Re: [GNC] Nabble Delay? (was Re: Future Payments)
I certainly never meant to imply conversations need immediate replies. We’re all over the planet and are awake at different instances in time. But I’ve noticed threads that proceed as if some posts aren’t being seen at the time a user makes a reply, and indeed, as DavidT noted, perhaps they aren’t based on this delay issue which was my suspicion. Certainly, I don’t think this is something that needs to be (or even could be) addressed, it was just a curiosity. Regards, Adrien > On Jul 26, 2018, at 11:13 PM, DaveC49 wrote: > > Adrien, > > I do use Nabble and also get the user list posts by email but as I am in > Australia I sometiimes notice there is a long delay associated with being in > this timezone. I'm not sure where the moderators are located but, I tend to > post usually in the morning AEST (UTC -10:00) and my posts don't often > appear on Nabble, until the next morning so often the issue has been dealt > with by the time a post gets up. We need to be aware that not all responders > are necessarily in the same time zone. > > This never seemed to be a problem a couple of years ago but maybe the > location of the moderator(s) has changed and/or they only have a narrow time > window available to them to lookover posts. Again no criticism of the > moderators intended or to be inferred. I have never really expected > immediate responses in any case so I don't find it too much of a problem but > it does make conversations on a topic difficult at times. > > The delay is not just whether one is subscribed to the mail lists or not > though. I am subscribed to both gnucash-dev and gnucash-user but use Nabble > a lot of the time and my posts to both are still passed through a moderator > and it does not matter whether I reply using Nabble online or by email I > still receive an email saying my post is awaiting moderation. > > David Cousens > > > > - > David Cousens > -- > Sent from: http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-User-f1415819.html > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Nabble Delay? (was Re: Future Payments)
But if he’s subscribed to the list, why would a SMTP based reply from his subscribed address get held? I would think in that case Nabble isn’t being used so it shouldn’t trigger the moderation flag. Regards, Adrien > On Jul 27, 2018, at 4:32 AM, Liz wrote: > > On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 23:13:57 -0500 (CDT) > DaveC49 wrote: > >> I do use Nabble and also get the user list posts by email but as I am >> in Australia I sometiimes notice there is a long delay associated >> with being in this timezone. I'm not sure where the moderators are >> located but, I tend to post usually in the morning AEST (UTC -10:00) >> and my posts don't often appear on Nabble, until the next morning so >> often the issue has been dealt with by the time a post gets up. We >> need to be aware that not all responders are necessarily in the same >> time zone. >> >> This never seemed to be a problem a couple of years ago but maybe the >> location of the moderator(s) has changed and/or they only have a >> narrow time window available to them to lookover posts. Again no >> criticism of the moderators intended or to be inferred. I have never >> really expected immediate responses in any case so I don't find it >> too much of a problem but it does make conversations on a topic >> difficult at times. >> >> The delay is not just whether one is subscribed to the mail lists or >> not though. I am subscribed to both gnucash-dev and gnucash-user but >> use Nabble a lot of the time and my posts to both are still passed >> through a moderator and it does not matter whether I reply using >> Nabble online or by email I still receive an email saying my post is >> awaiting moderation. >> >> David Cousens > > I have sent David a personal email explaining why this is so. The > moderator and the poster are actually in the same time zone, but one is > retired and one works, so we use the internet at different times. > > Liz > the moderator > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Nabble Delay? (was Re: Future Payments)
On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 23:13:57 -0500 (CDT) DaveC49 wrote: > I do use Nabble and also get the user list posts by email but as I am > in Australia I sometiimes notice there is a long delay associated > with being in this timezone. I'm not sure where the moderators are > located but, I tend to post usually in the morning AEST (UTC -10:00) > and my posts don't often appear on Nabble, until the next morning so > often the issue has been dealt with by the time a post gets up. We > need to be aware that not all responders are necessarily in the same > time zone. > > This never seemed to be a problem a couple of years ago but maybe the > location of the moderator(s) has changed and/or they only have a > narrow time window available to them to lookover posts. Again no > criticism of the moderators intended or to be inferred. I have never > really expected immediate responses in any case so I don't find it > too much of a problem but it does make conversations on a topic > difficult at times. > > The delay is not just whether one is subscribed to the mail lists or > not though. I am subscribed to both gnucash-dev and gnucash-user but > use Nabble a lot of the time and my posts to both are still passed > through a moderator and it does not matter whether I reply using > Nabble online or by email I still receive an email saying my post is > awaiting moderation. > > David Cousens I have sent David a personal email explaining why this is so. The moderator and the poster are actually in the same time zone, but one is retired and one works, so we use the internet at different times. Liz the moderator ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Nabble Delay? (was Re: Future Payments)
On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 09:33:10 -0400 "David T. via gnucash-user" wrote: > One big issue with Nabble is that messages from people who use > Nabble, but are NOT subscribed to gnucash-user get delayed in > appearing on gnucash-user, since they must pass through the moderator > before appearing at gnucash-user (this is in no way to be construed > as a criticism of either the moderation or the moderator!). This > delay means that responses sent via Nabble from Nabble users that > HAVE subscribed to gnucash-user come through before the messages to > which they are replying. David T, you have it to a T. The delay occurs where people have chosen not to subscribe to the mailing lists and use an alternate mailing list reader to send emails to the list. Liz The moderator ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Nabble Delay? (was Re: Future Payments)
Adrien, I do use Nabble and also get the user list posts by email but as I am in Australia I sometiimes notice there is a long delay associated with being in this timezone. I'm not sure where the moderators are located but, I tend to post usually in the morning AEST (UTC -10:00) and my posts don't often appear on Nabble, until the next morning so often the issue has been dealt with by the time a post gets up. We need to be aware that not all responders are necessarily in the same time zone. This never seemed to be a problem a couple of years ago but maybe the location of the moderator(s) has changed and/or they only have a narrow time window available to them to lookover posts. Again no criticism of the moderators intended or to be inferred. I have never really expected immediate responses in any case so I don't find it too much of a problem but it does make conversations on a topic difficult at times. The delay is not just whether one is subscribed to the mail lists or not though. I am subscribed to both gnucash-dev and gnucash-user but use Nabble a lot of the time and my posts to both are still passed through a moderator and it does not matter whether I reply using Nabble online or by email I still receive an email saying my post is awaiting moderation. David Cousens - David Cousens -- Sent from: http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-User-f1415819.html ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Nabble Delay? (was Re: Future Payments)
My Apologies David. I saw the ’Sent from: ...nabble.com...’ at the bottom of the message from you that I was reading and didn’t look closely enough. It was part of the quoted message from abd34, not part of your reply. (facepalm) But you have well explained the message delay issue for me. I understand now. I think I also need to slow down and read and ponder more thoroughly before hitting ’send.’ I seem to be displaying itchy finger syndrome. Regards, Adrien > On Jul 26, 2018, at 8:33 AM, David T. wrote: > > Huh??? > > Adrien, I do not use Nabble. Never have. Never will. I find everything about > Nabble annoying. > > One big issue with Nabble is that messages from people who use Nabble, but > are NOT subscribed to gnucash-user get delayed in appearing on gnucash-user, > since they must pass through the moderator before appearing at gnucash-user > (this is in no way to be construed as a criticism of either the moderation or > the moderator!). This delay means that responses sent via Nabble from Nabble > users that HAVE subscribed to gnucash-user come through before the messages > to which they are replying. > > Because there *are* others using Nabble as their primary access point, I have > found that I have to double-check at lists.gnucash.org to see whether there > are other replies for a given message. > > WRT to the thread below, when I look at lists.gnucash.org, I see that my > reply follows directly from adb34’s (terse) nabble posting, and directly > addresses their question. I was fully aware of your message, but the OP reply > suggested that they hoped to have some mechanism for tracking future expenses > in GnuCash without creating a transaction that appears on the books. My reply > was meant to expand on that point a little more directly than your original > reply, which was accurate but clearly hadn’t satisfied their particular itch. > > David T. > > On July 26, 2018 at 2:32:09 AM, Adrien Monteleone > (adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net) wrote: > >> At first I suspected that since the OP was using Nabble, the communication >> problem was with that site or that the OP was seeing a cached page and thus >> not seeing the most recent replies. >> >> But I see David, that you’re using Nabble as well, so either you have >> caching turned off, or you simply are long in the habit of force-reloading >> before replying. (or there is some other explanation, because your end of >> the conversation is never disjointed.) But this is at the least the 10th >> time in recent memory I’ve questioned whether others can see, or have seen, >> certain replies. Some threads progress as if certain posters are not getting >> all list messages. Maybe the page reload is JS feature of Nabble (like some >> news sites) and the user is blocking scripts or it uses a really short page >> TTL, and those users have their browsers set to ignore TTL and force cache >> instead. >> >> OR, Nabble just has a bit of a delay and by chance some people reply before >> seeing other replies already sent out by Mailman. >> >> Regards, >> Adrien >> >> > David T. sunfish62 on Sat Jul 14 11:40:56 EDT 2018 >> > >> > Not that I know of. You can either post date a real transaction, or create >> > a scheduled transaction, which will create a real transaction N days >> > before the scheduled date. >> > David T. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 10:53, adb34 via gnucash-user< >> > gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> > > wrote: I guess there must be another way? >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Sent from: >> > http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-User-f1415819.html >> >> ___ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user@gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> - >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Nabble Delay? (was Re: Future Payments)
Huh??? Adrien, I do not use Nabble. Never have. Never will. I find everything about Nabble annoying. One big issue with Nabble is that messages from people who use Nabble, but are NOT subscribed to gnucash-user get delayed in appearing on gnucash-user, since they must pass through the moderator before appearing at gnucash-user (this is in no way to be construed as a criticism of either the moderation or the moderator!). This delay means that responses sent via Nabble from Nabble users that HAVE subscribed to gnucash-user come through before the messages to which they are replying. Because there *are* others using Nabble as their primary access point, I have found that I have to double-check at lists.gnucash.org to see whether there are other replies for a given message. WRT to the thread below, when I look at lists.gnucash.org, I see that my reply follows directly from adb34’s (terse) nabble posting, and directly addresses their question. I was fully aware of your message, but the OP reply suggested that they hoped to have some mechanism for tracking future expenses in GnuCash without creating a transaction that appears on the books. My reply was meant to expand on that point a little more directly than your original reply, which was accurate but clearly hadn’t satisfied their particular itch. David T. On July 26, 2018 at 2:32:09 AM, Adrien Monteleone (adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net) wrote: At first I suspected that since the OP was using Nabble, the communication problem was with that site or that the OP was seeing a cached page and thus not seeing the most recent replies. But I see David, that you’re using Nabble as well, so either you have caching turned off, or you simply are long in the habit of force-reloading before replying. (or there is some other explanation, because your end of the conversation is never disjointed.) But this is at the least the 10th time in recent memory I’ve questioned whether others can see, or have seen, certain replies. Some threads progress as if certain posters are not getting all list messages. Maybe the page reload is JS feature of Nabble (like some news sites) and the user is blocking scripts or it uses a really short page TTL, and those users have their browsers set to ignore TTL and force cache instead. OR, Nabble just has a bit of a delay and by chance some people reply before seeing other replies already sent out by Mailman. Regards, Adrien > David T. sunfish62 on Sat Jul 14 11:40:56 EDT 2018 > > Not that I know of. You can either post date a real transaction, or create a > scheduled transaction, which will create a real transaction N days before the > scheduled date. > David T. > > > > On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 10:53, adb34 via gnucash-user< > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > wrote: I guess there must be another way? > > > > -- > Sent from: > http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-User-f1415819.html ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
[GNC] Nabble Delay? (was Re: Future Payments)
At first I suspected that since the OP was using Nabble, the communication problem was with that site or that the OP was seeing a cached page and thus not seeing the most recent replies. But I see David, that you’re using Nabble as well, so either you have caching turned off, or you simply are long in the habit of force-reloading before replying. (or there is some other explanation, because your end of the conversation is never disjointed.) But this is at the least the 10th time in recent memory I’ve questioned whether others can see, or have seen, certain replies. Some threads progress as if certain posters are not getting all list messages. Maybe the page reload is JS feature of Nabble (like some news sites) and the user is blocking scripts or it uses a really short page TTL, and those users have their browsers set to ignore TTL and force cache instead. OR, Nabble just has a bit of a delay and by chance some people reply before seeing other replies already sent out by Mailman. Regards, Adrien > David T. sunfish62 on Sat Jul 14 11:40:56 EDT 2018 > > Not that I know of. You can either post date a real transaction, or create a > scheduled transaction, which will create a real transaction N days before the > scheduled date. > David T. > > > > On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 10:53, adb34 via gnucash-user< > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > wrote: I guess there must be another way? > > > > -- > Sent from: > http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-User-f1415819.html ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
