RE: [IMail Forum] Virus Sober

2005-12-02 Thread William Van Hefner
Kim,

I don't usually bother reporting blowback from big ISPs like AOL. They are
big enough and have enough resources so that they should already know
better. They just choose to be stupid, for whatever reason. I mostly report
blowback from corporate servers, schools and small, private companies whose
admins will actually see a copy of the SpamCop report, and might actually
take the time to fix the problem.

I've found that most blowback is generated by servers that either use some
sort of gateway scanner or have been sitting in place for a long time
without anyone bothering to update their configuration in several years. You
will see a lot of these servers wind-up on Spamhaus. If their volume gets to
be big enough to be a serious threat to the internet community, you will see
them listed at http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/latest.lasso . 


William Van Hefner
Network Administrator
Vantek Communications, Inc.
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of FastWave
 Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 10:03 PM
 To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
 Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Virus Sober
 
 
 Such bogus reports from admins are referred to in mail admin 
 circles as 
 blowback. I report all antivirus blowback to SpamCop as 
 spam (which 
 it is).
 
 
 'blowback'...didn't know that term. Thanks for explaining the 
 jargon! And, we agree that spam should not be 'bounced'.
 
 Just curious...
 
 We get a lot of 'blowback' in our administration accounts 
 (hostmaster, postmaster, spam, etc.) due to dictionary 
 attacks made on big ISPs like Yahoo, HotMail, and AOL. Do you 
 report them to SpamCop? We just delete the 'blowback' 
 messages, and chalk it up to naive administrators.
 
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RE: [IMail Forum] Virus Sober

2005-12-01 Thread Todd Richards
 
I just checked my definitions and found they were up to date.  Good.

However, I'm wondering how others who use the Symantec AV deal with this
setting.  Do you bounce the infected message back to the sender, which
sometimes results in another message to me saying that person doesn't exist
(in cases where the message was spoofed)?  Or do you delete the infected
message?

Todd


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Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Virus Sober

Make sure your Symantec virus def's are up to date. It should go out and
check by itself on a regular basis, but if not, then go here:
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/download/pages/US-N95.html

Download the latest update and run it.

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buy mxguard and fprot so you can use clam and fprot that will catch the 
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Pasquale Viscione - Dial S.p.A. wrote:

Hi, my Imail and my symantec carrier scan server did not catch virus 
sober. What can I do?

Regards

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RE: [IMail Forum] Virus Sober

2005-12-01 Thread Christopher Checca
Just delete ... why waste your bandwidth.

Christopher Checca
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I just checked my definitions and found they were up to date.  Good.

However, I'm wondering how others who use the Symantec AV deal with this
setting.  Do you bounce the infected message back to the sender, which
sometimes results in another message to me saying that person doesn't exist
(in cases where the message was spoofed)?  Or do you delete the infected
message?

Todd


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Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 12:53 PM
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Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Virus Sober

Make sure your Symantec virus def's are up to date. It should go out and
check by itself on a regular basis, but if not, then go here:
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/download/pages/US-N95.html

Download the latest update and run it.

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Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Virus Sober


buy mxguard and fprot so you can use clam and fprot that will catch the 
virus.

Pasquale Viscione - Dial S.p.A. wrote:

Hi, my Imail and my symantec carrier scan server did not catch virus 
sober. What can I do?

Regards

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RE: [IMail Forum] Virus Sober

2005-12-01 Thread John T \(Lists\)
NEVER EVER EVER NEVER NEVER EVER bounce.

Think about it.

That is absolutely stupid.

Viruses laden e-mails are automatically generated by the virus and have no
legit purpose what so ever. So, even if the from address was not forged,
there is still absolutely no ryme or reason to send it back where it came
from.

Oh, and Sober is a known forging, in which case you are then technicly
spamming and spreading the virus your self.

John T
eServices For You

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:IMail_Forum-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Richards
 Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 6:07 AM
 To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
 Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Virus Sober
 
 
 I just checked my definitions and found they were up to date.  Good.
 
 However, I'm wondering how others who use the Symantec AV deal with this
 setting.  Do you bounce the infected message back to the sender, which
 sometimes results in another message to me saying that person doesn't
exist
 (in cases where the message was spoofed)?  Or do you delete the infected
 message?
 
 Todd
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason O'Bara
 Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 12:53 PM
 To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
 Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Virus Sober
 
 Make sure your Symantec virus def's are up to date. It should go out and
 check by itself on a regular basis, but if not, then go here:
 http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/download/pages/US-N95.html
 
 Download the latest update and run it.
 
 -Original Message-
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Hosting
 Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 1:02 PM
 To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
 Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Virus Sober
 
 
 buy mxguard and fprot so you can use clam and fprot that will catch the
 virus.
 
 Pasquale Viscione - Dial S.p.A. wrote:
 
 Hi, my Imail and my symantec carrier scan server did not catch virus
 sober. What can I do?
 
 Regards
 
 Pasquale.
 
 
 
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Re: [IMail Forum] Virus Sober

2005-12-01 Thread Matrosity Hosting




we delete the messages.

Todd Richards wrote:

   
I just checked my definitions and found they were up to date.  Good.

However, I'm wondering how others who use the Symantec AV deal with this
setting.  Do you bounce the infected message back to the sender, which
sometimes results in another message to me saying that person doesn't exist
(in cases where the message was spoofed)?  Or do you delete the infected
message?

Todd


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Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 12:53 PM
To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Virus Sober

Make sure your Symantec virus def's are up to date. It should go out and
check by itself on a regular basis, but if not, then go here:
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/download/pages/US-N95.html

Download the latest update and run it.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 1:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Virus Sober


buy mxguard and fprot so you can use clam and fprot that will catch the 
virus.

Pasquale Viscione - Dial S.p.A. wrote:

  
  
Hi, my Imail and my symantec carrier scan server did not catch virus 
sober. What can I do?

Regards

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RE: [IMail Forum] Virus Sober

2005-12-01 Thread William Van Hefner
John is absolutely right. IMHO, it is irresponsible for any company that
makes mail software for Windows to even give this option, short of a
registry hack. Such bogus reports from admins are referred to in mail admin
circles as blowback. I report all antivirus blowback to SpamCop as spam
(which it is). There are a growing number of servers being blacklisted
because their admins are irresponsibly bouncing virus reports to my users,
many of whom will get all paranoid and call ME thinking that their computer
or e-mail address has been compromised!

I have spent several hours over the past two weeks having to write rules
that block these bogus reports from making it to my users. There is
absolutely no legitimate reason for these to ever be sent. I am actually
REJECTING these notifications at the envelope using Postfix. No sense
using up my iMail resources for this kind of garbage.


William Van Hefner
Network Administrator
Vantek Communications, Inc.
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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 John T (Lists)
 Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:54 AM
 To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
 Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Virus Sober
 
 
 NEVER EVER EVER NEVER NEVER EVER bounce.
 
 Think about it.
 
 That is absolutely stupid.
 
 Viruses laden e-mails are automatically generated by the 
 virus and have no legit purpose what so ever. So, even if the 
 from address was not forged, there is still absolutely no 
 ryme or reason to send it back where it came from.
 
 Oh, and Sober is a known forging, in which case you are then 
 technicly spamming and spreading the virus your self.
 
 John T
 eServices For You
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:IMail_Forum- 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Richards
  Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 6:07 AM
  To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
  Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Virus Sober
  
  
  I just checked my definitions and found they were up to date.  Good.
  
  However, I'm wondering how others who use the Symantec AV deal with 
  this setting.  Do you bounce the infected message back to 
 the sender, 
  which sometimes results in another message to me saying that person 
  doesn't
 exist
  (in cases where the message was spoofed)?  Or do you delete the 
  infected message?
  
  Todd
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 Jason O'Bara
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 12:53 PM
  To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
  Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Virus Sober
  
  Make sure your Symantec virus def's are up to date. It 
 should go out 
  and check by itself on a regular basis, but if not, then go here: 
  http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/download/pages/US-N95.html
  
  Download the latest update and run it.
  
  -Original Message-
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 Hosting
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 1:02 PM
  To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
  Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Virus Sober
  
  
  buy mxguard and fprot so you can use clam and fprot that will catch 
  the virus.
  
  Pasquale Viscione - Dial S.p.A. wrote:
  
  Hi, my Imail and my symantec carrier scan server did not 
 catch virus 
  sober. What can I do?
  
  Regards
  
  Pasquale.
  
  
  
  
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RE: [IMail Forum] Virus Sober

2005-12-01 Thread Jason O'Bara
I would delete infected messages, not bounce. Are you sure the antivirus is
even running? If you open a web browser and go to http://X.X.X.X:8004  with
the X' being IP of your server. This is the web interface for the Symantec
engine. There is a lot of information listed here. Check it out.

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Hi Todd,
I have checked my definitions today but virus sober don't catch by
antivirus. My settings are bounce and pass the file by the name. To
block this virus, I set the delivery rules by object of the messages, but
this object often change. I don't know what can I do to solve this problems.

Pasquale. 

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Oggetto: RE: [IMail Forum] Virus Sober

 
I just checked my definitions and found they were up to date.  Good.

However, I'm wondering how others who use the Symantec AV deal with this
setting.  Do you bounce the infected message back to the sender, which
sometimes results in another message to me saying that person doesn't exist
(in cases where the message was spoofed)? Or do you delete the infected
message?

Todd


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Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 12:53 PM
To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Virus Sober

Make sure your Symantec virus def's are up to date. It should go out and
check by itself on a regular basis, but if not, then go
here: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/download/pages/US-N95.html

Download the latest update and run it.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 1:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Virus Sober


buy mxguard and fprot so you can use clam and fprot that will catch the
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Pasquale Viscione - Dial S.p.A. wrote:

Hi, my Imail and my symantec carrier scan server did not catch virus
sober. What can I do?

Regards

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RE: [IMail Forum] Virus Sober

2005-12-01 Thread FastWave
Such bogus reports from admins are referred to in mail admin
circles as blowback. I report all antivirus blowback to SpamCop as spam
(which it is).


'blowback'...didn't know that term. Thanks for explaining the jargon! And, we 
agree that spam should not be 'bounced'.

Just curious...

We get a lot of 'blowback' in our administration accounts (hostmaster, 
postmaster, spam, etc.) due to dictionary attacks made on big ISPs like Yahoo, 
HotMail, and AOL. Do you report them to SpamCop? We just delete the 'blowback' 
messages, and chalk it up to naive administrators.

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Re: [IMail Forum] Virus Sober

2005-11-30 Thread Matrosity Hosting
buy mxguard and fprot so you can use clam and fprot that will catch the 
virus.


Pasquale Viscione - Dial S.p.A. wrote:


Hi, my Imail and my symantec carrier scan server did not catch virus sober.
What can I do?

Regards

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RE: [IMail Forum] Virus Sober

2005-11-30 Thread Jason O'Bara
Make sure your Symantec virus def's are up to date. It should go out and
check by itself on a regular basis, but if not, then go here:
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/download/pages/US-N95.html

Download the latest update and run it.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 1:02 PM
To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Virus Sober


buy mxguard and fprot so you can use clam and fprot that will catch the 
virus.

Pasquale Viscione - Dial S.p.A. wrote:

Hi, my Imail and my symantec carrier scan server did not catch virus 
sober. What can I do?

Regards

Pasquale.



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