Re: GnuPG in the media

2013-02-08 Thread Branko Majic
On Thu, 07 Feb 2013 22:16:23 -0500
Robert J. Hansen r...@sixdemonbag.org wrote:

 GnuPG was mentioned (somewhat inaccurately, but still mentioned) in
 the _Daily Mail_.  It's not exactly 'respectable journalism', but
 it's still very high-visibility.
 
 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2274388/MI5-install-black-box-spy-devices-monitor-UK-internet-traffic.html

Heheh... HushMail - JavaApplet + 1024 RSA key, lovely stuff :)

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Re: More secure than smartcard or cryptostick against remote attacks?

2013-02-08 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 08/02/13 03:12, Josef Schneider wrote:
 With GnuPG on the other hand someone who has access to my PC can sign
 whatever he likes and sign as much as he likes, as long as my card
 reader is attached

Just so you know, the OpenPGP card has a forcesig, force signature PIN, flag
which you can set so you have to enter the PIN for every individual signature.
Unfortunately (IMHO), there's no such flag for decryption and authentication,
which can be done multiple times with one PIN entry.

Peter.

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Feature request for future OpenPGP card: force PIN

2013-02-08 Thread Peter Lebbing
Hello Werner and list,

I'd like to do a feature request for a new version of the OpenPGP card, whenever
such a new version would be designed.

The current OpenPGP cards have a force signature PIN flag which can be set so
only one signature is issued with one PIN entry. I'd like to request similar
flags for the other two keys on the card, the encryption key and the
authentication key.

To me, it seems that the rationale for such a flag on the authentication key is
the same as for the signature key; both are a form of signatures. However, I'm
not familiar with the rationale for adding the force signature PIN flag.

I think there's an obvious use case for not setting the force PIN flag on
decryption: if you're searching your mail archive for a certain string, and you
have lots of encrypted mails, not forcing the PIN will mean you only need to
enter the PIN once for the search. But offering the option to force the PIN for
each decryption just means people with this use case will not set the flag; it
does not get in their way.

I don't have a mail archive with encrypted mails. To me, decryption is just as
much a once only action as signatures. So I would personally set the force
decryption PIN flag for the same reasons I set the force signature PIN flag.

It seems to me this is a simple and harmless addition, so I hope it can be
accepted on the grounds that it is useful to some, not harmful to others and not
that much work. I hope I see that right.

I regret not doing this feature request between the card v1.1 and v2.0 :).

Peter.

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Re: More secure than smartcard or cryptostick against remote attacks?

2013-02-08 Thread Niels Laukens
On 2013-02-08 10:48, Peter Lebbing wrote:
 On 08/02/13 03:12, Josef Schneider wrote:
 With GnuPG on the other hand someone who has access to my PC can sign
 whatever he likes and sign as much as he likes, as long as my card
 reader is attached
 
 Just so you know, the OpenPGP card has a forcesig, force signature PIN, flag
 which you can set so you have to enter the PIN for every individual signature.
 Unfortunately (IMHO), there's no such flag for decryption and authentication,
 which can be done multiple times with one PIN entry.

I'm no expert, but isn't that only useful if you have a card-reader with
pin-entry? If you use your compromised PC to enter your PIN, the malware
can just replay that PIN to the card.

Niels


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Re: Smartcard reader with pin-pad: working combo?

2013-02-08 Thread Niels Laukens
On 2013-02-08 11:23, Hendrik Jäger wrote:
 Hello Niels
 
 On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 10:10:56 +0100
 Niels Laukens ni...@dest-unreach.be wrote:
 
 How likely is it that this is going to work? The card seems to be
 supported by GnuPG, even for 4096RSA keys (which I plan to use).
 
 On the card’s page it says:
 Schlüssellänge jetzt bis zu 3072 Bits
 What makes you think it works with 4096-bit keys?

These:
http://www.corsac.net/?rub=blogpost=1548
https://chris.boyle.name/2011/02/gnupg-4096-bit-keys-openpgp
http://wiki.debian.org/Smartcards/OpenPGP#Features
http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2011-August/042750.html
http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2011-August/042761.html


 together with this reader: SCM SPR-332
 I bought this reader as well after I could not get the pinpad of
 Gemalto PC Pinpad USB
 Reader 
 (http://shop.kernelconcepts.de/product_info.php?cPath=1_26products_id=122)
 to work with GnuPG.
 It works just fine and (almost) out of the box, at least on Debian
 Linux.

That's good to hear. thank you!

Niels



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Re: More secure than smartcard or cryptostick against remote attacks?

2013-02-08 Thread Peter Lebbing
On 08/02/13 10:55, Niels Laukens wrote:
 I'm no expert, but isn't that only useful if you have a card-reader with
 pin-entry? If you use your compromised PC to enter your PIN, the malware
 can just replay that PIN to the card.

Yes, I agree. Not that I am an expert.

Peter.

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Re: Smartcard reader with pin-pad: working combo?

2013-02-08 Thread Hendrik Jäger
Hello Niels

On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 10:10:56 +0100
Niels Laukens ni...@dest-unreach.be wrote:

 Which brings me to my main question: I'm thinking of buying this
 smartcard: OpenPGP SmartCard V2
 https://shop.kernelconcepts.de/product_info.php?cPath=1_26products_id=42
 together with this reader: SCM SPR-332
 https://shop.kernelconcepts.de/product_info.php?cPath=1_26products_id=61
 And would like to get this to work on my MacBook Pro with 10.6.8 (snow
 leopard). I'm not afraid to compile from applications from source, but
 would prefer not to mess with kernel modules.
 
 How likely is it that this is going to work? The card seems to be
 supported by GnuPG, even for 4096RSA keys (which I plan to use).

On the card’s page it says:
Schlüssellänge jetzt bis zu 3072 Bits
What makes you think it works with 4096-bit keys?

 But I'm not sure about the card reader.
 
 So to guard this topic: I'm also interested in the
 security-considerations of my intentions, but my main question is:
 what are the experiences with the mentioned card  cardreader?

I bought this reader as well after I could not get the pinpad of
Gemalto PC Pinpad USB
Reader 
(http://shop.kernelconcepts.de/product_info.php?cPath=1_26products_id=122)
to work with GnuPG.
It works just fine and (almost) out of the box, at least on Debian
Linux.

Best regards

Hendrik


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Re: Feature request for future OpenPGP card: force PIN

2013-02-08 Thread Werner Koch
On Fri,  8 Feb 2013 11:09, pe...@digitalbrains.com said:

 the same as for the signature key; both are a form of signatures. However, I'm
 not familiar with the rationale for adding the force signature PIN flag.

That is simply a requirement due to the German law about qualified
signatures.  If someone wants to use the OpenPGP card specification to
setup a qualified signature system, this feature is needed. This is not
that I think this will ever be done, but back when we worked out the
specs it seemed to be a good idea to have such a feature.

In any case it is not a security measure because the host may simply
cache the PIN and and silently do a verify command before each sign
operation.  To avoid that simple workaround, a pinpad reader which
filters the VERIFY command would be needed.


Shalom-Salam,

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LiveCD with GPG 2.0.18+

2013-02-08 Thread Niels Laukens
Is there any LiveCD that has GPG 2.0.18 (or higher) on it?

I plan to generate some secret keys to store on a smartcard, and to
backup on a USB device. To minimize the risk of Key compromise, I'd like
to do the key generation on an offline machine.

I could do a regular install for this, and wipe the harddrive after I'm
done, but it would save a lot of work if I could boot off a LiveCD.

But since I'd like to move a 4096bit key to a smartcard, I need 2.0.18
(or higher). Are there LiveCDs that have this version on them?

Thx,
Niels

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Re: LiveCD with GPG 2.0.18+

2013-02-08 Thread Peter Lebbing
 Is there any LiveCD that has GPG 2.0.18 (or higher) on it?

A quick check shows that Knoppix claims to have gnupg2 2.0.19-1 on Knoppix DVD
versions 7.0.4 and 7.0.5. The version number is probably a Debian version 
number.

There are files called dpkg-l-dvd-704.txt and ..705.txt in the DVD mirrors of
Knoppix that give a listing of all installed packages along with version 
numbers.

Note that the CD version does not have GnuPG 2! Only 1.4.x.

Good luck,

Peter.

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Re: More secure than smartcard or cryptostick against remote attacks?

2013-02-08 Thread Faramir
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El 08-02-2013 6:48, Peter Lebbing escribió:
 On 08/02/13 03:12, Josef Schneider wrote:
 With GnuPG on the other hand someone who has access to my PC can
 sign whatever he likes and sign as much as he likes, as long as
 my card reader is attached
 
 Just so you know, the OpenPGP card has a forcesig, force
 signature PIN, flag which you can set so you have to enter the PIN
 for every individual signature. Unfortunately (IMHO), there's no
 such flag for decryption and authentication, which can be done
 multiple times with one PIN entry.

  Maybe it would be interesting to add a big sign button to the pad.
Probably you would not like to enter a PIN for each signature, but
maybe 1 button to press for each signature (after the PIN has been
entered for the first one) would be interesting. Of course, probably
that would require to modify readers and cards, and maybe very few
people would want it.

  Best Regards

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