don't see it in my
> own file and I can't see a preference for it ?
>
> Thanks David H.
>
> 
>
> On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 at 09:37, John Ralls  wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> Huh. Two possibilities: I have only a few future transactions, not enough
>> to move the blank transaction that far up the screen, and I wonder if that
>> marker transaction (with no debit or credit value) matters.
>>
>> What macOS version on the iMac?
>>
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
>>
>>
>> > On Jun 30, 2023, at 1:47 PM, David H  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi John,
>> >
>> > I hope I don't sound ungrateful, as always I really appreciate the work
>> you and the other devs/translators/etc put in on my most used app.
>> >
>> > Anyway here's a pic of what I'm seeing on all my pc's - haven't fired
>> up Ubuntu for a few days so can't say what happens there. I have standard
>> sort order on, future dated txns after the blank txn so they stand out for
>> me.  As you can see from the pic's different end points.  Looking at it
>> again this morning after a coffee I have noticed that if I close GnuCash
>> with an account register open that particular register exhibits the old
>> behaviour and is scrolled right to the bottom when GnuCash is re-opened.
>> Otherwise I only get the blank txn and 1 future dated txn in all open
>> registers.  Usually I close Gnucash with the focus on the Accounts tab so
>> it seemed like it affected all registers.   Aha, did I hear you say
>> something about lazy tab repainting/refreshing in a previous post - is
>> there a connection ?
>> >
>> > I've also noticed some of my icons disappearing, but only on my slow
>> old 2014 27" iMac - looks a bit weird - like 3 missing, 2 there, more
>> missing and if you move the cursor along the icon row they magically
>> reappear.  Really only an intermittent thing that I've only seen twice on
>> the one Mac.
>> >
>> > Hope this clarifies things somewhat.
>> >
>> > Cheers David H.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 at 03:55, John Ralls  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > > On Jun 30, 2023, at 8:31 AM, Adrien Monteleone <
>> adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> I also think that the registers now display a little differently to
>> what
>> > >> they used to.  In 5.1 any open registers always scroll all the way
>> to the
>> > >> end of the txns when you re-open your GnuCash data file.  In 5.3
>> they don't
>> > >> seem to quite get all the way to the bottom meaning you have to
>> manually
>> > >> page down in every register you had open to see all your future
>> txns, which
>> > >> in my case is sometimes 15 - 20 as I like to know what's coming up
>> for the
>> > >> next 60 days cash flow wise.
>> > >
>> > > I don't use future-dated transactions, but if it doesn't even get to
>> the last transaction (and ideally the next empty one) that could get quite
>> annoying.
>> > >
>> >
>> > I just checked that and both open registers had the cursor in the blank
>> transaction just like always. There's a  preference to put the blank
>> transaction before future transactions. Even with that set I see all the
>> ones I have displayed below the blank transaction, but I can imagine that
>> if you have more than will fit in the window then GnuCash will scroll so
>> that the blank transaction is at the top of the window and some of those
>> future transactions aren't visible. I think that's correct behavior: Ready
>> to perform input with the input location visible.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > John Ralls
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[john]

David,

OK, so not the marker transaction. I've got only 5 future transactions.

The read line in Vincent's file is because he has read-only after N days set in 
File>Properties. The transactions above the red line are read-only.

Regards,
John Ralls


> On Jun 30, 2023, at 17:43, David H  wrote:
> 
> Hello John,
> 
> Sorry my bad, it's actually Big Sur version 11.7.8 on the iMac, NOT Monterey 
> - memories going !!!  The blank txn is my future credit card payment - 
> happens on the same day each month and I just fill in the amount when I know 
> it.  I have one in each of my 3 card accounts and multiple in the cheque 
> account for the other side of the splits in them.
> 
> I used Vincent's test file that he posted earlier and it seems to do the same 
> thing see below, the register WITHOUT focus when re-opening only displays the 
> blank txn plus 1. He also has multiple blank txns in that register.  Not sure 
> where the red line comes from as I don't see it in my own file and I can't 
> see a preference for it ?
> 
> Thanks David H.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 at 09:37, John Ralls  > wrote:
>> David,
>> 
>> Huh. Two possibilities: I have only a few future transactions, not enough to 
>> move the blank transaction that far up the screen, and I wonder if that 
>> marker transaction (with no debit or credit value) matters.
>> 
>> What macOS version on the iMac?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
>> 
>> 
>> > On Jun 30, 2023, at 1:47 PM, David H > > > wrote:
>> > 
>> > Hi John,
>> > 
>> > I hope I don't sound ungrateful, as always I really appreciate the work 
>> > you and the other devs/translators/etc put in on my most used app.
>> > 
>> > Anyway here's a pic of what I'm seeing on all my pc's - haven't fired up 
>> > Ubuntu for a few days so can't say what happens there. I have standard 
>> > sort order on, future dated txns after the blank txn so they stand out for 
>> > me.  As you can see from the pic's different end points.  Looking at it 
>> > again this morning after a coffee I have noticed that if I close GnuCash 
>> > with an account register open that particular register exhibits the old 
>> > behaviour and is scrolled right to the bottom when GnuCash is re-opened. 
>> > Otherwise I only get the blank txn and 1 future dated txn in all open 
>> > registers.  Usually I close Gnucash with the focus on the Accounts tab so 
>> > it seemed like it affected all registers.   Aha, did I hear you say 
>> > something about lazy tab repainting/refreshing in a previous post - is 
>> > there a connection ?
>> > 
>> > I've also noticed some of my icons disappearing, but only on my slow old 
>> > 2014 27" iMac - looks a bit weird - like 3 missing, 2 there, more missing 
>> > and if you move the cursor along the icon row they magically reappear.  
>> > Really only an intermittent thing that I've only seen twice on the one Mac.
>> > 
>> > Hope this clarifies things somewhat.
>> > 
>> > Cheers David H.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 at 03:55, John Ralls > > > wrote:
>> > 
>> > 
>> > > On Jun 30, 2023, at 8:31 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
>> > > mailto:adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net>> 
>> > > wrote:
>> > > 
>> > >> I also think that the registers now display a little differently to what
>> > >> they used to.  In 5.1 any open registers always scroll all the way to 
>> > >> the
>> > >> end of the txns when you re-open your GnuCash data file.  In 5.3 they 
>> > >> don't
>> > >> seem to quite get all the way to the bottom meaning you have to manually
>> > >> page down in every register you had open to see all your future txns, 
>> > >> which
>> > >> in my case is sometimes 15 - 20 as I like to know what's coming up for 
>> > >> the
>> > >> next 60 days cash flow wise.
>> > > 
>> > > I don't use future-dated transactions, but if it doesn't even get to the 
>> > > last transaction (and ideally the next empty one) that could get quite 
>> > > annoying.
>> > > 
>> > 
>> > I just checked that and both open registers had the cursor in the blank 
>> > transaction just like always. There's a  preference to put the blank 
>> > transaction before future transactions. Even with that set I see all the 
>> > ones I have displayed below the blank transaction, but I can imagine that 
>> > if you have more than will fit in the window then GnuCash will scroll so 
>> > that the blank transaction is at the top of the window and some of those 
>> > future transactions aren't visible. I think that's correct behavior: Ready 
>> > to perform input with the input location visible.
>> > 
>> > Regards,
>> > John Ralls
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[John Ralls]

David,

Huh. Two possibilities: I have only a few future transactions, not enough to 
move the blank transaction that far up the screen, and I wonder if that marker 
transaction (with no debit or credit value) matters.

What macOS version on the iMac?

Regards,
John Ralls


> On Jun 30, 2023, at 1:47 PM, David H  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> I hope I don't sound ungrateful, as always I really appreciate the work you 
> and the other devs/translators/etc put in on my most used app.
> 
> Anyway here's a pic of what I'm seeing on all my pc's - haven't fired up 
> Ubuntu for a few days so can't say what happens there. I have standard sort 
> order on, future dated txns after the blank txn so they stand out for me.  As 
> you can see from the pic's different end points.  Looking at it again this 
> morning after a coffee I have noticed that if I close GnuCash with an account 
> register open that particular register exhibits the old behaviour and is 
> scrolled right to the bottom when GnuCash is re-opened. Otherwise I only get 
> the blank txn and 1 future dated txn in all open registers.  Usually I close 
> Gnucash with the focus on the Accounts tab so it seemed like it affected all 
> registers.   Aha, did I hear you say something about lazy tab 
> repainting/refreshing in a previous post - is there a connection ?
> 
> I've also noticed some of my icons disappearing, but only on my slow old 2014 
> 27" iMac - looks a bit weird - like 3 missing, 2 there, more missing and if 
> you move the cursor along the icon row they magically reappear.  Really only 
> an intermittent thing that I've only seen twice on the one Mac.
> 
> Hope this clarifies things somewhat.
> 
> Cheers David H.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 at 03:55, John Ralls  wrote:
> 
> 
> > On Jun 30, 2023, at 8:31 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >> I also think that the registers now display a little differently to what
> >> they used to.  In 5.1 any open registers always scroll all the way to the
> >> end of the txns when you re-open your GnuCash data file.  In 5.3 they don't
> >> seem to quite get all the way to the bottom meaning you have to manually
> >> page down in every register you had open to see all your future txns, which
> >> in my case is sometimes 15 - 20 as I like to know what's coming up for the
> >> next 60 days cash flow wise.
> > 
> > I don't use future-dated transactions, but if it doesn't even get to the 
> > last transaction (and ideally the next empty one) that could get quite 
> > annoying.
> > 
> 
> I just checked that and both open registers had the cursor in the blank 
> transaction just like always. There's a  preference to put the blank 
> transaction before future transactions. Even with that set I see all the ones 
> I have displayed below the blank transaction, but I can imagine that if you 
> have more than will fit in the window then GnuCash will scroll so that the 
> blank transaction is at the top of the window and some of those future 
> transactions aren't visible. I think that's correct behavior: Ready to 
> perform input with the input location visible.
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Dustin Henning]

In the event that anyone would wish to follow this particular issue 
(Notes field not autofilling), I have submitted report 798990 for it.


On 6/30/23 3:20 PM, Vincent Dawans wrote:

Dustin:
Thanks for running the test and yes that's now pretty specific so go 
ahead and open a bug report. I don't have anything running MacOS so 
can't test but I think some of the core developers do so hopefully 
somebody will be able to reproduce the problem now that you have more 
specific info.


Sincerely,

Vincent


On Fri, Jun 30, 2023, 11:41 Dustin Henning  wrote:

I'm on Ventura, so maybe the environment is relevant since a previous
post mentioned things being different on Monterrey than I
experience.  I
just tried 5.3-1 again with my file, notes don't autofill.  I tried
5.2-1 with my file, notes don't autofill.  I tried 5.1-2 with my
file,
notes DO autofill.  I tried 5.1-2 with your file in the Checking
account
and "Note how the value match can tell the difference between
USD22 and
C$22" did autofill.  I tried 5.3-1 with your file and the same note
didn't autofill in the same account.  I guess that narrows it down a
fair amount (breakage in 5.2-1+ on Ventura 13.3.1(a)). Should I
open a
bug report and submit your file with it?


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Vincent Dawans]

Dustin:
Thanks for running the test and yes that's now pretty specific so go ahead
and open a bug report. I don't have anything running MacOS so can't test
but I think some of the core developers do so hopefully somebody will be
able to reproduce the problem now that you have more specific info.

Sincerely,

Vincent


On Fri, Jun 30, 2023, 11:41 Dustin Henning  wrote:

> I'm on Ventura, so maybe the environment is relevant since a previous
> post mentioned things being different on Monterrey than I experience.  I
> just tried 5.3-1 again with my file, notes don't autofill.  I tried
> 5.2-1 with my file, notes don't autofill.  I tried 5.1-2 with my file,
> notes DO autofill.  I tried 5.1-2 with your file in the Checking account
> and "Note how the value match can tell the difference between USD22 and
> C$22" did autofill.  I tried 5.3-1 with your file and the same note
> didn't autofill in the same account.  I guess that narrows it down a
> fair amount (breakage in 5.2-1+ on Ventura 13.3.1(a)).  Should I open a
> bug report and submit your file with it?
>
> On 6/30/23 1:03 PM, Vincent Dawans wrote:
> > The notes and splits are populating from the autofill for me so far,
> > including in this attached test file. Hence those experiencing this
> > feature not working are definitely hitting a bug somewhere (bug or
> > whatever else you want to call it).  There certainly was no
> > intentional change in that behavior that I am aware of.
> >
> > The challenge now is to figure out what is particular about the
> > situations in which the problem is occurring and how to replicate it
> > so the developers can find the origin of the problem. Typically being
> > able to reproduce the error is often more difficult than fixing it
> > (figuring out the diagnosis is harder than providing the cure). For
> > those willing to help with this, one first step could be to create a
> > test file and see whether the behavior exists there as well. If it
> > does, it might be related to your larger PC environment, if it doesn't
> > it might be related to something more specific to your datafile. That
> > would guide what to do as a second step. Alternatively you are welcome
> > to use my test file attached to this email; the data is random, typed
> > over type as I am testing various things with it, which explains some
> > of the strange descriptions, but there is nothing personal or valuable
> > in that file data-wise and you can do whatever test you need on it for
> > testing. It has US and Canadian dollar transactions as a way to test
> > multicurrency features but it's not relevant to this issue.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Vincent Dawans
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 9:18 AM Dustin Henning  wrote:
> >
> > My notes populated automatically on 5.0, they didn't on 5.3.  I
> > downgraded to 5.0 and they do again.  The pop-up list works the
> > same for
> > me on 5.0 and 5.3 except for the added option to disable it. I
> > wouldn't
> > want to disable it unless I got the old behavior back, but the old
> > behavior seems to clearly be going away seeing as how it was removed
> > from another field in 5.3.  The reason my description field has large
> > lists is because of previous changes to the OFX/QFX importer meaning
> > that I manually populate that field for certain accounts now while it
> > was automatically populated previously.  My understanding is that
> > behavioral change wasn't the work of the GunCash dev team, so it
> > is what
> > it is.  While it also affects my notes field, the automatic typing
> > in my
> > notes field is more similar to the automatic typing in your
> > description
> > field.  I basically use them for the opposite of what you do due
> > to how
> > the OFX/QFX importer worked (and technically would probably still
> > do the
> > same now, it's just more work with the new importer behavior).
> >
> > That having been said, the OFX/QFX importer behavior actually
> > improved
> > slightly in 5.3 when compared to 5.0, so maybe I should try 5.1
> > and 5.2
> > to see if I can find something in between to stick with for as
> > long as
> > possible.
> >
> > On 6/29/23 4:18 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> > > I just upgraded to 5.3-1 on Monterey and it works fine.
> > >
> > > I did have to accept the suggestion from the list and then Tab
> > but it
> > > populated with an autofill of memo, amounts, et cetera from my last
> > > transaction with the same Description.
> > >
> > > I'll add here that I use GnuCash with old paper and pen habits,
> > that
> > > is, I use the 'Description' field as strictly a 'Payee/Payor'
> > field.
> > > Actual descriptive information I put in the Notes and/or Memo
> > fields.
> > > (Notes for the whole transaction, Memos for things specific to a
> > > split) That usage greatly simplifies my Description list. 

Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Dustin Henning]

I'm on Ventura, so maybe the environment is relevant since a previous 
post mentioned things being different on Monterrey than I experience.  I 
just tried 5.3-1 again with my file, notes don't autofill.  I tried 
5.2-1 with my file, notes don't autofill.  I tried 5.1-2 with my file, 
notes DO autofill.  I tried 5.1-2 with your file in the Checking account 
and "Note how the value match can tell the difference between USD22 and 
C$22" did autofill.  I tried 5.3-1 with your file and the same note 
didn't autofill in the same account.  I guess that narrows it down a 
fair amount (breakage in 5.2-1+ on Ventura 13.3.1(a)).  Should I open a 
bug report and submit your file with it?


On 6/30/23 1:03 PM, Vincent Dawans wrote:
The notes and splits are populating from the autofill for me so far, 
including in this attached test file. Hence those experiencing this 
feature not working are definitely hitting a bug somewhere (bug or 
whatever else you want to call it).  There certainly was no 
intentional change in that behavior that I am aware of.


The challenge now is to figure out what is particular about the 
situations in which the problem is occurring and how to replicate it 
so the developers can find the origin of the problem. Typically being 
able to reproduce the error is often more difficult than fixing it 
(figuring out the diagnosis is harder than providing the cure). For 
those willing to help with this, one first step could be to create a 
test file and see whether the behavior exists there as well. If it 
does, it might be related to your larger PC environment, if it doesn't 
it might be related to something more specific to your datafile. That 
would guide what to do as a second step. Alternatively you are welcome 
to use my test file attached to this email; the data is random, typed 
over type as I am testing various things with it, which explains some 
of the strange descriptions, but there is nothing personal or valuable 
in that file data-wise and you can do whatever test you need on it for 
testing. It has US and Canadian dollar transactions as a way to test 
multicurrency features but it's not relevant to this issue.


Sincerely,

Vincent Dawans

On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 9:18 AM Dustin Henning  wrote:

My notes populated automatically on 5.0, they didn't on 5.3.  I
downgraded to 5.0 and they do again.  The pop-up list works the
same for
me on 5.0 and 5.3 except for the added option to disable it. I
wouldn't
want to disable it unless I got the old behavior back, but the old
behavior seems to clearly be going away seeing as how it was removed
from another field in 5.3.  The reason my description field has large
lists is because of previous changes to the OFX/QFX importer meaning
that I manually populate that field for certain accounts now while it
was automatically populated previously.  My understanding is that
behavioral change wasn't the work of the GunCash dev team, so it
is what
it is.  While it also affects my notes field, the automatic typing
in my
notes field is more similar to the automatic typing in your
description
field.  I basically use them for the opposite of what you do due
to how
the OFX/QFX importer worked (and technically would probably still
do the
same now, it's just more work with the new importer behavior).

That having been said, the OFX/QFX importer behavior actually
improved
slightly in 5.3 when compared to 5.0, so maybe I should try 5.1
and 5.2
to see if I can find something in between to stick with for as
long as
possible.

On 6/29/23 4:18 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> I just upgraded to 5.3-1 on Monterey and it works fine.
>
> I did have to accept the suggestion from the list and then Tab
but it
> populated with an autofill of memo, amounts, et cetera from my last
> transaction with the same Description.
>
> I'll add here that I use GnuCash with old paper and pen habits,
that
> is, I use the 'Description' field as strictly a 'Payee/Payor'
field.
> Actual descriptive information I put in the Notes and/or Memo
fields.
> (Notes for the whole transaction, Memos for things specific to a
> split) That usage greatly simplifies my Description list. It may
not
> suit everyone of course.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 6/29/23 10:42 AM, Dustin Henning wrote:
>> And it's worse.  Guess I REALLY should have read the release
notes.
>> Now notes doesn't autofiill the old way anyymore so I have to
>> manually type even more.  My search still isn't begins with,
either,
>> so my list is still extremely long.  I guess maybe they missed
that
>> on Mac.  At least everybody else is happy with the
improvements.  I'm
>> used to being an outlier, so it is what it is.
>
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[John Ralls]

> On Jun 30, 2023, at 8:31 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> 
>> I also think that the registers now display a little differently to what
>> they used to.  In 5.1 any open registers always scroll all the way to the
>> end of the txns when you re-open your GnuCash data file.  In 5.3 they don't
>> seem to quite get all the way to the bottom meaning you have to manually
>> page down in every register you had open to see all your future txns, which
>> in my case is sometimes 15 - 20 as I like to know what's coming up for the
>> next 60 days cash flow wise.
> 
> I don't use future-dated transactions, but if it doesn't even get to the last 
> transaction (and ideally the next empty one) that could get quite annoying.
> 

I just checked that and both open registers had the cursor in the blank 
transaction just like always. There's a  preference to put the blank 
transaction before future transactions. Even with that set I see all the ones I 
have displayed below the blank transaction, but I can imagine that if you have 
more than will fit in the window then GnuCash will scroll so that the blank 
transaction is at the top of the window and some of those future transactions 
aren't visible. I think that's correct behavior: Ready to perform input with 
the input location visible.

Regards,
John Ralls
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Vincent Dawans]

The notes and splits are populating from the autofill for me so far,
including in this attached test file. Hence those experiencing this feature
not working are definitely hitting a bug somewhere (bug or whatever else
you want to call it).  There certainly was no intentional change in that
behavior that I am aware of.

The challenge now is to figure out what is particular about the situations
in which the problem is occurring and how to replicate it so the
developers can find the origin of the problem. Typically being able to
reproduce the error is often more difficult than fixing it (figuring out
the diagnosis is harder than providing the cure). For those willing to help
with this, one first step could be to create a test file and see whether
the behavior exists there as well. If it does, it might be related to your
larger PC environment, if it doesn't it might be related to something more
specific to your datafile. That would guide what to do as a second step.
Alternatively you are welcome to use my test file attached to this email;
the data is random, typed over type as I am testing various things with it,
which explains some of the strange descriptions, but there is nothing
personal or valuable in that file data-wise and you can do whatever test
you need on it for testing. It has US and Canadian dollar transactions as a
way to test multicurrency features but it's not relevant to this issue.

Sincerely,

Vincent Dawans

On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 9:18 AM Dustin Henning  wrote:

> My notes populated automatically on 5.0, they didn't on 5.3.  I
> downgraded to 5.0 and they do again.  The pop-up list works the same for
> me on 5.0 and 5.3 except for the added option to disable it.  I wouldn't
> want to disable it unless I got the old behavior back, but the old
> behavior seems to clearly be going away seeing as how it was removed
> from another field in 5.3.  The reason my description field has large
> lists is because of previous changes to the OFX/QFX importer meaning
> that I manually populate that field for certain accounts now while it
> was automatically populated previously.  My understanding is that
> behavioral change wasn't the work of the GunCash dev team, so it is what
> it is.  While it also affects my notes field, the automatic typing in my
> notes field is more similar to the automatic typing in your description
> field.  I basically use them for the opposite of what you do due to how
> the OFX/QFX importer worked (and technically would probably still do the
> same now, it's just more work with the new importer behavior).
>
> That having been said, the OFX/QFX importer behavior actually improved
> slightly in 5.3 when compared to 5.0, so maybe I should try 5.1 and 5.2
> to see if I can find something in between to stick with for as long as
> possible.
>
> On 6/29/23 4:18 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> > I just upgraded to 5.3-1 on Monterey and it works fine.
> >
> > I did have to accept the suggestion from the list and then Tab but it
> > populated with an autofill of memo, amounts, et cetera from my last
> > transaction with the same Description.
> >
> > I'll add here that I use GnuCash with old paper and pen habits, that
> > is, I use the 'Description' field as strictly a 'Payee/Payor' field.
> > Actual descriptive information I put in the Notes and/or Memo fields.
> > (Notes for the whole transaction, Memos for things specific to a
> > split) That usage greatly simplifies my Description list. It may not
> > suit everyone of course.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Adrien
> >
> > On 6/29/23 10:42 AM, Dustin Henning wrote:
> >> And it's worse.  Guess I REALLY should have read the release notes.
> >> Now notes doesn't autofiill the old way anyymore so I have to
> >> manually type even more.  My search still isn't begins with, either,
> >> so my list is still extremely long.  I guess maybe they missed that
> >> on Mac.  At least everybody else is happy with the improvements.  I'm
> >> used to being an outlier, so it is what it is.
> >
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Dustin Henning]

My notes populated automatically on 5.0, they didn't on 5.3.  I 
downgraded to 5.0 and they do again.  The pop-up list works the same for 
me on 5.0 and 5.3 except for the added option to disable it.  I wouldn't 
want to disable it unless I got the old behavior back, but the old 
behavior seems to clearly be going away seeing as how it was removed 
from another field in 5.3.  The reason my description field has large 
lists is because of previous changes to the OFX/QFX importer meaning 
that I manually populate that field for certain accounts now while it 
was automatically populated previously.  My understanding is that 
behavioral change wasn't the work of the GunCash dev team, so it is what 
it is.  While it also affects my notes field, the automatic typing in my 
notes field is more similar to the automatic typing in your description 
field.  I basically use them for the opposite of what you do due to how 
the OFX/QFX importer worked (and technically would probably still do the 
same now, it's just more work with the new importer behavior).


That having been said, the OFX/QFX importer behavior actually improved 
slightly in 5.3 when compared to 5.0, so maybe I should try 5.1 and 5.2 
to see if I can find something in between to stick with for as long as 
possible.


On 6/29/23 4:18 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

I just upgraded to 5.3-1 on Monterey and it works fine.

I did have to accept the suggestion from the list and then Tab but it 
populated with an autofill of memo, amounts, et cetera from my last 
transaction with the same Description.


I'll add here that I use GnuCash with old paper and pen habits, that 
is, I use the 'Description' field as strictly a 'Payee/Payor' field. 
Actual descriptive information I put in the Notes and/or Memo fields. 
(Notes for the whole transaction, Memos for things specific to a 
split) That usage greatly simplifies my Description list. It may not 
suit everyone of course.


Regards,
Adrien

On 6/29/23 10:42 AM, Dustin Henning wrote:
And it's worse.  Guess I REALLY should have read the release notes.  
Now notes doesn't autofiill the old way anyymore so I have to 
manually type even more.  My search still isn't begins with, either, 
so my list is still extremely long.  I guess maybe they missed that 
on Mac.  At least everybody else is happy with the improvements.  I'm 
used to being an outlier, so it is what it is.


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Adrien Monteleone]

On 6/30/23 7:08 AM, Michael or Penny Novack wrote:
PS --- don't you love the term "bug". Where I used to work, they had the 
late Grace Murray Hopper in to give us a talk every few years. One of 
her anecdotes of the early days was how the term came about. One time a 
"down" was caused by an insect getting into the machine and causing a 
short. Could just picture the glee of those people as youngsters as they 
attached the specimen* and pages and pages about its life cycle, etc. to 
the hated "problem report" they were required to submit for every "down" 
as a sort of protest. So naturally, the next time they came over with a 
report on a down the response was "OK, what kind of a bug was it this 
time".


* They had sent over to the Smithsonian for an ID and as much 
information about it as possible, so they had a LOT of pages to append.


That's hilarious!

Regards,
Adrien

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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Adrien Monteleone]

On 6/30/23 6:04 AM, David H wrote:

I run Win 10, Win 11, MacOS Monterey, MacOS Ventura and Ubuntu depending on
where I am at any given time.  While I quite like the latest iteration of
the automatch for transactions in 5.3 it's a little annoying that it
doesn't seem to do any matching on the splits within a txn anymore, or did
I miss setting an option somewhere?

I've just reverted to 5.1 on both MacOS and Windows because I have found it
more time consuming to manually type the full description on 3 or 4 split
lines that I've used previously in the same txn type.


If indeed this is the case, that will be a major bummer for me. I put 
lots of detail in my Memos and I heavily re-use descriptions for 
often-bought items. I just upgraded and am behind on entering receipts, 
so I suppose I'm about to find out...


I suspect this feature change will take some time to iron out the kinks.


I also think that the registers now display a little differently to what
they used to.  In 5.1 any open registers always scroll all the way to the
end of the txns when you re-open your GnuCash data file.  In 5.3 they don't
seem to quite get all the way to the bottom meaning you have to manually
page down in every register you had open to see all your future txns, which
in my case is sometimes 15 - 20 as I like to know what's coming up for the
next 60 days cash flow wise.


I don't use future-dated transactions, but if it doesn't even get to the 
last transaction (and ideally the next empty one) that could get quite 
annoying.



Regards,
Adrien

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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Michael or Penny Novack]

Describe THIS better David (lol, not yet having gotten up to 5.1 I can't 
look for myself)



I also think that the registers now display a little differently to what
they used to.  In 5.1 any open registers always scroll all the way to the
end of the txns when you re-open your GnuCash data file.  In 5.3 they don't
seem to quite get all the way to the bottom meaning you have to manually
page down in every register you had open to see all your future txns, which
in my case is sometimes 15 - 20 as I like to know what's coming up for the
next 60 days cash flow wise.


Are you saying "used to scroll down to the last SCHEDULED transaction 
but now scrolls down to the last EXISTING transaction?


I do understand you saying you like the prior behavior, but probably 
most folks considered that a bug they were happy to see fixed. After 
all, USUALLY they are in an account in order to add a transaction, and 
immediately after the last EXISTING transaction is normally where you do 
that << of course gnucash might move it somewhere else depending on the 
effective data of the new transaction. You are presumably taking 
advantage of THAT behavior when entering transactions at what you 
consider the end. The development team probably considered this not a 
"change" but fixing a bug.


Do note that probably many people, myself included, are very often 
wanting to look at the last few actual transactions at the time 
entering  anew one (it's how we spot "damn, forgot to enter last 
month's", etc.). Probably many people, most people, have only a very few 
accounts where  scheduled transactions make up a high percentage of 
transactions by amount  (and so scheduled transaction have the main 
affect on cash flow)


BTW --  this perhaps is a good example why you don't have me 
volunteering with the development crew. The lack of a FORMAL DEFINITION 
that would settle matters like this (feature or bug?) Mind, in that 
world of software development from which I come, the project phase for 
doing that was about 20% of the whole and required the commitment of 
USERS to the process.


Michael D Novack

PS --- don't you love the term "bug". Where I used to work, they had the 
late Grace Murray Hopper in to give us a talk every few years. One of 
her anecdotes of the early days was how the term came about. One time a 
"down" was caused by an insect getting into the machine and causing a 
short. Could just picture the glee of those people as youngsters as they 
attached the specimen* and pages and pages about its life cycle, etc. to 
the hated "problem report" they were required to submit for every "down" 
as a sort of protest. So naturally, the next time they came over with a 
report on a down the response was "OK, what kind of a bug was it this time".


* They had sent over to the Smithsonian for an ID and as much 
information about it as possible, so they had a LOT of pages to append.



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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[David H]

I run Win 10, Win 11, MacOS Monterey, MacOS Ventura and Ubuntu depending on
where I am at any given time.  While I quite like the latest iteration of
the automatch for transactions in 5.3 it's a little annoying that it
doesn't seem to do any matching on the splits within a txn anymore, or did
I miss setting an option somewhere?

I've just reverted to 5.1 on both MacOS and Windows because I have found it
more time consuming to manually type the full description on 3 or 4 split
lines that I've used previously in the same txn type.

I also think that the registers now display a little differently to what
they used to.  In 5.1 any open registers always scroll all the way to the
end of the txns when you re-open your GnuCash data file.  In 5.3 they don't
seem to quite get all the way to the bottom meaning you have to manually
page down in every register you had open to see all your future txns, which
in my case is sometimes 15 - 20 as I like to know what's coming up for the
next 60 days cash flow wise.

Just my 2c worth :-)

Cheers David H.


On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 at 06:19, Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> I just upgraded to 5.3-1 on Monterey and it works fine.
>
> I did have to accept the suggestion from the list and then Tab but it
> populated with an autofill of memo, amounts, et cetera from my last
> transaction with the same Description.
>
> I'll add here that I use GnuCash with old paper and pen habits, that is,
> I use the 'Description' field as strictly a 'Payee/Payor' field. Actual
> descriptive information I put in the Notes and/or Memo fields. (Notes
> for the whole transaction, Memos for things specific to a split) That
> usage greatly simplifies my Description list. It may not suit everyone
> of course.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 6/29/23 10:42 AM, Dustin Henning wrote:
> > And it's worse.  Guess I REALLY should have read the release notes.  Now
> > notes doesn't autofiill the old way anyymore so I have to manually type
> > even more.  My search still isn't begins with, either, so my list is
> > still extremely long.  I guess maybe they missed that on Mac.  At least
> > everybody else is happy with the improvements.  I'm used to being an
> > outlier, so it is what it is.
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Adrien Monteleone]

I just upgraded to 5.3-1 on Monterey and it works fine.

I did have to accept the suggestion from the list and then Tab but it 
populated with an autofill of memo, amounts, et cetera from my last 
transaction with the same Description.


I'll add here that I use GnuCash with old paper and pen habits, that is, 
I use the 'Description' field as strictly a 'Payee/Payor' field. Actual 
descriptive information I put in the Notes and/or Memo fields. (Notes 
for the whole transaction, Memos for things specific to a split) That 
usage greatly simplifies my Description list. It may not suit everyone 
of course.


Regards,
Adrien

On 6/29/23 10:42 AM, Dustin Henning wrote:
And it's worse.  Guess I REALLY should have read the release notes.  Now 
notes doesn't autofiill the old way anyymore so I have to manually type 
even more.  My search still isn't begins with, either, so my list is 
still extremely long.  I guess maybe they missed that on Mac.  At least 
everybody else is happy with the improvements.  I'm used to being an 
outlier, so it is what it is.


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Glenn Fowler]

I'm on windows and the notes do populate with the description... it should
be the same cross platform

On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 11:42 AM Dustin Henning  wrote:

> And it's worse.  Guess I REALLY should have read the release notes.  Now
> notes doesn't autofiill the old way anyymore so I have to manually type
> even more.  My search still isn't begins with, either, so my list is
> still extremely long.  I guess maybe they missed that on Mac.  At least
> everybody else is happy with the improvements.  I'm used to being an
> outlier, so it is what it is.
>
> On 6/29/23 10:02 AM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> > Yes, they switched to a 'begins with' search. (release notes are your
> > friend - they are always posted on the website and here on the mailing
> > list in the release announcement)
> >
> > Since the list also shows more recent descriptions first, it is now
> > like 4.x, but instead of only giving you an auto-fill of the last used
> > similar description, you get more choices.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Adrien
> >
> > On 6/28/23 4:00 PM, Dustin Henning wrote:
> >> Sounds like a good enouh reason to take the leap. Do not fill is
> >> presumably the opposite of what I want, but if it shortened the list,
> >> it probably did so by filtering using a "begins with" type filter,
> >> which would at least help a little.  The problem with "keep typing to
> >> narrow it down" is I'm suddenly typing 10+ characters where 2 or 3
> >> would have been enough before, but that doesn't mean the new method
> >> can't have improved.  Thanks for the tips.
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Jack Lockard]

I haven't upgraded yet so it still uses the contains search. I found that if I 
stop and think about what is unique in the description I want it helps narrow 
things down quicker with less typing. For instance, I have several descriptions 
that start with "Contribute To". I found that if I start typing say "To V" I 
get the description I want in three keystrokes. With the new begins with search 
I'll be back to typing "Contribute To V" to get what I want. There is always a 
trade off somewhere it would seem.

Jack

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Subject: Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

And it's worse.  Guess I REALLY should have read the release notes.  Now notes 
doesn't autofiill the old way anyymore so I have to manually type even more.  
My search still isn't begins with, either, so my list is still extremely long.  
I guess maybe they missed that on Mac.  At least everybody else is happy with 
the improvements.  I'm used to being an outlier, so it is what it is.

On 6/29/23 10:02 AM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> Yes, they switched to a 'begins with' search. (release notes are your
> friend - they are always posted on the website and here on the mailing
> list in the release announcement)
>
> Since the list also shows more recent descriptions first, it is now
> like 4.x, but instead of only giving you an auto-fill of the last used
> similar description, you get more choices.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 6/28/23 4:00 PM, Dustin Henning wrote:
>> Sounds like a good enouh reason to take the leap. Do not fill is
>> presumably the opposite of what I want, but if it shortened the list,
>> it probably did so by filtering using a "begins with" type filter,
>> which would at least help a little.  The problem with "keep typing to
>> narrow it down" is I'm suddenly typing 10+ characters where 2 or 3
>> would have been enough before, but that doesn't mean the new method
>> can't have improved.  Thanks for the tips.
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Dustin Henning]

And it's worse.  Guess I REALLY should have read the release notes.  Now 
notes doesn't autofiill the old way anyymore so I have to manually type 
even more.  My search still isn't begins with, either, so my list is 
still extremely long.  I guess maybe they missed that on Mac.  At least 
everybody else is happy with the improvements.  I'm used to being an 
outlier, so it is what it is.


On 6/29/23 10:02 AM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
Yes, they switched to a 'begins with' search. (release notes are your 
friend - they are always posted on the website and here on the mailing 
list in the release announcement)


Since the list also shows more recent descriptions first, it is now 
like 4.x, but instead of only giving you an auto-fill of the last used 
similar description, you get more choices.


Regards,
Adrien

On 6/28/23 4:00 PM, Dustin Henning wrote:
Sounds like a good enouh reason to take the leap. Do not fill is 
presumably the opposite of what I want, but if it shortened the list, 
it probably did so by filtering using a "begins with" type filter, 
which would at least help a little.  The problem with "keep typing to 
narrow it down" is I'm suddenly typing 10+ characters where 2 or 3 
would have been enough before, but that doesn't mean the new method 
can't have improved.  Thanks for the tips.


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[William Prescott]

I agree. The latest version of clairvoyance in entering a transaction is great. 
It combines finding the most recent, and most likely, with a list of all 
possible options, and an easy up-arrow to kill the auto-complete if desired. 
Well done.

Will

On 29 Jun 2023, at 8:28, Jack Slater  wrote:

Solid improvement! Thanks

On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 9:03 AM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> Yes, they switched to a 'begins with' search. (release notes are your
> friend - they are always posted on the website and here on the mailing
> list in the release announcement)
> 
> Since the list also shows more recent descriptions first, it is now like
> 4.x, but instead of only giving you an auto-fill of the last used
> similar description, you get more choices.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 6/28/23 4:00 PM, Dustin Henning wrote:
>> Sounds like a good enouh reason to take the leap. Do not fill is
>> presumably the opposite of what I want, but if it shortened the list, it
>> probably did so by filtering using a "begins with" type filter, which
>> would at least help a little.  The problem with "keep typing to narrow
>> it down" is I'm suddenly typing 10+ characters where 2 or 3 would have
>> been enough before, but that doesn't mean the new method can't have
>> improved.  Thanks for the tips.
> 
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Jack Slater]

Solid improvement! Thanks

On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 9:03 AM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> Yes, they switched to a 'begins with' search. (release notes are your
> friend - they are always posted on the website and here on the mailing
> list in the release announcement)
>
> Since the list also shows more recent descriptions first, it is now like
> 4.x, but instead of only giving you an auto-fill of the last used
> similar description, you get more choices.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 6/28/23 4:00 PM, Dustin Henning wrote:
> > Sounds like a good enouh reason to take the leap. Do not fill is
> > presumably the opposite of what I want, but if it shortened the list, it
> > probably did so by filtering using a "begins with" type filter, which
> > would at least help a little.  The problem with "keep typing to narrow
> > it down" is I'm suddenly typing 10+ characters where 2 or 3 would have
> > been enough before, but that doesn't mean the new method can't have
> > improved.  Thanks for the tips.
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Adrien Monteleone]

Yes, they switched to a 'begins with' search. (release notes are your 
friend - they are always posted on the website and here on the mailing 
list in the release announcement)


Since the list also shows more recent descriptions first, it is now like 
4.x, but instead of only giving you an auto-fill of the last used 
similar description, you get more choices.


Regards,
Adrien

On 6/28/23 4:00 PM, Dustin Henning wrote:
Sounds like a good enouh reason to take the leap. Do not fill is 
presumably the opposite of what I want, but if it shortened the list, it 
probably did so by filtering using a "begins with" type filter, which 
would at least help a little.  The problem with "keep typing to narrow 
it down" is I'm suddenly typing 10+ characters where 2 or 3 would have 
been enough before, but that doesn't mean the new method can't have 
improved.  Thanks for the tips.


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Dustin Henning]

Sounds like a good enouh reason to take the leap. Do not fill is 
presumably the opposite of what I want, but if it shortened the list, it 
probably did so by filtering using a "begins with" type filter, which 
would at least help a little.  The problem with "keep typing to narrow 
it down" is I'm suddenly typing 10+ characters where 2 or 3 would have 
been enough before, but that doesn't mean the new method can't have 
improved.  Thanks for the tips.


On 6/28/23 4:49 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
I think 5.3 shortened the list and gave priority to most recently 
used, as well as added a Do Not Fill option at the top.


I understand keyboards vary, but you can use the arrow keys to 
navigate the list (or keep typing to narrow it down)


Regards,
Adrien

On 6/28/23 9:23 AM, Dustin Henning wrote:
I haven't upgraded quite that far yet, but I am on 5.x on macOS and I 
also don't have the problem described by the OP.  Regardless, I am 
definitely not a fan of the new feature.  Previously, I could type a 
few letters and have the field populated how I wanted, now I have to 
select from a huge list after typing the same letters, so I find it 
incredibly inconvenient and prefer the way the memo field (still) 
works. I don't mind the popup, tbh, I just wish the field was still 
filled in the old way so I could hit tab and be done instead of 
having to go to the mouse and select from a list. That having been 
said, as a general observation (across many different softwares over 
the last few years vs a GnuCash specific observation), it sure seems 
like convenience features get less and less convenient and interfere 
with previously built-in convenient functionalty more and more as 
software gets more complicated.


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Vincent Dawans]

Also as of 5.3 you can use escape tab to cancel match and move on with
whatever you typed. Similar to how backspace tab worked in 4.x

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 13:50 Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> I think 5.3 shortened the list and gave priority to most recently used,
> as well as added a Do Not Fill option at the top.
>
> I understand keyboards vary, but you can use the arrow keys to navigate
> the list (or keep typing to narrow it down)
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 6/28/23 9:23 AM, Dustin Henning wrote:
> > I haven't upgraded quite that far yet, but I am on 5.x on macOS and I
> > also don't have the problem described by the OP.  Regardless, I am
> > definitely not a fan of the new feature.  Previously, I could type a few
> > letters and have the field populated how I wanted, now I have to select
> > from a huge list after typing the same letters, so I find it incredibly
> > inconvenient and prefer the way the memo field (still) works. I don't
> > mind the popup, tbh, I just wish the field was still filled in the old
> > way so I could hit tab and be done instead of having to go to the mouse
> > and select from a list. That having been said, as a general observation
> > (across many different softwares over the last few years vs a GnuCash
> > specific observation), it sure seems like convenience features get less
> > and less convenient and interfere with previously built-in convenient
> > functionalty more and more as software gets more complicated.
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Adrien Monteleone]

I think 5.3 shortened the list and gave priority to most recently used, 
as well as added a Do Not Fill option at the top.


I understand keyboards vary, but you can use the arrow keys to navigate 
the list (or keep typing to narrow it down)


Regards,
Adrien

On 6/28/23 9:23 AM, Dustin Henning wrote:
I haven't upgraded quite that far yet, but I am on 5.x on macOS and I 
also don't have the problem described by the OP.  Regardless, I am 
definitely not a fan of the new feature.  Previously, I could type a few 
letters and have the field populated how I wanted, now I have to select 
from a huge list after typing the same letters, so I find it incredibly 
inconvenient and prefer the way the memo field (still) works. I don't 
mind the popup, tbh, I just wish the field was still filled in the old 
way so I could hit tab and be done instead of having to go to the mouse 
and select from a list. That having been said, as a general observation 
(across many different softwares over the last few years vs a GnuCash 
specific observation), it sure seems like convenience features get less 
and less convenient and interfere with previously built-in convenient 
functionalty more and more as software gets more complicated.


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Dustin Henning]

I haven't upgraded quite that far yet, but I am on 5.x on macOS and I 
also don't have the problem described by the OP.  Regardless, I am 
definitely not a fan of the new feature.  Previously, I could type a few 
letters and have the field populated how I wanted, now I have to select 
from a huge list after typing the same letters, so I find it incredibly 
inconvenient and prefer the way the memo field (still) works. I don't 
mind the popup, tbh, I just wish the field was still filled in the old 
way so I could hit tab and be done instead of having to go to the mouse 
and select from a list. That having been said, as a general observation 
(across many different softwares over the last few years vs a GnuCash 
specific observation), it sure seems like convenience features get less 
and less convenient and interfere with previously built-in convenient 
functionalty more and more as software gets more complicated.


On 6/27/23 10:47 PM, David H wrote:

Steve/David,

Working fine here on Win 11 also. What type of register are you seeing the
issue in?

Cheers David H.


On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 at 12:06, David H  wrote:


Working as intended here on Windows 10, will also try Win 11 shortly, no
freezing, gibberish works also :-)

Cheers David H.

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 at 11:54, David Cousens 
wrote:


Steve,

There is AFAIK no general way to turn off auto-completion but when it is
initiated and highlights a transaction which it thinks is a match, there
is a
popup "Don't autocomplete" above that first matching transaction which
allows
you to choose not to autocomplete by clicking on it.  The behaviour you
describe
with "A-T" and "U-Z" doesn't occur in V5.3 built on Linux (Mint 21.3) so
it may
be a Windows library problem rather than the GnuCash code itself.

You could raise a feature bug requesting the option of disabling
autocompletion
completely or even on a register by register basis.

David Cousens

On Tue, 2023-06-27 at 18:15 -0700, Steve Miller wrote:

Window 11 user here.  I finally upgraded to the 5 series, 5.3

specifically.

It all works great EXCEPT the autofill on the description in the

register.

I wish there was an option in the preferences to turn that OFF.

I've spent more time playing around with that than I care to remember...
things I experience with it?

If I type any letter A-T, the list of prior descriptions pops up, but

if I

type a letter U-Z it freezes.

if I type gibberish really fast when I get into the description box, I

can

make the gibberish appear (not that that is useful!)

But if i try to type anything else, it generally (85%) of the time, will
freeze when I get to the second letter.  Then i have to delete the

entry.

I've tried re-downloading 5.3, I've tried re-starting GnuCash

repeatedly,

I've rebooted, I've changed the size of window for GnuCash, so I dunno,

I'm

about to go back to version 4.14 or whatever I've been using for past
several years.

I just wish there was a way to switch that "feature" off...  I can't

get it

consistently, or most of the time to work.  I'm quite happy manually

typing

in descriptions...
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Adrien Monteleone]

I thought I saw that a Windows specific freeze bug related to the 
autofill was fixed in the 5.2 release notes.


Perhaps a new bug has cropped up, or it wasn't fixed for all cases.

Or something is wrong with your particular data file, installation, or 
system as it appears to be working for others as noted. (maybe you have 
some sort of corrupted description in that particular register?)


Regards,
Adrien

On 6/27/23 8:15 PM, Steve Miller wrote:

Window 11 user here.  I finally upgraded to the 5 series, 5.3 specifically.
It all works great EXCEPT the autofill on the description in the register.
I wish there was an option in the preferences to turn that OFF.

I've spent more time playing around with that than I care to remember...
things I experience with it?

If I type any letter A-T, the list of prior descriptions pops up, but if I
type a letter U-Z it freezes.

if I type gibberish really fast when I get into the description box, I can
make the gibberish appear (not that that is useful!)

But if i try to type anything else, it generally (85%) of the time, will
freeze when I get to the second letter.  Then i have to delete the entry.

I've tried re-downloading 5.3, I've tried re-starting GnuCash repeatedly,
I've rebooted, I've changed the size of window for GnuCash, so I dunno, I'm
about to go back to version 4.14 or whatever I've been using for past
several years.

I just wish there was a way to switch that "feature" off...  I can't get it
consistently, or most of the time to work.  I'm quite happy manually typing
in descriptions...


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[David H]

Steve/David,

Working fine here on Win 11 also. What type of register are you seeing the
issue in?

Cheers David H.


On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 at 12:06, David H  wrote:

> Working as intended here on Windows 10, will also try Win 11 shortly, no
> freezing, gibberish works also :-)
>
> Cheers David H.
>
> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 at 11:54, David Cousens 
> wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> There is AFAIK no general way to turn off auto-completion but when it is
>> initiated and highlights a transaction which it thinks is a match, there
>> is a
>> popup "Don't autocomplete" above that first matching transaction which
>> allows
>> you to choose not to autocomplete by clicking on it.  The behaviour you
>> describe
>> with "A-T" and "U-Z" doesn't occur in V5.3 built on Linux (Mint 21.3) so
>> it may
>> be a Windows library problem rather than the GnuCash code itself.
>>
>> You could raise a feature bug requesting the option of disabling
>> autocompletion
>> completely or even on a register by register basis.
>>
>> David Cousens
>>
>> On Tue, 2023-06-27 at 18:15 -0700, Steve Miller wrote:
>> > Window 11 user here.  I finally upgraded to the 5 series, 5.3
>> specifically.
>> > It all works great EXCEPT the autofill on the description in the
>> register.
>> > I wish there was an option in the preferences to turn that OFF.
>> >
>> > I've spent more time playing around with that than I care to remember...
>> > things I experience with it?
>> >
>> > If I type any letter A-T, the list of prior descriptions pops up, but
>> if I
>> > type a letter U-Z it freezes.
>> >
>> > if I type gibberish really fast when I get into the description box, I
>> can
>> > make the gibberish appear (not that that is useful!)
>> >
>> > But if i try to type anything else, it generally (85%) of the time, will
>> > freeze when I get to the second letter.  Then i have to delete the
>> entry.
>> >
>> > I've tried re-downloading 5.3, I've tried re-starting GnuCash
>> repeatedly,
>> > I've rebooted, I've changed the size of window for GnuCash, so I dunno,
>> I'm
>> > about to go back to version 4.14 or whatever I've been using for past
>> > several years.
>> >
>> > I just wish there was a way to switch that "feature" off...  I can't
>> get it
>> > consistently, or most of the time to work.  I'm quite happy manually
>> typing
>> > in descriptions...
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[David H]

Working as intended here on Windows 10, will also try Win 11 shortly, no
freezing, gibberish works also :-)

Cheers David H.

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 at 11:54, David Cousens 
wrote:

> Steve,
>
> There is AFAIK no general way to turn off auto-completion but when it is
> initiated and highlights a transaction which it thinks is a match, there
> is a
> popup "Don't autocomplete" above that first matching transaction which
> allows
> you to choose not to autocomplete by clicking on it.  The behaviour you
> describe
> with "A-T" and "U-Z" doesn't occur in V5.3 built on Linux (Mint 21.3) so
> it may
> be a Windows library problem rather than the GnuCash code itself.
>
> You could raise a feature bug requesting the option of disabling
> autocompletion
> completely or even on a register by register basis.
>
> David Cousens
>
> On Tue, 2023-06-27 at 18:15 -0700, Steve Miller wrote:
> > Window 11 user here.  I finally upgraded to the 5 series, 5.3
> specifically.
> > It all works great EXCEPT the autofill on the description in the
> register.
> > I wish there was an option in the preferences to turn that OFF.
> >
> > I've spent more time playing around with that than I care to remember...
> > things I experience with it?
> >
> > If I type any letter A-T, the list of prior descriptions pops up, but if
> I
> > type a letter U-Z it freezes.
> >
> > if I type gibberish really fast when I get into the description box, I
> can
> > make the gibberish appear (not that that is useful!)
> >
> > But if i try to type anything else, it generally (85%) of the time, will
> > freeze when I get to the second letter.  Then i have to delete the entry.
> >
> > I've tried re-downloading 5.3, I've tried re-starting GnuCash repeatedly,
> > I've rebooted, I've changed the size of window for GnuCash, so I dunno,
> I'm
> > about to go back to version 4.14 or whatever I've been using for past
> > several years.
> >
> > I just wish there was a way to switch that "feature" off...  I can't get
> it
> > consistently, or most of the time to work.  I'm quite happy manually
> typing
> > in descriptions...
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[David Cousens]

Steve,

There is AFAIK no general way to turn off auto-completion but when it is
initiated and highlights a transaction which it thinks is a match, there is a
popup "Don't autocomplete" above that first matching transaction which allows
you to choose not to autocomplete by clicking on it.  The behaviour you describe
with "A-T" and "U-Z" doesn't occur in V5.3 built on Linux (Mint 21.3) so it may
be a Windows library problem rather than the GnuCash code itself.

You could raise a feature bug requesting the option of disabling autocompletion
completely or even on a register by register basis.

David Cousens

On Tue, 2023-06-27 at 18:15 -0700, Steve Miller wrote:
> Window 11 user here.  I finally upgraded to the 5 series, 5.3 specifically.
> It all works great EXCEPT the autofill on the description in the register.
> I wish there was an option in the preferences to turn that OFF.
> 
> I've spent more time playing around with that than I care to remember...
> things I experience with it?
> 
> If I type any letter A-T, the list of prior descriptions pops up, but if I
> type a letter U-Z it freezes.
> 
> if I type gibberish really fast when I get into the description box, I can
> make the gibberish appear (not that that is useful!)
> 
> But if i try to type anything else, it generally (85%) of the time, will
> freeze when I get to the second letter.  Then i have to delete the entry.
> 
> I've tried re-downloading 5.3, I've tried re-starting GnuCash repeatedly,
> I've rebooted, I've changed the size of window for GnuCash, so I dunno, I'm
> about to go back to version 4.14 or whatever I've been using for past
> several years.
> 
> I just wish there was a way to switch that "feature" off...  I can't get it
> consistently, or most of the time to work.  I'm quite happy manually typing
> in descriptions...
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[GNC] GnuCash 5.3 autofill headaches

[Steve Miller]

Window 11 user here.  I finally upgraded to the 5 series, 5.3 specifically.
It all works great EXCEPT the autofill on the description in the register.
I wish there was an option in the preferences to turn that OFF.

I've spent more time playing around with that than I care to remember...
things I experience with it?

If I type any letter A-T, the list of prior descriptions pops up, but if I
type a letter U-Z it freezes.

if I type gibberish really fast when I get into the description box, I can
make the gibberish appear (not that that is useful!)

But if i try to type anything else, it generally (85%) of the time, will
freeze when I get to the second letter.  Then i have to delete the entry.

I've tried re-downloading 5.3, I've tried re-starting GnuCash repeatedly,
I've rebooted, I've changed the size of window for GnuCash, so I dunno, I'm
about to go back to version 4.14 or whatever I've been using for past
several years.

I just wish there was a way to switch that "feature" off...  I can't get it
consistently, or most of the time to work.  I'm quite happy manually typing
in descriptions...
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