[IMail Forum] Colo Sold

[Gary Brumm]

Hello Everyone,

I sold the collocation portion of by business last year and so in an 
effort to reduce my incoming email flow I am
going to unsubscribe to the Imail and Declude lists.  I just wanted 
to thank everyone for their help all of these years
(Sanford, Travis, and many others).  This list help solve problems 
more times than I can count.

All the best to you guys in the new year!

Cheers,

Gary Brumm

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RE: [IMail Forum] OT: Office 2003 Installation for Multiple Users

[Gary Brumm]

Hi Travis,

As long as you install MS Office as the administrator initially it 
only takes a few seconds to set up the new users individual profile 
on first use.
As SJ correctly points out OpenOffice is not a good solution in a 
business situation where you are exchanging documents with the outside world.
It's only advantage is that it is free but that's about it. I have 
had a couple of small clients try it and they all switched back to MS 
Office quickly.


Gary


At 09:32 AM 8/15/2007, you wrote:

OpenOffice'd be great if it was completely compatible with what the rest of
the world uses...  I've tried on several occasions and saving something as
MS document so someone else can see it wipes out any special formatting
every single time.



--SJ



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How about downloading openoffice instead of playing this game?



Regards,



Bill Foresman

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850-656-2644



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All,



  Is it possible to install Office 2003 Pro on a shared workstation so that
each user that logs onto that machine is not prompted to enter their
initials and to setup Word or whichever office program they run for the
first time?  I would imagine this is possible but I can't seem to find
anything pointing to Office 2003 in particular.



Thank in Advance,



Travis




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Re: [IMail Forum] Windows NT server to Linux server

[Gary Brumm]

www.croftssoftware.com has a free password decoder for Imail but if
you have a lot of users 
you will probably want something that generates a report.

At 12:03 PM 8/18/2006, you wrote:
I am in the process
of moving from Imail to a Linux box...how do you transfer all the
usernames and passwords to the new box?
Richard Farris
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Crossroads to a Cleaner Internet

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RE: [IMail Forum] Amazing IPSwitch Problems

[Gary Brumm]

Confusion?? .seems pretty clear what is going on.he called
and explained the situation, you told him he was screwed, 
and now you are trying to do some public damage control...too little too
late as usual...unbelievable..

At 01:30 PM 12/5/2005, you wrote:
hi
steve,

sorry about the confusion - demand has been
high and channel (and CDW too) ran out of inventory.

if you are still interested, please call me
directly (781.676.5739) and i'll take care of it.

bye for now,

kg


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Subject: [IMail Forum] Amazing IPSwitch Problems


This is really amazing; the recent
special to renew the imail service agreement caught my attention and it
seemed like ipswitch was finally interested in providing a product that
was not simply about trying to screwing existing customers. So, based on
the information in this newsletter, and discussions with ipswitch I
decided to take advantage of the offer and purchase a new service
agreement. I purchased from ?Jenny? at CDW as recommended here. BIG
MISTAKE. She somehow managed to sit on my order until the offer expired,
then informed me that the product had been discontinued! I even have
documentation confirming my purchase on 11/23.





So I called ipswitch to see what they
could do ? well, they said the product no longer exist (a service
agreement mind you!) but they would be happy to sell me the latest
?cross-grade? at a 25% discount. I was absolutely amazed that ipswitch
would not honor the original offer. I had provided them with supporting
documentation showing that I had in fact purchased the service agreement
from CDW on 11/23 and CDW screwed up the order, but they still refuse to
honor the original offer. They even believed they were doing me some sort
of favor by offering me a discounted cross-grade. Anyhow, it really felt
like a bait and switch job and had I been unsure, that conversation
convinced me that I do not want to purchase anything ipswitch going
forward.





Hey ipswitch: I have rarely seen such
poor customer relations. I am now convinced that I do not want to use any
ipswitch products going forward. So, ip you have lost me as a customer,
which probably doesn?t matter to you since I am a small customer, but
realize that I am out there working as a network / software consulting
company and a lot of big companies happen to be clients; you can bet I
will never recommend another ipwsitch product.





Anybody have any good recommendations
for an imail replacement?





Sincerely,





SteveWheeler




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Re: [IMail Forum] Declude - the way to go?

[Gary Brumm]

We have used the Declude SPAM and Virus products with Imail for many
years and are very happy with it. 
Their support has been excellent as well (especially when Scott was still
around). It is well worth the money.
Gary

At 06:10 PM 7/12/2005, you wrote:
Were
looking into 'out sourcing' the SPAM filtering from Imails Admin
interface - to Declude. I know a lot of you guys/gals use Declude -
would you use them again given the opportunity? Are their other
competitors to consider? How well has the service provided for you
and your users?

Thanks for any input - we just can't seem to
get our SPAM process controlled - we think Declude will do the job for
us


Chris Mechsner

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Re: [IMail Forum] Completely OT: Share Contacts, Tasks, Calendar in Outlook without Exchange?

[Gary Brumm]

We use WorkGroupShare (www.workgroupshare.com) and are happy with it.  It's 
the same software that is bundled with
IMail Colaboration Suite but you aren't forced to pay Ipswitch for all the 
extra bundled stuff you don't need (or want).  It starts at
around $150 for 5 users so it is really cost effective.  Unfortunately some 
kind of 3rd party software is needed to do what you want.


Cheers,

Gary

At 09:36 PM 6/23/2005, you wrote:
Is there a way to share contacts, calendars, and tasks in Outlook without 
using Exchange.  With or without a Domain?  I've looked at OfficeCalendar 
and 4Team.  Is there a way to do it without 3rd party software at all?


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Re: [IMail Forum] Short survery

[Gary Brumm]

At 05:21 AM 4/23/2005, you wrote:
We are researching ideas for future version of IMail and would like some 
feedback on web servers.

1) Do you currently Run IIS or Apache?  If so, which one?
IIS
2) If IMail required a web server, which would you prefer:  a proprietary 
web server shipped with IMail, IIS or Apache?
IIS
3) Would it be a problem if IMail required IIS?
No
4) Would it be a problem if IMail required the .Net framework?
Prefer it not to unless there was a real good reason
5) Would it be a problem if IMail required PHP?
Prefer it not to unless there was a real good reason

Thanks in advance for your input,
Tripp Allen
Software Development Manager, Messaging
Ipswitch, Inc.
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Re: [IMail Forum] Shared Calendar...?

[Gary Brumm]

You might try WorkGroupShare at workgroupshare .com . It is the
same software they bundle in ICS but you aren't forced to pay
foe a 250 user license + a lot of other crap you don't need. It
starts at $150 for 5 users and is really easy to set up. There is a
30 day demo download.

At 11:40 AM 3/30/2005, you wrote:

We currently use Imail to host
over 100 domains and a couple of thousand email addresses.

A client is inquiring about the
feasibility of a shared calendar. I know ICS offers this
functionality now, but is also bloated with other features I
don't want. I am exploring my options.

1. Can my Imail work as-is for
existing customers and I just buy ICS for say 50 users for this
particular client -- or would this not work, and I'd need a completely
different server to run this ICS version of Imail on.

2. Do any of you utilize any
other 3rd part solutions, which would allow a shared calendar and if so,
how well do they work.

3. Are there any other
products/factors I should consider that I have not mentioned

Thanks,
Jim

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RE: [IMail Forum] reverse DNS

[Gary Brumm]

At 07:35 AM 3/25/2005, you wrote:
 You can not change the way others choose to run their business, but you
 may have to adapt the way you look at things to allow your customers to
 be happy with your service.
I think this is a statement that this whole argument surrounds.
Professionally and morally, I have no right to dictate the way some one does
something. All I can do is clearly state this is the way I do things. Others
(co-workers, clients, competitors, family, friends, etc.) can either accept
or reject my way. I can then react to their reactions. (If all/many reject
my way, I can change it.)
There are 2 groups of people posting on this thread: Those that want to
dictate what others do; Those that accept and/or adapt to what others do.
Good point John.  Our (my) philosophy is simple.  I want to keep my 
customers complaints
to a minimum.  This reduces the support load and keeps our clients 
happy.  It's a win/win
situation.  We give weight to RDNS but don't block on that alone.  If 
someone else wants
to block on the basis of a RDNS test alone that's between them and their 
customers.  We
only process around 10,000 messages a day but complaints about email 
delivery to (or from)
us are almost nonexistent.  When we do get a complaint we work with the 
sender and get the
problem resolved.  We make sure the customer understands the problem 
(weather it's on our
end or another ISP's).  All of our customers are business users so we are 
very concerned about
having email get through.  Our customers (docters,lawyers,ect.) are more 
concerned that
messages are being delivered than they are about receiving SPAM.  The level 
of SPAM that
gets by our servers is so small that clients rarely complain.  That said 
there is always room
for improvement :-).

Cheers,
Gary

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Re: [IMail Forum] Spam Filter Options for I-mail

[Gary Brumm]

The only problem I see with this is that if a user gets 100 SPAMs a day he
will receive 100 SPAM notifications a day and that would be just as annoying.
Gary
At 08:12 AM 3/25/2005, you wrote:
We currently have Declude running with I-mail 8.15.  For the most part, we
are pretty happy with it.  However, I would like to set up a Spam solution I
will describe below, and I'm just wondering if anyone has heard of something
like that, that will work with I-mail:
My cable Internet ISP I have does this, and I love how it works.  They have
Spam filters on their end that scan incoming e-mails.  If they catch an
e-mail they consider as Spam, it is set aside in another folder under their
e-mail account on the server (called MySpam).  An e-mail is then
automatically sent to them telling them that they have potential Junk mail.
They then clink on a link in the e-mail(myspam.domain.com) that takes them
to their Spam folder on their version of Web mail.  If the e-mails is legit,
they can check box to allow the e-mail to be sent to their Main folder.  It
then automatically whitelists that e-mail address for that person, so that
anything in the future from that e-mail bypasses the spam filters.  If the
e-mail in the MySpam folder is spam, they can just delete it.  I love the
idea of having the User decide what is Spam, not the Spam filter.
If anyone has heard of or knows a Spam program like that (preferably that is
compatible with I-mail) could you please let me know.  We need a solution to
work with about 10 domains we host, and about 800 total e-mail addresses.
I know this is probably the wrong place to ask, but if there is nothing for
I-mail, is there another E-mail server program that has that function?
Thank you for your input.
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Re: [IMail Forum] Even consultants don't understand origin of SPAM

[Gary Brumm]

There are two *easy* solutions to his problem:
1. Use SBC's (free) SMTP servers
2. If you contact SBC and request that they remove the block...they will! 
(as long as you don't become a problem by abusing port25).
The author obviously did absolutely no research before writing this.

At 11:02 AM 3/25/2005, you wrote:
I was flipping through the new issue of NetworkWorld that arrived in the 
mail today and the columnist/consultant that has the column on the back 
page called BackSpin is an absolute idiot!  Someone needs to warn him 
not to run with sissors.

Here is the link to the full article:
http://www.nwfusion.com/columnists/2005/032105backspin.html
Her are some selected quotes.

...A few weeks ago the school called me because their e-mail services had 
suddenly stopped working: Although they could receive e-mail, no one could 
send anything...

...I went back to the school and started trying to figure out what was 
going on. A bit of poking around revealed that no servers on the Internet 
could be contacted on Port 25, the port used for SMTP. Obviously, Port 25 
was being blocked . . . but why?

No, surely not . . . but there it was: A Google search revealed that 
http://www.nwfusion.com/news/financial/sbc.htmlSBC, the school's DSL 
provider, had decided, in its wisdom, to stem the flow of spam by blocking 
SMTP!...

...This has to be one of the most ill-conceived anti-spam tactics I've 
come across. SBC seems to have hardly thought through the issues...

...But worst of all, not only was the blocking plan badly executed, it 
also would hardly be a deterrent for serious spammers - they would just 
use a different port to transfer mail to a remote mail server...
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With morons like this advising people is it any wonder that we have a problem?
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RE: [IMail Forum] reverse DNS

[Gary Brumm]

Can't your clients who insist on hosting their own email server on a DSL or 
cable line just use the ISP's
SMTP server (which should have a proper RDNS record) and get on with their 
lives?  They can still
retrieve their email from their Exchange (or whatever) serverwhy do the 
NEED to send through it for
outgoing messages?

At 08:25 AM 3/24/2005, you wrote:
I'm not going to comment further on this than to make this final
rebuttal. Certainly this issue bears some further discussion but here is
not the correct forum and I'm sure none of us has the time for much more
of it...
As I mentioned I represent a significant number of small businesses. To
them the price difference is significant. I'd LOVE for them all to ante
up and spend for a T-1 or other high-grade data circuit but it won't
happen. Others have already made the point that there is NO RFC out
there that specifies what connection type is better than another. Even
blanket blocking dynamic ips in general doesn't sit well with me. I
choose to have scripts that analyse our mail logs and any IP that
generates spam (theoretically dynamic or otherwise) more than 5 messages
in a day is added to an internal blacklist never to be heard from again.
The list of ips is getting larger on the order of a thousand a day but
at least this way I can justify why someone gets rejected rather than
saying well...this RBL said I should.
As far as IT stragegy. The strategy most of these small businesses
implement is hiring a hopefully qualified consultant or consulting
company to get them set up and running. Admittedly we're called in in
many cases after a so-called competent vendor set up a system that
relays etc etc but still after they are set up properly they are just
like any good netizen and deserve to be treated as such. Certainly the
systems we install ourselves do not relay and for someone to say
something like if you live in a crime infested neightborhood just
accept getting shot at belies a rather arrogant attitude toward the
people who care and do it right the first time around. Making up your
own standards as you go along is rather Microsoft. Show me the RFC that
says it's OK to block these people and then we'll talk.
(stepping off soapbox and going back about my business).
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Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] reverse DNS
.to blanket
exclude DSL connections as not hosting class
hosting often means a hosting provider who has put in place, at great
$$$, all the infrastructure, including the WAN links, to assure
continuous service and/or shortest, infrequent service interruptions.
  certainly puts an unfair
burden on the huge number of small businesses out there.
If an individual or small org, very probably without the competence to
run a mailserver and DNS, wants to risk his mail/DNS service on a cable
or DSL WAN link which have no SLA, that's his choice.
  Heck I pay for
business class cable at home for $80/month but my provide wont offer
rdns at that price/package point. I'm still static IP though and I host
my own email. It's properly configured and does not spam. Why should I
be excluded?
There's no need to be excluded, just relay your outbound through an IP
which does not have a subscriber-style PTR.
If you are in crime-dominated PTR neighborhood, expect to get shot at.
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RE: [IMail Forum] reverse DNS

[Gary Brumm]

If you use the DSL providers SMTP service (free with any decent DSL 
connection) for outgoing mail
isn't the problem solved?  When SBC started blocking port 25 we just 
switched our Exchange customers
outgoing mail to use smtp.sbcglobal.net (or whatever)...problem solved and 
no RDNS issues.  Collaboration
and incoming still work and no outgoing blocking (unless your ISP's server 
gets blocked for some reason).
Please let me know if I'm missing something here.

At 12:41 PM 3/24/2005, you wrote:
Scott,
I never recommended wholesale blocking of all DSL lines. In fact, I even
stated that I myself used an SDSL line! See Mike K's well written response
to your post. He hit the nail on the head. You are putting words in my mouth
that I never used, nor would I use. This is about RDNS/IP issues, not the
method of transport itself, although I still question one's ability to
manage a stable mail server on an ADSL connection. Quite honestly, if a
commercial ADSL line is set up and labeled properly, I would never know
whether it was ADSL, a T1 or an OC3.
William Van Hefner
Network Administrator
Vantek Communications, Inc.
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Perry
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 Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] reverse DNS



 In the end, you get what you pay for. Those running ADSL
 will have to
 expect that some of their mail will get blocked, just as
 they have to
 expect that support will likely not be as good as they would
 get with a
 more reliable circuit.

 And anyone that has a mailserver outside of a datacenter has
 to expect that
 some of their mail will get blocked.  Even those in a datacenter
 occasionally will have their mail blocked.

 It's funny, though, that this becomes such an issue on this
 list.  Outside
 of this list, I can't recall ever having heard of anyone
 saying Yes, I
 block E-mail from DSL lines.

 Now that I think about it, even on this list, I believe there
 are only two
 people on this list who believe that the wholesale blocking
 of DSL lines is
 OK.  You and Len.
  -Scott


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RE: [IMail Forum] reverse DNS

[Gary Brumm]

Scott, I think you may have misunderstood my position on the issue.  I 
don't want to block anyone based only on the fact
that their RDNS doesn't look quite right to me.  We use (your) weighted 
tests and are very happy with the results.  We might
however want a customer to use their ISP's SMTP server if they have trouble 
sending to another server that rejects their mail
based only in this single criteria (not a smart thing for anyone to do in 
my opinion).  That said...I agree with you!

At 03:10 PM 3/24/2005, you wrote:
If you use the DSL providers SMTP service (free with any decent DSL 
connection) for outgoing mail
isn't the problem solved?
The problem is what you and the 2 others aren't saying:  you're avoiding 
saying I do not want to receive E-mail from low cost business class 
Internet connections.

JUST SAY IT!
If I start blocking all E-mail from mailservers that have mail in the 
name, it would be stupid for me to keep repeating the mantra It's OK, 
people can just change their mailserver from mail.example.com to 
goodmail.example.com, it's cheap, it's easy, and it will let them send 
mail to me!.  That may be true, but it is irrelevant.

You're saying that there is something inherently wrong with reverse DNS 
entries that have an IP in them.  You're doing so in order to slack off 
and use a cheap, broken anti-spam test rather than a good, thorough one.  :)

When SBC started blocking port 25 we just switched our Exchange customers
outgoing mail to use smtp.sbcglobal.net (or whatever)...problem solved 
and no RDNS issues.
FWIW, I've found that about 1/2 the people that block based on funny 
reverse DNS entries also block some/many/all ISP mailservers.
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RE: [IMail Forum] reverse DNS

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At 03:13 PM 3/24/2005, you wrote:
If you use the DSL providers SMTP service (free with any decent DSL
connection) for outgoing mail
isn't the problem solved?  When SBC started blocking port 25 we just
switched our Exchange customers
outgoing mail to use smtp.sbcglobal.net (or whatever)...problem solved and
no RDNS issues.  Collaboration
and incoming still work and no outgoing blocking (unless your ISP's server
gets blocked for some reason).
Please let me know if I'm missing something here.
One flaw may come up- when someone says 'so-and-so never received my 
email'.  You check your logs and see that it was successfully delivered to 
smtp.whatever.net - but then what happened?
That is certainly true but you can't always have the best of both worlds 
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Re: [IMail Forum] PTR problems again

[Gary Brumm]

Thanks for the explanation Scott.  I will explain the test to the 
recipients IT guy.  They are using a Symantec anti spam solution on their 
IMail server and from what I have heard it's a pretty flawed system so I 
guess they will have to white list our customer if they want to receive 
email from them.

Gary
At 04:58 AM 3/18/2005, you wrote:
I have a customer who swears we have our reverse DNS set up wrong.at 
dnsstuff.com we pass every test...except the
DNS timing test.  If you put our customers domain (aclc.org) into the box 
and select PTR it says our DNS server reports
no PTR records (even though it is authoritive for our subnets).
A reverse DNS entry takes an IP address and converts it into a 
hostname.  It does *not* take a hostname and convert it into a hostname (a 
CNAME record does that).

A mailserver that gets a connection from your mailserver doesn't care that 
you are aclc.org -- you could just as easily say you are 
microsoft.com.  They care that you say that you are 192.0.2.25 (or 
whatever your IP is).  So to find out if your mailserver has a reverse DNS 
entry, you have to find its IP, and check the reverse DNS entry for that.

Many domains I put in this test fail (even very well known ones).
As they should -- almost no domains have PTR records (a few do, probably 
because they didn't know what they were doing).  :)

For the DNS timing test, you would need to enter the correct hostname for 
the PTR record (something like 25.2.0.192.in-addr.arpa).  I'm going to add 
a note to the reverse DNS lookup tool to let people who enter a hostname 
know that it had to be converted to an IP, which may not be the IP that 
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[IMail Forum] PTR problems again

[Gary Brumm]

I have a customer who swears we have our reverse DNS set up wrong.at 
dnsstuff.com we pass every test...except the
DNS timing test.  If you put our customers domain (aclc.org) into the box 
and select PTR it says our DNS server reports
no PTR records (even though it is authoritive for our subnets).  Many 
domains I put in this test fail (even very well known ones).
We pass every other test on there with RDNS reporting correctly.  only one 
domain is reporting they can't get email from our server
and that domain is dibu.com .   Can anyone help with this?  Thanks...Gary

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RE: [IMail Forum] PTR problems again

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At 06:04 PM 3/17/2005, you wrote:
 I have a customer who swears we have our reverse DNS set up
 wrong.at
 dnsstuff.com we pass every test...except the
 DNS timing test.  If you put our customers domain (aclc.org)
 into the box
 and select PTR it says our DNS server reports
 no PTR records (even though it is authoritive for our subnets).  Many
 domains I put in this test fail (even very well known ones).
 We pass every other test on there with RDNS reporting
 correctly.  only one
 domain is reporting they can't get email from our server
 and that domain is dibu.com .   Can anyone help with this?
 Thanks...Gary
Not sure what you are asking.  Are clients from dibu.com using comsec.net to
send there email? http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ptr.ch?ip=dibu.com reports
that there isn't any ptr records for dibu.com. If dibu.com is one of your
hosted email domains then I would think they too would need there ptr/sfp
records established.  AOL will no longer accept mail to them from servers
without a valid ptr record.
No, our customers are aclc.org.  They are having problems sending to 
dibu.com .


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RE: [IMail Forum] PTR problems again

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At 06:52 PM 3/17/2005, you wrote:
 At 06:04 PM 3/17/2005, you wrote:
   I have a customer who swears we have our reverse DNS set up
   wrong.at dnsstuff.com we pass every test...except the
   DNS timing test.  If you put our customers domain (aclc.org)
   into the box
   and select PTR it says our DNS server reports
   no PTR records (even though it is authoritive for our
 subnets).  Many
   domains I put in this test fail (even very well known ones).
   We pass every other test on there with RDNS reporting
   correctly.  only one
   domain is reporting they can't get email from our server
   and that domain is dibu.com .   Can anyone help with this?
   Thanks...Gary
 
 Not sure what you are asking.  Are clients from dibu.com using
 comsec.net to send there email?
 http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ptr.ch?ip=dibu.com reports that there
 isn't any ptr records for dibu.com. If dibu.com is one of
 your hosted
 email domains then I would think they too would need there ptr/sfp
 records established.  AOL will no longer accept mail to them from
 servers without a valid ptr record.

 No, our customers are aclc.org.  They are having problems sending to
 dibu.com .
Anything in your logs?  Any bounced messages from dibu.com?
Only this:
Delivery failed 20 attempts: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SMTP connection faile
I think there  may be something wrong with the DNS Timing Test at 
dnsstuff.com... we pass every test...except the
DNS timing PTR test.  It looks like your domain fails as well 
(jaray.net).  dibu.com is using an IMail server and I believe
the Norton/Symantec anti spam,this may be the problem.


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[IMail Forum] Reverse dns issue

[Gary Brumm]

I have a colocation customer who is reporting RDNS problems with AOL from 
one of his domains (mail.tommydew.com).
He runs his own (Merek) email server and does his own forward DNS and we do 
the RDNS since he uses our IPs.
We have no other customers complaining and I have sent test messages to AOL 
customers without any problem.
Can anyone point me in the right direction to get this resolved (no pun 
intended).  Here is a copy of the customers report
and there is a log excerpt attached..

Thanks,
Gary


It appears that it is a reverse dns problem. I have attached log files
from my mail server. Once the server is connected to aol's mail server,
aol's mail server responds back that there is no reverse dns. Please let
me know what pbi says. I have clients breathing down my neck about not
being able to send email to aol.
Paul
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From: Gary Brumm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 9:11 AM
To: Paul Spagnola
Subject: Re: reverse dns issue
Hi Paul,
Here's what I get:
Asking h.root-servers.net for 225.194.212.207.in-addr.arpa PTR
record:
   h.root-servers.net says to go to
figwort.arin.net. (zone: 207.in-addr.arpa.)
Asking figwort.arin.net. for 225.194.212.207.in-addr.arpa PTR
record:
   figwort.arin.net [192.42.93.32] says
to go to ns1.pbi.net. (zone: 212.207.in-addr.arpa.)
Asking ns1.pbi.net. for 225.194.212.207.in-addr.arpa PTR record:
   ns1.pbi.net [206.13.28.11] says to
go to ns1.comsec.net. (zone: 194.212.207.in-addr.arpa.)
Asking ns1.comsec.net. for 225.194.212.207.in-addr.arpa PTR record:
Reports mail.tommydew.com. [from 207.212.96.4]
Answer:
207.212.194.225 PTR record: mail.tommydew.com. [TTL 86400s]
[A=207.212.194.225]
This is correct
However on a DNS traversal I get:
Results from ns1.comsec.net do not match results from ns1.pbi.net.
Results from ns1.comsec.net do not match results from ns2.pbi.net.
There should be no RDNS records on the pbi.net DNS machines since
ns1.comsec.net  livewire.comsec.net have been delegated authority
for my subnets.  I have checked resolution using several outside DNS
servers and it has resolved your email server correctly.  If you have a
copy of the AOL rejection message please forward it to me.  I will
contact PBI to follow up.
Thanks,
Gary
At 04:44 AM 3/1/2005, you wrote:
Gary,
On one of my mail servers, I am getting rejected email from
aol because of no reverse dns (ptr record). And it appears that you have
livewire.comsec.net, ns1.comsec.net, ns1.pbi.net and ns2.pbi.net listed
as dns servers for 207.212.194 class c. comsec.net servers respond
correctly for the ip. But the dns servers on pbi's side respond
incorrectly. I do not know if the replication between your servers and
pbi have stopped, but please let me know what you find as I need to
resolve this issue. Attached below is a report of the mismatching info.
Please let me know the status of this info.
Paul Spagnola
DNS Traversal for 225.194.212.207.in-addr.arpa.
Generated by www.DNSstuff.com http://www.dnsstuff.com/  
http://www.DNSstuff.com http://www.dnsstuff.com/ 

Getting NS record list at d.root-servers.net... Done!
Looking up at the 7 207.in-addr.arpa. parent servers:
Server
Response
Time
chia.arin.net [192.5.6.32]
ns1.pbi.net. ns2.pbi.net.
108ms
dill.arin.net [192.35.51.32]
ns1.pbi.net. ns2.pbi.net.
108ms
henna.arin.net [192.26.92.32]
ns1.pbi.net. ns2.pbi.net.
108ms
indigo.arin.net [192.31.80.32]
ns1.pbi.net. ns2.pbi.net.
108ms
epazote.arin.net [192.41.162.32]
ns1.pbi.net. ns2.pbi.net.
109ms
figwort.arin.net [192.42.93.32]
ns1.pbi.net. ns2.pbi.net.
109ms
basil.arin.net [192.55.83.32]
ns1.pbi.net. ns2.pbi.net.
310ms
Status: Records all match.
Looking up at the 2 212.207.in-addr.arpa. parent servers:
Server
Response
Time
ns2.pbi.net [206.13.29.11]
livewire.comsec.net. ns1.comsec.net. ns1.pbi.net. ns2.pbi.net.
109ms
ns1.pbi.net [206.13.28.11]
livewire.comsec.net. ns1.comsec.net. ns1.pbi.net. ns2.pbi.net.
207ms
Status: Records all match.
Looking up at the 4 194.212.207.in-addr.arpa. parent servers:
Server
Response
Time
livewire.comsec.net [207.212.96.10]
mail.tommydew.com.
214ms
ns1.comsec.net [207.212.96.4]
mail.tommydew.com.
214ms
ns1.pbi.net [206.13.28.11]
livewire.comsec.net. ns1.comsec.net. ns1.pbi.net. ns2.pbi.net.
214ms
ns2.pbi.net [206.13.29.11]
livewire.comsec.net. ns1.comsec.net. ns1.pbi.net. ns2.pbi.net.
214ms
Status: Records DO NOT all match: Results from ns1.comsec.net do not
match results from ns2.pbi.net.
Looking up at the 4 194.212.207.in-addr.arpa. parent servers:
Server
Response
Time
ns1.pbi.net [206.13.28.11]
livewire.comsec.net. ns1.comsec.net. ns1.pbi.net. ns2.pbi.net.
112ms
ns2.pbi.net [206.13.29.11]
livewire.comsec.net. ns1.comsec.net. ns1.pbi.net. ns2.pbi.net.
112ms
livewire.comsec.net [207.212.96.10]
mail.tommydew.com.
210ms
ns1.comsec.net [207.212.96.4]
mail.tommydew.com.
210ms
Status: Records DO NOT all match: Results from ns2.pbi.net do not match
results from ns1.comsec.net.
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RE: [IMail Forum] Reverse dns issue

[Gary Brumm]

Thanks Travis,
I was so intent on looking at the RDNS (our DNS server) that I 
neglected to look at
his DNS server.  I appreciate the info.

Gary
At 07:43 AM 3/8/2005, you wrote:
I am guessing that he is looking at the SMTP log files and he is guessing
that from the greeting he is having problems - if indeed there really aren't
any.  On Friday I received a greeting that said I was being blocked and then
was disconnected with a 550.  I called AOL and after about 20 minutes and
after getting to a Level 3 engineer - they told me Ooops.  We have been
having troubles our bad.
www.DNSReport.com shows you have serious issues here with the DNS setup.
http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=tommydew.com
AOL shows there is RNDS for 207.212.194.225.
http://postmaster.aol.com/tools/rdns.html

My guess is that the RDNS is fine.  Everything else is hosed.
Travis

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 Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 7:35 AM
 To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
 Subject: [IMail Forum] Reverse dns issue

 I have a colocation customer who is reporting RDNS problems with AOL from
 one of his domains (mail.tommydew.com).
 He runs his own (Merek) email server and does his own forward DNS and we
 do
 the RDNS since he uses our IPs.
 We have no other customers complaining and I have sent test messages to
 AOL
 customers without any problem.
 Can anyone point me in the right direction to get this resolved (no pun
 intended).  Here is a copy of the customers report
 and there is a log excerpt attached..

 Thanks,

 Gary





 It appears that it is a reverse dns problem. I have attached log files
 from my mail server. Once the server is connected to aol's mail server,
 aol's mail server responds back that there is no reverse dns. Please let
 me know what pbi says. I have clients breathing down my neck about not
 being able to send email to aol.
 
 Paul
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Gary Brumm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 9:11 AM
 To: Paul Spagnola
 Subject: Re: reverse dns issue
 
 Hi Paul,
 
  Here's what I get:
 Asking h.root-servers.net for 225.194.212.207.in-addr.arpa PTR
 record:
 h.root-servers.net says to go to
 figwort.arin.net. (zone: 207.in-addr.arpa.)
 Asking figwort.arin.net. for 225.194.212.207.in-addr.arpa PTR
 record:
 figwort.arin.net [192.42.93.32] says
 to go to ns1.pbi.net. (zone: 212.207.in-addr.arpa.)
 Asking ns1.pbi.net. for 225.194.212.207.in-addr.arpa PTR record:
 ns1.pbi.net [206.13.28.11] says to
 go to ns1.comsec.net. (zone: 194.212.207.in-addr.arpa.)
 Asking ns1.comsec.net. for 225.194.212.207.in-addr.arpa PTR record:
 Reports mail.tommydew.com. [from 207.212.96.4]
 
 Answer:
 207.212.194.225 PTR record: mail.tommydew.com. [TTL 86400s]
 [A=207.212.194.225]
 
  This is correct
 
 However on a DNS traversal I get:
 
 Results from ns1.comsec.net do not match results from ns1.pbi.net.
 Results from ns1.comsec.net do not match results from ns2.pbi.net.
 
 There should be no RDNS records on the pbi.net DNS machines since
 ns1.comsec.net  livewire.comsec.net have been delegated authority
 for my subnets.  I have checked resolution using several outside DNS
 servers and it has resolved your email server correctly.  If you have a
 copy of the AOL rejection message please forward it to me.  I will
 contact PBI to follow up.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Gary
 
 
 At 04:44 AM 3/1/2005, you wrote:
 
 
 Gary,
 
  On one of my mail servers, I am getting rejected email from
 aol because of no reverse dns (ptr record). And it appears that you have
 livewire.comsec.net, ns1.comsec.net, ns1.pbi.net and ns2.pbi.net listed
 as dns servers for 207.212.194 class c. comsec.net servers respond
 correctly for the ip. But the dns servers on pbi's side respond
 incorrectly. I do not know if the replication between your servers and
 pbi have stopped, but please let me know what you find as I need to
 resolve this issue. Attached below is a report of the mismatching info.
 Please let me know the status of this info.
 
 Paul Spagnola
 
 
 DNS Traversal for 225.194.212.207.in-addr.arpa.
 
 
 Generated by www.DNSstuff.com http://www.dnsstuff.com/  
 http://www.DNSstuff.com http://www.dnsstuff.com/ 
 
 
 
 Getting NS record list at d.root-servers.net... Done!
 Looking up at the 7 207.in-addr.arpa. parent servers:
 Server
 Response
 Time
 chia.arin.net [192.5.6.32]
 ns1.pbi.net. ns2.pbi.net.
 108ms
 dill.arin.net [192.35.51.32]
 ns1.pbi.net. ns2.pbi.net.
 108ms
 henna.arin.net [192.26.92.32]
 ns1.pbi.net. ns2.pbi.net.
 108ms
 indigo.arin.net [192.31.80.32]
 ns1.pbi.net. ns2.pbi.net.
 108ms
 epazote.arin.net [192.41.162.32]
 ns1.pbi.net. ns2.pbi.net.
 109ms
 figwort.arin.net [192.42.93.32]
 ns1.pbi.net. ns2.pbi.net.
 109ms
 basil.arin.net [192.55.83.32]
 ns1.pbi.net. ns2.pbi.net.
 310ms
 
 Status: Records all match.
 
 Looking up at the 2 212.207.in-addr.arpa

RE: [IMail Forum] To anyone who bought a 3Com Nic

[Gary Brumm]

Macus, I have been using an app called  Port Explorer.  You might want to 
check it out:

http://www.diamondcs.com.au/portexplorer/
Gary
At 06:14 AM 3/2/2005, you wrote:
 Get TCPView from sysinternals.com
Hmm, some years ago I've had to leave my office, sit in my car and drive to
the datacenter in order to take control of my not more reachable server
running TCPView for some minutes.
The tool is nice but while making tests between 12pm and 04am I preffer to
not risk it again. ;-)
Any comments to my theory about MX connect failed?
I believe Ipswitch should be very interested in a solution for this
problem...
Markus
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Re: [IMail Forum] Windows TCP/IP Filtering

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I believe you need to open the ports above 1025 to initiate the outgoing
connections. 
I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong :-). 
Gary

At 06:49 PM 2/24/2005, you wrote:
I have been working
on configuring TCP/IP Filtering on my server. 
Server is Windows 2000 
IMail 8 
Can receive, but not send out email or telnet out.

Enabled: 
TCP 
20 
21 
25 
53 
80 
106 
110 
443 
UDP 
53 
Any ideas? 
Thanks much! 

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Re: [IMail Forum] Address of original sender, when sent to a list

[Gary Brumm]

Eudora does redirects as well.
At 08:19 AM 2/18/2005, you wrote:
On Friday, February 18, 2005 at 4:12:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
confabulated:

 Okay  I misunderstood...You could use the IMail client on the server to do
 this. The only other mail client I know of that can do this is The Bat! (I
 think it still does) although I haven't looked at it recently
  Yes. The Bat! does in fact redirect. I use it all the time in some 
automated rules I have set
  up.

 Eric S
 - Original Message -
 From: Sharyn Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
 Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:44 AM
 Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Address of original sender, when sent to a list
 Open the message in a window. then in that window go to Actions  Resend
 this message or just do a Alt-A  H
 I guess I'm lost.
 If I do what you suggested, and I resent the message, it's just going to go
 back to the original address. I actually want this to go to someone else.
 Example:
 Customer sends an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], which is a list. The list
 monitor opens the email and sees that John Doe is the salesperson that 
takes
 care of this particular product. If the list monitor then hits  resend,
 won't it go back to the original list address, [EMAIL PROTECTED] What we
 are trying to accomplish is send the entire mail, including the original
 sender's address (the one that sent it to [EMAIL PROTECTED]),to a totally
 different person, as though it were forwarded (in this case,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Unfortunately, when you forward a message from the
 list, it drops the original sender's address.


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Re: [IMail Forum] Issue with Log Server Setup

[Gary Brumm]

Did you shut down the IMail syslog service (port conflict)?
At 02:24 PM 2/16/2005, you wrote:
I am having trouble setting up Kiwi Log Server on the mail server.
I have installed it and set SMTP to log to Log Server, but Kiwi isn't
hearing a thing.
It is defaulted to listen to TCP 1468, I can not find anything in
archives or KB about this.  Is there something very obvious I am
missing?
Thanks,
Chris Patterson, CCNA
Network Engineer
Rapid Systems


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[IMail Forum] Forwarding Won't Go Away

[Gary Brumm]

I have a customer that set up temporary forwarding on an account via the 
web interface.  Now he wants it stopped and
can't shut off the forward.  I went into the IMail Admin interface and 
verifies the forwarding address was blank.  I changed
and re-saved the account.  I deleted and recreated the account.  I verified 
that no forward.ima file exists.  I searched the
registry and found nothing there.  Still the forward persists.  I am 
obviously missing something something.  Can anyone
shed some light on what is happening here?

Thanks,
Gary

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RE: [IMail Forum] Forwarding Won't Go Away

[Gary Brumm]

Thanks John,
I checked the users directory and there was no forward.ima which I would 
expect to see if there was a forward
set.  No other files other than the usual were in the users directory.  The 
search continues:-).

Gary
At 05:35 PM 2/15/2005, you wrote:
I had the same problem before. Not sure which file it was but there was some
sort of backup file created that Imail kept using. Deleted that and
forwarding stopped. It was in the users directory.
John Tolmachoff
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eServices For You
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 Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 5:24 PM
 To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
 Subject: [IMail Forum] Forwarding Won't Go Away

 I have a customer that set up temporary forwarding on an account via the
 web interface.  Now he wants it stopped and
 can't shut off the forward.  I went into the IMail Admin interface and
 verifies the forwarding address was blank.  I changed
 and re-saved the account.  I deleted and recreated the account.  I
verified
 that no forward.ima file exists.  I searched the
 registry and found nothing there.  Still the forward persists.  I am
 obviously missing something something.  Can anyone
 shed some light on what is happening here?

 Thanks,

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RE: [IMail Forum] OT: hardware company

[Gary Brumm]

Hi Bruce,
We use Compaq servers in our NOC hooked up w/redundant supplies as you 
mentioned.
I don't ever remember having a PS failure in one of these servers but if 
one does no big deal
We use IBM servers in the office environments and Gateway desktops.  We 
have reps for both
companies and get the usual discounts  extras with both.  IBM is 
supporting not only parts 
service for IBM but they also do the support  parts for Gateway.  You 
can't get better support
than IBM IMHO.  We have tried dealing with Dell in the past several times 
and we have had so many
problems with poor support, missed delivery times, unreturned calls, ect. 
that they are an absolute
last resort for us.

Of course your mileage may vary  :-)
Cheers,
Gary
At 07:45 PM 2/15/2005, you wrote:
re: redundant power supplies.
I never understood why a manufacturer would have an option to use a single
power cord to connect to a power supply with two redundant power supplies in
the same server.  if someone trips over the single cord, as in the example
below, then both supplies go down.
why not have all servers with dual power supplies connected to seperate UPS
units so that if either the power supply fails, the UPS fails or the circuit
to which the UPS is connected fails, the redundant power supply can take
over.
i know, many people would consider that kind of redundancy redundant, but we
do not, too many strange thing have happened.  i'd rather spend the money on
prevention than waste a day fixing something that could have been
prevented while 50 angry office workers and untold numbers of customers are
screaming at me on the telephone and thru the doorway about the fact they
can't get the pictures that their grandkids sent them via e-mail.
Bruce Barnes
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Doug Traylor
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Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] OT: hardware company
Dell.  We have a sales rep, not that it's a big deal.  I got a 10%
discount last time I bought some little thing.
The big deal is their service.  It's nice to get a new hard drive air
mailed in four hours or less when one decides to die.
..And their dependability...we have been using the same 150 Dell
computers, more or less(desktops and servers), for four years with few
failures of anything but ~10 cpu fans becoming squeaky and ~5 power
supply fans.  A couple of scsi drives in one of our raid systems have
been replaced without incident or noticeable downtime, and that's it.
Not counting the usual programmer/sysadmin induced system meltdowns!
:o)  Like the guy who was walking behind the servers and tripped on
and pulled out one power cord from a raid with supposedly redundant
dual power, that corrupted the container and caused us a day of
downtime and lost work.  Good times, good times.
:o)
Doug Traylor
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:03:23 -0500, Matrosity Tech Support
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 yes, don't screw around pinching pennies with your revenue, get a dell.


 Internet Relations wrote:
 I'd 2nd that.
Dell.
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RE: [IMail Forum] Forwarding Won't Go Away

[Gary Brumm]

At 08:15 PM 2/15/2005, you wrote:
Is there a rules files in the user folder? Check inside for a rule that is
doing the forwarding. Also theck th rules file for the domain.
Hi Kevin,
Yes, I had checked for that as well.  I finally went back to the 
customer and had him ~double~ check
that he wasn't checking the account (that had been forwarded) directly in 
his email client..guess
what?he had an account that he thought he had deleted that was checking 
it directly... :-[.
Problem solvedThanks for the help!

Cheers,
Gary


Kevin
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 To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
 Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Forwarding Won't Go Away


 Thanks John,

 I checked the users directory and there was no forward.ima
 which I would
 expect to see if there was a forward
 set.  No other files other than the usual were in the users
 directory.  The
 search continues:-).

 Gary


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 I had the same problem before. Not sure which file it was
 but there was
 some sort of backup file created that Imail kept using. Deleted that
 and forwarding stopped. It was in the users directory.
 
 John Tolmachoff
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 eServices For You
 
 
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   Subject: [IMail Forum] Forwarding Won't Go Away
  
   I have a customer that set up temporary forwarding on an
 account via
   the web interface.  Now he wants it stopped and can't
 shut off the
   forward.  I went into the IMail Admin interface and verifies the
   forwarding address was blank.  I changed and re-saved the
 account.
   I deleted and recreated the account.  I
 verified
   that no forward.ima file exists.  I searched the
   registry and found nothing there.  Still the forward
 persists.  I am
   obviously missing something something.  Can anyone shed
 some light
   on what is happening here?
  
   Thanks,
  
   Gary
  
  
  
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Re: [IMail Forum] FYI More on SBC (PacBell)

[Gary Brumm]

At 02:46 AM 1/27/2005, you wrote:
  So I'm guessing that if a static IP is being assigned, it would still 
be ok for SMTP services
  running on the DSL.
Yes, if you have a static IP port 25 is not blocked.  You can fill out 
their online abuse reporting form and opt out
of the port 25 block and they will remove it.

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RE: [IMail Forum] Filanet InterJak 200

[Gary Brumm]

At 10:02 AM 1/27/2005, you wrote:
Len,
Was wondering if you had taken a look at something called SpamCannibal at
http://www.spamcannibal.org . It is something akin to the Anvil feature you
describe, but with a twist. The stated aim of the daemon on its website is,
SpamCannibal's TCP/IP tarpit stops spam by telling the spam server to send
very small packets. SpamCannibal then causes the spam server to retry
sending over and over - ideally bringing the spam server to a virtual halt
for a long time or perhaps indefinitely.
and if you bring down a server that was exploited through no fault of 
the owner
then what?  They trace the problem to software you intentionally installed 
on your
server knowing it would crash other peoples servers.and you are 
reported to your
upstream provider or you are sued.  This is a very bad idea.  Delete 
incoming SPAM,
block the IP, report it to the source, or  to SpamCop, ect.,  but please 
don't try to crash
servers that may be victims of exploits without anymore information other 
than SPAM
was delivered from this address.


I haven't tried setting up a Postfix box for this yet, but it sounds like
fun. :-)
William Van Hefner
Network Administrator
Vantek Communications, Inc.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Len Conrad
 Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:22 AM
 To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
 Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Filanet InterJak 200



 If you're willing to get your hands dirty and learn a bit of *nix I
 recommend pf on OpenBSD which is _very_ flexible and will let you
 'tarpit' spammers (with spamd) if you wish.  It's free and it'll run
 very well on a pII 350mhz with 128m of RAM.  It is a bit of
 a learning
 curve if you're a Windows only guy but well worth it IMHO.

 Even easier is IMGate/postfix's anvil feature which will
 dynamically
 smtp-blocks/rate-limits any IP that connects to postfix more
 than x times
 in y minutes.

 anvilled IPs connect to port 25, postfix sends an immediate
 SMTP 421 code,
 and hangs up. postfix can probably do that 200 times/second without
 impacting legit operation.

 I would say the majority of msgs to unknown users come from
 subscriber
 access networks of millions infected PCs, each of which
 doesn't attack any
 one MX at a high rate of attempts, so rate limiting is not helpful.

 Len



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Re: [IMail Forum] SpamCannibal (was another topic)

[Gary Brumm]

At 11:09 AM 1/27/2005, you wrote:
Gary,
This is NOT like some arbitrary DOS attack. The sending server would only
be choking on their -OWN- spam. As soon as the server admin kills all
attempts to send spam from their server to my server (and others),
everything goes back to normal. The tarpitting ONLY occurs as long as spam
is actively being delivered from their server.
Hi William,
Yes, but while you are attacking the offending server you are also 
interfering with
the processing of legitimate email.  This action may cause loss of 
customers and
result in legal action.  How would you feel if I was crashing your server 
because
IMail had a bug (what are the odds of that :-) ) that someone had exploited 
and
was sending SPAM through your server?  I just had someone exploit a statistic
server running on one of our machines.  We received several reports of spam 
related
to one of our IP's.  We were able to track down the problem and fix it 
quickly.  I
realize that all providers are not so responsive.  If someone had managed 
to crash
the machine it would have taken 100+ websites offline and punished many people
who were not at fault (not to mention it would really pizz me off 
:-)).  All a real
spammer would have to do is block your IP and go back to business.


This is the same premise behind RBLs, in that if everyone used an RBL, an
offensive spamming server would not be able to send mail (spam or legit) to
anyone. In this case, the program simply throttles or kills the servers
ability to send spam or other traffic until they have dealt with the issue
and STOPPED SPAMMING.
RBL's are elective (we use them) and only affect delivery to our customers.
This is a completely different thing than attacking someone else's server.

Also, this is a two-step process. A spamming server already has to have been
blacklisted for spamming previously/recently before the daemon will be
triggered. By the time it gets to that point, an admin should already know
what's going on, and has had an opportunity to do something about it. As
soon as they stop sending spam, the problem goes away. Seems fair enough to
me. FYI, I am only considering installing this on my secondary MX, where
absolutely NO legit traffic belongs in the first place. If everyone
installed this program on their secondary MX, the abuse of secondaries would
quickly vanish.
Believe me, I hate spam and spammers as much as anyone but I don't want to
crash legitimate servers that have been exploited.  If I see a certain 
source of
persistent spam I have no problem with its IP being blocked (our IP 
blocking expires
after a time so if the problem is resolved the IP becomes useable again) or 
it being
reported to an RBL.  But I completely understand how you feel and I used to 
feel the
same way before I had products like Declude (in my case) that have at least 
made the
problem more manageable.

Cheers,
Gary

William Van Hefner
Network Administrator
Vantek Communications, Inc.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Brumm
 Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:31 AM
 To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
 Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Filanet InterJak 200


 At 10:02 AM 1/27/2005, you wrote:
 Len,
 
 Was wondering if you had taken a look at something called
 SpamCannibal
 at http://www.spamcannibal.org . It is something akin to the Anvil
 feature you describe, but with a twist. The stated aim of
 the daemon on
 its website is, SpamCannibal's TCP/IP tarpit stops spam by
 telling the
 spam server to send very small packets. SpamCannibal then causes the
 spam server to retry sending over and over - ideally
 bringing the spam
 server to a virtual halt for a long time or perhaps indefinitely.

 and if you bring down a server that was exploited through
 no fault of
 the owner
 then what?  They trace the problem to software you
 intentionally installed
 on your
 server knowing it would crash other peoples servers.and you are
 reported to your
 upstream provider or you are sued.  This is a very bad idea.  Delete
 incoming SPAM,
 block the IP, report it to the source, or  to SpamCop, ect.,
 but please
 don't try to crash
 servers that may be victims of exploits without anymore
 information other
 than SPAM
 was delivered from this address.


 I haven't tried setting up a Postfix box for this yet, but it sounds
 like fun. :-)
 
 
 William Van Hefner
 Network Administrator
 Vantek Communications, Inc.
 
 
 
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 Len Conrad
   Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:22 AM
   To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
   Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Filanet InterJak 200
  
  
  
   If you're willing to get your hands dirty and learn a
 bit of *nix I
   recommend pf on OpenBSD which is _very_ flexible and
 will let you
   'tarpit' spammers (with spamd) if you wish.  It's free and it'll
   run very well on a pII 350mhz with 128m of RAM

RE: [IMail Forum] SpamCannibal (was another topic)

[Gary Brumm]

William,
I believe that reporting to a RBL, blocking an IP, or deleting email that 
you classify as spam is relatively  passive
as opposed to disabling someone's server which is a bit more of an active 
approach (IMHO).
I see that you appear to be a small provider (as am I) and are located in 
California.  As a fellow Californian I am sure
you are aware that in this state more than just about anywhere else a 
lawsuit doesn't have to make sense
to be filed or even won.  If you take down a server from a company with 
deep pockets they can bankrupt you
even if they don't win just by running up the cost of your defense.  For 
the record this is one of the things that I
absolutely hate about this state but it is an unfortunate reality at this 
time.  I would give it a great deal of thought
before using doing something that could potentially damage another 
companies business.  I hope your frustration
with the spam problem doesn't backfire on you.  If you ever receive spam 
from one of our servers please forward
the details and we will fix it (we don't like being hijacked anymore than 
we like receiving spam:-)).

Regards,
Gary
At 01:57 PM 1/27/2005, you wrote:
Gary,
I think that we vastly differ on what constitutes an attack. This is not
revenge, as you probably see it. It is pure defense, from my point of
view. Keep in mind, the spamming server can stop the tarpitting AT ANY TIME,
simply by stopping the stream of spam they are sending to me. He stops, I
stop. Period. No revenge. No vigilante party. I am purely reflecting the
attack back at them. Just as my own mail servers can be slowed down to a
crawl or stopped entirely by spammers, I am simply shifting the burden back
where it actually belongs. I am sending their spam back to them, with
postage due.
THEY are the ones launching the attack on MY server, not the other way
around! All I am doing is making them choke on their OWN messages. I am no
more blocking the delivery of legitimate e-mail than blacklists or RBLs are.
These people are illegally trespassing on my property. Anyone reading our
anti-spam policies knows that they are unwanted, and the vast majority of
spams are in violation of the wussy CAN-SPAM Act.
In my home, and on my servers, anyone attempting to break-in is shot on
sight. Questions asked later. If other admins don't like it, all they have
to do is kill the queued spam they are sending to me and to others. It's the
incompetent admin who is responsible if their other subscriber's e-mails
don't get through, not me, just as it is for mail admins who run open
relays. No jury in the world who has ever received spam would convict me!
William Van Hefner
Network Administrator
Vantek Communications, Inc.
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Brumm
 Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 12:37 PM
 To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
 Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] SpamCannibal (was another topic)


 At 11:09 AM 1/27/2005, you wrote:
 Gary,
 
 This is NOT like some arbitrary DOS attack. The sending
 server would
 only be choking on their -OWN- spam. As soon as the server
 admin kills
 all attempts to send spam from their server to my server
 (and others),
 everything goes back to normal. The tarpitting ONLY occurs
 as long as
 spam is actively being delivered from their server.

 Hi William,
 Yes, but while you are attacking the offending server you are also
 interfering with
 the processing of legitimate email.  This action may cause loss of
 customers and
 result in legal action.  How would you feel if I was crashing
 your server
 because
 IMail had a bug (what are the odds of that :-) ) that someone
 had exploited
 and
 was sending SPAM through your server?  I just had someone
 exploit a statistic server running on one of our machines.
 We received several reports of spam
 related
 to one of our IP's.  We were able to track down the problem
 and fix it
 quickly.  I
 realize that all providers are not so responsive.  If someone
 had managed
 to crash
 the machine it would have taken 100+ websites offline and
 punished many people who were not at fault (not to mention it
 would really pizz me off
 :-)).  All a real
 spammer would have to do is block your IP and go back to business.


 This is the same premise behind RBLs, in that if everyone
 used an RBL,
 an offensive spamming server would not be able to send mail (spam or
 legit) to anyone. In this case, the program simply throttles
 or kills
 the servers ability to send spam or other traffic until they
 have dealt
 with the issue and STOPPED SPAMMING.

 RBL's are elective (we use them) and only affect delivery to
 our customers. This is a completely different thing than
 attacking someone else's server.


 Also, this is a two-step process. A spamming server already
 has to have
 been blacklisted for spamming previously/recently before the daemon
 will be triggered. By the time it gets to that point, an
 admin should
 already know what's going

Re: [IMail Forum] Supporting Users with port 25 blocked - FPIPE

[Gary Brumm]

The problem with these programs (I tried Port Tunnel) is that all off the 
messages that come through the alternate port
appear to originate from the IMail machine's IP and this makes you an open 
relay.  This happens even if the machine's
IPs are not in the allow these IPs list.  Authenticated SMTP still works 
but is not needed.  If someone has a solution
to this please let me know.

Thanks,
Gary
At 04:56 AM 1/26/2005, you wrote:
If you omit an IP address from FPipe's start-up command line, does
Fpipe then listen on All ports bound to the NIC of the machine where
it is running?

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Re[2]: [IMail Forum] Supporting Users with port 25 blocked...

[Gary Brumm]

Yes I had found this in the archives from David Gregg:
FPIPE will work as long as you don't include the IP of the mailserver in the
'relay for addresses' list...
But, would this affect the ability of the server to do webmail or cause 
some other problems
if the IP of the server is removed (actual ip or local address 12.0.0.1) 
from the relay list?

Thanks,
Gary
At 04:42 AM 1/24/2005, you wrote:
The Problem with the port redirectors is that the source adress of the
connection  is changed to the Server doing the redirect. If you do the
redirect   on  a  computer  which  IP  is  allowed  to  relay (eg. the
server itself)  then any SMTP connection  going  over  this  redirector
is allowed even if it originates from an untrusted outside IP.
In  the  archives  you  will find more about this problem and suggested
tools.
http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Matti
 I have no interest or need for using NAT.  We have thousands of IPs
 available.  I don't want to do a complete re IP on a machine with over a
 hundred IPs on it.  I have control over opening and closing ports on the
 live IPs via routers  firewalls.  I would just like to run a simple port
 redirect program on the mail server that will send port 587 to port 25 and
 be done with it.  I know there are a few apps out there that will do this
 and I was hoping to get some feedback on this method.  Thanks for your
 suggestions.
 Gary
 At 05:47 PM 1/23/2005, you wrote:
You might try working something out with your bandwidth provider so that
you could NAT your network.  Mine does work on NAT, but I'm not a Cisco
expert so I don't know if there is another way to do this.

Matt



Gary Brumm wrote:

Hi Matt,

 Thanks for the reply.  I have a main Cisco router where ports
 can be blocked as well as some hardware firewalls (Sonicwall) on
various subnets.  Port forwarding can be done if you are in NAT mode but
these will not do a port redirection which is what I need.
Each domain on the email server is on it's own live IP so NAT is not a
solution for me.  In any case I would never hang something a critical
as an email server on a $50 Linksys router.  It would be nice if you
could add an alternate port in the IMail configuration but I wouldn't
hold my breath for any solution from IPSwitch.  I will probably need to
use some software port redirection software on the email server
itself.  I was just trying to find out what others were using and what
(if any) problems were created by doing this.

Gary


At 10:38 AM 1/23/2005, you wrote:

Unless you have a reason why you would want to use another piece of
software for validating addresses (very necessary these days), you are
probably going to want something that is software and does port
forwarding, but not another MTA of some sort.  I don't know of any port
forwarding software that isn't some form of a firewall or proxy.  Maybe
someone else knows better about what is available.

I believe that you could get away with a really cheap standard Linksys
router if you weren't looking to spend a lot of cash, the config would
be somewhat of a kludge to have work properly, but I'm pretty sure it
can be done..  Lots of routers do port forwarding, so you don't
necessarily need a Cisco to pull this off if you wanted a more
straightforward solution.  IMO, every Internet server should be behind a
port blocking router, otherwise you may very well end up hacked through
some open port exploit, so a router has many advantages besides this 
one thing.

Matt




Gary Brumm wrote:

SBC just blocked port 25 for their dynamically assigned DSL users.
I can have those users switch to SBC's SMTP servers but I have
been meaning to open up port 587 for my users that travel.  I was
wondering what software solutions you guys have been using (like the
ones suggested below) and if there are any problems associated with
doing it via software on the IMail machine as opposed to doing it with
a hardware firewall.  If it is a software solution it must run as a 
service.

Thanks,

Gary


At 09:38 AM 8/27/2004, you wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Jim,
If your firewall supports it, I'd suggest port remapping on the 
firewall.
Have any port translated to IMail on port 25.
You could achieve the same solution using a port redirector software
on your IMail box.
There is a bunch of Port Forwarder/Redirector Softwares available, 
e.g.
PortTunnel by http://www.steelbytes.com/
or
Fpipe by
http://www.foundstone.com/index.htm?subnav=resources/navigation.htm 
subcontent=/resources/freetools.htm




I gave FPipe a shot, and while it does work, IMail sees the redirected
traffic as coming from itself, which will defeat my relaying setting.
While that may not be a problem at the moment, some time in that
not-so-distant future, some spammer may become clever enough to start
relaying traffic through port 587, and I will become an open relay.

Is there a redirector that does preserve the source IP, or is that
even possible?

--
A. Clausen
[EMAIL

Re: [IMail Forum] Supporting Users with port 25 blocked...

[Gary Brumm]

Hi Matt,
Thanks for the reply.  I have a main Cisco router where ports can 
be blocked as well as some hardware firewalls (Sonicwall) on
various subnets.  Port forwarding can be done if you are in NAT mode but 
these will not do a port redirection which is what I need.
Each domain on the email server is on it's own live IP so NAT is not a 
solution for me.  In any case I would never hang something a critical
as an email server on a $50 Linksys router.  It would be nice if you could 
add an alternate port in the IMail configuration but I wouldn't hold my 
breath for any solution from IPSwitch.  I will probably need to use some 
software port redirection software on the email server itself.  I was just 
trying to find out what others were using and what (if any) problems were 
created by doing this.

Gary
At 10:38 AM 1/23/2005, you wrote:
Unless you have a reason why you would want to use another piece of 
software for validating addresses (very necessary these days), you are 
probably going to want something that is software and does port 
forwarding, but not another MTA of some sort.  I don't know of any port 
forwarding software that isn't some form of a firewall or proxy.  Maybe 
someone else knows better about what is available.

I believe that you could get away with a really cheap standard Linksys 
router if you weren't looking to spend a lot of cash, the config would be 
somewhat of a kludge to have work properly, but I'm pretty sure it can be 
done..  Lots of routers do port forwarding, so you don't necessarily need 
a Cisco to pull this off if you wanted a more straightforward 
solution.  IMO, every Internet server should be behind a port blocking 
router, otherwise you may very well end up hacked through some open port 
exploit, so a router has many advantages besides this one thing.

Matt

Gary Brumm wrote:
SBC just blocked port 25 for their dynamically assigned DSL users.  I can 
have those users switch to SBC's SMTP servers but I have
been meaning to open up port 587 for my users that travel.  I was 
wondering what software solutions you guys have been using (like the ones 
suggested below) and if there are any problems associated with doing it 
via software on the IMail machine as opposed to doing it with a hardware 
firewall.  If it is a software solution it must run as a service.

Thanks,
Gary
At 09:38 AM 8/27/2004, you wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jim,
If your firewall supports it, I'd suggest port remapping on the firewall.
Have any port translated to IMail on port 25.
You could achieve the same solution using a port redirector software on 
your IMail box.
There is a bunch of Port Forwarder/Redirector Softwares available, e.g.
PortTunnel by http://www.steelbytes.com/
or
Fpipe by 
http://www.foundstone.com/index.htm?subnav=resources/navigation.htmsubcontent=/resources/freetools.htm 


I gave FPipe a shot, and while it does work, IMail sees the redirected 
traffic as coming from itself, which will defeat my relaying setting. 
While that may not be a problem at the moment, some time in that 
not-so-distant future, some spammer may become clever enough to start 
relaying traffic through port 587, and I will become an open relay.

Is there a redirector that does preserve the source IP, or is that even 
possible?

--
A. Clausen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [IMail Forum] Supporting Users with port 25 blocked...

[Gary Brumm]

I have no interest or need for using NAT.  We have thousands of IPs 
available.  I don't want to do a complete re IP on a machine with over a 
hundred IPs on it.  I have control over opening and closing ports on the 
live IPs via routers  firewalls.  I would just like to run a simple port 
redirect program on the mail server that will send port 587 to port 25 and 
be done with it.  I know there are a few apps out there that will do this 
and I was hoping to get some feedback on this method.  Thanks for your 
suggestions.

Gary
At 05:47 PM 1/23/2005, you wrote:
You might try working something out with your bandwidth provider so that 
you could NAT your network.  Mine does work on NAT, but I'm not a Cisco 
expert so I don't know if there is another way to do this.

Matt

Gary Brumm wrote:
Hi Matt,
Thanks for the reply.  I have a main Cisco router where ports 
can be blocked as well as some hardware firewalls (Sonicwall) on
various subnets.  Port forwarding can be done if you are in NAT mode but 
these will not do a port redirection which is what I need.
Each domain on the email server is on it's own live IP so NAT is not a 
solution for me.  In any case I would never hang something a critical
as an email server on a $50 Linksys router.  It would be nice if you 
could add an alternate port in the IMail configuration but I wouldn't 
hold my breath for any solution from IPSwitch.  I will probably need to 
use some software port redirection software on the email server 
itself.  I was just trying to find out what others were using and what 
(if any) problems were created by doing this.

Gary
At 10:38 AM 1/23/2005, you wrote:
Unless you have a reason why you would want to use another piece of 
software for validating addresses (very necessary these days), you are 
probably going to want something that is software and does port 
forwarding, but not another MTA of some sort.  I don't know of any port 
forwarding software that isn't some form of a firewall or proxy.  Maybe 
someone else knows better about what is available.

I believe that you could get away with a really cheap standard Linksys 
router if you weren't looking to spend a lot of cash, the config would 
be somewhat of a kludge to have work properly, but I'm pretty sure it 
can be done..  Lots of routers do port forwarding, so you don't 
necessarily need a Cisco to pull this off if you wanted a more 
straightforward solution.  IMO, every Internet server should be behind a 
port blocking router, otherwise you may very well end up hacked through 
some open port exploit, so a router has many advantages besides this one thing.

Matt

Gary Brumm wrote:
SBC just blocked port 25 for their dynamically assigned DSL users.
I can have those users switch to SBC's SMTP servers but I have
been meaning to open up port 587 for my users that travel.  I was 
wondering what software solutions you guys have been using (like the 
ones suggested below) and if there are any problems associated with 
doing it via software on the IMail machine as opposed to doing it with 
a hardware firewall.  If it is a software solution it must run as a service.

Thanks,
Gary
At 09:38 AM 8/27/2004, you wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jim,
If your firewall supports it, I'd suggest port remapping on the firewall.
Have any port translated to IMail on port 25.
You could achieve the same solution using a port redirector software 
on your IMail box.
There is a bunch of Port Forwarder/Redirector Softwares available, e.g.
PortTunnel by http://www.steelbytes.com/
or
Fpipe by 
http://www.foundstone.com/index.htm?subnav=resources/navigation.htmsubcontent=/resources/freetools.htm 


I gave FPipe a shot, and while it does work, IMail sees the redirected 
traffic as coming from itself, which will defeat my relaying setting. 
While that may not be a problem at the moment, some time in that 
not-so-distant future, some spammer may become clever enough to start 
relaying traffic through port 587, and I will become an open relay.

Is there a redirector that does preserve the source IP, or is that 
even possible?

--
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Re: [IMail Forum] Supporting Users with port 25 blocked...

[Gary Brumm]

SBC just blocked port 25 for their dynamically assigned DSL users.  I can 
have those users switch to SBC's SMTP servers but I have
been meaning to open up port 587 for my users that travel.  I was wondering 
what software solutions you guys have been using (like the ones suggested 
below) and if there are any problems associated with doing it via software 
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it is a software solution it must run as a service.

Thanks,
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At 09:38 AM 8/27/2004, you wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jim,
If your firewall supports it, I'd suggest port remapping on the firewall.
Have any port translated to IMail on port 25.
You could achieve the same solution using a port redirector software on 
your IMail box.
There is a bunch of Port Forwarder/Redirector Softwares available, e.g.
PortTunnel by http://www.steelbytes.com/
or
Fpipe by 
http://www.foundstone.com/index.htm?subnav=resources/navigation.htmsubcontent=/resources/freetools.htm 

I gave FPipe a shot, and while it does work, IMail sees the redirected 
traffic as coming from itself, which will defeat my relaying setting. 
While that may not be a problem at the moment, some time in that 
not-so-distant future, some spammer may become clever enough to start 
relaying traffic through port 587, and I will become an open relay.

Is there a redirector that does preserve the source IP, or is that even 
possible?

--
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RE: [IMail Forum] IMail 8.15 has been released

[Gary Brumm]

At 05:53 AM 1/12/2005, you wrote:
 Jill, will this be available as an upgrade to Imail for those with service
agreements, or will it only be in ICS?
This is an issue where IMail functions improperly and should be released as 
a free patch not an upgrade IMHO.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jill Jones
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 11:00 AM
To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] IMail 8.15 has been released
Hi All,
We are very aware of the limitations in our current web messaging
implementation, and while we have tried to address them where we could, we
have acknowledged that there are places, that are very significant, where we
can't fix the issues.  As we look toward the future, our goal is to deliver
new web messaging and collaboration functionality taking advantage of tried
and true industry standards.  We are very excited about delivering this new
functionality, but do not have an ETA for its release.  We will keep you
posted on our progress.
Best regards,
Jill Jones
Product Manager, Messaging
Ipswitch, Inc.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Barker
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 7:51 PM
To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] IMail 8.15 has been released
Would someone who has a current S/A please report this bug to Support. It
seems it's less interesting if you haven't coughed up the $4K.
Dan
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 6:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
snip
IP-00400708  THIS IS AN EXPIRED S/A, HAS ALREADY HAD A COURTESY CALL,
IS THIS A BUG???
/snip
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dan Horne
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:26 PM
To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] IMail 8.15 has been released
I just verified this.  I have to agree that this is a serious bug.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Barker
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:10 PM
To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] IMail 8.15 has been released
I just installed 8.15, hoping it would work with attachments correctly. It
didn't. There appeared to be a lot of mail handling (in IWebMsg) fixes the
list, but my pet peeve is still broken. If a Text Email has an HTML
attachment, IMail renders the HTML and NOT THE TEXT (unless you click on
Printable Version).
THIS IS VERY DANGEROUS AND SHOULD BE FIXED.
THIS IS VERY DANGEROUS AND SHOULD BE FIXED.
THIS IS VERY DANGEROUS AND SHOULD BE FIXED.
THIS IS VERY DANGEROUS AND SHOULD BE FIXED.
THIS IS VERY DANGEROUS AND SHOULD BE FIXED.
THIS IS VERY DANGEROUS AND SHOULD BE FIXED.
Here's the dangerous scenario (excerpted from my Bug report: Case:
T200410280244):
IMail's web mail chokes on Content-Type: message/rfc822. I just did a test
with Microsoft Outlook 2K. I typed a simple message and dragged another
message to it as an attachment.
My message does not display on the Webmail client unless/until I click the
Printable Version button.
This is a VERY SEVERE error. Say a Microsoft spoof email came out with in a
command prompt, enter DELTREE C:\WINNT to update to XP 4K or some such
foolishness.
I send an email to my father saying:
The attached email is crap. If you get anything like it, don't do it!
Your Son, the technonurd.
He receives the email, FROM ME!, opens it and it says:
in a command prompt, enter DELTREE C:\WINNT to update to XP 4K
How's he supposed to know to hit Printable Version to read what the
message really says? If the attached message is HTML, the coversheet
doesn't display except with Printable. Also, I see
--=_NextPart_000_037F_01C4BD03.2F63AEB0-- at the end of the html
display, which also is wrong. It's just broken! If the attached message is
plain text, it displays inline, even if the Preference is for a link. This
is better, but still crap.
I cc'd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wonder what that'll do. Just in case they read
this, I'm IL-600690
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jill Jones
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 11:26 AM
To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
Subject: [IMail Forum] IMail 8.15 has been released
Hi All,
Ipswitch is pleased to announce the release of IMail 8.15.
Please visit the links below to download and find out more about 8.15.
Best regards,
Jill Jones
Product Manager, Messaging
Ipswitch, Inc.
Link to files:
http://www.ipswitch.com/support/ICS/index.asp
http://www.ipswitch.com/Support/ICS/updates/im815.html
http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/templates.html
Link to Release Notes:
http://support.ipswitch.com/kb/IM-20050107-DM01.htm
Release Notes:
Details :
o System-wide: Consistent handling of first, last, and full names has been
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  - Rules for generating the fullname from its components are now 

Re: [IMail Forum] WAY OT: Please drive carefully

[Gary Brumm]

At 04:55 AM 12/14/2004, you wrote:
Doesn't the term illegal in the phrase illegal aliens/immigrants
(regardless of country of origin) mean that they are breaking the law
Yes, it does!

Since when do people get rewarded for breaking the law?
Ever since radical liberals have hijacked the democratic party.
It's a shame and an embarrassment to America.  This is something
I feel strongly about but this list is really not the place to discuss
politics..
Merry Christmas! (sue me!)
:-)

Todd Holt wrote:
 Much to my dismay, I think that driving has become a right and not a
 privilege.

 And I'm not quite sure how California justifies giving a US drivers license
 to foreign nationals...(read illegal immigrants from Mexico).  Things that
 make you go...h!

 However, my prayers go out to those of you who have spoken on this
 thread...and to those who can't anymore.

 Todd Holt

 Xidix Technologies, Inc

 Las Vegas, NV USA

 702.319.4349

 www.xidix.com

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 changed at the hands of 2 un-attentive automobile drivers.

 Driving/operating a motor vehicle is a privilege, not a right.

 With privilege comes responsibility.

 Please...

 Drive safely!

 Thank you.

 John Tolmachoff
 Engineer/Consultant/Owner
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Re[2]: [IMail Forum] WAY OT: Please drive carefully

[Gary Brumm]

Good point Sandymy apologies to the list
At 09:40 AM 12/14/2004, you wrote:
 This  is something I feel strongly about but this list is really not
 the place to discuss politics..
If  it's  not,  don't.  This is completely inappropriate and makes any
debate  about  IMail add-on marketing absurd. I don't care whether the
subject line has the OT flag, this is still a technical list.
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[IMail Forum] Check Valid Sender option

[Gary Brumm]

I had a customer that was using AOL as an ISP and using Outlook configured 
for AUTH SMTP on our server.  He could not send to one particular user on 
our server (in his domain) but could send to others.  After testing I 
noticed the following in the header:

X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL
It seems that after unchecking the Check Valid Sender that the problem 
went away.  I thought I have read about this on the list before
but I searched and found nothing.  Is this the cure and what is AOL doing 
to cause this?  It doesn't seem to be a problem with all AOL
transactions and only seemed to affect messages sent to this particular 
user AFAIK.  The full headers are below..Thanks!!

rom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Nov 19 15:08:23 2004
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RE: [IMail Forum] Check Valid Sender option

[Gary Brumm]

Hi Travis,
But how would that explain that he could send to a different user on the 
same server consistently.
Is MIME Defang 2.43 being used at AOL or am I reading the header 
wrong?  There are reports of
MIME Defang making messages disappear when I searched it on Google.

 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL
 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43
Thanks,
Gary
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At 04:55 PM 11/19/2004, you wrote:
I would guess it was how they had the user in their address book - probably
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 Subject: [IMail Forum] Check Valid Sender option

 I had a customer that was using AOL as an ISP and using Outlook configured
 for AUTH SMTP on our server.  He could not send to one particular user on
 our server (in his domain) but could send to others.  After testing I
 noticed the following in the header:

 X-Apparently-From: ERR_USER_NULL

 It seems that after unchecking the Check Valid Sender that the problem
 went away.  I thought I have read about this on the list before
 but I searched and found nothing.  Is this the cure and what is AOL doing
 to cause this?  It doesn't seem to be a problem with all AOL
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[IMail Forum] IMail Client

[Gary Brumm]

I was using the IMail Client app to clean up a MBX and when I selected
several files to delete it corrupted the MBX. Also many of the

messages wouldn't open or a different message opened that was
selected. I haven't used this app foe a long time. Does it no
longer function with newer versions of IMail?
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RE: [IMail Forum] IMail Client

[Gary Brumm]

I think I may have found something. I run the following in a batch
file daily:
CLS
D:\Imail\immsgexp -tD:\IMail -d30
CLS 
This is supposed to delete messages older than 30 days. The IMail
Client seems to work on messages up to 30 days and I get 
bizarre results on messages older than that. Can anyone confirm (or
deny) that this is the cause. Is there a solution. I noticed
that 
there is no space between the -t  the D:\... Could this be causing
problems? 
Thanks,
Gary

At 11:33 AM 11/11/2004, you wrote:
We are
on 8.12 and use the IMail Client all the time. I have noticed that
it has trouble refreshing mail list once there are more than 1000
messages in a given mbx file, but deleting and recreating the idx file
works around that. I have not run across your issue, however.

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I was using the IMail Client app to clean up a MBX and when I selected
several files to delete it corrupted the MBX. Also many of the

messages wouldn't open or a different message opened that was
selected. I haven't used this app foe a long time. Does it no
longer function with newer versions of IMail?
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Re: [IMail Forum] IMail Client

[Gary Brumm]

Thanks Dave, that did it!  Could it be caused by the immsgexp.exe that I 
run daily to remove messages older than 30 days
from the MBXs?  Is it possible that it is trimming the messages in the 
mail.mbx and that the main.idx is not updated?
If this is the case what would be the best way to fix this?  I trim the 
messages so that when the webmail is used people who
don't remove old messages from the server don't have 1000's of messages 
showing in the web inbox.

Gary
At 01:05 PM 11/11/2004, you wrote:
It is more likely that the main.idx index file, that IMail Client
writes, became corrupt. Delete main.idx and see if that does not clear
the trouble. (Main.idx will be recreated when you open the mailbox
again, in IMail Client.)
Dave
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longer function with newer versions of IMail? Thanks,
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Re: [IMail Forum] IMail Client

[Gary Brumm]

It doesn't update the mail.idx fileso should I delete the main.idx 
files daily as well?

At 02:49 PM 11/11/2004, you wrote:
I don't expect immsgexp.exe to update main.idx.
Dave
In reply to 11 Nov message from [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Thanks Dave, that did it!  Could it be caused by the immsgexp.exe
that I run daily to remove messages older than 30 days
from the MBXs?  Is it possible that it is trimming the messages
in the mail.mbx and that the main.idx is not updated?
If this is the case what would be the best way to fix this?  I
trim the messages so that when the webmail is used people who
don't remove old messages from the server don't have 1000's of
messages showing in the web inbox.
Gary
At 01:05 PM 11/11/2004, you wrote:
It is more likely that the main.idx index file, that IMail Client
writes, became corrupt. Delete main.idx and see if that does not clear
the trouble. (Main.idx will be recreated when you open the mailbox
again, in IMail Client.)
Dave

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 of the messages wouldn't open or a different message opened that
 was selected. I haven't used this app foe a long time. Does it no
 longer function with newer versions of IMail? Thanks,
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RE: [IMail Forum] OT: Need to Vent - SPF

[Gary Brumm]

True, but those companies can ~afford~ to piss off their 
customers..IPSwitch can't.
Bad management (which seems to be the case here) can easily destroy a 
company of their size.

At 12:54 PM 11/9/2004, you wrote:
William Van Hefner: Give me a break!!! What other company does business
like this???
Well, Microsoft, Oracle, Seagate (Crystal reports - right before they sold
it), IBM with some of their RS/6000 AIX e-servers, Citrix with Metaframe XP
and windows NT support.  There are so many that have done this in the past
and are still around ... why do you think all this bitching on the board
will change anything more than what they have already done?
Christopher Checca
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Channahon, IL.  60410
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RE: [IMail Forum] Eudora Pro can not send email, I loose my network connection

[Gary Brumm]

Precede the forwarded address with a period and a comma (.,)
Separate multiple addresses with a comma.
At 08:04 PM 11/8/2004, you wrote:
How does one keep the email in the box and forward email to another account.
So far all I can do is setup the forward and the mail just empties
automatically out of the mail box doing the forwarding.
Can anyone help?
Thanks in advance,
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Re: Fw: [IMail Forum] IMail/ICS Update

[Gary Brumm]

That's pretty much a non-answer..Why cant they just put it back for 
sale as a standalone product and publish the price?
These kind of evasive answers don't inspire much trust in their company.

At 08:20 AM 11/2/2004, you wrote:
Here is Ipswitch's response on standalone pricing for IMail.
Darin.
- Original Message -
From: Jill Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Darin Cox' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 10:51 AM
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] IMail/ICS Update
Hi Darin,
As Roger mentioned in his email, if you have a special circumstance you
should call us.  This is just that type of circumstance.  So, at whatever
time you are ready to make such a purchase, please give us a call and we'll
work it out, at prices very similar to what you've always paid.
Best regards,
Jill
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 8:13 AM
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Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
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Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] IMail/ICS Update
May we ask what the cost of a new IMail-only license will be?
If an OSP is to continue to grow with IMail as the mail server software,
they would need more than SAs.  They need to be able to purchase licenses
for additional servers.
Darin.
- Original Message -
From: Roger C. Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 9:47 PM
Subject: [IMail Forum] IMail/ICS Update
Dear IMail Customers,
The messaging market has changed since we introduced IMail almost 10 years
ago. Back then, SMTP and POP3 were most of what was needed in a product.
Today, there is increasing demand for more comprehensive collaboration
solutions and the stand-alone messaging market is shrinking. That is why we
introduced Ipswitch Collaboration Suite as our messaging solution for the
future.
In introducing ICS, though, we did not fully assess the impact on you, our
customers. Many of you have written or called to tell us about that
impact. We have listened to what you had to say and decided on the
following actions:
1. IMail Server customers may continue to purchase Service Agreements
without upgrading to ICS. Since it is at the core of ICS, you can be
assured that we will continue to enhance and support IMail Server. As of
December 1, Service Agreement prices will increase to $695 (from $495) for
IMail Professional and to $375 (from $245) for IMail Small Business.
Note that anti-virus subscriptions will only be sold as part of ICS. For
those who have AV, we believe the ICS value proposition is compelling.
As always, we strongly encourage all IMail users to keep current with new
IMail releases. We do not believe that per-support-incident charges are in
the best interests of the majority of our users, and will not adopt them at
this time (but will continue to listen to your feedback).
2. Ipswitch Instant Messaging customers may also continue to purchase
Service Agreements. As of December 1, the Service Agreement price will
increase to $195 (from $99).
3. The December 31 deadline for cross-grade pricing to ICS has been
eliminated, so you have more time to plan. You may now make the move to ICS
on your own schedule.
I am sure that many of you will have questions about your particular
circumstances, and I encourage you to talk to your Ipswitch or reseller
salesperson about the best path forward for you. I want to especially thank
those of you who took the time to call us and explain your situations in
detail. We are pleased that we ended up opening a more direct channel of
communications with all of you who wrote or called. Last week Bill Pollack
sent an e-mail with management names and phone numbers; please always feel
free to call us.
Sincerely,
Roger Greene
President

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[IMail Forum] Moving users to a new (existing) server

[Gary Brumm]

I have a customer who wants to move his IMail customers to a different 
Imail server so he can shut his down.  He is running the same version 
(8.12) and has a separate IP for each domain (as we do).  He sent me some 
registry entries for his domains/users 
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Ipswitch\IMail\Domains\mail.domain.com\Users]but 
when I add one of his entries to our registry it shows up with all of the 
users from our base domain (first one created on our server).  The only 
difference between our base domain and the others is that the users are 
under /IMail/Users instead of like the rest 
(IMail/mail.domain.com/Users).  I have looked through the manual but must 
be missing something.  I am sure there is an easy way to do this.

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Re: [IMail Forum] Moving users to a new (existing) server

[Gary Brumm]

Hi Eric,
I now see also that his directories for domains were created as 
domain.com whereas the domains on the other server were
created by default as mail_domain_com but once I have all of the registry 
from the old machine exported I should be able to edit
everything from there.  Thanks for your help.

Regards,
Gary
At 03:29 PM 10/31/2004, you wrote:
There are 2 keys you need to move to transfer a domain...You had one of 
them partially. Get the 
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Ipswitch\IMail\Domains\mail.domain.com] and 
the one corresponding to the IP (Real or Virtual) pointed to in the 
address value in the above key. If it is an IP'less domain make sure the 
IP and Address are not duplicates of ones you already have. Keep in mind 
the .reg file he is giving you is a flat text file you can edit with any 
text editor (notepad, textpadmy preference, UltraEdit, etc) to make the 
changes necessary...After you have made any necessary changes and merged 
these into the registry go into the IMail Administrator and set the Top 
Directory to the one that meets your needs..also double check the Host 
Aliases if any.. With all this in place you should be good to go...Of 
course, for safety's sake export your keys so you can get back to where 
you started just in case you miss something like I sometimes do.

Hope this helps
Eric S
- Original Message - From: Gary Brumm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 6:06 PM
Subject: [IMail Forum] Moving users to a new (existing) server

I have a customer who wants to move his IMail customers to a different 
Imail server so he can shut his down.  He is running the same version 
(8.12) and has a separate IP for each domain (as we do).  He sent me some 
registry entries for his domains/users 
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Ipswitch\IMail\Domains\mail.domain.com\Users]but 
when I add one of his entries to our registry it shows up with all of the 
users from our base domain (first one created on our server).  The only 
difference between our base domain and the others is that the users are 
under /IMail/Users instead of like the rest 
(IMail/mail.domain.com/Users). I have looked through the manual but must 
be missing something.  I am sure there is an easy way to do this.

Thanks,
Gary
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Re: [IMail Forum] Moving users to a new (existing) server

[Gary Brumm]

One more thing
Can I just take everything from the Domains branch and export it, then edit 
it,  install it into the other server with out overwriting my existing 
records or should I take each domain  IP record separately and do it one 
record at a time?.

Thanks Again,
Gary
At 03:29 PM 10/31/2004, you wrote:
There are 2 keys you need to move to transfer a domain...You had one of 
them partially. Get the 
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Ipswitch\IMail\Domains\mail.domain.com] and 
the one corresponding to the IP (Real or Virtual) pointed to in the 
address value in the above key. If it is an IP'less domain make sure the 
IP and Address are not duplicates of ones you already have. Keep in mind 
the .reg file he is giving you is a flat text file you can edit with any 
text editor (notepad, textpadmy preference, UltraEdit, etc) to make the 
changes necessary...After you have made any necessary changes and merged 
these into the registry go into the IMail Administrator and set the Top 
Directory to the one that meets your needs..also double check the Host 
Aliases if any.. With all this in place you should be good to go...Of 
course, for safety's sake export your keys so you can get back to where 
you started just in case you miss something like I sometimes do.

Hope this helps
Eric S
- Original Message - From: Gary Brumm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 6:06 PM
Subject: [IMail Forum] Moving users to a new (existing) server

I have a customer who wants to move his IMail customers to a different 
Imail server so he can shut his down.  He is running the same version 
(8.12) and has a separate IP for each domain (as we do).  He sent me some 
registry entries for his domains/users 
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Ipswitch\IMail\Domains\mail.domain.com\Users]but 
when I add one of his entries to our registry it shows up with all of the 
users from our base domain (first one created on our server).  The only 
difference between our base domain and the others is that the users are 
under /IMail/Users instead of like the rest 
(IMail/mail.domain.com/Users). I have looked through the manual but must 
be missing something.  I am sure there is an easy way to do this.

Thanks,
Gary
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Re: [IMail Forum] Moving users to a new (existing) server

[Gary Brumm]

Eric,
As it turned out there were only around 30 domains to move.  I just created 
new domains and assigned the new IP's.  Then I imported
the user  list reg entries.  It looks like everything worked 
great.  Thanks again for your help (on Sunday  a holiday as well.
I am impressed :-).  Have a great (what's left of it) weekend!

Gary
At 06:01 PM 10/31/2004, you wrote:
As long as you make sure there are no duplicate Virtual IP's being used 
before importing it you should be fine...Again  export current one prior 
the import just in case

Have fun!!
Eric S
- Original Message - From: Gary Brumm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Moving users to a new (existing) server

One more thing
Can I just take everything from the Domains branch and export it, then 
edit it,  install it into the other server with out overwriting my 
existing records or should I take each domain  IP record separately and 
do it one record at a time?.

Thanks Again,
Gary
At 03:29 PM 10/31/2004, you wrote:
There are 2 keys you need to move to transfer a domain...You had one of 
them partially. Get the 
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Ipswitch\IMail\Domains\mail.domain.com] and 
the one corresponding to the IP (Real or Virtual) pointed to in the 
address value in the above key. If it is an IP'less domain make sure the 
IP and Address are not duplicates of ones you already have. Keep in mind 
the .reg file he is giving you is a flat text file you can edit with any 
text editor (notepad, textpadmy preference, UltraEdit, etc) to make 
the changes necessary...After you have made any necessary changes and 
merged these into the registry go into the IMail Administrator and set 
the Top Directory to the one that meets your needs..also double check 
the Host Aliases if any.. With all this in place you should be good to 
go...Of course, for safety's sake export your keys so you can get back 
to where you started just in case you miss something like I sometimes do.

Hope this helps
Eric S
- Original Message - From: Gary Brumm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [IMail Forum] Moving users to a new (existing) server

I have a customer who wants to move his IMail customers to a different 
Imail server so he can shut his down.  He is running the same version 
(8.12) and has a separate IP for each domain (as we do).  He sent me 
some registry entries for his domains/users 
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Ipswitch\IMail\Domains\mail.domain.com\Users]but 
when I add one of his entries to our registry it shows up with all of 
the users from our base domain (first one created on our server).  The 
only difference between our base domain and the others is that the 
users are under /IMail/Users instead of like the rest 
(IMail/mail.domain.com/Users). I have looked through the manual but 
must be missing something.  I am sure there is an easy way to do this.

Thanks,
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Re: [IMail Forum] Moving users to a new (existing) server

[Gary Brumm]

Thanks for the info Roger.  I think we have everything completed.  We were 
already doing the DNS for the old server so
that saved a few steps.  If we run into any problems I'll let you know.

Cheers,
Gary
At 07:24 PM 10/31/2004, you wrote:
Here is the way we move domains from one IMail server to another IMail server.
1. Lower DNS refresh rate to 5 minutes.
2. Wait until DNS change is in effect.
3. Add domain to new IMail server
4. copy over files from old server to new servers location.
5. Export registry information for domain from old server.  --domain.old.reg
Example Key location: 
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Ipswitch\IMail\Domains\domain.com
6. Export registry information for domain from new server. -domain.new.reg

7. Now you need to combine the two files into 1 New .reg file
8. Proof read the New file, if it makes sense, import into the registry.
9. Update zone file to show new mail server.
This has worked for us for moving a large # of domains, hope  it works for 
you.
If you are still confused send me a direct mail and I'll try and help.
Roger

Sample .REG information follows:
*
*
* The following is from the domain.new.reg file
*
*
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Ipswitch\IMail\domain\domain.com]
Address=$virtual163
TopDir=D:\\IMail\\domain_com
Flags=dword:
NotifyAddress=
SubMailboxCreate=dword:0001
NotifyPercent=dword:
MaxOutboundSize=dword:
VirusScan=dword:0001
MaxSize=dword:
MaxMsgs=dword:
MaxRcv=dword:
MaxUsers=dword:
UserCount=dword:0001
EnableSSL=dword:0001
ForceSSL=dword:
IcalEnable=dword:0001
SpellEnable=dword:0001
SpellPort=dword:20c1
NoOfSuggestions=dword:0001
MaxTries=dword:0005
MaxDisableDuration=dword:0384
DelUserEntryDuration=dword:0e10
MaxTimesSuspend=dword:0005
 NOTE!  INSERTED 1ST BLOCK HERE (see below) /NOTE!
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Ipswitch\IMail\domain\domain.com\Users]
START  DELETE THE FOLLOWING LINES /START
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Ipswitch\IMail\domain\domain.com\Users\root]
MailAddr=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
FullName=System Administrator
Password=E2D0E2E7E9DEE1D8
Flags=dword:0007
Type=dword:
MaxSize=dword:
MaxMsgs=dword:
LastNotify=dword:
NumNotify=dword:
SuspendUserAccount=dword:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Ipswitch\IMail\domain\domain.com\Users\zippity]
MailAddr=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
FullName=Zip Itty
Password=CDCED3E2CEE8
Flags=dword:0080
Type=dword:
MaxSize=dword:01312d00
MaxMsgs=dword:03e8
LastNotify=dword:
NumNotify=dword:
SuspendUserAccount=dword:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Ipswitch\IMail\domain\domain.com\Users\_aliases]
postmaster=root
 END DELETE THE ABOVE LINES /END
 NOTE!  INSERTED 2ND BLOCK HERE (see below) /NOTE!
*
*
* The following is from the domain.new.reg file
*
*
* You want to delete the 4 lines marked with a DELETE-ME-
* as you will get these values from the new server
* Then copy what is left into the area above as indicated below
*
*

DELETE-ME-REGEDIT4
DELETE-ME- [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Ipswitch\IMail\domain\domain.com]
DELETE-ME- Address=$virtual166
DELETE-ME- TopDir=d:\\MailBoxes\\domain.com
 NOTE!  INSERTED FOLLOWING LINES INTO 1ST AREA ABOVE /NOTE!
Flags=dword:
MaxSize=dword:004c4b40
MaxMsgs=dword:03e8
MaxRcv=dword:
MaxUsers=dword:000c
UserCount=dword:0008
 NOTE!  INSERTED FOLLOWING LINES INTO 2ND AREA ABOVE /NOTE!
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Ipswitch\IMail\domain\domain.com\Users]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Ipswitch\IMail\domain\domain.com\Users\accounting]
MailAddr=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
FullName=accounting
Password=A7D5D2DDE99BB8CEE1D2
Flags=dword:0080
Type=dword:
MaxSize=dword:004c4b40
MaxMsgs=dword:03e8
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Ipswitch\IMail\domain\domain.com\Users\user2]
MailAddr=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
FullName=user2
Password=AD6CD6ZE2D7CDC6C3D7DD
Flags=dword:0080
Type=dword:
MaxSize=dword:004c4b40
MaxMsgs=dword:03e8
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Ipswitch\IMail\domain\domain.com\Users\root]
MailAddr=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
FullName=System Administrator
Password=E2D0E2E7E9DEE1D8
Flags=dword:0007
Type=dword:
MaxSize=dword:
MaxMsgs=dword:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Ipswitch\IMail\domain\domain.com\Users\_aliases]
postmaster=root
 NOTE!  INSERTED ABOVE LINES INTO 2ND AREA ABOVE /NOTE!
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Re: [IMail Forum] Alternate FTP Server

[Gary Brumm]

WarFTP Serverit's FREE and I have used it on many servers for the
last 5 or 6 years and it has been great.
http://support.jgaa.com/index.php?cmd=ShowProductID=3PHPSESSID=94c5a3f8ad6dd3ee1e45e3e4b96401c4


At 08:59 AM 10/28/2004, you wrote:
Anyone know of a
good and cheap FTP server I could used in place of the Ipswitch
offering? Considering the present day circumstances, I'm a little
leary of using WS_FTP Server. Not to mention the belief of some at
Ipswitch that all IMail sales should be accompanied by a WS_FTP Server
sale, which makes me just a tad bit concerned that WS_FTP Server could
end up as the next addition to Collaboration Suite.

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RE: [IMail Forum] Heads Up ... IPSwitch

[Gary Brumm]

Here's one place you can express your epinion
http://www.epinions.com/Internet_Communication_Applications-Ipswitch
At 10:10 AM 10/28/2004, you wrote:
This is exactly what needs to happen.  We need to get this story out.  It
needs to be publicized so that Ipswitch sees that their reputation is going
to suffer from this decision.  We need to get it all over the internet so
that whenever anyone searches for Ipswitch ICS they get the story of how
Ipswitch abandoned its own customers to go after someone else's.
As I see it, Ipswitch is just ignoring us while reading every single email
to the list (isn't that right, Jill?).  They're popping in now and then with
sales pushes and with the occasional bit of spin, but it is obvious that
they have chosen to ignore us.  We on the list are probably a small portion
of their customer base, and as long as we keep it on this list we aren't
making them feel the consequences of their decision.  This story needs to be
public.
Ipswitch, this means WAR!
(well, at least WarFTP instead of WS-FTP Server)
Post this story to any tech site you know!

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Craddock
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [IMail Forum] Heads Up ... IPSwitch
Anyone seen this?
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2004/10/26.html
I'm thinking IPSwitch might want to reconsider their decision. Then again,
what do I care? I've already decided to move to another product. I really
don't care to rely on a company who would seriously consider, much less
implement, a policy like this.
Larry Craddock
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RE: [IMail Forum] Collaboration tools exposed

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At 01:51 PM 10/27/2004, you wrote:
Well, that takes care of me wanting shared calendars for my office!  Thank
you!
Yes but if you only need say a few of your users to share calendars with 
WorkgroupShare you can buy only the licenses you need, you don't need to 
buy their 250 user license which is what IPSwitch is FORCING you to do.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James P. Bednarz
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:36 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [IMail Forum] Collaboration tools exposed
I downloaded the trial of ICS and as we all suspected it is simply an
install of Imail, IpswitchIM, and Workgroupshare (www.workgroupshare.com)
3 separate programs connected by an installer.
The 3 software programs are not tied together one bit by code and do not
rely on each other for anything.
The other installers install Imail 8.13 and IM 2.01 individually
If you go to www.workgroupshare.com you can buy the collaboration software
component 250 user license for $2995.
Its almost as if Ipswitch is selling Imail, and IM as a cheap add on to this
workgroupshare software.
All of this just makes you want to say What in tarnation is going on here?
The fall of Ipswitch could be as bad as the fall of the New York Yankees!

James P. Bednarz
Information Technology Manager
Kaestle Boos Associates, Inc.
Teamwork Rules!
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Re: [IMail Forum] Collaboration is now available :(

[Gary Brumm]

At 05:26 PM 10/26/2004, you wrote:
yahoogroups are terrible, if someone really wants a forum for all this I 
can throw a section up on one of the many forums I run

however, you have to admit at least IPSwitch hasn't killed the discussion 
yet...Gordano (NTMail) banned all discussion about it shortly after they 
pulled nearly the same stunt
Yes I remember the pride I felt when I was banned from Gordano list (as 
were most of the other people there :-)..


Travis Rabe wrote:
OK...For those of you in fear of losing touch with this online community and
to share other experiences with replacement software, please feel free to
join here.
Post message:
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As I said, maybe this is just a bad dream and we can all wake up tomorrow
and it will be all over.
Travis
I agree, but I think the damage has been done.  My trust in this company has
folded.  I would have never thought twice about something Ipswitch has done
or asked me to do.  When they ask me to renew, I do.  When I am asked to try
new solutions to their bugs, I do.  When I am told to hold on, a fix will be
out, I do.  IN fact, I go one step further and tell my colleagues what a
great product this is and I have rolled it out for them on a few occasions.
And then yesterday, this.  I still cannot believe this is really happening.
Maybe this is just one big bad dream.
In all seriousnessI am going to start a Yahoo Group/List and I will post
bake here with the info.  I don't want to lose contact with this community.
Travis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dev
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:23 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] Collaboration is now available :(
I will wager that the entire management team and
marketing department are reading every one of these
posts in horror.
They realize they have screwed up BADLY. Marketing got
enamored with a couple of high end clients, and
completely lost site of the core business.
I would love to be a fly on the wall of that
hastily-called meeting today where the marketing guys
are going to be boiled in oil. The marketing flaks may
have just cost them the continued viability of
Ipswitch.
Dev
Tuesday, October 26, 2004, 11:46:31 AM, you wrote:
CT I wonder how many people there are out there
CT that are going to look at
CT moving from IMail to some other product.
CT I just spoke with a nice lady in the Sales
CT Department and she said this
CT decision was based on Market Research done by
CT the Marketing Department.
CT Maybe IPSwitch needs to start directing their
CT market research to the people
CT that actually use their product.
CT Just my $0.02 ...
CT Chris
CT -Original Message-
CT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
CT On Behalf Of Langston, Cale
CT Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:41 PM
CT To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
CT Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Collaboration is now available :(
CT Well just broke the news to my boss. He asked
CT me to start looking for a
CT replacement for IMail and WSFTP.
CT -Original Message-
CT From: Troy D. Hilton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
CT Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 2:29 PM
CT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CT Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Collaboration is now available :(
CT I second the servers Alive product. It's works
CT very well. And Dirk is great
CT to work with for support. I've used their
CT product for almost 5 years. Works
CT very well.
CT Troy D. Hilton
CT SofWerks LLC.
CT [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CT -Original Message-
CT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
CT On Behalf Of Jacques Brouwers
CT Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:06 PM
CT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CT Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Collaboration is now available :(
CT I use servers alive. It is free for up to 10
CT servers and loaded with
CT features!
CT http://www.woodstone.nu/salive/
CT Jacques
CT -Original Message-
CT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
CT Behalf Of Elliott Bujan
CT Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:47 AM
CT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CT Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Collaboration is now available :(
CT Our contract will not be up until next april so as to Whatsup.
CT there are other solutions to whatsup, IPSwitch
CT is coming with whatsup pro
CT which I can tell you is nice but coming from a
CT company with unexpected
CT changes and lack of customer awareness, I will be looking elsewhere
CT (convincing my boss is the easy part)
CT Nagios is opensource, looks great and strong.  Being a cisco shop,
CT ciscoworks is another solution, what about somix and their webnm?
CT Thank you,
CT Elliott
CT ===
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RE: [IMail Forum] Ipswitch Collaboration Suite

[Gary Brumm]

Gordano did this to their customers who were using their NTMail 
product.  What started out as a ($795) great email server
evolved into a ($20,000) buggy piece of (poorly supported with very high $ 
service contracts) junk and many of their customers
left it for other products (as did I).  When I switched to IMail (with the 
Declude AV/JunkMail) I found a solution that was priced
right, stable, and well supported.  Now it looks like IPSwitch is making 
the same mistake and I am going to have to look for another
email server vendor.  They had been talking about this colaboration feature 
being an add on to keep people from dumping IMail
before they were ready to sell this new product.  This was very unethical 
and really stinks!!


At 12:50 PM 10/25/2004, you wrote:
 We realize that this is a big change, but it is one that has been long in
 coming.  Ipswitch feels confident that ICS is a solution that the market
has
 been clamoring for.
ABSOLUTLY NOT!
Add-on product, yes. Packaged replacement, no.
There is no way I can afford $4000 as a small business ISP to upgrade my
current Imail server. Not now, not a month from now, not 6 months from now.
John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:IMail_Forum-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jill Jones
 Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:27 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [IMail Forum] Ipswitch Collaboration Suite

 Hi All,

 As you are aware, Ipswitch has announced a new flagship messaging product
 called Ipswitch Collaboration Suite (ICS).  ICS is a comprehensive
 communication and collaboration solution for small and medium sized
 businesses, schools and service providers.  ICS provides all the tools
your
 business needs to communicate and collaborate efficiently - email,
 discussion lists, protection from spam and viruses, instant messaging, and
 when using Microsoft Outlook, shared calendars and global contacts.

 If you currently hold a Service Agreement for IMail, the terms of that
 Service Agreement are still valid, so any updates that are made available
 (8.14, 8.15, etc.) will be yours to apply to your IMail server.  However,
we
 will no longer be selling IMail or Ipswitch Instant Messaging as
stand-alone
 products or stand-alone service.

 For those of you interested in evaluating ICS, please visit our website to
 download a 30-day evaluation version.  Remember, if you install the
 evaluation version on your IMail machine, be sure not to install the
30-day
 version over your current IMail install, or you'll have to reinstall IMail
 with the 30 days are up.  (You will not lose any users, messages or
 settings).


 Best regards,
 Jill Jones
 Product Manager, Messaging
 Ipswitch Inc.



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Re: [IMail Forum] Collaboration is now available :(

[Gary Brumm]

At 08:27 PM 10/25/2004, you wrote:
So, does anyone have a way to retrieve user passwords for a migration?
There's a free password extractor at croftssoftware.com .
http://croftssoftware.com/downloads/Decode_IMail_Users_Password_Setup.exe
Gary


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Re: [IMail Forum] Collaboration is now available :(

[Gary Brumm]

When NTMail (Gordano) screwed there users like this a lot of them went to a 
product called Surgermail
http://netwinsite.com/surgemail/ and claimed that it performed very well 
under very heavy loads..
unfortunately I went to IMail instead and I now find myself in the same 
situation all over again.

At 09:16 PM 10/25/2004, you wrote:
I like SmarterMail, just took a look at their webmail and is pretty cool. 
Like their Antispam GUI, how effective is their antispam?

Does their migration util really work? If so I would move at the end of 
our service agreement,

- Original Message - From: Mike Griffin - Handy Networks, LLC 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:01 AM
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Collaboration is now available :(

I would recommend to all that they take a look at SmarterMail by
SmarterTools (www.smartertools.com).  Their pricing is just as
reasonable as MailEnable, and for those who might care, they are US
based and offer phone support.  They also have a migration utility that
lets you convert from iMail to SmarterMail painlessly.  I know we are
hoping that Scott jumps on the SmarterMail bandwagon.  If you buy
SmarterMail through a reseller, you can typically get 30-50% off list.
Also, I have extensive expierience with MailEnable Pro, and while it's a
good product and a great value, I don't necessarily think it's a great
product (I feel the same about iMial, actually).
-Jay
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Foresman
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Collaboration is now available :(
MailEnable looks damn good!!!
Enterprise version is only $560 and has more features than we paid for.
If I
were Declude or MxGuard I would latch onto that mail server. Hint
Hint...
Bill Foresman
Matrosity Hosting
www.matrosityhosting.com
Office: (850) 656-2644

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Robertson
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:26 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Collaboration is now available :(
Scott wrote
I think the main problem for us won't be the lowered sales from people

who try to use the built-in anti-spam/anti-virus in ICS, but instead
will be the lowered sales from people dumping IMail
I hate to say it but I'm one of those.  I'm buying a mail server
probably
within the next 30 days for a client's server I'm managing.
Declude Virus would have been on my buy list.  Now the money is probably
going to go to Merak and I'll use an open source product for spam/virus.
--
--Matt Robertson--
President, Janitor
MSB Designs, Inc.
mysecretbase.com
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Re: [IMail Forum] Collaboration is now available :(

[Gary Brumm]

I wonder how long it will be that IPSwitch starts blocking people making 
negative comments on this list about their company and recommendations for 
better products (like Gordano/NTMail did).  The NTMail users got so pissed 
off that they formed their own lists and supported each other that way.  It 
was better support than we ever got from Gordano.  I really hope IPSwitch 
decides to listen to their
customers (while they are still around).

At 10:03 PM 10/25/2004, you wrote:
IPSwitch is following down the path of Gordano.  I have had to jump ship 
several times now.  When post.office screwed their customers I moved to 
NTMail, when NTMail screwed their customers I moved to IMail...now 
IPSwitch is screwing their customers...time to evaluate the options out 
there again.  A couple mentioned so far are mailenable and 
smartertools.  It would be nice if people would comment in the thread new 
subject - alternates on all the pros/cons and options available.

Gary Brumm wrote:
When NTMail (Gordano) screwed there users like this a lot of them went to 
a product called Surgermail
http://netwinsite.com/surgemail/ and claimed that it performed very well 
under very heavy loads..
unfortunately I went to IMail instead and I now find myself in the 
same situation all over again.
At 09:16 PM 10/25/2004, you wrote:

I like SmarterMail, just took a look at their webmail and is pretty 
cool. Like their Antispam GUI, how effective is their antispam?

Does their migration util really work? If so I would move at the end of 
our service agreement,

- Original Message - From: Mike Griffin - Handy Networks, LLC 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:01 AM
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Collaboration is now available :(

I would recommend to all that they take a look at SmarterMail by
SmarterTools (www.smartertools.com).  Their pricing is just as
reasonable as MailEnable, and for those who might care, they are US
based and offer phone support.  They also have a migration utility that
lets you convert from iMail to SmarterMail painlessly.  I know we are
hoping that Scott jumps on the SmarterMail bandwagon.  If you buy
SmarterMail through a reseller, you can typically get 30-50% off list.
Also, I have extensive expierience with MailEnable Pro, and while it's a
good product and a great value, I don't necessarily think it's a great
product (I feel the same about iMial, actually).
-Jay
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Foresman
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Collaboration is now available :(
MailEnable looks damn good!!!
Enterprise version is only $560 and has more features than we paid for.
If I
were Declude or MxGuard I would latch onto that mail server. Hint
Hint...
Bill Foresman
Matrosity Hosting
www.matrosityhosting.com
Office: (850) 656-2644

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Robertson
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:26 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Collaboration is now available :(
Scott wrote
I think the main problem for us won't be the lowered sales from people

who try to use the built-in anti-spam/anti-virus in ICS, but instead
will be the lowered sales from people dumping IMail

I hate to say it but I'm one of those.  I'm buying a mail server
probably
within the next 30 days for a client's server I'm managing.
Declude Virus would have been on my buy list.  Now the money is probably
going to go to Merak and I'll use an open source product for spam/virus.
--
--Matt Robertson--
President, Janitor
MSB Designs, Inc.
mysecretbase.com
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RE: [IMail Forum] Webmail server name issue

[Gary Brumm]

I get this response immediately when I try to send to anyone in this domain.
Is this just a problem on their end?
undeliverable to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Body of message generated response:
554 5.7.1 Command rejected
Here is the log of the transaction
10:15 17:34 SMTPD(6cae00b801c8b63d) Authenticated [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
session treated as local.
10:15 17:34 SMTPD(6cae00b801c8b63d) [216.102.58.39] MAIL 
FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
10:15 17:34 SMTPD(6cae00b801c8b63d) [216.102.58.39] RCPT 
TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
10:15 17:34 SMTPD(6cae00b801c8b63d) [216.102.58.39] 
D:\IMail\spool\D6cae00b801c8b63d.SMD 1510
10:15 17:34 SMTPD(6c9500da0212b631) [201.128.110.206] 
D:\IMail\spool\D6c9500da0212b631.SMD 3014
10:15 17:34 SMTPD(6c9500da0212b631) performing antispam checks
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) processing 
D:\IMail\spool\Q6cae00b801c8b63d.SMD
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) Trying ablecomm.com (0)
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) Connect ablecomm.com 
[216.136.232.238:25] (1)
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 220 Fri, ESMTP 15 Oct 2004 17:38:25 
-0700 (PDT)
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) EHLO mail.comsec.net
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 250-milter102.store.sc5.yahoo.com Hello 
mail.comsec.net [207.212.192.10], pleased to meet you
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 250-PIPELINING
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 250-EXPN
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 250-VERB
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 250-8BITMIME
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 250-SIZE
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 250-DSN
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 250-ETRN
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 250-DELIVERBY
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 250 HELP
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 250 2.1.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Sender ok
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) RCPT To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 250 2.1.5 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... 
Recipient ok
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) DATA
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 354 Enter mail, end with . on a line 
by itself
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) .
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 554 5.7.1 Command rejected
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) ERR undeliverable 554 5.7.1 Command 
rejected
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) SMTP_DELIV_FAILED
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) QUIT
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 221 2.0.0 milter102.store.sc5.yahoo.com 
closing connection
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) Creating message from Postmaster
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) finished 
D:\IMail\spool\Q6cae00b801c8b63d.SMD status=2

Thanks in advance,
Gary
ComsecNet
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[IMail Forum] 554 5.7.1 Command rejected

[Gary Brumm]

I get this response immediately when I try to send to anyone in this domain.
Is this just a problem on their end?
undeliverable to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Body of message generated response:
554 5.7.1 Command rejected
Here is the log of the transaction
10:15 17:34 SMTPD(6cae00b801c8b63d) Authenticated [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
session treated as local.
10:15 17:34 SMTPD(6cae00b801c8b63d) [216.102.58.39] MAIL 
FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
10:15 17:34 SMTPD(6cae00b801c8b63d) [216.102.58.39] RCPT 
TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
10:15 17:34 SMTPD(6cae00b801c8b63d) [216.102.58.39] 
D:\IMail\spool\D6cae00b801c8b63d.SMD 1510
10:15 17:34 SMTPD(6c9500da0212b631) [201.128.110.206] 
D:\IMail\spool\D6c9500da0212b631.SMD 3014
10:15 17:34 SMTPD(6c9500da0212b631) performing antispam checks
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) processing 
D:\IMail\spool\Q6cae00b801c8b63d.SMD
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) Trying ablecomm.com (0)
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) Connect ablecomm.com 
[216.136.232.238:25] (1)
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 220 Fri, ESMTP 15 Oct 2004 17:38:25 
-0700 (PDT)
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) EHLO mail.comsec.net
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 250-milter102.store.sc5.yahoo.com Hello 
mail.comsec.net [207.212.192.10], pleased to meet you
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 250-PIPELINING
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 250-EXPN
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 250-VERB
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 250-8BITMIME
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 250-SIZE
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 250-DSN
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 250-ETRN
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 250-DELIVERBY
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 250 HELP
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 250 2.1.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Sender ok
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) RCPT To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 250 2.1.5 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... 
Recipient ok
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) DATA
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 354 Enter mail, end with . on a line 
by itself
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) .
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 554 5.7.1 Command rejected
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) ERR undeliverable 554 5.7.1 Command 
rejected
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) SMTP_DELIV_FAILED
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) QUIT
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 221 2.0.0 milter102.store.sc5.yahoo.com 
closing connection
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) Creating message from Postmaster
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) finished 
D:\IMail\spool\Q6cae00b801c8b63d.SMD status=2

Thanks in advance,
Gary
ComsecNet
Dedicated Data Services
Stockton, CA
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Fax:(209) 938-0481
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Re: [IMail Forum] 554 5.7.1 Command rejected

[Gary Brumm]

At 08:09 PM 10/15/2004, you wrote:
On Friday, October 15, 2004, 22:24:25, Gary Brumm wrote:
 I get this response immediately when I try to send to anyone in this 
domain.
 Is this just a problem on their end?
  ...
 10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) DATA
 10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 354 Enter mail, end with . on a 
line by itself
 10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) .
 10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 554 5.7.1 Command rejected

Enhanced Mail System Status Codes
http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1893.txt
X.7.1   Delivery not authorized, message refused
  The sender is not authorized to send to the destination.
  This can be the result of per-host or per-recipient
  filtering.  This memo does not discuss the merits of any
  such filtering, but provides a mechanism to report such.
  This is useful only as a permanent error.
Best guess since you got it after the DATA is they didn't like something
in  the  message  body.  You'll  have  to  ask them what their filtering
This is odd since we have had many email transactions over the years and
I get the same message even with only the word test in the body.
Thanks,
Gary

criteria are.
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Re: [IMail Forum] 554 5.7.1 Command rejected

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I just sent a message with nothing but test in the body and got the same 
result.
could the subject contain something it doesn't like?

Gary
At 07:55 PM 10/15/2004, you wrote:
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) DATA
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 354 Enter mail, end with . on a 
line by itself
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) .
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) 554 5.7.1 Command rejected
10:15 17:34 SMTP-(6cae00b801c8b63d) ERR undeliverable 554 5.7.1 Command 
rejected
looks like it didn't like something in the DATA command. try sending with 
an innocuous body of test

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Re: [IMail Forum] 554 5.7.1 Command rejected

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At 09:57 PM 10/15/2004, you wrote:
I just sent a message with nothing but test in the body and got the 
same result.
could the subject contain something it doesn't like?
Subject:
is part of the DATA command, yes.
Len
Len,
I tried it with test in the subject and in the body and still got the same 
result.
I will call them on Monday and find out what the deal is.
Thanks for your input,
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Re: [IMail Forum] 554 5.7.1 Command rejected

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At 10:35 PM 10/15/2004, you wrote:
On Saturday, October 16, 2004, 00:28:24, Gary Brumm wrote:
Best guess since you got it after the DATA is they didn't like something
in  the  message  body.  You'll  have  to  ask them what their filtering
criteria are.

 This is odd since we have had many email transactions over the years and
 I get the same message even with only the word test in the body.
Then  it  might  be  something like your IP address or domain they don't
like altho in that case it would be inefficient to accept the DATA.
Perhaps  they delay final acceptance until some user definable filtering
is  performed  but  that  would  be  an issue if there was more than one
recipient.
Have you contacted their postmaster to ask them to look in their logs?
Rod,
I have done business with these guys for years via email.  I'm going to 
give them
a call on Monday to see what the problem is.
Thanks for the help,
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Re: [IMail Forum] Virus Scanning --

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No question about itIMHO definitely Declude.  We have used Declude 
Virus (with F-Prot) for a couple years and it has performed extremely 
well.  We just added Declude JunkMail Pro and it is proving to be another 
great product.

Gary
At 12:37 PM 10/12/2004, you wrote:
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We are in the processes of evaluating a change in our virus scanning
software we have been looking at Panda for server/Desktop however I do
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Re: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] OT: Primary Name Server

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Pete, I am sure most of the people here agree with youas do I.
Cheers,
Gary
At 09:50 AM 9/10/2004, you wrote:
Well said, Pete.
Darin.
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LC no surprise, second guess my posts here, and if you had a clue what I
was
LC talking about, you'd be embarrassed at how stupid and ignorant you look
LC with you post total BS like this.  But like, like our shrub-in-chief,
LC you're too stupid and ideological to know how stupid you are.
Is this kind of thing really necessary?
Are you not embarrassed at making such an unprofessional display?
Not that it matters, Len, but I am embarrassed for you.
Is this how you want to be recalled from the archives?
Please stop it - or at least take it off list.
I'm sure I'm not the only one here who feels this way.
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Re: [IMail Forum] Convert this to English please?

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At 08:37 AM 7/30/2004, you wrote:
With spammers abusing domains with tons of random recipients, the nobody 
alias is more evil than a CIA terrorist analysis or a shrub mission 
accomplished bumper sticker.
One of the biggest selling bumper stickers here is Boycot France and it's 
a good one.  Why don't you stay on topic or STFU.
Remember what you said next time France is in trouble and we have to bail 
you out (again).  Perhaps you would like
it better if you were having to speak German today?  Please keep your 
arrogance reserved to IT issues and keep your ignorant
political views to yourself.

End of thread please.

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RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New Ipswitch Forums no Imail?

[Gary Brumm]

Since it seems that all but a couple people would like to keep using this 
list how about we just don't use
or contribute to the new web forum.  Without the main contributors (you 
know who you are) the forum will
be of no use and will probably be shut down.  I think this would be a good 
way to let IPswitch know how we
feel.  If the support gets split by having users on this list and the forum 
it will be a disaster IMHO.

Gary
At 08:41 AM 7/16/2004, you wrote:
Is it possible for someone to setup our own list? Perhaps a Yahoo Group or
something for Imail users. I don't know how it would be sponsored or managed
but hey, it's just a thought. I suppose Ipswitch wouldn't like that much but
they should be thinking more about keeping their customers happy.
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Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New Ipswitch Forums no Imail?
For 6 or 7 years, this mailing list (as well as the wsftp and wug lists) has
been PUSHED to subscribers without any problems or complaints.
Now, some (new hire?) mucky muck at Ipswitch (very probably someone who does
NOT admin Imail nor has NOT been following/participating in the Imail list
for 7 years) has decided on a management initiative to kick the sleeping
dog, fix what's not broken, to kill the Imail list, and force the list
members to WASTE THEIR TIME going to a website to PULL the same info from an
interactive forum.
Pushing the info over email to the subscribers is much more efficient for
the subscribers than the subscribers pulling the info through http.
The argument that an interactive http forum also provides a msg search
function as justification for killing the list server is spurious.
The list leave isn't broken, leave it alone.
If the mail-archive.com isn't sufficient, then Ipswitch should fix THAT
problem, not break the list service.
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Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New Ipswitch Forums no Imail?

[Gary Brumm]

I have to agree with SandyIf ever there was a situation that called for 
a me too response this
is certainly the time for it.  Moving to the web forum format is a really 
bad idea

Oh yeah I almost forgot.ME TOO :-)
Cheers
Gary
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 I  dont  think  we need a me_too thing here I imagine everyone is in
 favor of keeping this list or they wouldnt be on it :)
That  doesn't  really  make  sense,  as  there were no alternatives to
mailing  list  subscription  when we signed up. It's relevant to state
that, given a choice, we would still choose the mailing list.
IMO,  if  a  POP3/IMAP4 mail admin really prefers a web-based bulletin
board, they're in the wrong business, or perhaps have chosen the wrong
mail client.
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RE: [IMail Forum] New Ipswitch Forums no Imail?

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At 07:17 PM 7/15/2004, you wrote:
It's obviously that the mailing list is difficult. Most people even
don't know how to
subscribe and reply post.
If it is too difficult for someone to sign up on IPSwitch's website to 
subscribe and then read the bottom
of EVERY message to unsubscribe they should probably not be running their 
own mail server (which is
the only reason to subscribe to this list in the first place).  Anyone who 
cant figure out how to reply to a
post by hitting REPLY probably is having problems just using email in the 
first place.
.am I missing something here??

Gary
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Is Imail going to be added to the new forums?
http://www.ipswitch.com/forums/default.aspx
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Re: [IMail Forum] OT : DNS / DHCP headaches

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Give Simple DNS a try
(www.jhsoft.com).
It will replace both the MS DHCP and Bind with a stable  secure (at
least in my experience) easy to manage solution. I have been
running this for a few years with absolutely no problems
whatsoever. They have a 30 day trial you can download and is very
reasonably priced.
Gary
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I know this is
definately off topic, but with all the service providers and consulting
firms out on this list I figured I'd toss this out.
I inherited a network configuration that is using MS Dhcp server (w2k)
and Bind 9.2.3 build for W2k.

Everything seems to work ok except I get
leftovers in the reverse file. Leftover - multiple names
resolving to the same IP.

Any ideas on how to stop this would be appreciated OR if you
know of a tool which can rebuild the reverse from the forward, let me
know.

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Re: [IMail Forum] Command Line based pop3 client

[Gary Brumm]

Chris,
Take a look at 
NetMailBot: 
http://www.exclamationsoft.com/exclamationsoft/netmailbot/default.asp
It is a bit pricey but is very configurable and does POP3 and SMTP from the 
command line.

Gary
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Hi,
It's a bit off topic, but: I need a command line based POP3 client. This 
tool should
receive an mail and should store an attachment to the disk.

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Re: [IMail Forum] Blocking a large IP range

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At 06:57 AM 3/15/2004, you wrote:
I want to block this IP range in the SMTP access control
66.117.0.0 - 66.117.31.255
Can someone tell me the proper subnet mask to use ?
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Re: [IMail Forum] Defrag on Win2000

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We are using a batch file with contig.exe (that was just posted by 
Christopher Checca) to stop services,
defrag, and then restart the services.  It runs via the scheduler, early in 
the morning and only defrags the IMail directory.
We also use Diskeeper for everything else with the IMail directory 
excluded.  We also run the immsgexp.exe utility daily
before the IMail defrag that deletes all mail older than 30 days.  This 
keeps the mailbox sizes from getting to large and makes
the IMail directory defrag take very little time.  This has been running 
without any problems for at least 6 months.

Gary

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In an attempt to help out performance with iMAil, we are going to defrag 
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Re: [IMail Forum] OT: Great Utility for Imail 8

[Gary Brumm]

Hi Curt,
Yes, the files were read only (I should have thought to check that 
first:).
I changed the attributes and everything worked just fine.  If your next 
version
checks for and corrects this it will probably save a few support emails (like
this one) from others.  Thanks for providing these extremely useful programs.

Cheers,

Gary

At 05:15 AM 2/16/2004, you wrote:
Make sure that your url-domain-bl.txt and
phrase-list.txt don't have their attributes set to
read only. I'm not sure how that could have happened,
but it sounds like that may be the problem. I'll see
what I can do about having the programs fix that
automatically in the next release. Let me know if it
works.
Thanks!
  Curt Turner
--- Gary Brumm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello Curt,
  I have downloaded and installed both of
 your utilities.  They seem
 to merge the files just fine
 but I get a Run time error 75 Path/File access
 error when it tries to
 save the file.  Any help you
 can provide would be appreciated.  These apps will
 be a real time
 saver  (as Travis has already pointed out:).

 Thanks!

 Gary


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 Travis (and anyone else who's interested),
 
 I just did a slight re-write of the URL Blacklist
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 phrase
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 Yesterday I downloaded the free utility from
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Re: [IMail Forum] OT: Great Utility for Imail 8

[Gary Brumm]

Hello Curt,
I have downloaded and installed both of your utilities.  They seem 
to merge the files just fine
but I get a Run time error 75 Path/File access error when it tries to 
save the file.  Any help you
can provide would be appreciated.  These apps will be a real time 
saver  (as Travis has already pointed out:).

Thanks!

Gary

At 07:36 AM 2/14/2004, you wrote:
Travis (and anyone else who's interested),

I just did a slight re-write of the URL Blacklist
Manager to create an identical utility for the phrase
list. You can snag it at
http://www.turner3d.net/PLMSetup.exe
Curt Turner

--- Travis Rabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,

   Yesterday I downloaded the free utility from
 Ipswitch's website, URL
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 saves me a ton of work
 every time the new lists come out.  Is there one in
 the works for the
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RE: [IMail Forum] Log Reports

[Gary Brumm]

Sure, I will give it a try.  We've used just about every other one out there.

Thanks,

Gary

At 06:58 AM 2/6/2004, you wrote:
Hello,

We have a log analyzer available for $295 that we are about to release.  We
are looking for people who want to beta test it.  Is anyone interested in a
free copy?
Please let me know, you can read about it here:
http://www.somix.com/products/logalot_imail.php
Live demonstration site here:
http://www.imailreports.com
L: imail
P: imail
Sincerely,

Scott Campbell
Somix Technologies
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Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Log Reports
Since I didn't get a response the first time, I'll ask again.

What application(s) do you all use to view your log files to query for
reports?  Crystal Reports?
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[IMail Forum] X-IMAIL-SPAM-VALHELO

[Gary Brumm]

Good morning all,

I am having the following problem:
When I send to another IMail 8.03 server using my IMail 8.03 server as SMTP 
the message
is bounced appearing to fail the X-IMAIL-SPAM-VALHELO test.  The admin of 
the receiving
server does not have this test enabled.  My server shouldn't fail this test 
(correct me if I am wrong)
even if this test was enabled in the first place.  When I use another SMTP 
server to send to him it
works without any problem.  Here is the bounce message I receive:

undeliverable  to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Original message follows.

Received: from mail.comsec.net [207.212.192.10] by mail.webdancers.com with 
ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-8.03) id A6083F90222; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:13:12 -0800
Received: from douglas.comsec.net [216.102.58.39] by mail.comsec.net with ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-8.03) id A5A11A98001C; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:11:29 -0800
Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:13:10 -0800
To: Greg Falken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Gary Brumm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Fwd: Important- Automated 5 day deactivation notice 2003-10-26
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=0; format=flowed
X-IMAIL-SPAM-VALHELO: (446169116)



Thanks in advance for any help you can provide,

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RE: [IMail Forum] X-IMAIL-SPAM-VALHELO

[Gary Brumm]

At 09:01 AM 10/27/2003, you wrote:
If your IMail server has the HELO test enabled then it is the one 
inserting the X-Header

Your mail client is using a HELO name that doesn't resolve to an IP address

ping douglas.comsec.net
Unknown host douglas.comsec.net.
Your mail server (mail.comsec.net) is fine as it correctly resolves to an 
IP address

So you can do a few things here

1. Add your clients IP address to the server's Trusted IP address List
2. make douglas.comsec.net resolve to an IP address
3. disable the HELO test
One of the 3 should fix your HELO test problem
I didn't realize that the HELO test was enabled on my server.
I disabled it and that took care of it.

As for the message bouncing, your going to have to look @ the logs, the 
answer will be there
The message was bouncing because the receiving server had a rule to bounce 
all X-IMAIL-SPAM headers.
Thanks for the quick response!

Gary


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Subject: [IMail Forum] X-IMAIL-SPAM-VALHELO
Good morning all,

I am having the following problem:
When I send to another IMail 8.03 server using my IMail 8.03 server as SMTP
the message
is bounced appearing to fail the X-IMAIL-SPAM-VALHELO test.  The admin of
the receiving
server does not have this test enabled.  My server shouldn't fail this test
(correct me if I am wrong)
even if this test was enabled in the first place.  When I use another SMTP
server to send to him it
works without any problem.  Here is the bounce message I receive:
undeliverable  to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Original message follows.

Received: from mail.comsec.net [207.212.192.10] by mail.webdancers.com with
ESMTP
   (SMTPD32-8.03) id A6083F90222; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:13:12 -0800
Received: from douglas.comsec.net [216.102.58.39] by mail.comsec.net with 
ESMTP
   (SMTPD32-8.03) id A5A11A98001C; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:11:29 -0800
Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:13:10 -0800
To: Greg Falken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Gary Brumm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Fwd: Important- Automated 5 day deactivation notice 2003-10-26
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=0; format=flowed
X-IMAIL-SPAM-VALHELO: (446169116)



Thanks in advance for any help you can provide,

Gary Brumm

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[IMail Forum] OT: Exchange server AV Anti SPAM

[Gary Brumm]

I have a customer with an exchange server that we are trying to find a good 
anti virus  anti spam solution for.
If anyone has any recommendations or knows of products to avoid I would 
like to hear from you.
You can respond directly off list if you like.  Thanks in advance.

Regards,

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Re: [IMail Forum] OT - Dnsstuff Down?

[Gary Brumm]

Scott,
Take a look at http://jhsoft.com .  Simple DNS has been working 
for us for over 2 years without
a single problem.  We used BIND before that and had all sorts of 
problems.  It's reasonably priced, fast,
and dependable.

Gary

At 11:03 AM 9/23/2003, you wrote:

Scott, I'm trying to parse 
http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip= 
link but everything is timing out? Any news?
It's working now.  It seems that BIND hung again -- BIND 9 for Windows has 
a terrible time with hanging.  The service re-set once a day, which helps 
a lot, but it still occasionally goes down.  Worse, if we go back to 
previous versions of BIND, there's a major reverse DNS bug in them (if 
you've ever noticed reverse DNS entries being much slower than forward DNS 
lookups, that's the bug).

   -Scott
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Re: [IMail Forum] thank you, thank you, Verisign!! and BIND9 Verisign-rape patch

[Gary Brumm]

I just received this from JH Soft who make the DNS servers software we 
use.  We scrapped the
BIND servers for their product called Simple DNS Plus and all of our DNS 
problems went
away.  It's been two years now without a single problem.  Anyhow here is 
what they had
to say about the Verisign issue:

During the last 24 hours, we have received a lot of emails from Simple DNS
Plus users about a new Site Finder Service just launched by VeriSign. Most
of them requesting a new feature in Simple DNS Plus to neutralize this.
What VeriSign has done is add *.com and *.net DNS wildcard records on
all the top-level DNS servers.
These wildcard records point to a search engine type website operated by
VeriSign themselves.
We assume that the intention is that any web-browser request for an
un-registered domain name under .com and .net will be directed to this
VeriSign website.
However, as of this writing the VeriSign Site Finder site is not
responding, and the result for most users is that any web-request for a
un-registered .com or .net domain name just takes forever to timeout in
the browser.
Some have suggested that this might be because they got a lot more traffic
than expected, and so in effect they initiated a big DDOS attack on
themselves.
For more information about this new VeriSign service and some of the
problems it has caused, please see
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/16/0034210mode=threadtid=126tid=95tid=98tid=99
We are currently in the final stages of beta testing the next version 3.50
of Simple DNS Plus.
For more information about the new version and to download the beta, please
see http://www.jhsoft.com/beta350.htm
However because of all these user requests, we have now re-opened the
program code and added a new option to deal with this.
The sdnsplus.ini file will have a new setting VSSiteFinder=ip-address.
Any DNS response with an IP address listed in this setting will be converted
back into a name does not exist (NXDomain) response as it was before.
The default is VSSiteFinder=64.94.110.11.
If VeriSign starts using other IP addresses for this, those can be added to
this setting.
If you do not wish to use this feature (you want to use the VeriSign Site
Finder service) make sure to make this setting empty (VSSiteFinder=).
To try the updated Simple DNS Plus version 3.50 beta 3 with this new
feature:
- Make sure you have 3.50 beta 3 installed - available for download at
http://www.jhsoft.com/beta350.htm
- Then download http://www.jhsoft.com/outbox/vssf/sdnsmain.exe to the Simple
DNS Plus directory (replacing the original).
Please let us know if you have any questions or comments.

Sincerely,
JH Software
http://www.jhsoft.com


At 02:13 PM 9/17/2003, you wrote:

To make things worse, if you attempt to open an smtp connection to the helo
host to verify they are at least a real mail server, you get a valid
response.
try telneting to port 25 of any bogus .com or .net - you will see...

220 snubby1-wceast Snubby Mail Rejector Daemon v1.3 ready

this is a real bummer :)
We have an interim release that takes care of this problem, so that 
MAILFROM test will indeed fail on these bogus domains.  Also, if you use 
anti-spam software that allows for RHSBL tests, you can set up a test 
named VERISCAM that uses the zone . and a lookup IP of 64.94.110.11 
(VERISCAM rhsbl . 64.94.110.11 10 0 in Declude JunkMail).

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Re: [IMail Forum] Task Display

[Gary Brumm]

I have the same problem.  The tasks displayed for the first month then when 
the month changed the tasks disappeared.
If I change the date back to that first month the tasks reappear.  Has 
anyone got a fix for this?

Thanks,

Gary

At 09:01 AM 7/25/2003, you wrote:
I am having a problem displaying tasks - none show up! Users can add a 
task, but there is not confirmation that the task was added, nor does it 
show up in the list of tasks.

Anyone know of a solution or things I should check for? I just upgraded to 
version 8 with the hotfix, although this was happening before that 
upgrade. We also use Classic WebMail Templates version 4.

Thanks.

Prasad

Devaprasad Kantharaj
MIS Director, TVCCA




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Re: [IMail Forum] OT: Temporary Router Ideas

[Gary Brumm]

Travis,
I have a couple spare 2500 series Ciscos in my Stockton colo if 
that would help.
You can contact me directly if that would help.  I will be in North Shore 
Tahoe in a couple
weeks and could pick it back up then.

Gary Brumm

At 10:41 PM 7/14/2003, you wrote:
Hello All,
  I am in the process of changing from one collo to another.  While I have
new servers for our new project, I have not purchased a new router because
once the new web servers go up, we can use the existing Cisco 2621 that is
presently in the collo we are moving from.
  What can I use in the meantime that is Cisco-esque?  All of these damn
NetGear, LinkSys, D-Link routers are really just NAT boxes.  I need a real
router.  Once that does not due NAT, but actaully routes packets destined
for different public Ips in a /28 subnet.  I would prefer to not spend any
money, but I have come to the conclusion that it may be a foregone
conclusion, so the less money spent the better.  Can one rent routers for
two weeks?  I have never heard of such a thing.  I am looking for something
within the next day or so and I am in the Sacramento/Tahoe area.  Any help
or ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in Advance,

---
Travis W. Rabe
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