Re: New GUI frontend for windows
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi On Friday 27 December 2013 at 2:22:25 PM, in mid:425978187.20131227142225@my_localhost, MFPA wrote: I suspect importing keys didn't work for me. I saw no changes in the UI. I think something in my gpg.conf may have been the problem, as it sort of went away shortly after I renamed the file for testing and came back when I renamed the file back. - -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com Don't cry because it is over - smile because it happened -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iPQEAQEKAF4FAlLB4XtXFIAALgAgaXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3Bl bnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldEJBMjM5QjQ2ODFGMUVGOTUxOEU2QkQ0NjQ0 N0VDQTAzAAoJEKipC46tDG5pL+QD/Rlmlghsqm10pyE144WL8NAfd8+Dudh0rhhJ ow5W95Zi4VdEx2HkpqrQoTNwOT/8/doYUdsgnj7co+w3ToHnOWxyGnRlAwlpc0xx hzT1OWrXHq0T3QiY+d1w0GtaWHI9uv5HgmTp62WAcC7+qz4zfE+gILexsoEXTznW vOdTXSlu =aVhZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: New GUI frontend for windows
On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 13:00, je...@seibercom.net said: I certainly don't want to start a flame war here; however, if you are so unequivocally anti proprietary software, then why do you even allow a version of your product to be created that will run on it. That is If you mean why we create software which runs on proprietary operating systems like VMS, AIX, Ultrix, HP/UX, SunOS, Windows, etc. there are two related reasons for it: In the early days of modern free software, there was no computer which entirely runs on free software. A few hackers worked on making that a reality and succeeded by ~1992 by introducing GNU/Linux and freed BSD systems. Unfortunately by that time the major operating system was Windows which was entirely different to the now free Unix systems. To help people, who were forced to use Windows, several software projects were ported to Windows. This helped Windows users to get _some_ freedom back - Mozilla is probably the best known example. If it sometimes sounds like we are all anti-proprietary software, this is likely caused by the rules the GPL camp implies on their software. The goal of the GPL and other copyleft licenses is to keep the software free and avoid a re-proprietarization of it. Salam-Shalom, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Ausnahmen regelt ein Bundesgesetz. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: New GUI frontend for windows
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi On Friday 27 December 2013 at 4:31:08 AM, in mid:snt148-w547fcde5571a61b0d8a430bf...@phx.gbl, Alice Bob wrote: I did try it on XP without noticeable problems. Besides the 'unexpected' behavior, did you have any other issues? The only clickable items are Help, public key, private key, make new keys. At no point do encrypt, verify signature, decrypt, or sign become clickable. When importing keys, there is a Continue option which is clickable, but clicking it appears to do nothing. But the key has the unexpected UID Yes, if you don't specify a name a 'random' one will be chosen for you,this is to ease on two new users that exchange keys The random number makes some sort of sense but in my experience the obviously fake email address is more a curse than a blessing. When I get around to replacing my key, the new one will not have the a@b.c (or any real or fake email address). and will expect a change in the ui when importing a key. I suspect importing keys didn't work for me. I saw no changes in the UI. Why have you chosen not to go with the GnuPG default capabilities: encrypt only for the subkey and sign+certify for the master. Those are the defaults for unattended key generation. Interesting. Are you specifying the key algo as Default or as RSA? If the latter, you can define the usage flags list yourself (but certify is mandatory for the master key). - -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com Why is the universe here? Well, where else would it be? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iPQEAQEKAF4FAlK9jTlXFIAALgAgaXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3Bl bnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldEJBMjM5QjQ2ODFGMUVGOTUxOEU2QkQ0NjQ0 N0VDQTAzAAoJEKipC46tDG5pGK4D/1d7PYiSjpCszNqI5GTwoJ2grt3c5IWdJ2kc oTn/I1j1H/S7ZH45gIZhjK/pVB5aX3LQaH6q74ytuSDJiIV2GuhAtVhl3Nr3NN51 RT1fMqr9qEkHibPaCcjw3KCXvTffmKPdSe54/tSTSsLQoziHyVny/aCPyqWVe99u JSdhs6vB =0DJJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: New GUI frontend for windows
On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 12:50:50 -0500, Robert J. Hansen stated: On 12/25/2013 7:49 AM, Alice Bob wrote: It is closed source, unlimited trialware. (a) If you're asking people to provide feedback and bug reports for closed-source software, you're asking people to help you make a buck without giving them much of anything in return. I find that unethical. I don't find closed-source software unethical, mind you, but if you're going to write closed-source software then, IMO, you need to take responsibility for doing SQA without community assistance. (b) Without source, there's no way I will trust it. (c) The web page asks, Can I trust you?, and you answer it with YES!. Sorry, but no. The only correct answer to Can I trust you? is, You need to figure that out for yourself. In my experience, people who answer that question yes are usually deeply untrustworthy. (d) As a closed-source product, this should not be advocated on GnuPG-Users. GnuPG is a GNU project, and they have some quite serious philosophical beliefs about the moral evils of closed-source software. Let's respect the GNU position by not advocating closed-source software on this list. I certainly don't want to start a flame war here; however, if you are so unequivocally anti proprietary software, then why do you even allow a version of your product to be created that will run on it. That is certainly not a consistent approach. -- Jerry ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: New GUI frontend for windows
On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 19:04:22 -0500, Ryan Sawhill stated: I wanted to create an easy to use gui for GnuPG. Without installing, choosing options, and just working from the get-go. I appreciate your sentiment but I absolutely agree with what everyone else has said. Expecting people to use closed-source crypto software in 2013 would be a little like expecting people to only buy their music (contained in a limited-life wasteful physical container like a CD) in-person at a big chain store.. or to only rent movies in-person at Blockbuster -- namely, unrealistic at best. And as you might have guessed after the first few comments: I can tell you right now you're not going to get anyone subscribed to this list to try it. Ryan Sawhill, lets get something straight. I don't speak for you and you do not speak for me. You are most certainly free to express your own sentiments; however, they are only yours, not mine nor anyone else's. -- Jerry ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: New GUI frontend for windows
On 26-12-2013 13:00, Jerry wrote: I certainly don't want to start a flame war here; however, if you are so unequivocally anti proprietary software, then why do you even allow a version of your product to be created that will run on it. That is certainly not a consistent approach. Most people in the free software world believe in freedom - the freedom to use software as we see fit and to adapt it to our requirements. Not in taking someone else's freedoms away. If someone wants to run GnuPG on windows - that's what you're asking - why should one remove the freedom to do so? As a practical matter, not distributing windows binaries would get Werner many questions for it and for help from people who tried to port / compile it on windows because the demand is there. To prevent such a non-productive situation windows binaries could be distributed as only to prevent all this trouble. Werner has also only 24hours in one day. I'm not saying this is the reason to distribute windows binaries but it would certainly be a practical reason to do so, if no other reasons (like increased security for everyone if the large number of windows users would also be able to use GnuPG). -- Met vriendelijke groet / With kind regards, Johan Wevers PGP/GPG public keys at http://www.xs4all.nl/~johanw/pgpkeys.html ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: New GUI frontend for windows
I really wish people would read my emails before responding to them. I certainly don't want to start a flame war here; however, if you are so unequivocally anti proprietary software... I'm not, as I said in that message -- a part which you quoted, even: I don't find closed-source software unethical, mind you... I also (correctly) attributed the anti-proprietary mindset to GNU, not to me: GnuPG is a GNU project, and they have some quite serious philosophical beliefs about the moral evils of closed-source software. Let's respect the GNU position by not advocating closed-source software on this list. Finally, why do you even allow a version of your product to be created that will run on [proprietary OSes]. GnuPG is not my product. I am not a GnuPG developer. I am not a GnuPG maintainer. I have never contributed one line of code to GnuPG. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: New GUI frontend for windows
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi On Wednesday 25 December 2013 at 10:05:43 PM, in mid:52bb56b7.2090...@dougbarton.us, Doug Barton wrote: Not to mention it's dramatically more difficult (some would argue impossible) to develop trust in a pseudonym. I say it makes no difference whether somebody goes by the name their government recognises, or by a pseudonym chosen by themself (or their friend/colleague/enemy). Unless I am entering into a contract and may be unable to hold them to account without using (or at least knowing) their legal name. - -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com Never trust a dog with orange eyebrows -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iPQEAQEKAF4FAlK8yVRXFIAALgAgaXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3Bl bnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldEJBMjM5QjQ2ODFGMUVGOTUxOEU2QkQ0NjQ0 N0VDQTAzAAoJEKipC46tDG5pBoQD/05UMhuu662VX3agFLR+k4a0kKH9HCA0AK0X 4cOq2hXiCODZ33jPunDvxNZdfHEHSRaQ6zz4rmtVXyKUJp2Wfzxi8CHoSQmXSrN4 u+5Ni7xMRruuz62ewnmMoBlgWtblU/hvDNPKHPQVCwoKzh8c8xRdlzGJvSL4I419 G0taPvVh =IRah -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: New GUI frontend for windows
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi On Wednesday 25 December 2013 at 12:49:47 PM, in mid:snt148-w26880c9e58512b4c8b9112bf...@phx.gbl, Alice Bob wrote: I wanted something to quickly load the key, encrypt the message, and send it away. It is closed source, unlimited trialware. Ty. Maybe you have written this for a newer Windows version than my XP. The only thing I could get Encreep to do was create a new key. The result was a 2048-bit RSA key with a 2048-bit RSA subkey. The subkey is flagged to encrypt, sign, and authenticate, the main key can encrypt, sign, authenticate and certify. Why have you chosen not to go with the GnuPG default capabilities: encrypt only for the subkey and sign+certify for the master. The interface says entering a name, an email address, and a password are optional - I chose not to exercise that option, and got (as expected) a key with an empty passphrase. But the key has the unexpected UID of Alice Bob 4234 m...@example.com. - -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com A closed mouth gathers no foot -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iPQEAQEKAF4FAlK82sRXFIAALgAgaXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3Bl bnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldEJBMjM5QjQ2ODFGMUVGOTUxOEU2QkQ0NjQ0 N0VDQTAzAAoJEKipC46tDG5peU4D/RMj5fQU95Ll2kUOjQajB0ycPSV9mLTImlJ1 hc009maZ55tDMohK1pAPc0QoUh7sRSNg0l81hdrr3TyoBuZZe5rfrTIpJH1ragla 4LqeY1CqCciyuRQUbCMgixQQfqww1JJklwxjRlZ9Qu6mcNYgK4AScMrE4+px9WS7 dhAA2X9y =T+L6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
RE: New GUI frontend for windows
Maybe you have written this for a newer Windows version than my XP.I did try it on XP without noticeable problems. Besides the 'unexpected' behavior, did you have any other issues? But the key has the unexpected UID Yes, if you don't specify a name a 'random' one will be chosen for you,this is to ease on two new users that exchange keys and will expect a change in the ui when importing a key. Why have you chosen not to go with the GnuPG default capabilities: encrypt only for the subkey and sign+certify for the master. Those are the defaults for unattended key generation. Thanks. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
New GUI frontend for windows
I wanted to create an easy to use gui for GnuPG. Without installing, choosing options, and just working from the get-go. I appreciate any feedback (and bugs), you can check it at: https://www.encreep.com The main use case is for encrypting/decrypting, and not identity verification. That is why the trust model is discarded.I feel unless your adversary is a government, getting the public key from a website / email / forum post should be fine (situational trust). I wanted something to quickly load the key, encrypt the message, and send it away. It is closed source, unlimited trialware. Ty. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: New GUI frontend for windows
On 12/25/2013 06:49 AM, Alice Bob wrote: I wanted to create an easy to use gui for GnuPG. Without installing, choosing options, and just working from the get-go. I appreciate any feedback (and bugs), you can check it at: https://www.encreep.com The main use case is for encrypting/decrypting, and not identity verification. That is why the trust model is discarded. I feel unless your adversary is a government, getting the public key from a website / email / forum post should be fine (situational trust). I wanted something to quickly load the key, encrypt the message, and send it away. It is closed source, unlimited trialware. Looks interesting. There's definitely room for improvement in the encryption tools market and Encreep is a move in the right direction. That said, there is no way in hell I would ever use it. Why? It's closed source. With everything going on with the NSA and other agencies these days, someone would have to be insane to use a black box encryption solution. Consider making it open source and I think you might have a winner. Anthony ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: New GUI frontend for windows
On 12/25/2013 7:49 AM, Alice Bob wrote: It is closed source, unlimited trialware. (a) If you're asking people to provide feedback and bug reports for closed-source software, you're asking people to help you make a buck without giving them much of anything in return. I find that unethical. I don't find closed-source software unethical, mind you, but if you're going to write closed-source software then, IMO, you need to take responsibility for doing SQA without community assistance. (b) Without source, there's no way I will trust it. (c) The web page asks, Can I trust you?, and you answer it with YES!. Sorry, but no. The only correct answer to Can I trust you? is, You need to figure that out for yourself. In my experience, people who answer that question yes are usually deeply untrustworthy. (d) As a closed-source product, this should not be advocated on GnuPG-Users. GnuPG is a GNU project, and they have some quite serious philosophical beliefs about the moral evils of closed-source software. Let's respect the GNU position by not advocating closed-source software on this list. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
RE: New GUI frontend for windows
Yep those are all valid points, and the issue of closed source vs open source vs crypto has been discussed many times before encreep, and there is nothing new for me to add on that. I personally use a lot of closed software on my machine, it does not bother me as much. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: New GUI frontend for windows
On 12/25/2013 09:50 AM, Robert J. Hansen wrote: (c) The web page asks, Can I trust you?, and you answer it with YES!. Sorry, but no. The only correct answer to Can I trust you? is, You need to figure that out for yourself. In my experience, people who answer that question yes are usually deeply untrustworthy. Not to mention it's dramatically more difficult (some would argue impossible) to develop trust in a pseudonym. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: New GUI frontend for windows
On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 18:30:29 + Alice Bob cont...@encreep.com wrote: Yep those are all valid points, and the issue of closed source vs open source vs crypto has been discussed many times before encreep, and there is nothing new for me to add on that. I personally use a lot of closed software on my machine, it does not bother me as much. I will never trust a closed source app when it says that it guards my privacy. It's simple -- if you don't know how something works, how can you be sure that it doesn't do things that it shouldn't do? This is unacceptable, especially when it comes to privacy and security. Just think about it -- we can take care of you, and the only one thing you have to do is to trust us. I think NSA said so. :) signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: New GUI frontend for windows
I wanted to create an easy to use gui for GnuPG. Without installing, choosing options, and just working from the get-go. I appreciate your sentiment but I absolutely agree with what everyone else has said. Expecting people to use closed-source crypto software in 2013 would be a little like expecting people to only buy their music (contained in a limited-life wasteful physical container like a CD) in-person at a big chain store.. or to only rent movies in-person at Blockbuster -- namely, unrealistic at best. And as you might have guessed after the first few comments: I can tell you right now you're not going to get anyone subscribed to this list to try it. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
