Re: [Heb-NACO] Birth date

2019-10-29 Thread Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco
Hi Rachel,

Good question. I think that you might want to  post to the PCC-list since I am 
not sure that there is a right or wrong answer as per current documentation.

What you currently see in the NARe is not an inorrect date, it is just an 
uncertain date.

According to DCMZ1 under "Additions and changes to authority records"

Almost as common as the need for a new authority record is the need to alter an 
existing record. New information can be received in various ways (e.g., new 
cataloging, investigation in response to a query) and may be significant enough 
to add to the permanent authority record.
Normally a new reference or a change in the authorized access 
point<http://desktop.loc.gov/search?view=document_action=setdoc_keytype=foliodestination_key=maauth1XX=1XX=coreresources%7Ctrue>
 must be justified by the addition of new 
information<http://desktop.loc.gov/search?view=document_action=setdoc_keytype=foliodestination_key=maauth670=670=coreresources%7Ctrue>
 to the authority record. Many other types of data can be added to the 
authority record when judged useful for proper identification.
In order to minimize the impact of database maintenance with associated 
bibliographic records and/or related authority records, catalogers are urged to 
refrain from making unnecessary changes to 
1XXs<http://desktop.loc.gov/search?view=document_action=setdoc_keytype=foliodestination_key=dcmz11XX=1XX=coreresources%7Ctrue>.
 Although there are guidelines in the RDA instructions and/or LC-PCC PSs that 
indicate when changes are or are not necessary, the necessity for other changes 
may be evident only to the agency making the change (for example, to break a 
conflict when the searching universe for the changing agency and the agency 
observing the change are different). Assume that such changes are valid.
Change an authority record when an error in the authorized access point or in a 
variant access point is discovered. When the published work for an item 
cataloged through the CIP program shows a change in the form of name of a 
person, corporate body, preferred title, or series, change the authority 
record; add the published source after the CIP source in the 670 
field<http://desktop.loc.gov/search?view=document_action=setdoc_keytype=foliodestination_key=maauth670=670=coreresources%7Ctrue>
 to document the change. Changes in the imprint date, choice of a primary 
access point, and title proper do not require changes to authority records 
created for CIP items.

You don't have an error so potentially you could add the new information in a 
670 and 046 without modifying the heading. Is that what should be done here? I 
don't know but it might be something that the new PCC  group that was recently 
announced (that will provide decisions and responses posted to quriees posted 
to the PCClist I can't remember exactly when this group was announced or who 
was on it). So you might want to post your query there as well.

Just my thoughts. Best, Heidi



Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu


From: Heb-naco  on behalf of Rachel Simon via 
Heb-naco 
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 7:32 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Birth date


If when creating a NAR we had only the Hebrew year (and thus had to give x or y 
Gregorian years) but later got the exact birth date, can we fix the NAR to give 
only the appropriate year?



Thanks,



Rachel
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Re: [Heb-NACO] Birth date

2019-10-29 Thread Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco
if you don't subscribe already to the Pcclist it can be found at:

https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/discussion.html
Discussion Lists - Program for Cooperative Cataloging (Library of 
Congress)<https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/discussion.html>
The PCC Secretariat maintains the following e-mail discussion lists to 
communicate with PCC participants, distribute policy announcements, provide 
operational information, announce the availability of reports, training 
materials, and meeting agendas, and much more. Find out who is eligible to join 
...
www.loc.gov



Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu


From: Rachel Simon 
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 11:31 AM
To: Heidi G Lerner ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: RE: Birth date


Hi Heidi,



Thanks for your suggestions.



The full date already appears in a 678 field, but the 046 remains with two 
years.



Since we are allowed to close dates (namely, add death date when only birth 
date is in the 100), I don’t think this case is that much different.



What is the address  of the PCC-list?



Thanks,



Rachel



From: Heidi G Lerner [mailto:ler...@stanford.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 1:50 PM
To: Rachel Simon; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: Birth date



Hi Rachel,



Good question. I think that you might want to  post to the PCC-list since I am 
not sure that there is a right or wrong answer as per current documentation.



What you currently see in the NARe is not an inorrect date, it is just an 
uncertain date.



According to DCMZ1 under "Additions and changes to authority records"



Almost as common as the need for a new authority record is the need to alter an 
existing record. New information can be received in various ways (e.g., new 
cataloging, investigation in response to a query) and may be significant enough 
to add to the permanent authority record.

Normally a new reference or a change in the authorized access 
point<http://desktop.loc.gov/search?view=document_action=setdoc_keytype=foliodestination_key=maauth1XX=1XX=coreresources%7Ctrue>
 must be justified by the addition of new 
information<http://desktop.loc.gov/search?view=document_action=setdoc_keytype=foliodestination_key=maauth670=670=coreresources%7Ctrue>
 to the authority record. Many other types of data can be added to the 
authority record when judged useful for proper identification.

In order to minimize the impact of database maintenance with associated 
bibliographic records and/or related authority records, catalogers are urged to 
refrain from making unnecessary changes to 
1XXs<http://desktop.loc.gov/search?view=document_action=setdoc_keytype=foliodestination_key=dcmz11XX=1XX=coreresources%7Ctrue>.
 Although there are guidelines in the RDA instructions and/or LC-PCC PSs that 
indicate when changes are or are not necessary, the necessity for other changes 
may be evident only to the agency making the change (for example, to break a 
conflict when the searching universe for the changing agency and the agency 
observing the change are different). Assume that such changes are valid.

Change an authority record when an error in the authorized access point or in a 
variant access point is discovered. When the published work for an item 
cataloged through the CIP program shows a change in the form of name of a 
person, corporate body, preferred title, or series, change the authority 
record; add the published source after the CIP source in the 670 
field<http://desktop.loc.gov/search?view=document_action=setdoc_keytype=foliodestination_key=maauth670=670=coreresources%7Ctrue>
 to document the change. Changes in the imprint date, choice of a primary 
access point, and title proper do not require changes to authority records 
created for CIP items.



You don't have an error so potentially you could add the new information in a 
670 and 046 without modifying the heading. Is that what should be done here? I 
don't know but it might be something that the new PCC  group that was recently 
announced (that will provide decisions and responses posted to quriees posted 
to the PCClist I can't remember exactly when this group was announced or who 
was on it). So you might want to post your query there as well.



Just my thoughts. Best, Heidi





Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu





From: Heb-naco  on behalf of Rachel Simon via 
Heb-naco 
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 7:32 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Birth date



If when creating a NAR we had only the Hebrew year (and thus had to give x or y 
Gregorian years) but la

Re: [Heb-NACO] Birth date

2019-10-29 Thread Joan Biella via Heb-naco
We used to say, if a heading is not WRONG, don’t change it, because of the
incalculable number of physical catalog cards that would have to be
manually changed to match.  Perhaps in the digital era we should forget
this?

Joan


On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 10:06 AM Rachel Simon via Heb-naco <
heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> wrote:

> If when creating a NAR we had only the Hebrew year (and thus had to give x
> or y Gregorian years) but later got the exact birth date, can we fix the
> NAR to give only the appropriate year?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Rachel
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[Heb-NACO] Birth date

2019-10-29 Thread Rachel Simon via Heb-naco
If when creating a NAR we had only the Hebrew year (and thus had to give x or y 
Gregorian years) but later got the exact birth date, can we fix the NAR to give 
only the appropriate year?

Thanks,

Rachel
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