Re: Finally ready to move from Windoze to Unix, suggestions of flavor of Unix to use **[solved]**

[Mike or Penny Novack]

On 3/21/2018 6:05 PM, David Carlson wrote:

Linux is not Unix.  Nor is BSD.  Very few users are interested either of
the other two, but they both are very important in the grand scheme of
things.

David C

True about linux and the unixes not being the SAME operating system, but 
users do not ordinarily interact with their computers at the level of 
the operating system itself. They interact with a "windows manager" and 
perhaps if a bit more advanced, at the command line with a "shell language".


Since linux and the various unix variants share* choices of windows 
manager and shell languages and the standard unix library of utilities, 
share the same notion of "permissions", etc. it makes little practical 
difference at the user level. If I sat down at a terminal, in front of 
me say a KDE screen or at the command line of bash I would not 
immediately know was that linux, an old unix, BSD, etc. and with very 
little of what I might do would it make any difference.


Michael D Novack

* A particular linux disto (or unix distro) might not come with the full 
range of what is available in place, but could always get them.

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Re: Finally ready to move from Windoze to Unix, suggestions of flavor of Unix to use **[solved]**

[David Carlson]

Linux is not Unix.  Nor is BSD.  Very few users are interested either of
the other two, but they both are very important in the grand scheme of
things.

David C

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 3:05 PM, jeffrey black 
wrote:

> On 3/17/2018 11:35 AM, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
> > Folks,
> > Thus is no longer a thread about gnucash. Perhaps you could take it to
> another venue.
> > David T.
> >
> >
> >
> >On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 20:57, Adrien Monteleone gmail.com> wrote:   Avoiding updating the kernel can leave you with
> security vulnerabilities. Last summer there was a bluetooth vulnerability
> that was patched and some patches for Spectre and Meltdown have recently
> been released with more pending.
> >
> > There is a solution to rebuilding drivers, however, called DKMS (Dynamic
> Kernel Module Support) Essentially, you install the dkms package first,
> then create a small .conf file with the instructions to build the driver
> using the modules instructions. You then copy the module files into the
> kernel source tree directories and then install the module using dkms. From
> there on out, each time you update the kernel, dkms will be called and it
> will re-compile and install any modules you set up this way. (note, this is
> generally how the custom drivers function of Ubuntu works. Virtualbox and
> Vmware also take advantage of dkms so their kernel modules survive kernel
> updates)
> >
> > Instructions can be found here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DKMS
> >
> > If the RTL drivers that are pre-installed don’t seem to want to work
> with your hardware, double check dmesg and look for any related warnings or
> errors about not loading firmware. Some hardware requires proprietary
> firmware even though the drivers are open-source. The message might even
> give you a web address to download it from, but you can most likely easily
> find it by doing a web search. All you have to do then is unpack the
> firmware and copy it to the /lib/firmware directory. (on *buntu and Debian
> systems) This will survive a kernel update as the firmware files don’t get
> zapped. (the driver is already in the kernel anyway)
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Adrien
> >
> >> On Mar 17, 2018, at 3:42 AM, DaveC49  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Jeffrey,
> >>
> >> I have been using Linux Mint which is a Debian/Ubuntu distribution for
> 4-5
> >> years with no major problems. The interface is fairly easy to
> transition to
> >> from Windows particularly if prior to Windows 8.
> >>
> >> The RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express controller should work with the
> standard
> >> Ubuntu distribution drivers. It works fine on my AMD desktop with no
> >> inetrvention.
> >>
> >> Some wireless 802.11ac wireless usb adapters are not supported by the
> >> inbuilt drivers. The list of supported drivers is widening all the time
> and
> >> there are prefeerred adapters for use with Linux. I have a Netgear A6100
> >> which is based on the Realtek 8811 chipset which is not supported by the
> >> inbuilt drivers. It uses an RTL8812 driver for which versions modified
> from
> >> Realteks sources for the Windows drivers for Linux need to be used .
> There
> >> are a number of repositories on Github which support drivers for
> chipsets
> >> which are not supported by the distribution's inbuilt driver  (e.g. for
> RTL
> >> 8812 driver https://github.com/diederikdehaas/rtl8812AU). They are not
> very
> >> difficult to compile and install. Sorting out which drivers need to be
> used
> >> can be a bit confusing at first. Ubuntu maintains lists of USB adpaters,
> >> chipsets with some references to respositories but not always completely
> >> upto date.
> >>
> >> One way to simplify things is to avoid updating the kernel version as
> you
> >> generally have to rebuild the drivers with a new kernel version. It is
> >> generally better to stay with the Linux kernel version that the
> distriubtion
> >> you use is based on. Linux Mint has a default option to not install
> kernel
> >> updates to new versions automatically. Sometimes the kernel changes
> require
> >> the drivers to be patched particularly changes in the major and minor
> >> version numbers. This generally happens reasonably quickly on most
> driver
> >> repositories. I try to use repositories which are being updated fairly
> >> frequently like the above. When there is an enforced update as with the
> >> Sceptre and Meltdown vulnerabilities, the kernel versions on which the
> >> distributions are based are usually patched fairly quickly.
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: Finally ready to move from Windoze to Unix, suggestions of flavor of Unix to use **[solved]**

[jeffrey black]

On 3/17/2018 11:35 AM, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
> Folks,
> Thus is no longer a thread about gnucash. Perhaps you could take it to 
> another venue.
> David T.
>
>   
>   
>On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 20:57, Adrien 
> Monteleone wrote:   Avoiding updating the kernel 
> can leave you with security vulnerabilities. Last summer there was a 
> bluetooth vulnerability that was patched and some patches for Spectre and 
> Meltdown have recently been released with more pending.
>
> There is a solution to rebuilding drivers, however, called DKMS (Dynamic 
> Kernel Module Support) Essentially, you install the dkms package first, then 
> create a small .conf file with the instructions to build the driver using the 
> modules instructions. You then copy the module files into the kernel source 
> tree directories and then install the module using dkms. From there on out, 
> each time you update the kernel, dkms will be called and it will re-compile 
> and install any modules you set up this way. (note, this is generally how the 
> custom drivers function of Ubuntu works. Virtualbox and Vmware also take 
> advantage of dkms so their kernel modules survive kernel updates)
>
> Instructions can be found here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DKMS
>
> If the RTL drivers that are pre-installed don’t seem to want to work with 
> your hardware, double check dmesg and look for any related warnings or errors 
> about not loading firmware. Some hardware requires proprietary firmware even 
> though the drivers are open-source. The message might even give you a web 
> address to download it from, but you can most likely easily find it by doing 
> a web search. All you have to do then is unpack the firmware and copy it to 
> the /lib/firmware directory. (on *buntu and Debian systems) This will survive 
> a kernel update as the firmware files don’t get zapped. (the driver is 
> already in the kernel anyway)
>
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
>> On Mar 17, 2018, at 3:42 AM, DaveC49  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jeffrey,
>>
>> I have been using Linux Mint which is a Debian/Ubuntu distribution for 4-5
>> years with no major problems. The interface is fairly easy to transition to
>> from Windows particularly if prior to Windows 8.
>>
>> The RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express controller should work with the standard
>> Ubuntu distribution drivers. It works fine on my AMD desktop with no
>> inetrvention.
>>
>> Some wireless 802.11ac wireless usb adapters are not supported by the
>> inbuilt drivers. The list of supported drivers is widening all the time and
>> there are prefeerred adapters for use with Linux. I have a Netgear A6100
>> which is based on the Realtek 8811 chipset which is not supported by the
>> inbuilt drivers. It uses an RTL8812 driver for which versions modified from
>> Realteks sources for the Windows drivers for Linux need to be used . There
>> are a number of repositories on Github which support drivers for chipsets
>> which are not supported by the distribution's inbuilt driver  (e.g. for RTL
>> 8812 driver https://github.com/diederikdehaas/rtl8812AU). They are not very
>> difficult to compile and install. Sorting out which drivers need to be used
>> can be a bit confusing at first. Ubuntu maintains lists of USB adpaters,
>> chipsets with some references to respositories but not always completely
>> upto date.
>>
>> One way to simplify things is to avoid updating the kernel version as you
>> generally have to rebuild the drivers with a new kernel version. It is
>> generally better to stay with the Linux kernel version that the distriubtion
>> you use is based on. Linux Mint has a default option to not install kernel
>> updates to new versions automatically. Sometimes the kernel changes require
>> the drivers to be patched particularly changes in the major and minor
>> version numbers. This generally happens reasonably quickly on most driver
>> repositories. I try to use repositories which are being updated fairly
>> frequently like the above. When there is an enforced update as with the
>> Sceptre and Meltdown vulnerabilities, the kernel versions on which the
>> distributions are based are usually patched fairly quickly.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Finally ready to move from Windoze to Unix, suggestions of flavor of Unix to use

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Folks, 
Thus is no longer a thread about gnucash. Perhaps you could take it to another 
venue. 
David T.

 
 
  On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 20:57, Adrien Monteleone 
wrote:   Avoiding updating the kernel can leave you with security 
vulnerabilities. Last summer there was a bluetooth vulnerability that was 
patched and some patches for Spectre and Meltdown have recently been released 
with more pending.

There is a solution to rebuilding drivers, however, called DKMS (Dynamic Kernel 
Module Support) Essentially, you install the dkms package first, then create a 
small .conf file with the instructions to build the driver using the modules 
instructions. You then copy the module files into the kernel source tree 
directories and then install the module using dkms. From there on out, each 
time you update the kernel, dkms will be called and it will re-compile and 
install any modules you set up this way. (note, this is generally how the 
custom drivers function of Ubuntu works. Virtualbox and Vmware also take 
advantage of dkms so their kernel modules survive kernel updates)

Instructions can be found here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DKMS

If the RTL drivers that are pre-installed don’t seem to want to work with your 
hardware, double check dmesg and look for any related warnings or errors about 
not loading firmware. Some hardware requires proprietary firmware even though 
the drivers are open-source. The message might even give you a web address to 
download it from, but you can most likely easily find it by doing a web search. 
All you have to do then is unpack the firmware and copy it to the /lib/firmware 
directory. (on *buntu and Debian systems) This will survive a kernel update as 
the firmware files don’t get zapped. (the driver is already in the kernel 
anyway)


Regards,
Adrien

> On Mar 17, 2018, at 3:42 AM, DaveC49  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jeffrey,
> 
> I have been using Linux Mint which is a Debian/Ubuntu distribution for 4-5
> years with no major problems. The interface is fairly easy to transition to
> from Windows particularly if prior to Windows 8. 
> 
> The RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express controller should work with the standard
> Ubuntu distribution drivers. It works fine on my AMD desktop with no
> inetrvention.
> 
> Some wireless 802.11ac wireless usb adapters are not supported by the
> inbuilt drivers. The list of supported drivers is widening all the time and
> there are prefeerred adapters for use with Linux. I have a Netgear A6100
> which is based on the Realtek 8811 chipset which is not supported by the
> inbuilt drivers. It uses an RTL8812 driver for which versions modified from
> Realteks sources for the Windows drivers for Linux need to be used . There
> are a number of repositories on Github which support drivers for chipsets
> which are not supported by the distribution's inbuilt driver  (e.g. for RTL
> 8812 driver https://github.com/diederikdehaas/rtl8812AU). They are not very
> difficult to compile and install. Sorting out which drivers need to be used 
> can be a bit confusing at first. Ubuntu maintains lists of USB adpaters,
> chipsets with some references to respositories but not always completely
> upto date.
> 
> One way to simplify things is to avoid updating the kernel version as you
> generally have to rebuild the drivers with a new kernel version. It is
> generally better to stay with the Linux kernel version that the distriubtion
> you use is based on. Linux Mint has a default option to not install kernel
> updates to new versions automatically. Sometimes the kernel changes require
> the drivers to be patched particularly changes in the major and minor
> version numbers. This generally happens reasonably quickly on most driver
> repositories. I try to use repositories which are being updated fairly
> frequently like the above. When there is an enforced update as with the
> Sceptre and Meltdown vulnerabilities, the kernel versions on which the
> distributions are based are usually patched fairly quickly.
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Finally ready to move from Windoze to Unix, suggestions of flavor of Unix to use

[Adrien Monteleone]

Avoiding updating the kernel can leave you with security vulnerabilities. Last 
summer there was a bluetooth vulnerability that was patched and some patches 
for Spectre and Meltdown have recently been released with more pending.

There is a solution to rebuilding drivers, however, called DKMS (Dynamic Kernel 
Module Support) Essentially, you install the dkms package first, then create a 
small .conf file with the instructions to build the driver using the modules 
instructions. You then copy the module files into the kernel source tree 
directories and then install the module using dkms. From there on out, each 
time you update the kernel, dkms will be called and it will re-compile and 
install any modules you set up this way. (note, this is generally how the 
custom drivers function of Ubuntu works. Virtualbox and Vmware also take 
advantage of dkms so their kernel modules survive kernel updates)

Instructions can be found here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DKMS

If the RTL drivers that are pre-installed don’t seem to want to work with your 
hardware, double check dmesg and look for any related warnings or errors about 
not loading firmware. Some hardware requires proprietary firmware even though 
the drivers are open-source. The message might even give you a web address to 
download it from, but you can most likely easily find it by doing a web search. 
All you have to do then is unpack the firmware and copy it to the /lib/firmware 
directory. (on *buntu and Debian systems) This will survive a kernel update as 
the firmware files don’t get zapped. (the driver is already in the kernel 
anyway)


Regards,
Adrien

> On Mar 17, 2018, at 3:42 AM, DaveC49  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jeffrey,
> 
> I have been using Linux Mint which is a Debian/Ubuntu distribution for 4-5
> years with no major problems. The interface is fairly easy to transition to
> from Windows particularly if prior to Windows 8. 
> 
> The RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express controller should work with the standard
> Ubuntu distribution drivers. It works fine on my AMD desktop with no
> inetrvention.
> 
> Some wireless 802.11ac wireless usb adapters are not supported by the
> inbuilt drivers. The list of supported drivers is widening all the time and
> there are prefeerred adapters for use with Linux. I have a Netgear A6100
> which is based on the Realtek 8811 chipset which is not supported by the
> inbuilt drivers. It uses an RTL8812 driver for which versions modified from
> Realteks sources for the Windows drivers for Linux need to be used . There
> are a number of repositories on Github which support drivers for chipsets
> which are not supported by the distribution's inbuilt driver  (e.g. for RTL
> 8812 driver https://github.com/diederikdehaas/rtl8812AU). They are not very
> difficult to compile and install. Sorting out which drivers need to be used 
> can be a bit confusing at first. Ubuntu maintains lists of USB adpaters,
> chipsets with some references to respositories but not always completely
> upto date.
> 
> One way to simplify things is to avoid updating the kernel version as you
> generally have to rebuild the drivers with a new kernel version. It is
> generally better to stay with the Linux kernel version that the distriubtion
> you use is based on. Linux Mint has a default option to not install kernel
> updates to new versions automatically. Sometimes the kernel changes require
> the drivers to be patched particularly changes in the major and minor
> version numbers. This generally happens reasonably quickly on most driver
> repositories. I try to use repositories which are being updated fairly
> frequently like the above. When there is an enforced update as with the
> Sceptre and Meltdown vulnerabilities, the kernel versions on which the
> distributions are based are usually patched fairly quickly.
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Finally ready to move from Windoze to Unix, suggestions of flavor of Unix to use

[DaveC49]

Hi Jeffrey,

I have been using Linux Mint which is a Debian/Ubuntu distribution for 4-5
years with no major problems. The interface is fairly easy to transition to
from Windows particularly if prior to Windows 8. 

The RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express controller should work with the standard
Ubuntu distribution drivers. It works fine on my AMD desktop with no
inetrvention.

Some wireless 802.11ac wireless usb adapters are not supported by the
inbuilt drivers. The list of supported drivers is widening all the time and
there are prefeerred adapters for use with Linux. I have a Netgear A6100
which is based on the Realtek 8811 chipset which is not supported by the
inbuilt drivers. It uses an RTL8812 driver for which versions modified from
Realteks sources for the Windows drivers for Linux need to be used . There
are a number of repositories on Github which support drivers for chipsets
which are not supported by the distribution's inbuilt driver  (e.g. for RTL
8812 driver https://github.com/diederikdehaas/rtl8812AU). They are not very
difficult to compile and install. Sorting out which drivers need to be used 
can be a bit confusing at first. Ubuntu maintains lists of USB adpaters,
chipsets with some references to respositories but not always completely
upto date.

One way to simplify things is to avoid updating the kernel version as you
generally have to rebuild the drivers with a new kernel version. It is
generally better to stay with the Linux kernel version that the distriubtion
you use is based on. Linux Mint has a default option to not install kernel
updates to new versions automatically. Sometimes the kernel changes require
the drivers to be patched particularly changes in the major and minor
version numbers. This generally happens reasonably quickly on most driver
repositories. I try to use repositories which are being updated fairly
frequently like the above. When there is an enforced update as with the
Sceptre and Meltdown vulnerabilities, the kernel versions on which the
distributions are based are usually patched fairly quickly.

David



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Re: Finally ready to move from Windoze to Unix, suggestions of flavor of Unix to use

[Tracey C]

I'd also recommend Linux Mint. In my experience, it's easy to setup and
use, even for someone who is used to Windows and new to Linux. The Mint
and Ubuntu support communities are very helpful (Mint is based on Ubuntu
so a lot of articles about Ubuntu can also apply). I ran it for years on
my work and personal laptops because I was looking for a stable
distribution. Gnucash runs well on Mint.

The Mint maintainers also are very keen on keeping the user experience
hassle free. Their changes always have the user experience in mind (as
opposed to other goals like making changes to chase the new shiny).


On 03/15/2018 09:08 AM, Les wrote:
> Second that, I have it running of 2 of my laptops (one for testing
> purposes).
>
> One thing (among many) is it is continuously being improved, every few
> months a newer version is released.
>
> Les
>
>
> On 03/15/2018 08:55 AM, Alan Whiteman wrote:
>> My vote goes to Linux Mint. Superb distro.
>>

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Re: Finally ready to move from Windoze to Unix, suggestions of flavor of Unix to use

[Ronal B Morse]

Another vote for Linux Mint.

I don't use it as my distribution of choice, but I maintain a number of 
installations for others and find Mint to be the most user-friendly and 
difficult to break of the more widely used flavors of Linux.


It's been a while since I encountered hardware that Mint does not 
support, too.


RBM


On 03/15/2018 11:43 AM, bhoth wrote:

Another vote for Linux Mint, current running 18.3 on 3 different computers.



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Re: Finally ready to move from Windoze to Unix, suggestions of flavor of Unix to use

[Robert Heller]

Some other things:

When buying a *new* computer, it pays to pay attention to the hardware 
details.  Check the fine print or ask the sales critter about the make/model 
of the various chipsets used:

Intel chips (Ethernet, Wifi, Video, Sound, etc.) are often amoung the *best* 
supported under Linux.  Intel is actively involved in the Linux kernel support 
community, so most/all of their chipsets will have kernel drivers as part of 
the base kernel.  Note: you might still need to download and install Wifi 
*firmware*.

Newbies should probably avoid nVidia video chips.  (Yes nVidia's video chips 
might be faster, but they can be a hassle because although nVidia "supports" 
Linux, they do it with semi-closed drivers that are non-trivial to install or 
update.)  Unless you are doing serious 3D modeling or animation, they are more 
hassle than they are worth.

RedHat employees use Leveno laptops, so it is likely that a Leveno laptop will 
work *out of the box* with any RedHat-based distro (and will likely work with 
Ubuntu, since RedHat is likely to push the drivers they develop into the Linux 
kernel tree).

At Thu, 15 Mar 2018 12:56:22 -0500 Adrien Monteleone 
 wrote:

> 
> Jeffrey,
> 
> As you can see, such a question can generate more suggestions than people 
> responding.
> 
> As someone who just tackled an issue with closed-source wifi drivers in 
> Ubuntu, the links Edward provided seem to probably be the best route. I’ve 
> also successfully tackled Realtek cards before, but they were much older, and 
> each chipset comes with a “your mileage will vary” caveat.
> 
> Note, I’d recommend creating a live usb/dvd (USB3 would be the fastest) and 
> load that to test your distro of choice. If you’re familiar with Ubuntu, 
> just stick with that. No need to add an OS learning curve yet when you 
> already have a hardware issue. (Mint would be a fine substitute as noted if 
> you want another choice)
> 
> While in the live environment, try out the solutions presented on the pages 
> Edward linked or others you find. Always try the easy, simple stuff first. If 
> there are commands to try, such as blacklisting modules, bringing interfaces 
> up and down, do those first, before you jump into compiling drivers yourself. 
> More than likely, a usable driver you need is already compiled in the 
> universe repository. It’s just a matter of installing it and blacklisting 
> whatever is the default so your driver loads.
> 
> Once you get networking in a usable state in the live environment, THEN 
> install the OS. (Ubuntu and other distros are usually nice to Windows should 
> you want to retain that installation - MS not so much if you go the other way 
> around)
> 
> Of course, you’ll have to repeat the steps to get networking up and running 
> properly again, but you’ll be able to avoid the trial and error and just 
> jump to the actual solution.
> 
> Live environments are always slower than an actual install, but they should 
> be significantly faster than running inside a VM, especially on a Windows 10 
> host.
> 
> Whatever distro you choose, use their forums for help on your specific 
> problem. They’ll be able to provide more tailored assistance.
> 
> Best of luck.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> > On Mar 15, 2018, at 1:17 AM, jeffrey black  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > I realize this is the wrong forum to ask but; I am finally looking to 
> > ditch Windoze 10 completely.
> > 
> > I am at my wits end trying to get ubuntu to work with my system. I have 
> > tried every post I can find on activating the ethernet and wifi, none of 
> > which work.
> > 
> > I have an iBUYPOWER intel core I5 computer with the Realtek 
> > RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit ethernet controller, and usb:o 
> > realtek generic usb device 802.11ac wlan adapter (usb 2), all built into 
> > the motherboard.  The motherboard model is H170-pro.  Meaning I have no 
> > internet, wifi, or networking capability under ubuntu.
> > 
> > I can run ubuntu 14 in a vm window but; it is even slower than Windoze 
> > 10 pro 64-bit.  And Windoze 10 is painfully slow now. GnuCash takes 
> > forever to load with all the additional junk micro$oft has added.  Under 
> > the VM, go to town and eat dinner before GnuCash loads.
> > 
> > Does anyone have a suggestion on what flavor of Unix I should use on 
> > this computer? Wifi, networking and GnuCash are mandatory 
> > requirements for me to switch.
> > 
> > --JEffrey Black M.B.A.
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Re: Finally ready to move from Windoze to Unix, suggestions of flavor of Unix to use

[Mike or Penny Novack]

On 3/15/2018 2:16 PM, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote:

As you can see, such a question can generate more suggestions than
people responding.

+1 (I agree), this is mostly because there is no single "Linux", every
GNU+Linux system distribution has different goals, different community
rules, views, software freedom status, and so on. It's like
clothing, some fit and some don't.

Perhaps even more to the point for somebody totally new to a 'nix.

With the various Windows OS's and with the Mac OS's the "operating 
system" you get ONE "windows manager". When the users of that Windows OS 
or Mac OS interact with their computer they see (interact with) that 
"windows manager" and so see THAT as their operating system. But the 
actual operating system is underneath that.


The typical linux (or unix) distribution offers a CHOICE of "windows 
manager" (what you as the user interact with). I am not going to go into 
how these differ except to point out that they all have their adherents, 
sometimes fiercely partisan in favor of their preference (KDE, Gnome, 
etc.). The distro you choose MAY come with one of these "as default" but 
you shouldn't decide "I don't like linux" (should that be the case) 
based upon JUST experiencing it through the mediation of that windows 
manager. Before giving up on your linux install, try switching to a 
different windows manager.


Likewise, when working at the command line (if you do) you also usually 
get a choice of "shell language". Any of these, combined with the 
standard 'nix library, constitute a powerful "string processing 
language" << a computer language where the fundamental data type is 
"string" >>  Again, if you don't like the first you get, you can try 
another << eg: I preferred "bash" >>


Michael D Novack

PS: I can't help with your linux. Been more than ten years since I last 
used a 'nix (before the house fire)

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Re: Finally ready to move from Windoze to Unix, suggestions of flavor of Unix to use

[Adrien Monteleone]

Jeffrey,

As you can see, such a question can generate more suggestions than people 
responding.

As someone who just tackled an issue with closed-source wifi drivers in Ubuntu, 
the links Edward provided seem to probably be the best route. I’ve also 
successfully tackled Realtek cards before, but they were much older, and each 
chipset comes with a “your mileage will vary” caveat.

Note, I’d recommend creating a live usb/dvd (USB3 would be the fastest) and 
load that to test your distro of choice. If you’re familiar with Ubuntu, just 
stick with that. No need to add an OS learning curve yet when you already have 
a hardware issue. (Mint would be a fine substitute as noted if you want another 
choice)

While in the live environment, try out the solutions presented on the pages 
Edward linked or others you find. Always try the easy, simple stuff first. If 
there are commands to try, such as blacklisting modules, bringing interfaces up 
and down, do those first, before you jump into compiling drivers yourself. More 
than likely, a usable driver you need is already compiled in the universe 
repository. It’s just a matter of installing it and blacklisting whatever is 
the default so your driver loads.

Once you get networking in a usable state in the live environment, THEN install 
the OS. (Ubuntu and other distros are usually nice to Windows should you want 
to retain that installation - MS not so much if you go the other way around)

Of course, you’ll have to repeat the steps to get networking up and running 
properly again, but you’ll be able to avoid the trial and error and just jump 
to the actual solution.

Live environments are always slower than an actual install, but they should be 
significantly faster than running inside a VM, especially on a Windows 10 host.

Whatever distro you choose, use their forums for help on your specific problem. 
They’ll be able to provide more tailored assistance.

Best of luck.


Regards,
Adrien

> On Mar 15, 2018, at 1:17 AM, jeffrey black  wrote:
> 
> I realize this is the wrong forum to ask but; I am finally looking to 
> ditch Windoze 10 completely.
> 
> I am at my wits end trying to get ubuntu to work with my system. I have 
> tried every post I can find on activating the ethernet and wifi, none of 
> which work.
> 
> I have an iBUYPOWER intel core I5 computer with the Realtek 
> RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit ethernet controller, and usb:o 
> realtek generic usb device 802.11ac wlan adapter (usb 2), all built into 
> the motherboard.  The motherboard model is H170-pro.  Meaning I have no 
> internet, wifi, or networking capability under ubuntu.
> 
> I can run ubuntu 14 in a vm window but; it is even slower than Windoze 
> 10 pro 64-bit.  And Windoze 10 is painfully slow now. GnuCash takes 
> forever to load with all the additional junk micro$oft has added.  Under 
> the VM, go to town and eat dinner before GnuCash loads.
> 
> Does anyone have a suggestion on what flavor of Unix I should use on 
> this computer? Wifi, networking and GnuCash are mandatory 
> requirements for me to switch.
> 
> --JEffrey Black M.B.A.
> 
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Re: Finally ready to move from Windoze to Unix, suggestions of flavor of Unix to use

[Tracey C]

I'd also recommend Linux Mint. In my experience, it's easy to setup and
use, even for someone who is used to Windows and new to Linux. The Mint
and Ubuntu support communities are very helpful (Mint is based on Ubuntu
so a lot of articles about Ubuntu can also apply). I ran it for years on
my work and personal laptops because I was looking for a stable
distribution. Gnucash runs well on Mint.

The Mint maintainers also are very keen on keeping the user experience
hassle free. Their changes always have the user experience in mind (as
opposed to other goals like making changes to chase the new shiny).


On 03/15/2018 09:08 AM, Les wrote:
> Second that, I have it running of 2 of my laptops (one for testing
> purposes).
>
> One thing (among many) is it is continuously being improved, every few
> months a newer version is released.
>
> Les
>
>
> On 03/15/2018 08:55 AM, Alan Whiteman wrote:
>> My vote goes to Linux Mint. Superb distro.
>>

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Re: Finally ready to move from Windoze to Unix, suggestions of flavor of Unix to use

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Another vote for Linux Mint, current running 18.3 on 3 different computers.



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Re: Finally ready to move from Windoze to Unix, suggestions of flavor of Unix to use

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

> One of Mint's "improvements" over Ubuntu is additional drivers, partitularly
> closed source ones. Ubuntu (and Debian), like Red Hat Enterprise linux is
> fairly "strict" with reguard to being a totally open source distribution. Mint
> is "looser" in that reguard.

I see something off here, since Trisquel 7, 6 and Parabola are
free/libre distros --- not simply "open source" --- but some versions of
the Ethernet chipset/card/controller mentioned does seem to work.
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Re: Finally ready to move from Windoze to Unix, suggestions of flavor of Unix to use

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At Thu, 15 Mar 2018 15:31:15 + Colin Law  wrote:

> 
> On 15 March 2018 at 13:55, Alan Whiteman  wrote:
> 
> > My vote goes to Linux Mint. Superb distro.
> 
> 
> I believe that Mint is based on Ubuntu, so if ethernet is an issue with
> Ubuntu I imagine the same will be true of Mint.  In fact if you can get any
> Linux version to work with your card then Ubuntu should work with the same
> drivers.

One of Mint's "improvements" over Ubuntu is additional drivers, partitularly
closed source ones. Ubuntu (and Debian), like Red Hat Enterprise linux is
fairly "strict" with reguard to being a totally open source distribution. Mint
is "looser" in that reguard.

> 
> Colin
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > On 03/15/2018 06:21 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:
> >
> >> On 15 March 2018 at 07:43, Amish  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello
> >>>
> >>> Try Arch Linux if you are willing to put initial efforts in learning and
> >>> a
> >>> bit of tweaking here and there.
> >>>
> >>> It is not an ideal distribution for a newbie to Linux. It is very much
> >> aimed at more advanced users.
> >>
> >>
> >> Amish
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Re: Finally ready to move from Windoze to Unix, suggestions of flavor of Unix to use

[Colin Law]

On 15 March 2018 at 13:55, Alan Whiteman  wrote:

> My vote goes to Linux Mint. Superb distro.


I believe that Mint is based on Ubuntu, so if ethernet is an issue with
Ubuntu I imagine the same will be true of Mint.  In fact if you can get any
Linux version to work with your card then Ubuntu should work with the same
drivers.

Colin


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>
> On 03/15/2018 06:21 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:
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>> On 15 March 2018 at 07:43, Amish  wrote:
>>
>> Hello
>>>
>>> Try Arch Linux if you are willing to put initial efforts in learning and
>>> a
>>> bit of tweaking here and there.
>>>
>>> It is not an ideal distribution for a newbie to Linux. It is very much
>> aimed at more advanced users.
>>
>>
>> Amish
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Re: Finally ready to move from Windoze to Unix, suggestions of flavor of Unix to use

[Michael via gnucash-user]

Jeffery, I have used Linux Mint and Manjaro with good success. Am 
currently using Mint because I got tired of the large, frequent updates 
associated with Manjaro, a derivative of Arch Linux.  I agree you should 
try a few live-CDs to see if the distro recognizes your hardware.  
GNUCash availability of current versions is a little spotty because of 
some of the old packages that the 2.6 series requires.  Manjaro/Arch 
Linux/Archlabs provide latest GNUCash versions through what they call 
AUR.  Recent GNUCash versions for Mint are through get-deb.  Generally, 
I think GNUCash runs better on the Linux platforms I've tried vs 
Windows. Mike



On 03/14/2018 11:17 PM, jeffrey black wrote:

I realize this is the wrong forum to ask but; I am finally looking to
ditch Windoze 10 completely.

I am at my wits end trying to get ubuntu to work with my system. I have
tried every post I can find on activating the ethernet and wifi, none of
which work.

I have an iBUYPOWER intel core I5 computer with the Realtek
RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit ethernet controller, and usb:o
realtek generic usb device 802.11ac wlan adapter (usb 2), all built into
the motherboard.  The motherboard model is H170-pro.  Meaning I have no
internet, wifi, or networking capability under ubuntu.

I can run ubuntu 14 in a vm window but; it is even slower than Windoze
10 pro 64-bit.  And Windoze 10 is painfully slow now. GnuCash takes
forever to load with all the additional junk micro$oft has added.  Under
the VM, go to town and eat dinner before GnuCash loads.

Does anyone have a suggestion on what flavor of Unix I should use on
this computer?     Wifi, networking and GnuCash are mandatory
requirements for me to switch.

--JEffrey Black M.B.A.


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Re: Finally ready to move from Windoze to Unix, suggestions of flavor of Unix to use

[Les]

Second that, I have it running of 2 of my laptops (one for testing 
purposes).


One thing (among many) is it is continuously being improved, every few 
months a newer version is released.


Les


On 03/15/2018 08:55 AM, Alan Whiteman wrote:

My vote goes to Linux Mint. Superb distro.

On 03/15/2018 06:21 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:

On 15 March 2018 at 07:43, Amish  wrote:


Hello

Try Arch Linux if you are willing to put initial efforts in learning 
and a

bit of tweaking here and there.


It is not an ideal distribution for a newbie to Linux. It is very much
aimed at more advanced users.



Amish


Dave
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Re: Finally ready to move from Windoze to Unix, suggestions of flavor of Unix to use

[Alan Whiteman]

My vote goes to Linux Mint. Superb distro.

On 03/15/2018 06:21 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote:

On 15 March 2018 at 07:43, Amish  wrote:


Hello

Try Arch Linux if you are willing to put initial efforts in learning and a
bit of tweaking here and there.


It is not an ideal distribution for a newbie to Linux. It is very much
aimed at more advanced users.



Amish


Dave
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Re: Finally ready to move from Windoze to Unix, suggestions of flavor of Unix to use

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

> I have an iBUYPOWER intel core I5 computer with the Realtek 
> RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit ethernet controller, and usb:o 

According to h-node ([1][2]), at least in Trisquel 7, 6, and also in
Parabola, some of the revisions of that Ethernet controller work fine
([3]), but you have to pay attention to the *revision* ("rev" part).

> RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit ethernet controller, and usb:o 
> realtek generic usb device 802.11ac wlan adapter (usb 2), all built into 
> the motherboard.  The motherboard model is H170-pro.  Meaning I have no 

It seems that we have to try getting the wifi chipset/card/controller
information yet again, because it seems that the vendor/provider
informed you the device's "generic" name ([4]).

So, let's be more sustainability-friendly and consious consumers and
resist this temptation to use non-sustainable non-free software. :D
Follow the guide in [5] to get more information about the wifi
chipset/card/controller, and optionally other information about the rest
of the hardware.

> Does anyone have a suggestion on what flavor of Unix I should use on 
> this computer?     Wifi, networking and GnuCash are mandatory 
> requirements for me to switch.

I don't know if it's "Unix" or not --- since Unix is really old now ---,
but I highly recommend free/libre GNU+Linux system distributions such as
Trisquel, Parabola, GuixSD, and the list of recommendations goes
on... check [6][7] --- preferably the original English versions of these
pages --- for the full list. All of these distros are actively
maintained and have very helpful community.

In the next hardware/computer/cellphone/tablet/electronic you purchase,
it would be helpful to, instead of surrendering your precious money
immediatelly to the most common wrongdoers/manufacturers/providers,
contribute to a better free/libre software based world by buying a
equivalent product that is certified with Respects Your Freedom ([8]). In
this same reference, there are USB wifi dongles that you can use to
connect to wifi in case the default wifi chipset/card/controller doesn't
work.


[1] .

[2] h-node is a good resource, but must be a second choice since it is
only a workaround for the underlying problem, and I would recommend it
only to be used with used/old hardware, and only if there is absolutely
no way to raise funds to buy one device listed in [8]. Also, the absense
of a device in h-node simply means that no one registered a test there,
this doesn't mean that it doesn't work.

[3]
.

[4] These "generic" names are mostly to tell about capabilities, but
hide the possible trouble of having to install non-free software, it's a
way that these pesky providers found to lure people into not thinking on
the software freedom of those computer programs that people are using,
which is bad, because once people are lured into buying this stuff, they
tend to just accept the next step of installing crap because "we already
bought it, and are already here anyway".

[5] .

[6] .

[7] .

[8] 
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- Arquivos comuns aceitos (apenas sem DRM): Corel Draw, Microsoft
  Office, MP3, MP4, WMA, WMV.
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  GIMP, Inkscape SVG, JPG, LibreOffice (padrão ODF), OGG, OPUS, PDF
  (apenas sem DRM), PNG, TXT, WEBM.
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Re: Finally ready to move from Windoze to Unix, suggestions of flavor of Unix to use

[Dr. David Kirkby]

On 15 March 2018 at 07:43, Amish  wrote:

> Hello
>
> Try Arch Linux if you are willing to put initial efforts in learning and a
> bit of tweaking here and there.
>

It is not an ideal distribution for a newbie to Linux. It is very much
aimed at more advanced users.


> Amish
>

Dave
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Re: Finally ready to move from Windoze to Unix, suggestions of flavor of Unix to use

[Amish]

Hello

Try Arch Linux if you are willing to put initial efforts in learning and 
a bit of tweaking here and there.


It has r8168 drivers too. (as a separate package which you can install 
easily)


Plus rolling release model which means you will always have up-to-date 
system. Once you get hold of it, its very easy to maintain.


Arch used to support Gnucash but due to webkit related security issues 
it stopped releasing Gnucash officially.


However there is archlinuxcn repository which is well maintained so its 
very easy to install Gnucash from there.


Arch also has DVD / USB live media with which you can test if your 
internet is working with it.


Regards,

Amish


On Thursday 15 March 2018 11:47 AM, jeffrey black wrote:

I realize this is the wrong forum to ask but; I am finally looking to
ditch Windoze 10 completely.

...
Does anyone have a suggestion on what flavor of Unix I should use on
this computer?     Wifi, networking and GnuCash are mandatory
requirements for me to switch.

--JEffrey Black M.B.A.

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Re: Finally ready to move from Windoze to Unix, suggestions of flavor of Unix to use

[Edward Doolittle]

It looks like the driver for the RealTek controller is proprietary, so
you'll have to go through some extra steps to get it working.  For
starters, check out this:
https://unixblogger.com/2016/08/11/how-to-get-your-realtek-rtl8111rtl8168-working-updated-guide/
and the top answer to this:
https://askubuntu.com/questions/933055/ubuntu-16-04-realtek-rtl8111-8168-8411-ethernet-driver-is-not-maintaining-a-pers

A Google search turns up lots of other stuff. You'll have to sift through
it, try a few things, and use your judgment about what to keep.

In the meantime you can get a cheap ethernet card with non-proprietary
driver software to get your networking working.

On 15 March 2018 at 00:17, jeffrey black  wrote:

> I realize this is the wrong forum to ask but; I am finally looking to
> ditch Windoze 10 completely.
>
> I am at my wits end trying to get ubuntu to work with my system. I have
> tried every post I can find on activating the ethernet and wifi, none of
> which work.
>
> I have an iBUYPOWER intel core I5 computer with the Realtek
> RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit ethernet controller, and usb:o
> realtek generic usb device 802.11ac wlan adapter (usb 2), all built into
> the motherboard.  The motherboard model is H170-pro.  Meaning I have no
> internet, wifi, or networking capability under ubuntu.
>
> I can run ubuntu 14 in a vm window but; it is even slower than Windoze
> 10 pro 64-bit.  And Windoze 10 is painfully slow now. GnuCash takes
> forever to load with all the additional junk micro$oft has added.  Under
> the VM, go to town and eat dinner before GnuCash loads.
>
> Does anyone have a suggestion on what flavor of Unix I should use on
> this computer? Wifi, networking and GnuCash are mandatory
> requirements for me to switch.
>
> --JEffrey Black M.B.A.
>
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Finally ready to move from Windoze to Unix, suggestions of flavor of Unix to use

[jeffrey black]

I realize this is the wrong forum to ask but; I am finally looking to 
ditch Windoze 10 completely.

I am at my wits end trying to get ubuntu to work with my system. I have 
tried every post I can find on activating the ethernet and wifi, none of 
which work.

I have an iBUYPOWER intel core I5 computer with the Realtek 
RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit ethernet controller, and usb:o 
realtek generic usb device 802.11ac wlan adapter (usb 2), all built into 
the motherboard.  The motherboard model is H170-pro.  Meaning I have no 
internet, wifi, or networking capability under ubuntu.

I can run ubuntu 14 in a vm window but; it is even slower than Windoze 
10 pro 64-bit.  And Windoze 10 is painfully slow now. GnuCash takes 
forever to load with all the additional junk micro$oft has added.  Under 
the VM, go to town and eat dinner before GnuCash loads.

Does anyone have a suggestion on what flavor of Unix I should use on 
this computer?     Wifi, networking and GnuCash are mandatory 
requirements for me to switch.

--JEffrey Black M.B.A.


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