Re: [Heb-NACO] geo. subdivision for Eruv
Thank you, Reb Kuperman, your insights have been most helpful! Apologies for violating the halakha of avoiding cataloging philosophy talk on Erev Shabbos ☺. Kol tuv, Jasmin From: Kuperman, Aaron [mailto:a...@loc.gov] Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 10:46 AM To: Shinohara, Jasmin Cc: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel (heb-naco@lists.osu.edu) Subject: RE: [Heb-NACO] geo. subdivision for Eruv But “Eruv” is clearly a “Jewish law” heading, so a book “Eruv--Jerusalem” would be on the halachic problems of building an eruv there as opposed to New York (e.g. building an eruv in a walled city, building an eruv in a city with over 60 Jews, etc.). This gets you into two issues. First, “Jewish law” headings do not subdivide geographically since halacha is the same everywhere, so perhaps there should be separate headings for “Eruv (Jewish law)” and “Eruv” the physical construction. Second, since an Eruv is a type of building how does it relate both to the LCSH rules for buildings (meaning it should be in the plural, and if “Eruv” can be found in English reference sources that plural might arguably(has ve-shalom) be “Eruvs”, cf Agunahs), and also getting it to fit into the infamous “Division of the world” memo. Of course, without a proposal, and treating the current heading as “inherently legal” meaning it refers to the halachos of an Eruv, one could create a heading “Eruv—Social aspects—[place]” under current rules. This resolve the problem, distinguishes halachic from historical/sociological works, and avoids excessive amounts of philosophy (should I advocate a halacha that one should avoid cataloging philosophy on Erev Shabbos☺). Aaron Kuperman, LC Law Cataloging Section. This is not an official communication from my employer From: Shinohara, Jasmin Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 10:23 AM To: Kuperman, Aaron ; 'Joan Biella' ; 'Hebrew Name Authority Funnel' Subject: RE: [Heb-NACO] geo. subdivision for Eruv Good question, Aaron. The title is Toldot ha-ʻeruv bi-Yerushalayim (original bib forthcoming post-BIBCO review), a multi-vol. publ. Dec. 2016- by Ohel Binyamin le-Torah ule-ḥokhmat Yiśraʼel (Yerushalayim). Given the content, my gut reaction was to give a 650 Eruv – Jerusalem – History, but no such luck. Indeed, there is no Eruv—History heading to be found anywhere, though, as Joan said, perhaps there hasn’t been literary warrant till now. For now I’ve assigned Eruv ǂx History Sabbath (Jewish law) Jerusalem ǂx Religious life and customs But I do wish I could be more specific. There are numerous titles in LC’s database discussing the ‘eruv of Brooklyn, but folks got around it by assigning the above three subjects (though the titles aren’t histories, so just Eruv, without |x History, and Borough Park instead of Jerusalem). A title about the ‘eruv in Har Nof used a 610 for the Va’ad ha-‘eruv shekhunat Har Nof (Jerusalem). There is no mention anywhere in my work of a “va’ad ha-‘eruv” of Yerushalayim, so I’m not concerned about the need for a 610. Given the preponderance of works on the Brooklyn ‘eruv, is there a reason no one thought to make Eruv geographically subdivide-able? Thanks, Jasmin ___ Heb-naco mailing list Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco
Re: [Heb-NACO] geo. subdivision for Eruv
Good question, Aaron. The title is Toldot ha-ʻeruv bi-Yerushalayim (original bib forthcoming post-BIBCO review), a multi-vol. publ. Dec. 2016- by Ohel Binyamin le-Torah ule-ḥokhmat Yiśraʼel (Yerushalayim). Given the content, my gut reaction was to give a 650 Eruv – Jerusalem – History, but no such luck. Indeed, there is no Eruv—History heading to be found anywhere, though, as Joan said, perhaps there hasn’t been literary warrant till now. For now I’ve assigned Eruv ǂx History Sabbath (Jewish law) Jerusalem ǂx Religious life and customs But I do wish I could be more specific. There are numerous titles in LC’s database discussing the ‘eruv of Brooklyn, but folks got around it by assigning the above three subjects (though the titles aren’t histories, so just Eruv, without |x History, and Borough Park instead of Jerusalem). A title about the ‘eruv in Har Nof used a 610 for the Va’ad ha-‘eruv shekhunat Har Nof (Jerusalem). There is no mention anywhere in my work of a “va’ad ha-‘eruv” of Yerushalayim, so I’m not concerned about the need for a 610. Given the preponderance of works on the Brooklyn ‘eruv, is there a reason no one thought to make Eruv geographically subdivide-able? Thanks, Jasmin From: Kuperman, Aaron [mailto:a...@loc.gov] Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 6:09 AM To: 'Joan Biella'; 'Hebrew Name Authority Funnel'; Shinohara, Jasmin Subject: RE: [Heb-NACO] geo. subdivision for Eruv What is the book? Would an individual eruv, e.g. the Baltimore eruv, be a 110 or a 151, rather than a 150. In the authority file? Thinking of Baltimore, the Baltimore eruv would probably be a corporate body (it has officers, publishes a guide book, etc.), and the Baltimore eruv directory would not warrant a heading for “Eruv” but would get a heading for “Jews—Maryland—Baltimore Region”. Aaron Kuperman, LC Law Cataloging Section. This is not an official communication from my employer From: Heb-naco On Behalf Of Joan Biella via Heb-naco Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 11:03 PM To: Shinohara, Jasmin ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] geo. subdivision for Eruv Perhaps no one thought there was “literary warrant” before. Make a case to the policy folks! Joan Sent from my iPad On Feb 28, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote: Hi, the LCSH term Eruv is not geographically sub-dividable, while the LCSH term Mikvah is. Do we know why the discrepancy? Is it possible to change the designation for Eruv? Thanks, Jasmin --- Jasmin Shinohara Hebraica Cataloging Librarian University of Pennsylvania Van Pelt-Dietrich Library Center 3420 Walnut Street Philadelphia, PA 19104-6206 T. 215-746-6397 jsh...@upenn.edu<mailto:jsh...@upenn.edu> ___ Heb-naco mailing list Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu<mailto:Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco ___ Heb-naco mailing list Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco
Re: [Heb-NACO] geo. subdivision for Eruv
But “Eruv” is clearly a “Jewish law” heading, so a book “Eruv--Jerusalem” would be on the halachic problems of building an eruv there as opposed to New York (e.g. building an eruv in a walled city, building an eruv in a city with over 60 Jews, etc.). This gets you into two issues. First, “Jewish law” headings do not subdivide geographically since halacha is the same everywhere, so perhaps there should be separate headings for “Eruv (Jewish law)” and “Eruv” the physical construction. Second, since an Eruv is a type of building how does it relate both to the LCSH rules for buildings (meaning it should be in the plural, and if “Eruv” can be found in English reference sources that plural might arguably(has ve-shalom) be “Eruvs”, cf Agunahs), and also getting it to fit into the infamous “Division of the world” memo. Of course, without a proposal, and treating the current heading as “inherently legal” meaning it refers to the halachos of an Eruv, one could create a heading “Eruv—Social aspects—[place]” under current rules. This resolve the problem, distinguishes halachic from historical/sociological works, and avoids excessive amounts of philosophy (should I advocate a halacha that one should avoid cataloging philosophy on Erev Shabbos☺). Aaron Kuperman, LC Law Cataloging Section. This is not an official communication from my employer From: Shinohara, Jasmin Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 10:23 AM To: Kuperman, Aaron ; 'Joan Biella' ; 'Hebrew Name Authority Funnel' Subject: RE: [Heb-NACO] geo. subdivision for Eruv Good question, Aaron. The title is Toldot ha-ʻeruv bi-Yerushalayim (original bib forthcoming post-BIBCO review), a multi-vol. publ. Dec. 2016- by Ohel Binyamin le-Torah ule-ḥokhmat Yiśraʼel (Yerushalayim). Given the content, my gut reaction was to give a 650 Eruv – Jerusalem – History, but no such luck. Indeed, there is no Eruv—History heading to be found anywhere, though, as Joan said, perhaps there hasn’t been literary warrant till now. For now I’ve assigned Eruv ǂx History Sabbath (Jewish law) Jerusalem ǂx Religious life and customs But I do wish I could be more specific. There are numerous titles in LC’s database discussing the ‘eruv of Brooklyn, but folks got around it by assigning the above three subjects (though the titles aren’t histories, so just Eruv, without |x History, and Borough Park instead of Jerusalem). A title about the ‘eruv in Har Nof used a 610 for the Va’ad ha-‘eruv shekhunat Har Nof (Jerusalem). There is no mention anywhere in my work of a “va’ad ha-‘eruv” of Yerushalayim, so I’m not concerned about the need for a 610. Given the preponderance of works on the Brooklyn ‘eruv, is there a reason no one thought to make Eruv geographically subdivide-able? Thanks, Jasmin ___ Heb-naco mailing list Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco
Re: [Heb-NACO] geo. subdivision for Eruv
What is the book? Would an individual eruv, e.g. the Baltimore eruv, be a 110 or a 151, rather than a 150. In the authority file? Thinking of Baltimore, the Baltimore eruv would probably be a corporate body (it has officers, publishes a guide book, etc.), and the Baltimore eruv directory would not warrant a heading for “Eruv” but would get a heading for “Jews—Maryland—Baltimore Region”. Aaron Kuperman, LC Law Cataloging Section. This is not an official communication from my employer From: Heb-naco On Behalf Of Joan Biella via Heb-naco Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 11:03 PM To: Shinohara, Jasmin ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] geo. subdivision for Eruv Perhaps no one thought there was “literary warrant” before. Make a case to the policy folks! Joan Sent from my iPad On Feb 28, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote: Hi, the LCSH term Eruv is not geographically sub-dividable, while the LCSH term Mikvah is. Do we know why the discrepancy? Is it possible to change the designation for Eruv? Thanks, Jasmin --- Jasmin Shinohara Hebraica Cataloging Librarian University of Pennsylvania Van Pelt-Dietrich Library Center 3420 Walnut Street Philadelphia, PA 19104-6206 T. 215-746-6397 jsh...@upenn.edu<mailto:jsh...@upenn.edu> ___ Heb-naco mailing list Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu<mailto:Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco ___ Heb-naco mailing list Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco
Re: [Heb-NACO] geo. subdivision for Eruv
Perhaps no one thought there was “literary warrant” before. Make a case to the policy folks! Joan Sent from my iPad > On Feb 28, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco > wrote: > > Hi, the LCSH term Eruv is not geographically sub-dividable, while the LCSH > term Mikvah is. Do we know why the discrepancy? Is it possible to change the > designation for Eruv? > > Thanks, Jasmin > > --- > Jasmin Shinohara > Hebraica Cataloging Librarian > University of Pennsylvania > Van Pelt-Dietrich Library Center > 3420 Walnut Street > Philadelphia, PA 19104-6206 > T. 215-746-6397 > jsh...@upenn.edu > > ___ > Heb-naco mailing list > Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco ___ Heb-naco mailing list Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco
[Heb-NACO] geo. subdivision for Eruv
Hi, the LCSH term Eruv is not geographically sub-dividable, while the LCSH term Mikvah is. Do we know why the discrepancy? Is it possible to change the designation for Eruv? Thanks, Jasmin --- Jasmin Shinohara Hebraica Cataloging Librarian University of Pennsylvania Van Pelt-Dietrich Library Center 3420 Walnut Street Philadelphia, PA 19104-6206 T. 215-746-6397 jsh...@upenn.edu ___ Heb-naco mailing list Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco
