Re: [META] The issue of the unwelcome CC (please email me if you receive a CC from me)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 1/30/2012 06:09 PM, John Clizbe wrote: I always get a chuckle every time I read someone writing that inline signing is somehow deprecated. Strangely enough, the only place I can find the origination of such an idea is in the PGP/MIME RFC 3156 itself which strikes me as somewhat self-serving. Deprecation is not mentioned in the OpenPGP standard RFC 4880. I use PGP/MIME when I know a mailing list supports it and inline when I know it doesn't. I use PGP/MIME if I know the recipient's MUA supports it, inline otherwise. On the Netiquette part of this thread, I too set a Reply-To header that seems at least one person regularly ignores. Please don't CC me on list replies. One copy is enough. I will not comment on the inline signing issue. I am using the latest version of Mozilla Thunderbird (9.0.1) for my platform. I see your Reply-To header in the message source. In this message window I do NOT see a CC to you. If you do receive a CC of this message, please be so kind as to inform me - I will file a bug report and change email clients in that case. It was my understanding that this bug had been fixed in Thunderbird, but I may be mistaken. I know that in a GNU/Linux user mailing list I have long been signed up for, I will occasionally receive CC's not for replies to my own messages, but for replies where the poster's To: line is to the person to whom they are replying and the message is CC'ed to the list. Chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJPKCQqAAoJEJ6vdel2qM1c+wAP+gN+noRnZdDMJ55QQsZtXIZe wn8z3/rthcBc/pPX60CePRgdJNNqLkP5NQ47qos66uJuRBXJB1+N1INBFf0djtVy qcsKZ9KbVfEpnwngKXJCRgLk4pP1qvLXl+or078GKcE7ASmoe0MaYIlU/o8bLCMR imyUxt8nUseCKZlTYXXY8++uoV10wo3/qBbADKL19EARJ8ogdx2H92E3OEPvm8N9 CSHL6MursG/Mz7Xip6Mi+mQhElDxYfIHcjnAsqQrcop+1SyZYpxTvlYBAQmhjrdE lH6RbcnLO+p0Cj2Q4UYCxSpL8t00aI6pF4adwVAuFLhKhXh4YHHKy5yC7XRN6hXf cylXV9cNHOtFCy12vmmPyDU7M09DbqSfyFEm4YJqF2pYvsz61Kxc6y9gAle0LhMU AFfdqYaFlQBujarSnchTaKFmn4XebrsTTuiiHcOQ4nZGcMXK0ASj+1WZtohV5esY Lr1WFIJTxYZkcvBlm0YAKK72DzMA/QG2rEWjmxzZ7Kcw43LkSzi8YQPsQhYbbovG Gw+rCdPkqbWc3hrq5jI3NkX6m2R9EvLtM/5zQspfpW3ACbpKNInQqhFq/uU/Md3E FBTINrQFjKz4vYu1WEb8qWKMqIwC4mDVK22uxjAsZj2y+0PPiyF/PJUAG8PPdrYH jTQ4JjA7qHM9B9Khr0ir =BqN0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 120131-0, 01/31/2012 Tested on: 1/31/2012 12:26:08 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2012 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: [META] The issue of the unwelcome CC (please email me if you receive a CC from me)
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 12:26:07 -0500 Christopher J. Walters articulated: It was my understanding that this bug had been fixed in Thunderbird, but I may be mistaken. I know that in a GNU/Linux user mailing list I have long been signed up for, I will occasionally receive CC's not for replies to my own messages, but for replies where the poster's To: line is to the person to whom they are replying and the message is CC'ed to the list. I have encounter two individuals, not on this list, who also think it is cute to mail a response directly to the OP and then CC the list. Honestly, some people are alive only because it seems cruel to kill a retard. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ Never forget: 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: [META] The issue of the unwelcome CC (please email me if you receive a CC from me)
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 06:35, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: I have encounter two individuals, not on this list, who also think it is cute to mail a response directly to the OP and then CC the list. Honestly, some people are alive only because it seems cruel to kill a retard. I've done this before (on this list), but only because I had the impression almost everyone else here did it, so I just wanted to go with what I assumed to be expected. I don't think this makes me look like a retard, but rather considerate, since I tried to figure out what appeared to be the netiquette on this very list before posting anything. But thanks for the clarification anyway. Richard ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: [META] The issue of the unwelcome CC (please email me if you receive a CC from me)
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 12:26:07 -0500 Christopher J. Walters articulated: It was my understanding that this bug had been fixed in Thunderbird, but I may be mistaken. I know that in a GNU/Linux user mailing list I have long been signed up for, I will occasionally receive CC's not for replies to my own messages, but for replies where the poster's To: line is to the person to whom they are replying and the message is CC'ed to the list. I have encounter two individuals, not on this list, who also think it is cute to mail a response directly to the OP and then CC the list. Honestly, some people are alive only because it seems cruel to kill a retard. Okay, the harshness of language here has baited me to reply: There's a simple reason people do this, and it's because it is a common choice for large lists, including the Linux family of mailing lists, the Postgres family of mailing lists, and the FreeBSD family of mailing lists, and the GCC mailing lists -- and these are the first four projects I thought of, all of which use the To: OP, CC: The List convention. The common (and entirely valid) use case being that one can filter for mail that is To: them, and not necessarily read *all* mailing list traffic. gnupg-users has a Reply-To convention that is an outlier in that crowd of mailing lists. Were I someone who was expected to respond to mail on this list frequently and the list was of higher volume, I'd find it very frustrating. Nevertheless, it's fine that gnupg-users has its own way of dealing with this, but as long as it is an outlier in this respect, you are going to get the occasional email addressed in this way, from people who otherwise think that somehow the 'reply' fields were actually filled in in error. Also, Message-Id. Getting two copies should be a non-problem. -- fdr ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: [META] The issue of the unwelcome CC (please email me if you receive a CC from me)
On 1/31/2012 6:18 PM, Daniel Farina wrote: Okay, the harshness of language here has baited me to reply: First, thank you for keeping your response civil. I appreciate it a lot. There's a simple reason people do this, and it's because it is a common choice for large lists, including the Linux family of mailing lists, the Postgres family of mailing lists, and the FreeBSD family of mailing lists, and the GCC mailing lists -- and these are the first four projects I thought of, all of which use the To: OP, CC: The List convention. The common (and entirely valid) use case being that one can filter for mail that is To: them, and not necessarily read *all* mailing list traffic. I agree with you. I thought this convention was sufficiently obvious as to not need pointing out. In 20+ years of being on the Net, this is the first time I've ever seen a flamewar erupt over something as ridiculous as whether it's a mark of mental retardation to have on-list and cc responses. With respect to GnuPG's outlier convention, I've never heard of it. I've received both on-list and cc's many, many times in the past. People are, of course, free to request what they want: but this trend of getting angry and furious at people who do not comply seems to me to be a social power-play and I want none of it. Dan Geer had the right approach, I think. He said, politely, that he prefers not to receive a separate cc. I plan on honoring this as far as my memory allows. He didn't tell me that I *must* not, or that I was a 'retard' or a 'moron' if I did so. I don't mind people being argumentative. (I've been accused of being brusque many, many times. Guilty as charged, and unrepentant.) But the level here has gone from good form straight into unsportsmanlike conduct. I'd like it if we could stop that and de-escalate back to our usual level of vigorous, impassioned argument. :) ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
