Re: [META] please start To: with gnupg-users@gnupg.org, i.e.: To: gnupg-users@gnupg.org

2012-01-30 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 30/01/12 03:23, MFPA wrote:
 Interestingly enough, your Sig Delimiter is bonked.
 
 That is an unfortunate consequence of signing my message with GnuPG;
 all lines lose trailing spaces and any line beginning with a dash gets
 prefixed with a dash and a space.

Or: how a boring off-topic conversation got on-topic.

Enigmail still recognises the bonked :) sig delimiter and correctly omits
the signature when replying. That is, I assume it is Enigmail doing it for
me, it seems the most logical conclusion. Could also be Thunderbird itself.

Peter.

PS: I wouldn't mind if this silly conversation were over.

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Re: [META] please start To: with gnupg-users@gnupg.org, i.e.: To: gnupg-users@gnupg.org

2012-01-30 Thread Jerry
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 02:23:04 +
MFPA articulated:

 That is an unfortunate consequence of signing my message with GnuPG;
 all lines lose trailing spaces and any line beginning with a dash gets
 prefixed with a dash and a space.

That is because you are using inline rather than mime for signing.
The inlinemethod has been for the most part deprecated. You might
want to give serious thought to switching your signing method.

By the way, as clearly stated at the bottom of my post, I do not
require or want a CC'd copy.

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Re: [META] please start To: with gnupg-users@gnupg.org, i.e.: To: gnupg-users@gnupg.org

2012-01-30 Thread Doug Barton
On 01/30/2012 01:34, Jerry wrote:
 On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 02:23:04 +
 MFPA articulated:
 
 That is an unfortunate consequence of signing my message with GnuPG;
 all lines lose trailing spaces and any line beginning with a dash gets
 prefixed with a dash and a space.
 
 That is because you are using inline rather than mime for signing.
 The inlinemethod has been for the most part deprecated.

Jerry, you've been around long enough to know that A) that's not true,
and B) bringing it up only leads to the same rathole discussion over and
over again.

 You might
 want to give serious thought to switching your signing method.
 
 By the way, as clearly stated at the bottom of my post, I do not
 require or want a CC'd copy.

A) how unfortunate then that your signature gets clipped when I reply :)
or
B) Yeah, that's a silly rathole too. If you don't want the dupe, you go
change your mailman settings to fix it. Meanwhile, including the poster
in the reply goes back from before e-mail was a thing, and often helps
carry on the conversation when the list is slow.

... and now we've come full circle 


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Re: [META] please start To: with gnupg-users@gnupg.org, i.e.: To: gnupg-users@gnupg.org

2012-01-30 Thread Jerry
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:45:01 -0800
Doug Barton articulated:

 On 01/30/2012 01:34, Jerry wrote:
  On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 02:23:04 +
  MFPA articulated:
  
  That is an unfortunate consequence of signing my message with
  GnuPG; all lines lose trailing spaces and any line beginning with
  a dash gets prefixed with a dash and a space.
  
  That is because you are using inline rather than mime for
  signing. The inlinemethod has been for the most part deprecated.
 
 Jerry, you've been around long enough to know that A) that's not true,
 and B) bringing it up only leads to the same rathole discussion over
 and over again.
 
  You might
  want to give serious thought to switching your signing method.
  
  By the way, as clearly stated at the bottom of my post, I do not
  require or want a CC'd copy.
 
 A) how unfortunate then that your signature gets clipped when I
 reply :) or
 B) Yeah, that's a silly rathole too. If you don't want the dupe, you
 go change your mailman settings to fix it. Meanwhile, including the
 poster in the reply goes back from before e-mail was a thing, and
 often helps carry on the conversation when the list is slow.
 
 ... and now we've come full circle 

Unfortunately, eliminating dupes, aka CC'd mail is not that easy. I
use to have a sieve rule that eliminated mail that was both sent to a
mailing list and CC'd to me. I even went as far as having the
superfluous copy sent to SpamCop thinking that perhaps the sender might
get the idea that I didn't not want and specifically requested not to
receive multiple copies of the same draft. Unfortunately, over the years
I have not keep that rule updated. Now, thanks to you and a few other
morons, I now have been sufficiently motivated to update it. Thanks
Doug, it is not yet 6:30am and I have all ready added to my day's
agenda.

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Re: [META] please start To: with gnupg-users@gnupg.org, i.e.: To: gnupg-users@gnupg.org

2012-01-30 Thread Steve
 That is because you are using inline rather than mime for signing.
 The inlinemethod has been for the most part deprecated. You might
 want to give serious thought to switching your signing method.

Which is, why I don't understand why Enigmail still uses inline as a default 
setting…

Cheers,
steve

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Clearsigning on Windows

2012-01-30 Thread Belleraphone

Title of this says it all. How do I clear sign my stuff in the Windows
version of GnuPG? 
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Re: [META] please start To: with gnupg-users@gnupg.org, i.e.: To: gnupg-users@gnupg.org

2012-01-30 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 30/01/12 12:27, Jerry wrote:
 Now, thanks to you and a few other morons,

For crying out loud, stop crying out loud. Get over it. People will CC you.
Stop bothering us with your complaints every time. We all, including you,
have better things to do with our time than repeating this annyoing
discussion ad infinitum.

While I'm at it, I might point you towards DJB's Mail-Followup-To header. It
might help us all to be freed of this endless litany.

Peter.

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Re: Clearsigning on Windows

2012-01-30 Thread Werner Koch
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 07:57, cco...@gmail.com said:
 Title of this says it all. How do I clear sign my stuff in the Windows
 version of GnuPG? 

  gpg --clearsign FILE

results in FILE.asc


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Re: [META] please start To: with gnupg-users@gnupg.org, i.e.: To: gnupg-users@gnupg.org

2012-01-30 Thread Jerry
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:27:37 +0100
Peter Lebbing articulated:

 On 30/01/12 12:27, Jerry wrote:
  Now, thanks to you and a few other morons,
 
 For crying out loud, stop crying out loud. Get over it. People will
 CC you. Stop bothering us with your complaints every time. We all,
 including you, have better things to do with our time than repeating
 this annyoing discussion ad infinitum

I have all ready updated my sieve rules to include this forum. I hadn't
bothered doing it before because for the most part, the posters on this
forum are intelligent enough to know that you need only reply to the
group unless specifically requested to do otherwise. Since this is an
OPT-IN forum, the need to CC in order to reach a poster is not
required. Obviously, some posters prefer to clutter up other readers
with superfluous garbage.

 While I'm at it, I might point you towards DJB's Mail-Followup-To
 header. It might help us all to be freed of this endless litany.

There is no such header as Mail-Followup-To. Dan Bernstein does not
specify the email standards. RFC 5322 (and earlier, RFC 2822 and RFC
822) does. I thought you would have been aware of that.

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Re: [META] please start To: with gnupg-users@gnupg.org, i.e.:

2012-01-30 Thread MichaelQuigley
 - Message from Jerry je...@seibercom.net on Mon, 30 Jan 2012 
 06:27:41 -0500 -
 Unfortunately, eliminating dupes, aka CC'd mail is not that easy.

I believe Doug's reference to MAILMAN settings is suggesting that you log 
into the mailing list manager 
(http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/options/gnupg-users)  Once you get in and 
edit your settings, the last setting is titled Avoid duplicate copies of 
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[Announce] GnuPG 1.4.12 released

2012-01-30 Thread Werner Koch
Hello!

We are pleased to announce the availability of a new stable GnuPG-1
release: Version 1.4.12.  

The GNU Privacy Guard (GnuPG) is GNU's tool for secure communication
and data storage.  It is a complete and free replacement of PGP and
can be used to encrypt data and to create digital signatures.  It
includes an advanced key management facility, smartcard support and is
compliant with the OpenPGP Internet standard as described by RFC-4880.

Note that this version is from the GnuPG-1 series and thus smaller than
those from the GnuPG-2 series, easier to build and also better portable
to ancient platforms.  In contrast to GnuPG-2 (e.g version 2.0.18) it
comes with no support for S/MIME, Secure Shell, or other tools useful
for desktop environments.  Fortunately you may install both versions
alongside on the same system without any conflict.


What's New
===

* GPG now accepts a space separated fingerprint as a user ID.
  This allows to copy and paste the fingerprint from the key
  listing.

* Removed support for the original HKP keyserver which is not
  anymore used by any site.

* Rebuild the trustdb after changing the option --min-cert-level.

* Improved JPEG detection.

* Included more VMS patches

* Made it easier to create an installer for Windows.

* Supports the 32 bit variant of the mingw-w64 toolchain.

* Made file locking more portable.

* Minor bug fixes.

* Ukrainian translation.


Getting the Software


First of all, decide whether you really need GnuPG version 1.4.x - most
users are better off with the modern GnuPG 2.0.x version.  Thene follow
the instructions found at http://www.gnupg.org/download/ or read on:

GnuPG 1.4.12 may be downloaded from one of the GnuPG mirror sites or
direct from ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/ .  The list of mirrors can be
found at http://www.gnupg.org/mirrors.html .  Note, that GnuPG is not
available at ftp.gnu.org.

On the mirrors you should find the following files in the *gnupg*
directory:

  gnupg-1.4.12.tar.bz2 (3500k)
  gnupg-1.4.12.tar.bz2.sig

  GnuPG source compressed using BZIP2 and OpenPGP signature.

  gnupg-1.4.12.tar.gz (4823k)
  gnupg-1.4.12.tar.gz.sig

  GnuPG source compressed using GZIP and OpenPGP signature.

  gnupg-1.4.11-1.4.12.diff.bz2 (574k)

  A patch file to upgrade a 1.4.11 GnuPG source tree.  This patch
  does not include updates of the language files.

Select one of them. To shorten the download time, you probably want to
get the BZIP2 compressed file.  Please try another mirror if
exceptional your mirror is not yet up to date.

In the *binary* directory, you should find these files:

  gnupg-w32cli-1.4.12.exe (1557k)
  gnupg-w32cli-1.4.12.exe.sig

  GnuPG compiled for Microsoft Windows and OpenPGP signature.
  This is a command line only version; the source files are the
  same as given above.  Note, that this is a minimal installer and
  unless you are just in need for the gpg binary, you are better
  off using the full featured installer at http://www.gpg4win.org .
  

Checking the Integrity
==

In order to check that the version of GnuPG which you are going to
install is an original and unmodified one, you can do it in one of
the following ways:

 * If you already have a trusted version of GnuPG installed, you
   can simply check the supplied signature.  For example to check the
   signature of the file gnupg-1.4.12.tar.bz2 you would use this command:

 gpg --verify gnupg-1.4.12.tar.bz2.sig

   This checks whether the signature file matches the source file.
   You should see a message indicating that the signature is good and
   made by that signing key.  Make sure that you have the right key,
   either by checking the fingerprint of that key with other sources
   or by checking that the key has been signed by a trustworthy other
   key.  Note, that you can retrieve the signing key using the command

 finger wk ,at' g10code.com | gpg --import

   or using a keyserver like

 gpg --recv-key 4F25E3B6

   The distribution key 1CE0C630 is signed by the well known keys
   1E42B367.  If you get an key expired message, you should retrieve a
   fresh copy as the expiration date might have been prolonged.

   NEVER USE A GNUPG VERSION YOU JUST DOWNLOADED TO CHECK THE
   INTEGRITY OF THE SOURCE - USE AN EXISTING GNUPG INSTALLATION!

 * If you are not able to use an old version of GnuPG, you have to verify
   the SHA-1 checksum.  Assuming you downloaded the file
   gnupg-1.4.12.tar.bz2, you would run the sha1sum command like this:

 sha1sum gnupg-1.4.12.tar.bz2

   and check that the output matches the first line from the
   following list:

9b78e20328d35525af7b8a9c1cf081396910e937  gnupg-1.4.12.tar.bz2
790587e440ec7d429b120db7a96a237badc638fd  gnupg-1.4.12.tar.gz
5ce9105ce6b6c9c38638eead87658f4b735a4a68  gnupg-1.4.11-1.4.12.diff.bz2
e7d8e48900d35fe407a8d8308b3a02b8de46b2f2  

Re: Enigmail and PGP/MIME

2012-01-30 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 1/30/12 12:07 PM, Werner Koch wrote:
 Outlook has PGP/MIME support via a plugin.

Out of the box, Outlook doesn't support PGP/MIME and won't even render
the plain text portions -- or, at least, such was the case the last time
I checked Outlook, which was some time ago: I try to avoid dealing with
Outlook whenever possible.

Thunderbird at least will render the plaintext.

 Both are hampered by decisions of Microsoft and Mozilla, not to help
 implementing proper MIME handlers.  [much history omitted]

I'm certainly not disagreeing with any of this.

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Using the not-dash-escaped option

2012-01-30 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: RIPEMD160
NotDashEscaped: You need GnuPG to verify this message


 - --
  Best regards
...

 Interestingly enough, your Sig Delimiter is bonked.

 That is an unfortunate consequence of signing my message with GnuPG;
 all lines lose trailing spaces and any line beginning with a dash gets
 prefixed with a dash and a space.

That's exactly what the --not-dash-escaped option is for. Granted, 
it's not portable to some other PGP implemetations, but if there is 
any mailing list in world in which it would be acceptable, I 
would think it would be this one! :)

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iEYEAREDAAYFAk8mxLAACgkQvJuQZxSWSsgoDQCg2QifdcDmm9mfQpuD8Lzz8+2C
nZAAoOUuDIohAz9OVrZEeqyBDO2dLBFV
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Re: Enigmail and PGP/MIME

2012-01-30 Thread Werner Koch
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:15, r...@sixdemonbag.org said:

 Out of the box, Outlook doesn't support PGP/MIME and won't even render
 the plain text portions -- or, at least, such was the case the last time
 I checked Outlook, which was some time ago: I try to avoid dealing with

It renders the plain text fine, at least with OL2003 SP2.


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Re: Clearsigning on Windows

2012-01-30 Thread Belleraphone

I'm at the gpg.exe application, which file do I clearsign exactly? Do I need
to export my key? I'm a little new at this. 

Werner Koch wrote:
 
 On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 07:57, cco...@gmail.com said:
 Title of this says it all. How do I clear sign my stuff in the Windows
 version of GnuPG? 
 
   gpg --clearsign FILE
 
 results in FILE.asc
 
 
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Re: Clearsigning on Windows

2012-01-30 Thread Hauke Laging
Am Montag, 30. Januar 2012, 21:57:41 schrieb Belleraphone:
 I'm at the gpg.exe application, which file do I clearsign exactly?

You are probably the only one who knows which file(s) you want clearsigned.


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Re: Clearsigning on Windows

2012-01-30 Thread Belleraphone

I realize that, but how do I make it so that my files are fit to be
clearsigned? I was given a bunch of information from a website that said
what needed to be clearsigned. How do I put this information into a file
that gpu.exe can read and clearsign?

Hauke Laging wrote:
 
 Am Montag, 30. Januar 2012, 21:57:41 schrieb Belleraphone:
 I'm at the gpg.exe application, which file do I clearsign exactly?
 
 You are probably the only one who knows which file(s) you want
 clearsigned.
 
 
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Re: Clearsigning on Windows

2012-01-30 Thread Doug Barton
On 01/30/2012 13:12, Belleraphone wrote:
 
 I realize that, but how do I make it so that my files are fit to be
 clearsigned? I was given a bunch of information from a website that said
 what needed to be clearsigned. How do I put this information into a file
 that gpu.exe can read and clearsign?

You're probably overthinking it. Create the file in the manner that is
described in your instructions, and then sign it. If that doesn't make
sense to you, we need more information about what you're trying to
accomplish.


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Re: Clearsigning on Windows

2012-01-30 Thread Hauke Laging
Am Montag, 30. Januar 2012, 22:12:13 schrieb Belleraphone:
 I realize that, but how do I make it so that my files are fit to be
 clearsigned?

I am not sure whether I understand what you mean.

--clearsign is usable for text files only not for binary files. Those need
--sign or --detach-sign.


 I was given a bunch of information from a website that said
 what needed to be clearsigned. How do I put this information into a file
 that gpu.exe can read and clearsign?

It seems not to be possible to make a single signature for several files at 
once whose names are read from STDIN (or a file). But you can give several 
files on the command line:

gpg --armor --output signature.asc --detach-sign file1 file2 file3

The result can be checked by

gpg --verify signature.asc file1 file2 file3

In that case you have to check all files simultaneously.


If you have a big lot of files to be signed then you can 

a) either create an archive file (by whatever archieve application you like 
and which supports reading file names from a file) and sign that single file

b) use scripting (which I don't know anything about under Windows) to

1) either create the long command line
The Linux (bash) way would be:
gpg --armor --output signature.asc --detach-sign $(cat filelist.txt)

2) call gpg for each file (which makes sense only without a passphrase od with 
passphrase caching (gpg-agent)
The Linux (bash) way would be:
while read filename
  do
  gpg --armor --detach-sign $filename
done  filelist.txt


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Re: Clearsigning on Windows

2012-01-30 Thread Belleraphone

My instructions just tell me to clearsign the following and then the paste
the results in a box. Here's what i have to clearsign. Keep in mind I'm
using GnuPG for windows. 

mode new_user
username XX
fprint   
FUDForum 
Fossil   
Moin 
Zine 

Now what exactly do I do with this?  I put it in a text file and then verify
it with gpg.exe? The same gpg.exe thats in the pub folder? So far everytime
I try to clearsign the .txt file with the info posted above  but it does not
work.



Doug Barton-2 wrote:
 
 On 01/30/2012 13:12, Belleraphone wrote:
 
 I realize that, but how do I make it so that my files are fit to be
 clearsigned? I was given a bunch of information from a website that said
 what needed to be clearsigned. How do I put this information into a file
 that gpu.exe can read and clearsign?
 
 You're probably overthinking it. Create the file in the manner that is
 described in your instructions, and then sign it. If that doesn't make
 sense to you, we need more information about what you're trying to
 accomplish.
 
 
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Re: Clearsigning on Windows

2012-01-30 Thread Hauke Laging
Am Montag, 30. Januar 2012, 22:53:56 schrieb Belleraphone:

 So far
 everytime I try to clearsign the .txt file with the info posted above  but
 it does not work.

It doesn't work without any explanation what exactly you have done and what 
It doesn't work means precisely does not make it easier to help you. You 
have already been told the necessary command by Werner.


Hauke
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Re: Clearsigning on Windows

2012-01-30 Thread Anthony Papillion
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Belleraphone cco...@gmail.com wrote:

 I realize that, but how do I make it so that my files are fit to be
 clearsigned? I was given a bunch of information from a website that said
 what needed to be clearsigned. How do I put this information into a file
 that gpu.exe can read and clearsign?

GPG can read and clearsign any file. Just put the information into a
file and then execute the given command against that file.

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Re: Clearsigning on Windows

2012-01-30 Thread Belleraphone

I figured it out, there was a sign button on the windows version which was
the clear sign. 

Hauke Laging wrote:
 
 Am Montag, 30. Januar 2012, 22:53:56 schrieb Belleraphone:
 
 So far
 everytime I try to clearsign the .txt file with the info posted above 
 but
 it does not work.
 
 It doesn't work without any explanation what exactly you have done and
 what 
 It doesn't work means precisely does not make it easier to help you. You 
 have already been told the necessary command by Werner.
 
 
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Re: [META] please start To: with gnupg-users@gnupg.org, i.e.: To: gnupg-users@gnupg.org

2012-01-30 Thread John Clizbe
MFPA wrote:
 Hi
 On Monday 30 January 2012 at 2:13:48 AM, Jerry wrote:
 On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:52:44 + MFPA articulated:
 Looking through recent postings, the signature
 delimiter seems to appear in about half of the
 messages on this list.
 - --
  Best regards
 MFPA
 mailto:expires2...@rocketmail.com
 
 Interestingly enough, your Sig Delimiter is bonked.
 
 That is an unfortunate consequence of signing my message with GnuPG;
 all lines lose trailing spaces and any line beginning with a dash gets
 prefixed with a dash and a space.

That is part of the OpenPGP standard RFC 4880. Trailing space removed and line
endings canonicalized to CR-LF. Lines beginning with a hyphen/dash are
dash-space escaped -  in order to avoid confusion with OpenPGP message 
headers.

There used to be a bug in the Mozilla mailnews code that left -- alone, but
stripped the space from - -- . I think it was fixed some time ago.
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Re: [META] please start To: with gnupg-users@gnupg.org, i.e.: To: gnupg-users@gnupg.org

2012-01-30 Thread John Clizbe
Jerry wrote:
 On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 02:23:04 +
 MFPA articulated:
 
 That is an unfortunate consequence of signing my message with GnuPG;
 all lines lose trailing spaces and any line beginning with a dash gets
 prefixed with a dash and a space.
 
 That is because you are using inline rather than mime for signing.
 The inlinemethod has been for the most part deprecated. You might
 want to give serious thought to switching your signing method.

I always get a chuckle every time I read someone writing that inline signing is
somehow deprecated. Strangely enough, the only place I can find the
origination of such an idea is in the PGP/MIME RFC 3156 itself which strikes me
as somewhat self-serving. Deprecation is not mentioned in the OpenPGP standard
RFC 4880.

I use PGP/MIME when I know a mailing list supports it and inline when I know it
doesn't. I use PGP/MIME if I know the recipient's MUA supports it, inline 
otherwise.

On the Netiquette part of this thread, I too set a Reply-To header that seems at
least one person regularly ignores. Please don't CC me on list replies. One copy
is enough.

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PGP/MIME use (was Re: META)

2012-01-30 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 1/30/12 6:09 PM, John Clizbe wrote:
 I always get a chuckle every time I read someone writing that inline signing 
 is
 somehow deprecated. Strangely enough, the only place I can find the
 origination of such an idea is in the PGP/MIME RFC 3156 itself which strikes 
 me
 as somewhat self-serving. Deprecation is not mentioned in the OpenPGP standard
 RFC 4880.

Well, in defense of that interpretation, RFC4880 just specifies a packet
format and ASCII armoring -- it's deliberately silent on everything from
RFCx822 integration to concerns about using it as the basis for disk
encryption products.

I would favor seeing an OpenPGP best practices RFC.  4880 tells us
what's legal OpenPGP traffic, but says nothing about what's worthwhile.

 I use PGP/MIME when I know a mailing list supports it and inline when I know 
 it
 doesn't. I use PGP/MIME if I know the recipient's MUA supports it, inline 
 otherwise.

This comes fairly close to my own practices, with one significant
exception: since it's almost impossible for me to know whether all the
MUAs used on a mailing list support PGP/MIME, I feel it's better for
mailing list traffic to be inline.

Of course, I really feel it's better for mailing list traffic to not be
signed at all, since usually all it gives us is a false sense of
security.  A signature from an unvalidated key belonging to an unknown
person whom we don't know from Adam doesn't mean much, if anything at all.


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GnuPG distribution signature

2012-01-30 Thread Faramir
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA256

Hello,
  Is key D869 2123 C406 5DEA 5E0F  3AB5 249B 39D2 4F25 E3B6 (
0x4F25E3B6 ) the current key used for signing files? I suppose it is,
but I'd like to ask before issuing a local signature.

  Best Regards
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/

iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJPJyJnAAoJEMV4f6PvczxAdT0IAIk+D4P847GCWn3bZbkIqHPI
rXZkdov92g25YfOXfZLJAB0J994IEdc+PwwV0T3/UdScxWxCuJpuRffVsxWyxVeO
phrV1C/7vQ81OdaUR0Rq2cPb3n2vjj4lbGNTj9KHkJ34LLt5ngPp6wInf1FDoBH0
rcjtBOcjHhVZq7iSFK8No6wwjeRwSrPjcJRtdmcu6kUT0dNK1X+1ke0/Lw2FfQg6
5cJcX+yZ02/u5fNwhOr5ALP5napSsFogu3DGUFm2TD91j3zso3LA5EbRGa1hmQk4
eZeA1VURQOuIKT9VJk8pr7oXJ7yjh0veWH1BIrHf0x6Su0f5uWYSm27zWX2mveA=
=XfC7
-END PGP SIGNATURE-

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Re: GnuPG distribution signature

2012-01-30 Thread Olav Seyfarth
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: RIPEMD160

Hi Faramir,

 Is key 0x4F25E3B6 the current key used for signing files?

according to the website, it is:

In the 3rd text paragraph on http://gnupg.org/download/integrity_check.en.html
signing key links to http://gnupg.org/signature_key.en.html which lists

| pub   2048R/4F25E3B6 2011-01-12 [expires: 2019-12-31]
| Key fingerprint = D869 2123 C406 5DEA 5E0F  3AB5 249B 39D2 4F25 E3B6
|   uid  Werner Koch (dist sig)
|   sub   2048R/AC87C71A 2011-01-12 [expires: 2019-12-31]
|
| Releases done in the years 1996 to 2010 are signed by this key:
| [older key summyries and ascii-armored key follows]

That new key 4F25E3B6 is signed by the older signing key 1CE0C630.

Olav
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32)
Comment: Dies ist eine elektronische Signatur - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
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=LmkF
-END PGP SIGNATURE-

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