Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Saša Janiška]

Dave H  writes:

Hello Dave,

> There is one at Nabble - http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/ ?

Thanks for the info, although my comment was just a joke...usually
discussion of people not happy with the mailing lists turns into
suggestion to create web forum as panacea for all the problems. :-D

But, we won't feed this thread any more. ;)


Sincerely,
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Dave H]

Gour,

There is one at Nabble - http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/ ?

Cheers Dave H.

On 13 April 2018 at 01:57, Saša Janiška  wrote:

> George Riner  writes:
>
> > I also am subscribed to about 20 email lists and Gnucash was the only
> > one that did *not* have bracketed tag in the subject line.
>
> I still haven't seen list of mailing clients which are *not* capable to
> perform filtering by List-Id and if it is really such a problem, maybe
> the solution is to turn mailing lists into web forum?
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Gour
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Saša Janiška]

George Riner  writes:

> I also am subscribed to about 20 email lists and Gnucash was the only
> one that did *not* have bracketed tag in the subject line.

I still haven't seen list of mailing clients which are *not* capable to
perform filtering by List-Id and if it is really such a problem, maybe
the solution is to turn mailing lists into web forum?


Sincerely,
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

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On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 07:14:36AM -0700, George Riner wrote:
> I also am subscribed to about 20 email lists and Gnucash was the only one 
> that did *not* have bracketed tag in the subject line.

+1

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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[George Riner]

I also am subscribed to about 20 email lists and Gnucash was the only one that 
did *not* have bracketed tag in the subject line.

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On April 12, 2018 1:34:08 AM PDT, "Saša Janiška"  wrote:
>William Bixby  writes:
>
>> I'm surprised at the objections, as my experience is that mail lists
>> adding the list ID in the subject is the 'norm' and very common.  The
>> few, like gnucash was, that don't are the outlier.
>
>I follow about 20 mailing lists and gnucash-users is the only one
>having
>prefix.
>
>For those which do not want or can't use Gmane, they ca filter either
>locally or at the server level by using List-ID, so I simply do not see
>the reason for this poor-man's filtering...
>
>
>Sincerely,
>Gour
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Saša Janiška]

William Bixby  writes:

> I'm surprised at the objections, as my experience is that mail lists
> adding the list ID in the subject is the 'norm' and very common.  The
> few, like gnucash was, that don't are the outlier.

I follow about 20 mailing lists and gnucash-users is the only one having
prefix.

For those which do not want or can't use Gmane, they ca filter either
locally or at the server level by using List-ID, so I simply do not see
the reason for this poor-man's filtering...


Sincerely,
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[listreader]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 10:17:59 -0500
Adrien Monteleone  wrote:

> My questions were rhetorical as I noted in a later reply to him. I
> knew what his mail client was and what its abilities are. (I could
> see it in the header) My point was that if he wants to ‘filter’ his
> mail, he has the tools to do so and they are not difficult to use. In
> fact, in his reply, he noted that he does physically filter mail into
> some 80 folders with about 154 different filtering rules. He just
> doesn’t *feel* like doing it with the list.

'He' is obviously me, and you are misrepresenting my words. Neither
truthful nor nice, Adrien.

I do indeed filter this list.  It is filtered into the same folder I
filter all my other mailing lists into, heck I even have a dedicated
email address just for mailing lists, it just doesn't get its own
folder as I prefer it that way.  This is a preference not laziness.  I
also prefer to buy my meat at a market rather than hunt my own dinner,
even though I could easily do the latter: I have 'the tools to do so
and they are not difficult to use' in your words.  Would you have a
problem with that preference, also?

The prefix addition was a GOOD change.  Leave it alone.

Ralph



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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Les]

Adrien:

You have hit the nail on the head!

Given all the time given to this thread, I think it is high time to end 
it.  It has been a hugh distraction from what this list is all about.


Just my $.02 worth.

Les


On 04/11/2018 10:17 AM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

I think this thread also illustrates that how people hit ‘reply/reply-all’ and 
to which message can break threads. So far I think it has at least 5 parts. I’d 
have to look at the archive page to be sure. Now we’re at a point where people 
are replying to broken off or stalled sections of the thread.

My questions were rhetorical as I noted in a later reply to him. I knew what 
his mail client was and what its abilities are. (I could see it in the header) 
My point was that if he wants to ‘filter’ his mail, he has the tools to do so 
and they are not difficult to use. In fact, in his reply, he noted that he does 
physically filter mail into some 80 folders with about 154 different filtering 
rules. He just doesn’t *feel* like doing it with the list.

Another user seemed to imply that his mail client could not do filtering. I 
found excerpts (and provided links) to the manual which described specifically 
how to manage mailing-list mail. Perhaps he wasn’t aware of this feature. I 
haven’t heard back.

Seriously? Everyone has to have this tag added because *some* people either 
don’t know how or don’t *want* to use the features of their own e-mail client?

Could you imagine what GnuCash would look like if the devs treated the app the 
same way? If they added (or removed) features, or re-arranged the UI simply 
because some people don’t *feel* like using it the way it was designed and 
intended to be used?




On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:44 AM, johnny  wrote:

hi


On 04/10/2018 17:17, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

What is your e-mail client? Can it not filter mail? Can it not tag mail? Can it 
not handle mailing-lists?

isn't that up to each of us to decide what client to use? and how to manage our 
own email flows? shouldn't it be irrelevant to this discussion?

or maybe this is "tech shaming" in some way to cloud the issue?

(also revealing about humans that this issue generates the most traffic 
[although 3.0 upgrade was a big one too])
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adrien Monteleone]

I think this thread also illustrates that how people hit ‘reply/reply-all’ and 
to which message can break threads. So far I think it has at least 5 parts. I’d 
have to look at the archive page to be sure. Now we’re at a point where people 
are replying to broken off or stalled sections of the thread.

My questions were rhetorical as I noted in a later reply to him. I knew what 
his mail client was and what its abilities are. (I could see it in the header) 
My point was that if he wants to ‘filter’ his mail, he has the tools to do so 
and they are not difficult to use. In fact, in his reply, he noted that he does 
physically filter mail into some 80 folders with about 154 different filtering 
rules. He just doesn’t *feel* like doing it with the list.

Another user seemed to imply that his mail client could not do filtering. I 
found excerpts (and provided links) to the manual which described specifically 
how to manage mailing-list mail. Perhaps he wasn’t aware of this feature. I 
haven’t heard back.

Seriously? Everyone has to have this tag added because *some* people either 
don’t know how or don’t *want* to use the features of their own e-mail client?

Could you imagine what GnuCash would look like if the devs treated the app the 
same way? If they added (or removed) features, or re-arranged the UI simply 
because some people don’t *feel* like using it the way it was designed and 
intended to be used?



> On Apr 11, 2018, at 8:44 AM, johnny  wrote:
> 
> hi
> 
> 
> On 04/10/2018 17:17, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>> What is your e-mail client? Can it not filter mail? Can it not tag mail? Can 
>> it not handle mailing-lists?
> isn't that up to each of us to decide what client to use? and how to manage 
> our own email flows? shouldn't it be irrelevant to this discussion?
> 
> or maybe this is "tech shaming" in some way to cloud the issue?
> 
> (also revealing about humans that this issue generates the most traffic 
> [although 3.0 upgrade was a big one too])
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[johnny]

hi


On 04/10/2018 17:17, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

What is your e-mail client? Can it not filter mail? Can it not tag mail? Can it 
not handle mailing-lists?
isn't that up to each of us to decide what client to use? and how to 
manage our own email flows? shouldn't it be irrelevant to this discussion?


or maybe this is "tech shaming" in some way to cloud the issue?

(also revealing about humans that this issue generates the most traffic 
[although 3.0 upgrade was a big one too])

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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[johnny]

hola

On 04/10/2018 16:20, listreader wrote:

The prefix is EXTREMELY useful to me. So add me to the 'approve' side
of your tally.

me too.

and really- what is all this bitching about? 5 extra chars at the front 
of an email subject ...


humans have a great ability to not see what is right in front of their 
faces. talk to some of your least favorite family members or 
acquaintances if you don't believe me. so just use those skills to 
ignore this filtering prefix that is widely used and appreciated and 
very helpful to many of the list readers.


thank you
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Raymond Smith]

I also prefer keeping the subject prefix.

Ray

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:17 PM, Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> Ralph,
>
> What is your e-mail client? Can it not filter mail? Can it not tag mail?
> Can it not handle mailing-lists?
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> > On Apr 10, 2018, at 3:20 PM, listreader  wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 22:00:33 +0500
> > "David T. via gnucash-user"  wrote:
> >
> >> I have tallied up the responses regarding subject prefixes thus far,
> >> and it appears that 7 people are in favor of this change.
> >>
> >> In contrast, 20 people (including three of the development team) have
> >> expressed negative opinions regarding this addition. [In the interest
> >> of objectivity, I am one of this group.]
> >>
> >> It is unclear to me why such a change would be implemented based on
> >> the opinions of two readers (the total number of positive replies
> >> prior to implementation), and then not reverted when nearly three
> >> times the number of readers expressed their objectons to it.
> >
> > Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means.  In my
> > experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes'
> > they don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the
> > same 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater.
> >
> > I subscribe to around 20 very busy mailing lists, all intentionally
> > sent to the same mailbox folder so as not to interfere with all my
> > other more urgent business and personal mailbox folders, and all but
> > GnuCash have always used a subject prefix. (including one which uses the
> > useless/annoying '[Users]' as its prefix but that is another story).
> > The prefix is EXTREMELY useful to me. So add me to the 'approve' side
> > of your tally.
> >
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adrien Monteleone]

I can see the X-mailer header. I’m aware of Claws Mail. The questions were 
rhetorical, sorry.

Interesting though that you have 154 filters shoveling mail into 80 folders 
(with 28 of them top level) yet you prefer to ‘filter’ gnucash-user without any 
of that...

You’re right, this is ridiculous.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 10, 2018, at 11:10 PM, listreader  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 16:17:55 -0500
> Adrien Monteleone  wrote:
> 
>> What is your e-mail client? Can it not filter mail? Can it not tag
>> mail? Can it not handle mailing-lists?
> 
> Hello Adrien...
> 
> Mail clients are usually identified in the email header (X-mailer,
> User-Agent, or etc) so I'm not sure why you are asking since mine is
> right there in front of you but whatever. You can see that mine is
> Claws Mail. And, yes, of course it can filter, tag, and/or handle
> mailing lists. It is, in fact, likely the most configurable gui mail
> client there is in any OS, though I myself hardly use it to it's maximum
> capabilities.
> 
> I'm an old timer, left over from arpanet days, so I 'live' in email
> probably far more than most people nowadays.  I use 3 mail servers: (1)
> my cable isp, (2) a 'free mail' provider whose name doesn't start with
> the letter 'g', and (3) my owned domain's mail server.
> 
> I 'filter' at the server level, I have completely separate email
> accounts for many of my contacts, a different address for each, and
> where volume is low to a particular contact, I use aliases, again at
> the server level.  This is supplemented at the client level with 154
> additional filters (yeah, I actually just counted them for this
> message), some of which have multiple if/or sub-filters, all ending up
> in 28 main folders with additional sub-folders below some of those, 80
> folders in total, not counting archive and spam folders.  I think
> that's enough, thanks, don't need more.  So I prefer to 'filter' the
> mailing list folder with just my eyes.
> 
> And this discussion is all now so ridiculously off-topic to this list's
> purpose that maybe we need a new subject prefix '[GNC-OT]' for 'off
> topic' discussions, so we can filter it out :-)
> 
> Ralph
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[listreader]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 07:11:43 +0500
D  wrote:

> I am fully aware of the limitations of self-selected surveys and
> their validity of gauging sentiment. I was not intending to submit my
> research to any peer reviewed journals. I *will* note that the
> replies to my own non-scientific survey continue to trend at about
> three to one against, which, while not necessarily statistically
> valid, nevertheless tends to indicate an overall negative view of the
> decision.
> 
> I am more concerned that these changes were implemented at the urging
> of (at the time) a grand total of TWO individual requests, all
> without any request for feedback from the rest of the readership. And
> now, when it has been raised as an issue, I'm not hearing any
> indication of a reversal.
> 
> So, if I suggest that the list prefix should use emojis instead
> (like, say, []), and someone (perversely) agrees with that, will
> that get implemented? It is distinctive, and one third shorter than
> "GNC", after all.
 
Hello David...

I personally find the Prefix VERY useful, as explained in another post,
but I could if I wished simply code a pre-processing of the incoming
gnucash-user emails to add a '[GNC]' to the subject if it wasn't there,
probably would take me a few seconds to do so, I just never thought to
do so before. Likewise, you could write a pre-process that removes the
'[GNC]' on your incoming emails if you so desired, assuming your email
client supports it. IMHO, this is NOT a real issue to get aggravated
about.

Anyway, in my 'just a user' opinion this also isn't really the way to
go about it.  A technical mailing list is not a democratic institution.
Take it up with the mailing list administrator directly, off list, and
leave the list for actual GnuCash discussions. Just my 2 and 3/4 cents
(inflation, you know...) 

Ralph
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

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On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 16:17:55 -0500
Adrien Monteleone  wrote:

> What is your e-mail client? Can it not filter mail? Can it not tag
> mail? Can it not handle mailing-lists?

Hello Adrien...

Mail clients are usually identified in the email header (X-mailer,
User-Agent, or etc) so I'm not sure why you are asking since mine is
right there in front of you but whatever. You can see that mine is
Claws Mail. And, yes, of course it can filter, tag, and/or handle
mailing lists. It is, in fact, likely the most configurable gui mail
client there is in any OS, though I myself hardly use it to it's maximum
capabilities.

I'm an old timer, left over from arpanet days, so I 'live' in email
probably far more than most people nowadays.  I use 3 mail servers: (1)
my cable isp, (2) a 'free mail' provider whose name doesn't start with
the letter 'g', and (3) my owned domain's mail server.

I 'filter' at the server level, I have completely separate email
accounts for many of my contacts, a different address for each, and
where volume is low to a particular contact, I use aliases, again at
the server level.  This is supplemented at the client level with 154
additional filters (yeah, I actually just counted them for this
message), some of which have multiple if/or sub-filters, all ending up
in 28 main folders with additional sub-folders below some of those, 80
folders in total, not counting archive and spam folders.  I think
that's enough, thanks, don't need more.  So I prefer to 'filter' the
mailing list folder with just my eyes.

And this discussion is all now so ridiculously off-topic to this list's
purpose that maybe we need a new subject prefix '[GNC-OT]' for 'off
topic' discussions, so we can filter it out :-)

Ralph
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adrien Monteleone]

To be fair, and as I noted in another reply, not often around these parts. But 
I have seen it on other lists. The most likely case would be devs from other 
projects (maybe GTK) getting involved in a discussion on the gnucash-devel list.

However, I see the dev list now has their own tag, which is quite odd since 
I’ve yet to see a developer chime in support of this. The ones I recognize so 
far are all not particularly keen on it.

I sure hope no one posts to both -dev and -user for the same message. What will 
we get when replies start flying from and to each?

Oh, I take that back, I just stopped to check that list, and it seems JohnR 
cross-posts release announcements to both. (And possibly -announce as well) 
Tick-tock...

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 10, 2018, at 5:50 PM, Rich Shepard  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> 
>> I can see how cross-posted messages would turn into tag soup if every list
>> followed this behavior.
> 
> Adrien,
> 
>  Without intending to take the thread onto a different track, how common
> are corss-posted messages? Where are they cross-posted? I've not seen any,
> on any mail list to which I'm subscribed.
> 
> Rich
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adrien Monteleone]

My copy of that message shows Dave copied you directly, you’re probably looking 
at that version which is why there are no associated list headers.

You don’t need three separate filters. I attached a screenshot of the rules I 
set way back earlier in the thread. (as have others)

the tl;dr is you just set three ‘any’ conditions, one each on To, CC, and From 
‘contains’ ‘gnucash-user’ then either tag or file away as desired. You could 
probably even manage something that pre-pends the [GNC] if you like.

It’s not difficult.

We’re all people using double entry accounting for crying out loud. If we can 
manage that, we can manage e-mail filtering and tagging.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 10, 2018, at 8:44 PM, William Bixby <wbi...@usa.net> wrote:
> 
> Interesting, in my emails from Gnucash I do not see any headers with tags
> mailing-list
> mailed-by
> 
> On most of them I see a tag
> List-id
> But that is not a field I can filter on from my ISP
> 
> In this message from Dave I see my email as the to: and
> Gnucash Users <gnucash-user@gnucash.org  as the CC: but there is no List-id
> 
> The only lists I see in my inbox today with a mailing-list tag are from 
> yahoo-groups.
> 
> So the filters Dave suggests would be incomplete, a CC is also needed.
> Maybe also a 'From' just to be sure?
> 
> The emails from the list seem to have a variety of header forms, perhaps 
> depending on the mailers used for the reply, or the reply-to or reply-list or 
> reply-all forms. Seems hard to keep track of all the possibilities.
> 
> Instead of requiring 2-3 or more filters for each list, the subject code 
> allows a single filter to do the job, consistently, never misses.
> 
> On 04/10/2018 08:43 PM, Dave H wrote:
>> The headers include :-
>>   to:Gnucash Users <gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
>> <mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>>
>> mailing list: gnucash-user@gnucash.org <mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>
>> mailed-by: gnucash.org <http://gnucash.org>
>> if those aren't sufficient to filter on what is :-)
>> Cheers Dave H.
>> On 11 April 2018 at 10:11, William Bixby <wbi...@usa.net 
>> <mailto:wbi...@usa.net>> wrote:
>>Adrien, my headers for your message show this email is from you, not
>>the list:
>>From:  Adrien Monteleone <adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net
>><mailto:adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net>>
>>Mime-Version:  1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\))
>>Date:  Tue, 10 Apr 2018 17:17:55 -0500
>>To:  Gnucash Users <gnucash-user@gnucash.org
>><mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>>
>>Subject:  Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
>>List-Id:  General Accounting Discussions ><http://gnucash-user.gnucash.org>>
>>On 04/10/2018 06:17 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>>The mail already *is* from the list.
>>This can get flubbed when people start using reply-all and
>>leaving the original senders in the mix. As this continues in
>>the thread, individual e-mail addresses start bouncing around
>>between To and CC and the list address usually gets relegated to
>>CC permanently. But it doesn’t matter because one can always set
>>their filters to include To, CC and From (if not also, or
>>instead, reply-to) and there should be no issue.
>>There is a case for reply-all, but it involves cross-posted
>>messages (to other lists) or one-off participants who aren’t
>>list members. This is pretty rare here. (Occasionally you’ll see
>>a message posted on both -dev and -user but not often and so
>>many are on both) I don’t think I’ve seen any cross-postings to
>>outside lists. On the off chance a non-member participates (with
>>moderator approval) it would likely be obvious and you could
>>include their personal address.
>>Regards,
>>Adrien
>>On Apr 10, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Dale Alspach
>><alspac...@gmail.com <mailto:alspac...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>Question for those who want the [GNC] prefix:
>>Would having the email from be from the list
>>(gnucash-user@gnucash.org <mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>)
>>instead of the user (original sender) serve as well?
>>This would also help with the "remember to reply to the
>>list" issue. Reply,
>>Reply-all, Reply-list would include the list address.
>>I believe the mailing list software would still put the
&g

Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adrien Monteleone]

I stand corrected. I could have sworn it was ‘from’ the list, but alas...

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 10, 2018, at 7:11 PM, William Bixby <wbi...@usa.net> wrote:
> 
> Adrien, my headers for your message show this email is from you, not the list:
> From:  Adrien Monteleone <adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net>
> Mime-Version:  1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\))
> Date:  Tue, 10 Apr 2018 17:17:55 -0500
> To:  Gnucash Users <gnucash-user@gnucash.org>
> Subject:  Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
> List-Id:  General Accounting Discussions 
> 
> 
> 
> On 04/10/2018 06:17 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>> The mail already *is* from the list.
>> This can get flubbed when people start using reply-all and leaving the 
>> original senders in the mix. As this continues in the thread, individual 
>> e-mail addresses start bouncing around between To and CC and the list 
>> address usually gets relegated to CC permanently. But it doesn’t matter 
>> because one can always set their filters to include To, CC and From (if not 
>> also, or instead, reply-to) and there should be no issue.
>> There is a case for reply-all, but it involves cross-posted messages (to 
>> other lists) or one-off participants who aren’t list members. This is pretty 
>> rare here. (Occasionally you’ll see a message posted on both -dev and -user 
>> but not often and so many are on both) I don’t think I’ve seen any 
>> cross-postings to outside lists. On the off chance a non-member participates 
>> (with moderator approval) it would likely be obvious and you could include 
>> their personal address.
>> Regards,
>> Adrien
>>> On Apr 10, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Dale Alspach <alspac...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Question for those who want the [GNC] prefix:
>>> Would having the email from be from the list (gnucash-user@gnucash.org)
>>> instead of the user (original sender) serve as well?
>>> 
>>> This would also help with the "remember to reply to the list" issue. Reply,
>>> Reply-all, Reply-list would include the list address.
>>> I believe the mailing list software would still put the original sender
>>> address in the headers so that an off-list reply would be possible.
>>> 
>>> Some view this type of address munging as being bad but I believe that in
>>> the case of gnucash-user this is the de facto preference of the maintainers
>>> and developers.
>>> 
>>> Dale
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Rich Shepard <rshep...@appl-ecosys.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, listreader wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In my
>>>>> experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes' they
>>>>> don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the same
>>>>> 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  Please add my vote to the neutral category. I subscribe to about a dozen
>>>> mail lists, most use a list-related prefix in brackets; a couple don't.
>>>> Because incoming messages are sorted into list-specific files the only time
>>>> the prepended tags matter is when multiple lists cover the same topic.
>>>> 
>>>>  GnuCash is the only bookkeeping application I use so a prepended tag
>>>> makes
>>>> no difference to me. But, for those who don't automatically sort incoming
>>>> messages it could well be helpful.
>>>> 
>>>>  If having it present does no harm there's no reason to remove it, in my
>>>> opinion. If you're reading e-mail on a phone, watch, or other small device
>>>> and cannot see the entire subject line you probably have the ability to
>>>> scroll horizontally as well as vertically.
>>>> 
>>>> Rich
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[William Bixby]

Oh yes, I was looking at the detailed headers from my webmail version.
only 4 tags displayed with details turned off, 43 header tags in detail.

But no mailing-list, closest is list-id.

Many of the tags are prefixed X- and appear to be tags added by the 
ISP's virus and spam processing or details of the message routing.


examples
X-Spam-Status
X-Spam-Checker-Version:
X-Virus-Status:
X-USANET-Received
X-USANET-Source
X-Mailman-Version:  2.1.21

Perhaps the ISP's Mailman translates the mailing-list tag to list-id.
(and 5 other list- tags)
If so, I wouldn't be surprised if other ISPs made comparable updates, so 
a general 'rule' to filter on mailing-list may not be as universal as 
suspected.


No one filter plan works for all ISPs and mail agents and webmails, etc.
Except for filtering by the subject line tag for the list.
Hence for the preponderance of lists using subject line tags.


On 04/10/2018 10:23 PM, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote:

2018-04-10T21:44:15-0400 William Bixby wrote:

Interesting, in my emails from Gnucash I do not see any headers with tags
mailing-list
mailed-by


Depends on email reader software (or webmail if you use it), although
good webmail also let's you inspect the message in raw form (which will
of course show all header fields).


On most of them I see a tag
List-id
But that is not a field I can filter on from my ISP

In this message from Dave I see my email as the to: and
Gnucash Users 

Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

2018-04-10T21:44:15-0400 William Bixby wrote:
> Interesting, in my emails from Gnucash I do not see any headers with tags
> mailing-list
> mailed-by

Depends on email reader software (or webmail if you use it), although
good webmail also let's you inspect the message in raw form (which will
of course show all header fields).

> On most of them I see a tag
> List-id
> But that is not a field I can filter on from my ISP
>
> In this message from Dave I see my email as the to: and
> Gnucash Users  So the filters Dave suggests would be incomplete, a CC is also needed.
> Maybe also a 'From' just to be sure?
>
> The emails from the list seem to have a variety of header forms,
> perhaps depending on the mailers used for the reply, or the reply-to
> or reply-list or reply-all forms. Seems hard to keep track of all the
> possibilities.
>
> Instead of requiring 2-3 or more filters for each list, the subject
> code allows a single filter to do the job, consistently, never misses.

Some filters allow you to match field names with a regular expression
standard/syntax --- /e.g./: "^\(To\|Cc\|List-id\)" if they have
separated space to match only the field *names*, or
"^\(To\|Cc\|List-id\):.*gnucash-user@gnucash\.org" if they don't, both
examples use GNU Emacs regular expressions but the email filter you use
might require other syntax --- or the filter might also allow you to
chain some condition checks --- /e.g./: ( To OR Cc OR List-id ) ==
"gnucash-user@gnucash.org".
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Dave H]

Yes please can we have emojis instead :-)

Your concerns are also mine, it was requested by one person who didn't seem
to be a regular reader/contributor and someone else that also looked to be
a non-contributor to the mailing list followed up with a wow this is a
great idea.  Despite a few people at the time saying they didn't want it,
Liz chose to implement it and we haven't heard a dicky bird from her
since.  I would have much preferred some sort of survey of the list to
gauge support for the proposal before arbitrarily forcing it on everyone.

Might as well go off to Nabble and read all about it :-)

Cheers Dave H.


On 11 April 2018 at 12:11, D via gnucash-user 
wrote:

> Ralph,
>
> I am fully aware of the limitations of self-selected surveys and their
> validity of gauging sentiment. I was not intending to submit my research to
> any peer reviewed journals.
>
> I *will* note that the replies to my own non-scientific survey continue to
> trend at about three to one against, which, while not necessarily
> statistically valid, nevertheless tends to indicate an overall negative
> view of the decision.
>
> I am more concerned that these changes were implemented at the urging of
> (at the time) a grand total of TWO individual requests, all without any
> request for feedback from the rest of the readership. And now, when it has
> been raised as an issue, I'm not hearing any indication of a reversal.
>
> So, if I suggest that the list prefix should use emojis instead (like,
> say, []), and someone (perversely) agrees with that, will that get
> implemented? It is distinctive, and one third shorter than "GNC", after all.
>
> David T.
>
>
>
> On April 11, 2018, at 1:20 AM, listreader  wrote:
>
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 22:00:33 +0500
> "David T. via gnucash-user"  wrote:
>
> > I have tallied up the responses regarding subject prefixes thus far,
> > and it appears that 7 people are in favor of this change.
> >
> > In contrast, 20 people (including three of the development team) have
> > expressed negative opinions regarding this addition. [In the interest
> > of objectivity, I am one of this group.]
> >
> > It is unclear to me why such a change would be implemented based on
> > the opinions of two readers (the total number of positive replies
> > prior to implementation), and then not reverted when nearly three
> > times the number of readers expressed their objectons to it.
>
> Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means.  In my
> experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes'
> they don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the
> same 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater.
>
> I subscribe to around 20 very busy mailing lists, all intentionally
> sent to the same mailbox folder so as not to interfere with all my
> other more urgent business and personal mailbox folders, and all but
> GnuCash have always used a subject prefix. (including one which uses the
> useless/annoying '[Users]' as its prefix but that is another story).
> The prefix is EXTREMELY useful to me. So add me to the 'approve' side
> of your tally.
>
> Ralph
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[D via gnucash-user]

Ralph,

I am fully aware of the limitations of self-selected surveys and their validity 
of gauging sentiment. I was not intending to submit my research to any peer 
reviewed journals.
 
I *will* note that the replies to my own non-scientific survey continue to 
trend at about three to one against, which, while not necessarily statistically 
valid, nevertheless tends to indicate an overall negative view of the decision.

I am more concerned that these changes were implemented at the urging of (at 
the time) a grand total of TWO individual requests, all without any request for 
feedback from the rest of the readership. And now, when it has been raised as 
an issue, I'm not hearing any indication of a reversal.

So, if I suggest that the list prefix should use emojis instead (like, say, 
[]), and someone (perversely) agrees with that, will that get implemented? It 
is distinctive, and one third shorter than "GNC", after all.

David T.



On April 11, 2018, at 1:20 AM, listreader  wrote:

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 22:00:33 +0500
"David T. via gnucash-user"  wrote:

> I have tallied up the responses regarding subject prefixes thus far,
> and it appears that 7 people are in favor of this change.
> 
> In contrast, 20 people (including three of the development team) have
> expressed negative opinions regarding this addition. [In the interest
> of objectivity, I am one of this group.]
> 
> It is unclear to me why such a change would be implemented based on
> the opinions of two readers (the total number of positive replies
> prior to implementation), and then not reverted when nearly three
> times the number of readers expressed their objectons to it.

Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means.  In my
experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes'
they don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the
same 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater.

I subscribe to around 20 very busy mailing lists, all intentionally
sent to the same mailbox folder so as not to interfere with all my
other more urgent business and personal mailbox folders, and all but
GnuCash have always used a subject prefix. (including one which uses the
useless/annoying '[Users]' as its prefix but that is another story).
The prefix is EXTREMELY useful to me. So add me to the 'approve' side
of your tally.

Ralph
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[William Bixby]

Interesting, in my emails from Gnucash I do not see any headers with tags
mailing-list
mailed-by

On most of them I see a tag
List-id
But that is not a field I can filter on from my ISP

In this message from Dave I see my email as the to: and
Gnucash Users <gnucash-user@gnucash.org  as the CC: but there is no List-id

The only lists I see in my inbox today with a mailing-list tag are from 
yahoo-groups.


So the filters Dave suggests would be incomplete, a CC is also needed.
Maybe also a 'From' just to be sure?

The emails from the list seem to have a variety of header forms, perhaps 
depending on the mailers used for the reply, or the reply-to or 
reply-list or reply-all forms. Seems hard to keep track of all the 
possibilities.


Instead of requiring 2-3 or more filters for each list, the subject code 
allows a single filter to do the job, consistently, never misses.


On 04/10/2018 08:43 PM, Dave H wrote:

The headers include :-

               to:    Gnucash Users <gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
<mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>>

mailing list: gnucash-user@gnucash.org <mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>
mailed-by: gnucash.org <http://gnucash.org>

if those aren't sufficient to filter on what is :-)

Cheers Dave H.





On 11 April 2018 at 10:11, William Bixby <wbi...@usa.net 
<mailto:wbi...@usa.net>> wrote:


Adrien, my headers for your message show this email is from you, not
the list:
From:  Adrien Monteleone <adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net
<mailto:adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net>>
Mime-Version:  1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\))
Date:  Tue, 10 Apr 2018 17:17:55 -0500
To:  Gnucash Users <gnucash-user@gnucash.org
    <mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>>
Subject:  Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
List-Id:  General Accounting Discussions http://gnucash-user.gnucash.org>>




On 04/10/2018 06:17 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

The mail already *is* from the list.

This can get flubbed when people start using reply-all and
leaving the original senders in the mix. As this continues in
the thread, individual e-mail addresses start bouncing around
between To and CC and the list address usually gets relegated to
CC permanently. But it doesn’t matter because one can always set
their filters to include To, CC and From (if not also, or
instead, reply-to) and there should be no issue.

There is a case for reply-all, but it involves cross-posted
messages (to other lists) or one-off participants who aren’t
list members. This is pretty rare here. (Occasionally you’ll see
a message posted on both -dev and -user but not often and so
many are on both) I don’t think I’ve seen any cross-postings to
outside lists. On the off chance a non-member participates (with
moderator approval) it would likely be obvious and you could
include their personal address.

Regards,
Adrien

On Apr 10, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Dale Alspach
<alspac...@gmail.com <mailto:alspac...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Question for those who want the [GNC] prefix:
Would having the email from be from the list
(gnucash-user@gnucash.org <mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>)
instead of the user (original sender) serve as well?

This would also help with the "remember to reply to the
list" issue. Reply,
Reply-all, Reply-list would include the list address.
I believe the mailing list software would still put the
original sender
address in the headers so that an off-list reply would be
possible.

Some view this type of address munging as being bad but I
believe that in
the case of gnucash-user this is the de facto preference of
the maintainers
and developers.

Dale


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Rich Shepard
<rshep...@appl-ecosys.com <mailto:rshep...@appl-ecosys.com>>
wrote:

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, listreader wrote:

Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it
means. In my

experience, far more people are likely to complain
about 'changes' they
don't like than are people who approve or are
neutral about the same
'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater.


   Please add my vote to the neutral category. I
subscribe to about a dozen
mail lists, most use a list-related prefix in brackets;
a couple don't.
Because incoming messages are sorted into list-specific
files 

Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Dave H]

The headers include :-

  to:Gnucash Users <gnucash-user@gnucash.org>
mailing list:gnucash-user@gnucash.org
mailed-by:gnucash.org

if those aren't sufficient to filter on what is :-)

Cheers Dave H.





On 11 April 2018 at 10:11, William Bixby <wbi...@usa.net> wrote:

> Adrien, my headers for your message show this email is from you, not the
> list:
> From:  Adrien Monteleone <adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net>
> Mime-Version:  1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\))
> Date:  Tue, 10 Apr 2018 17:17:55 -0500
> To:  Gnucash Users <gnucash-user@gnucash.org>
> Subject:  Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
> List-Id:  General Accounting Discussions 
>
>
>
>
> On 04/10/2018 06:17 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>
>> The mail already *is* from the list.
>>
>> This can get flubbed when people start using reply-all and leaving the
>> original senders in the mix. As this continues in the thread, individual
>> e-mail addresses start bouncing around between To and CC and the list
>> address usually gets relegated to CC permanently. But it doesn’t matter
>> because one can always set their filters to include To, CC and From (if not
>> also, or instead, reply-to) and there should be no issue.
>>
>> There is a case for reply-all, but it involves cross-posted messages (to
>> other lists) or one-off participants who aren’t list members. This is
>> pretty rare here. (Occasionally you’ll see a message posted on both -dev
>> and -user but not often and so many are on both) I don’t think I’ve seen
>> any cross-postings to outside lists. On the off chance a non-member
>> participates (with moderator approval) it would likely be obvious and you
>> could include their personal address.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Adrien
>>
>> On Apr 10, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Dale Alspach <alspac...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Question for those who want the [GNC] prefix:
>>> Would having the email from be from the list (gnucash-user@gnucash.org)
>>> instead of the user (original sender) serve as well?
>>>
>>> This would also help with the "remember to reply to the list" issue.
>>> Reply,
>>> Reply-all, Reply-list would include the list address.
>>> I believe the mailing list software would still put the original sender
>>> address in the headers so that an off-list reply would be possible.
>>>
>>> Some view this type of address munging as being bad but I believe that in
>>> the case of gnucash-user this is the de facto preference of the
>>> maintainers
>>> and developers.
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Rich Shepard <rshep...@appl-ecosys.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, listreader wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In my
>>>>
>>>>> experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes' they
>>>>> don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the same
>>>>> 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>   Please add my vote to the neutral category. I subscribe to about a
>>>> dozen
>>>> mail lists, most use a list-related prefix in brackets; a couple don't.
>>>> Because incoming messages are sorted into list-specific files the only
>>>> time
>>>> the prepended tags matter is when multiple lists cover the same topic.
>>>>
>>>>   GnuCash is the only bookkeeping application I use so a prepended tag
>>>> makes
>>>> no difference to me. But, for those who don't automatically sort
>>>> incoming
>>>> messages it could well be helpful.
>>>>
>>>>   If having it present does no harm there's no reason to remove it, in
>>>> my
>>>> opinion. If you're reading e-mail on a phone, watch, or other small
>>>> device
>>>> and cannot see the entire subject line you probably have the ability to
>>>> scroll horizontally as well as vertically.
>>>>
>>>> Rich
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[William Bixby]

Adrien, my headers for your message show this email is from you, not the 
list:

From:  Adrien Monteleone <adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net>
Mime-Version:  1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\))
Date:  Tue, 10 Apr 2018 17:17:55 -0500
To:  Gnucash Users <gnucash-user@gnucash.org>
Subject:  Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
List-Id:  General Accounting Discussions 



On 04/10/2018 06:17 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

The mail already *is* from the list.

This can get flubbed when people start using reply-all and leaving the original 
senders in the mix. As this continues in the thread, individual e-mail 
addresses start bouncing around between To and CC and the list address usually 
gets relegated to CC permanently. But it doesn’t matter because one can always 
set their filters to include To, CC and From (if not also, or instead, 
reply-to) and there should be no issue.

There is a case for reply-all, but it involves cross-posted messages (to other 
lists) or one-off participants who aren’t list members. This is pretty rare 
here. (Occasionally you’ll see a message posted on both -dev and -user but not 
often and so many are on both) I don’t think I’ve seen any cross-postings to 
outside lists. On the off chance a non-member participates (with moderator 
approval) it would likely be obvious and you could include their personal 
address.

Regards,
Adrien


On Apr 10, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Dale Alspach <alspac...@gmail.com> wrote:

Question for those who want the [GNC] prefix:
Would having the email from be from the list (gnucash-user@gnucash.org)
instead of the user (original sender) serve as well?

This would also help with the "remember to reply to the list" issue. Reply,
Reply-all, Reply-list would include the list address.
I believe the mailing list software would still put the original sender
address in the headers so that an off-list reply would be possible.

Some view this type of address munging as being bad but I believe that in
the case of gnucash-user this is the de facto preference of the maintainers
and developers.

Dale


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Rich Shepard <rshep...@appl-ecosys.com>
wrote:


On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, listreader wrote:

Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In my

experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes' they
don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the same
'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater.



  Please add my vote to the neutral category. I subscribe to about a dozen
mail lists, most use a list-related prefix in brackets; a couple don't.
Because incoming messages are sorted into list-specific files the only time
the prepended tags matter is when multiple lists cover the same topic.

  GnuCash is the only bookkeeping application I use so a prepended tag
makes
no difference to me. But, for those who don't automatically sort incoming
messages it could well be helpful.

  If having it present does no harm there's no reason to remove it, in my
opinion. If you're reading e-mail on a phone, watch, or other small device
and cannot see the entire subject line you probably have the ability to
scroll horizontally as well as vertically.

Rich

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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Rich Shepard]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, Adrien Monteleone wrote:


I can see how cross-posted messages would turn into tag soup if every list
followed this behavior.


Adrien,

  Without intending to take the thread onto a different track, how common
are corss-posted messages? Where are they cross-posted? I've not seen any,
on any mail list to which I'm subscribed.

Rich
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adrien Monteleone]

The mail already *is* from the list.

This can get flubbed when people start using reply-all and leaving the original 
senders in the mix. As this continues in the thread, individual e-mail 
addresses start bouncing around between To and CC and the list address usually 
gets relegated to CC permanently. But it doesn’t matter because one can always 
set their filters to include To, CC and From (if not also, or instead, 
reply-to) and there should be no issue.

There is a case for reply-all, but it involves cross-posted messages (to other 
lists) or one-off participants who aren’t list members. This is pretty rare 
here. (Occasionally you’ll see a message posted on both -dev and -user but not 
often and so many are on both) I don’t think I’ve seen any cross-postings to 
outside lists. On the off chance a non-member participates (with moderator 
approval) it would likely be obvious and you could include their personal 
address.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 10, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Dale Alspach  wrote:
> 
> Question for those who want the [GNC] prefix:
> Would having the email from be from the list (gnucash-user@gnucash.org)
> instead of the user (original sender) serve as well?
> 
> This would also help with the "remember to reply to the list" issue. Reply,
> Reply-all, Reply-list would include the list address.
> I believe the mailing list software would still put the original sender
> address in the headers so that an off-list reply would be possible.
> 
> Some view this type of address munging as being bad but I believe that in
> the case of gnucash-user this is the de facto preference of the maintainers
> and developers.
> 
> Dale
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Rich Shepard 
> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, listreader wrote:
>> 
>> Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In my
>>> experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes' they
>>> don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the same
>>> 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater.
>>> 
>> 
>>  Please add my vote to the neutral category. I subscribe to about a dozen
>> mail lists, most use a list-related prefix in brackets; a couple don't.
>> Because incoming messages are sorted into list-specific files the only time
>> the prepended tags matter is when multiple lists cover the same topic.
>> 
>>  GnuCash is the only bookkeeping application I use so a prepended tag
>> makes
>> no difference to me. But, for those who don't automatically sort incoming
>> messages it could well be helpful.
>> 
>>  If having it present does no harm there's no reason to remove it, in my
>> opinion. If you're reading e-mail on a phone, watch, or other small device
>> and cannot see the entire subject line you probably have the ability to
>> scroll horizontally as well as vertically.
>> 
>> Rich
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adrien Monteleone]

I do the same.

I’ve noticed though that despite Mailman being set not to deliver duplicates if 
you are also in the To or CC fields, it does so anyway. I think it was Geert 
who did that as a test a few weeks back and I got two copies, one got filed 
(the list copy) and the other stayed in my inbox. (the one direct from him) I 
think the problem there is the list is going to send you at least one copy, but 
the individual sending the mail is including you in a To or CC field, which 
gets handled by their client and their mail provider - not the list. Thus there 
are still two independent routes.

So I usually remove the personal addresses and move the list address up.

While the tag it’s no skin off my nose, it is a tad annoying. It’s now visual 
clutter I have to filter out. (despite that I bother to filter the messages 
into their own folder) I can see how cross-posted messages would turn into tag 
soup if every list followed this behavior.

And the real stickler for me on the whole topic, is this was added because some 
people don’t want to be bothered to configure their own mail client properly or 
don’t know how. (not to mention, it was added very quickly, even after the 
initial requestor withdrew the request!)

I’ve yet to see the very few who like or asked for this change to give us an 
example of a mail client that can’t filter, tag or otherwise identify list mail.

That’s my 2¢, or $1 factoring for inflation.

Regards,
Adrien

p.s. - I wonder what will happen to some people’s threadings if I manually 
remove that [GNC] tag in the subject line after “Re:” ?? Certainly, a good mail 
client will thread off the message-id, but that’s not always the case. Will 
Mailman add it back?

> On Apr 10, 2018, at 4:53 PM, Rich Shepard  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, Dale Alspach wrote:
> 
>> Question for those who want the [GNC] prefix: Would having the email from
>> be from the list (gnucash-user@gnucash.org) instead of the user (original
>> sender) serve as well?
> 
> Dale,
> 
>  Doesn't matter to me, in most cases. When I reply to a message that has
> both the sender's address and the list alpine puts the sender's address on
> the To: line and the list address on the Cc: line. Before sending I delete
> the former and move the latter up.
> 
>  There are times when a response to the individual rather than the list is
> appropriate. This is when the response is off the thread and is either off
> the mail list topic or is of a personal nature. Having both addresses
> availalbe accommodates all situations.
> 
>> This would also help with the "remember to reply to the list" issue.
>> Reply, Reply-all, Reply-list would include the list address. I believe the
>> mailing list software would still put the original sender address in the
>> headers so that an off-list reply would be possible.
> 
>  When I respond to a message, such as this one, alpine asks me if I want to
> respond to all. My fingers default to 'yes.' Often, both the sender and the
> list are on the header and I adjust as desired, usually removing the
> sender's address as they get a copy from the list in any case.
> 
>  All mail lists prefer threads to remain on the list so that future readers
> can see the entire thread.
> 
>  I admit to not seeing where having [GNC] as a subject line prefix is
> harmful to any list subscriber; perhaps that's because it is not an issue
> for me either way.
> 
> Regards,
> 
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Rich Shepard]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, Dale Alspach wrote:


Question for those who want the [GNC] prefix: Would having the email from
be from the list (gnucash-user@gnucash.org) instead of the user (original
sender) serve as well?


Dale,

  Doesn't matter to me, in most cases. When I reply to a message that has
both the sender's address and the list alpine puts the sender's address on
the To: line and the list address on the Cc: line. Before sending I delete
the former and move the latter up.

  There are times when a response to the individual rather than the list is
appropriate. This is when the response is off the thread and is either off
the mail list topic or is of a personal nature. Having both addresses
availalbe accommodates all situations.


This would also help with the "remember to reply to the list" issue.
Reply, Reply-all, Reply-list would include the list address. I believe the
mailing list software would still put the original sender address in the
headers so that an off-list reply would be possible.


  When I respond to a message, such as this one, alpine asks me if I want to
respond to all. My fingers default to 'yes.' Often, both the sender and the
list are on the header and I adjust as desired, usually removing the
sender's address as they get a copy from the list in any case.

  All mail lists prefer threads to remain on the list so that future readers
can see the entire thread.

  I admit to not seeing where having [GNC] as a subject line prefix is
harmful to any list subscriber; perhaps that's because it is not an issue
for me either way.

Regards,

Rich
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Dale Alspach]

Question for those who want the [GNC] prefix:
Would having the email from be from the list (gnucash-user@gnucash.org)
instead of the user (original sender) serve as well?

This would also help with the "remember to reply to the list" issue. Reply,
Reply-all, Reply-list would include the list address.
I believe the mailing list software would still put the original sender
address in the headers so that an off-list reply would be possible.

Some view this type of address munging as being bad but I believe that in
the case of gnucash-user this is the de facto preference of the maintainers
and developers.

Dale


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wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, listreader wrote:
>
> Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In my
>> experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes' they
>> don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the same
>> 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater.
>>
>
>   Please add my vote to the neutral category. I subscribe to about a dozen
> mail lists, most use a list-related prefix in brackets; a couple don't.
> Because incoming messages are sorted into list-specific files the only time
> the prepended tags matter is when multiple lists cover the same topic.
>
>   GnuCash is the only bookkeeping application I use so a prepended tag
> makes
> no difference to me. But, for those who don't automatically sort incoming
> messages it could well be helpful.
>
>   If having it present does no harm there's no reason to remove it, in my
> opinion. If you're reading e-mail on a phone, watch, or other small device
> and cannot see the entire subject line you probably have the ability to
> scroll horizontally as well as vertically.
>
> Rich
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[William Bixby]

I like the GNC prefix.

I have 20 mail lists that I subscribe to.
17 use the subject prefix which results in precise filtering to my 
folders at my ISP level (I don't need to filter locally, so I can access 
the emails in the proper folders no matter which platform and therefore 
email client I use, Linux, Windows, phone, tablet, etc.).


I try to filter the 3 lists without subject prefixes using the available 
sender, to, and CC options my ISP provides (list ID is not included, 
subject is available for the good lists that use a subject prefix).  But 
within each list the emails have the list name/address in various 
positions, it is not consistent.  Sometimes my ISP doesn't match the 
filters and then tags the email as junk.
But in the majority of my mail lists that DO use the subject prefix I 
have never had emails flagged as junk.  The filtering to folders is more 
precise.


I'm surprised at the objections, as my experience is that mail lists 
adding the list ID in the subject is the 'norm' and very common.  The 
few, like gnucash was, that don't are the outlier.


It may not be a 'standard' requirement for mail lists, but when almost 
all do it it becomes a 'defacto' standard and should be followed.




On 04/10/2018 04:48 PM, Rich Shepard wrote:

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, listreader wrote:


Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In my
experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes' they
don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the same
'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater.


   Please add my vote to the neutral category. I subscribe to about a dozen
mail lists, most use a list-related prefix in brackets; a couple don't.
Because incoming messages are sorted into list-specific files the only time
the prepended tags matter is when multiple lists cover the same topic.

   GnuCash is the only bookkeeping application I use so a prepended tag 
makes

no difference to me. But, for those who don't automatically sort incoming
messages it could well be helpful.

   If having it present does no harm there's no reason to remove it, in my
opinion. If you're reading e-mail on a phone, watch, or other small device
and cannot see the entire subject line you probably have the ability to
scroll horizontally as well as vertically.

Rich

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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adrien Monteleone]

Ralph,

What is your e-mail client? Can it not filter mail? Can it not tag mail? Can it 
not handle mailing-lists?

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 10, 2018, at 3:20 PM, listreader  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 22:00:33 +0500
> "David T. via gnucash-user"  wrote:
> 
>> I have tallied up the responses regarding subject prefixes thus far,
>> and it appears that 7 people are in favor of this change.
>> 
>> In contrast, 20 people (including three of the development team) have
>> expressed negative opinions regarding this addition. [In the interest
>> of objectivity, I am one of this group.]
>> 
>> It is unclear to me why such a change would be implemented based on
>> the opinions of two readers (the total number of positive replies
>> prior to implementation), and then not reverted when nearly three
>> times the number of readers expressed their objectons to it.
> 
> Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means.  In my
> experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes'
> they don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the
> same 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater.
> 
> I subscribe to around 20 very busy mailing lists, all intentionally
> sent to the same mailbox folder so as not to interfere with all my
> other more urgent business and personal mailbox folders, and all but
> GnuCash have always used a subject prefix. (including one which uses the
> useless/annoying '[Users]' as its prefix but that is another story).
> The prefix is EXTREMELY useful to me. So add me to the 'approve' side
> of your tally.
> 
> Ralph
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Rich Shepard]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, listreader wrote:


Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In my
experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes' they
don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the same
'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater.


  Please add my vote to the neutral category. I subscribe to about a dozen
mail lists, most use a list-related prefix in brackets; a couple don't.
Because incoming messages are sorted into list-specific files the only time
the prepended tags matter is when multiple lists cover the same topic.

  GnuCash is the only bookkeeping application I use so a prepended tag makes
no difference to me. But, for those who don't automatically sort incoming
messages it could well be helpful.

  If having it present does no harm there's no reason to remove it, in my
opinion. If you're reading e-mail on a phone, watch, or other small device
and cannot see the entire subject line you probably have the ability to
scroll horizontally as well as vertically.

Rich

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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Fross, Michael]

That's interesting Ralph.  I have a similar need (4 or 5 busy lists) and I
send each one to it's own subfolder of the "MailingLists" folder.  I really
like not having them jumbled up together, but that's just me.

I vote against having them especially, as Geert pointed out, if you think
about cross posted messages.

Michael

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:23 PM, David Carlson <david.carlson@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I vote against
>
> David C
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 2:13 PM Gary Holtum <diamondhranc...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> > 25 against!
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: gnucash-user
> > [mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+diamondhranchqh=earthlink@gnucash.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of Alex Aycinena
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 3:01 PM
> > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
> >
> > 24 against
> >
> >
> > >
> > > -- Forwarded message --
> > > From: Les <lellio...@gmail.com>
> > > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> > > Cc:
> > > Bcc:
> > > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 13:15:29 -0500
> > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix 23.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 04/10/2018 12:40 PM, Mike Evans wrote:
> > >
> > >> 22
> > >>
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[David Carlson]

I vote against

David C

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 2:13 PM Gary Holtum <diamondhranc...@earthlink.net>
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> 25 against!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: gnucash-user
> [mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+diamondhranchqh=earthlink@gnucash.org] On
> Behalf Of Alex Aycinena
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 3:01 PM
> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
>
> 24 against
>
>
> >
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: Les <lellio...@gmail.com>
> > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> > Cc:
> > Bcc:
> > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 13:15:29 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix 23.
> >
> >
> > On 04/10/2018 12:40 PM, Mike Evans wrote:
> >
> >> 22
> >>
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[listreader]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 22:00:33 +0500
"David T. via gnucash-user"  wrote:

> I have tallied up the responses regarding subject prefixes thus far,
> and it appears that 7 people are in favor of this change.
> 
> In contrast, 20 people (including three of the development team) have
> expressed negative opinions regarding this addition. [In the interest
> of objectivity, I am one of this group.]
> 
> It is unclear to me why such a change would be implemented based on
> the opinions of two readers (the total number of positive replies
> prior to implementation), and then not reverted when nearly three
> times the number of readers expressed their objectons to it.

Your tally probably doesn't mean what you think it means.  In my
experience, far more people are likely to complain about 'changes'
they don't like than are people who approve or are neutral about the
same 'changes'. Like on a ratio of 10 to 1 or greater.

I subscribe to around 20 very busy mailing lists, all intentionally
sent to the same mailbox folder so as not to interfere with all my
other more urgent business and personal mailbox folders, and all but
GnuCash have always used a subject prefix. (including one which uses the
useless/annoying '[Users]' as its prefix but that is another story).
The prefix is EXTREMELY useful to me. So add me to the 'approve' side
of your tally.

Ralph
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Gary Holtum]

25 against!

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user
[mailto:gnucash-user-bounces+diamondhranchqh=earthlink@gnucash.org] On
Behalf Of Alex Aycinena
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 3:01 PM
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

24 against


>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Les <lellio...@gmail.com>
> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 13:15:29 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix 23.
>
>
> On 04/10/2018 12:40 PM, Mike Evans wrote:
>
>> 22
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Alex Aycinena]

24 against


>
> -- Forwarded message --
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> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 13:15:29 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
> 23.
>
>
> On 04/10/2018 12:40 PM, Mike Evans wrote:
>
>> 22
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[zakina]

22

On 10 Apr 2018 at 11:28, Ronal B Morse wrote:

> Make that 21.  But, it's not a big issue for me.
> 
> RBM
> 
> On 04/10/2018 11:00 AM, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am responding to the original email because there have been
> quite a few responses to this thread.
> >
> > I have tallied up the responses regarding subject prefixes thus
> far, and it appears that 7 people are in favor of this change.
> >
> > In contrast, 20 people (including three of the development team)
> have expressed negative opinions regarding this addition. [In the
> interest of objectivity, I am one of this group.]
> >
> > It is unclear to me why such a change would be implemented based
> on the opinions of two readers (the total number of positive replies
> prior to implementation), and then not reverted when nearly three
> times the number of readers expressed their objectons to it.
> >
> > David T.
> >
> >> On Apr 6, 2018, at 6:08 AM, Steve Parry 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi everyone (especially Admins).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Just wondering if you can add an automatic Subject Prefix in
> MailMan to all emails from this list (eg [GNC]) so that list emails
> have a subject like "[GNC] This is a sample Subject". This will
> enable faster identification of the mailing list emails (of which
> there are many) when eye scanning and the option to have a mail
> client rule to filter them into a separate folder.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Just a thought!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks for all your great work
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> ...Steve
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Les]

23.


On 04/10/2018 12:40 PM, Mike Evans wrote:

22

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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Mike Evans]

22

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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Ronal B Morse]

Make that 21.  But, it's not a big issue for me.

RBM

On 04/10/2018 11:00 AM, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:

Hello,

I am responding to the original email because there have been quite a few 
responses to this thread.

I have tallied up the responses regarding subject prefixes thus far, and it 
appears that 7 people are in favor of this change.

In contrast, 20 people (including three of the development team) have expressed 
negative opinions regarding this addition. [In the interest of objectivity, I 
am one of this group.]

It is unclear to me why such a change would be implemented based on the 
opinions of two readers (the total number of positive replies prior to 
implementation), and then not reverted when nearly three times the number of 
readers expressed their objectons to it.

David T.


On Apr 6, 2018, at 6:08 AM, Steve Parry  wrote:

Hi everyone (especially Admins).



Just wondering if you can add an automatic Subject Prefix in MailMan to all emails from 
this list (eg [GNC]) so that list emails have a subject like "[GNC] This is a sample 
Subject". This will enable faster identification of the mailing list emails (of 
which there are many) when eye scanning and the option to have a mail client rule to 
filter them into a separate folder.



Just a thought!



Thanks for all your great work

Cheers

...Steve

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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Hello,

I am responding to the original email because there have been quite a few 
responses to this thread.

I have tallied up the responses regarding subject prefixes thus far, and it 
appears that 7 people are in favor of this change.

In contrast, 20 people (including three of the development team) have expressed 
negative opinions regarding this addition. [In the interest of objectivity, I 
am one of this group.]

It is unclear to me why such a change would be implemented based on the 
opinions of two readers (the total number of positive replies prior to 
implementation), and then not reverted when nearly three times the number of 
readers expressed their objectons to it.

David T.

> On Apr 6, 2018, at 6:08 AM, Steve Parry  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone (especially Admins).
> 
> 
> 
> Just wondering if you can add an automatic Subject Prefix in MailMan to all 
> emails from this list (eg [GNC]) so that list emails have a subject like 
> "[GNC] This is a sample Subject". This will enable faster identification of 
> the mailing list emails (of which there are many) when eye scanning and the 
> option to have a mail client rule to filter them into a separate folder.
> 
> 
> 
> Just a thought!
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for all your great work
> 
> Cheers
> 
> ...Steve
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adrien Monteleone]

Good point.

Since filtering is a personal preference, I don’t think its method should be 
decided by the list.

Regards,
Adrien


> On Apr 10, 2018, at 7:14 AM, Saša Janiška  wrote:
> 
> Alain Williams  writes:
> 
>> All very nice if you want to do that; some do, some don't.
> 
> Personally I do not mind too much since I use Gmane, but isn't it
> strange that *all* users are paying the 'price' for users that "don't
> want to do that" (aka mail filtering) ? ;)
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Saša Janiška]

Alain Williams  writes:

> All very nice if you want to do that; some do, some don't.

Personally I do not mind too much since I use Gmane, but isn't it
strange that *all* users are paying the 'price' for users that "don't
want to do that" (aka mail filtering) ? ;)


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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Amish]

Is it possible to put [GNC] tag at the end of the subject.

Those who filter on subject will still be able to use it

and those who are disturbed by additional unnecessary tagging would be 
happy too.


Amish.


On Tuesday 10 April 2018 05:09 PM, Alain Williams wrote:


The point is that different people choose different ones - for whatever reason.
So: let's make it easy for people who are not using your chosen MUA to also
distinguish GC/GNC email from the others in their mailbox. The price for those
who do not need it on the Subject: line is a few characters - get over it!



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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Alain Williams]

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 08:31:32AM -0300, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote:
> 2018-04-06T11:08:57+1000 Steve Parry wrote:
> > when eye scanning and the option to have a mail client rule to filter
> > them into a separate folder.
> 
> Some email clients, for example GNU Emacs Gnus, allows you to do email

The clue to this is ''Some email clients''.

The point is that different people choose different ones - for whatever reason.
So: let's make it easy for people who are not using your chosen MUA to also
distinguish GC/GNC email from the others in their mailbox. The price for those
who do not need it on the Subject: line is a few characters - get over it!

> splitting, in which you can make groups/directories that will hold email
> messages that match a certain rule, and this can be done by testing for
> the "gnucash-user@gnucash.org" email, or the corresponding bouncer.

All very nice if you want to do that; some do, some don't.

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Re: [GNC] Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

2018-04-06T11:08:57+1000 Steve Parry wrote:
> when eye scanning and the option to have a mail client rule to filter
> them into a separate folder.

Some email clients, for example GNU Emacs Gnus, allows you to do email
splitting, in which you can make groups/directories that will hold email
messages that match a certain rule, and this can be done by testing for
the "gnucash-user@gnucash.org" email, or the corresponding bouncer.

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Re: [GNC] RFC 2822; Re: GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Steve Parry]

That would be annoying, but that's not normal behavior, as can be seen from 
this reply. 
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Re: [GNC] RFC 2822; Re: GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Derek Atkins]

Most likely because German users have this annoying habit of using Aw: 
instead of Re: when replying...   ;-)


-derek
Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos.
On April 7, 2018 8:34:12 PM "Frank H. Ellenberger" 
 wrote:



Am 08.04.2018 um 01:56 schrieb Steve Parry:
> Hi Frank.
> Adding a prefix does not stop you continuing your method, and at the same 
time also meets the request of us "dinosaurs" 

> Cheers...Steve
>

We have this annoyimg prefix on Gnucash-de. And everytime you change the
subject, it gets inserted again:

[gnucash-de] Original Theme
becomes
[gnucash-de] More specific Theme; was: [gnucash-de] Original Theme
then user inserts it's own tag
[gnucash-de][SOLVED][gnucash-de] More specific Theme; was: [gnucash-de]
Original Theme
Ending with no longer showing the theme because of too many tags.

From RFC 2822:  Each line of characters MUST be no more than 998
characters, and SHOULD be no more than 78 characters, excluding the CRLF.

Currently every reply moves the real content more to the right.

~Frank
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[GNC] RFC 2822; Re: GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Frank H. Ellenberger]

Am 08.04.2018 um 01:56 schrieb Steve Parry:
> Hi Frank. 
> Adding a prefix does not stop you continuing your method, and at the same 
> time also meets the request of us "dinosaurs" 
> Cheers...Steve
> 

We have this annoyimg prefix on Gnucash-de. And everytime you change the
subject, it gets inserted again:

[gnucash-de] Original Theme
becomes
[gnucash-de] More specific Theme; was: [gnucash-de] Original Theme
then user inserts it's own tag
[gnucash-de][SOLVED][gnucash-de] More specific Theme; was: [gnucash-de]
Original Theme
Ending with no longer showing the theme because of too many tags.

From RFC 2822:  Each line of characters MUST be no more than 998
characters, and SHOULD be no more than 78 characters, excluding the CRLF.

Currently every reply moves the real content more to the right.

~Frank
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Re: GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Liz]

James Triplett wrote:
> On (06/04/18 11:08), Steve Parry wrote:
>> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2018 11:08:57 +1000
>> From: Steve Parry 
>> To: 'Gnucash Users' 
>> Subject: Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
>> Reply-To: spa...@vidar.com.au
>>
>> Hi everyone (especially Admins).
>>
>>
>>
>> Just wondering if you can add an automatic Subject Prefix in MailMan to
all emails from this list (eg [GNC]) so that list emails have a subject
like "[GNC] This is a sample Subject". This will enable faster
>> identification of the mailing list emails (of which there are many)
when eye scanning and the option to have a mail client rule to filter
them into a separate folder.
>>
>>
>
> I think it's a great idea.  My email client makes this Subject Prefix
stand out very nicely.
> Yes, of course, I could design a filtering algorithm that could re-sort
my mail, blah, blah, blah.
> But the eye does it very nicely (in my INBOX of about a thousand items,
receiving about 100 per day).
>
> cheers,
> James
> (email sysadmin but newbie GC user)

I've put in GNC for this list, and GNC-dev for the development list. While
others have mentioned filtering on the "To" field, it's also been
necessary to filter on the "CC" field.
Liz



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